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Speaker 1: Brought to you by the all new Toyota Corolla. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to you stuff you should know from house stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey and happy Halloween, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. Go do what you're about to do,

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Speaker 1: Chuckers and Jerry. Jerry's saying, uh, you put the three

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Speaker 1: of us together, me Josh Clark, there Chuck Bryant, and

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Speaker 1: there Jarry. And you've got stuff you know, the Halloween edition.

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Speaker 1: We got a big old tub of candy corn here

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Speaker 1: we got have you have you tried Starburst candy corn?

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Speaker 1: My goodness, I don't like candy corn and I like

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Speaker 1: Star Wars candy corn? Is it Starburster? Is it candy corn?

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Speaker 1: It's candy corn with star Warst flavors, but not Starburst texture.

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Speaker 1: No candy corn texture. Okay, some mad scientists threw it

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Speaker 1: all together. Interesting. Yeah, I'll try it. You got one?

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Speaker 1: I have a warm one in my pockets, been in

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Speaker 1: there for a few days. Perfect. Here you go, soften

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Speaker 1: it up there, that's delicious. Make a chewing Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: straw strawberry and lin. Yeah, it's exactly right. Chuck. Uh. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So we've got candy corn. It's a Halloween edition, and

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Speaker 1: we hope you enjoyed our Halloween episode, our story. That's

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Speaker 1: probably that's probably my favorite thing of the year that

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Speaker 1: in Christmas episode, we're gonna get cracking on the Christmas extravaganza. Yeah, work,

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Speaker 1: running out of stories, I'd probably and I got one

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Speaker 1: up my sleeve. I got an idea. Yeah, yeah, otherwise

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Speaker 1: we can just make stuff up. Yeah, you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then everything worked out okay because it was Christmas

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Speaker 1: the end, Chuck. Yes, have you ever heard of the

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Speaker 1: Winchester Mystery House? I have, Indeed, I have to, thank God,

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Speaker 1: because that'd be a surprise. If I was completely unprepared,

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Speaker 1: it would be I would be surprised. I can tell

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Speaker 1: you that. Uh yeah, I've heard of it. I've never

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Speaker 1: been there, but I would like to go for sure

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Speaker 1: and check it out. I might. I might do that

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Speaker 1: next time I'm in the Bay area, I might venture

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Speaker 1: towards San Jose to check this thing out. Yes, well,

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Speaker 1: I've already cleared it with you me that we're going

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Speaker 1: next time we're in the San Francisco area. Great, how

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Speaker 1: far always San Jose from San Francisco, I don't close, right,

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Speaker 1: Do you know the way to San Jose. I do

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Speaker 1: not know the way to San Jose apparently, um, but

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Speaker 1: if I could find my way there, we would find

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Speaker 1: the Winchester Mystery House, because apparently it sticks out like

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Speaker 1: a sore thumb. Um. It was originally in some pretty

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Speaker 1: rural area, and over time, the the acreage a hundred

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Speaker 1: and sixty two acres is what the Winchester House grounds

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Speaker 1: eventually covered, has been whittled away and now it's just

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Speaker 1: like the suburbs with this enormous Victorian mansion situated in

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Speaker 1: the middle of it. Yeah. And when we say enormous,

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Speaker 1: we mean enormous um supposedly about a hundred in sixty rooms.

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Speaker 1: Even though and I think this is part of building

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Speaker 1: up the lore, some say they cannot be counted because

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Speaker 1: you will get lost in the house and never get

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Speaker 1: an accurate count and never escaped. I say that's hoke

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Speaker 1: hokem because hey, if you can put a man on

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Speaker 1: the moon, you can count the rooms in a house. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And what do you suggest using a post it note?

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Speaker 1: Just put a post it note up and yeah, you

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Speaker 1: don't even need to write that. And that's the very

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Speaker 1: presence of a post it note indicates you're you've been

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Speaker 1: there before, and counter all the post it notes right.

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Speaker 1: You could just you could write the numbers on them.

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Speaker 1: Even better, you wouldn't even have to count them. You

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Speaker 1: comes after that on the next post it note, right,

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Speaker 1: and you know what we should do. It would be

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Speaker 1: funny if we did a little video series where you

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Speaker 1: and I a big smart guys, tried to do this

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Speaker 1: and we kept getting confused. I would watch that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: out from there. Alright, So what we're talking about, well,

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Speaker 1: let's clue those of you who don't know what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about in we're talking about the Winchester Mystery House,

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Speaker 1: which was, as Chuck said, an enormous mansion of an

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Speaker 1: indeterminate number of rooms. I think they estimate a hundred

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Speaker 1: and the result of a four ft tennant little uh

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Speaker 1: was known as the Repeater, the repeating rifle, which is

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Speaker 1: the coolest rifle ever. The Lone Ranger head one did

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Speaker 1: the gun that won the West, and it was the

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Speaker 1: gun that helped the Northern troops defeat the Southern troops

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Speaker 1: So she marries William Winchester, heir to that fortune. Uh.

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Speaker 1: tragically lost their lone daughter, Annie in infancy, and it

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Speaker 1: was something that Sarah never recovered from. Basically, No, it

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Speaker 1: then she died of a wasting disease called mora asthmus,

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Speaker 1: my sanity forever, and I'll never be quite the same again.

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Speaker 1: For our Dying podcast, we mentioned life expectancy and we

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Speaker 1: like they live now. But the infanmortality rate was so

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Speaker 1: not like everyone's dying in their forties. They were dying

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Speaker 1: catch your name or anything. I don't know. Uh so

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Speaker 1: So anyway, she goes and sees Lady Adam, and he said,

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Speaker 1: um Mr Winchester. Right here, William. The Winchester family supposedly

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Speaker 1: And there's two different interpretations here, and they're not quite

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Speaker 1: Hanson was in fact or foreman. Uh even though Ms

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Speaker 1: Mrs Winchester was her own architect, So hold on. So

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Speaker 1: Mrs Winchester, um, who's just really slightly off a rocker

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Speaker 1: before we left, UM, I sort of hinted that she

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Speaker 1: And if you saw her without a vail, no hard feelings,

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, So it wasn't just crazy weird steps that

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Speaker 1: because they discovered that she died in her bed sleeping

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Speaker 1: ino and um. Right afterwards, she left up everything to

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Speaker 1: I think, the only one who was allowed to see

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Speaker 1: without a veil, came in and was like, let's just

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Speaker 1: auction this stuff off, and um, it took six weeks

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Speaker 1: the interior. Yeah, and some really valuable things too that

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Speaker 1: like you know, furniture and furnishings, just sitting and wait. Basically,

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Speaker 1: didn't you say that there's a wine seller that's lost. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think they can't find the wine seller to this day,

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Speaker 1: which also sounds a little like lower to me. It does.

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Speaker 1: Why can't you find the wine seller? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's lost. Uh. It is a popular tourist attraction today

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Speaker 1: and um still being renovated and maintained. Apparently it's continually

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Speaker 1: being painted. The exterior is all year long. They finished

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Speaker 1: sixty five days to complete the job. I would imagine. So,

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Speaker 1: and it's been a tourist attracting almost since she died.

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Speaker 1: Like the house was sold to a group of investors

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Speaker 1: who wanted to it as a tourist attraction UM for

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Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty five thousand dollars, even though she

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Speaker 1: dropped five point five million into it. UM and again like,

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Speaker 1: if you're interested in this, you can go check out

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Speaker 1: the Winchester Mystery House in San Jose. UM. They have

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Speaker 1: a website. I just imagine you type in Winchester Mystery House,

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Speaker 1: but also look up UM something called Mrs Winchester's House.

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Speaker 1: It's a documentary from nine kpi X I think is

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Speaker 1: a San Francisco television station. It's narrated by Lilian Gish.

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Speaker 1: It's just a half hour long, but it's really spooky

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Speaker 1: and black and white and just interesting. It's a neat one,

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Speaker 1: very cool. Yeah, check that out, all right, So we're going, okay,

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Speaker 1: let's go before that though, Chuck Um, if everybody wants

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Speaker 1: to read this article, you can type in Winchester mystery

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Speaker 1: House in the search bar at how stuff works dot

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Speaker 1: com and we'll bring this up. And I said search bar,

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Speaker 1: So that means it's time for a listener mail. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this a sexuality call back. I just

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Speaker 1: listen to your A sexual podcast. Guys, found it very interesting.

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Speaker 1: One thing really caught my attention. You said a sexuals

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Speaker 1: were classified there's a separate group outside the range of

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Speaker 1: homosexual to heterosexual. I think it could be different. So

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Speaker 1: Paul is proposing an idea here, instead of the range

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Speaker 1: being in number line with a subgroup that doesn't fit,

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Speaker 1: it should be more like a coordinate plane. Not all

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Speaker 1: people are equally sexual. I'm sure you know people who

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Speaker 1: don't really think about sex often, and then people who

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Speaker 1: it dominates a large portion of their lives. That made

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Speaker 1: me think that it could be a coordinate plane with

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Speaker 1: homo and hetero on the left and right, and a

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Speaker 1: sexual too extremely sexual. I want to say nymphomaniacal even

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Speaker 1: but I feel like nymphomania is more complicated than a

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Speaker 1: born sexuality, or at least we don't know enough about it.

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Speaker 1: To say whether it is. Yeah, so what is describing

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Speaker 1: as like a plus sign? Yes, the sexual orientation on

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Speaker 1: left and right, and then the intensity of your sexuality

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Speaker 1: going up and down exactly, so you can have uh,

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Speaker 1: high homosexuality, low heterosexuality, and so on exactly. It's a

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Speaker 1: good idea. I've actually seen that elsewhere to coordinate plane.

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Speaker 1: It just makes sense. He says, that way all the

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Speaker 1: people could be accurately plotted. It's to some degree at least,

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Speaker 1: not saying it would count for everything perfectly, but I

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Speaker 1: think it would clarified a bit more. Anyways, I'd love

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Speaker 1: to know your thoughts on that idea. You just got them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: has it been done before or have you read about that?

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Speaker 1: I have not. I do not know. I saw in

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Speaker 1: a paper somewhere somebody proposing that similar thing that it's

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Speaker 1: um who was it the the sex study yer Kinsey

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Speaker 1: Kin Yeah that he Yeah, Um, they really kind of

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Speaker 1: missed a really obvious aspect of intensity rather than just orientation.

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Speaker 1: It just stuck the orientation dummy. It's a good idea.

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Speaker 1: I agree. So Paul of Uniontown p a ah, we

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Speaker 1: we think it's a swell Get to work on it.

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Speaker 1: Go Paul if you can call it the Paul Paul's

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Speaker 1: sexual plane. Paul's a one sexual plane and a girl. Yeah, uh,

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Speaker 1: that's good. Thank you, Paul, Thank you for that. And

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Speaker 1: if you like, Paul has some great thoughts ideas on

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Speaker 1: things that we've talked about, more expansive ideas. UM, we

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Speaker 1: want to hear them because we like that kind of stuff.

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