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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dunton, Aren, I'm not done, Zaren Burnette.

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Speaker 3: You left out the third.

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Speaker 1: Yea and the Walter.

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Speaker 3: And the sir and the esquire, Elizabe Dutton. I got

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Speaker 3: a question for you, mcgaro. Do you know it's ridiculous? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I do, I do.

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Speaker 3: I was really just counting on you not knowing.

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Speaker 2: I know, and then you just get to run with it. No, nobody,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw a wrench in this. You know what

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Speaker 2: a mocha pot is?

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Speaker 3: Is that where you pour that stuff in your.

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Speaker 2: No, that's a that's a netty pot. Now, this is

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Speaker 2: an Italian coffee pot. Don't know what it is, but

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Speaker 2: it's sort of like got a decagon shaped to it,

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Speaker 2: and it has a chamber in the bottom of it

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Speaker 2: and that's where you put the water, and then it

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Speaker 2: has a basket for the grounds and then up top

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Speaker 2: like the heat draws the water up through through.

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Speaker 1: Steam coffee that way. You know, you've seen them.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's a silver silver, yeah, and so it's

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Speaker 2: a big deal. There's like two hundred million of them

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Speaker 2: have been made. Are you getting nervous? No, you should

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Speaker 2: not back. So this thing, this thing was invented by

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Speaker 2: Luigi di Ponti in Italy in the thirties, and then

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Speaker 2: the patents were purchased by Alfonso Biletti, and Alfonso had

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Speaker 2: a boy, Renato, and in the mid forties, Renato took

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Speaker 2: over the company and he just marketed the heck out

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Speaker 2: of these and that's why they become like this standard

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Speaker 2: bearer for you can make an almost espresso like coffee.

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Speaker 1: It's very rich, robust, is like Ilio.

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Speaker 3: Is that the brand that makes stuff for.

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Speaker 1: This kind of like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is like if you see it, you'll

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Speaker 2: know it anyway. So Renato Biletti he passed away at

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Speaker 2: the age of ninety three in twenty sixteen. I know,

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Speaker 2: and his children, he has three kids. They had him

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Speaker 2: cremated and his cremaines were put into a giant Mocha pot.

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Speaker 3: Oh nice. See this is like the Pringles guy he was.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he was buried inside a large urn shaped like

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Speaker 2: his stove top coffee maker.

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's a little bit ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: It is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: This comes to us.

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Speaker 2: This is not only an international story because it's from Italy,

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Speaker 2: but it was given to us by Helga in Germany.

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Speaker 3: Ah, Donka Helga, So.

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Speaker 2: I yes, Donka to you? Don Ka Shane Darling, Donky Shane.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember Cecil Parking fall? You toy your dress?

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Speaker 1: What a mess?

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Speaker 3: I confess anyway, that is a good one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it is.

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Speaker 3: That's why I said it got a hell a ridiculous

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Speaker 3: one for you. Hit me for more than forty years.

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Speaker 3: The Central Intelligence Agency aka the Agency, aka the company

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Speaker 3: aka the CIA. They and their spies, they tried to

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Speaker 3: kill the same man six hundred and thirty four.

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Speaker 1: Times, six hundred and thirty four.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And this man he was just like you know,

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Speaker 3: he was a one time baseball pitching prospect.

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Speaker 1: Like Jason Bourne. Huh Jason Bourne.

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Speaker 3: No, No, he was a real person. But do you

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Speaker 3: see his path diverge. Isn't a real person, not totally

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Speaker 3: a real person. He's real to you. Yeah, so that

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Speaker 3: counts well. This guy, he's real, like to everybody, right

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Speaker 3: and he uh he as I told you, a baseball

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Speaker 3: he becomes a revolutionary and you would know him as

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Speaker 3: Fidel Castro. Y know, Elizabeth, I know you're worried, like, wait,

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Speaker 3: six hundred and thirty four murder attempts. Yeah, that sounds

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Speaker 3: like we're going to just smash through our like one

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Speaker 3: percent murder. Well, spoiler alert, the CIA never successfully assassinated

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Speaker 3: Fidel Castro. Amazing, but boy, how did did they try?

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Speaker 3: This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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Speaker 3: Heiss and cons it's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 3: and one hundred percent ridiculous. Elizabeth Sarin, the former head

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Speaker 3: of the Cuban Intelligence. This dude was named Fabian Escalante.

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Speaker 3: He stepped out of the shadows where spies exist and

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Speaker 3: he publicly claimed that the Yankees tried to kill Fidell

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Speaker 3: six hundred and thirty four times.

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Speaker 1: The baseball team, not the.

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Speaker 3: Baseball team from New York, No, the Yankees as in.

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Speaker 1: US Americans, the Yanks, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, the Yankees. So this cat Escalante, he had the

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Speaker 3: He knows where the bodies are buried right now, being

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Speaker 3: the former head of Cuban intelligence, he broke down how

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Speaker 3: all of the attempts went by president for forty years.

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Speaker 3: He lists them out for you so very quickly. Dwight D.

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Speaker 3: Eisenhower kicks it off in nineteen fifty nine. He took

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Speaker 3: thirty eight attempts. John F. Kennedy he followed him. He

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Speaker 3: took forty two attempts. LDJ took seventy two attempts. They're

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Speaker 3: ramping up by the time we get to Nixon. Nixon

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Speaker 3: goes for a record one hundred and eighty four attempts.

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Speaker 3: Jimmy Carter clocks in. It's sixty four attempts. Record is

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Speaker 3: broken by Reagan with one hundred and ninety seven attempts.

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Speaker 3: On Castro's life, Dan George H. W. Bush keeps it

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Speaker 3: solid with a nice little conservative sixteen, and then Bill

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Speaker 3: Clinton ends the era with twenty one of his own.

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Speaker 1: This is like fifty ways to leave your lover.

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Speaker 3: Right exactly, Bill Clinton trying to kill Castro. I'm like,

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Speaker 3: my dude, seriously, the Cold War is over. What's the

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Speaker 3: point here? Are you just trying to get in on

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Speaker 3: that JFK energy? Yes, Like, look my obsession it runs

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Speaker 3: that deep. I want to be like the kid. So anyway, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: you may be thinking Zarin, of course, the head of

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Speaker 3: the Cuban version of the CIA would say some nonsense

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Speaker 1: That's exactly what I was thinking.

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Speaker 3: Six hundred and thirty four attempts that can't be true.

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Speaker 3: That must be revolutionary propaganda, isn't it. Zaren great questions, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Normally I would agree with you normally, but

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Speaker 3: this is totally the propaganda. But we don't have to

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Speaker 3: believe Escalante, not in this case. Do you know why

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Speaker 3: because we have the Church Committee and its Senate hearings.

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Speaker 3: Huh yeah, do you know the Church Committee is familiar with.

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Speaker 3: The Church Committee is a big marquee Congressional investigation in

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Speaker 3: the nineteen seventies. It was famous for pulling back the

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Speaker 3: veil on countless crimes committed by the CIA. Now, most

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Speaker 3: of them were overseas, some of them were domestic. They

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Speaker 3: But anyway, we don't have to take the Cuban's word

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Speaker 3: originally was. Now, this is a CIA document that records

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Speaker 3: the agency's countless attempts to kill Castro, and I quote.

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Speaker 3: This reconstruction of agency involvement in plans to assassinate Fidel

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Speaker 3: extremes insitivity of the operations being discussed or attempted. As

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Speaker 3: planning or approvals or of implementation. So they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we kept it. Hush hush, right, hush hush. Now, despite

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Speaker 3: this apparent difficulty with the with you know, basically documenting

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Speaker 3: their investigation, they still were able to produce one hundred

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Speaker 3: and forty three page report documenting all the ways they

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, and how many was it?

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Speaker 3: Six? Six hundred and thirty four?

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Speaker 1: Huh so they're doing a couple per page?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah. It was like the script from Airplane. It

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Speaker 3: is just joke after joke every like was it one

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Speaker 3: Starting back in nineteen seventy three, the Senate Watergate Committee investigation.

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Speaker 3: It starts looking into these rumors of the Watergate break

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Speaker 3: ins and what Nixon was eventually going to be impeached for. Now,

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Speaker 3: nations leaders and our spies had been conducting these clan

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Speaker 3: The next year, in nineteen seventy four, Seymour Hirsch, this journalist,

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Speaker 3: investigative journalist, he goes and writes a story for the

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Speaker 3: New York Times and expose that reveals that the CIA

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Speaker 3: has been spying on Americans. Back then, this was shocking

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Speaker 3: But at that time, congressional investigations get launched. It's a

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Speaker 3: big deal, Elizabeth, I'm telling you. The next year, nineteen

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Speaker 3: seventy five, it gets nicknamed the Year of Intelligence. This

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Speaker 3: is due to hold the investigations into the CIA, the FBI,

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Speaker 3: the NSA, even the irs gets dragged in. Right now,

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Speaker 3: this all comes under the Church Committee, led by Idaho

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Speaker 3: Democratic Senator Frank Church. Now that's the name exactly. Now,

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Speaker 3: his committee was the real deal, serious, like I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: hundred and twenty six full committee meetings, that's not normal,

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Speaker 3: forty subcommittee hearings, eight hundred witnesses, eleven sorry, one hundred

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Speaker 3: April seventy six, the committee publishes its report. Now, most

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Speaker 3: of these times we've seen these reports, they're always big.

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Speaker 3: but this one was a door buster. It just went

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Speaker 3: Committee hearings declared that dating back to FDR and continuing

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Speaker 3: right on through the early seventies, there had been one

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Speaker 3: endless program of spying and destabilization of democracies, both at

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Speaker 3: just pretty much any anti democratic effort they could, and

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Speaker 3: it wasn't just tricky Dick Nixon. So the Church Committee

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Speaker 3: then reveals like all sorts of stuff that people we

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Speaker 3: the Church Committee hearings. That's the CIA's mind control program

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Speaker 3: where they basically took a bunch of involuntary you know, volunteers,

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Speaker 3: how do we mind control people with like drugs and like,

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Speaker 3: you know, psychic abuse. Then they went on they did

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Speaker 3: co Intel pro That was the FBI's program. That was

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Speaker 3: Jaegar Hoover's little pet project to hold black people down

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Speaker 3: and pretty much any other social justice campaign. So he

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Speaker 3: had agents infiltrating the like the Panthers and all these

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Speaker 3: and drugs and bad cop busts or whatever. Right. Then

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Speaker 3: there was the CIA's program, This is the one I

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Speaker 3: wanted to tell you about, which is family Jewels.

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Speaker 1: Family Jewels, that's what they called it.

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Speaker 3: Family Jewels, like kick them in the So this cute

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Speaker 3: little name was the CIA's nickname for their decades long

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Speaker 3: program to assassinate foreign leaders leaders leaders multiple So the

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Speaker 3: Church Committee, they published a sub report. One of the

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Speaker 3: forty was called the Alleged Assassination Plots Involving Foreign Leaders.

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Speaker 3: It outlines the CIA's attempts to kill No Dn Diem

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Speaker 3: of South Vietnam, Patrese La Mumba of Zaire, Rafael Trujillo

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Speaker 3: bearded one, Fidel Castro. So if you'd like to read more,

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Speaker 3: then you could check out CIA Covert Operations two, The

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Speaker 3: Year of Intelligence in nineteen seventy five. Book. It's a book.

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Speaker 3: It's a huge book printed by the CIA.

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Speaker 1: As a movie.

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Speaker 3: I know, like what it like electric boogaloo?

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Speaker 3: you can go to the National Archives of Elizabeth. I

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Speaker 3: It sounds like I'm guaranteeing you that. So all right,

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Speaker 3: Dwight D. Eisenhower, Ike, Yeah, that's where it starts, right,

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Speaker 3: So Nixon is like, no, now look here, Fiddel, we

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Speaker 3: All about the castra. Right. Meanwhile, you got Richard Nixon

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Speaker 3: So what's their answer, Elizabeth, Let's give him acid. So

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Speaker 3: the CIA's LSD distribution program in Cuba. At the beginning

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Speaker 3: Basically, that was their whole idea. They're like, if we

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Speaker 1: It was wholesome. Pantsing is a wholesome activity.

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Speaker 3: Got right? They're like, oh, we got this new stuff fallium.

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Speaker 3: They're like the wiley eye wiley coyote of Assassin.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I think he got the job just because of his name.

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Speaker 3: Q has a box of Fidel's favorite cigars, and what

431
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 3: does he do with them? Well, he decides, with the

432
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,639
Speaker 3: help from the CIA's chemist, what's the best poison to

433
00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 3: put into this?

434
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 2: All?

435
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 3: Right, So they decide shellfish poison, that's the one. Wait, yeah,

436
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 3: they're like shellfish poison, that'll get them, right. But there's

437
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 3: a problemgic, it's just one of the strongest poison. It's

438
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 3: like like blowfish poisons, like one of the strongest poisons. Right,

439
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 3: So they're like this, this will work for Castro. Right,

440
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,639
Speaker 3: there's a problem with it because Castro would have had

441
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 3: to have been sucking on the cigar like it was

442
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,120
Speaker 3: a McDonald's shake just to get enough of that poison

443
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 3: into him. So the CIA moved on to a poison

444
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 3: that would be a little simpler, just so they could

445
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 3: transfer over the skin really easily. And that one was botox, well,

446
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,880
Speaker 3: not actually botox, it was the active ingredientlinus toxin. Yeah,

447
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 3: so Teddy Gun his boys at the chem lab, quote,

448
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 3: they did contaminate a full box of fifty cigars with

449
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 3: botulinus toxin, a virulent poison that produces a fatal illness

450
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 3: some hours after ingestion. So now the kem lab has

451
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 3: doused the cigars, so that quote, the cigars were so

452
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 3: heavily contaminated that merely putting one in the mouth would

453
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 3: do the job. The intended victim would not actually have

454
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 3: to smoke it. So now they're like, no flame necessary,

455
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 3: kill stick, right, so they're all excited. Teddy Gun he

456
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 3: takes his poison cigars, hands them over to the director

457
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 3: of the CIA, who then puts them in a safe

458
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 3: and forgets all about them.

459
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 1: What I thought he was gonna be likeny pop one

460
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: in his mouth.

461
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, right, So he took him home and

462
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 3: his children got into him. No, nothing like that, Teddy Gun.

463
00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 3: He he goes off, you know, and working on other projects. Meanwhile,

464
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 3: the Kennedy years and the Nixon years, they go through

465
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 3: different phases of how are we going to kill Castro? So,

466
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 3: like in nineteen sixty three, the CIA entered what I'm

467
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 3: calling it's underwater assassination period. So that's like Picasso's blue period. Yeah,

468
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 3: so this was when the agency tried to create an

469
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:21,920
Speaker 3: exploding seashell. Yeah. So the CIA so comical, exactly those

470
00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 3: ridiculous stuff. Ever, the CIA knew that Castro loved to

471
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: go scuba diving, so they're like, we can kill him there.

472
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 3: So they're like, what do we do? So some spies

473
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 3: were like, what if we made a seashell that's secretly

474
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 3: a bomb?

475
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

476
00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 3: Some people were like, oh, I love that man. So

477
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 3: they decided they'll hide an exploding seashell in the sea

478
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,199
Speaker 3: just where Fidel will find it. But not just anywhere.

479
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 3: It has to be somewhere that Fidel's scuba dives. So

480
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 3: the first they've got to like watchhere Fidel scuba dives,

481
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 3: or they're just like following Fidel for a while. They decide, okay,

482
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 3: we know the place where he's going to be. So

483
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 3: they just tried, how are we going to place it.

484
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 3: This is when they run into a problem. Quote. The

485
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 3: scheme was soon found to be impracticable. None of the

486
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 3: shells that might conceivably be found in the Caribbean area

487
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,360
Speaker 3: was both spec tacular enough to be sure to attract

488
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 3: Castro's attention and large enough to hold the needed volume

489
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,479
Speaker 3: of explosives.

490
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: Just like the big round bomb with the it's like

491
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: you see a scallop with the.

492
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 3: Fuse, it's actually burning underwater. So they can't find a

493
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 3: seashell sexy enough for Castro, So they're like, what are

494
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 3: we going to do? Oh? I forgot. There was also

495
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 3: a midget submarine that they had developed, and that was

496
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 3: how they were going to place the exploding seashell. But

497
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 3: the ca is a little midget sub It was basically

498
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 3: like a leash of keys. It just didn't have the

499
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,239
Speaker 3: range right it had. It needed too much fuel to

500
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 3: be able to make the trips. So they're like, oh,

501
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 3: this isn't going to work.

502
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: So and the director's kids smoking cigars the piloting exactly.

503
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 3: If they've been road testing it forever.

504
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: It's like they just get like a really lovely shell

505
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 2: from like the South Pacific and just put it out there.

506
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, then he'd think what where did this come from?

507
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 1: And then you're obviously going to go.

508
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 3: I should So the CIA, without your help, they move

509
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 3: on to poisoned wetsuits, and they're like, this is will

510
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 3: we need is a lethal suit. So they started developing

511
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 3: this This mind you is at this point where after

512
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 3: the post Bay of Pigs, Right, so the Kennedy brothers,

513
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 3: Bobby and JFK they have had had their plan to

514
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 3: invade Cuba fail, and they're now taking a few months

515
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 3: off to rethink their plans, so they don't try to

516
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,199
Speaker 3: kill a castro for a couple months, and then they

517
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 3: get right back to it. Yeah, so like we got

518
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 3: to get back on our old energy. So they're like, okay,

519
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,400
Speaker 3: what are we gonna do. They go to this guy,

520
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 3: James Donovan. He's a lawyer who that the US has

521
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 3: in charge of negotiating with Cuba for the release of

522
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 3: the prisoners from Bay of Pigs, from the whole fiasco.

523
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 3: So the CIA is like they approached this guy and

524
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 3: they're like, came in, you're the prisoner exchange Lary. He's

525
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 3: like yeah, I'm going down and he's like, you're gonna

526
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 3: talk to Fidel and all that. He's like, yeah, yeah.

527
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 3: They're like, care would you give him a poisoned wetsuit

528
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 3: as a gift And he's like what now? From the

529
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 3: Secret Eyes Only file, I quote, the technique involved dusting

530
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: the inside of the suit with a fungus that would

531
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 3: produce a disabling and chronic skin disease madua foot and

532
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 3: contaminating the breathing apparatus with tuberculo basillai. So the poisoned

533
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 3: wetsuit was brilliant. They're like, this is it. We finally

534
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 3: got it right, and it's really bad. Exactly. The skin's

535
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 3: gonna get all itch. He's gonna be terrible. So they decide, okay,

536
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 3: let's go to do this. But this plan also goes nowhere.

537
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: Why Elizabeth, you're the one telling the story. The lawyer's

538
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: too smart for him, Donovan, he refuses to do wet

539
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 3: work for the CIA. He's like no. He finds out

540
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: exactly they're whole planned to give for Fidel, and he's like, Okay,

541
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: I know I'm gonna do. He gives Fidel a non

542
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: poisonous sweatsuit of his own, so that would be suspicious

543
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 3: if he gives him a second websuita darn it. He

544
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 3: out bought us prisoner exchange lawyer one CIA zero. So

545
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 3: after all these early failed attempts to SEEIA moved on

546
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 3: to its most effective assassination campaign. And do you know

547
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 3: what that one was? They asked Fidel's mistress to kill Castro.

548
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 3: Oh right, finally they get their like their brains together,

549
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 3: like somebody's actually gonna be close to him, right sometimes

550
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 3: right next to him. So twenty sixteen, Vanity Fair, they

551
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 3: sat down with this woman. Her name is Marita Lorenz,

552
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 3: and she was with Elslilmer, Lover and Homegirl. Laid out

553
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 3: just whopper of a story, right, I'm telling you, Like

554
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 3: most of it seems to be true. Some of it is,

555
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 3: like are you surreal? But it doesn't matter. You know,

556
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 3: who cares whether it's fact or fiction. We know most

557
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: of this is true because it shows up in a

558
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 3: CIA file. So for the rest of it, who knows

559
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: who cares. But according to Marita Lorenz, she was just

560
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 3: minding her own business, being young and German and fabulous.

561
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 3: It's just this self possessed woman of wealth and family connections, right,

562
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 3: She's out in the big wild world all by herself.

563
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 3: She's there in Miami and she meets this man named Eduardo.

564
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 3: Right now, she says, this man, he's an a memorable man, right. So,

565
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 3: he always wore white suits. He had the air of money.

566
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 3: He was very quiet and elegant. From her guests, he

567
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: was the money man for this clandestine operation that was

568
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 3: going on that she only knew the veguest outlines of right,

569
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 3: But much later on she would recognize this man and

570
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 3: and his white suits when he was constantly on television.

571
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 3: About a decade later during the Watergate hearings, this man

572
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 3: was e. Howard Hunt of the Watergate break infat Oh,

573
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 3: so how did the inside man for Nick Sin's bungle

574
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 3: get chummy with Fidel's Castro's lover? Right? Well, it's a

575
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: small world, Elizabeth, and when you're rich and powerful, it's

576
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,239
Speaker 3: even smaller. So Howard Hunt was chummy with the head

577
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 3: of the CIA, Alan Dallies. And the common link between Dallas,

578
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 3: Hunt and Marita was a man named Frank Sturgis. Now

579
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 3: he would also become later known and famous as one

580
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: of Nixon's plumbers, one of the break in men for Watergates. So,

581
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: this early pre Watergate team is getting the band together

582
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,719
Speaker 3: before they make it big. And prior to all this,

583
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: prior to meeting Marita, Sturgis had worked for the mafia.

584
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 3: He was their man in Cuba. He was the He

585
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: worked for the Mayor Lansky outfit. So he was big

586
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 3: in the casino business under Battista. And he's like, you

587
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 3: know this, he's basically like hanging with Cuba's tourist population. Yeah,

588
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 3: fleecing them. Nobody cares, right, not nobody in Cuba because

589
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,440
Speaker 3: they're all like, oh, we're all exploiting everybody. It's a party.

590
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 3: Water's great. So Sturgis, he can smell this change in

591
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 3: the winds, right, So what does he do In nineteen

592
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: fifty seven, He gets close with Comandante Fedel and he

593
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: starts running guns to the island through his organized crime contexts,

594
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: and then that puts him in go with Fidel. So

595
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 3: this is just in time for the Cuban Revolution to occur,

596
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 3: and now he's on the right side of history.

597
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: So he's running guns that are going to toss out

598
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: the casinos that were his lifelood.

599
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 3: Well, he didn't really see it as that way because

600
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 3: nobody understood what Fiddel was going to do it In

601
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: the early years because he didn't really come off as

602
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 3: a communist early. He was just a revolutionary working against imperialism.

603
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 3: He was an anti imperialist more so than a communist

604
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 3: at first. So the mafia was fine working with him, right,

605
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 3: They were like, oh, maybe he'll give us a better

606
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 3: deal than Batista. Then he did about so Castro ap

607
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: points Sturgis the head of the casino industry in Cuba,

608
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: So this is like early on. So then he eventually

609
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: sturg just gets made the head of the Air Force

610
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 3: intelligence for Cuba. Really, yeah, Fidel's going whole hog on this.

611
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, mafia run everything. I don't care. It

612
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: turns out though Sturgis was secretly a CIA spy.

613
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he is.

614
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 3: Sturg just told Vandy fair quote, I was a double agent.

615
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: I was recruited by the CAIA in nineteen fifty eight

616
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 3: and stayed in Havana until June thirty, at nineteen fifty nine.

617
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 3: So he's like running at like, yeah, past this, the

618
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: six months past a successful revolutions boom, because it was

619
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 3: a what do you call it? New Year's Day nineteen

620
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: fifty nine when the revolution basically wins. So he's there

621
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: till June thirtieth of that same year. But in that

622
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: time he meets Marita, whose family had interests in Cuba,

623
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: so he gets charmed by her. She's this, you know,

624
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: bon Vivan, successful, wealthy, beautiful young woman. Surgis does the

625
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: next logical thing. He introduces her to his buddy, this

626
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: notorious ladies man, Fidel Castro. The two hit it off.

627
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 3: They start this tempestuous love affair. Later a CIA assassination attempt.

628
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 3: So on November eighteenth, nineteen sixty three, Marita gets a

629
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: call from Sturgis. He wants her to come meet him

630
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: at a hotel in Miami. She assumes this is more

631
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 3: of his gun running business, which she's familiar with, so

632
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: she agrees to come along. This is where she meets

633
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: future JFK assassin Lee Harvey Oswald.

634
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: Oh you're kidding, yes.

635
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: Marina recalled it. The group of gun runners and conspirators

636
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: took three cars. They drive from Miami to Dallas. She

637
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: rides with Sturgis and another car was Lee Harvey Oswald.

638
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: The caravan stops at some shabby little motel in Dallas.

639
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 3: The group gets two adjoining rooms. Marina told Vanity fair quote,

640
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: I thought we were going to hit an armory like

641
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: we were here to do in operation. I thought they

642
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: were going to use me as a decoy, That's what

643
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: I was told. Star just brings in the bag with

644
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: disguises and another bag with automatic weapons and starts clipping

645
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 3: them together. It seemed different this time because of the

646
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,719
Speaker 3: instructions Frank give. Nobody can make phone calls, no brods,

647
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 3: no booze, no contacts with the outside. So while they

648
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: are in this crummy little hotel room putting together of

649
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 3: their guns, Marita she sees Oswald for the first time.

650
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 3: Now before this, this is obviously before he's going to

651
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: get famous. She has no idea who he is, so

652
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 3: she just happens to stick in her memory because of

653
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 3: how memorable he is. She said, quote, this guy comes

654
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: into the room. He's like a little mob punk. Hey,

655
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 3: a short, balding guy with a cocky hat, heavy set,

656
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 3: with a cleft on his chin. Elizabeth, you'd later know

657
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: this guy is Jack Ruby. Let me tell you. Apparently

658
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: he Jack Ruby was a charmer because he took two

659
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 3: steps inside, saw me lounging and said, who's that broad?

660
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: I said, you'll punk. So they don't hit it off

661
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 3: right now, she wants to leave the shabby motel. I

662
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: was furious. Hell he spoke to me. I had been

663
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: sitting in crowded car. I have PMS. I said this, Frank,

664
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 3: I'm going home. Give me some plane fare. So he's busy.

665
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 3: Frank sturge is busy trying to keep Jack Ruby happy.

666
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 3: And because they're not too far from where Marita is

667
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: standing in the motel parking lot waiting to go to

668
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 3: the airport or wherever, sturgees is leaning on the trunk

669
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 3: of a car, talking in low tones to Jack Ruby.

670
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: At this point, Jack Ruby leaves in a huff. Right,

671
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: who shows up? E Howard Hunt. She claims he gives

672
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 3: Surgis money and then he went and he spoke with

673
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 3: another guy at the motel, Lee Harvey Oswald. Oh my god,

674
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: the door was opened between the two rooms. Oswald was

675
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: sitting in the other room with the other guys on

676
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: the bed, just casually sitting there waiting for instructions. That

677
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 3: was the last time I saw him, that is until

678
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: a few days later when his face was all over

679
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: the news. Right anyway, That's how Rita explains how she

680
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: met E. Howard Hunt and he connected her with the

681
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: CIA and set her up to kill Castro. Oh my god,

682
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: So do you want to take a little break and

683
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: then I'll tell you to kill Castro? Yes? All right, Elizabeth,

684
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: we're back. Yes, how was that role call of nineteen sixties?

685
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: Names?

686
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: Right? I mean? And by the way, this is like

687
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 3: the the JFK assassination. There's a trove of documents that

688
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 3: the CIA had and they released under President Trump, and

689
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: so I pulled for a lot of this from these documents.

690
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: This is all CIA stuff except for what her quotes.

691
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 3: Those are the only things that are not from the CIA.

692
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 3: So back to the story. Let's see how Marita Lorenz

693
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: decides to kill Castro. Yes, okay, So now that they say,

694
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 3: have their amateur assassin to see, handed Marita Lorenz some

695
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 3: poison pills that they had developed to kill Castro. Right,

696
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 3: so she says, the agency also gave her these confidence pills,

697
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 3: which she called gut pills.

698
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: They gave her confidence pill.

699
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently there's like some speed pills, like she said,

700
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 3: and I quote, it's some kind of the CIA gives

701
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 3: you that makes you feel very strong and courageous, indifferent

702
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 3: like speed. With her two handfuls of the pills, she

703
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 3: goes down to Cuba, and but she doesn't know if

704
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 3: she can kill her world famous lover yet she's like

705
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: on the fence about can I don't know. So well,

706
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: that's not exactly true. She knew almost immediately that she

707
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: couldn't do it. She was hoping that she could. That

708
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: was really how I guess the best way to put it.

709
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 3: So she says, and I quote, I knew the men

710
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: that I saw the outline of Havannah. I couldn't do it.

711
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: I hopped in the jeep and went to the Hilton,

712
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 3: just simply walked in, said hi to the personnel at

713
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: the desk, and went upstairs to the suite room too

714
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: far to zero eight. I went in and waited. So

715
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: now she's waiting to kill Castro in the Aana Hilton

716
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty three.

717
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: Say oh yeah, so it just gonna be like chaos city.

718
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, globally.

719
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

720
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: So she's there waiting for Fidell, sent by the CIA

721
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 3: to kill him. Fidel thinks she's there to love him

722
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: up right, because last time they saw each other it

723
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: was passionate awesomeness. Right, So Marita she waits and she waits,

724
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: and she has no one feels going to get there.

725
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 3: Finally Fidel arrives. Right, his first question is he wants

726
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 3: to know why she was so quick to leave the

727
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 3: last time he saw her. Oh, so it's like a

728
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 3: whole romance novel for Fidel. Right. So meanwhile, Marita and

729
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 3: I returned to her quotes. I tried to play it cool.

730
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: The most nervous I have ever been was in that

731
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 3: room because I had agents on standby and had to

732
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: watch my timing. I had enough hours to stay with him.

733
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: Ordre Emil killed him and prevent him from making a

734
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 3: speech that night, which was already pre announced. That's her plan,

735
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 3: so Neil kill him, ditch speech exactly. There's one problem

736
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: she she can't do it. She can't kill him. She

737
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: just loves them. She loves Fidel. Right. He was very

738
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 3: tired and wanted to sleep. He was chewing a cigar

739
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: and he laid down on his bed and did you

740
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 3: come here to kill me? Just like that? He says, Oh, God,

741
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: Fidel knows she's the assassin, so he knows why she

742
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: came back to Q. But it wasn't to love him up.

743
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 3: It was to lug him down right right into the ground.

744
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: So he knows the CIA center. So what is Marie

745
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 3: to do? Well, what is the best? She says. I

746
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: was standing at the edge of the bed. I said

747
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: I wanted to see you, and he said that's good.

748
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: That's good. Then he leaned over, pulled out his forty

749
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 3: five and handed it to me. Fidel hands her. Is gone, right,

750
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 3: Fidel's like the Steve McQueen of world leaders. Right. It's

751
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 3: just too cool for school. But so is Marina because

752
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 3: she cocks the handgun Fidel handed her. I flipped the

753
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 3: chamber out and hit it back. He didn't even flinch,

754
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: and he said, you can't kill me. Nobody can kill me,

755
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 3: and he kind of smiled and chewed on his cigar.

756
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 3: So there it is. This is the closest the CIA

757
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: has gotten to actually killing Fidel, and Fidel's mocking the

758
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 3: assassin to their face. But the assassin, she loves the target,

759
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: So even with gun in her hand, she still can't

760
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 3: do it. She's like, I felt deflated. He was so

761
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: sure of me. He just grabbed me. We made love.

762
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 3: I contemplated staying to start talking to him later after

763
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: his speech, but it would be too late because he

764
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 3: rambles on for like eight ten twelve hours. That was

765
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: the hardest part. I wanted him to beg me to stay,

766
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: but he got dressed and left and I just sat

767
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 3: there by myself a while. I left him, not I

768
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: told him I would be back. She doesn't actually go back,

769
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 3: but anyway, she doesn't kill him the next time she

770
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 3: sees him. Right at this point, Elizabeth, we're somewhere now

771
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 3: the high four to five hundred range of attempts on

772
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: his life, and none of them have worked. Right, And

773
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: this is as closest we've gotten. Gun in hand. Assassin

774
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: in a room with him still fails because Fidel like

775
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: loves up the assassin.

776
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: Confidence pills just pumping through her body.

777
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: Exactly speed love. So anyway, who can the CIA turn to?

778
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: Now entered La Cosa Nostra aka the American Mafia, the

779
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 3: Old School Mob. So this plot dated back to JFK,

780
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 3: Bobby Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs. But after they

781
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 3: were embarrassed on the world stage, Kennedy brothers wanted Castro

782
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 3: taken out and they were willing to work with the

783
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: Mob to make their dark dream come true. They're like

784
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 3: embarrass us with the Bay of Pigs. We're taking them out.

785
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: So According to the CIA files quote under five nine

786
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: sixty two, Kennedy discussed with the director a number of matters,

787
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: including admissioned by CIA that Robert Mayhew had been hired

788
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: by the agency to approach sam g and Conna to

789
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: have Castro assassinated at a cost of one hundred and

790
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars. So the mob boss, the CIA approached

791
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 3: sam Gy and Conna. He was the head of the

792
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 3: Chicago family huge, right. He was also Sinatra's guy. Sam

793
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: Giacana was the guy that daddy Joseph Kennedy, the old

794
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 3: school Irish bootleg mobster. He reached out to sam g

795
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: and Connie. He's like, look, I need you to help

796
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 3: me secure my son's a nineteen sixty presidential election. Right,

797
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: because he was at the time, John Kennedy was not

798
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: the presumptive favorite. He was a young senator. He was

799
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: the dark horse, if you will, right, But his daddy

800
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: was a mobster. So he's like, look, so he approaches

801
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: sam g and Conny. He's like, look, I need to

802
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 3: win the West Virginia primary. So Samji and conn is like, okay,

803
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: we can make that happen. And according to everybody in

804
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 3: the know, Frank Sina true was the go between between

805
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 3: San Giancanna and Joe Kennedy who made this happen. He

806
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 3: puts together the Democratic nomination by having to get a

807
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 3: victory in the West Virginia primary. Sinatra gets the favor

808
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 3: from Sam Giancana. So what did the Kennedy brothers do

809
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: now that they get the White House? They returned the

810
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 3: favor by initiating reco investigations on the mob out of

811
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: boom So. Anyway, but Ciangi and Coana wasn't the only

812
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 3: mob boss the Ceia worked with. They also had Santo

813
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: Trafficante from the family which was big yes in Atlantic City, Philadelphia.

814
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 3: And also he was the head of the Miami Cuba family,

815
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: so he helpfully spoke Spanish. That was good. He also

816
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: wanted to control of the Cuban casinos back, so that

817
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 3: was his move, and he wanted to get rid of

818
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: the communists. He was a virulent anti communist. Third man

819
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 3: on this job was la mob fixer who was busy

820
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 3: working the Hollywood unions against the studio bosses. A dude

821
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 3: named handsome Johnny Rosselli.

822
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: Oh johnnysell Roselli you know now.

823
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 3: He would later become the Chicago's mob guy in Vegas

824
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: and Gi and Con and Johnny Rosselli went way back.

825
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 3: They actually started out together with al Capone's outfit, so

826
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 3: they had been like deep in the gangster world, right,

827
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: So they'd also worked together in Cuba and they put

828
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: the casinos, and they'd worked in Vegas and so now

829
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 3: they were working the White House together. So, by the way,

830
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: this plan for the CIA and the Mob to team up,

831
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 3: it kind of predated Kennedy. It had started with Eisenhower

832
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: and in September nineteen sixty the plan becomes real. This

833
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 3: is before Kennedy is elected, so it's definitely pre dates Kennedy.

834
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: But the agency had used a CIA cutout to contact

835
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: the mob. This guy was the Robert Mayhew, who was

836
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: also a fixer for Howard Hughes. So when he wasn't

837
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: doing errands for the CIA, that's what he worked for.

838
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 3: So this cat Mayhew, he reaches out to Sam G

839
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 3: and Kanna and Handsome Johnny. Like I said, small world, right,

840
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 3: once you were so powerful, it's like still a very

841
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 3: small roll. The decks epently, So Howard hues this fixer.

842
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: He reaches out to Sam G and Kana handsome Johnny.

843
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 3: He goes, hey, I'll give you guys one hundred and

844
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars to kill Castro. By the way, that's

845
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 3: CIA money, so that's guaranteed. And they're like, okay, okay.

846
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: The gangsters consider their offer. They're like you know what, No,

847
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: and they're like, what do you mean No. He's like, no, no,

848
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: we'll do but we'll do it for free. I'm like yeah,

849
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 3: because the mob would. They want to consider it a favor,

850
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: because it's like, you know, someday, and that day may

851
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: never come. I may come to you, the US government

852
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 3: and ask you for a favor. So of course the

853
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 3: worst thing that can happen happens. What's the worst thing

854
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 3: can happen? J Edgar Hoover finds out about the CIA's

855
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 3: deal with the mob. All right, No, because the CIA

856
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 3: is plotting with the mob, and the FBI just happens

857
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 3: to stumble upon it. They aren't aware, nobody tips them off.

858
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: But here the best way for me to tell you this, Elizabeth,

859
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: picture it. Yeah, please close your.

860
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: Eyes, yes and picture it.

861
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 3: Yes. It's nineteen sixty one. You are a maid working

862
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 3: the Sands Casino in Las Vegas. You've left behind your

863
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 3: previous life as a dog groomer to the Hollywood stars.

864
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 3: It was getting to be a bore. Not the dogs,

865
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 3: the stars. So now you're laying low, working as a

866
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: maid as you plot your next move. You're pushing your

867
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: cart down a long and quiet hallway. The lush casino

868
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 3: carpeting swirls and flourishes beneath your feet. You gaze into

869
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 3: its ornate patterns of color. It splashes overwrought design. Is

870
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 3: your feet rhythmically plod along the wheels. They also have

871
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: their own rhythm. You plan to start at the end

872
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 3: of the hallway. You reach the corner room. You're well practiced.

873
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: Hand opens the hotel room door without even a jingle

874
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: from your pass key. You push open the door with

875
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 3: your backside and you back into the hotel room. But

876
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 3: you hear voices, oh, you freeze. You spin around. The

877
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 3: room is not empty. You see three guys in flashy

878
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: shark skin suits. One is seated, Two other guys are

879
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 3: standing behind him like sentries, kind of flanking him. The

880
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: guy in the sharkskin suit is talking with two other

881
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: men in gray flannel suits, which is odd choice for

882
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: Vegas since of the weather but whatever. The guys in

883
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 3: the gray flannel suits they look like complete squares. The

884
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 3: others look like mobsters. The guy in the sharkskin suit,

885
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: he doesn't see you at first, so he keeps talking.

886
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 3: Look simple, it's real simple. You bug Dan Rowan's room.

887
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: You see, I just want to know if he's getting

888
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: handsy with that dame from the Maguia sists phyllis. It's

889
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 3: a little small favor from mister Ginkhana. So the guy

890
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: in the sharkskin suit stops talking. He turns to see you.

891
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: And what the others are all looking at? Which is you?

892
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 3: So now everyone is staring at you and no one

893
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,720
Speaker 3: is speaking. You're all just staring at each other. Clearly

894
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 3: you were not supposed to be in this room, Elizabe

895
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: I would say, you quickly apologize to everybody in the room.

896
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 3: You spin around and you screw it out of the room.

897
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 3: You push your maker through the doorway and quickly follow it.

898
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 3: The hotel door closes behind you. You're out. You're free.

899
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: Oops eazy, you say to yourself, and then you decide

900
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: to go start in the other room across the hall again.

901
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: You open the door, you push it open. You know

902
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: this room is empty because you saw the vacancy on

903
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 3: the room charts. So you push open the door and boom.

904
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 3: Two guys in short sleeve button down shirts are sitting there.

905
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 3: Both guys wearing ties like idiots, you know, like that

906
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 3: desert business casual. So they freeze in place like the

907
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 3: last room. I'm telling you, they're wearing headphones. They're shocked.

908
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: They stare back at you from their little eavesdropping field station.

909
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: You don't say a word, neither do they. You slowly

910
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: back out of the room as if you were never there,

911
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 3: and the door shuts behind you. This time, you decide

912
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: you'll start at the other end of the hallway. Elizabeth,

913
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: you've just been witnessed to the FBI listening in on

914
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 3: the mobsters as they convinced the CIA to do a

915
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 3: favor for Chicago mob boss to see if his side

916
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 3: piece was, in turn having an affair with her own

917
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 3: the guy from Martin and Rowans laugh in what so

918
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: Sam Jean kind of thought that Phyllis McGuire from the

919
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 3: McGuire sisters having an affair with Dan Rowan from laughing, and

920
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 3: so he asked the CIA, hey, bug that guy's room

921
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 3: in Vegas, say and they did it, and you, yes, exactly,

922
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 3: this is a favor. They may have to come to

923
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: you one day for So when the FB guys find

924
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: out that they've been surveilling CIA guys working with the Mob,

925
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: they are giddy as a schoolgirl and they go running

926
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:29,359
Speaker 3: DEAFBI director Jaygar Hoover now he's super geek to get

927
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 3: the CIA operatives on charges of collaborating with the Mob.

928
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 3: This will embarrass everybody. He loves it. CIA is like, wait, wait, wait, look,

929
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 3: we're guilty with an explanation. So, in the CIA's own

930
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: words from an internal memo, we know, quote, can we

931
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 3: plausibly deny that we plotted with gangster elements to assassinate Castro? No,

932
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: we cannot. So they're just like, we have no possible

933
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 3: deniability and we're gonna have to go with our old

934
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 3: school why so, the CIA was also like, look, chill,

935
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 3: Jay Hagger, can we talk just agency to agency? We

936
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 3: need Sam g and Conn and Handsome Johnny. They're the

937
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: ones who are helping us to kill Castro and Jaeger

938
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: Hoover's like, oh, killing commies. Why didn't you say you're

939
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: speaking my lad? Carry on? So Attorney General Bobby Kennedy, though,

940
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 3: finds out from a memo from a Giddy, I have

941
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 3: a secret Jaegger Hoover, right, so he goes. When Bobby

942
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 3: finds us out, he's pissed because now he's gonna make

943
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 3: the Kennedy brothers look bad. And they barely got in

944
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: the White House. They had to work with the Mob

945
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 3: to get there, so they're worried that this is going

946
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 3: to make them look bad. So what does he do.

947
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: He's furious, right, but at the same time he's like,

948
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 3: but still a good idea. You guys keep doing that,

949
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 3: So he gives his blessing to the idea he's super

950
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 3: mad about. Right. In fact, some like Richard Helms, who

951
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 3: was later the ambassador to Iran, but prior to that

952
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 3: was the director of the CIA. He said and testified

953
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 3: to the Church Committee that quote, the principal driving force

954
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 3: was the Attorney General Robert Kennedy. There isn't any question

955
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 3: about this. Oh wow, So it was Bobby Kennedy's mission.

956
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 3: So my favorite part about this super team up between

957
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 3: Mob and g men is how both groups wanted to

958
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 3: be like the other. So the they fantasized about the

959
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 3: Mob guys. They are talking about how they would kill Castro.

960
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: They wanted the Mafia to have a bunch of hitman

961
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: roll up with like Tommy guns and gun down Castro

962
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 3: in the street. Yeah, they wanted like the Saint Valentine's

963
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: past for Castro. Meanwhile, the Mafia, they're like, hey, we

964
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 3: want some of them James Bond super spy gadget. So

965
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: we wanted to give them to our assassins, so like,

966
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 3: come in there to see I was like, Oh, we

967
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 3: don't really do that, that's just the movies, guys. So

968
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 3: finally their plan comes together. They actually have a legit idea.

969
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: The Mob found the perfect man to do their wet work.

970
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 3: Who is it? Inside man high level Cuban bureaucrat re

971
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 3: enter Teddy gunn Cia s Q. He's like, what do

972
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 3: you guys need? So the Mob told them we want

973
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 3: a super spy assassination pen. So he's like, okay, superspy

974
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: assassination pen coming up. So he starts working on a

975
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: James Bond number four of them. Right, he rushes the

976
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: order because the assassin's gonna leave soon, so he has

977
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 3: to make this poison pen overnight. Oh wow, So he

978
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 3: stays up all night. Luca Brayton his butt buns off

979
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 3: trying to make this pen. He secrets a hypodermic needle

980
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 3: into a pen and just like the mobsters, it suggested

981
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 3: that maybe like a needle in, there was poison in

982
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 3: it was hid in the neck. He's like, perfect, I

983
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 3: got it. So they sent He sends over James Bond

984
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 3: kill pen over the CIA. They rushed to the airport.

985
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 3: They meet the diplomat at the airport, he gets the

986
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 3: assassination kit just before he boards his flight to Paris.

987
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 3: Hours later, he lands in Charles de Gaull Airport. Maybe

988
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: it was orally, doesn't really matter. Anyway, He's on his

989
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: way to Cuba. He meets someone at the airport, his

990
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: point man. Together they make fun of the poison pen

991
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 3: that the CIA gave him, and I quote from the CIA.

992
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: Hector Sanchez arrived in Paris on the morning of November

993
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 3: twenty second and met with the flipped Cuban bureaucrat Cubela

994
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 3: late that afternoon. Sanchez states that he showed the pen

995
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 3: syringe to Kubela and explained how it worked. Sanchez distinctly

996
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 3: recalls the Kubela didn't think much of the device. Also,

997
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 3: the CIA didn't include any poison in their poison pen.

998
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 3: He would be assassin was expected to source his own poison.

999
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: They did give him a recommendation, though quick Kubela was

1000
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: expected to supply his own and we merely suggested black

1001
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: leaf forty as an effective poison for use in the syringe.

1002
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 3: So it's just like, go find some black leave forty.

1003
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 3: So anyway, fate plays a hand because quote as they

1004
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 3: were coming out of the meeting, Sanchez and Coubela were

1005
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 3: informed that President Kennedy had been assassinated. Kubela was visibly

1006
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: moved over the news. Why do such things happen to

1007
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 3: good people? He asked, So there is our one percent

1008
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: in this story, President Kennedy. He gets assassinated. And perhaps

1009
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 3: the greatest irony of this is that many of the

1010
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 3: men who conspired to kill Castro met violent ends. JFK,

1011
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: Bobby Kennedy, sam Gy and Kanna and Johnny Rosselli all

1012
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: caught about it.

1013
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: So this the syringe was happening around the same time

1014
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: that the missive they.

1015
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 3: Were having multiple attempts. They weren't deserving one attempt, like

1016
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 3: they were basically both headed there at the same time.

1017
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 3: And then it just happened to be that Kennedy got killed,

1018
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 3: and that takes and then Castro goes out and makes

1019
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: a bunch of speeches basically ragging on the Americans for

1020
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: not seeing that coming. Surprisingly, also there is interesting stuff

1021
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: in the in the Kennedy stuff about possibly Castro's agents

1022
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 3: flipped the Kennedy assassins that were sent to kill Castro

1023
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 3: and he sent them back to kill Kennedy. There's a

1024
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 3: whole thing there, but we need to have more documents

1025
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 3: come out for confirmation on that, but it seems to

1026
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: be that there was people who flipped the other way. Anyway, Surprisingly,

1027
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 3: after the Church Committee's explosive report, there were new laws

1028
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: that prohibited the assassination of foreign leader. Reagan even signed

1029
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 3: one right. US presidents, though, still continue to try kill

1030
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 3: with Castro, even President Carter, which I surprised me because

1031
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: you know, he's kind of like the piece nick peanut

1032
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 3: farmer guy. But still he was out there. He's like, well,

1033
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 3: I'm not banging hammers into homes for humanity. I'm got

1034
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 3: there trying to kill Castro. Anyway, according to the former

1035
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 3: head of the Cuban intelligence called Jimmy, Carter clocked in

1036
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 3: his sixty four attempts, so that was big. Next Reagan,

1037
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 3: he broke the record one hundred and ninety seven attempts.

1038
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 3: We went over that, George Bush and Bill Clinton sixteen

1039
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 3: to twenty one respectively. And then Clinton. You know, he

1040
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 3: had the CAA go back to some of their greatest hits.

1041
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 3: He's like, can I get on that Kennedy energy. So

1042
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: he had them try to put pull an exploding podium

1043
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 3: move yeah, He's like yeah, So of course it failed, right.

1044
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 3: The British paper The Guardian reported quote as recentably as

1045
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 3: two thousand, when Castro was due to visit Panama, a

1046
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 3: plot was hatched to put two hundred pounds of high

1047
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 3: explosives under the podium where he was due to speak.

1048
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 3: Castro's personal security team carried out their own checks before

1049
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 3: he arrived and foiled the plot.

1050
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: Just because the podium had acme yes, exactly, it.

1051
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 3: Just like literally the drums or the but he got

1052
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 3: sticks of dynamite all bound together under the podium with

1053
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 3: the clock ticking and just like anyway. Finally, at the

1054
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 3: ripe old age of ninety, having outlived most all of

1055
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 3: his contemporaries except for Kissinger, many of the men who

1056
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 3: plotted to kill him. Castro finally kicked the bucket on

1057
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 3: November twenty fifth, twenty sixteen. And I can tell you

1058
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 3: one hundred percent with certainty that Cia had absolutely nothing

1059
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 3: to do with it. And how do I know this,

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Speaker 3: Elizabeth hum because Castro died. So what's our ridiculous takeaway?

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Speaker 2: My ridiculous takeaway is that if you think you're going

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Speaker 2: to be clever, you're too clever, yes a half yeah.

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Speaker 3: And Wiley Kai is a terrible sassiny model.

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Speaker 1: Bad role model.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks for listening. You would always find us online

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Speaker 3: at Ridiculous Crime dot com. That's our website, or you

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Speaker 3: can find us on Twitter. Can you find us on Instagram?

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Speaker 3: You can find us on the streets of Oakland at fast,

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Speaker 3: but you can also email us at Ridiculous Crime at

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Speaker 3: gmail dot com. Thanks for listening. Ridiculous Crime is hosted

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Speaker 3: by Elizabeth Dutton and Zarain Burnett, produced and edited by

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Speaker 3: Our Man and Havannah Dave Kustin, researches by Marissa the

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Speaker 3: Librarian Brown and Andrea the Professor. Song Sharpened Tear, our

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Speaker 3: theme song is by Thomas the Norseman Lee and Handsome

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Speaker 3: Travis Dutton Executive produces our Ben Dwight Eisenhower tried to

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Speaker 3: warn us Bowlin and Noel Scheckers Brown.

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Speaker 1: Ridic say it one more time. Ridiculous crime is aroduction

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