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Speaker 1: Hello everyone. You're about to hear an episode that we

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Speaker 1: more live shows that we have coming up in January.

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Speaker 1: Starting with January twenty two, we will be in San

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Speaker 1: we're covering the movie This Social Network. And then January

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Speaker 1: at the Bellhouse and we will be covering Black Swan.

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Speaker 1: And finally on January will be in Philadelphia at Good

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Speaker 1: Good Comedy Theater and we will be covering The sixth Cents.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of dark and eerie movies on this

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Speaker 1: little tour. More details and ticket links are on our

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Speaker 1: for all the information you need. The other thing we

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Speaker 1: live show, we talked for so long about the movie

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Speaker 1: The Santa Clause that we decided to split this episode

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Speaker 1: up into two parts. So this is part one that

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Speaker 1: part one of the Santa Claus On the beck Del Cast.

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Speaker 1: The questions asked if movies have women? And um? Are

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Speaker 1: all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? Do they have individualism?

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Speaker 1: Del Cast. Hi, welcome to the Beckiel Cast. Oh, we're

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Speaker 1: so excited. So we're we're in Denver, Colorado. Ever heard

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Speaker 1: coming out to night man. My name is Jamie Lofton,

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Speaker 1: host of the bettel Cast, the show you're currently at.

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Speaker 1: Did you know, by round of applause, who listens to

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Speaker 1: our show? Oh? And now for a moment of tension,

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Speaker 1: who among you does not listen to the bettel Cast?

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Speaker 1: No judgment. Brave, brave, brave, brave, brave, each and every

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Speaker 1: one of you, not allies? Okay, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Hates women? Wow? Incredibly you all hate women? Okay? Um, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: thank you for coming. We we hope to convert you.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna what is that move? A clockwork? Orange where

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Speaker 1: you just know, that's kind of what this experience will

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Speaker 1: be like. Yeah, uh so if you don't know, we

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Speaker 1: talk about the representation of women in fees. We use

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel test as a jumping off point to initiate

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Speaker 1: a larger conversation. And the Bechtel test is a media

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Speaker 1: metric created by cartoonist Alison Bechtel. It's sometimes called the

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Speaker 1: Bechtel Wallace test. Yes, thank you, you're welcome, and uh.

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Speaker 1: A movie will pass the Bechtel test if two female

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Speaker 1: identifying characters with names speak to each other about something

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Speaker 1: is an example of an Academy Award winning scene between

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Speaker 1: two female Hi, Caitlin, Hi, Jamie. All good scenes start

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Speaker 1: like this, Kitlin, did you know that Santa Claus is

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Speaker 1: a woman? Oh? Wow, now you know? And seen it's

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Speaker 1: kind of like that. The best part of the Bechtel

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Speaker 1: truly is a fair minimum metric, and so few movies

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Speaker 1: pass it. It's incredible. I think arian A Grande should

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Speaker 1: rewrite her God Is a Woman's Song as Santa Claus

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Speaker 1: as a woman. For the holidays, hasn't I stand for Ariana,

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Speaker 1: This is the time of year where the masses they revolt.

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Speaker 1: Because my unproduced screenplay, Santa University, still hasn't been produced.

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Speaker 1: It's been I wrote it in two thousand twelve. It's

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Speaker 1: But the best part is it's about Santa University. Right,

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Speaker 1: so at university where Santa's go, Santa's of all very

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Speaker 1: inclusive university. Here's a twist. Only one Santa graduates a

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Speaker 1: Close very classic. We're discussing today is the Santa clause

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Speaker 1: uh Tim Allen vehicle. Very successful. Clap it up. If

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Speaker 1: She's a Denver legend. She is. She's a very funny comedian.

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Speaker 1: so you've watched them the movie, you've seen all three.

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Speaker 1: This is a powerful mythos. This is more powerful than

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Speaker 1: I've seen all three at various I couldn't speak to

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Speaker 1: I certainly can. I just rewatched the Anti Claus too,

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Speaker 1: he militarizes the North Pole, or so the movie would

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Speaker 1: I guess their magic doesn't cover that in particular. And

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Speaker 1: They were waiting for this day. They already had, the

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Speaker 1: We've been waiting to talk about this is It's not.

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Speaker 1: and sure, okay, and then Santa Clas three is Martin

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Speaker 1: Santa Claus three. It's called the Santa Claus through the

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Speaker 1: Escape Class and it's a very controversial entry into the

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Speaker 1: that's it, You're Santa right. But it turns out in

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Speaker 1: never Santa clause, time reverses, She's never Santa Claus. So

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Speaker 1: you could just undo the whole cannon. Yeah, that simple.

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Speaker 1: person with the initials see they're like they're unnoticed. Sarah Connor,

423
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: Sarah Connor, think about it, Santa claus coincidence. I think

424
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: two things. Really what There's a shot when Santa's on

425
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: the ground after he's followed and at Scott and Charlie

426
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: are trying to figure out what to do, and there's

427
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: just one shot which doesn't look like any of the

428
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: other shots in the film. It's like this weird. I

429
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: went to film school. I say briefly that I did.

430
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: I didn't graduate, but so if you didn't, then that

431
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: must mean you didn't go twice to film school. Like

432
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: I don't like to bring it up, but I did

433
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: get a master's degree in screenwriting from Boston University. I

434
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: hate to mention it. Caitlin's addicted to flaunting her debt.

435
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: I think that's beautiful. I'm twenty thous dollars in debt

436
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: with nothing. Wow, I've got some good stories. Yeah, a

437
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: student observation. This is student observation. So there's this shot,

438
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: Santa's on the ground. It's medium medium shot. Okay, I'm familiar. Okay,

439
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: that's weird about it. But I don't know what it is,

440
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: but it looks weird. Okay, that's that's a medium shot

441
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: is the term I was prepping everyone for telling them

442
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: I went to build school. But but what happens in

443
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: it in the missinman is Santa like raises his hand

444
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: for a moment and goes, oh, yeah, very that was

445
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: I wrote that down. I'm like, was that the last

446
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: thing he did before he died? And so I think

447
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: it suggests that he'd show was like. I think it

448
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 1: suggests that he it was his choice. And and Caitlin

449
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: brought up something excellent on the drive here, which is

450
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: that we learned in the Santa Claus too, although I

451
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: guess we learned in the Santa Claus three but none

452
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: of it matters. But in the Santa Claus too, and

453
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: addgital clause is presented that unless you have a his wife,

454
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: Christmas is canceled, which means that the Santa who falls

455
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: off the roof and dies in the beginning of this

456
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: movie would have probably had a his wife. And where

457
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: did she did? She? Is her life force tied by

458
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: Santa and then she also died in that very moment,

459
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: Sarah or think about it? I like, I think her

460
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: name is Sandra Claus and she either died in that

461
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: moment or she just gets like austed. They're like, um,

462
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: your husband's dead, You're not welcome here anymore, and they

463
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: like ban her from the North Pole. We don't know

464
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: though where there should be an extended universe and we

465
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: should get a spin off a Sandra Clause. Brady is available, Yeah,

466
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: Sasha Baron comins, but I'm just looking up a list

467
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: of is that Stephen Colbert, think about it? Simon Cowell?

468
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: Who else do we go? If you're if your initials

469
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: in the audience? Thank you? Does anyone here have initials?

470
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: A C? One person? Okay, Santa show yourself. I can't

471
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: believe Santa came to the show. Thank you for coming

472
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: so exciting. Um, that's all Steve Coogan, alright, And finally

473
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: Cheryl Crow sure think about it. Santa Clause. She goes

474
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: to bed with her MONOGRAMD pajamas and then her kid

475
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: comes up to her like, wait a second, sorry, what's

476
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: happening in the movie. I don't even know. Um, clearly

477
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: there's not much for us to talk about, which is

478
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: why we're stretching. It's feminist Tim Allen pushing someone off

479
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: a rufus feminist. He doesn't know. I'm still trying to

480
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: process something you said earlier. I have to say you were.

481
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: You two were making fun of people with two first names,

482
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: and I would just like to quickly remind you that

483
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: my name is Great Thomas, and I'm not I went

484
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: to film school and i'd have had some respect. You

485
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: and Jack Ryan have my eternal respect. I'm so sorry.

486
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: Queen's Jack on the show with Jim from the Office. Yeah,

487
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: but this time he got a gun. All right, So

488
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: back to the Santa clause we were in in it too,

489
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: where he's truly okay. So they go to Denny's. They

490
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: talk about whether or not Santa Claus is real, and

491
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: Scott wants Charlie to believe that Santa is real, even

492
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: though he is an adult does not believe in Santa.

493
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: Now it's the middle of the night on Christmas Eve

494
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: and there arose such a clatter on Tim Allen's roof

495
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: and he plays. Charlie is like, he's really good in

496
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: the movies, Like it's a clatter he's and then he

497
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: grows up and my mom is like, whoa, but in

498
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: this one he's cute. Yeah, So Scott goes outside to

499
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: check on the clatter and Santa is on his roof.

500
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: He accidentally startles Santa Claus and he slips off and

501
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: falls off the roof and dies or progress does it

502
00:34:55,160 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: on purpose, it was playing. It's like such a hot take.

503
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: It's like how in the Dark Night Batman is trying

504
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: to get like Harvey Dent to like be the new

505
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: like crusader against crime, so that he doesn't have to

506
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: do it anymore. And I think that's the same thing

507
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: that's happening. It's probably a similar amount of people tie

508
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: throughout the course of the film. So Scott reaches into

509
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: Santa's suit and finds a business card that says, if

510
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: something should happen to me, put on my suit, the

511
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: reindeer will know what to do. So then he and

512
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: Charlie see the reindeer on the roof. They notice Santa's

513
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: body has now vanished totally fine, totally normal, and his

514
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: suit is still there though so and then a ladder appears,

515
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: suddenly arose such a clatter company still funny, still funny,

516
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: And they climb up onto the roof. The sleigh is

517
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: up there. They both get in it, and Scott's like

518
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: this is stupid, but Charlie's like, we that classic father

519
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: Son dynamics, and then the reindeer take off with Scott

520
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: and Charlie in the sleigh. They go to the next

521
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: house that was apparently on just the Santa agenda, and

522
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: Scott reluctantly puts on the Santa suit and the like

523
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: magical bag of toys takes him down the chimney, which

524
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: in some of the most cursed special effects you'll see. Yeah,

525
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: just like, let's render Tim Allen barely. It's so scary,

526
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: it's very alarming. I also did not notice until this

527
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: rewatch that the reindeer are like puppets. I thought as

528
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: a kid they were full on, real amazing reindeer actors there.

529
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: And then there's it's fart jokes for the reindeers close

530
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: up of hens and workshop making fart noises, and like, yeah,

531
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: that's what this. That technology was a metaphor. So he

532
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: goes into the next house. He puts toys under the tree.

533
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: This is the one where like the little girl is

534
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: there and he's like, funk off, little girl, yeah, fuck

535
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: you yeah, and she doesn't notice that her house suddenly

536
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: has a fireplace. Then it goes away that is the

537
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: second house, the second second Okay, I'm sorry you asked.

538
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: I didn't want everyone to get burned online, which happens

539
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: to us all the time. The first one has a

540
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: fireplace like usual, and the second one even though it

541
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: is an identical house there side by side, and they're

542
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: identical houses, but this other one doesn't have it, just

543
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 1: has a little pipe. Yeah, thank you for Santa. Santa

544
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: makes it work because I think the film very artfully

545
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: takes takes you into its mythology, step by step over

546
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: the big levitate him, and then you see the transmogrification,

547
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: not all at once. It's world building at its best.

548
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: I mean, folks, these are the writers of Space Jam.

549
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: They know what they're doing. Oh yeah, they know what

550
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: they're doing. They're skilled artisans. So Tim Allen what's his name,

551
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: Scott Scott and uh he and his son do this

552
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: over and over again, with house after house all night,

553
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: and then they finally are taken to the North Pole

554
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: where Santa's workshop is, and there are lots of elves,

555
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: their children, but they're a million yes. And then this

556
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: is when we meet Bernard. Did you did anyone else here? Also?

557
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: Think Tim Allen was hot? Because some people just say,

558
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: right here, I do in this movie as Santa Claus

559
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: to Santa Claus, Ship's sale that. Yeah, and you know,

560
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: I think that I kind of idolize him a little,

561
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: like not to Mellen as a person. But it's got Kelvin,

562
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: you know, the character. We've been we've been pretty critical

563
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: and the film is pretty critical of his parenting. Pretty

564
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: Santa Claus. But at least he's not a raging I

565
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 1: call it, you know, that's true, which is pretty good. Yeah,

566
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: I think that's maybe a low ball. I think it's

567
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: a perfectly adequate yardstick. Yeah, you know, and this is

568
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: not to be you know, like I'm in recovery. It's

569
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: like cool if you're an I mean, you know, I'm

570
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: not saying that you're a bad person if you're an alcoholic. However,

571
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: personal experience pretty hard to be a bad parent. If

572
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 1: you're a raging alcoholic, that's a tough one to pull off,

573
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: you know. Also, Charlie gets two houses. I had a

574
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: two bedroom apartment and a one bedroom apartment up this

575
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 1: is I mean, this is like yet another because we

576
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: we recently recorded an episode on Home Alone. Uh and

577
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: it's yet another like upscale like white family living in Illinois,

578
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: specifically in November and December. Like there's such a specific vibe.

579
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: Why are they always in Illinois? It was filmed Toronto.

580
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: Are people afraid of people thinking they're Canadian? Everything was

581
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: filmed in Vancouver and Toronto and they're like, no, it's Chicago.

582
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 1: You're like it isn't. That's okay, let's accept it. People

583
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: are evading taxes, right, yeah, Charlie, what is something? Well, Okay,

584
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: I guess we'll talk about it more in depth. But

585
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: I did like about this movie is like one of

586
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: It was definitely one of the first movies I saw

587
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: that like treated a divorced family as something that was

588
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: like normal and there wasn't a villain the story. It

589
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: was just like clear that these two people didn't belong together.

590
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 1: And then the mother got remarried and it was like difficult,

591
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: but it was okay and uh and like everyone loved

592
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: the child and like, I don't know, I thought that

593
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: was that didn't even like register with me. It's like,

594
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: oh that is cool. Yeah yeah, And like Charlie is

595
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: not like messed up from having divorced parents. No, now

596
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: he has a free therapist even you know, I remembered

597
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: them being harsher on Neil than they actually were, to

598
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: tell you the truth, they are surprisingly light on Napal.

599
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: There's like a couple of like things at times in

600
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: the film where he's like a little bit of feminate

601
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: and that's the joke. But beyond that, and you know

602
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, that's bad Chrissy all the time. For

603
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: the most part, it's five. Yeah. I mainly remember the

604
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: sweater burn sweaterburn very very clearly, and I think I

605
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: just was like, oh, that must have happened a lot.

606
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: It just happens the once. And Neil is not a

607
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: villain in this story, Like he's misguided, but he loves Charlie.

608
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: He wants the best, and he doesn't he doesn't hate.

609
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: He's willing to work with Scott. I don't know. It's

610
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: generally frustrated with Scott's behavior. And wait, Scott is saying

611
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: he is Santa Claus, and that is a tough pill

612
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: to swallow. But if Neil had just used his doctorate

613
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: and thought for a second that sc this guy is

614
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: a doctor and he can't figure out that Scott's Calvin

615
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: equals Santa Claus, unbelievable. Also Scott Calvin hates mental health

616
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: because he keeps being like, Neil isn't a doctor, He's

617
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist, but it's always like the most resistance against

618
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: mental health before you fully embrace, like you know what,

619
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: it's time. The film also seems very confused about what

620
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist is because I've been to many psychiatrists. I've

621
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: never had a psychiatrist spent more than ten minutes talking

622
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: to me about like my feelings and like theory around psychology.

623
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: They're always just like I think that they I will

624
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:20,919
Speaker 1: continue to give you well you dread, and I love

625
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: that for them because I need it right. But there, yeah,

626
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: I think that they thought that like a psychiatrist and

627
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: a therapists are the same thing. And then also a

628
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: therapist could gaslight a child and that's fine because there's

629
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: like that scene with Neil and Charlie. Were Neils like,

630
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: so you think your dad is Santa? And then like

631
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: slowly begins to ask these leading questions that lead up

632
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: to like, so what the fuck is your problem? Just

633
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: like Neil, you're doing a bad job. You're doing your

634
00:43:52,120 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: bad job. But before we it there, we're now in

635
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: minute about twenty of the movie. So they're now in

636
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: Santa's workshop and Bernard, who I guess is like the

637
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: head elf. He's like he he tells Scott about the

638
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: Santa Claus with an E. And this is the point

639
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: of the movie where you realize they came up with

640
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: the title first and then they reverse engineered a story

641
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: around it. That's when a bunch of like parents in

642
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: the audience I think they're smart, go oh, they figured

643
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: it out. But the Santa Claus states made me want

644
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: to be a lawyer. I'm a lawyer because of the

645
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 1: s didn't achieve that dream, but you did go to

646
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: art school a little bit. So the Santa Claus clause

647
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: states that if something happens to Santa Claus and he

648
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: dies after he's fallen off your roof, and you put

649
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 1: on his suit, you become the new Santa. I think

650
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: this is one of the most inventive pieces of I

651
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: p ever created. Who what SICKO? If you kill Santa,

652
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: then you're Santa. That's like a horror movie. It's almost

653
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: like this has to be a Crimson fairy tale, right it?

654
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: And it gets scarier as it goes on because in

655
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: the second movie it's and now you mus procure a woman.

656
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 1: It gets like scarier away to the west of the

657
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: North don't live with you for all your days? Wait

658
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 1: with her dreams? Who does he end up marrying? In

659
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: the second one? Does he rob a woman of her career? Yeah? What? What?

660
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: Who does he the principal of Charley's High school? And

661
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: then later she becomes a teacher in the North Pole.

662
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: Oh second, a second after in the North Pole. You know,

663
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: maybe she think I'm the superintendent of the North Pole.

664
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be stopping her career of up. Also in the

665
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: third movie, we find out that yes, all elves look

666
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 1: like children, but there are also new elves being made

667
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: that are also look like children made born. Maybe I

668
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: was like construct somehow I know. It seems from the

669
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: second scene to Plase movie, it seems that it seems

670
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: at the North Pole doesn't have the ability to clone,

671
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: right because he clone and would have had to make

672
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: a toy Santa, they could have just made a cloone.

673
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: Santa suggests that yes, these child alves, these actually young elves,

674
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: that they were born, they were born and from where

675
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: this is why we need a fourth movie, been saying

676
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: it for fourteen years. How are the elves Born. How

677
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: does it were? I don't know what's happening, all right.

678
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: So Scott he he doesn't want to be the new Santa,

679
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: and but it seems like he has no choice because

680
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: of this binding contract. And Bernard tells him that he

681
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: needs to report back to the North Pole next Thanksgiving

682
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: and until then he can just kind of live his

683
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: normal life. Yeah, Bernard will hold it down. He's like,

684
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: don't worry January through October. I'm daddy, thank you. The

685
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: more we talk about it, I think less invested I'm

686
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: getting in these films. The thing is a huge plot

687
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: point of the second film is they make the Toy

688
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: Santa because Santa doesn't trust Bernard to hold down the

689
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: fort for literally twenty eight days, because that's how much

690
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: time he has to find a wife. It's just twenty

691
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: eight days. That's like the same plot as the Princess Diaries.

692
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: To also pretty much it is it's like, if you

693
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: don't get married this month, the country split. Let's get back. Sorry,

694
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: it's quite all right, So what's let's see what's happening

695
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: in the Santa Claus. The Scott wakes up in his

696
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: bed and he thinks the whole thing was a dream,

697
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: but Charlie insists that it was real, and his mom

698
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: and stepdad and teachers and everyone in school concerned. He

699
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: has the pajamas, so he knows, somewhere deep down you've

700
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: done that it was real, right, But he's in denial

701
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: about it. He thinks he just had a weird dream

702
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: about flirting with a kid. Little does he know that's

703
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: the only night of his we see it's there, like

704
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: maybe this is a thing. That's so everyone's concerned for Charlie.

705
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: And then some changes start happening. I would call this

706
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: the midpoint of the movie with my master's degree. Like

707
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: Scott start scanning weight, his hair starts to turn white.

708
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: He grows a beard that like even right after he

709
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: shaves it, it grows back. Uh, And he's looking more

710
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: and more like Santa Claus, which freaks out Laura and

711
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: Neil because they think that he's doing it on purpose

712
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: to convince Charlie that he's Santa Claus, which would be alarming.

713
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 1: Put yourself in their shoes, yes, well, but their sweater

714
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: if you will. This I mean, this sequence is I

715
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: think one of the most iconic sequences in film is

716
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 1: I think, like so many films have tried to copy it,

717
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: for instance, Evan Almighty and others. My favorite movies Almighty.

718
00:50:52,040 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 1: And so the parents are concerned earned and they petitioned

719
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: to get soul custody if Charlie and take away Scott's

720
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: visitation rights. Um. But then Scott shows up to Laura

721
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: and Neil's house anyway, I think on Thanksgiving after he

722
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: has visitation rights revoked, because you know, men be showing

723
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: up places, men be showing up wistfully at the pane

724
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: of glass. At least he's not making threats. And again,

725
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,760
Speaker 1: at least he's not a raging alcohol I mean, everyone,

726
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 1: please Scott Calvin's graces hero, So let's be gentle. And

727
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: Scott really doesn't know what to think anymore. He's like,

728
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: I look exactly like Santa Claus, But am I Santa Claus?

729
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 1: And then Charlie's like, you are, and if you don't

730
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: be Santa Claus, you're gonna let all those kids down

731
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: there counting on you. And then he's like, okay, I

732
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 1: am Santa Claus. And then Bernard shows up and it's

733
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: like time to get to work, honey, and then they

734
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: all leave, men be snow Globe comes back, which is

735
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: a concert you in all three films, and the same

736
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: plot happens, where like near the end of the film,

737
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: the snow globe shows up and it shows someone that

738
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: Santa Claus exists. Like in the second film, it shows

739
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: his prospective wife that's like she She's like, you're not Santa.

740
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: You're just making fun of me because I told you

741
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:24,240
Speaker 1: I used to believe in Santa. That's so upsetting, weird

742
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: way to make fun of someone, and very reflective of

743
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: how she feels about him. But then Charlie in the

744
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: second film shows her the snow globe and as soon

745
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: as she sees the snow globe she's like, it must

746
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: be magic. He is Santa. Oh yeah, I one of

747
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: my favorite moments. And then the third one, the snow

748
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: globe is used to go back in time to undo Santa,

749
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: but also it's used at the end of the film

750
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: to redo Santa. So is there time travel in Santa

751
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 1: Claus Three? Yes, there's extensive time travel and it changes

752
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: the whole world. But Jack Ross converts the North Pole

753
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: into a theme park. Unbelievable. I can watch it. I

754
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: have Disney plus now brags. Yes, yes, we love to

755
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: give them our money. I also have it. So Bernard

756
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: shows up and then he's Scott and Charlie. I'll leave

757
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 1: for the North Pole. Uh. And now Laura and Neil

758
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 1: think that Charlie has been kidnapped. Because he's been kidnapped

759
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: is why they feel that. And I didn't realize this

760
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: as a child. But Charlie is gone for a whole month,

761
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: from the time from Thanksgiving to Christmas. Eve never seen

762
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: the film. Dear Zachary. Yes, God, wait, why would you

763
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: bring that up? Oh my god, because I just want

764
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: to say another good thing about Scott Calvin. Dear Zachary.

765
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: Spoiler Like it's a documentary. It's the saddest documentary I've

766
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: ever seen in my life. Oh my god, this is

767
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: baby and the same is Zachary and his dad probably

768
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: got murdered by his mom. And then the mom kidnaps Zachary, right, yes,

769
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: she sure does. It's so sad. She kidnaps Zachary, then

770
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: kills Zachary and then kills herself, right yes. And a

771
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: lot of times when a parent that doesn't have custody

772
00:54:53,120 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: kidnaps a kid, then they die in some way. But

773
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: Grace is repeatedly citing history's greatest monsters to demonstrate this. Calvin,

774
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 1: isn't this after It's not a bad day. I'm having

775
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 1: a panic attack. You're not wrong, a wrong. It's true,

776
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: he's not a raging alcoholic son. He didn Santa clause,

777
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: but he didn't. Again, I contend he did not. It

778
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: was in the cards. So he have duck, but he

779
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: have ducts Charlie for a whole month. There's an extensive

780
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 1: police investigation. I feel like the movie intentionally doesn't call

781
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: to attention how long he's gone. I've seen this movie

782
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: a million times until Caitlin told me earlier today that

783
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: it was a month that I realized. Yeah, you were like,

784
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: it's a night, right, Yeah, because I barely rudely insisted

785
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: it was a night, very rudely, and I'm sorry. And

786
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: then Caitlin presented her evidence that it was clear that

787
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: I was wrong. Well, because he's objected right around Thanksgiving

788
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving and then has returned on Christmas Eve. Yes,

789
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: it's scary, it's right. Oh and then like at the

790
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: end there's a very different what movie we're comparing it

791
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: to where you can see in the shot right before

792
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 1: Scott comes back, and it's like just kidding, I'm actually Santa,

793
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: which is a great twist. Uh. But like Laura and

794
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: Neil are sitting at the kitchen table, she's clearly at

795
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: the end of her rope. I'm like, they're about to

796
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: divorce each other. This is the worst thing that they lost,

797
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: They've lost their t and then it turns out the

798
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,919
Speaker 1: spirit of Christmas brings them back together and they're not mad.

799
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 1: They're not mad at They're not mad. They're like, Charlie,

800
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: welcome back. I want to know an interesting thing, I'm

801
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: not sure so so in the Santa it's interesting that

802
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: you brought that up because in the Santa Claus, through

803
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: the escape clause, when it's kind of like this is

804
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: the most specific um actually never being I'm not even

805
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: I'm not like, I'm not I'm not what I'm saying here.

806
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: What I'm saying here is that in the in the

807
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: in the in the timeline where Scott Calvin never becomes

808
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: Santa Claus and Jack Frost becomes Santa Claus. So in

809
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: the timeline when Scott Calvin has never Santa Claus, Neil

810
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: and Linda Laura but spiritually Linda, Neil and Laura's spiritually

811
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: Linda divorce. So in a world where Scott Calvin never

812
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: became Santa Claus, they do get divorced. No, yeah, I

813
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: honestly think that Laura is better off without either of them.

814
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: I like, but um, I guess I'm not as upset

815
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: as I lead on. I think Laura should tell us

816
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: what her job is and that we should be able

817
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: to learn some facts about her, and that her, like

818
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: her child stepdad, shouldn't be the one that is pushing

819
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: for like custody decisions. Right that I was like annoyed

820
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: at Neil or Neil's like, it's the I am a doctor,

821
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: and this is the way it has to be. And

822
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: I was like, it's not. He's not your son. You

823
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: don't get to your call. Yeah, and then Laura was

824
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: like I didn't get a board game, and and then

825
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: and then they're like about her as far as we know,

826
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: that's that and having her son abducted are her top

827
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: two problems. Another thing about Scott yea so in the

828
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: second film and don't call it a movie in front

829
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: of Grace, she'll get very upset called a saga. If

830
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: there's a meeting of the council of like a mythological

831
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 1: being which I remember this and Father Time notes that

832
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 1: since Scott became Santa, kids are seventy percent happier. He's

833
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: one of the best Santas of all time. So explanation

834
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: why Laura didn't get that game is that the Santa

835
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: before Scott was real bad at his job. That was like,

836
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: that was like Carter era Santa. That was car Liker. Sure,

837
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: I just don't think he's a hero, and I think

838
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 1: that his choice in Santa's really reflected that. Yeah, they agree.

839
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if you if you all know this,

840
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: but we're privy to some very explositive information. The president

841
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: chooses Santa. Yeah, and a different clause that's a that's

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Speaker 1: just a different if you shake this snogo up at

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Speaker 1: doesn't count, but technically that is the law. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: that's why Scott Calvin is kind of a bipartisan here really,

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Speaker 1: because he's sued for administrations, including that real Loopie one

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Speaker 1: going on right now. Yeah, well, we haven't seen Scott

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Speaker 1: Calvin since Okay, I'll push back on that. We haven't

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Speaker 1: seen Calvin since the Bush administration. Listen, Jamie, you've gotta

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Speaker 1: believe in something. I think that all. Yeah, well, I

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Speaker 1: guess he came to prominence during the Clinton administration. He

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Speaker 1: lasted through the Bush administration, and really, you know, I

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Speaker 1: think now we really need them now more than ever.

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Speaker 1: I agree. See he's able to work within the system.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's something to be said for that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's changing things from the No, he's not. The thing

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Speaker 1: is Tim Allen voted for Trump, and that's something we

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Speaker 1: really need to. I know everyone's hissing through their teeth,

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Speaker 1: but it's like we have to. We have toss it

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Speaker 1: every We can't talk about buzz Lightyear without being like,

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Speaker 1: well it is you know what. I bet Scott Calvin

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Speaker 1: also would have voted for Trump had he not well,

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Speaker 1: he was rich, he was very Christian market, he's at

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Speaker 1: the very least fiscally. Do you think Scott, wait, let's

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Speaker 1: clear this up. Let's clear this up. Do you think

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Speaker 1: Scott Calvin would have voted for Trump if he had?

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. If he hadn't become Santa he

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Speaker 1: would have voted for Trump. But I think Santa Claus

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Speaker 1: like he became, he's like Medicare for all. He's probably

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Speaker 1: like he's probably like, yeah, well, I don't know I

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Speaker 1: would give him that much credit. We the show has

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Speaker 1: been going on for an hour and we were not

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Speaker 1: even done with the recaps. So how well it Well,

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Speaker 1: we're we're at the end. But yes, we're at the

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Speaker 1: end where they prepped for Christmas Eve. It Scott a

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Speaker 1: k fully fledged Santa now, and he's accepted it. He's

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Speaker 1: accepted it, he's embraced it. He and Charlie are out

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Speaker 1: delivering presents to the kids and then they stop at

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Speaker 1: Laura and Neil's house, but the police catch him and

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Speaker 1: arrest him, which I totally forgot that happened, to say,

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Speaker 1: I totally forgot that. And I also forgot how the

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Speaker 1: North Pole like dispatches the squad of like swat elves,

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Speaker 1: okay elves with attitude, and I think that's kind of

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Speaker 1: a desert stormy thing. Yeah, sure s track I love

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Speaker 1: and they're like, we're your worst nightmare elvesd editing. I

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Speaker 1: know I said that to him. It's like, whose kid

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Speaker 1: was that? Why did that kid get to be? I

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Speaker 1: feel like that they had and no disrespect. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you were one of the Alps with attitudes slide

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Speaker 1: into our mentions, please the show there. But but that

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Speaker 1: to me had the energy of like a crew member's kid.

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Speaker 1: You know, every one of those kids has a degree

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Speaker 1: from U c. L A. Now, well, these elves with

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Speaker 1: attitude break stand out of jail, and then they go

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Speaker 1: back to Laura and Neil's house. And even though he's

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Speaker 1: kidnapped Charlie for a month, like we said, Laura Neil

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Speaker 1: are just like whatever. But from this perspective, they still

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Speaker 1: think that Scott is like delusional And then suddenly apropos

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Speaker 1: of absolutely nothing. One of the best line reads in

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Speaker 1: cinema history, because it's Laura and she says, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: you really are Santa clause you know, that line wasn't

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Speaker 1: even originally in the movie. The actors who was the

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Speaker 1: actress that played Laura, she was I'll get her name,

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Speaker 1: but continue. So she was just on set and saw

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Speaker 1: Tim Allen dressed up at Santa emotion just overcame her

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Speaker 1: and they happened to be rolling, and that's what she said,

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Speaker 1: you know, in person, oh you really are Santa. And

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Speaker 1: they were like, we gotta use we got. Her name

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Speaker 1: is Wendy Krusen and she is in all three of

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Speaker 1: the movies her Well we don't need to go well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, there's no like catalyst in the story that

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Speaker 1: gets her to be like, oh, wow, you are Santa Claus.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's magic. It's it's magic, magic and belief.

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Speaker 1: Caitlin so sorry, And then Neil Neil apologizes to Charlie,

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Speaker 1: which I liked. He's like, I'm sorry, I didn't believe

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Speaker 1: that Scott Colvin is Santa Claus. I see now the initials.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense. But then he immediately bag pedals on

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Speaker 1: what he just said and he was just like, oh no,

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Speaker 1: he's like making us by into this huge delusion. But

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Speaker 1: then like a few moments later, Scott Calvin, who is

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Speaker 1: a good Santa Claus whistle and the mystery date game

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Speaker 1: and a soccer whistle to Charlie, which I guess he wanted.

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Speaker 1: I guess he asked. Right before that happens, the best

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Speaker 1: moment happens, which is Laura takes the custody papers and

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Speaker 1: then she throws the custody papers into the fireplace and

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Speaker 1: she's like, there you go. You've got your custody back.

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Speaker 1: And it's like, legally, he doesn't, don't. It's it's mystifying

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Speaker 1: that they were able to navigate the courts well enough

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Speaker 1: to take his custody away, but they didn't know that, like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you don't get to that decision right the law. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's all kind of mood because

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Speaker 1: then he just flees to the North Pole permanently. So

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Speaker 1: and that's the movie. That's a movie. That's that was

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Speaker 1: the lying around and then everyone's like, wow, it really

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Speaker 1: is Santa we it's really it's all real that the

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Speaker 1: Santa Clause. Al Right, everyone, that's the end of part one.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget to grab your tickets for our upcoming live

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Speaker 1: shows in San Francisco and New York and Philly, and

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Speaker 1: then also follow us on social media pectol cast our,

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Speaker 1: Patreon and patreon, dot com, slash pactol cast, grab our,

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Speaker 1: merch all that good stuff, and stay tuned for part

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Speaker 1: two of The Santa Clause by