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Speaker 1: Fresh episode of fish Bites for You. It's Eli Susman

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Speaker 1: joined by a bunch of my Fishtraps colleagues for a

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Speaker 1: Miami Marlins Baseball is back roundtable our first impressions of

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Speaker 1: the now official twenty twenty MLB season plan. All this

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Speaker 1: is a plan for now, crossing our fingers, everything holds

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Speaker 1: up in the midst of a pandemic, a broader social

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Speaker 1: justice movement going on across the US, and sports hopefully

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Speaker 1: is able to proceed in its funky way under these

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Speaker 1: truly unique circumstances. So we're going to break down how

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Speaker 1: this new season plan impacts the Miami Marlins, changing a

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Speaker 1: typical marathon into a sixty game regular season sprint. A

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Speaker 1: lot of the pertinent season rules and quirks already covered

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Speaker 1: on the website fishtrips dot com. Go there, make sure

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Speaker 1: you go there a lot, because that's where we have

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Speaker 1: our coverage throughout the season, throughout the off season, every

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Speaker 1: single day, all things Marlins, and that's where you'll be

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Speaker 1: able to find this pod episode as well.

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Speaker 2: So check out fish Tripe. Some really fun stuff on there.

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Speaker 1: Making his Fish by Its podcast debut, He's done a

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Speaker 1: lot of draft coverage here on the site. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the pod. Hector Rodriguez, How you doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm great, Thank you for bringing me on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, and for plenty of this guy so

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Speaker 1: far this year. Alex Contreras, how's it going man?

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Speaker 4: What's up? Pli's super excited about the news about having

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Speaker 5: Alex, how you feel.

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Speaker 6: I'm feeling pretty good. I've you know, been keeping up

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Speaker 6: playing MLB the show a little bit to get my

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Speaker 6: like summer collegiate leagues going around in South Florida, up

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Korea, Japan, Taiwan, all around the world getting started

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Speaker 1: ahead of Major League Baseball. And lastly, Ethan Bodowski, what's

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Speaker 1: up man.

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Speaker 7: Good to be on the fish Bite spot. I don't

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Speaker 7: just got off a big soccer binge today. I've been

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Speaker 1: Well, this is gonna be somewhat of a crossover because

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Speaker 1: you can't really talk about the twenty twenty Marlin season

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Speaker 1: to the major leagues. I really don't know exactly where

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Speaker 1: to start with this twenty twenty season plan. Understandably, a

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Speaker 3: I personally think it's gonna help the Marlins just simply

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Speaker 1: What'd you think, mister Cantreras be okay with this?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it opens the doors for guys to play in

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Speaker 3: That thirty man roster.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be a thirty man roster for a certain

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Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of high expectations for a jjsday.

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Speaker 4: the Miami Marlins' If there's a chance for the Marlins

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Speaker 8: Series, it's stay see it.

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Speaker 3: Anything can happen.

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Speaker 1: Who's my late riving guy who just called in from

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Speaker 8: Oh guys, Itanila, Well verbate, but.

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Speaker 1: We'll bring you in cold on here. We were just

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Speaker 8: Honestly, I think it's very beneficial to the Marlins. There

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the roster issue that now we've mentioned a

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Speaker 1: And there's also the issue of the roster getting smaller

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Speaker 3: I would love to see Cecil Stanchez finally get up

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Speaker 1: Somebody is gonna win the quote unquote World Series, hopefully

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Speaker 9: And at the end of the day, even in an

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Speaker 7: They're not going to beat them in a three game series.

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Speaker 6: like the Yankees or the Dodgers, a team that's supposed

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Speaker 6: to win will crown them as they're supposed to. But

437
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Speaker 6: if a weird team like the Rockies or the Rays

438
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Speaker 6: wind up winning, that I think people start to look

439
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Speaker 6: at this as illegitimate.

440
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Speaker 1: That's the thing is playing the results that's going to

441
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Speaker 1: be part of this, no doubt, Like, once we get

442
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Speaker 1: to the end of this, the points you both of

443
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Speaker 1: you made are really valid. But if we do get

444
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Speaker 1: to the end of this and the ultimate champion is

445
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Speaker 1: someone that nobody could imagine coming to this point, then

446
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: that's going to just undo so much of the credibility.

447
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Speaker 1: I think is just people holding onto these preconceived notions

448
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Speaker 1: of what the champion is supposed to look like. And

449
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 1: this is a pretty pretty easy excuse for the general

450
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: public to build into it, especially if you're a fan

451
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Speaker 1: of one of these teams that is going all in

452
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Speaker 1: this year, like the Dodgers or a Yankee fan or

453
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: even Atlanta Braves, and if your team, for whatever reason,

454
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Speaker 1: doesn't even make it into October, and yet the champion

455
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Speaker 1: tends to be this team that almost everyone can agree

456
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Speaker 1: had inferior talent and experience and just too bitter to

457
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Speaker 1: actually to actually accept, you know, the specific details that

458
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Speaker 1: it made it possible. People are just going to hold

459
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Speaker 1: onto those notions. And if it's a big enough pot

460
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Speaker 1: like portion of the entire Major League Baseball fan base

461
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Speaker 1: that kind of rejects the legitimacy of the champion, then

462
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Speaker 1: I do wonder like how that will be viewed going

463
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Speaker 1: down the road, because that's always the weird thing, is

464
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Speaker 1: the perceptions that we have and the opinions that we

465
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Speaker 1: have in the time, and how some of that stuff

466
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Speaker 1: just gets thrown out the window right when you look

467
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Speaker 1: at it far into the future. Because there have been

468
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Speaker 1: short seasons in the past. Nineteen eighty one of nineteen

469
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Speaker 1: ninety five was slightly shortened as well, and it's hard

470
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Speaker 1: for any of us to have a perspective of like

471
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Speaker 1: how fans felt in that moment. But we look back

472
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Speaker 1: at it at this moment and we just see World

473
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Speaker 1: Series champions from those years in the same way that

474
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Speaker 1: had been four and afterwards, and.

475
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Speaker 7: Sorry, I think after all, while the stigma around it

476
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Speaker 7: will kind of drop, you know what I mean, and

477
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Speaker 7: it'll just kind of be Okay, that's you know, that's

478
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Speaker 7: how it was that year.

479
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Speaker 3: And and I.

480
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Speaker 7: Think, like you said, you know, we look back on

481
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Speaker 7: the strike shortened season and we say, okay, maybe the

482
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Speaker 7: Expo should have won that year, you know what I mean,

483
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Speaker 7: and kind of like crown them. So I think the

484
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Speaker 7: circumstances will be weird, and there'll certainly, you know, especially

485
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Speaker 7: if some weird team wins. You know, there you can't

486
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Speaker 7: avoid the controversy of it. But I think, yeah, I

487
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 7: think eventually, you know, people will just kind of give

488
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Speaker 7: it up. You know, it's gonna be a champion. And

489
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Speaker 7: I think a lot of people at the same time,

490
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Speaker 7: if a weird team like the Marlins win, would be like, well,

491
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Speaker 7: holy shit, you know, like that's awesome. I mean, maybe

492
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Speaker 7: for us it'll be awesome. But even if it's like

493
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Speaker 7: a random ass team, so I don't know, it's gonna

494
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Speaker 7: be really interesting. You like, you know, there's it's it's

495
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Speaker 7: a really interesting discussion.

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Speaker 6: So I'd like to just point out, sorry, I'd like

497
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Speaker 6: to point out that I don't know if you guys

498
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Speaker 6: are college based. The college baseball season lasts fifty six

499
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Speaker 6: games and then they have a tournament that could last

500
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Speaker 6: anywhere between ten to maybe fifteen games, I think, and

501
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Speaker 6: no one ever thinks to say that this season's too short.

502
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Speaker 6: I mean, at the end of the college baseball season,

503
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Speaker 6: nobody thinks, well, should we really crown these guys champions?

504
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Speaker 5: I only played fifty six games. I think that they're

505
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 5: not getting paid, the college kids. It's like a lower level,

506
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 5: minor league type of ball. What do you expect from him?

507
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Speaker 8: I think he's just trying to say the example of

508
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Speaker 8: a you know, they play X amount of games and

509
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Speaker 8: they're still crowning the champion. I mean, whoever wins this

510
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Speaker 8: year is in my opinion, a legitimate champion. You you

511
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Speaker 8: you can think back to the twenty twelve NBA shortened

512
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 8: season and they eat one and no one thought twice

513
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Speaker 8: about you know, oh, the heat one, but they haven't

514
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Speaker 8: an astrosk. I think whoever is a champion ultimately is

515
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 8: a true World Series champion. I will put an asterisk

516
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Speaker 8: on stats, like if someone hit four hundred this year,

517
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 8: I think that that should carry an asterisk because they

518
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Speaker 8: did it across sixty games instead of one hundred something games.

519
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Speaker 8: But I do think that having a sixty game season

520
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 8: is very much a sprint and anything can happen. And

521
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 8: we've all heard the narrative fifty games into the season

522
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,479
Speaker 8: last year, the Nationals found themselves twelve and thirty eight

523
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 8: and they ended up winning. We can have a story

524
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Speaker 8: where maybe the Dodgers start off in a very bad

525
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 8: spot and they go twelve and thirty and they found

526
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Speaker 8: themselves out, so the Yankees or whomever. And I think,

527
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Speaker 8: because this season is so short, maybe players try that

528
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 8: much harder. Maybe managers throw all precautions and safety out

529
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Speaker 8: the window because they want to win, and they put

530
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Speaker 8: their best lineup, or they put their or they leave

531
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Speaker 8: their best pitchers on the mound for as long as they.

532
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Speaker 3: Can and to secure win.

533
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Speaker 8: And I wouldn't be surprised if an obscure team manages

534
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 8: to win the World series, because baseball is the game

535
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 8: of streaks. If you stay hot for a good while,

536
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 8: you keep that writing into the postseason, and you know,

537
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 8: all said and.

538
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 10: Done, right, So if somebody you know does does it

539
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 10: have the same amount of weight to the record. If

540
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Speaker 10: somebody ties or somebody hits, gets a hit for sixty

541
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Speaker 10: games in a row, they come in at demagio, will

542
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 10: they will they have the same amount of weight next season?

543
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 10: If that player has sixty hits and come into next

544
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Speaker 10: season he has He's coming into Game one opening Day,

545
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Speaker 10: He's got sixty game hits streak, Will it have the

546
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 10: same amount of weight for every Major League Baseball season

547
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 10: as it does for you and me?

548
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Speaker 8: I think it'd be more impressive if someone broke broke

549
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 8: the Mortial streak, because that means they got on base

550
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 8: every single game two or three like that'd be incredibly impressive.

551
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Speaker 1: I guess we could all acknowledge that, Yeah, there's gonna

552
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: be some very fluky stuff happening, both the individual level

553
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Speaker 1: and at the team level this year. As far as

554
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: if we're going to defer to the professional sportsbooks and

555
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: the kind of odds they put on the Marlins actually

556
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: pulling off a Cinderella story. They're pretty extreme. You can

557
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: make a lot of money by putting a dollar around

558
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 1: them to win the World Series. Right now, they're one

559
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: of the long shots, I believe, the longest odds in

560
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Speaker 1: the National League and one of the three or four

561
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: most unlikely World Series champs across the league right now,

562
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: like a couple thousand to one odds. But it's possible,

563
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: and assuming they don't get there, though, I don't think

564
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: that's the threshold that anybody is holding this team to

565
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: this year. I mean, coming off the second year they're

566
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Speaker 1: rebuilt in twenty nineteen, and even though you look at

567
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: this roster and the organization as a whole and you

568
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: see so much potential to improve at the major league

569
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Speaker 1: level this year and be semi competitive, I guess I

570
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Speaker 1: want to get your guys' take on what should be

571
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: a successful season for the Marlins. What would we be

572
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: looking at now that there's there's really not that much

573
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Speaker 1: to gauge it on, right if we're not going to

574
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Speaker 1: have any official minor league stats going on, and if

575
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Speaker 1: we have such a short season that could limit the

576
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: total number of players that get involved during the course

577
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: of a major league season, it's only going to be

578
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,959
Speaker 1: so much to judge it on, but what are some

579
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Speaker 1: whether it's like a certain number that you're looking at

580
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: in terms of their their win total, or just individual

581
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Speaker 1: accomplishments that would make it feel like a satisfying Like

582
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Speaker 1: if you're looking at this and you want to feel

583
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Speaker 1: what are the kind of accomplishments you want to see

584
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Speaker 1: from this team in order to still feel confident that

585
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Speaker 1: they're heading in the direction of being like a sustainable contender.

586
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Speaker 8: I think this president is all about individual stats. If

587
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Speaker 8: a guy like if I can hit two sixty two

588
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 8: seventy this season, then that's progress. We have to throw

589
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 8: wins and losses out the window for a team like

590
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Speaker 8: the Marlands, because it's not about wins and losses for them.

591
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Speaker 8: If a guy like Lewis Brinston remains hot the whole

592
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 8: season and makes that next jump, or if Monte stays

593
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Speaker 8: healthy and makes the major league roster and plays a

594
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Speaker 8: full year and hits like two forty to fifty, I

595
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Speaker 8: think those are good numbers to base the rearbuild the

596
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 8: rebuild off of, because we're seeing these players that the

597
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 8: Margins acquired perform at a top level well and from

598
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Speaker 8: well realistically.

599
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a short season, and this is

600
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: an opportunities for guys like Louis Frinston to come up and.

601
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 8: Seize the opportunity.

602
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Speaker 2: Maybe the Marnins are lucky enough to see a Louis

603
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: Frinston come out and have a great short MLB season. Okay,

604
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: because he's had great spring training numbers. Maybe he'll go

605
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: out and have a great quarantine season and the Manins

606
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: will be able to flip them so we can get

607
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: something to help us in the future. That's our best home.

608
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Speaker 6: I do the stats are sorry that individual stats are

609
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 6: more important this year, not only because of the pandemic

610
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Speaker 6: and the weird rules going around, but also because you're

611
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Speaker 6: in a rebuild still now. I do think that you're

612
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 6: starting to enter the territory where wins and losses are

613
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Speaker 6: starting to kind of matter.

614
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Speaker 7: It's year three.

615
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Speaker 6: If you want to look at like the Astros rebuild,

616
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Speaker 6: I think they won fifty something games for the first

617
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Speaker 6: three years of their rebuild. So I'd like to at

618
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Speaker 6: least get into the sixties this year, or on pace

619
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Speaker 6: for sixty wins in a normal season, which would equate

620
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Speaker 6: to about twenty five twenty six wins this year. Again,

621
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Speaker 6: You're right that it would be nice to see Lewis Princeton,

622
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Speaker 6: Brian Anderson, you know, Caleb Smith, all those guys do

623
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Speaker 6: well this year. I do also think that, let's not

624
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 6: lie to ourselves. If the Marlins wind up winning just

625
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 6: fifteen sixteen games this year, that's gonna be really disappointing.

626
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you can't compare Caleb Smith and Bryan

627
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 4: and the Lewis Princeton dollar respect doctor k He's one

628
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 4: of the leaders in strikeouts and Brian Anderson, if they

629
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Speaker 4: weren't for that injury he got, he was on pace

630
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 4: had also caliber numbers. So I think this is gonna

631
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Speaker 4: be a key year Brian Anderson turn it up and

632
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Speaker 4: show that he's a player. He's an established major league player.

633
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 4: Kadlus Smith, this is a year for him to show

634
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 4: that he's proven and he's ready to take over for

635
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 4: any other major league team, ready to dish out prospects

636
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 4: to the Marlins.

637
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 7: There you go, There you go. That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, No,

638
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,479
Speaker 7: I just there's a couple of things I want to

639
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 7: touch on.

640
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Speaker 1: First.

641
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Speaker 7: First is what Alex just talked about with BA. He

642
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 7: had such a good year last year, that I'd really

643
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 7: like to see him like stay really hot, just have

644
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 7: you know, just tear the cover off the ball at

645
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 7: sixty games. I think that would be huge for the Marlins,

646
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Speaker 7: especially because I think everybody knows that this is kind

647
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 7: of the year where we're either extend him or start

648
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 7: looking in another direction in that third base. So I

649
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 7: would personally love love to see sorry Ba have a

650
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 7: huge year and then yeah, like you know, Kleb rack

651
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 7: up some strikeouts, and there is going to be a

652
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 7: trade deadline, so there's gonna be trades made, and somebody's

653
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 7: going to be looking to acquire starting pitching at the deadline,

654
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 7: and the Marlins have so much starting pitching right now

655
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 7: that yeah, it would be cool if Caleb could, you know,

656
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 7: put up some big numbers like he did last year

657
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 7: and and flip him. But I definitely think that we

658
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 7: got to look at the individual performances and just see

659
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 7: that as much as we can, that guys are developing.

660
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 7: I don't want to see Isan hit one ninety or

661
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 7: whatever he hit last year. I want to see him

662
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 7: hit the ball hard, you know, put the ball in

663
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 7: play and get on base a little a little more.

664
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Speaker 7: So I think that That's a huge part of it

665
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 7: is just seeing how guys perform and staying hot for

666
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 7: sixty games and then you know, like like Alex k

667
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 7: was saying, was that, you know, wins kind of matter.

668
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: Now.

669
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Speaker 7: I think we all wanted to see the Marlins win

670
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 7: some ball games this year. They put together a roster

671
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 7: that was capable of winning some ballgames. You know, I said,

672
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 7: the expectation coming in this season should reasonably be seventy wins,

673
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 7: and I was, you know, committed to that with guys

674
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 7: like Corey Dickerson and some of the help they're going

675
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 7: to get from the minor leagues and BA having a

676
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 7: really good year and now Fara looking to break out,

677
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 7: and you know, I think that's you know, that was

678
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 7: a legitimate expectation. And when you kind of do the

679
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 7: math and do the proportion, that would be about twenty

680
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 7: five twenty six games. So yeah, I'd like to see

681
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 7: the Marlins win some ball games. I don't want to

682
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 7: see them kind of slop their you know, drag their

683
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 7: way through the year and just kind of you know,

684
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 7: go through the motions and play baseball. I want to

685
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 7: see them be competitive, you know, fight for some games

686
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 7: and win some games. So I think around twenty five

687
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 7: twenty six wins is a good If you see that,

688
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 7: that's an nice year for the Marlins, and especially if

689
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 7: you see some good individual performances. I think that's something

690
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 7: promising to build on and to at least take something

691
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 7: out of this year, because, like you said, to elive

692
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 7: with the minor league season gone, it's going to be

693
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 7: really hard for a team that's rebuilding to get anything

694
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 7: out of this season. So you know, find a way

695
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 7: to take something out of it and look forward to

696
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 7: twenty twenty one because you've got sixty games to do it.

697
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 7: So I think that's all the Marlins could do right now.

698
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the best case scenario.

699
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 4: I think the best case scenario is that these veterans

700
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,479
Speaker 4: are on the cusp of showing if they got something

701
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 4: less than the tank or not, but they get cut

702
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 4: loose in the Marlins makes a smart move and give

703
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 4: the opportunity to the to the top prospects that these

704
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 4: prospects come out, show what they're worth, show, give them

705
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 4: the time to blossom, to develop, and that's going to

706
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 4: help us in the long run.

707
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to pull up a few numbers for

708
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Speaker 1: you guys of interest with this sixty game season. A

709
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 1: couple of you guys of course, talked about Caleb Smith

710
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: and how well he pitched early last year and the

711
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 1: promise that he showed. If last year was a sixty

712
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: game season, Caleb would have gotten some cy Young votes.

713
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: He was that good early in the year, during that

714
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: first sixty game stretch of the major league season last

715
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: year before he got kind of derailed by a hip injury.

716
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: Brian Anderson, as Ethan correctly noted, he had a really

717
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: encouraged last year for a lot of power later on,

718
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: but all that came like in the second half of

719
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: the season. You look at his sixty games of the

720
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 1: season and he really wasn't like driving the ball as

721
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: well as he could, and there was I do remember,

722
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: like some concern about him at that point when he

723
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: wasn't when the first impression of him for the first

724
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: couple months of the season didn't show that improvement right away.

725
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: And that's the kind of volatility you're going to get

726
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: with this is because it is such a small segment

727
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: of the sample size we usually look towards, and I

728
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: kind of wonder like how that affects the decision making

729
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: that the team makes. Like if you see, normally you

730
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: have a young player like let's he was east and

731
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: Diez for example, and he struggled a lot his first

732
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: month in the majors, and then towards the end of

733
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: the year he wasn't quite playing every day. They would

734
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: sit him a little bit against left handers because he

735
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: was struggling so much. He struggled over like a twenty

736
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: five thirty game stretch. But now if you shrink this

737
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: season more, like how much quicker do they have to

738
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: make those lineup decisions to diagnose when somebody is slumping

739
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: and to like make an adjustment There's it depends, of course,

740
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: like what the focus is on, like whether the organization

741
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: is really dead set on being competitive or whether they

742
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: really punt this season to make sure to prioritize all

743
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: the young guys. The reality is probably going to be

744
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: somewhere in between, you know, based on a case by

745
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: case basis. But it's yeah, it's totally unprecedented, and like

746
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: the wild card in this, of course is COVID nineteen.

747
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: I think we can't really stop this podcast without acknowledging

748
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: that Florida is a bit of a nightmare right now.

749
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: In terms of the cases and how all the demographics

750
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: that are catching this and unfortunately those that are passing

751
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: away from it, which makes it really complicated because the

752
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: Marlins are dead set on playing games in their home ballpark,

753
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: and that's what the league is trying to do. And

754
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: I believe we mentioned this off air, the report coming

755
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: up from radio host Andy FLD today about the possibility

756
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: of the Marlins considering putting together some sort of proposal

757
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: in order to actually bring fans into the stadium in

758
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: limited numbers at some point in July. It seems like

759
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: an extreme long shot, but the fact that the whole

760
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: response to the pandemic, especially here in Florida is so

761
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: you know, disorganized, that could really like adversely effect seems

762
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 1: like the Marlins just because that's where all these guys

763
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: are based in and even if they take every precaution

764
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: necessary to try to keep themselves safe, it's it's currently

765
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: in environments that other people surrounding the players aren't necessarily

766
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: abiding by all that, and that could lead to a

767
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: lot of unintended consequences and potentially hurt them more than

768
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: other teams.

769
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 7: But sorry, you know, just one thing that you know

770
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 7: you said is you don't really know whether the Marlins

771
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 7: are going to try and be competitive or kind of

772
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 7: punt the season. I think one thing that the new

773
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 7: regime has shown is that they're going to go for it,

774
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, They're not gonna They're not

775
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 7: gonna go for it like the Yankees are going to

776
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 7: go for it. But I think that they're gonna put

777
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 7: try and put a winning product out on the field,

778
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 7: and they're going to try and get this team to

779
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 7: go hard and win as many ballgames as they can.

780
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 7: And so I think Marlins fans should be really excited

781
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 7: because first of all, baseball, you know, how can that

782
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 7: you not get excited for that? And I think the

783
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 7: Marlins are gonna do what they can to have a

784
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 7: really nice year and put on a show for the

785
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,479
Speaker 7: fans you know that are staying home to support them.

786
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 7: And I just think that it's a really it's been

787
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 7: an exciting time to be a Marlins fan. And this

788
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 7: puts a little bit of a hindrance on how excited

789
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 7: we can be, but it's so really exciting, and I

790
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 7: think that everybody's just got to get behind the team

791
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,399
Speaker 7: and look forward to, you know, watching them this year

792
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 7: and hopefully put putting out getting some exciting moments, drag,

793
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,320
Speaker 7: like I said, dragging what we can out of this season.

794
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 7: And it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be a sprint,

795
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 7: and it's it's baseball, and so it'll be wacky, but

796
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 7: I'm excited.

797
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 1: It's going to be a tough schedule. That's the interesting

798
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: wrinkle in this is that it's an unbattanced schedule, playing

799
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: forty of the sixty games inside the division. So it's

800
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: all the challenges they've had against the Braves and the

801
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 1: Nationals the past couple of years. They're going to dominate

802
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: the Phillies. I mean, that's the only thing you know

803
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: by the Marlins is they're going to dominate the Phillies

804
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: and drive those people crazy. That's been happening the last

805
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: couple of years. But outside of that some challenging teams.

806
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: All the inter league games would be against the American

807
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: League East, go through the Yankees and the Red Sox

808
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: and the Rays of course, also the Orioles and the

809
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: Blue Jays. So we'll see. But depending on how you

810
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 1: look at it, arguably the most difficult strength of schedule

811
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: in baseball, with of course the caveat that we don't

812
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: know exactly who's going to be healthy and how all

813
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: this is going to happen. Some final notes, trade deadline

814
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: is going to be at the end of August. August

815
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: thirty first, that's gonna be after probably thirty four to

816
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: thirty five games. Isn't that crazy? You had to decide

817
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: in like thirty in barely a month's time, whether you're

818
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: a contender or pretender. And I imagine it's not going

819
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: to be a super active deadline. People aren't going to

820
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: be like signing up an overeager to like hop on

821
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: a plane and meet a new team and get appclimated

822
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: to like a totally new environment with all the uncertainty

823
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: going on. But it's still another variable that you got

824
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: to account for.

825
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 6: It's especially interesting because states are starting to put in

826
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 6: a tory two week quarantines if you're going from a

827
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 6: certain state to another certain state, Like it would be

828
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 6: interesting to see if the Marlins traded a guy to

829
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 6: New York, would you have to sit out.

830
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 7: For two weeks?

831
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 4: Absolutely? I mean that's how that you hit it. You

832
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 4: hit that nail with a hammer on the nail man,

833
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 4: you killed it. I was just about to hit that point.

834
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 4: But absolutely, I mean, what's gonna happen thirty games?

835
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: This is an opportunity for for us as Marlins fans

836
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: were praying for Jose Reina to have a great season,

837
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: you know, and other players that we've mentioned before so

838
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 2: that we can flip them.

839
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 4: But I mean looking at the at the Marlins lineup

840
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 4: and the players that we.

841
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 7: Have, man, we got it now far.

842
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 4: We got Cooper Anderson, Dickerson, Yard Rojas, d As Rameriz, Moonte,

843
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 4: we got Lowin on the bench.

844
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 2: We got six though ready to pitch. Like these are

845
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: opportunities that are gonna happen. And not only that, there's

846
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: gonna be some players. But the breaking news today was

847
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 2: Charlie Blackman tested positive for COVID nineteen.

848
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 3: We don't know if any Marlin play on the Karen

849
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 3: roster is gonna test positive for it.

850
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: And if that does happen, who's that going to open

851
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: the door for. This is an opportunity that these young

852
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 2: prospects have to be ready to seize the opportunity.

853
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: And it all, it all gets started just one week

854
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: from right now. Recording this on Wednesday night and next Wednesday,

855
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: July first, is going to be the final reporting date

856
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: for everybody to get the camp could be it's gonna

857
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: be like spring training all over again. They could bring

858
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: it up to sixty players. It's kind of what the

859
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: group looks like heading into our normal spring training. And uh,

860
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: it's can be accelerated for sure, like in ways that

861
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: we've never seen before. It's only about three weeks between

862
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: that and port date and when things actually got to

863
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: get going for real on opening day. And I mean,

864
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: another complicating factor is that as we're speaking right now,

865
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: that you still don't have this specific schedule. You don't

866
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: know how these years are going to be divided up,

867
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: when they're gonna be traveling where and when, And it's

868
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: like how the cumulative effect of certain road trips could

869
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: hit them. But it's it's gonna be unlike anything we've

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Speaker 1: ever been before. Another side note that I like is

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Speaker 1: that because you're only playing other teams on the East

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Speaker 1: Coast early start times, you got really convenient stuff happening.

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Speaker 1: No late night with the Fish. Everything's gonna end at

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Speaker 1: a reasonable hour weather permitting that that's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: nice wrinkle in all this. And it's really impossible to

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Speaker 1: encapsulate all these variables in a single podcast, So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna cut it off right there. We're not even gonna

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Speaker 1: try to.

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Speaker 7: We're gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Back constantly throughout the rest of this spring training, tune up,

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Speaker 1: summer training, spring training, two point zero, whatever you wanna

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Speaker 1: call it. We're gonna have extensive preview of what this

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty season is gonna be, gonna bring on you

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Speaker 1: guys plenty of other times leading up to that finally

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Speaker 1: hooking up with some players. That's something we've been missing,

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Speaker 1: is our player interviews. But I'm sure we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: cooperation from the team to bring players on the pod

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Speaker 1: as well, and we're just gonna roll with this as

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Speaker 1: new information comes in now less than one month away

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Speaker 1: hopefully from the opening of the twenty twenty season for

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Speaker 1: Hector Rodriguez, Danielo Santos, Alex Contraris, Alex Krutchick, Ethan Bodowski,

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Speaker 1: Eli Sussman, Go Fish