1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is the Blue 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: Big DAYBAK podcast, available every morning on Apple, Spotify or 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: wherever you listen. It's Friday, the twelfth of July in London. 4 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: I'm Caroline Hepki. 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today, Joe Biden confuses 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 2: his vice president for rival Donald Trump at a vital 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: moment for his embattled reelection bid. 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: NATO allies thought a Russian plot to kill the CEO 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: of a key German defense company. 10 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: Plus France's fiscal constraints, Macron's vision of a centrist alliance 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: falters as the EU pressures the country to reduce its deficit. 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: Let's start with a found up of our top stories. 13 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: Joe Biden's re election campaign is under renewed pressure after 14 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 2: he made two critical errors in a closely scrutinized NATO 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: news conference over a bilateral meeting with Ukrainian President Vladimir 16 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: Zelenski and a nearly hour long news conference. The eighty 17 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: one year old US president spoke confidently on a range 18 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: of issues, but those interactions were overshadowed by Biden mistaking 19 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: two of his biggest allies for his greatest enemies, firstly 20 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: mixing up the Ukrainian leader and the Russian president. 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 3: Ladies, gentlemen, President Putin. 22 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 4: Present, You've got big president, President Lenski. I'm so focused 23 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 4: on being putin we gotta worry about it. Anyways, President, 24 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 4: you are. 25 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 2: He And that was followed later by Biden confusing his 26 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: vice president with his Republican rival for reelection, following this question. 27 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 5: What concerns do you have about Vice President Harris's ability 28 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 5: to beat Donald Trump if she were at the top 29 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 5: of the ticket. 30 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 4: Look, I wouldn't have picked Vice President Trump to be 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 4: vice president? Do I think she was not qualified to 32 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 4: be president? So let's start there. 33 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: The gas when Biden came as, he vowed to stay 34 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty four residential race, saying he's the 35 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: best qualified person to do the job. But almost immediately 36 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: after the press conference ended, at least three more House Democrats, 37 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 2: including the top member from his party on the Intelligence Committee, 38 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 2: joins the growing list of lawmakers calling on him to 39 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: step aside. 40 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: President Biden's mistakes followed reporting by The New York Times 41 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: that several longtime advisers were discussing ways to persuade him 42 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: to exit the race. Spokespeople for the president insist his 43 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: team remained behind him. Bloomberg political contributor Jen Zeino says 44 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: that the press conference did little to allay Democrat fears 45 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: about Biden's campaign. 46 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 6: What is going to stick in people's minds are the 47 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 6: gaffes Zelenski putin, Donald Trump, Harris and a few others, 48 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 6: the repetitions he made, the way he trailed off in questions. 49 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 6: He is good on national security, he knows this business. 50 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 6: It's a comfort zone for him, and yet I'm not 51 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 6: sure it's going to have any impact. And those people 52 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 6: who are calling for him to drop out. 53 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: Gen Zeno's analysis came after top White House and campaign 54 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: officials were sent to Capitol Hill on Thursday to shore 55 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:16,399 Speaker 1: up support of concerned lawmakers. Meanwhile, Trump seized on Biden's 56 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: error in naming him, posting on his social media site 57 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: that Biden had done quote a great job. 58 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 2: European allies have uncovered a plot to assassinate the CEO 59 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 2: of a major German defense company. It marks a significant 60 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: escalation in what the US and Europe say is hybrid 61 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 2: warfare by Russia. Bloombrook's tewa Adebayo has more. 62 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 7: A plan to kill the CEO of Rhein Mattol was 63 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 7: thwarted by German security services thanks to US intelligence. According 64 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 7: to CNN, the attempt is linked to a series of 65 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 7: Russian plots to kill defense executives in Europe whose companies 66 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 7: produce weapons for Ukraine. US officials declined to comment on 67 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 7: the specifics of the scheme or confirm its existence. German 68 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 7: Foreign Minister and Alina Baerbock has to reporters Russia is 69 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 7: leading a hybrid war of aggression and Rae Mattal CEO 70 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 7: Armen Papuger was given special protection as a result. The 71 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 7: move comes as the US and its allies say President 72 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 7: Putin has stepped up the number of coordinated assassinations, cyber 73 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 7: attacks and other actions since the outbreak of the war 74 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 7: with Ukraine. In London, to what Adibayo Bloomberg Radio. 75 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: Now, Emmanuel Macom is trying to ease concern about his 76 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: country's political turmoil among his NATO colleagues and that it 77 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: won't affect his ability to support the alliance's goals, especially 78 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: on Ukraine. In conversations under speech, the French president has 79 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: tried to allay worries over the snap election result in France, 80 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: but Macroll's calls for a centrist parliamentary alliance have been 81 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: met with considerable pushback from lawmakers. Parties across the political 82 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: spectrum rejected Macrol's appeal for quote Republican forces to form 83 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: a coalition, leaving no clear way forwards to forming a 84 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: stable government well. 85 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: France's next government will need to find more than fifteen 86 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: billion euros in extra revenue or savings a year to 87 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 2: meet European Union demands. Bloomberg understands the figure was included 88 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: in a proposal that the European Commission sent to Paris 89 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 2: last month. The adjustment equates to around zero point five 90 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 2: to five percent of annual GDP over seven years. But 91 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 2: agreeing to spending cuts may prove difficult for President Macron 92 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: after snap elections left the country with a hung parliament 93 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 2: divided on budget policy. 94 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: US inflation called to the slowest pace in three years, 95 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: sending the strongest signal yet that rate cuts are on 96 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: the horizon. The consumer price index climbed zero point one 97 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: percent in May on a call basis. The Chicago Fed 98 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: chief Austin Goulesby described the data as the evidence that 99 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: he'd been waiting for. Bloombag's Charlie Pellett has more. 100 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 3: In a conversation with reporters, gouls Be added that the 101 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: numbers provided the evidence he has been waiting for to 102 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 3: be confident, but the Central Bank is on a path 103 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 3: to its two percent goal. Goolsby declined to offer guidance 104 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: on the timing of the first interest rate cut. Still, 105 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 3: he emphasized the importance of the deceleration and shelter inflation 106 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 3: in recent months, calling it profoundly encouraging. The Chicago Fed 107 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: chief has been closely watching that category to determine when 108 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 3: the Central Bank should lower borrowing costs in New York. 109 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: Charlie Pellett, Bloomberg Radio. 110 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 2: Britain's mortgage holders were behind some of the Labour Party's 111 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 2: gains in last week's general election. Analysis of the results 112 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: by Hampton suggests those hit by high mortgages were some 113 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 2: of those most likely to vote Labor. James Wilcock has 114 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: the story. 115 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 5: Labour won seats across the country in their landslide election. Now, 116 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 5: property firm Hampton's has looked at house ownership trends in 117 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 5: those seats that the party has taken over. They found 118 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 5: those with mortgages were most likely to have swapped from 119 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 5: Conservatives to Labour, and those who had homes outright were 120 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 5: more likely to move from the Tories to other parties. 121 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 5: The data doesn't suggest where voters switched, but Labor have 122 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 5: promised to turbocharge house building after jumps in both mortgages 123 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 5: and house prices in recent years in London. James Wilcock 124 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 5: Blinder Radio and. 125 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: A Moment will bring you more on Joe Biden's performance 126 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: in that NATO summit press conference, plus the latest on 127 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: government formation talks in Paris and some of the financial 128 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: challenges that France is facing. But first, a great read 129 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: on the terminal this morning around Kirris Damer and what 130 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: England winning the Euros could mean for him. 131 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I am a fair weather football fan. I will 132 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: say that outright. Kirs Darmer is not the new UK 133 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: Prime Minister, of course, says he's played football basically every 134 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: weekend since the age of ten. He's a total die 135 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: hard fan. And of course the England men's football team 136 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: is on the brink, has got this one final now 137 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: perhaps this would be England winning the first major tournament 138 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: in six decades. And this piece is all about actually 139 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: how this could give a lift of the labor prime 140 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: minister because he is such an authentic footage fact. 141 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 2: But that's it. I mean, there's so many gaffes if 142 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: you go back through previous prime ministers of those pretending 143 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 2: to like football who don't really. I mean during the 144 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: election campaign, Richly seen asking people in Wales they're looking 145 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: forward to the Euros and Wales haven't even qualified for 146 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 2: the Euros. So I mean, look, this is a chance 147 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: for a prime minister who was a genuine fan to 148 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: have his moment a sort of a reminder of you know, 149 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: the picture of Emmanual macrom or France and in the 150 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 2: State of France when Frantz were winning as well. You know, 151 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: this is kind of incredible picture of him as well. 152 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 2: Perhaps they'll be a clere Starmer moment and in Berlin 153 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: as well this weekend. 154 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: Oh well, let's hope. So you're certainly for GAA. Southgate 155 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: and his team. Anyway, it's a very nice piece on 156 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: the Blueberg terminal for you this morning. Let's also they 157 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: think a little bit more about well, what was happening 158 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: in the US President Biden. You heard some snippets of it. 159 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: The audience was hanging on every word of President Biden's 160 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: first solo press confidence of this year. He vowed to 161 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: say in the president or race, but he made some 162 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: critical errors. He mistakenly introduced the Ukrainian President vlosom Is 163 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: Zelensky as Russia's president, and he also fumbled a question 164 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: about Vice President Kamala Harris. Joining us now to discuss 165 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: this is Ben Sills, our managing editor for European Government 166 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: and Economics. Ben, good morning, Thank you for being with us. 167 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it was a critical moment, wasn't it what emerged. 168 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, the trouble is for Biden is that every time 169 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 8: he speaks publicly like this, it's going to be it's 170 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 8: going to be a critical moment, and it's just it's 171 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 8: completely distracting from the business of governing, from what message 172 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 8: you might want to get out, and it's distracting for 173 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 8: the for the leaders around him. The mood that we 174 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 8: were picking up from the other NATO leaders. I was 175 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 8: kind of checking in with some of our reporters overnight 176 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 8: and the other the rest of the delegation is kind 177 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 8: of just feeling pretty sad about it. 178 00:09:58,080 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 9: You know. 179 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 8: They they are they like him, they respect him, they 180 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 8: have a lot of gratitude, I think for what he's 181 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 8: achieved in this term. But it's very difficult to watch 182 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 8: and you can't even really listen to what he's saying 183 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 8: because you're just kind of so worried that the next 184 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 8: thing that comes out of his mouth is going to 185 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 8: be going to it's going to involve some some kind 186 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 8: of mistake. 187 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: How much of a concern is this for those other 188 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: NATO countries as well? I mean, this was an event 189 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 2: where Joe Biden was front and center. There were big 190 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 2: and serious issues to be discussed. Are they concerned about, 191 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 2: you know, I suppose what happens next. 192 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 8: I think that they are probably concerned about how the 193 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 8: Democrats are going to deal with this. You know, we're 194 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 8: seeing increasing reports, there's a kind of steady drip over 195 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 8: the last several weeks of pressure on Biden to step aside. 196 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 8: There has to be concerned about the way it will 197 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 8: affect the race if that, you know, if if that, 198 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 8: if that process drags on, how how the Democrats will 199 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 8: execute that pivot to another another candidate, if indeed they do, 200 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 8: that will affect the race. They're obviously, you know, in 201 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,839 Speaker 8: the background, you have Donald Trump and another Donald Trump 202 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 8: presidency would obviously be uncomfortable for the Europeans, although they 203 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 8: have to a certain extent resigned themselves to to to 204 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 8: that to that to that possibility. I wouldn't say I 205 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 8: think it's a done deal, but they're very realistic about 206 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 8: the fact that it might happen. So it's there are 207 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 8: lots of dimensions that make this really really awkward for 208 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 8: the Europeans. But you know, final fundamentally is awkward thing 209 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 8: for Team Biden and his family and his advisers to 210 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 8: try and navigate. 211 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, and so yes, I mean if you 212 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: delve into the issues of what happens next, you know, 213 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: can the president stay in the re election race, and 214 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: what happens next in terms of the Democrats. I thought 215 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: the most interesting line, and I didn't understand this about 216 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: US politics, but the money that President Biden has raised, 217 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: that two hundred and thirty million dollars of cash, it 218 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: would only automatically be transferred to the vice president. It 219 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,359 Speaker 1: would take longer to transfer that money to another candidate. 220 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: So partly it's about the funding for the US presidential race. 221 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: What do you think might happen next? 222 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 8: I think that's one of the reasons why Kamala Harris 223 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 8: is the favorite to take over. I think that there 224 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 8: are also there's a lot I mean, there's a lot 225 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 8: of discussion about the prospects of her candidacy. At the 226 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 8: moment she has coulddition in the U. You speak to 227 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 8: colleagues in the US and they always say that that 228 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 8: Harris's is flawed, that there's some there's something missing in 229 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 8: the way that she approaches voters, and that she she 230 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 8: struggles to connect with them. I think that, however, if 231 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 8: she were to become the actual candidate, there is clearly 232 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 8: an opportunity for a reset there. It would be a risk, 233 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 8: but that you know that every option here is risky 234 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 8: for the Democrats because of the problem that the situation 235 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 8: they've got themselves into. I think, yeah, I think Harris 236 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 8: is the top name that you have to consider. 237 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: Okay, Ben Sales, thanks very much for joining us this morning, 238 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: our manager Gager for European Economics and Governments Now. After 239 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 2: a snap election in France resulted in a hung parliament, 240 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 2: President Macran's called to build a majority from the center 241 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: left and center right parties based to have been rejected. 242 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 2: The left wing alliance in the Popular Front and says 243 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 2: they have the mandate to nominate a prime minister. Mean, 244 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: while Bloomberg has learned the France we'll need to find 245 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 2: fifteen billion euros and savings or revenue to meet EU 246 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: budget demands. Joining us now for more from Paris is 247 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 2: rb OR chief Alan katz Allan, Good morning. So Macron's 248 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 2: idea of a centrist alliance has floundered. Where are we 249 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 2: this Friday morning in negotiations to former government? 250 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 10: Well, we're really not any further than we were before. 251 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 10: I mean, as you said, President de Mendel, Macom made 252 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 10: this call. 253 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 9: For parties to come together to create essentially a big, 254 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 9: mostly centrist alliance to foreign majority, and nobody's really heeded 255 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 9: that call, which is not particularly surprisingly given that he's 256 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 9: tried to do this before, whether it was first when 257 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 9: he called the election, you know, a bit more than 258 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 9: a month ago, or in twenty twenty two when you've 259 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 9: lost his absolute majority in parliament, and at that time 260 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 9: too also called for a big party, you know, people 261 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 9: of goodwill on the LA Left. 262 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 11: And the right to join him, and no one ever has. 263 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 11: So really it's it hasn't progressed. Each each side has 264 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 11: sort of camped in its position, or they refused to 265 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 11: have any sort of deal with sort of people are 266 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 11: more further away from them on the political. 267 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 10: Spectrum, and it's not really clear how that's going to progress. 268 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 9: So unfortunately, it's yeah, it's really it doesn't really appear 269 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 9: to be getting far. 270 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: Give us a flavor though of the reactions, because you know, 271 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: the New Popular Front it includes Fants und Baud, also 272 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: the Socialists, the Greens and the Communists. They have a 273 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: strong view and so too does Marie la Pen. It seems. 274 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 10: So they do. 275 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 9: They do have a strong use of the left, as 276 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 9: you pointed out, the New Popular Front, which is that 277 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 9: mix of of the parties that you just mentioned, the 278 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 9: first four that you just mentioned. They are trying to 279 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 9: come up with one name of a person to sort 280 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 9: of at least put forward as saying, this is the 281 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 9: person that we would nominate to be prime minister. Or 282 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 9: the way it works in France is that McCall himself 283 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 9: has the right to name whomever he wants as prime minister, 284 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 9: but it has to be someone who can survive in Parliament, 285 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 9: could survive a no confidence vach, who does need to 286 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 9: have the support of at least a big proportion of parliament, 287 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 9: even if not necessarily an absolute majority. So they're still 288 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 9: working on that. They haven't come up with a name yet. 289 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 9: They might have one. 290 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 10: They originally said they aim to have one. 291 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 11: By the end of this week, which had been today 292 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 11: or potentially the beginning of next week. 293 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 9: And they don't want to work with people on the 294 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 9: right now if you look at the right, and even 295 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 9: before you get to Marie Lepenz or the Republicans or 296 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 9: more the center right, they don't want to work with 297 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 9: anyone from France on Bout, which, as you mentioned, is 298 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 9: that far far left group that's part of the New 299 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 9: Popular Front and Maline lepenn similarly, though there's been some 300 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 9: mixed signals from the National Rally, there was an interview 301 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 9: by one of her deputies in the Figeo last night. 302 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 9: You said that they wouldn't necessarily immediately try to try 303 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 9: to go to a no confidence vote if there was 304 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 9: the left was running things in the pen then. 305 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 10: Backtracked on that. So it's not quite clear actually if 306 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 10: the far right, if the National. 307 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 9: Rally, would immediately try to put in a vote of 308 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 9: no confidence if there was a leftist government or not. 309 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 10: But they're really no one is aligned at this moment. 310 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: So and that's where we are in the politics and 311 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 2: not very far is what we're reducing from what you're 312 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 2: telling us this morning. The financials, though, are looking pretty intimidating. 313 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 2: Bloomberg reporting yesterday that the European Commission has told France 314 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 2: it's going to need to find savings or new revenue 315 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: of fifteen billion euros a year to be able to 316 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 2: be in compliance with EU budget rules. I mean, how 317 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 2: difficult is it going to be for the next government 318 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 2: to find that money? 319 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 9: Well, finding fifteen billion dollars of fifteen billion euros a 320 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 9: year would be quite difficult. 321 00:17:58,359 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 10: That's exactly what's going to happen. 322 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 9: And so the fifteen billion a year that you described, 323 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 9: that's what the EU or the Commission is saying that 324 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 9: France needs to do in order to comply with deficit 325 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 9: reduction procedures France, but essentially an opening negotiation and. 326 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 10: France is going to come back with its own responses. 327 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 9: The current finance minister is Buno La Maier has been 328 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 9: the finance minister for seven years. He continues to try 329 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 9: to push for big deficit reductions in France, essentially to 330 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 9: meet that target in part because there is the European 331 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 9: Union excessive deficit procedure, but also in part to reassure 332 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 9: bond markets that Frances is cutting its. 333 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 11: And it's deficit. But he's not going to be finance 334 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 11: minister for much longer. And it's really not clear how 335 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 11: France is actually going to respond to this, how it's 336 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 11: going to respond to the to the excessive deficit procedure. 337 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 9: Is it going to try to comply with EU rules? 338 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 9: Is it going to try to get the EU to 339 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,959 Speaker 9: reduce its sort of demands. Is it going to just 340 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 9: ignore it EU rules? In part it, I suppose it 341 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 9: depends on who on what government has formed and sort 342 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 9: of what political color it has, So that too is 343 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 9: really not obvious yet sort of exactly how that's going 344 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 9: to play out. There's almost sure to be some conflict 345 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 9: with the you, because there always is in these kinds 346 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 9: of negotiations, but whether it's sort of a traditional negotiation 347 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 9: between a big European country and the Commission over this 348 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 9: kind of death super something that's more more of a 349 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 9: real frontal conflict is yet to be seen. 350 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 351 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 352 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, Spotify, 353 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 354 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 2: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 355 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 356 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 1: Our flagship New York station, is also available on your 357 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: Amazon Alexa devices. 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