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Speaker 1: Welcome to the drop by Dale Lay here with Max

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Speaker 1: Starks and Matt Williams, and we are live at the

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Speaker 1: NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis, where in the next

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Speaker 1: hour here the event will start to take place.

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Speaker 2: We've got real football like activity going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, activity exactly except for the forty because that's the

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Speaker 3: track workout.

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Speaker 2: But Tyler, can you grab that TV over there and

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Speaker 2: haul it over? And I think anybody would mind, right, I

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Speaker 2: am on this side of the table because I got

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Speaker 2: a direct Yeah, drag it over. You have to change

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Speaker 2: all these cameras because we were just doing this.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so we'll finally after our on our third

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Speaker 1: day of being here doing shows and.

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Speaker 3: Something measurable and something quantifiable as things, right stuff That

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Speaker 3: guy's doing fast things.

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Speaker 1: Searching the internet like crazy to find measurements on some

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Speaker 1: of It's got to start trickling out.

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Speaker 2: Here at some point.

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Speaker 3: And the good thing is I got to hear some

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Speaker 3: of them because earlier today when you saw me rambling

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Speaker 3: around here, and then of course when I took that

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Speaker 3: hour versus Spy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was doing Spy versus Spy.

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize I was just I was just walking

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Speaker 3: around kind of kind of like mister bean. I was

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Speaker 3: just stumbling into things, uh, trying to find the way

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Speaker 3: in rooms. But then I was talking to some to

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Speaker 3: some staff and personnel, and some of the things kind

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Speaker 3: of leaked out as far as measurements and everything.

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Speaker 2: Grant. Grant came in.

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Speaker 3: I want to say, his arms were like thirty three

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Speaker 3: and three eighths inches.

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Speaker 2: Long, which is up. Yeah, but I wish he was

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Speaker 2: working out. You heard he's not going to go. He's

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Speaker 2: not going to go.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's getting the information here. I just love

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Speaker 1: that fran Duffy who is on here.

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Speaker 2: With brands out. I wanted to dig in that redsheet

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Speaker 2: he had gone. I was like, listen, can we just

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Speaker 2: hack this really right? Like, here's here's my email friend,

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Speaker 2: send that over. He's in the Arkansas game. He did

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Speaker 2: this and.

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Speaker 1: Shamar Stewart today checked in at two hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: seven pounds listed to two eighty one.

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Speaker 3: So he came in light. He came in light. Yeah, run, yeah,

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Speaker 3: he wants to run. Yeah, And I think you think he's.

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Speaker 2: More of a four to three end than like a

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Speaker 2: three four he's yeah, yeah at all? I mean, and

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Speaker 2: the way I don't I think he's getting like would

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Speaker 2: be good for him.

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Speaker 3: He would be good because he's going to need that,

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Speaker 3: you know, because he doesn't and he needs to run

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Speaker 3: well because he didn't.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't run well in game. His recognition and stuff

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Speaker 2: for a little suspect. Yeah, it's poor vision. I hate

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Speaker 2: to say it is it's bad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I know he's projected as a first round talent,

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Speaker 3: So I'm not I'm not sitting here pitch poshing on him.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying from my experience, from my vantage point,

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Speaker 3: when I've called games with Texas A and M, it

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Speaker 3: has not looked like what we thought it was. Because

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Speaker 3: we had to talk earlier in the week. They had

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Speaker 3: the number one recruiting class two years in a row.

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Speaker 3: He was a part of one of those. And the

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Speaker 3: amount of youth in the experience that he's played with,

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Speaker 3: I didn't see the growth in there in that time.

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Speaker 2: There more athlete than football player. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Who weighed to sixty four immobile? Yeah, which was two

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Speaker 1: weeks ago, yes, three weeks ago? Now to forty four

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Speaker 1: for this event?

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Speaker 2: What how does twenty pounds? I need to know? Can

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Speaker 2: somebody send me that? Right? I mean, I would love

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Speaker 2: going that two week diet, right, two weeks twenty pound

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Speaker 2: serious man going that two week diet.

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Speaker 3: I would not own a shirt if I got down

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Speaker 3: twenty pounds. You guys would see me in there. I

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Speaker 3: just have a Steeler tattoo somewhere on my body to

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Speaker 3: make sure you know I was a part of the team.

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Speaker 1: Well as someone who did lose twenty pounds the bad way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't recommend that matter. I don't want

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Speaker 2: that one.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so, I mean guys come in here, they

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Speaker 1: get lighter, yeah for this event because they want to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sculpt your body that much different that quick.

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Speaker 3: But god, gotta love sports science, right right, Hey, who

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Speaker 3: are those dieticians? Let me know what what facility are

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Speaker 3: you at again?

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Speaker 2: Have you watched a bunch of prints? You? Okay, he's

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Speaker 2: I love my school, but no, I think he's really interesting.

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Speaker 2: It's just like a pure third down edge rusher, close out,

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Speaker 2: good team guy, you know, I mean like on a

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Speaker 2: good team. I mean, like you're lead, you bring this

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Speaker 2: guy in and yeah, I don't think he's a panther,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean run down and you know, down

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Speaker 2: after down. He's kind of a specialist but his flashes

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean, And here's the thing. I've seen

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Speaker 3: a little bit of him. Man, yeah, he said. You know,

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Speaker 3: you see the highlights and you're just like, oh, that

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Speaker 3: looks really nice. But like I said, I want to

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Speaker 3: see what the other two.

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Speaker 2: Downs look like. And the's not as good, and it's

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Speaker 3: So it's like, like you said, if I have the

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Speaker 3: luxury of I already have my my first second down,

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Speaker 3: first and second guy, and I can rotate him in

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Speaker 3: the position like a herbig Yeah, then I take him.

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Speaker 2: But you know you obviously other knee.

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Speaker 1: It's precipice there get ahead of our Oh good, I

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Speaker 1: all found it here. Uh so darr s Alexander out

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Speaker 1: of Toledo. Yes, an interesting guy came in at six

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Speaker 1: three and seven eights so almost sixty four just call

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Speaker 1: it six four, three hundred and five pounds, ten inch hands.

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Speaker 1: What are your hands mine? Or like eleven? So yeah,

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Speaker 1: like eleven and a quarter?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ten it's big though, BIG's good. Thirty four inch arms,

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Speaker 2: You go.

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Speaker 1: Uh wingspan eighty two.

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Speaker 2: And seven eighths. Jesus, he must have a wide chest.

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Speaker 1: Sholder the shoulders yeah really wide.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see here what else we got?

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Speaker 2: Uh, what about Graham? Graham short arms?

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Speaker 1: Mason Graham came in six three and three four eight,

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Speaker 1: so six three and a half yeah, two ninety six.

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Speaker 1: He wants to drop weight to run, drop weight to run. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: hands nine in an eighth tiny hands, yeah, thirty two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna hurt him. Yeah, yeah, that is gonna

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Speaker 2: hurt him. We kind of knew when he stopped playing

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Speaker 2: football that everything after that was gonna be bad, you know,

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Speaker 2: for his draft process, For interviews, I'm not sure his

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Speaker 2: interviews are fine. But the more I watch him, the

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Speaker 2: less I like him too. He's on the ground a lot.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's listed at like three twenty. He's on

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Speaker 3: You know, he flails and like you said that right

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Speaker 3: there is what you said two ninety six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what right, right right? His teammate real quick

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Speaker 2: on Graham. I I heard someone cite this stat that

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Speaker 2: he hasn't missed many tackles because his arms are so short.

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Speaker 2: Though he doesn't he missed, he doesn't. He doesn't credit

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Speaker 2: count for because they run right by him. Yeah, he

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Speaker 2: extends out and have a lot of range.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he catches everything that's hit at him, but he

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Speaker 1: can't go deep into the hole made.

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Speaker 3: So he doesn't make many air you know, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: exactly like he's not taking that gap between short and

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Speaker 3: second on his side, you know what I'm say, Yeah, hey,

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Speaker 3: second basement, you might have to get to their center fielder.

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Speaker 2: Come on up for me because I'm not getting there. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of times he just doesn't get a

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Grant six three and five eighths okay take it,

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Speaker 1: three thirty one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's he trimmed out. He trim down as well.

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Speaker 1: He's not even working out here he expected to plan.

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Speaker 2: He's yeah, hamstring because he's out of XO Dallas. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The hands size is ten and eighth that's good. Thirty

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Speaker 1: three and a half inch arms over.

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Speaker 3: Thirty three you'll take yeah, right, thirty three is that

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Speaker 3: you don't fall in love with it, but you'll take it.

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Speaker 2: I was guessing longer eighty two and five eh wingspan

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Speaker 2: on him. He's got a huge chest in every human being. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's a long human being.

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Speaker 3: All those check the boxes, Josh Farmer, that's the one

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Speaker 3: I want, I want gargantuan six.

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Speaker 1: Three and two eighths yep, all right, three oh five?

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Speaker 1: Oh he lost weight to ten and a quarter inch hands,

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Speaker 1: thirty five inch arms?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yes, four nos. I love now.

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Speaker 3: I love that mission right there, because that's separation at

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Speaker 2: Short stumpy centers right. Yeah, the reach is hard.

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Speaker 3: We call that to get back, Yeah, get back, get back,

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Speaker 3: get away from me, you know, type of movement. So

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Speaker 3: that makes double teams a lot tougher on him because

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Speaker 3: of that, and that also gives him now space to

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Speaker 2: Another guy in that range who I would strongly consider

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Speaker 2: farmer in the second round, Alfred Collins. I bet he

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Speaker 2: has a measurable Yeah, six.

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Speaker 1: Five and five eighths. Yeah, three hundred and thirty two pounds.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thirty holds it pretty well though, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Thirty four and five eighth sench Arms got an eighty

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Speaker 2: Oh jeez, yeah, that's a pterodactyl. Yeah, why, yeah, he

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Speaker 2: definitely can't. He was stuck between, you know, behind two

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Speaker 2: top forty overall picks last week. You're at the tackle.

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Speaker 2: I think he goes around that neighborhood forty ish to

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Speaker 2: fifty is Yeah, another one I consider in the second

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Speaker 2: round too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, another one of those big nose tackle types. Big

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Speaker 1: hog Molly's u yaha black Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he's giant. Just look at him at the

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Speaker 2: sceenior role.

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Speaker 1: Six five and six eights, three thirty six, thirty five

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Speaker 1: inch wing span, thirty five inch arms Yeah, with a

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Speaker 1: eighty three and seven inch or eighty three seven eighth

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Speaker 1: since wingspan.

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Speaker 2: So he's not as bad as like the one walker,

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Speaker 2: but he can play high here and there too, I mean,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, he is a load.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah physical. You reminds me of Tommy Kelly. You

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Speaker 3: remember Tommy Kelly state. He's not as tall as Tommy

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Speaker 3: as tom was six seven but the same but the

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Speaker 3: same arm length.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, a huge human being.

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Speaker 1: Derreck Carmon okay, six four and a half right, tall

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Speaker 1: enough to ride to ride three thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, drop some weight yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: Uh thirty four and three eighths on the arm length

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Speaker 1: of eighty three and six eighths on the wingspan, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can do some.

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Speaker 2: Work that passes. Yeah, that passes. He's big enough. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: not to get too creepy, but I would have liked

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Speaker 2: to see him in the underwear, to be honest with you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: his lower bodies, he's top heavy, he's very top Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Walter Nolan, Yes, six three and six eighths ninety six.

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Speaker 1: So nine and a half inch's never gonna play with

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's not great, yes, not great now, the hands

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, uh Ty Robinson. Oh yeah, let's hear this

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So a lot of these guys little shorter arms

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Speaker 1: Uh, same thing with Nazir Stackou six three and six

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Speaker 2: God, it's like they all went to the same store

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a little short, not like terribly short but little

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Speaker 1: All the defensive tackles and edge rushers all in the same.

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Speaker 3: Wowkay, thirty three and a half inch arms? Okay, thirty

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Speaker 1: Shamar Turner six three ninety thirty three and five eighths

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Speaker 2: That's not bad at all. He might be my favorite

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Speaker 2: Three inch arms. No, some teams just have requirements just

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Speaker 1: Tyler Williams six two and seven eighths three thirty four

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Speaker 2: Nope, yeah, nope, Like how how just a guest, do

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Speaker 2: Andrews big time receiver too, exactly. Sort this all, okay,

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Speaker 1: Site we'll be running, so this is all for your

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Speaker 1: NFL next gen stature, and I can actually sort these

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Speaker 1: that when we come back. That's Max Starks, that's Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 1: I am Dale, Lallie, you're listening to the drive here

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Speaker 1: on the Steelers Audio Network and Fox Sports Pittsburgh. We're

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Speaker 1: live at the NFL Scouting Combine here in Indianapolis. The

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Speaker 2: Even more so when we come back. Right after this.

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Speaker 1: Our back, I am Dale lay here with Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 2: Max Starks stepped.

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Speaker 1: Away for a moment to go do Max Stark's stuff.

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Speaker 1: And as we're talking there at the leading into the break,

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Speaker 2: Really yeah wow, Yaha.

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Speaker 2: That adds up. I mean he's just big everywhere. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: Vernon Broughton the defensive tackle out of Texas thirty five

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's again he looked the build is

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Speaker 1: So he just missed the cutoff there still over thirty

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Speaker 2: Wow, that reminds me of like Darius Leonard and all

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Speaker 1: Derek Carmon was thirty four and three eighths the defensive

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean that's a little lighter than I would

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Jewels, defensive tackle out of South Carolina, thirty four

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Speaker 1: Uh Dian Walker not surprisingly enough, thirty four at a

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Speaker 2: That's probably lean for him, too good for these guys

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's he has thirty four and eighth inch arms,

438
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:55,720
Speaker 1: so he.

439
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:56,720
Speaker 2: Could be the Steelers nose.

440
00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had like Schamar Stewart at six five on

441
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 1: the on the button and two sixty seven to thirty

442
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,280
Speaker 1: four and an eighth inch arms. Terius Alexander, as I mentioned,

443
00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 1: was thirty four on the nose, so he's now.

444
00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,919
Speaker 2: He didn't looking the parts on his issue either. Yeah.

445
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,800
Speaker 1: Donovan as a reco the edge rusher out of Boston

446
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 1: College uh measured in at six to two and a

447
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,399
Speaker 1: half two forty eight with thirty four inch arms.

448
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:25,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think he's gonna go pretty high. Yeah.

449
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 1: John Joyner edge rusher out of Minnesota six four in

450
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 1: a quarter to sixty two with thirty four inch arms.

451
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 2: He's another long, good looking dude. Yeah.

452
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 1: Kyle Cannard six four two fifty four the edge rusher

453
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 1: out of South Carolina, thirty four inch arms. Prince you

454
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 1: mentioned he came in just under thirty four inch arms.

455
00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,120
Speaker 1: Th edge guys three and seven length, Yeah, but six

456
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 1: four two six four and three eighths two forty four.

457
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 1: Omar Norman Lott. I bet he's short, six to one

458
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 1: and seven eighths. Yeah, I was gonna think he was

459
00:20:58,560 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 1: like six to one even.

460
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 2: He came in at two hundred ninety one pounds. He's

461
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,120
Speaker 2: really explosive. Yeah. I'm not sure if he's a steeler fit,

462
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 2: but he's at least an interior situational pass rusher, but

463
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 2: he's got a lot upside to him.

464
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,919
Speaker 1: J two two amloa uh six' four in a quarter

465
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 1: two sixty five for.

466
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 2: Him he's a well, built thick.

467
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:21,120
Speaker 1: Guy, Yeah Schamar turner sixty three in an eighth two

468
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:27,359
Speaker 1: ninety for. Him Elijah roberts ed rusher out OF smu

469
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 1: six three and a half two eighty.

470
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: Five, OKAY i don't know much about.

471
00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:37,320
Speaker 1: Him you Had Tommy Atkin, besote defensive tackle out Of

472
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,439
Speaker 1: maryland sixty three and six eighths three oh.

473
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 2: Six he is thirty three and a half inch. Arms

474
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,600
Speaker 2: i'm curious what his counterpart At maryland. Is i'm a

475
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 2: believer in that, Guy Philips.

476
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,840
Speaker 1: Warren, brinceton the other defensive tackle Out.

477
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 2: Georgia, yeah six.

478
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,199
Speaker 3: Five and two eights three. Fifteen just he did he.

479
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 3: Does he doesn't correlate like he was there With Jalen Jalen.

480
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 3: Carter he was there With Jordan. Davis he was supposed

481
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 3: to be the next next. Coming oh he was a super. Recruit,

482
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 3: yeah he was a super recruit and he just never.

483
00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 3: Materialized he was a GUY i Mean i've been hearing

484
00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 3: about for the last four years about oh this is

485
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 3: the next, one and he and everybody kept leap frogging.

486
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 3: Him you, know even Even dawkins got in before him

487
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 3: in a lot of. Situations he was a big body

488
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 3: for run. Stuffing but that was about.

489
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: It what's v On? Joe maybe the goes? On, yeah, yeah,

490
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 2: yeah he's think he's an edge though he plays like an.

491
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 3: Edge he plays like an. Edge he's forceful with his.

492
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 3: Hands inconsistent with the. Motor was the only thing THAT

493
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 3: i had BECAUSE i had it saved on the last two.

494
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 3: Years And i've been, like when he's, on oh he's.

495
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 3: On he, Did, yeah he can wreck shop when he's.

496
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 3: On but the problem is consistency in the motor because

497
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 3: you look at the film from one game to the,

498
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 3: next because you'll turn on The arkansas film and, say oh,

499
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 3: okay and then you'll turn on The Old miss film

500
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 3: and be like go go this, year you, know and

501
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 3: that that's the one THING I I I and he

502
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 3: has some injuries two years, ago you, know he was

503
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 3: battling through some, injuries you, know because also and then

504
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 3: Also Harrold perkins WAS i, mean that was the. Guy,

505
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 3: Yeah Harrold perkins was attraction he's another. One he has

506
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 3: a tweener right type of look to him where you don't,

507
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 3: know CAN i put him in three? Point does he

508
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 3: have to stay exclusively at two? Point you, know how

509
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 3: far off the ball can you get?

510
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 2: Him you? Know does what was?

511
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: Like?

512
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? So but uh But, SAVION i MEAN i like.

513
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 3: The raw athletic ability and LIKE i, said when the tape,

514
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 3: pops the tape. Pops but then, yeah it's not it's

515
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 3: not consistent enough for.

516
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 2: ME i like the other edge on at l S

517
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 2: u two slipping there talking about to and he's more

518
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 2: of a three four outside linebacker type. Two, yeah he's

519
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 2: a more stand up. GUY i CAN'T i can't remember his.

520
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 1: Name max does a surprise. You of everybody who was measured,

521
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: Today walker was going to be the tallest guy. Here

522
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 1: he's six six seven and three.

523
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,439
Speaker 2: Eighths. Yeah Cam jackson was just was the second tallest.

524
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: Guy that one doesn't. SURPRISE i was going to ask

525
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 2: you what Was Cam jackson's, numbers and they're.

526
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 1: Good six six and two eights three twenty.

527
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 2: Eight oh that's pretty lean for.

528
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 3: Him was very, lean lean. Down, yeah he got he

529
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,640
Speaker 3: cut the baby. Fat, yeah and long arms.

530
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: Too he was he his long arms thirty four and

531
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: eighth in charms nine and a half? Inchance who was

532
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: who was.

533
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: The one that under nine in chance had the thirty

534
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: four Inres yeah that WAS i CAN'T i, forget but

535
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: that was that's. Eight it was like eight and.

536
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: Change he is with thirty four in charms.

537
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: Like Not, JACKSON i forget who it. Was carneyes smells

538
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 2: like right, right that's the first.

539
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 3: Hand, yeah he's got the D they Got tyler, hands.

540
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: The dead pull baby.

541
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: Hands but looking at that that height Landon, jackson the

542
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: edge rusher out of nobody's surprised by This arkansas sixty.

543
00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 2: Six, yeah he's long. Too in sixty four he plays

544
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: like in that dresser, Though like some of these, guys

545
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 2: you can't just assume we're gonna be three. Four you

546
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: put weight on him and make him three four n.

547
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 1: Type Jared ivy came in just under that at sixty

548
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: five and seven eights two seventy four at a whole Miss, yeah,

549
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 1: yaha black he. BLEW i mean he's just big six

550
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: five and, six age three thirty six with thirty five.

551
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 2: Inch arms like thirty Five, yeah, yeah that's just that's

552
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 2: just a.

553
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 3: Man that gives me The John henderson. Vibes you know

554
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: What i'm. Saying John henderson's similar style six six and a,

555
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 3: halfish but his arms are just like a ring of,

556
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 3: tangs you know What i'm. Saying and the Bus yeah,

557
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 3: yeah it's like he's all uniform. Team yeah, yeah not

558
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 3: like he was a bad football, player but, yeah yeah,

559
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 3: exactly but yeah you walk that guy off the.

560
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: Bus him And, Stroud, no it was him And, hainesworth it.

561
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 3: Was symour And, Stroud seymour's AND i played against all those.

562
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 3: Guys could you JUST i, mean just let's go back

563
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 3: to two thousand.

564
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: Sec, football will.

565
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 3: You it's like you go up and it's, like, Hey,

566
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 3: Florida georgia, week, okay, Cool Stroud stroud what and then

567
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 3: you Got Boss bailey as as your, linebacker.

568
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 2: Clean all the, Tea, yeah he doesn't have any.

569
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 3: Issues and then you go Against Henderson hainsworth At tennessee

570
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 3: and then Will Over street's at the end on the opposite,

571
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 3: side so it's, like holy.

572
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: Crap in that same year you probab didn't play against

573
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 2: Was hampton And Rogers yeah big, baby.

574
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah Yeah Sean rogers case he had To. Texas

575
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 3: thank god they were still in the everybody At big,

576
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 3: twelve two of. Them, yeah, yeah you had you had

577
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 3: a dynamic duo BECAUSE i mean even FOR us we

578
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 3: Had Gerard, warren but it Was Alex brown.

579
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 2: That was edge. Guy so they had a side to.

580
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 3: Them and then you Had Andre davis sitting there at middle,

581
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 3: backer and so it was like if you didn't have,

582
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 3: that let's not even have the. Conversation you, Know kentucky

583
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 3: was out of. That vanderbilt was out of that. Conversation early,

584
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 3: On auburn also had a couple of had had two

585
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 3: big dues AND i can't remember their names right, now

586
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 3: and then you had and then you Had Chad lavalat

587
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 3: and those guys over AT l S u and their.

588
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 3: Interiors SO i mean the early two like, YOU i

589
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 3: can remember with these.

590
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: Duos being over.

591
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: Still steelers were still at the three Of Her stadium

592
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: at the, time and for some REASON i had to

593
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: be over by the visiting locker. ROOM i was interviewing

594
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: somebody or. Something when The titans were coming out of

595
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: their locker. Room they had to come out and walk

596
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 1: down this rampway and they Had henderson and who's the

597
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: Other henderson and the first two guys out of the locker,

598
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 1: room And i'm looking at those two dudes And i'm,

599
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 1: like you gotta be. Kidding nobody runs against The titans

600
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: teams length look.

601
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: Good that was the Old jaguar, squad because that's whut

602
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 3: these guys end up playing with each, other play with

603
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: each other later on in, life and you're just, like holy.

604
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 3: Crap and then For, Seymour seymour had Will ford. Next

605
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 3: the whole, Time i'm, Like i'm, like, bro like this

606
00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: is what what are we?

607
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: Doing? Yeah we.

608
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 3: Do and then of Course i'm, like well we GOT

609
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: hampmiti got ok.

610
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 2: Too, yeah we got some good ones.

611
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 3: Too But i'm not going against those guys on, Say

612
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 3: i'm going against these guys. DAY i don't want to

613
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 3: see these because these are these are not WHAT i

614
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: see during the.

615
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 2: Week, yeah all those BUT i found this out real

616
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 2: quick in my recruiting. World a pit that all those

617
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 2: guys go to like six different, schools you, know the

618
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 2: d tackles that looked like, that And pitt wasn't one of.

619
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 2: Them you get An Aaron donald right right every twenty

620
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: Years Sean gilbert because he was back then they got. Them,

621
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 2: yeah he was.

622
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: Local you pray that guy grows on. Trees but like you,

623
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 3: said especially in The South, South, yeah you keep those.

624
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: GUYS i mean you're talking about Like, Georgia alabama and

625
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 3: Like South. Carolina like in that reason then of Course,

626
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 3: tech Well texas his own.

627
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: Country it feels like for football right back, then Like,

628
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 2: tech The university Of, texas ROSTER i used to study

629
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: it had one of their scholarships was not From, texas just. One,

630
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: yeah like they didn't they never. Bothered they didn't go

631
00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: to the W why do we need to go anywhere?

632
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: Else and maybe you get an outlier from Like california

633
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: if may skill position maybe and they might lose a

634
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: guy To oklahoma that grew up In texas, Maybe, yeah

635
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: maybe about.

636
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 3: It, yeah and back when football was still, regionalized right, yeah,

637
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: Yeah cali guys stayed On, Cali New jersey.

638
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: Guys state Of florida guys In, miami In, Florida florida.

639
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 3: State, yeah we kept a lot of our stuff in,

640
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: state you, know for, us but we but we did

641
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 3: reach across like you, Know, Georgia, Alabama, Florida South, Carolina North.

642
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 3: Carolina like you had you had to fight With. Clemson

643
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: you had to fight a lot of schools In. Alabama but,

644
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 3: yeah everybody was homogenized in the reach and you play

645
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 3: you played a lot of your buddies that are local town.

646
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: Buddies, YEAH i mean crosstown rivalries was.

647
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: Ridiculous you, know you get there PLAY fsu and like

648
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: half your teammates from high school are ON fsu.

649
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 2: And you're the one that.

650
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 3: Left or we did The Florida Georgia All Star game

651
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 3: my senior year of high, school and it was literally

652
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: like it was like Red Rover Red, Rover like the

653
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: guys that are on The florida to that are playing

654
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: for Like Georgia Georgia tech would go over, there and

655
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: then The georgia guys that were playing For florida schools

656
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: will be over. There Because Vince wilfork AND i were

657
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: on the Same Florida All star. Teams oh, okay, yeah

658
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: and so we had like we had like Him Ben

659
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,959
Speaker 3: troop was A georgia, guy but he was playing For

660
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 3: Florida Kiaron Fox. Fox he played in that. Game he

661
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: was on The georgia. Side he was going To Georgia

662
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: tech at the. Time so and then, funny we all

663
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 3: end up like in the. League so, yeah it was

664
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: just but that that was the type of thing you

665
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: did back then those.

666
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: Ask you this.

667
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: Match one of the issues that you sometimes, have particularly

668
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: with linebackers who played behind a really good defensive line like,

669
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: That you're not always going to have that at THE nfl, Level, yes.

670
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: Unless you go To. Philly yeah you're From. Georgia but.

671
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: Some of these guys need to Be they need to

672
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: be covered up and free to. Run one of the

673
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: things that drives me nuts about they talk about a

674
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: linebacker he really struggles getting off. Blocks, yeah because the

675
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: guard's firing out on the guard has one hundred pounds on. Him,

676
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: yeah he's gonna struggle getting on off that.

677
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: Block.

678
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah who isn't going to, struggle especially we has a

679
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 3: free shot at the linebacker who's not looking at the.

680
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: Guard he's looking at the guy in the backfield that

681
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: the guard is to try and reverse block on.

682
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: You and that's the. Thing they. Want these linebackers be

683
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: coverage guys now. Too they gotta they gotta Guard kittle

684
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: And kelsey and two.

685
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: Hundred and thirty. Pounds they're not two Hundred they're Not Levon. Kirkland, yeah,

686
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: Exactly and, honestly do you Want Levin kirkland Covering George?

687
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: Kittle?

688
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: No But Travis kelsey is, like just give that guy

689
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty yards, receiving you know What i'm.

690
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: Saying so it's like you ask the linebackers to do

691
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: so much and then it's, like, well what's the resource

692
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 3: in front of?

693
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: Him?

694
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah are you going.

695
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: To give him a clean lane to run through if

696
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 3: he is going to be back there and have to fire?

697
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: Through and also in, coverage you, know is his is

698
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 3: his eye discipline? There LIKE i, MEAN i care like

699
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: for linebackers the lateral capabilities Like Peyton, wilson like, right you,

700
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: know can you go sideline the sideline LIKE i. SEE

701
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: i want to see that first because then we could

702
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: work on the other, stuff, right because that's a personnel

703
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: issue and that's a matchup issue on what you're.

704
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: Responsible but a.

705
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: Way to help those guys is to draft, defensive have

706
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: those defensive linemen in front Of that's Why James Ferrier love.

707
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: Always wanted a man like why can't we run based

708
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: all the time all the? Time And Ray lewis Wanted

709
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: Tony Sarah goos.

710
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 3: Right And Sam adams And sam and then and then

711
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: he Gets Helodi. Nada you know What i'm, Saying, like you,

712
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: know that's Why i'm really. Good that's why the guy's

713
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 3: in The hall Of. Fame, listen if he if he

714
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: played for The New York jets back in the, day

715
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: he wouldn't be in The hall Of. Fame he'd just Be,

716
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: hey Remember Ray lewis that guy that played for like

717
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: six Years. Jets he's pretty. Good but you play Behind,

718
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: goose you play Behind sam and all those, dudes four,

719
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: guys and and then he gets to do what he.

720
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: Does he gets to run on an angle and also

721
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: run away From Hines.

722
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 2: Ward my, Hunches lambert Appreciate Joe green And holmes as.

723
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 2: Well a new. Thing this isn't a new science and the.

724
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: Son but, yeah but you need those big dtackles if

725
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 3: you want your linebacker to be the best that they can.

726
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: Be and you can see that they could really. Do

727
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 3: put two big bee feeders up in front of. Them

728
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 3: and now NOW i know you got some.

729
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: What's all about what we're talking about in this, particular

730
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: that's The steelers right.

731
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: Now Patrick queen's on a take on. GUY i Figured.

732
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: I'm tying the room to king right now. Together i'm

733
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: like the carpet here and we didn't pee on. Me

734
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: let's get through another. Break we are here live at

735
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: THE Nfl Scouting combine here In. Indianapolis I'm Dale lolly

736
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: here With Max starks And Matt. Williamson we are here

737
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: till five o'clock today On Steelers Nation radio And Fox Sports.

738
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh we'll be back with more right after this. One

739
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: coverage of THE Nfl Scouting combine here On Steelers Nation

740
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: radio And Fox Sports. Pittsburgh I'm Dale lolly here With

741
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: Max starks And Matt, williamson your team from the for the.

742
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: Drive we've been driving an extra hour, today so we

743
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: were about sixty three hour. Drive, yeah we're about sixty

744
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 1: to seventy miles farther than where we typically.

745
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: Get absolutely making good time, though making great, time very comfortable.

746
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: Ride we've been looking through some of these heights and weights.

747
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: Here the defensive we had, linebackers edge, rushers and defensive

748
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: ends and tackles all getting measured in. Today guy's the

749
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: heaviest player. Here who would you have bet on as

750
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: the HEAVIEST.

751
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: I probably would have Guessed, walker BUT i, know you

752
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: know you mentioned and he wasn't the, heaviest BUT i

753
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 2: would have guessed. That, man he's barely in the top ten,

754
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: actually which is kind of. Wild. WOW i know he trimmed, down,

755
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: right Jay toya out OF.

756
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: Ucla oh, yeah, yeah six to two even on the,

757
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: nose stumper on the nose, Literally, yeah three hundred and

758
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: forty two.

759
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: Pounds, Okay, yeah that's a big.

760
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: Boy and, yeah probably trimmed down a little bit.

761
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: Too. Yeah, Yeah i'm sure he's not coming in.

762
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: Here, YEAH i wanted to, SAY i want to say

763
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: he was three sixty in college BECAUSE i had him

764
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: two years ago for THE usc uclaw that That Caleb

765
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 3: williams final dance where he decided he he wanted to

766
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 3: cry in his mom's shoulder and then not do any.

767
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 3: Interviews i'm still gonna hold that against because we were

768
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: supposed to do a postgame interview with.

769
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: HIM i don't blame it on his, birthday so.

770
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: Yeah and Also i'm not crying That Caleb williams is

771
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 3: not doing well In.

772
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: Chicago so but.

773
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 3: Yeah But, Jaytoya, yeah because he was, humongous you, know and.

774
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: Baby And Baby blue as.

775
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: Well with, that with those gold pants to good luck,

776
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 3: flattering all flattering at.

777
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 2: All light, colors never do a big man. Justice i'm

778
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: guessing he's like the black uniforms better than The steelers.

779
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: White oh, yeah but the.

780
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: Bumblebees the, listen if we could Just sidebard for a

781
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 3: second for this horizontal.

782
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: Strikes so when we got.

783
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 3: To the horizontal, Strikes i'll never forget this Because wolf

784
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 3: came up and interviewed me like after after like picture,

785
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 3: day you know where we had to put the uniform

786
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 3: on with no. Pads and he, Goes Max, man so

787
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 3: what do you think of these these? Bumblebees and it's

788
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: not that it is the horizontal stripes. Alone it was

789
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 3: the fixed patches for the numbers that you lose elasticity

790
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 3: in that whole entire era because it's so down and

791
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 3: so we were trying to get in and out of.

792
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: It So wolf couse With maxim, man what do you

793
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: think about these bumblebee? Uniforms AND i tell, HER i,

794
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 3: said no self respecting fat man puts on horizontal, Stripes

795
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: And i'll never forget we all we. Had first of,

796
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 3: all hamp had to get cut out of The hamptons

797
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 3: like the. Poster he had to get.

798
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: Cut out of.

799
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 3: It they had to add extra material on the side

800
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:33,959
Speaker 3: when we actually had.

801
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: To play in.

802
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 3: It, Pants, yeah let alone those. Pants and then for

803
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 3: juice FOR chriski and we ought to. Juice it took

804
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 3: four of us to get the shirt off of. Him

805
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 3: it took four human beings to get out of that post.

806
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: Game it was the.

807
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 3: WORST i was, like, LISTEN i get you, know, hey

808
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 3: killer be that was the worst throwback they could have.

809
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: POSSIBLY i was, LIKE i would have worn the block

810
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 3: numbers like, that make it, simple you.

811
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: Know but that was the.

812
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: Worst the ONE i loved actually the, best even THOUGH

813
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: i hated the. PANTS i wish we would have had

814
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 3: wore gold pants with. It but the but the seventy

815
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: fifth anniversary with the black with the gold, numbers the

816
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 3: block style, NUMBERS i. LOVED i loved that. Jersey that

817
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: was a really cool. One but, yeah the, bumble that,

818
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 3: Crap oh my. God, well and it was that. One

819
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 3: and they remember in the, Nineties Kevin green and, them

820
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 3: they had the vertical strikes with the Big city the

821
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 3: city logo on right and and the patch in the.

822
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: CORNER i was, like, no, no thank, you please don't

823
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 3: bring that. One bad look in the, nineties it was.

824
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: Terrible but the vertical strikes are. Slimming it's they, are

825
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: but but the configuration once, AGAIN i don't like to

826
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 3: have a big patch that's fixed because lose the. Stretchy

827
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 3: no takeaway from, stretchy you know when you're going with.

828
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: THAT i wasn't big on The bears Or packers throwback

829
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: jerseys that are like the. Thirties, yeah those are.

830
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: TERRIBLE i mean it looks like a, sweater, sweater the

831
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 3: rug something right, exactly and you definitely need a leather

832
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 3: helmet to put that joy.

833
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: On these are two we threw, him throw him back

834
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 2: way too, far, yeah. Exactly we need to, modernized at least.

835
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: Getting back to those defensive tackle. Sizes the weight. Sizes uh.

836
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 2: Yaha black was second there as.

837
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: Well three thirty.

838
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: Six, yeah just a big. Man, yeah he's. HUGE i

839
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: MEAN i wouldn't expecting him to get too. LOW i

840
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: Think smith is close. Too From.

841
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: Bama Elijah simmons out Of tennessee three thirty.

842
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: Four, okay that's at six to. One that's a six. One,

843
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 2: wow that's really stumpy on the. Nose he's just one. Even,

844
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 2: yeah and he's on the nose and he will only

845
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 2: be on the. Nose. Yeah.

846
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: Yeah Tyler williams six two and seven eight three thirty

847
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: four as, well three three hundred thirty two. Pounds Was Jamari. Caldwell,

848
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: okay he moves. Well Though coldwell fascinates.

849
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: Me he. Doesn't he's got a lot of jelly in the,

850
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 2: belly but here he gets.

851
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 3: Movie he gives me those to And Andre sweat type

852
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: vibes athleticism, wise you know What i'm, Saying, LIKE i

853
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: Love Devandre.

854
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 2: Sweat last, YEAR i was like that we were gonna

855
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: go for it last.

856
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: Year, yeah that's WHO i wanted because, yeah, YEAH i

857
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: watched that dude in The big twelve championship, game you,

858
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: know and he absolutely wreck shop and caught a touchdown

859
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: like he was athletic.

860
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: Forty something he last. Year, yeah he was like three forty. Two, yeah,

861
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: yeah which was slim down for. HIM i guess hit

862
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: four hundred in his career his. LIFE i think he

863
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: was up to like four. Hundred that was one of

864
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: the concerns was he was going to eat himself out

865
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: of THE. Nfl, yeah but his athlete right so far

866
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 2: has been forgive a. Dietician.

867
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: Yeah Alfred collins also came in at three thirty, two

868
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: but he's six.

869
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 3: Five, yeah so he done the six one. Guy, yeah

870
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 3: a lot different composition.

871
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: Wise Kenneth grant was three thirty, one as Was Diane.

872
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: Walker Dean walker came with three thirty three thirty one six,

873
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: seven three thirty.

874
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: One that means that's like four percent body. Fat, yeah

875
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: yeah for, Him, yeah a lot.

876
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: Exactly Cam jackson three twenty.

877
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 2: Eight.

878
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah in This zier stackhouse three twenty. Seven, okay so

879
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: there's a lot of nose tackle. Options so you rattled

880
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: up things and and.

881
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 2: There's a ton of those times and, there and there's

882
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: sexy numbers in, there you.

883
00:39:59,160 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: Know.

884
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, well when we, started it was, like, hey we're

885
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 3: going off a. Potential but when you start hearing some

886
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: of those those, measurables you start having a little bit

887
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 3: what we'd like to call the. Forgivables you know What i'm.

888
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 3: Saying it's, like, hey we don't need him to have

889
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 3: thirty six you, know pressures in a, season as long

890
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 3: as he can give me consistent pressure in the. Season,

891
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: yeah and free up the other, guys, right because you

892
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: know you're talking about complimentary defensive line. FOOTBALL i need

893
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 3: you to stop the run first and then be able

894
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 3: to generate a pass rush. Second like that's that's the

895
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: importance chart on.

896
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: That. Yeah you.

897
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: Know one of the reasons why these these numbers in

898
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: particular are important is because all the colleges fudge these.

899
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 3: Things yeah the, Program oh, god, YEAH i MEAN i

900
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 3: WAS i want to, SAY i, was what three thirty

901
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: two in college AND i don't THINK i ever tested

902
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 3: three thirty two in college on my, Bio and then

903
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 3: they finally adjusted like three, forty and THEN i was

904
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 3: like being.

905
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: GENEROUS i can't tell you how many times over the

906
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: Years i've had people argue with me over weights with.

907
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 2: Thegether steve McClendon was the was the perfect. Example. Yeah

908
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: Now steve be, clendon for.

909
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: Whatever, reason was always listed like two, eighties.

910
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 2: So there was always under three. Hundred it was too, noticeably,

911
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: right hadn't been to eighty since seventh? Grade, yeah, yeah they.

912
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: Were playing when he was starting on the nose for The,

913
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: steelers he was like three thirty, three twenty, something three thirty.

914
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 2: Something but he's too small to play on the on the.

915
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 2: Nose i'm, like, no he's not walk past, them, Right

916
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 2: they listedm too.

917
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: EIGHTIES i don't care what they list him, as he's

918
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty plus pounds.

919
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: And that and, Listen flows L, adams Oh. Flow when

920
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 3: they listed, Him flow would hit that weight as he's

921
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: walking over the. Scale Because flow never he was a

922
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 3: big person amongst big. People he never stood on the.

923
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: Scale Still. Flow they'd take his, weight they take his,

924
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 3: Weight flow was still on and walk across and step.

925
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 3: Up he looked back At marcel and be, like did

926
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: you get that all?

927
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: Right? Cool marcell was, like, well he's still the same.

928
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: Thing he's still three fifty. Two i'm, like he never

929
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 2: has like two feet on the.

930
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: Scale never two feet on the scale at the same

931
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: time was three hundred and fifty two.

932
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: Exactly He we called Him.

933
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 3: Shrek he was an, OGRETEL i, mean and that was the.

934
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: Thing AND i THOUGHT i was a big. Dude but

935
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: then when you put me And flow on the same,

936
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 3: line LIKE i, mean WE'VE i felt, like, okay this

937
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: is get off the bus.

938
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: Team you know What i'm saying right? Here remember what

939
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: He he would lay in his.

940
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: Locker oh, god he had the first locker Where TJ's at.

941
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: Now, Yeah and he would lay in his locker.

942
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: All the way back in, it and his legs would

943
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,479
Speaker 1: be would still be like four feet out six feet.

944
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 3: OUT i, mean it was like all, right or if

945
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 3: he sit up in the chair and just extend his legs,

946
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 3: out you had to like walk around. Him but he

947
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: was such a human and his hands were. Huge he's

948
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 3: another guy that didn't play football until like his junior

949
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: senior year high.

950
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: School some coach saw him walking down the hall high. School,

951
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: COACH i start you playing football every day every.

952
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 3: Day and this dude was, like NOW i gotta go

953
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 3: to science, club you know What i'm, saying and finally convinced.

954
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 3: Him but he but he's he was a huge. Nerd

955
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: he was a huge nerd and he just played. Football

956
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: and that's Why Michigan state ended up offering because he

957
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: was in state and they.

958
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: Were gonna call him that to his face, Though, yeah,

959
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: no WELL i. DID i.

960
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 3: DID i was usually after a couple of drinks BECAUSE

961
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: i knew his his his balance was a little bit

962
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: often and he couldn't argue because.

963
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 2: We don't understand what you're. Saying, yeah BUT i mean it's,

964
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: funny even like these exact measurements we get, here sometimes

965
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: a guy like him just looks bigger than what it

966
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: is on. PAPER i DON'T i don't know how to explain.

967
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: It but when you see, Him i'm, Like, okay he's

968
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: only an inch taller than most of the, tackles and

969
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 2: he's only twenty pounds heavier or, whatever but he looks

970
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: so much bigger than carry's. Position, yeah composition and makeup do.

971
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 3: Matter and that's why, sometimes like you, said seeing a

972
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 3: guy in you, know the under the underwear room AS

973
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 3: i like to call, it you, know, matters it's, like

974
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: what does this guy look?

975
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: Like, like what is his?

976
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 3: BUILD i need to see what ass and thighs he, has,

977
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: RIGHT i want to see where the generation of power comes.

978
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: From and then also the definition of the. ARMS i,

979
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 3: mean are you sitting there with church lady arms you, know, yeah?

980
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 3: Right or are they developed?

981
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 2: Arms you?

982
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 3: Know you look at all of those. Things and then

983
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: sometimes some, matters Right Carrie, high like they have tight.

984
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 3: Tendons so how does that guy do when he is?

985
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: Stretching was that stretch all the way out or was

986
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 3: it kind of one of these because he's so tight

987
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: in the, shoulder in the shoulder cap area that maybe

988
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 3: his arms are longer than it is maybe it's not

989
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 3: thirty two and a half and it's really thirty, three

990
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 3: but the dude's so tight and developed he can't get

991
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 3: it out. There AND i want to see that because

992
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 3: that's also going to matter to me When i'm talking about.

993
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: Extension you, KNOW i need all of that thirty two

994
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: and a? Half is that thirty two and a half

995
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 3: and now shrink to thirty, one you, know because those

996
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 3: those type of, things like you, know is he battling

997
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: a shoulder into his shoulder injury also matters on, that you,

998
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 3: know because we had a number of dbs that have

999
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 3: shoulder and hip.

1000
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 2: Issues that messes with your.

1001
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: Height if the muscle's, tight it shrinks on one, side

1002
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: then kind of is, like, oh we're gonna push you.

1003
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: Down a little. Bit, yeah just to make fun of, Myself,

1004
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: YEAH i bet there's somebody on that list that has

1005
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: similar measurables to. Me six two seven two eighty reasonably long,

1006
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: arms hands are about nine and three quarters or something like.

1007
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: THAT i forget what my hands were when we measure

1008
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 2: when we were do combine, Practice, like, oh that guy looks.

1009
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 3: Like after tackle that looks like, no, hey, hey, no

1010
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 3: put put them behind the. Screen it's, like, Yes Matt,

1011
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: Williamson i'm here to play de, tackle right?

1012
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: RIGHT i mean that That's Chris farley and The. Chippendale

1013
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 2: but yeah, right that's not flattering for, anybody right. Right

1014
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 2: so these numbers there aren't apples to apples all the. Time,

1015
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,959
Speaker 2: no absolutely. Not we're gonna get to another.

1016
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: Break that's gonna do it for hour number one of

1017
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: our coverage here on The drive live from THE Nfl

1018
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: Scouting combine here day, three and everything is starting to happen.

1019
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: Here when we come, back the workouts will have started.

1020
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: Here now we'll get some FORTIES i think will start

1021
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: to be interesting here as.

1022
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 2: Well but, well who decides to, run so we should

1023
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: get some forties to watch the? Forties, yeah there you,

1024
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:49,479
Speaker 2: go He's. Max max Starts Matt, Williams, Tom I'm Dale.

1025
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: Lolly just The drive.

1026
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: Here on The Steelers Audio network And Fox Sports. Pittsburgh

1027
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: will be back with more right after this