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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up.

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Speaker 2: This is Bubba Van Tron, special teams coordinator with the

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Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns with the Dogs Only podcast Let's.

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Speaker 3: Go Baby, all the what's going on guys.

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Speaker 4: Joe Hayden here along with Bubba ben Trom for the

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Speaker 4: second episode of Dogs Only Podcast. I was drafted twenty

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Speaker 4: ten to the Browns and you were already there, I

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Speaker 4: think going on your fifth or six year in Elite.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 2: I had been in New England my first four years

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Speaker 2: I was. I came in the league a little bit

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Speaker 2: different than you did. I was undrafted, signing bonus of

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Speaker 2: one thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: What was your signing bonus?

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Speaker 4: I had to sign a bonus of wapping twelve million dollars.

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Speaker 2: I wish I had the twelve But yeah, my first

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Speaker 2: four years I was in New England.

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Speaker 1: I was undrafted, my first year was on practice squad.

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Speaker 2: Had the you know, opportunity to come here in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and nine. So I was going into my second

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Speaker 2: drafting you.

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Speaker 1: What was the seventh overall pick?

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Speaker 3: Seventh overall pick? Yeah, that's sweet, Thank you twenty ten man,

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Speaker 3: Thank you boy. But twenty ten.

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Speaker 4: I came in, first first round, seven pick overall me,

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Speaker 4: my boy TJ came in. And one big thing that

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Speaker 4: Eric Mangini made us for sure, dude, was we want

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Speaker 4: special teams.

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Speaker 1: Special teams.

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Speaker 2: I mean I remember and I still show clips of

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Speaker 2: you know, you and TJ your rookie years and you

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Speaker 2: know circling this is Joe Hayden.

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Speaker 3: This is Joe Hayden, that.

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Speaker 2: Gunner the first you know, five four or five games

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Speaker 2: of the season, blowing up guys, you know, blowing up returners,

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Speaker 2: TJ down, you know, making plays and penetrating on kickoff

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Speaker 2: and stuff. And it's great for our young players to

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Speaker 2: see that our first round pick can have an impact,

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Speaker 2: you know, in the kicking game and then obviously end

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Speaker 2: up being a.

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Speaker 1: Starter and you have to end up being a great

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it, man.

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Speaker 4: I think I think the biggest thing with that is

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Speaker 4: you have to it meant something, you know, anytime we

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Speaker 4: special teams trying to make plays and uh, just you

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Speaker 4: we had the squad like you and your boys, what

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Speaker 4: was the what.

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Speaker 3: Was the crew like?

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Speaker 1: We had?

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Speaker 2: We had a really good group we were like, we're

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Speaker 2: definite number one in the league.

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Speaker 1: We had I mean Cribs was a returner.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we had me you, TJ Blake, Stunt, Blake stands up,

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Speaker 2: Nick Sorens and Kalukamayav, Jason Truszneck, Mike Adams. Jeez, I

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Speaker 3: It's really good. We had some talent for sure, for sure.

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Speaker 4: So then so so let's say we met with that,

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Speaker 4: we played in a and when your career ended, I

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out now. I've been out for

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Speaker 4: like private investing, just trying to figure out where I

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I think I love love

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Speaker 3: being around.

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Speaker 4: Football still, But how did you did you kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, like I knew that I wanted to be

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I can only imagine.

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Speaker 4: I think we say, like the player schedule is tough,

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Speaker 2: So different because you know, once the season ends, you

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Speaker 1: At and you're playing for that. Yeah, so I mean

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Speaker 2: And you know, I learned how to do my job

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Speaker 3: So all that's good stuff. So let's talk about some

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Speaker 3: fun times we had the Boves. Yeah, me and you you.

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Speaker 4: Had this thing, the Tips Tournament. Yes, you held at

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Speaker 2: So what I did was we had this tournament just

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Speaker 1: So it's you have a partner, You're going against two

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Speaker 2: Shooting and tipping tournament. Yes, and it's an NBA three

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Speaker 2: That's the first time you start star. We're at my

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Speaker 3: Problem, probably gonna lie to you. You or Mickey ky

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Speaker 3: I straight on the three. Neither one of our teams

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Speaker 1: You and you had a good partner.

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Speaker 4: So now let's get into what about this team? Just

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Speaker 3: We got a good group.

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Speaker 1: We have a good group of specialists.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited to work with uh Kay York going into

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I like that, dude. A lot.

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Speaker 2: And then fortunately now that I'm here, I didn't get

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Speaker 3: All that's good stuff.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, excited about it. Talk to me about you.

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Speaker 2: So you're talking You're transitioning obviously from being a player

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Speaker 1: You're living in California.

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Speaker 3: Yes, living in California full time. Now, I've been there.

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Speaker 4: I was doing off seasons there since twenty sixteen, me

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Speaker 2: I've seen some video. People have sent me some videos

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Speaker 2: of you training out there. Where were you training, because

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Speaker 4: Intense, really really nice training facilities too. I met the

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Speaker 4: trainer through Odell Beckham Junior. His name was Mall Leggings Jilt.

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Speaker 4: Really good trainer. Najie Harris is out there right now.

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Speaker 4: We've had a couple of Jarvis Landry. He's just a

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Speaker 4: But right now I'm just trying to figure out since

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Speaker 3: Don't want to I love the game.

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Speaker 4: I kind of wanted to just kind of get away

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Speaker 2: And I think that's the thing about like coaching that

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Speaker 3: Like you said, like the process.

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Speaker 4: The thing about it is too when you say you

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Speaker 2: We went down to West Virginia for the first eight

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Speaker 1: We do this.

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Speaker 2: Kevin does an incredible job of, you know, team building.

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Speaker 2: We do this thing it's called the four hs where

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Speaker 2: Everyone's kind of vulnerable and kind of open up. And

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Speaker 1: We can keep it rolling.

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Speaker 4: I think so too with Deshaun with a fresh year

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Speaker 3: It takes talent to win.

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Speaker 4: And you have that with the talent, then with them

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Speaker 2: And you know, I mean, you've been on championship teams,

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Speaker 2: You've been on good teams, and you know in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: thing about the NFL that people probably don't understand as

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Speaker 3: On our side, right.

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Speaker 4: That's normally with the team, Like you said, there's so

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Speaker 2: Kevin does a good job of, you know, coaching this situations.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's going to help them out.

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Speaker 2: I think the thing that a big thing with players

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of people here that are really like

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Speaker 3: Really really good to get in touch.

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Speaker 4: if you made five million dollars in five years, you

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Speaker 4: Every year you're in the NFL, you're hitting the lottery.

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Speaker 2: And like you said, there's so many there's so many

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Speaker 2: That's really the that's really the time to get all

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Speaker 4: And it's okay, you know what I'm saying, But like

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Speaker 2: And I think a lot of it too, is like

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Speaker 2: think he just gravitated towards my work ethic. You know,

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Speaker 2: he knew that I was gonna put everything I could

443
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Speaker 2: into coaching like I did into playing. Yeah, And I mean, honestly,

444
00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,200
Speaker 2: I lucked out. I was fortunate after three years getting

445
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Speaker 2: an opportunity to be a coordinator after that, to come

446
00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,280
Speaker 2: here as a coordinator, I'm just I'm pumped up. I'm

447
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,680
Speaker 2: blessed to really have an opportunity to be back here

448
00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,080
Speaker 2: in Cleveland for a really good team and fan base

449
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Speaker 2: and ready to get rocking.

450
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Speaker 4: I'm so happy for you to know because at the

451
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Speaker 4: same time, like you said, it's you said, you got

452
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Speaker 4: you lucked up to it. But you could have went

453
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Speaker 4: to New England and been not a good worker, not

454
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Speaker 4: a hard worker. You had to put that work in.

455
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Speaker 4: You had to. Bill had to take likening in you

456
00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,959
Speaker 4: because he saw something in you. He saw that you

457
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Speaker 4: were intelligent, he saw you wanted to were willing to

458
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Speaker 4: do anything to grind and get that spot, you know

459
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Speaker 4: what I'm saying. So I think just people relationships, building

460
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Speaker 4: good relationships, impressions on people they last, and making sure

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Speaker 4: that you just put your best foot forward as much

462
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Speaker 4: as you can, because like you said, the relationships the

463
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Speaker 4: people that you know, Like I said, my my thing,

464
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Speaker 4: I have good relationships with like around Cleveland, Dan Gilbert

465
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Speaker 4: stock X. Being able to people that you know, they

466
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Speaker 4: really can put you in situations to bless you.

467
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Speaker 3: Your family, and.

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Speaker 4: It's because they took a lo to me, you know

469
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Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like he didn't have to do certain

470
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Speaker 4: things same way certain people don't. But it's just the

471
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Speaker 4: goodness of being able to be a good person. So

472
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Speaker 4: I tell you that you deserve it, honestly, bubb you didn't.

473
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Speaker 4: That didn't happen for no reason for show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I mean, you know, so I'm in

475
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Speaker 2: I'm in New England with Bill Manginie, who is my

476
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Speaker 2: position coach. And not even like after football, Like in football,

477
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Speaker 2: I came to Cleveland because man Genie was here with

478
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Speaker 2: Ceily who coached me in New England.

479
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Speaker 1: Then Cely goes to.

480
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Speaker 2: San Francisco and I go to San Francisco for my

481
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Speaker 2: last two years.

482
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Speaker 1: So you know, it's you just you.

483
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Speaker 2: Just never know, you know how how things are going

484
00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,680
Speaker 2: to shake out, and you know, in the in the football,

485
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 2: it's it is, there's so much uncertainty as a player,

486
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Speaker 2: you just especially a back end roster player.

487
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Speaker 1: I mean, Joe, you were like you were the guy.

488
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Speaker 2: I mean, you were the man you really were, I mean,

489
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Speaker 2: and it was it was it was exciting for me

490
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Speaker 2: to see you even when you left Tierny went to Pittsburgh.

491
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Speaker 2: I know we like no one here likes Pittsburgh from Pittsburgh,

492
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Speaker 2: Like I don't like.

493
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Speaker 1: The Steelers at all obviously.

494
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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, but you just I knew that you would you,

495
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Speaker 2: you would succeed and do well.

496
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Speaker 1: And you know, I feel like you're like my little brother,

497
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Speaker 1: but not really.

498
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Speaker 3: No, for sure.

499
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Speaker 4: It's just always been love, man, always, and you can

500
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Speaker 4: tell the genuineness like happiness.

501
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Speaker 3: You're happy for me.

502
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Speaker 4: I'm legitimately happy for you just the way that life,

503
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Speaker 4: life is bro and being able to just tell people

504
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Speaker 4: how stories and being able to be like this was

505
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Speaker 4: my teammate. It was a first round pick, did my thing,

506
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Speaker 4: and when I got there, looked up to you because

507
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Speaker 4: just the way you were professional, like the way you

508
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Speaker 4: just carried yourself, did your job.

509
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying that it was it was legit.

510
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Speaker 1: We took a lot of pride in, you know, in

511
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Speaker 1: our team.

512
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Speaker 2: We actually we had a pretty good defense and we

513
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Speaker 2: are obviously really good on teams.

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Speaker 1: I like that I can show your film to my

515
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Speaker 1: players and I liked it.

516
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Speaker 2: Whenever you're here, they see me interact with you, because look,

517
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Speaker 2: you're like a in Cleveland. You're like the man. I mean,

518
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 2: everybody loves Joe Hayden. I heard it the at the

519
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: Joe Thomas party. You show up and it's like everyone

520
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 2: gravitates towards you, and it's like no surprise because you're

521
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 2: such a good dude and good person and great teammate

522
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Speaker 2: and you know, good family. Man.

523
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Speaker 1: Now, how many how many kids do you have?

524
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Speaker 3: Kids?

525
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Speaker 2: Bro?

526
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Speaker 1: It's crazy?

527
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, little Jet.

528
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Speaker 2: My kids are freaking getting so big. Ava is fourteen,

529
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Speaker 2: l Is twelve, Majors.

530
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Speaker 3: Nine, fourteen.

531
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Speaker 1: She's going into high school.

532
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Speaker 3: Dude, Oh my, she's going into high school. One. That's crazy.

533
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Speaker 1: All my kids got the got the speed, Jean. So

534
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Speaker 1: that's good.

535
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Speaker 3: They can all track the little soccer.

536
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they can all run. Ava can run, Ella can run.

537
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Speaker 1: Major can run. I think Major is going to be

538
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Speaker 1: like Brian r. Lacker. He's going to be a beast.

539
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 3: Like he's at linebacker.

540
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Speaker 1: He's a freak and he can fly.

541
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Speaker 3: He cat away. Geta bro.

542
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Speaker 1: Yeah, how old are your kids?

543
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Speaker 3: Six and four? Six and four? I got my guys.

544
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Speaker 4: My younger, my four year old son, he's football, he's football.

545
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Speaker 4: My six year old son is golf. So yeah, yeah, man,

546
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to get him down into it early, trying

547
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Speaker 4: to get it.

548
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Speaker 3: He's pretty good too. My six show is getting pretty good.

549
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Speaker 2: My son, my son just started taking golf lesson or.

550
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Speaker 2: He's at a golf camp this week.

551
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Speaker 3: See that's what I'm saying.

552
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Speaker 1: Yeah, club, he's in football. He's gonna play hoops this year.

553
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Speaker 1: He does lacross, and he just started doing some golf.

554
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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, Joey my oldest. He does. He does golf

555
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 3: and basketball. Those are his two things. That's awesome.

556
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he'll play football too.

557
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Speaker 4: I know he will too. He plays quarterback. He does

558
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Speaker 4: a little quarterback. But I'm just saying, like it's two

559
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Speaker 4: big quarterback. Didn't you Oh, I played quarterback for short.

560
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Speaker 4: Didn't you go to Florida? I went to Florida as

561
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Speaker 4: a quarterback.

562
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Speaker 3: Bro.

563
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Speaker 4: If it wasn't for Cam and t bow out have

564
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Speaker 4: been starting. Actually been got some time, but it all

565
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Speaker 4: worked out. I had to switch me over the corner.

566
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Speaker 4: I did know that, Yes, yes, yes, it all worked

567
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Speaker 4: out though.

568
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

569
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Speaker 4: But it's been so per real, bro, I know you

570
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 4: got to get ready for some practice today.

571
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Speaker 3: You're out there training camp, coaching it up.

572
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're we're getting ready for the Commanders and hopefully

573
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: we can get out there and make some plays this week.

574
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: You're gonna see my guys flying around, so excited for that.

575
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Speaker 1: It was really good to see you.

576
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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm looking forward to hopefully you being around

577
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 2: more in Cleveland and everyone getting to know you even

578
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 2: better around here for sure.

579
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Speaker 4: But I feel I feel the love when I come back, man,

580
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna be back a whole lot more often.

581
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Speaker 3: Yeah, sow good seeing you, bubs.

582
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Speaker 1: You too, my man, my god.

583
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 5: All all of walking, Payton was a warrior running with

584
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 5: bees and rookies couldn't hope the wad up in one

585
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Speaker 5: of his Greek as a creek through the zone.

586
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Speaker 1: I am known as a monster, the new Larry.

587
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Speaker 5: Zarka ball and Hall going BNX and somebody need the

588
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Speaker 5: answer trying to stop Barry Sanders and Shunks in the game.

589
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 5: You Justice Salamander never had the boundary running through Yell Town,

590
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Speaker 5: keep your head up and rush. We looked like Jim Brown.