WEBVTT - Inside the Heritage Foundation RNC Party 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:07.520 Alz Media America. Is Trump strong? 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:09.680 Okay, it is so funny. 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:13.039 Welcome to it could happen here a podcast recorded from 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:18.160 the Republican National Convention, specifically the hotel where the Idaho 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:23.040 and North Dakota delegates are gathered. Yeah, fascinating elevator rides. 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.119 And we're thinking today about the memory of that guy 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:28.240 that Trump does not know the name of who got 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:33.160 shot to death, Corey k. They've definitely pronounced every time 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:34.040 they've said it wrong. 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:36.960 Every single person who spoke the last few days pronounced 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.800 his name differently, And I was like, well, finally they 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:42.920 have somebody's name to pronounce more incorrectly than they do 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.919 Kabla Harris or Ramaswami. 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.800 And it's look, folks, I'm not gonna laugh at his kids. 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:52.680 You know, that's a tragedy for them. But what I 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.920 will say is that objectively, it's really funny that this 0:00:56.040 --> 0:01:01.160 guy died for Donald Trump. And Trump very obviously doesn't care, couldn't, 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:04.280 could not be less important to him, Like there is 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:06.840 nothing that matters less in this election the man who 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.520 took a bullet for him, And that's really funny. That's 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:10.360 really funny. 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.400 Anyways, Uh, this is it could happen here. I'm Sophie Licht, 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:16.720 but we're, like Gara said at the R and C. 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.320 I have Garrisaid Davis with me and Robert Evans. 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:21.479 Uh huh, very professional, Sophie, Thank you so much. 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:23.160 I am your boss. Do you want to tell me 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:25.119 a little bit about this morning? 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:27.720 Well, I think first's talk about some of our late 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:28.800 night escapades. 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:30.560 Oh wait, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:33.920 Time travel cigar Bar. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.119 Yes, wow, I did not go with you to that event, 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:38.120 so I go call. 0:01:38.640 --> 0:01:39.640 I agree, that was a good call. 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.000 I counted on the main floor of the cigar Bar 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:44.320 where the Young Republicans had their party, and six of 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.520 forty people had cigars. I had a cigar you did 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:51.360 you had acause I brought a selection of my finest Cubans. 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:51.640 Yeah. 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:53.560 That was very, very kind of you, Robert. 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:55.920 I had one of John F. Kennedy's favorite cigars that 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.120 I had been aging for two years waiting for this moment. 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.400 I did like that you had the foresight to bring 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:01.680 cigars to the art, to. 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:06.360 Bring extremely high quality. Our buddy Lenny had a three 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:11.960 year aged partias you had. But I've been drinking and 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:16.600 I had a lovely have you been quality the best 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.000 cigars there. I talked to everyone who happened to be 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:21.679 smoking a cigar, and they were all smoking trash like 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:25.200 a rowin and American garbage, because none of them had 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:27.919 any kind of look. I don't get into this often. 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.120 I don't want to be like some of our friends 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:32.760 in the in the far right and and use cigars 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.480 as a totem. I enjoyed my cigars privately, but we 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:38.840 were going to a cigar bar, so I brought my 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:41.720 nice cigars and oh was it a cigar bar? 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.520 Were there cigars there? You're just at the word cigars seven. 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.639 It was not lost on me that none of them 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:49.640 smoked good cigars because they're children, are you know what? 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.120 We had an interview with Rudy Giuliani, and Rudy would 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.720 have understood that man has nice cigars. I'll say that 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:57.600 about Rudy Giuliani. He knows the cigars, That's all I'm saying. 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:57.919 Great. 0:02:58.160 --> 0:02:59.480 So we've been trying to hit the kind of the 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:01.560 after part already seen at the RNC, just to see 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:05.359 kind of what's up. This little cigar party was put 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:07.880 on by some of the young Republicans from. 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.920 New York primarily in New York. They are very confident 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:15.400 of a victory, potentially a statewide victory in a national election. 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.839 And uh, you know what, the evidence doesn't make it impossible. 0:03:18.880 --> 0:03:20.920 It doesn't look like it's going to happen from this cycle. 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.040 But twenty twenty eight, New York could be in play. 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.359 And one of the interesting things is that Florida also 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:30.320 seems to be tightening. Two poles recently show Trump just 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.600 four points ahead of Biden. He won by ten in 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.680 twenty twenty. That's a significant tightening and within kind of 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.360 swing state margins, And so it is kind of interesting 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.320 to conceive of the possibility that by twenty twenty eight, 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:43.640 both New York and Florida could be in play. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.000 Yeah. So I dressed like a nineteen fifties FBI agent 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.320 and trench coat and smoke well done one of these 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:52.040 cigars as best as I could. 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:52.920 How'd you like it? 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:53.560 It was fine. 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:56.960 It was a nice cigar. It's no clove, good way, God, 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:00.880 oh my fucking so, give me a gun. 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.400 It was it was. It was a nice little party. 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.040 We talked, We talked to some people. The best thing 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:10.280 about the party, though, is that there was a series 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:12.920 of speeches put on by these guys from New York 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:16.040 that kind of just kept going on. And the longer 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:17.880 that these speeches and like these fre diferent guys kept 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.640 going on, the music on the roof started to get 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:24.880 slowly louder and louder and louder, until it was completely 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:28.480 draining out the speeches, until they just stopped because like, okay, 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:29.840 the music's too loud now. 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:31.360 Now and again there are heroes. 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.480 So someone was on that dial just every every two 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:35.960 minutes it up a little bit. 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.839 There's a guy I follow who has started who followed 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.320 me back in twenty twenty, who was like an election 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:45.560 poll analysis expert and was like, and it's not a 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.479 political guy, but was like, look, if you show up 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:53.000 at a convention after party to talk, fuck you like 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.599 people are there to drink, all you should say is 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.919 the bar is open. And I agreed with that, and 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:00.760 then you know what to skip. We had credit to 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.800 the Heritage Foundation. Nobody ever said anything but that we 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:04.960 could drink all we wanted. 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.760 That is a Heritage Foundation party, that is right, which 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:11.040 we will get to later. We were up way too late, 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.680 way too late at some of these after parties. The 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.840 other night and then we had to get up pretty 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:17.960 early in the morning because we had an interview with 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:22.440 the CEO of the Texas Public Policy Foundation, which is 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.760 kind of like a mini version the Heritage Foundation, but 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:30.120 just for Texas. Yeah, the former guy who ran this 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.640 now runs the Heritage Foundation itself, so it's kind of 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:35.200 like a little bit of a training ground and they 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:39.000 kind of swap members often. We had a pretty long 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:41.599 interview that we will turn into some kind of future 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:46.480 piece of content, discussing everything from woke ideology to the 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.800 mortal rot infecting America to. 0:05:48.760 --> 0:05:50.880 Why mass shootings happened in this country. 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.600 Yeah. Yeah, he was. He was very polished, very media trained. 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:58.400 He easily the best interview subject in terms of his 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.200 like skill liet talking, yeah, that we've had. 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.880 And similarly, I don't think he was quite prepared for 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.039 our line of questioning either, you know, so that he 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:08.760 got taken it back a little bit by some of 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.240 the questions we were lobbing him. Probably very different from 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.840 the rest of the interviews that he's been doing. I'm 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:16.400 trying to think if there's any anything specifically about that 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.719 interview that's worth mentioning. Now, you know, what really. 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.320 Interests me because the shooting is so relevant, I will 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.040 bring up the shooting. We talked about why the guy 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.800 who tried to kill Trump had done it, and he 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.240 and I were kind of the same mind, the same 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:32.080 mind that you are, Garrison, which is that this was 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:34.760 a school shooter type thing and that was the primary 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:37.200 reason behind the ideology. And this is before now some 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:39.479 stuff has come out since that has made that seem 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:42.360 even more likely. But it was interesting to like, kind 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.080 of have that not be a controversial part of the conversation. 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.360 This was not a radical left shooting. There was no 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:49.400 sort of attempt by him to claim it as that. 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:51.839 He was like, yeah, this seems like a guy. We 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.880 have a deep sickness in this country, and we clearly 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.839 disagreed with him about the specifics of where the sickness 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.720 comes from. But the sickness leads to some people who 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.200 just want to do mass shootings that are not political. 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.080 And uh, that was interesting to me. 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:07.880 No, And and one of the big things talked about 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:10.120 in terms of this moral rot is that there is 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:13.200 something lacking in our country, specifically with young men. There's 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:16.280 there is there is this lack of purpose among the 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:18.600 young men which makes them do these kind of violent acts. 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:20.920 I don't disagree with that, sure, and I think I 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:22.320 think I disagree with. 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.880 His solutions and some and some some of his diagnosis 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.720 in certain ways, right because he he'll attribute that lack 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:30.480 to certain things that we might. 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.800 Not morality at the home, and sure, you. 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:36.320 Know, all these all those kind of things, but you know, 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.480 that was that that was kind of his his take, 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.400 you know. And then we also talk about everything from 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:43.520 like the influence of billionaires on these right wing think 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.120 tanks and political candidates, Catholics versus Evangelicals. It was an 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.160 interesting conversation that I'm sure you'll hear in becoming weeks 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:51.840 and we'll kind of explain why we want you to 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.640 hear from this guy who's, you know, typically probably pretty 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.520 adversarial to the type of stuff that we talk about 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.000 on this show. But after this interview, I met up 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:04.760 with Sophie lichterman Hey and we talked to the people 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:09.440 at the actual Heritage Foundation booth who had many a 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.800 pamphlet and I collected all of the gender ideology pamphlets, 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.320 which will also be a future deep dive. Kind of Curiously, 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:19.760 they did not have a single pamphlet about Project twenty 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:22.960 twenty five. Nope, No, And they didn't like talking about 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:24.800 it either. They said that Project twenty twenty five is, 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:26.800 you know, a coalition effort between both Heritage and all 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.160 these other groups, but they're not really talking about it 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:32.480 here today because it's not Trump's policy platform. Trump has 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.560 his own policy platform. This is just a list of 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:39.679 policy suggestions for lawmakers once they get into office. So 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.040 they like to talk about a whole bunch of other stuff, 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:43.440 you know, certain things that are kind of a part 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.920 of Project twenty twenty five, but nothing about the actual 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.040 you know, document itself, partially due to the kind of 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.360 negative backlash that it has received, and you know, it 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.400 seems to be kind of widely unliked for various reasons. 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.200 So I think it was interesting that they weren't even 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:00.960 pushing it at an event like this. 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.400 You know, again with the Texas Policy Foundation, gut we 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.680 talked about when we brought it up. He was pretty 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.360 open about the fact that it's not popular. Yeah, and 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.440 his attitude was that in the future, once we win, 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:15.880 we can try and build consensus around it. But he 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.600 didn't try to deny the fact that, like, it's widely 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:20.959 disliked by the electorate. 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.520 And it is against a lot of things that are 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:27.480 on the Republican policy platform for the actual party. Sophie, 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:31.559 you had a wonderful conversation with some of they's heritage folks. 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.600 Let's just say that my very blonde hair and the 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:38.280 pig tills that I or most of this week made 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:41.400 it very easy for these folks to talk to me, 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.240 which is unsettling. 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:46.160 A little bit frightening, but useful. 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:47.920 But very very very scary. 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:48.680 Yeah. 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.920 A question I've been asking a lot of the folks 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.720 that I've talked to this week is mostly about their 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:57.599 opinions about education. And you know, if there is a 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.839 shift in power with Trump being elected in a v 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:04.720 what exactly they would want to do. And the overall 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.920 majority answer from these groups is that they want to 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:11.520 take away power from the federal government and bring it 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:14.880 to the states, and that would be universal school choice. 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.000 And so got a little bit of that from them. 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.840 They also mentioned something about one of the biggest roadblocks 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.120 being student loans. 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:27.359 While also being very against student learned for forgiveness specifically, 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.040 So it's kind of a it was an interesting position. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:31.800 I'll want to read some more of their pamphlets on. 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.679 That but anyways that just talks with them more, got 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:38.320 more of their pamphlets, and Garrison and I asked them 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.480 about the states that they choose to operate in. 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:46.080 And specifically for their lobbying group as opposed to just 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.360 like the think tank, they have this other thing I 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:52.000 think called Heritage Action, which operates differently because of certain 0:10:52.120 --> 0:10:53.160 laws around lobbying. 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:54.760 It's kind of where they try to train a lot 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:56.920 of new people up. They had a lot of advertisements 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:58.440 that they did something like fifteen. 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:00.600 More on the ground activism type stuff. 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:02.920 And Garret, what was the answer they gave? I thought 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:05.959 it was interesting you asked a question for why they 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:07.120 didn't go in certain states. 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:08.800 Yes, so they had this map of what states they 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:10.840 were active in, and there were certain states, you know, 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:15.280 like Oregon, Washington, or whole bunch of the New England states, 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.000 and they just weren't active in because they didn't think 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:19.280 they would be very effective. They weren't make any leeway. 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:20.560 It's just it's just not worth it. It's not going 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.200 to move towards actual electoral victories. But there was other 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.760 there's other states like Wyoming and a few others that 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:30.160 they weren't active in for different reasons because of specific 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:35.880 regulations regarding donor transparency that they were strongly against the 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.760 states that require there to be transparency for people who 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:42.480 donate to these kind of political groups, and in protest 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.719 of those regulations and laws, they are completely inactive in 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:47.880 those states, which is a funny way of saying, we 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:50.679 just want to hide whoever gives us money. And that 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.280 is that was a little interesting piece of information regarding 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:54.959 you know, there's just states they just don't operate and 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.640 because they do not want to see or have it 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:01.400 made public where their kind of money is coming in 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.640 and out of, at least for the Heritage Action part 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:05.280 of the group. 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:10.400 Yes, it was overall just interesting that there was you know, 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.959 at this booth, there was about five different I would say, 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:14.839 twenty something. 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.280 Women, twenty something died blonde to women. 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:22.840 Yes, And they invited me to their Heritage social party 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.480 that they were having that was across from the main 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.360 convention where you needed an access code to get in, 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.400 and they gave you that flyer and. 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.520 You will hear all about that. We took advantage of that. 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:35.520 At the end of the episode. You will get a 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:42.400 special inside look at the Heritage Foundation's private invite only exclusive. 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.599 Part was off the record. Now does it count? No, 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:47.880 of course not. I promised that lady that what she 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:50.040 said to me was off the record, and I won't 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:52.040 say any more about that. But I didn't promise that 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:52.760 to anyone else. 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.200 Do you know what's on the record, Robert, what you 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:56.040 said later? 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.400 These products and service, the products and services that support 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:00.000 this podcast. 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.679 That also that also is off the record. On the record. Whatever, 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:04.560 here's the ads. 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.200 We are back, and don't worry. You will hear about 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.920 this special Heritage Foundation party in a sect. But first 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:22.960 I want to play for you a whole interview that 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:26.080 I collected. Just down the hall from the Heritage Foundation booth, 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:31.360 the American Conservation Coalition had at a pretty large section 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.720 of the RNC convention fest you know, list of vendors, 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.600 kind of more typical like you know, convention type stuff. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:41.240 You know, like if you go to like a comic 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:42.760 on or something, it's a lot of like vendors and 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:44.920 booths that this kind of section of the r and C. 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.480 So they had this pretty big booth and it was 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.439 the only time I've ever seen anything mentioned about climate change. 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:55.280 So I was interested to see what conservatives talking about 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.360 climate change sound like what they're saying, and I'll just 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:02.120 play that interview here right now. Do you want introducing 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:03.880 yourself in the organization you're with. Sure. 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:05.360 My name's Carl Matthews. 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:08.880 I'm the vice president of Communications at the American Conservation Coalition, 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:13.480 which is the largest conservative grassroots environmental organization in the country. 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.640 So the few things that interests me about your group, 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.320 I mean, especially if you look back in the last 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:23.120 one hundred years, like environmental conservation has been historically a 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:25.840 much more conservative standpoint. You can look at like presidents 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:28.720 in the nineteen twenties, there was a huge push for that, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:31.920 and somewhere along the lines that's kind of been lost 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.240 for like a number of reasons. I guess what is 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:36.960 your main mission here with this organization? 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.080 Yeah, well, it's interesting you bring up kind of the 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.840 history of conservative conservation because we have a timeline here 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.680 at the RNC showing all the Republican presidents who have 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.920 really engaged on this issue, from Ulysses Grant to Teddy 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.640 Roosevelt to more modern presidents like Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:55.120 and even HW Bush. So what we're really doing here 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:59.080 with the American Conservation Coalition is building the conservative environmental movement, 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:03.720 specifically among young Americans who frankly feel kind of disenfranchised 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:06.400 by both parties on the issue of climate and the environment. 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.200 The left has taken a really doom and gloom approach 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:11.880 to these issues that isn't very inspiring for a lot 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:15.520 of young folks, and in the last thirty years, conservatives haven't. 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:16.920 Engaged very productively. 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:21.320 So we're here showing that conservation is conservative, those values 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:25.240 are inherently entwined, and it's okay to call for action 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:27.760 on environmental issues like climate change. 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.840 I guess. Yeah. Let's start more on like the big topic, 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:32.560 which is which is climate change, and we can get 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:35.320 into like local conservation. What is your take on the 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.720 current climate scenario, because like ever since, ever since the 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.240 early two thousands, there's been this, you know, for a 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:43.120 lot of young people, slightly worrying trend of you have 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:46.840 the politicians just either either seriously downgrading, you know, the 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.440 scale of this problem or just thinking there is no problem. 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.360 What is your take both on I guess on that part, 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.680 and then how you see the climate you know crisis, 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.240 the climate issue that we are dealing with. Where do 0:15:58.240 --> 0:15:58.840 you see it? Heaving? 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:02.760 Yeah, so was founded because conservatives weren't engaging on this issue. 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:05.760 So for the last six seven years we've been really 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:09.600 pushing conservatives, especially conservative elected leaders, to re engage in 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:12.200 a productive way. And I think we've done that really effectively. 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:15.840 In DC where I live, the Conservative Climate Caucus in 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.680 the House, which is a group of Republican lawmakers interested 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:22.000 in tackling the issue of climate change, has eighty seven members. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.960 It's the fourth largest in the Republican conference. So we're 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.440 seeing a big kind of shift in the Overton window there. 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:31.640 But yeah, I think young people want elected leaders who 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.280 recognize that we have an issue, recognize that we have 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.680 a challenge in climate change, and want practical solutions like 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:43.760 expanding clean, reliable nuclear energy, like pursuing permitting reform to 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:47.000 actually allow American energy projects to be built. So I 0:16:47.000 --> 0:16:49.400 think we take a really kind of level headed, rational 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:51.920 approach to these issues that really resonates with young people. 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.200 What's the main difference in how you view the climate 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.000 issue as opposed to someone like AOC right or like 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.160 these these more like progressive democrats of view, this is 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:03.280 a very existential crisis. You have to get fossil fuels 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.760 under control. These kind of timelines that we hear, you know, 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:09.240 by twenty fifty, by twenty seventy, by even like something 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.040 like twenty thirty, Right, how it becomes like a cascading problem. 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.119 How differently do you view the current situation than you know, 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:16.800 these progressive Democrats. 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.400 Sure, like I said, climate change is a challenge. It's 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.080 certainly something that we need to tackle, but we don't 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.160 view it through kind of this doom and gloom lens 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:27.160 where we're going to die in twelve, ten, five years, 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.320 whatever the current timeline is on the left. But we 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.959 do see a need for all of the above energy. 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:36.639 So we recognize that energy demand is continuing to expand, 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.159 but we also need to protect our environment. So we 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:43.120 need to kind of consider that trilemma reliable, affordable, and 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.280 clean when we're looking at our energy portfolio in the future. 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.600 And I think that's what really kind of distinguishes us 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:50.439 from the left in that we're not calling for a 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:51.720 divestment of fossil fuels. 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:52.480 We're calling for a. 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:56.520 Rational, level headed energy strategy that will lower emissions. But 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.520 in kind of a more realistic way. 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.160 Do you think that time land's gonna be more stretched out? 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:02.560 Because I mean, if if you look at you know, 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:05.159 the way current current levels are heading. As soon as 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:09.600 we hit like two point five degrees, not just that change, 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.720 but the level of cascading environmental effects, right, one thing changes. 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:15.760 Now everything gets worse because when stuff melts, then it 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:18.200 changes the way like thermal regulation of the whole planet works, 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:19.879 and then it becomes this kind of cascating problem. And 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:21.320 I feel like we're trying to get out in front 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:22.800 of it before it happens that every day that kind 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:24.200 of feels less and less likely, at least for a 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.080 lot of people like my age, and it can be 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:27.919 a very doom and gloom scenario because you feel like 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.119 no one's taking this problem seriously. Even Joe Biden's climate 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.800 policy is very inadequate according to like a lot of 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:35.720 a lot of the people that I talk to. I 0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:38.479 guess seel like, how do you view like the scale 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:39.720 of this problem right now? 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.399 Yeah, climate change is the kind of environmental challenge of 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:45.360 our time, right it should be what you know we're 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.160 thinking about and focusing on when it comes to environmental policy. 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:50.520 But I really think we need to kind of take 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:54.000 a step back, and that kind of push for urgency 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:56.880 hasn't gotten us anywhere to your point. You know, Joe 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.760 Biden is kind of branding himself as the Climate President. 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.080 You know a lot of young people are unhappy with 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.399 the platform that he's put forwards. So I think when 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.199 you're talking about the timeline, we're talking about what we 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:10.919 can do right now to kind of unleash American energy, 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:14.520 to reduce American emissions, but also global emissions. 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.000 And really think of this on a global scale. 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:20.200 So that urgency piece isn't quite you know, realistic, or 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.080 isn't quite what we want to focus on because I 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:22.560 don't think it. 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:23.200 Leads to action. 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:26.560 There's kind of two trains of thought in terms of 0:19:26.600 --> 0:19:31.680 like climate policy stuff. There's taking like adaptation roots, right, 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.639 trying to adapt to a changing environment that we're going 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.640 to have to face it it's going to happen, versus mitigation. 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:37.960 Right. 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:39.359 For a while, we were trying to find ways to 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:42.000 mitigate the problem to kind of get ahead of it, right, 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:44.159 and that is feeling less and less likely, and we 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.399 are seeing more of these adaptive strategies getting adopted. 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:47.640 Right. 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:49.639 There's everything from like you know, people are trying to 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:53.200 develop better carbon capture, which has its own problems as 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.960 a technology. And you know, everything from like geoengineering even 0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:00.359 to like solar blockage. There's a lot of things people 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.600 are thinking, like, if we don't get like emissions under control, 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:04.000 we're gonna have to go to similar more of as 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:07.000 extreme measures. How much of your focus is on adapt 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:11.000 developments versus just mitigation, Well, we definitely need both. 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:12.920 To your point, we have to adapt to a change 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:15.760 in climate, but we also need to be reducing emissions 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:19.359 to kind of prevent future effects. So I think we 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.280 kind of set a balance between adaptation and mitigation, and frankly, 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:25.640 I think sometimes they can be really kind of connected 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.480 and entwined. So something we focus on, for instance, is 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:33.640 regenerative agriculture, which lowers emissions associated with agriculture but also 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:35.960 helps the land kind of adjust to a change in climate, 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:38.520 keeps the soil healthy, things like that. So I really 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:40.680 think when we're talking about climate we can talk about 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:43.320 adaptation and mitigation kind of at the same time. 0:20:43.960 --> 0:20:48.280 How do you try to do outreach to a vast 0:20:48.400 --> 0:20:51.760 number of Republicans conservatives who simply don't think this is 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:54.080 a problem, who like just deny this as a problem. 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:55.600 I think this is like a scam in some way. 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:58.960 How do you try to tackle that as coming from 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:01.919 a like an also conservative position. 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:02.840 Yeah. 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.560 So, I mean we're here at the Republican National Convention, 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:07.680 and it's been really interesting talking to a lot of 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:11.159 folks from diverse backgrounds about the issue of climate and 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.040 also environmental conservation. 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:16.240 I really do think it matters how you start the conversation. 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:18.600 We talked earlier about kind of our timeline of the 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:22.479 legacy of conservative environmentalism. Starting there and talking about how 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:24.399 we can carry on that legacy and how we can 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:27.159 tackle kind of this environmental issue of our time has 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:30.280 been really effective and we've gotten a lot of positive reception. 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:33.800 You know, there's always going to be disagreement, there's always 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:36.119 going to be detractors, but I do think that there's 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:39.040 more and more of kind of that acceptance that we 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:41.440 need to take care of our own backyard, and that includes, 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:43.240 you know, tackling climate change. 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:45.280 How much stuff do you end up having to you know, 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:47.840 talk about our not necessarily focused on at least talk 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:50.800 about like actual fossil fuel emissions, for racking, these types 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:52.639 of things that are like mainstays of politics because of 0:21:52.680 --> 0:21:55.480 how much money goes into them, but undeniably are a 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:57.960 massive contributing factor, and we do need to move to 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:02.640 probably some more nuclear options to forgive the expression, I guess, 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.200 and you know as well as like a like a 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:08.919 solar hydro, which are you know, less good than nuclear 0:22:08.960 --> 0:22:11.719 on like a large scale. But like you know, especially 0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:14.000 for the for the Republican Party, trying to trying to 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:16.159 point out certain things about how we will have to 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:19.560 scale back some degree of fossil fuels, if not you know, 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:22.440 a majority of it in the next twenty five years, 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:24.119 if we want to, if we want to not have 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:26.880 like a pretty bad scenario at least for not even 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:29.480 just for humans, but for like animals in other parts 0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:30.040 of the environment. 0:22:30.840 --> 0:22:32.280 Yeah, well, I think that goes back to the all 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:35.800 of the above energy approach and really diversifying our energy portfolio, 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:38.000 which frankly is not only good for the environment, but 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:41.480 good for energy security. We've seen you know, hacking of 0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:46.679 pipelines or other kind of cyber energy attacks. So by 0:22:47.240 --> 0:22:49.840 diversifying sources, we're really setting ourselves up to have a 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.520 more secure energy grid. So I think there's other ways 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:55.560 that you can talk about you know, environmental actions, climate 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:58.520 actions that have co benefits, and we can talk about 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:00.600 that in a really productive way with Republicans. 0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.560 Do you also focus on like local ecology efforts, like 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:05.560 you know, like some of the more like Roosevelt style 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:08.359 a conservation is that thing that you also kind of 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:10.119 try to like advocate for. Also, it's like an on 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:12.080 ramch talk about these like broader climate issues. 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:12.840 Absolutely. 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:14.600 I love that framing that you used as kind of 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:18.080 the entry point to climate issues. We have fifty thousand 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.920 young members across the country in about one hundred branches, 0:23:22.040 --> 0:23:25.600 either on college campuses or in young professional communities, and 0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:27.879 they go out and they plant trees in their communities, 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:31.480 They do park cleanups, they clean up a waterway, They 0:23:31.560 --> 0:23:34.080 have educational speakers to learn more about these issues. 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:36.520 And we found that that's really really. 0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:39.639 Effective in building this conservative environmental movement and showing that 0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:43.919 these values are connected, they're compatible, and then that can 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:46.960 lead to advocacy on the national level for things like 0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:50.360 we talked about nuclear energy or other clean energy sources. 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:52.879 So that's been really effective for us. 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:56.080 What would you like to see as a conservative climate 0:23:56.119 --> 0:23:58.920 policy in like ten years, Like what would you hope 0:23:59.680 --> 0:24:03.520 gets adopted to help curtail like you know, these more 0:24:03.560 --> 0:24:04.720 catastrophic scenarios. 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:07.800 Great question, and I would hope it perhaps a little 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:08.720 bit earlier than ten. 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:13.000 Years absolutely, but I'm just based on how things have gone. 0:24:13.480 --> 0:24:15.119 Sure, So we have kind of a big three that 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:16.199 we're focused on right now. 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:19.879 Permitting reforms, so getting the government out of its own way, frankly, 0:24:19.960 --> 0:24:23.200 to fight climate change, and unleash American energy in the 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:28.520 form of clean energy, nuclear, solar, wind, geothermal, hydropower, and 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:32.359 really kind of expand what we can build in this country. Again, 0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:35.199 nuclear energy is really one of the focuses for us 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:38.000 because it's a baseload energy source that can run twenty 0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:41.520 four to seven, it's clean, and it's really secure. So 0:24:41.600 --> 0:24:44.399 we're really focused on nuclear. And then the last thing 0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:47.320 is American energy dominance. Here in the United States, we 0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:51.360 produce energy safer, cleaner, and more efficiently, and we really 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:53.600 want to be a leader on the world stage when 0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:54.399 it comes to energy. 0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:56.880 I think that there is a lot of people, both 0:24:56.960 --> 0:24:59.960 like you know, progressive Democrats who really care about this issue, 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:02.440 as well as you know a lot of Republicans and 0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:05.960 liberals who have a lot of skepticism about nuclear energy. 0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:10.120 Right for some good reasons. There have been some unfortunate 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:12.840 events that have happened, and I know like fission and 0:25:12.920 --> 0:25:15.520 fusion have been slowly getting better where I feel like 0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:18.240 we're close to some kind of breakthrough, but we do 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:20.359 have like kind of a limited time. How do you 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:23.560 approach kind of talking to people who have a level 0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:26.480 of risk in terms of nuclear energy and like the 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:29.400 possible dangers that it's had based on a few accidents, 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:31.320 even though a lot of a lot of these plants 0:25:31.320 --> 0:25:32.160 are relatively safe. 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:33.760 Yeah, I love this question. 0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:35.760 I grew up an hour south of Three Mile Island 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:38.920 in Pennsylvania, so I have a lot of experience with 0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:43.680 nuclear skepticism. Look, I mean nuclear energy is the safest 0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:47.480 and cleanest form that we have in our back pocket. Yes, 0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:51.240 there have been some unfortunate incidents, frankly they're human error, 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:54.280 and we understand nuclear power a lot better now. We 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:58.359 have more safeguards in place since incidents like Chernobyl or 0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:03.680 Three Mile Island, and we haven't seen a nuclear meltdown 0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:07.000 that we were promised in the Simpsons or the China 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:11.240 syndrome or something like that. The fact is nuclear quote 0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:14.240 waste is really nuclear spent fuel, and we can recycle 0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:18.080 that and keep producing clean nuclear power. We have incredibly 0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:21.040 well trained nuclear experts at all of our power plants 0:26:21.080 --> 0:26:25.080 across the United States and they produce clean, reliable energy 0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:28.280 for consumers all over the country. So we really need 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:31.240 to kind of get over those messaging hurdles with nuclear 0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:32.520 and expand the industry here. 0:26:33.359 --> 0:26:38.040 What do you think will happen if your concerns go unheard? 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:41.320 Like if this just doesn't this just does doesn't work. 0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:43.680 I think it's kind of continue at the scale and 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:46.560 like a timeline they have been. What worries do you have? 0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:50.080 Yeah, that's a really existential question. 0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:55.560 Yeah, I mean, I think we're in the seven years 0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:58.240 since we've been founded, we're working really hard to build 0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:00.920 coalitions with a lot of different stakes and be heard 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:04.520 by a lot of different folks in power, and frankly, 0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:08.200 I'm hopeful that we will you know, pursue solutions to 0:27:08.280 --> 0:27:10.800 climate change. That we will you know, for lack of 0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:14.359 a better term, get our act together and pursue these solutions. 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:16.480 And really, I think the biggest thing that I like 0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.000 to focus on when it comes to climate advocacy is 0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:21.800 optimism and this idea that you know, the planet is 0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:24.840 our one common denominator and we can unite around that 0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:29.400 and you know, already in Congress, we've seen bipartisan legislation 0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:32.760 in a really polarizing time that focuses on climate. 0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:35.400 Probably the last big package. 0:27:35.119 --> 0:27:37.600 In the one hundred and eighteenth Congress was a nuclear 0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:41.160 package to unleash next generation nuclears. So, I know, I'm 0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.040 not exactly answering your question, but I am extremely optimistic 0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:44.680 about the future. 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:47.080 Do you think there's a path towards some kind of 0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:50.400 bipartisan advocacy not just in like the Senate, but also 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:52.680 like in terms of like environmental movements and like protests. 0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:55.840 And obviously there's certain people who employ very theatrical tactics 0:27:55.880 --> 0:28:00.399 that maybe don't correlate to much improved means, But do 0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:02.639 you see there's a possibility of, like you know, a 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.520 larger public call for action on this issue? I mean mean, 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:08.120 something that we've covered on our show a while ago 0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:10.680 is like will it take something like a general strike 0:28:10.760 --> 0:28:13.320 to even like get people to like realize like we 0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:16.680 need this to be done? Like not necessarily that option, 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:20.040 but like do you see like a route towards more 0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:25.040 of bipartisan activism and advocacy of this issue. 0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:27.440 Yeah, that's a great question. We do a lot of 0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:30.320 bridge building work. I was actually in Los Angeles earlier 0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:33.600 this year with a group of conservative climate advocates and 0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:37.080 progressive climate advocates and we talked about solutions where there's 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:39.000 common ground, and then we finished the day by doing 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.360 a beach clean up together. So I really do think 0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:43.360 there's a lot of opportunity to kind of unite on 0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:47.440 this issue, especially in younger generations. When I talked about 0:28:47.520 --> 0:28:50.120 hope earlier, they're the ones who really give me hope, 0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:52.000 and I think there's a lot of common ground that 0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:52.960 we can pursue together. 0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:55.760 That's all I had, and less you have any other notes, 0:28:55.800 --> 0:28:57.120 w or points you wanted to mention. 0:28:57.720 --> 0:28:59.440 If you want to find a ACC, you can find 0:28:59.480 --> 0:29:03.520 us at a dot eco or ACC Underscore National on 0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:04.520 social platforms. 0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:05.640 But that's it for me. 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:10.080 Well, I hope that was slightly informative, and now we 0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:15.880 will inform you about the Heritage Foundation's private exclusive party 0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:28.200 after these messages. Okay, we are back. 0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:31.480 We are back, and we are ready to tell you, Oh, 0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:37.080 five pigtails. Let us infiltrate famous hate group, the Heritage 0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.720 Foundations social house party. 0:29:39.880 --> 0:29:41.760 We got all up in the first off, a lot 0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:43.120 of microwave great food. 0:29:43.600 --> 0:29:45.400 It was the worst food we've had in all of 0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:50.560 Milwaukee was the Heritage and Foundation Great Meals. Yes, that 0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:53.400 is a very notable that the Heritage Foundation had the 0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:55.480 worst food that we've had this entire week. 0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:56.280 Not shocked. 0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:59.080 First of all, they let you two as well as 0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:00.960 another one of our friends come in off of my 0:30:01.120 --> 0:30:04.440 access code, which is very funny, and that we took 0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.520 one of the most hilarious photos we've ever taken together. 0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:09.920 And then we then we met with one of the 0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:13.320 producers the Daily Wire and watched him try to figure 0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:16.440 out who we are as I introduced him name he was. 0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:19.000 He was just calculating and then some lady came up 0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:20.840 and disrupted and we just fucking. 0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:22.360 You can see the little like thinking thing. 0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:27.280 Like third grade edition, and it wasn't the math was 0:30:27.360 --> 0:30:27.959 not mathing. 0:30:28.120 --> 0:30:30.040 It was like that one BABC Sherlock scene. He was 0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:31.600 trying to pull up. He was trying to pull up 0:30:31.600 --> 0:30:35.320 the files. Didn't work, didn't work, didn't have enough time. 0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:37.960 We stayed in that party, Robert, you seen that party 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:38.880 for like five straight hours. 0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:41.160 I was there for a long time. For every drink 0:30:41.160 --> 0:30:42.920 I wanted to drink, I would order another and just 0:30:43.040 --> 0:30:45.600 pour it out because I wanted I wanted to make 0:30:45.640 --> 0:30:46.440 them spend the money. 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:48.520 It was going to go somewhere free for us, but 0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:52.080 not free for them. So as Robert was was schmooshin 0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:56.920 with the Heritage Foundations, guys. Mean, so he went into 0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:00.560 the Connection Center to hear some speeches, and them today 0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:03.959 honestly pretty boring, and even even the notable ones were 0:31:03.960 --> 0:31:06.320 also kind of boring. The one I guess we'll talk 0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:09.160 about just very briefly is Don Junior's speech. First, he 0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:11.400 brought out his daughter, Trump's granddaughter. 0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:12.880 Before you get to that, do you want to go 0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:14.240 over what the theme of the day was. 0:31:15.040 --> 0:31:21.080 No, I mean, maybe we can, we can mention it. 0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:22.760 I don't feel how relevant it was to any of 0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:25.000 the speeches. It was just make America strong. 0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:28.560 It was strong once again, sorry once again? 0:31:29.080 --> 0:31:31.320 All right, interesting that they didn't want to sound out Massa. 0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:32.280 You know. 0:31:33.240 --> 0:31:37.000 Anyways, I guess I guess it's really not that relevant. 0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:40.440 I just just to point out that on the previous 0:31:40.560 --> 0:31:44.640 days for the different themes, there was very intricate backgrounds 0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:45.280 that were up. 0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:49.200 They didn't anything too strong again, they were like they. 0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:52.560 Phoned it the fucking yeah, and there was no interesting 0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:54.480 background Anyways, Garrett, what were you saying? 0:31:54.880 --> 0:32:00.600 So Donald Trump Junior's daughter, So Trump, the actual real 0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:05.640 ones granddaughter gave this little, this little speechman to humanize her. 0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:10.280 Grand Grandpa is a nice guy, calls me and asks 0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:11.360 me how I am. 0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:15.440 That was basically the speech, which is lovely. Is sure? 0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:15.880 Why not? 0:32:16.280 --> 0:32:18.680 It was her first speech. I don't think any of 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:21.640 the other grandchildren have given speeches before. 0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:23.680 No, this is kind of the first appearance of one 0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:24.680 of Trump's grandkids. 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:28.080 Yes, And the way it was framed is Don Junior 0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:30.640 came up and then was like she just called me. 0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:34.280 It was very intentionally propaganda's. 0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:35.880 It was also the most happy I've seen Trump this 0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:37.120 entire week, though. 0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:40.240 He might actually care about his granddaughter. 0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:42.680 Yes, definitely more than his son hard it would be 0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:43.520 hard to care less. 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:45.480 And I'm not sure how much they've they've shown it 0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:47.760 on TV, but you know, I had a view of 0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:50.280 him the entire night tonight right from where I was sitting. 0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:51.720 I was an angle where I could see his face, 0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:53.800 and they showed his face on the screen a bunch, 0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:59.120 and he was genuinely stoic. I would say he smiled 0:32:59.720 --> 0:33:02.960 for his granddaughter, definitely the most and maybe one stirring 0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:07.640 Kimberly Gilfoyle's speech at the very end, but other than that, 0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:10.800 I did not see much emotion from him today, and 0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:12.640 it was pretty similar to the rest of the week. 0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:14.240 I think, you again, you have to keep in mind 0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:16.960 with him whatever I mean, we hate him. He's a 0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:21.040 bad man, he's a monster, would be the worst possible 0:33:21.160 --> 0:33:24.680 president we could have. But he's also a person who 0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:27.480 got shot and he's traumatized, you know, and like you 0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:30.560 don't have to like make up excuses for that. Like, 0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:33.080 he is a human being who was scared because a 0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:36.440 man shot him in the head, and that's really not 0:33:36.840 --> 0:33:39.640 not a complicated thing to diagnose. 0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:42.520 So after the granddaughter gave her a little spiel, Trump 0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:45.880 Junior himself had a little speech that he was basically 0:33:45.960 --> 0:33:47.400 just doing an impression of his father. 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:49.960 For the entire time, dog shit impressing. 0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:52.760 It's not a very good impression, but compared to Vance, 0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:54.560 it was still it was very impressive. 0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:56.360 We'll get to that in a sec I will say 0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:58.760 the crowd did really really he. 0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:00.440 Seemed to like him. There was chance, so you know, 0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:02.560 Trump Junior, twenty twenty eight. 0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.520 It reminded me of when I was at my first 0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:08.760 Trump rally. This would have been in the late spring, 0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:14.840 early summer of twenty sixteen, when fucking Chris Christie conceded 0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.960 to Trump. There was a British naturalized citizen in the 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:20.920 crowd of the rally, and I was like, you want 0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:22.960 them to be president for eight years? And he was like, well, 0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:24.920 I wanted to do president for eight years to start, 0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:27.440 and I was like, to start, what happens next? He's like, well, 0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:30.400 he's got three kids, doesn't he? Then he like walked 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:33.440 through his basic plan for Trump to have a dynasty 0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:36.640 like the royal family. And I wish I had said, 0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:40.720 go back home, go back home to your fucking country 0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:43.000 with your goddamn royal family. We don't have that here, 0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:44.200 but we might. They wanted it. 0:34:44.360 --> 0:34:48.120 Yeah, late here the idea of the king's becoming increasingly popular. 0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:51.600 You have never told me that story. And I am, oh, well, 0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:51.960 thank you. 0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:53.960 I got so much great audio of that guy, Thank 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:54.600 you so much. 0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:57.560 That is going to haunt me tonight. Garrison. What else? 0:34:57.680 --> 0:34:59.880 Yeah, I mean Trump and had a few funny lines 0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:03.439 making fun of build back better, making some corn pop jokes, 0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:04.200 a corn. 0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:09.200 Pop jokes in the bulbit, very funny. 0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:11.560 The One line I do want to mention is that 0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:14.600 he talked about how the left wants to use the 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:19.040 First Amendment to show kids explicit drag shows, but they 0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:21.839 want to put you into jail for making a meme, 0:35:22.320 --> 0:35:23.560 something that has never. 0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:26.680 Happened, not a single time, not once. Not Why they 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.320 barely put people into jail for assaulting the capital. 0:35:30.480 --> 0:35:33.399 Yeah, so that was most of his speech. We then 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:39.120 heard from Vance's wife, who gave a typical vice first 0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:42.160 lady speech. It wasn't notable. And then we heard from 0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:47.000 Vance himself, the the the hopeful future vice president. 0:35:47.239 --> 0:35:48.919 What sorry, I was taking a nap. 0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:52.120 Wait, Sophie, Sophie, wake up, wake up, we're recording a 0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:52.759 podcast here. 0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:55.719 Oh sorry that just the sound of JD. Vance's name 0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:56.800 put me right to sleep. 0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:01.200 He gave what I would describe people have since described. 0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:02.600 It's kind of a bad speech. 0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:06.160 You guys were in the stadium. I was sitting at 0:36:06.200 --> 0:36:08.319 the Heritage finn Ocean party on an upper roof. 0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:09.319 Do Yeah, what'd they think? 0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:11.839 There were three people during most of it, and then 0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:14.879 like four others filtered in when those guys left, every 0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:17.440 single one of them was disappointed. The only guy who 0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:20.239 liked it was a Fox News reporter, and when he left, 0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:22.880 the people who had been like, well he was okay, 0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:25.239 said well, I hate that I had to lie in 0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:27.640 front of that guy, but he was media. I was 0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:30.000 kind of just sitting on my phone pretending to be 0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:33.279 texting and listening to them, so they didn't really notice me. 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:36.440 But the ultimate feeling that they expressed repeatedly was that 0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:40.080 was really disappointing. It was really boring, It was really long. 0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:43.200 He is not a great speaker. There was one guy 0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:46.040 who repeatedly said, I don't like that his wife isn't white. 0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:48.759 I wish his wife was white. And then there was 0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:51.439 a guy who was kind of a more libertarian member 0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:53.480 of the Republican Party who I had chatted with, who 0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:56.480 came in and sat down to have a drink and 0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:59.759 you know, was expressing that he liked Vance's speech. And 0:36:59.800 --> 0:37:02.160 the guy said, what are you a Cuban And the 0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:04.400 guy said no, and he's like, well, you're not white. 0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:07.680 So that was great, amazing stuff happening in the Heritage 0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:09.000 Foundation private party. 0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:11.640 The Foundation party was a was a good time. Yeah, 0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:13.560 so this is. 0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:16.560 Something I was even seeing in the convention people there, 0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:18.160 you know, there was there was some like you know, 0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.839 respectful clapping, but people weren't super into it, at least 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:23.959 of in the sections that we were at. The lady 0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:25.680 sitting next to me he was, you know, just like 0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:29.600 a Republican woman her maybe fifties or sixties, very very lucid, 0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:32.279 kind of just like kept dozing off just because she 0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:34.320 was so bored, not like because she was sleepy, just 0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:35.120 because she was bored. 0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:36.000 Wasn't a good speech. 0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:36.400 No. 0:37:36.680 --> 0:37:39.480 She looks at me and she said, he's so dry. 0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:42.480 Yeah. So at a certain point, I just I just 0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:45.600 kind of whispered to Sophie like, wow, Vance is a 0:37:45.640 --> 0:37:47.920 really dry speaker, and she kind of she kind of 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:51.560 like nodded awake and started and started started like nodding 0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:54.359 her head in agreement and repeated the same thing to us. 0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:57.160 And I asked her, you know, like, well, who do 0:37:57.239 --> 0:38:00.919 you think would have been a better pick? And she said, well, 0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:04.239 I don't know. I just expected Advance to be a 0:38:04.320 --> 0:38:07.879 better rhetorical speaker. And that was all she would say. 0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:10.320 And I feel like that was kind of generally the vibe. 0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:13.240 Like something else I noticed that he was like actually okay, 0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:15.279 and you know, the certain things he was talking about, 0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:16.880 you know, what he was actually saying. You know, there 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:18.960 were certain things that were interesting, it was more like 0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:20.640 the way he was saying it. It was it was 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:24.080 specifically he had no ability to do crowd work. He 0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:26.319 was just reading out the teleprompter and kind of doing 0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:28.920 a slight smile every thirty seconds, and that's all was. 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:31.600 He wasn't actually really seriously engaging people. 0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:33.960 Make fun of the bits where Trump dances or whatever 0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.040 his little moves, but those play those work. 0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:39.200 Even like pointing out people using gestures, kind of anything 0:38:39.200 --> 0:38:41.400 to connect you to the audience. Vance was just so 0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:43.160 was so dry, was so plain. 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:46.080 I think the biggest action from his speech was just 0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:47.640 the people in the crowd who liked to chant. 0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:49.120 They were just really into chanting. 0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:52.560 Ted Kruz gave him a great He like that he 0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:55.400 kind of lost them early in his speech the night 0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:58.200 before and won them back because he gave them a 0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:01.120 chance to chair repeatedly went through they like that, they 0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:02.800 like to chat, they're chanters. 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:05.080 Want to give us some of the chanting highlights. 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:09.200 Gar Yeah, so he was definitely leaning into his hillbilly 0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:11.320 or faux hillbilly background. 0:39:11.719 --> 0:39:14.440 Motherfucker, sorry, your parents made one hundred and seventy five 0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:17.279 thousand goddamn dollars a year speaking to somebody who grew 0:39:17.360 --> 0:39:21.040 up in a fucking rural ass Oklahoma, like fucking carpetbagger. 0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:23.440 That was what he was using for most of his speech. 0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:27.560 He was telling stories about the woman who raised him 0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:31.040 when his own mom was dealing with addiction, who he 0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:32.399 referred to as his mem. 0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:35.279 Uh huh, and fucking goddamn it. 0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:38.160 The first big chant I took note of is he 0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:41.279 told a story about how he was hanging out when 0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:42.560 he was like a kid or like a teen. He 0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:44.800 was hanging out with someone who was known to be 0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:48.040 like a local drug dealer, and his mem told him 0:39:48.680 --> 0:39:51.759 that if she saw him hanging out with that guy again, 0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:54.480 she was going to run him over in a truck, 0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:57.080 run over the drug dealer, and no one's gonna find 0:39:57.080 --> 0:40:00.600 out about it. And the crowd ate this up, chanting 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:03.680 me ma, me ma, So they were They weren't chanting 0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:06.800 about killing this drug dealer, right, they were chanting about murdering, 0:40:07.320 --> 0:40:08.239 murdering this drug dealer. 0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:10.279 G d Vance never met a drug dealer in his 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:11.640 fucking life, I'll tell you that one. 0:40:11.719 --> 0:40:14.200 So that was the first one, and the next little 0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:16.560 Bema story he told is that when she was a 0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:21.200 little bit older. He said that after she died, they 0:40:21.320 --> 0:40:25.680 found nineteen loaded handguns all over her house and they 0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:28.480 realized it's because she wasn't able to move very fast, 0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:32.080 so she always wanted a gun no matter where she was, 0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:33.759 she wanted to be in armslength the gun, whether that 0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:36.839 be in the cutlery drawer, by the TV remote, under 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:41.760 the bed, because because she wanted to protect her family 0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:44.920 even though she was old. And this this led into 0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:49.080 another another chance. Specifically, the nineteen loaded handguns just again 0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:52.200 went the crowd ate that up, and the crowd even 0:40:52.239 --> 0:40:54.880 started just chanting about how good they were at chanting. 0:40:55.200 --> 0:40:58.320 It became very self referential, very like patting yourself on 0:40:58.400 --> 0:40:59.240 the back for chanting. 0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:00.760 Funny, these people love chanting. 0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:04.400 And yeah, that was that was That was most events speech. 0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:08.319 It wasn't very good, it was too long. Almost unanimously, 0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:10.920 people at the Heritage Foundation party did not like it, 0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:13.040 so they did not get that reproval. 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:18.120 One pseudo positive, which was the Fox News journalist. 0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:20.279 Who I'm sure is contractually obligated to like it. 0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:22.920 Yeah yeah, yeah, and who the people there made fun 0:41:22.960 --> 0:41:23.640 of when he left. 0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:26.759 Yes, well, we talked to a campaign manager earlier at 0:41:26.800 --> 0:41:29.920 the at the Heritage Party just regarding kind of the 0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:34.240 race in general, mentioning stuff about the upcoming vice presidential debates, 0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:36.600 which the Trump Badman put out a statement saying they 0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:38.479 didn't want to lock down any details on this until 0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:40.000 he actually know who the vice president's going to be. 0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:43.279 That which is a good piece of propaganda. And so, 0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:45.560 and we were talking about that and and bringing it 0:41:45.680 --> 0:41:47.680 up to some of these people at the Heritage Party, 0:41:47.760 --> 0:41:49.400 like who do you think actually is going to be 0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:53.320 the Democratic nominee? Many of them did not believe it 0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:55.520 was going to be Joe Biden. Many of them thought 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:59.319 that it either could be an unknown candidate at this point, 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:02.920 or more likely probably kamalaw And this is something that 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:06.360 I've been noticing is that every time in these speeches 0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:09.279 where they're talking about Joe Biden's policies, they're not just 0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:13.759 saying Joe Biden, They're saying Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's, well, well, 0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:18.800 Kamala Kamala harris in one instance, Kamala Harris's policies. So 0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:22.080 they are already preparing to start shifting their rhetoric onto kamalaw. 0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:25.840 That's something that the opposition's already planning to do. And 0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:28.719 you know, as as of today, which is which is 0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:33.000 Wednesday night, we've heard that both Biden made announcements in 0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:34.800 the same day that he would step down if he 0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:37.759 was to face this serious medical diagnosis. And he also 0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:39.480 got COVID the same So. 0:42:39.680 --> 0:42:41.400 The look on your face when we told you that 0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:45.120 Joe Biden had COVID you were you were thrilled. 0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:50.800 Okay, well we shouldn't say that either. Anyway. That is 0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:54.280 kind of a brief glimpse into the Heritage Foundation party. 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:57.960 I guess that the vibes were more similar to what 0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:00.320 is I think well known now as the least a 0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:02.920 good episode of The Boys, that that private tech night 0:43:03.000 --> 0:43:07.319 party combined with like a frat, a frat bro bar hop. 0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:10.400 What I'll say about this is they had an EDM 0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:14.560 track set to Country Road Take Me Home. I will 0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:18.319 say that like if you were to if you were 0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:21.240 to put that side by side with the plane crash 0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:24.239 that killed the author of that song, I think he 0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:26.759 would agree with you. This party was worse. 0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:30.839 One more thing I wanted to note was I did 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:32.920 not go to the party for seven hundred hours like 0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:35.120 the two of you. I went home after all the 0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:37.799 speeches home, I went back to the hotel after all 0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:38.320 the speeches. 0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:39.759 Did that country road take you home? 0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:42.279 That country road took me home place you belonged. And 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:45.120 I had a very very very nice lift driver. Sir, 0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:47.880 if you're if you buy a sub chance, listened to podcasts. 0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:48.759 You were very nice. 0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:49.040 Thank you. 0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:52.000 After what was a very loud day, there was a 0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:56.720 guy holding a rest in peace sign with the photo 0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:00.840 of the guy who attempted to a set state the president, 0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:02.040 with the caption. 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:04.040 In American hero great stuff. 0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:06.760 Yes, I took a photo of it. And the amount 0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:11.640 of people leaving the yards see that just shouted their worst. 0:44:11.920 --> 0:44:16.000 Many slurs at him were countless. And I don't know 0:44:16.320 --> 0:44:20.640 if anything else happened further after that, but very strange choice. 0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:22.040 That is an interesting move. 0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:24.719 All I know is that based on the last postings 0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:30.560 of the victim of that shooting, Corey comparatour, he'll get 0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:30.920 over it. 0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:36.759 The Japanese dead Well. Anyway, That wraps up our coverage 0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:39.879 this week of the Republican National Convention. We will lead 0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:44.280 next week with Trump's first public speech since the shooting. 0:44:44.600 --> 0:44:46.120 That'll be dropping Sunday night. 0:44:46.239 --> 0:44:50.440 Maybe a little bit of mere rudy sprinkle of squeeze in, 0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:53.080 some rudy as a tree, some squeeze in like like 0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:55.000 he squeezed down some of that hair juice. 0:44:55.120 --> 0:44:57.200 That's Jesus Christ. 0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:00.200 Well, thank you for listening to our initial conver of 0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:02.640 the RNC. We have more scripted episodes, more kind of 0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:06.520 polished deep dives about the people and conversations that we 0:45:06.719 --> 0:45:10.120 have had here in beautiful Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:11.880 And remember, folks, if you're going to take a bullet 0:45:11.920 --> 0:45:15.960 for somebody, Donald Trump does not care, not interested at us. 0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:18.200 Not making the funeral is not He is not going 0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:19.480 to show up at your funeral. 0:45:20.680 --> 0:45:24.239 Wow, that's a loud chair, painfully loud chair. You know 0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:27.880 what else is painfully loud? The Heritage Foundation party. 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