Speaker 1: Alz Media America. Is Trump strong?
Speaker 2: Okay, it is so funny.
Speaker 3: Welcome to it could happen here a podcast recorded from
Speaker 3: the Republican National Convention, specifically the hotel where the Idaho
Speaker 3: and North Dakota delegates are gathered. Yeah, fascinating elevator rides.
Speaker 2: And we're thinking today about the memory of that guy
Speaker 2: that Trump does not know the name of who got
Speaker 2: shot to death, Corey k. They've definitely pronounced every time
Speaker 2: they've said it wrong.
Speaker 1: Every single person who spoke the last few days pronounced
Speaker 1: his name differently, And I was like, well, finally they
Speaker 1: have somebody's name to pronounce more incorrectly than they do
Speaker 1: Kabla Harris or Ramaswami.
Speaker 2: And it's look, folks, I'm not gonna laugh at his kids.
Speaker 2: You know, that's a tragedy for them. But what I
Speaker 2: will say is that objectively, it's really funny that this
Speaker 2: guy died for Donald Trump. And Trump very obviously doesn't care, couldn't,
Speaker 2: could not be less important to him, Like there is
Speaker 2: nothing that matters less in this election the man who
Speaker 2: took a bullet for him, And that's really funny. That's
Speaker 2: really funny.
Speaker 1: Anyways, Uh, this is it could happen here. I'm Sophie Licht,
Speaker 1: but we're, like Gara said at the R and C.
Speaker 1: I have Garrisaid Davis with me and Robert Evans.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, very professional, Sophie, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I am your boss. Do you want to tell me
Speaker 1: a little bit about this morning?
Speaker 3: Well, I think first's talk about some of our late
Speaker 3: night escapades.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Time travel cigar Bar.
Speaker 1: Yes, wow, I did not go with you to that event,
Speaker 1: so I go call.
Speaker 3: I agree, that was a good call.
Speaker 2: I counted on the main floor of the cigar Bar
Speaker 2: where the Young Republicans had their party, and six of
Speaker 2: forty people had cigars. I had a cigar you did
Speaker 2: you had acause I brought a selection of my finest Cubans.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was very, very kind of you, Robert.
Speaker 2: I had one of John F. Kennedy's favorite cigars that
Speaker 2: I had been aging for two years waiting for this moment.
Speaker 3: I did like that you had the foresight to bring
Speaker 3: cigars to the art, to.
Speaker 2: Bring extremely high quality. Our buddy Lenny had a three
Speaker 2: year aged partias you had. But I've been drinking and
Speaker 2: I had a lovely have you been quality the best
Speaker 2: cigars there. I talked to everyone who happened to be
Speaker 2: smoking a cigar, and they were all smoking trash like
Speaker 2: a rowin and American garbage, because none of them had
Speaker 2: any kind of look. I don't get into this often.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be like some of our friends
Speaker 2: in the in the far right and and use cigars
Speaker 2: as a totem. I enjoyed my cigars privately, but we
Speaker 2: were going to a cigar bar, so I brought my
Speaker 2: nice cigars and oh was it a cigar bar?
Speaker 1: Were there cigars there? You're just at the word cigars seven.
Speaker 2: It was not lost on me that none of them
Speaker 2: smoked good cigars because they're children, are you know what?
Speaker 2: We had an interview with Rudy Giuliani, and Rudy would
Speaker 2: have understood that man has nice cigars. I'll say that
Speaker 2: about Rudy Giuliani. He knows the cigars, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Great.
Speaker 3: So we've been trying to hit the kind of the
Speaker 3: after part already seen at the RNC, just to see
Speaker 3: kind of what's up. This little cigar party was put
Speaker 3: on by some of the young Republicans from.
Speaker 2: New York primarily in New York. They are very confident
Speaker 2: of a victory, potentially a statewide victory in a national election.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know what, the evidence doesn't make it impossible.
Speaker 2: It doesn't look like it's going to happen from this cycle.
Speaker 2: But twenty twenty eight, New York could be in play.
Speaker 2: And one of the interesting things is that Florida also
Speaker 2: seems to be tightening. Two poles recently show Trump just
Speaker 2: four points ahead of Biden. He won by ten in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. That's a significant tightening and within kind of
Speaker 2: swing state margins, And so it is kind of interesting
Speaker 2: to conceive of the possibility that by twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 2: both New York and Florida could be in play.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I dressed like a nineteen fifties FBI agent
Speaker 3: and trench coat and smoke well done one of these
Speaker 3: cigars as best as I could.
Speaker 2: How'd you like it?
Speaker 3: It was fine.
Speaker 2: It was a nice cigar. It's no clove, good way, God,
Speaker 2: oh my fucking so, give me a gun.
Speaker 3: It was it was. It was a nice little party.
Speaker 3: We talked, We talked to some people. The best thing
Speaker 3: about the party, though, is that there was a series
Speaker 3: of speeches put on by these guys from New York
Speaker 3: that kind of just kept going on. And the longer
Speaker 3: that these speeches and like these fre diferent guys kept
Speaker 3: going on, the music on the roof started to get
Speaker 3: slowly louder and louder and louder, until it was completely
Speaker 3: draining out the speeches, until they just stopped because like, okay,
Speaker 3: the music's too loud now.
Speaker 2: Now and again there are heroes.
Speaker 3: So someone was on that dial just every every two
Speaker 3: minutes it up a little bit.
Speaker 2: There's a guy I follow who has started who followed
Speaker 2: me back in twenty twenty, who was like an election
Speaker 2: poll analysis expert and was like, and it's not a
Speaker 2: political guy, but was like, look, if you show up
Speaker 2: at a convention after party to talk, fuck you like
Speaker 2: people are there to drink, all you should say is
Speaker 2: the bar is open. And I agreed with that, and
Speaker 2: then you know what to skip. We had credit to
Speaker 2: the Heritage Foundation. Nobody ever said anything but that we
Speaker 2: could drink all we wanted.
Speaker 3: That is a Heritage Foundation party, that is right, which
Speaker 3: we will get to later. We were up way too late,
Speaker 3: way too late at some of these after parties. The
Speaker 3: other night and then we had to get up pretty
Speaker 3: early in the morning because we had an interview with
Speaker 3: the CEO of the Texas Public Policy Foundation, which is
Speaker 3: kind of like a mini version the Heritage Foundation, but
Speaker 3: just for Texas. Yeah, the former guy who ran this
Speaker 3: now runs the Heritage Foundation itself, so it's kind of
Speaker 3: like a little bit of a training ground and they
Speaker 3: kind of swap members often. We had a pretty long
Speaker 3: interview that we will turn into some kind of future
Speaker 3: piece of content, discussing everything from woke ideology to the
Speaker 3: mortal rot infecting America to.
Speaker 2: Why mass shootings happened in this country.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, he was. He was very polished, very media trained.
Speaker 2: He easily the best interview subject in terms of his
Speaker 2: like skill liet talking, yeah, that we've had.
Speaker 3: And similarly, I don't think he was quite prepared for
Speaker 3: our line of questioning either, you know, so that he
Speaker 3: got taken it back a little bit by some of
Speaker 3: the questions we were lobbing him. Probably very different from
Speaker 3: the rest of the interviews that he's been doing. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to think if there's any anything specifically about that
Speaker 3: interview that's worth mentioning. Now, you know, what really.
Speaker 2: Interests me because the shooting is so relevant, I will
Speaker 2: bring up the shooting. We talked about why the guy
Speaker 2: who tried to kill Trump had done it, and he
Speaker 2: and I were kind of the same mind, the same
Speaker 2: mind that you are, Garrison, which is that this was
Speaker 2: a school shooter type thing and that was the primary
Speaker 2: reason behind the ideology. And this is before now some
Speaker 2: stuff has come out since that has made that seem
Speaker 2: even more likely. But it was interesting to like, kind
Speaker 2: of have that not be a controversial part of the conversation.
Speaker 2: This was not a radical left shooting. There was no
Speaker 2: sort of attempt by him to claim it as that.
Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, this seems like a guy. We
Speaker 2: have a deep sickness in this country, and we clearly
Speaker 2: disagreed with him about the specifics of where the sickness
Speaker 2: comes from. But the sickness leads to some people who
Speaker 2: just want to do mass shootings that are not political.
Speaker 2: And uh, that was interesting to me.
Speaker 3: No, And and one of the big things talked about
Speaker 3: in terms of this moral rot is that there is
Speaker 3: something lacking in our country, specifically with young men. There's
Speaker 3: there is there is this lack of purpose among the
Speaker 3: young men which makes them do these kind of violent acts.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with that, sure, and I think I
Speaker 2: think I disagree with.
Speaker 3: His solutions and some and some some of his diagnosis
Speaker 3: in certain ways, right because he he'll attribute that lack
Speaker 3: to certain things that we might.
Speaker 2: Not morality at the home, and sure, you.
Speaker 3: Know, all these all those kind of things, but you know,
Speaker 3: that was that that was kind of his his take,
Speaker 3: you know. And then we also talk about everything from
Speaker 3: like the influence of billionaires on these right wing think
Speaker 3: tanks and political candidates, Catholics versus Evangelicals. It was an
Speaker 3: interesting conversation that I'm sure you'll hear in becoming weeks
Speaker 3: and we'll kind of explain why we want you to
Speaker 3: hear from this guy who's, you know, typically probably pretty
Speaker 3: adversarial to the type of stuff that we talk about
Speaker 3: on this show. But after this interview, I met up
Speaker 3: with Sophie lichterman Hey and we talked to the people
Speaker 3: at the actual Heritage Foundation booth who had many a
Speaker 3: pamphlet and I collected all of the gender ideology pamphlets,
Speaker 3: which will also be a future deep dive. Kind of Curiously,
Speaker 3: they did not have a single pamphlet about Project twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five. Nope, No, And they didn't like talking about
Speaker 3: it either. They said that Project twenty twenty five is,
Speaker 3: you know, a coalition effort between both Heritage and all
Speaker 3: these other groups, but they're not really talking about it
Speaker 3: here today because it's not Trump's policy platform. Trump has
Speaker 3: his own policy platform. This is just a list of
Speaker 3: policy suggestions for lawmakers once they get into office. So
Speaker 3: they like to talk about a whole bunch of other stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, certain things that are kind of a part
Speaker 3: of Project twenty twenty five, but nothing about the actual
Speaker 3: you know, document itself, partially due to the kind of
Speaker 3: negative backlash that it has received, and you know, it
Speaker 3: seems to be kind of widely unliked for various reasons.
Speaker 3: So I think it was interesting that they weren't even
Speaker 3: pushing it at an event like this.
Speaker 2: You know, again with the Texas Policy Foundation, gut we
Speaker 2: talked about when we brought it up. He was pretty
Speaker 2: open about the fact that it's not popular. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: his attitude was that in the future, once we win,
Speaker 2: we can try and build consensus around it. But he
Speaker 2: didn't try to deny the fact that, like, it's widely
Speaker 2: disliked by the electorate.
Speaker 3: And it is against a lot of things that are
Speaker 3: on the Republican policy platform for the actual party. Sophie,
Speaker 3: you had a wonderful conversation with some of they's heritage folks.
Speaker 1: Let's just say that my very blonde hair and the
Speaker 1: pig tills that I or most of this week made
Speaker 1: it very easy for these folks to talk to me,
Speaker 1: which is unsettling.
Speaker 3: A little bit frightening, but useful.
Speaker 2: But very very very scary.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: A question I've been asking a lot of the folks
Speaker 1: that I've talked to this week is mostly about their
Speaker 1: opinions about education. And you know, if there is a
Speaker 1: shift in power with Trump being elected in a v
Speaker 1: what exactly they would want to do. And the overall
Speaker 1: majority answer from these groups is that they want to
Speaker 1: take away power from the federal government and bring it
Speaker 1: to the states, and that would be universal school choice.
Speaker 1: And so got a little bit of that from them.
Speaker 1: They also mentioned something about one of the biggest roadblocks
Speaker 1: being student loans.
Speaker 3: While also being very against student learned for forgiveness specifically,
Speaker 3: So it's kind of a it was an interesting position.
Speaker 3: I'll want to read some more of their pamphlets on.
Speaker 1: That but anyways that just talks with them more, got
Speaker 1: more of their pamphlets, and Garrison and I asked them
Speaker 1: about the states that they choose to operate in.
Speaker 3: And specifically for their lobbying group as opposed to just
Speaker 3: like the think tank, they have this other thing I
Speaker 3: think called Heritage Action, which operates differently because of certain
Speaker 3: laws around lobbying.
Speaker 2: It's kind of where they try to train a lot
Speaker 2: of new people up. They had a lot of advertisements
Speaker 2: that they did something like fifteen.
Speaker 3: More on the ground activism type stuff.
Speaker 1: And Garret, what was the answer they gave? I thought
Speaker 1: it was interesting you asked a question for why they
Speaker 1: didn't go in certain states.
Speaker 3: Yes, so they had this map of what states they
Speaker 3: were active in, and there were certain states, you know,
Speaker 3: like Oregon, Washington, or whole bunch of the New England states,
Speaker 3: and they just weren't active in because they didn't think
Speaker 3: they would be very effective. They weren't make any leeway.
Speaker 3: It's just it's just not worth it. It's not going
Speaker 3: to move towards actual electoral victories. But there was other
Speaker 3: there's other states like Wyoming and a few others that
Speaker 3: they weren't active in for different reasons because of specific
Speaker 3: regulations regarding donor transparency that they were strongly against the
Speaker 3: states that require there to be transparency for people who
Speaker 3: donate to these kind of political groups, and in protest
Speaker 3: of those regulations and laws, they are completely inactive in
Speaker 3: those states, which is a funny way of saying, we
Speaker 3: just want to hide whoever gives us money. And that
Speaker 3: is that was a little interesting piece of information regarding
Speaker 3: you know, there's just states they just don't operate and
Speaker 3: because they do not want to see or have it
Speaker 3: made public where their kind of money is coming in
Speaker 3: and out of, at least for the Heritage Action part
Speaker 3: of the group.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was overall just interesting that there was you know,
Speaker 1: at this booth, there was about five different I would say,
Speaker 1: twenty something.
Speaker 3: Women, twenty something died blonde to women.
Speaker 1: Yes, And they invited me to their Heritage social party
Speaker 1: that they were having that was across from the main
Speaker 1: convention where you needed an access code to get in,
Speaker 1: and they gave you that flyer and.
Speaker 3: You will hear all about that. We took advantage of that.
Speaker 3: At the end of the episode. You will get a
Speaker 3: special inside look at the Heritage Foundation's private invite only exclusive.
Speaker 2: Part was off the record. Now does it count? No,
Speaker 2: of course not. I promised that lady that what she
Speaker 2: said to me was off the record, and I won't
Speaker 2: say any more about that. But I didn't promise that
Speaker 2: to anyone else.
Speaker 3: Do you know what's on the record, Robert, what you
Speaker 3: said later?
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Speaker 2: That also that also is off the record. On the record. Whatever,
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Speaker 3: We are back, and don't worry. You will hear about
Speaker 3: this special Heritage Foundation party in a sect. But first
Speaker 3: I want to play for you a whole interview that
Speaker 3: I collected. Just down the hall from the Heritage Foundation booth,
Speaker 3: the American Conservation Coalition had at a pretty large section
Speaker 3: of the RNC convention fest you know, list of vendors,
Speaker 3: kind of more typical like you know, convention type stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, like if you go to like a comic
Speaker 3: on or something, it's a lot of like vendors and
Speaker 3: booths that this kind of section of the r and C.
Speaker 3: So they had this pretty big booth and it was
Speaker 3: the only time I've ever seen anything mentioned about climate change.
Speaker 3: So I was interested to see what conservatives talking about
Speaker 3: climate change sound like what they're saying, and I'll just
Speaker 3: play that interview here right now. Do you want introducing
Speaker 3: yourself in the organization you're with. Sure.
Speaker 4: My name's Carl Matthews.
Speaker 5: I'm the vice president of Communications at the American Conservation Coalition,
Speaker 5: which is the largest conservative grassroots environmental organization in the country.
Speaker 3: So the few things that interests me about your group,
Speaker 3: I mean, especially if you look back in the last
Speaker 3: one hundred years, like environmental conservation has been historically a
Speaker 3: much more conservative standpoint. You can look at like presidents
Speaker 3: in the nineteen twenties, there was a huge push for that,
Speaker 3: and somewhere along the lines that's kind of been lost
Speaker 3: for like a number of reasons. I guess what is
Speaker 3: your main mission here with this organization?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's interesting you bring up kind of the
Speaker 5: history of conservative conservation because we have a timeline here
Speaker 5: at the RNC showing all the Republican presidents who have
Speaker 5: really engaged on this issue, from Ulysses Grant to Teddy
Speaker 5: Roosevelt to more modern presidents like Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan
Speaker 5: and even HW Bush. So what we're really doing here
Speaker 5: with the American Conservation Coalition is building the conservative environmental movement,
Speaker 5: specifically among young Americans who frankly feel kind of disenfranchised
Speaker 5: by both parties on the issue of climate and the environment.
Speaker 5: The left has taken a really doom and gloom approach
Speaker 5: to these issues that isn't very inspiring for a lot
Speaker 5: of young folks, and in the last thirty years, conservatives haven't.
Speaker 4: Engaged very productively.
Speaker 5: So we're here showing that conservation is conservative, those values
Speaker 5: are inherently entwined, and it's okay to call for action
Speaker 5: on environmental issues like climate change.
Speaker 3: I guess. Yeah. Let's start more on like the big topic,
Speaker 3: which is which is climate change, and we can get
Speaker 3: into like local conservation. What is your take on the
Speaker 3: current climate scenario, because like ever since, ever since the
Speaker 3: early two thousands, there's been this, you know, for a
Speaker 3: lot of young people, slightly worrying trend of you have
Speaker 3: the politicians just either either seriously downgrading, you know, the
Speaker 3: scale of this problem or just thinking there is no problem.
Speaker 3: What is your take both on I guess on that part,
Speaker 3: and then how you see the climate you know crisis,
Speaker 3: the climate issue that we are dealing with. Where do
Speaker 3: you see it? Heaving?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so was founded because conservatives weren't engaging on this issue.
Speaker 5: So for the last six seven years we've been really
Speaker 5: pushing conservatives, especially conservative elected leaders, to re engage in
Speaker 5: a productive way. And I think we've done that really effectively.
Speaker 5: In DC where I live, the Conservative Climate Caucus in
Speaker 5: the House, which is a group of Republican lawmakers interested
Speaker 5: in tackling the issue of climate change, has eighty seven members.
Speaker 5: It's the fourth largest in the Republican conference. So we're
Speaker 5: seeing a big kind of shift in the Overton window there.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think young people want elected leaders who
Speaker 5: recognize that we have an issue, recognize that we have
Speaker 5: a challenge in climate change, and want practical solutions like
Speaker 5: expanding clean, reliable nuclear energy, like pursuing permitting reform to
Speaker 5: actually allow American energy projects to be built. So I
Speaker 5: think we take a really kind of level headed, rational
Speaker 5: approach to these issues that really resonates with young people.
Speaker 3: What's the main difference in how you view the climate
Speaker 3: issue as opposed to someone like AOC right or like
Speaker 3: these these more like progressive democrats of view, this is
Speaker 3: a very existential crisis. You have to get fossil fuels
Speaker 3: under control. These kind of timelines that we hear, you know,
Speaker 3: by twenty fifty, by twenty seventy, by even like something
Speaker 3: like twenty thirty, Right, how it becomes like a cascading problem.
Speaker 3: How differently do you view the current situation than you know,
Speaker 3: these progressive Democrats.
Speaker 5: Sure, like I said, climate change is a challenge. It's
Speaker 5: certainly something that we need to tackle, but we don't
Speaker 5: view it through kind of this doom and gloom lens
Speaker 5: where we're going to die in twelve, ten, five years,
Speaker 5: whatever the current timeline is on the left. But we
Speaker 5: do see a need for all of the above energy.
Speaker 5: So we recognize that energy demand is continuing to expand,
Speaker 5: but we also need to protect our environment. So we
Speaker 5: need to kind of consider that trilemma reliable, affordable, and
Speaker 5: clean when we're looking at our energy portfolio in the future.
Speaker 5: And I think that's what really kind of distinguishes us
Speaker 5: from the left in that we're not calling for a
Speaker 5: divestment of fossil fuels.
Speaker 4: We're calling for a.
Speaker 5: Rational, level headed energy strategy that will lower emissions. But
Speaker 5: in kind of a more realistic way.
Speaker 3: Do you think that time land's gonna be more stretched out?
Speaker 3: Because I mean, if if you look at you know,
Speaker 3: the way current current levels are heading. As soon as
Speaker 3: we hit like two point five degrees, not just that change,
Speaker 3: but the level of cascading environmental effects, right, one thing changes.
Speaker 3: Now everything gets worse because when stuff melts, then it
Speaker 3: changes the way like thermal regulation of the whole planet works,
Speaker 3: and then it becomes this kind of cascating problem. And
Speaker 3: I feel like we're trying to get out in front
Speaker 3: of it before it happens that every day that kind
Speaker 3: of feels less and less likely, at least for a
Speaker 3: lot of people like my age, and it can be
Speaker 3: a very doom and gloom scenario because you feel like
Speaker 3: no one's taking this problem seriously. Even Joe Biden's climate
Speaker 3: policy is very inadequate according to like a lot of
Speaker 3: a lot of the people that I talk to. I
Speaker 3: guess seel like, how do you view like the scale
Speaker 3: of this problem right now?
Speaker 5: Yeah, climate change is the kind of environmental challenge of
Speaker 5: our time, right it should be what you know we're
Speaker 5: thinking about and focusing on when it comes to environmental policy.
Speaker 5: But I really think we need to kind of take
Speaker 5: a step back, and that kind of push for urgency
Speaker 5: hasn't gotten us anywhere to your point. You know, Joe
Speaker 5: Biden is kind of branding himself as the Climate President.
Speaker 5: You know a lot of young people are unhappy with
Speaker 5: the platform that he's put forwards. So I think when
Speaker 5: you're talking about the timeline, we're talking about what we
Speaker 5: can do right now to kind of unleash American energy,
Speaker 5: to reduce American emissions, but also global emissions.
Speaker 4: And really think of this on a global scale.
Speaker 5: So that urgency piece isn't quite you know, realistic, or
Speaker 5: isn't quite what we want to focus on because I
Speaker 5: don't think it.
Speaker 4: Leads to action.
Speaker 3: There's kind of two trains of thought in terms of
Speaker 3: like climate policy stuff. There's taking like adaptation roots, right,
Speaker 3: trying to adapt to a changing environment that we're going
Speaker 3: to have to face it it's going to happen, versus mitigation.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: For a while, we were trying to find ways to
Speaker 3: mitigate the problem to kind of get ahead of it, right,
Speaker 3: and that is feeling less and less likely, and we
Speaker 3: are seeing more of these adaptive strategies getting adopted.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: There's everything from like you know, people are trying to
Speaker 3: develop better carbon capture, which has its own problems as
Speaker 3: a technology. And you know, everything from like geoengineering even
Speaker 3: to like solar blockage. There's a lot of things people
Speaker 3: are thinking, like, if we don't get like emissions under control,
Speaker 3: we're gonna have to go to similar more of as
Speaker 3: extreme measures. How much of your focus is on adapt
Speaker 3: developments versus just mitigation, Well, we definitely need both.
Speaker 5: To your point, we have to adapt to a change
Speaker 5: in climate, but we also need to be reducing emissions
Speaker 5: to kind of prevent future effects. So I think we
Speaker 5: kind of set a balance between adaptation and mitigation, and frankly,
Speaker 5: I think sometimes they can be really kind of connected
Speaker 5: and entwined. So something we focus on, for instance, is
Speaker 5: regenerative agriculture, which lowers emissions associated with agriculture but also
Speaker 5: helps the land kind of adjust to a change in climate,
Speaker 5: keeps the soil healthy, things like that. So I really
Speaker 5: think when we're talking about climate we can talk about
Speaker 5: adaptation and mitigation kind of at the same time.
Speaker 3: How do you try to do outreach to a vast
Speaker 3: number of Republicans conservatives who simply don't think this is
Speaker 3: a problem, who like just deny this as a problem.
Speaker 3: I think this is like a scam in some way.
Speaker 3: How do you try to tackle that as coming from
Speaker 3: a like an also conservative position.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So, I mean we're here at the Republican National Convention,
Speaker 5: and it's been really interesting talking to a lot of
Speaker 5: folks from diverse backgrounds about the issue of climate and
Speaker 5: also environmental conservation.
Speaker 4: I really do think it matters how you start the conversation.
Speaker 5: We talked earlier about kind of our timeline of the
Speaker 5: legacy of conservative environmentalism. Starting there and talking about how
Speaker 5: we can carry on that legacy and how we can
Speaker 5: tackle kind of this environmental issue of our time has
Speaker 5: been really effective and we've gotten a lot of positive reception.
Speaker 5: You know, there's always going to be disagreement, there's always
Speaker 5: going to be detractors, but I do think that there's
Speaker 5: more and more of kind of that acceptance that we
Speaker 5: need to take care of our own backyard, and that includes,
Speaker 5: you know, tackling climate change.
Speaker 3: How much stuff do you end up having to you know,
Speaker 3: talk about our not necessarily focused on at least talk
Speaker 3: about like actual fossil fuel emissions, for racking, these types
Speaker 3: of things that are like mainstays of politics because of
Speaker 3: how much money goes into them, but undeniably are a
Speaker 3: massive contributing factor, and we do need to move to
Speaker 3: probably some more nuclear options to forgive the expression, I guess,
Speaker 3: and you know as well as like a like a
Speaker 3: solar hydro, which are you know, less good than nuclear
Speaker 3: on like a large scale. But like you know, especially
Speaker 3: for the for the Republican Party, trying to trying to
Speaker 3: point out certain things about how we will have to
Speaker 3: scale back some degree of fossil fuels, if not you know,
Speaker 3: a majority of it in the next twenty five years,
Speaker 3: if we want to, if we want to not have
Speaker 3: like a pretty bad scenario at least for not even
Speaker 3: just for humans, but for like animals in other parts
Speaker 3: of the environment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I think that goes back to the all
Speaker 5: of the above energy approach and really diversifying our energy portfolio,
Speaker 5: which frankly is not only good for the environment, but
Speaker 5: good for energy security. We've seen you know, hacking of
Speaker 5: pipelines or other kind of cyber energy attacks. So by
Speaker 5: diversifying sources, we're really setting ourselves up to have a
Speaker 5: more secure energy grid. So I think there's other ways
Speaker 5: that you can talk about you know, environmental actions, climate
Speaker 5: actions that have co benefits, and we can talk about
Speaker 5: that in a really productive way with Republicans.
Speaker 3: Do you also focus on like local ecology efforts, like
Speaker 3: you know, like some of the more like Roosevelt style
Speaker 3: a conservation is that thing that you also kind of
Speaker 3: try to like advocate for. Also, it's like an on
Speaker 3: ramch talk about these like broader climate issues.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: I love that framing that you used as kind of
Speaker 5: the entry point to climate issues. We have fifty thousand
Speaker 5: young members across the country in about one hundred branches,
Speaker 5: either on college campuses or in young professional communities, and
Speaker 5: they go out and they plant trees in their communities,
Speaker 5: They do park cleanups, they clean up a waterway, They
Speaker 5: have educational speakers to learn more about these issues.
Speaker 4: And we found that that's really really.
Speaker 5: Effective in building this conservative environmental movement and showing that
Speaker 5: these values are connected, they're compatible, and then that can
Speaker 5: lead to advocacy on the national level for things like
Speaker 5: we talked about nuclear energy or other clean energy sources.
Speaker 4: So that's been really effective for us.
Speaker 3: What would you like to see as a conservative climate
Speaker 3: policy in like ten years, Like what would you hope
Speaker 3: gets adopted to help curtail like you know, these more
Speaker 3: catastrophic scenarios.
Speaker 4: Great question, and I would hope it perhaps a little
Speaker 4: bit earlier than ten.
Speaker 3: Years absolutely, but I'm just based on how things have gone.
Speaker 4: Sure, So we have kind of a big three that
Speaker 4: we're focused on right now.
Speaker 5: Permitting reforms, so getting the government out of its own way, frankly,
Speaker 5: to fight climate change, and unleash American energy in the
Speaker 5: form of clean energy, nuclear, solar, wind, geothermal, hydropower, and
Speaker 5: really kind of expand what we can build in this country. Again,
Speaker 5: nuclear energy is really one of the focuses for us
Speaker 5: because it's a baseload energy source that can run twenty
Speaker 5: four to seven, it's clean, and it's really secure. So
Speaker 5: we're really focused on nuclear. And then the last thing
Speaker 5: is American energy dominance. Here in the United States, we
Speaker 5: produce energy safer, cleaner, and more efficiently, and we really
Speaker 5: want to be a leader on the world stage when
Speaker 5: it comes to energy.
Speaker 3: I think that there is a lot of people, both
Speaker 3: like you know, progressive Democrats who really care about this issue,
Speaker 3: as well as you know a lot of Republicans and
Speaker 3: liberals who have a lot of skepticism about nuclear energy.
Speaker 3: Right for some good reasons. There have been some unfortunate
Speaker 3: events that have happened, and I know like fission and
Speaker 3: fusion have been slowly getting better where I feel like
Speaker 3: we're close to some kind of breakthrough, but we do
Speaker 3: have like kind of a limited time. How do you
Speaker 3: approach kind of talking to people who have a level
Speaker 3: of risk in terms of nuclear energy and like the
Speaker 3: possible dangers that it's had based on a few accidents,
Speaker 3: even though a lot of a lot of these plants
Speaker 3: are relatively safe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love this question.
Speaker 5: I grew up an hour south of Three Mile Island
Speaker 5: in Pennsylvania, so I have a lot of experience with
Speaker 5: nuclear skepticism. Look, I mean nuclear energy is the safest
Speaker 5: and cleanest form that we have in our back pocket. Yes,
Speaker 5: there have been some unfortunate incidents, frankly they're human error,
Speaker 5: and we understand nuclear power a lot better now. We
Speaker 5: have more safeguards in place since incidents like Chernobyl or
Speaker 5: Three Mile Island, and we haven't seen a nuclear meltdown
Speaker 5: that we were promised in the Simpsons or the China
Speaker 5: syndrome or something like that. The fact is nuclear quote
Speaker 5: waste is really nuclear spent fuel, and we can recycle
Speaker 5: that and keep producing clean nuclear power. We have incredibly
Speaker 5: well trained nuclear experts at all of our power plants
Speaker 5: across the United States and they produce clean, reliable energy
Speaker 5: for consumers all over the country. So we really need
Speaker 5: to kind of get over those messaging hurdles with nuclear
Speaker 5: and expand the industry here.
Speaker 3: What do you think will happen if your concerns go unheard?
Speaker 3: Like if this just doesn't this just does doesn't work.
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of continue at the scale and
Speaker 3: like a timeline they have been. What worries do you have?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a really existential question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think we're in the seven years
Speaker 5: since we've been founded, we're working really hard to build
Speaker 5: coalitions with a lot of different stakes and be heard
Speaker 5: by a lot of different folks in power, and frankly,
Speaker 5: I'm hopeful that we will you know, pursue solutions to
Speaker 5: climate change. That we will you know, for lack of
Speaker 5: a better term, get our act together and pursue these solutions.
Speaker 5: And really, I think the biggest thing that I like
Speaker 5: to focus on when it comes to climate advocacy is
Speaker 5: optimism and this idea that you know, the planet is
Speaker 5: our one common denominator and we can unite around that
Speaker 5: and you know, already in Congress, we've seen bipartisan legislation
Speaker 5: in a really polarizing time that focuses on climate.
Speaker 4: Probably the last big package.
Speaker 5: In the one hundred and eighteenth Congress was a nuclear
Speaker 5: package to unleash next generation nuclears. So, I know, I'm
Speaker 5: not exactly answering your question, but I am extremely optimistic
Speaker 5: about the future.
Speaker 3: Do you think there's a path towards some kind of
Speaker 3: bipartisan advocacy not just in like the Senate, but also
Speaker 3: like in terms of like environmental movements and like protests.
Speaker 3: And obviously there's certain people who employ very theatrical tactics
Speaker 3: that maybe don't correlate to much improved means, But do
Speaker 3: you see there's a possibility of, like you know, a
Speaker 3: larger public call for action on this issue? I mean mean,
Speaker 3: something that we've covered on our show a while ago
Speaker 3: is like will it take something like a general strike
Speaker 3: to even like get people to like realize like we
Speaker 3: need this to be done? Like not necessarily that option,
Speaker 3: but like do you see like a route towards more
Speaker 3: of bipartisan activism and advocacy of this issue.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great question. We do a lot of
Speaker 5: bridge building work. I was actually in Los Angeles earlier
Speaker 5: this year with a group of conservative climate advocates and
Speaker 5: progressive climate advocates and we talked about solutions where there's
Speaker 5: common ground, and then we finished the day by doing
Speaker 5: a beach clean up together. So I really do think
Speaker 5: there's a lot of opportunity to kind of unite on
Speaker 5: this issue, especially in younger generations. When I talked about
Speaker 5: hope earlier, they're the ones who really give me hope,
Speaker 5: and I think there's a lot of common ground that
Speaker 5: we can pursue together.
Speaker 3: That's all I had, and less you have any other notes,
Speaker 3: w or points you wanted to mention.
Speaker 5: If you want to find a ACC, you can find
Speaker 5: us at a dot eco or ACC Underscore National on
Speaker 5: social platforms.
Speaker 4: But that's it for me.
Speaker 3: Well, I hope that was slightly informative, and now we
Speaker 3: will inform you about the Heritage Foundation's private exclusive party
Speaker 3: after these messages. Okay, we are back.
Speaker 1: We are back, and we are ready to tell you, Oh,
Speaker 1: five pigtails. Let us infiltrate famous hate group, the Heritage
Speaker 1: Foundations social house party.
Speaker 2: We got all up in the first off, a lot
Speaker 2: of microwave great food.
Speaker 3: It was the worst food we've had in all of
Speaker 3: Milwaukee was the Heritage and Foundation Great Meals. Yes, that
Speaker 3: is a very notable that the Heritage Foundation had the
Speaker 3: worst food that we've had this entire week.
Speaker 2: Not shocked.
Speaker 1: First of all, they let you two as well as
Speaker 1: another one of our friends come in off of my
Speaker 1: access code, which is very funny, and that we took
Speaker 1: one of the most hilarious photos we've ever taken together.
Speaker 2: And then we then we met with one of the
Speaker 2: producers the Daily Wire and watched him try to figure
Speaker 2: out who we are as I introduced him name he was.
Speaker 2: He was just calculating and then some lady came up
Speaker 2: and disrupted and we just fucking.
Speaker 3: You can see the little like thinking thing.
Speaker 1: Like third grade edition, and it wasn't the math was
Speaker 1: not mathing.
Speaker 3: It was like that one BABC Sherlock scene. He was
Speaker 3: trying to pull up. He was trying to pull up
Speaker 3: the files. Didn't work, didn't work, didn't have enough time.
Speaker 3: We stayed in that party, Robert, you seen that party
Speaker 3: for like five straight hours.
Speaker 2: I was there for a long time. For every drink
Speaker 2: I wanted to drink, I would order another and just
Speaker 2: pour it out because I wanted I wanted to make
Speaker 2: them spend the money.
Speaker 3: It was going to go somewhere free for us, but
Speaker 3: not free for them. So as Robert was was schmooshin
Speaker 3: with the Heritage Foundations, guys. Mean, so he went into
Speaker 3: the Connection Center to hear some speeches, and them today
Speaker 3: honestly pretty boring, and even even the notable ones were
Speaker 3: also kind of boring. The one I guess we'll talk
Speaker 3: about just very briefly is Don Junior's speech. First, he
Speaker 3: brought out his daughter, Trump's granddaughter.
Speaker 1: Before you get to that, do you want to go
Speaker 1: over what the theme of the day was.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, maybe we can, we can mention it.
Speaker 3: I don't feel how relevant it was to any of
Speaker 3: the speeches. It was just make America strong.
Speaker 1: It was strong once again, sorry once again?
Speaker 2: All right, interesting that they didn't want to sound out Massa.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: Anyways, I guess I guess it's really not that relevant.
Speaker 1: I just just to point out that on the previous
Speaker 1: days for the different themes, there was very intricate backgrounds
Speaker 1: that were up.
Speaker 3: They didn't anything too strong again, they were like they.
Speaker 1: Phoned it the fucking yeah, and there was no interesting
Speaker 1: background Anyways, Garrett, what were you saying?
Speaker 3: So Donald Trump Junior's daughter, So Trump, the actual real
Speaker 3: ones granddaughter gave this little, this little speechman to humanize her.
Speaker 1: Grand Grandpa is a nice guy, calls me and asks
Speaker 1: me how I am.
Speaker 3: That was basically the speech, which is lovely. Is sure?
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 1: It was her first speech. I don't think any of
Speaker 1: the other grandchildren have given speeches before.
Speaker 3: No, this is kind of the first appearance of one
Speaker 3: of Trump's grandkids.
Speaker 1: Yes, And the way it was framed is Don Junior
Speaker 1: came up and then was like she just called me.
Speaker 1: It was very intentionally propaganda's.
Speaker 3: It was also the most happy I've seen Trump this
Speaker 3: entire week, though.
Speaker 2: He might actually care about his granddaughter.
Speaker 3: Yes, definitely more than his son hard it would be
Speaker 3: hard to care less.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure how much they've they've shown it
Speaker 1: on TV, but you know, I had a view of
Speaker 1: him the entire night tonight right from where I was sitting.
Speaker 1: I was an angle where I could see his face,
Speaker 1: and they showed his face on the screen a bunch,
Speaker 1: and he was genuinely stoic. I would say he smiled
Speaker 1: for his granddaughter, definitely the most and maybe one stirring
Speaker 1: Kimberly Gilfoyle's speech at the very end, but other than that,
Speaker 1: I did not see much emotion from him today, and
Speaker 1: it was pretty similar to the rest of the week.
Speaker 2: I think, you again, you have to keep in mind
Speaker 2: with him whatever I mean, we hate him. He's a
Speaker 2: bad man, he's a monster, would be the worst possible
Speaker 2: president we could have. But he's also a person who
Speaker 2: got shot and he's traumatized, you know, and like you
Speaker 2: don't have to like make up excuses for that. Like,
Speaker 2: he is a human being who was scared because a
Speaker 2: man shot him in the head, and that's really not
Speaker 2: not a complicated thing to diagnose.
Speaker 3: So after the granddaughter gave her a little spiel, Trump
Speaker 3: Junior himself had a little speech that he was basically
Speaker 3: just doing an impression of his father.
Speaker 2: For the entire time, dog shit impressing.
Speaker 3: It's not a very good impression, but compared to Vance,
Speaker 3: it was still it was very impressive.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a sec I will say
Speaker 1: the crowd did really really he.
Speaker 3: Seemed to like him. There was chance, so you know,
Speaker 3: Trump Junior, twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2: It reminded me of when I was at my first
Speaker 2: Trump rally. This would have been in the late spring,
Speaker 2: early summer of twenty sixteen, when fucking Chris Christie conceded
Speaker 2: to Trump. There was a British naturalized citizen in the
Speaker 2: crowd of the rally, and I was like, you want
Speaker 2: them to be president for eight years? And he was like, well,
Speaker 2: I wanted to do president for eight years to start,
Speaker 2: and I was like, to start, what happens next? He's like, well,
Speaker 2: he's got three kids, doesn't he? Then he like walked
Speaker 2: through his basic plan for Trump to have a dynasty
Speaker 2: like the royal family. And I wish I had said,
Speaker 2: go back home, go back home to your fucking country
Speaker 2: with your goddamn royal family. We don't have that here,
Speaker 2: but we might. They wanted it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, late here the idea of the king's becoming increasingly popular.
Speaker 1: You have never told me that story. And I am, oh, well,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 2: I got so much great audio of that guy, Thank
Speaker 2: you so much.
Speaker 1: That is going to haunt me tonight. Garrison. What else?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Trump and had a few funny lines
Speaker 3: making fun of build back better, making some corn pop jokes,
Speaker 3: a corn.
Speaker 1: Pop jokes in the bulbit, very funny.
Speaker 3: The One line I do want to mention is that
Speaker 3: he talked about how the left wants to use the
Speaker 3: First Amendment to show kids explicit drag shows, but they
Speaker 3: want to put you into jail for making a meme,
Speaker 3: something that has never.
Speaker 2: Happened, not a single time, not once. Not Why they
Speaker 2: barely put people into jail for assaulting the capital.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was most of his speech. We then
Speaker 3: heard from Vance's wife, who gave a typical vice first
Speaker 3: lady speech. It wasn't notable. And then we heard from
Speaker 3: Vance himself, the the the hopeful future vice president.
Speaker 1: What sorry, I was taking a nap.
Speaker 3: Wait, Sophie, Sophie, wake up, wake up, we're recording a
Speaker 3: podcast here.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry that just the sound of JD. Vance's name
Speaker 1: put me right to sleep.
Speaker 3: He gave what I would describe people have since described.
Speaker 3: It's kind of a bad speech.
Speaker 2: You guys were in the stadium. I was sitting at
Speaker 2: the Heritage finn Ocean party on an upper roof.
Speaker 1: Do Yeah, what'd they think?
Speaker 2: There were three people during most of it, and then
Speaker 2: like four others filtered in when those guys left, every
Speaker 2: single one of them was disappointed. The only guy who
Speaker 2: liked it was a Fox News reporter, and when he left,
Speaker 2: the people who had been like, well he was okay,
Speaker 2: said well, I hate that I had to lie in
Speaker 2: front of that guy, but he was media. I was
Speaker 2: kind of just sitting on my phone pretending to be
Speaker 2: texting and listening to them, so they didn't really notice me.
Speaker 2: But the ultimate feeling that they expressed repeatedly was that
Speaker 2: was really disappointing. It was really boring, It was really long.
Speaker 2: He is not a great speaker. There was one guy
Speaker 2: who repeatedly said, I don't like that his wife isn't white.
Speaker 2: I wish his wife was white. And then there was
Speaker 2: a guy who was kind of a more libertarian member
Speaker 2: of the Republican Party who I had chatted with, who
Speaker 2: came in and sat down to have a drink and
Speaker 2: you know, was expressing that he liked Vance's speech. And
Speaker 2: the guy said, what are you a Cuban And the
Speaker 2: guy said no, and he's like, well, you're not white.
Speaker 3: So that was great, amazing stuff happening in the Heritage
Speaker 3: Foundation private party.
Speaker 2: The Foundation party was a was a good time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so this is.
Speaker 3: Something I was even seeing in the convention people there,
Speaker 3: you know, there was there was some like you know,
Speaker 3: respectful clapping, but people weren't super into it, at least
Speaker 3: of in the sections that we were at. The lady
Speaker 3: sitting next to me he was, you know, just like
Speaker 3: a Republican woman her maybe fifties or sixties, very very lucid,
Speaker 3: kind of just like kept dozing off just because she
Speaker 3: was so bored, not like because she was sleepy, just
Speaker 3: because she was bored.
Speaker 2: Wasn't a good speech.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: She looks at me and she said, he's so dry.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So at a certain point, I just I just
Speaker 3: kind of whispered to Sophie like, wow, Vance is a
Speaker 3: really dry speaker, and she kind of she kind of
Speaker 3: like nodded awake and started and started started like nodding
Speaker 3: her head in agreement and repeated the same thing to us.
Speaker 3: And I asked her, you know, like, well, who do
Speaker 3: you think would have been a better pick? And she said, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just expected Advance to be a
Speaker 3: better rhetorical speaker. And that was all she would say.
Speaker 3: And I feel like that was kind of generally the vibe.
Speaker 3: Like something else I noticed that he was like actually okay,
Speaker 3: and you know, the certain things he was talking about,
Speaker 3: you know, what he was actually saying. You know, there
Speaker 3: were certain things that were interesting, it was more like
Speaker 3: the way he was saying it. It was it was
Speaker 3: specifically he had no ability to do crowd work. He
Speaker 3: was just reading out the teleprompter and kind of doing
Speaker 3: a slight smile every thirty seconds, and that's all was.
Speaker 3: He wasn't actually really seriously engaging people.
Speaker 2: Make fun of the bits where Trump dances or whatever
Speaker 2: his little moves, but those play those work.
Speaker 3: Even like pointing out people using gestures, kind of anything
Speaker 3: to connect you to the audience. Vance was just so
Speaker 3: was so dry, was so plain.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest action from his speech was just
Speaker 1: the people in the crowd who liked to chant.
Speaker 3: They were just really into chanting.
Speaker 2: Ted Kruz gave him a great He like that he
Speaker 2: kind of lost them early in his speech the night
Speaker 2: before and won them back because he gave them a
Speaker 2: chance to chair repeatedly went through they like that, they
Speaker 2: like to chat, they're chanters.
Speaker 1: Want to give us some of the chanting highlights.
Speaker 3: Gar Yeah, so he was definitely leaning into his hillbilly
Speaker 3: or faux hillbilly background.
Speaker 2: Motherfucker, sorry, your parents made one hundred and seventy five
Speaker 2: thousand goddamn dollars a year speaking to somebody who grew
Speaker 2: up in a fucking rural ass Oklahoma, like fucking carpetbagger.
Speaker 3: That was what he was using for most of his speech.
Speaker 3: He was telling stories about the woman who raised him
Speaker 3: when his own mom was dealing with addiction, who he
Speaker 3: referred to as his mem.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, and fucking goddamn it.
Speaker 3: The first big chant I took note of is he
Speaker 3: told a story about how he was hanging out when
Speaker 3: he was like a kid or like a teen. He
Speaker 3: was hanging out with someone who was known to be
Speaker 3: like a local drug dealer, and his mem told him
Speaker 3: that if she saw him hanging out with that guy again,
Speaker 3: she was going to run him over in a truck,
Speaker 3: run over the drug dealer, and no one's gonna find
Speaker 3: out about it. And the crowd ate this up, chanting
Speaker 3: me ma, me ma, So they were They weren't chanting
Speaker 3: about killing this drug dealer, right, they were chanting about murdering,
Speaker 3: murdering this drug dealer.
Speaker 2: G d Vance never met a drug dealer in his
Speaker 2: fucking life, I'll tell you that one.
Speaker 3: So that was the first one, and the next little
Speaker 3: Bema story he told is that when she was a
Speaker 3: little bit older. He said that after she died, they
Speaker 3: found nineteen loaded handguns all over her house and they
Speaker 3: realized it's because she wasn't able to move very fast,
Speaker 3: so she always wanted a gun no matter where she was,
Speaker 3: she wanted to be in armslength the gun, whether that
Speaker 3: be in the cutlery drawer, by the TV remote, under
Speaker 3: the bed, because because she wanted to protect her family
Speaker 3: even though she was old. And this this led into
Speaker 3: another another chance. Specifically, the nineteen loaded handguns just again
Speaker 3: went the crowd ate that up, and the crowd even
Speaker 3: started just chanting about how good they were at chanting.
Speaker 3: It became very self referential, very like patting yourself on
Speaker 3: the back for chanting.
Speaker 2: Funny, these people love chanting.
Speaker 3: And yeah, that was that was That was most events speech.
Speaker 3: It wasn't very good, it was too long. Almost unanimously,
Speaker 3: people at the Heritage Foundation party did not like it,
Speaker 3: so they did not get that reproval.
Speaker 2: One pseudo positive, which was the Fox News journalist.
Speaker 3: Who I'm sure is contractually obligated to like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, and who the people there made fun
Speaker 2: of when he left.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, we talked to a campaign manager earlier at
Speaker 3: the at the Heritage Party just regarding kind of the
Speaker 3: race in general, mentioning stuff about the upcoming vice presidential debates,
Speaker 3: which the Trump Badman put out a statement saying they
Speaker 3: didn't want to lock down any details on this until
Speaker 3: he actually know who the vice president's going to be.
Speaker 3: That which is a good piece of propaganda. And so,
Speaker 3: and we were talking about that and and bringing it
Speaker 3: up to some of these people at the Heritage Party,
Speaker 3: like who do you think actually is going to be
Speaker 3: the Democratic nominee? Many of them did not believe it
Speaker 3: was going to be Joe Biden. Many of them thought
Speaker 3: that it either could be an unknown candidate at this point,
Speaker 3: or more likely probably kamalaw And this is something that
Speaker 3: I've been noticing is that every time in these speeches
Speaker 3: where they're talking about Joe Biden's policies, they're not just
Speaker 3: saying Joe Biden, They're saying Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's, well, well,
Speaker 3: Kamala Kamala harris in one instance, Kamala Harris's policies. So
Speaker 3: they are already preparing to start shifting their rhetoric onto kamalaw.
Speaker 3: That's something that the opposition's already planning to do. And
Speaker 3: you know, as as of today, which is which is
Speaker 3: Wednesday night, we've heard that both Biden made announcements in
Speaker 3: the same day that he would step down if he
Speaker 3: was to face this serious medical diagnosis. And he also
Speaker 3: got COVID the same So.
Speaker 2: The look on your face when we told you that
Speaker 2: Joe Biden had COVID you were you were thrilled.
Speaker 3: Okay, well we shouldn't say that either. Anyway. That is
Speaker 3: kind of a brief glimpse into the Heritage Foundation party.
Speaker 3: I guess that the vibes were more similar to what
Speaker 3: is I think well known now as the least a
Speaker 3: good episode of The Boys, that that private tech night
Speaker 3: party combined with like a frat, a frat bro bar hop.
Speaker 2: What I'll say about this is they had an EDM
Speaker 2: track set to Country Road Take Me Home. I will
Speaker 2: say that like if you were to if you were
Speaker 2: to put that side by side with the plane crash
Speaker 2: that killed the author of that song, I think he
Speaker 2: would agree with you. This party was worse.
Speaker 1: One more thing I wanted to note was I did
Speaker 1: not go to the party for seven hundred hours like
Speaker 1: the two of you. I went home after all the
Speaker 1: speeches home, I went back to the hotel after all
Speaker 1: the speeches.
Speaker 2: Did that country road take you home?
Speaker 1: That country road took me home place you belonged. And
Speaker 1: I had a very very very nice lift driver. Sir,
Speaker 1: if you're if you buy a sub chance, listened to podcasts.
Speaker 1: You were very nice.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: After what was a very loud day, there was a
Speaker 1: guy holding a rest in peace sign with the photo
Speaker 1: of the guy who attempted to a set state the president,
Speaker 1: with the caption.
Speaker 2: In American hero great stuff.
Speaker 1: Yes, I took a photo of it. And the amount
Speaker 1: of people leaving the yards see that just shouted their worst.
Speaker 1: Many slurs at him were countless. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if anything else happened further after that, but very strange choice.
Speaker 3: That is an interesting move.
Speaker 2: All I know is that based on the last postings
Speaker 2: of the victim of that shooting, Corey comparatour, he'll get
Speaker 2: over it.
Speaker 3: The Japanese dead Well. Anyway, That wraps up our coverage
Speaker 3: this week of the Republican National Convention. We will lead
Speaker 3: next week with Trump's first public speech since the shooting.
Speaker 3: That'll be dropping Sunday night.
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit of mere rudy sprinkle of squeeze in,
Speaker 2: some rudy as a tree, some squeeze in like like
Speaker 2: he squeezed down some of that hair juice.
Speaker 1: That's Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for listening to our initial conver of
Speaker 3: the RNC. We have more scripted episodes, more kind of
Speaker 3: polished deep dives about the people and conversations that we
Speaker 3: have had here in beautiful Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: And remember, folks, if you're going to take a bullet
Speaker 2: for somebody, Donald Trump does not care, not interested at us.
Speaker 3: Not making the funeral is not He is not going
Speaker 3: to show up at your funeral.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a loud chair, painfully loud chair. You know
Speaker 2: what else is painfully loud? The Heritage Foundation party. Anyway,
Speaker 2: we're done, goodnight, good night.
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