WEBVTT - The Unsealed Files 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:06.400 The level of brutality is something I don't think that 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:07.960 even I was prepared for. 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.319 Did this really happen? Did I do this? Or was 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:14.120 this a fever dream? 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.639 I can only imagine the horror that she experienced in 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:18.280 those moments. 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:29.080 This is the Idaho Massacre, a production of KAT Studios 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:37.600 and iHeartRadio, Season three, Episode three, The Unsealed Files. I'm 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:41.280 Courtney Armstrong, a producer at KAT Studios with Stephanie Leideger 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:47.680 and Gabriel Castillo. For nearly three years, much of the 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:52.800 case against Brian Coberger has remained sealed, hidden behind reactions, 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:58.480 legal arguments, and courtroom silence. But now that silence is breaking. 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.960 Shortly after the convicted killer was led off to begin 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:07.800 his life sentence, hundreds of pages of investigative documents were unsealed, 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:13.720 giving us our most detailed look yet into the case 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:18.280 that stunned the country. The evidence, the interviews, and more 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:22.040 information on the chilling timeline of what unfolded in the hours, 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:28.759 days and weeks surrounding the murders of Madison, Mogen, Kaylei Gonzalvez, Xanakernodle, 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:34.680 and Ethan Chapin. What do these newly revealed documents tell 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.679 us how do they change our perception of what went 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:41.399 on that faithful night and what questions do they raise 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:46.920 about motive, surveillance and intent. Today we're diving into what 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:50.400 investigators walked into on that faithful day and what a 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.440 camean in terms of a possible target in this case. 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:59.920 Here's forensic expert Joseph Scott Morgan with our producer Alison Bankston. 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.360 When you were going through these documents, what stood out 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:06.920 the most to you and what surprised you the most? 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:10.200 What jumped out at you forensically level. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:14.720 Of brutality for me because it sounds horribly naive, but 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.040 for me, I think I'd always hoped that it wasn't 0:02:18.040 --> 0:02:20.560 going to be as bad as it has turned out 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.400 to be. I should have known better as an old 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:27.400 death investigator and a forensic scientist, given all the hundreds 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.799 and hundreds of deaths that I worked as a practitioner, 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.640 all the cases I've covered in the media, I was 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:38.720 not prepared for what was the big reveal. For an investigator, 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.920 this is one of the tough parts. You have to 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:46.920 be able to shield yourself from this creeping sensation that 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:49.280 you know you've got destroyed lives in front of you. 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:52.000 You cannot let your guard down in this environment relative 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:54.600 to the task that is at hand. You have to 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.760 focus like a laser. You have to be prepared before 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.160 you go into that dwelling, before you go into the 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.960 individual rooms, of what your plan is, what you're going 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:04.920 to do when you walk in, because if you go 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:08.000 in and you're out of sorts in any way, it 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:11.480 really has potential to train wreck the entire investigation. 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.440 Right absolutely, Joseph, Can you tell us you know about 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.560 what these investigators found that morning. Of course we knew 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:20.560 some of this from the affidavit and previously released documents, 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.040 but you know, these new documents give us an even 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.560 deeper glimpse into what the investigators really truly walked into. 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:29.160 And it's just horrifying. 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:33.480 When investigators come onto any scene, Okay, you're going to 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:37.040 do what's referred to Traditionally, it's referred to as the walkthrough. 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.560 You're observing the scene initially to get this kind of 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:45.920 overview to understand what you're up against. They enter on 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:49.000 the ground floor. There's two bedrooms downstairs in a bath. 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:54.120 They usend the staircase and land on this second floor, 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:58.280 but on the second floor, you've got this kind of 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:05.000 great room combination of where the kitchen and the dining 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:09.200 area is. Xena and Ethan were on the second floor. 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.880 We learned that Xana was laying on the floor of 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:17.520 her room in a prone position. They see cast off 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:21.640 on the walls. Cast off means a very dynamic environment. 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:26.200 So when I teach I talk about blood deposition, imagine 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:29.279 taking a paintbrush and dipping it into a bucket of 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.640 paint and then slinging it over your shoulder, like with 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:35.080 a flick of the wrist. The room is not painted 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:40.599 in blood. However, it's almost as if you've taken an instrument, 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.720 dipped it into the blood, and then thrown it like this, 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:47.480 And so the cast off is thereabouts. That's one of 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.640 the first things that they actually notice other than the bodies. 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:55.760 And that's an indication of violence, but it's an indication 0:04:55.920 --> 0:05:00.440 of the dynamics that the violence. It's not like the 0:05:00.520 --> 0:05:06.839 individual that perpetrated this crime was simply stabbing Xana. Okay, 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.720 Like if you think about the motion of the sewing 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:13.960 machine needle going up and down, it's driving the knife 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:18.760 in and then with great force bringing the knife back. Okay, 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:22.719 So that it literally cast off blood so that it 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:28.680 is deposited on various surfaces. Just from that bit alone, 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.440 in that initial observation, they knew that there was tremendous 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:36.240 violence that was going on in here. She's got fifty 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:40.640 plus stab ones. The two to the heart, the one 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:44.000 to the right lung, and the rest of them are 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:49.479 being described as mostly defensive. If you think about what 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.400 she's doing and what she's going through, she's trying well. 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.440 First off, she's trying to survive, but she's putting up 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.200 a fight. She's trying to get him off of her, 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.159 trying to put as much distance between herself and him. 0:06:02.839 --> 0:06:06.000 She knows what's happening to her. And remember, she was awake. 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:10.640 She was awake. I can only imagine the horror you know, 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:12.320 that she experienced in those moments. 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.560 After Brian Coberger was sentenced, the court unsealed hundreds of 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:26.560 pages of investigative documents, some revealing new details about what 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.680 the police found at the scene that November morning and 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:34.240 the extent of the injuries each victim suffered. These files 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:37.200 offer a rare and chilling glimpse into the final moments 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:42.520 of Madison Mogan Callie Gonzalvez, Xanakernodle, and Ethan Chapin. 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:52.279 After this brutality has been exacted on Xanna and they're 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.720 bearing witness to it, you move over as an investigator 0:06:55.839 --> 0:07:02.400 and you see diametrically opposing Ethan's body in the bed. Well, 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:06.840 if we are to believe what has been said, he's 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.680 not moved, he's static in the bed. And listen, early 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.400 on there were all kinds of wild things flying about. 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.440 You know, I even heard somebody say that he was 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.160 found in the doorway. Well, we know that that's a 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:24.960 complete fallacy. You know, that didn't happen. He died in 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:29.120 that bed, in that spot. And of course, the level 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:32.080 of brutality, and I'm not saying in any what Please 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:37.360 don't misconstrue. I'm not saying that Ethan's death was not brutal, 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.560 because it was. But when you compare the if you're 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:44.800 just comparing injuries, what we saw with Xana in that 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:49.120 environment is completely different than what we see with Ethan 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.800 where he's laying in the bed. There has been an 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:58.600 indication that there may have been arterial spray with him, 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.920 and what that means is that if you and this 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:06.880 is a rather robust area where he has been stabbed. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.800 And the reason you get the arterial sprays that the 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:14.280 heart is still pumping. It's tremendous force. This vessel itself, 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:20.960 the CROTD is actually what supplies the brain with blood, 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.400 and out of all the organs in the body, the 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:28.000 brain demands the most blood. I think that he would 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.480 probably lose consciousness relatively quickly. 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:36.880 After exiting Xanna's room, investigators make their way to the 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:40.959 third floor, where Madison Mogan and Kelly Gonsalvez live. 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:47.360 They go down to Kayley's old room and there's nobody 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:51.439 in there. They make their way down to Maddie's room. 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:57.960 They observe these two young friends covered in a pink 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.840 blanket and the blanket is super sad trade of blood. 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:06.440 So they had they remained under that blanket or was 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:10.000 a blanket placed on them by someone else. I don't 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.199 have an answer to that. When you look at the 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:19.920 injuries that have been revealed regarding Maddie, it's very brief. 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.520 She only had sharp force injuries. I mean, like sad Ones, 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.120 I don't think that she did fight back. We don't 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:29.640 have any evidence of defensive injuries on her at all. 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.840 Merely what they talked about with Maddie is that she's 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.920 got a left lung laceration and then it migrates from 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:42.760 a left lung laceration to a liver laceration. They're only 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:47.320 identifying those two injuries. I'll be fascinated to see if 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:52.199 something else came about. But the least amount of damage 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:57.040 I think our trauma is Maddie is right there with 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.880 I think Ethan running a close second in that cond 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:11.599 Kaylee bought probably equal to the level that Xana did downstairs. 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:16.679 What's so striking about Kaylee, though, is the level of 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:21.160 violence that was exacted upon her. She's got multiple stab 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.600 wounds all over her body. But I think the thing 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:28.760 that really has caught people's attention, and this is you know, 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.280 kind of borne out relative to what we're hearing now 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:36.080 from the Truanta documents, is that there's a tremendous amount 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:41.000 of disfigurement. He lingered with her, because you don't just 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:44.680 have stab wounds, you've got blunt force trauma. She was 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:48.560 traumatized to the point with blunt force trauma that she 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:52.720 had hemorrhage that is literally inside of the sack surrounding 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:56.240 her brain. And so you're literally bleeding out in your brain. 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:00.280 We do know that she's got signs of asphyxia, which 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:04.400 means some way her airway was blocked. She's struggling. She's struggling, 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.960 and she's fighting while he's trying to perhaps keep her 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:12.040 quiet at the same time he's trying to murder her. 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:14.720 She's not doing what he wants her to do, and 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:18.800 that is die. She's fighting back, and so that's why 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:23.400 you get this disfigurement with the knife being utilized to 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:26.839 stab her or the knife being utilized to punch her with. 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.160 It's in this confusion as well that we think about 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:34.960 depositing of the sheath that's found adjacent to her leg, 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:38.800 and this furious thing that's going on here. He forgets 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.400 about the sheath. All he knows is he wants to 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:44.760 extricate himself from this environment so that he can put 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.400 as much distance between himself and the horror that he 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:53.360 has subjected these individuals to. In total, Kaylee had twenty 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:54.480 plus stab wounds. 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:58.360 The brutality of Kelly's wounds, you know, which are just awful. 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:01.440 Could this suggests that she was the target? You know, 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:03.680 I know there's been some speculation out there that Mattie 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.640 was the target. People think maybe Brian Colberger met her 0:12:06.679 --> 0:12:09.280 at the Matta Greek where she worked. But after seeing 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.599 these new documents and just reading about the brutality of 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:15.000 Kaylee's wounds, I'm curious of being this changes. 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:20.640 Things between Kayley and Mattie. Guys say I'd list more 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:28.000 toward Kaylee because of disfigurement, brutality, blunt force, trauma, suffocation, 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:32.360 or occlusion of airway. However, one thing that kind of 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.880 muddies the waters here is that both these individuals were 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:40.120 occupied in the same space, allegedly in a bed together. 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:45.120 So you cannot completely discount that this individual who's already 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:49.160 being driven by sexual urges and has potential for violence, 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.240 has been studying violence. He's going to get mighty angry 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:54.560 if somebody's going to get in between him and his 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.080 actual target. So if you take that same logic and 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:00.760 apply it to Kaylee, suddenly she becomes not the target 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:05.679 of any kind of sexual motivation. That's pure anger that 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.520 you're seeing. You've got in the way of what I 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.880 wanted to do. It may have disrupted the whole damn thing. 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.480 He's made mistakes all along the way. You can see 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:19.040 where he's trying to commit the perfect crime, but maybe 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.839 his observational skills were not as keen as he thought 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:25.000 that they should be, or that he perceived himself to be. 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:28.240 He didn't expect to find her there. But I got 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:30.880 to tell you, I don't know that we will ever know. 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:34.679 People can speculate about this all they want, but these 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.800 two young ladies died in such close proximity to one 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.679 another that any kind of post mortem data like changes 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:43.760 in the body, with Roger mortis and all those sorts 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:47.640 of things and post mortal avidity, that data is worthless. 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.640 You're not going to be able to ascertain anything from that. 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:51.400 I don't think. 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:56.720 Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:08.520 a moment. Welcome back to the Idaho massacre. We've been 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:13.840 reviewing newly released documents following Brian Coberger. Sentencing forensic expert 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:17.719 Joseph Scott Morgan just walked us through what investigators uncovered 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.720 about the injuries to all four victims. It's a disturbing 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:26.560 and sobering account. We're now joined by crime analyst Body Moven, 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:30.520 an expert in analyzing complex data, along with our producer 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:34.000 Alison Bankston to dive deeper into more of the documents 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.120 released in this massive evidence dump. 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.480 So you've been through all these documents, there's just so 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:44.960 much to unpack, and you know there's even more to come. 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:46.680 There's a lot in there actually. 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.480 Right aside from learning more about what police found that 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.880 night and the victim's injuries, I also was pretty intrigued 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:53.840 by getting more into on Dylan's full statement. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:55.760 I thought that was very interesting. 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.040 As a reminder, Dylan Morton was one of the two 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:07.360 roommates who survived the attack. According to the Affidavid, around 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:09.880 four am on the night of the murders, she saw 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:13.200 a figure dressed in black wearing a mask that covered 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.400 his mouth and nose. He was outside of her bedroom 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:19.160 on the second floor, and she described him as having 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:23.920 bushy eyebrows and a slight but athletic build. Dylan froze 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:26.520 in shock as the man walked past her and out 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:27.040 of the house. 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:36.000 This is so weird. This is very weird. Dylan's statement 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:39.720 to Moscow Police Department. She said she believed Maddie and 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:44.040 Kaylee arrived home around one thirty or two. She said 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:47.040 that nothing weird had happened during the night. She describes 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.280 being woken up around four anywhere between four and four twenty, 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.760 which of course is when the event occurs, you know, 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:57.120 in the home. Dylan is insistent, and she says it 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:00.000 three times that she heard Kaylee go up the stairs 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.240 with Murphy and then immediately come back down halfway down 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:06.240 the stairs and say someone's here, and then go back up. 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.800 The police believe Xana is the one who said someone's here. 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:15.040 Dylan is insisting it was Kaylee. Dylan said she opened 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:18.000 the door when she cried out to Kaylee, then closed 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.640 the door because she was scared. She said who she 0:16:20.680 --> 0:16:23.120 thought was Kaylee, but could have been Xana crying in 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.600 the bathroom. Dylan said she then heard a man's voice 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:30.200 say it's okay, I'm going to help you. Dylan said 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.080 it was weird because the statement was not in a 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.120 nice way, and the voice was one she had never 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:38.680 heard before. She would have recognized it if it was Ethan. Right, 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.000 we got some leaked audio from the Dateline episode. Right 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.240 in the PCA, which is a probable Cause affidavit that 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:46.600 we've had for years. 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:48.080 It describes the. 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.920 Leaked audio and it says, you know that there's scream, 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:54.280 there's like a I can't remember if it says a 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.280 whimper or scream and then a thud. And when we 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.080 got the audio from the dateline leak, of course, so 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.000 I had to listen to it over and over and 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:07.280 over again. And I can't help but create what I'm 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:28.439 hearing in my own mind. Yes, I can't help it. 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:36.439 Here Ethan help me, and then a thud. And then 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:40.880 weeks later we get the document dump and we learn 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.720 that he says this, don't worry, I'm going to help you, 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:47.480 very menacingly, and I can't help but think Ethan helped me, 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.800 and he catches up to her, don't worry, I'm going 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:53.520 to help you, and then we hear the thud and 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:54.679 that's Sannah hitting the floor. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:55.840 Oh my god. 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.959 I don't know it makes sense. It might not be, 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.040 it might not be, you know, but this is the chatter. 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.960 This is what people are talking about from the document ump. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.320 But those two kind of go hand in hand. Ethan 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.360 helped me, and don't worry, I'm gonna help you. I'm 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:13.280 the one that's going to help you. You don't need him. 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:17.280 I'm the one that's gonna help you. It's very menacing 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:21.520 and I mean awful to think about and poor Xanna. Okay, so, 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:25.080 Dylan said when she saw the suspect, said she believed 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.960 the suspect was white, but not remember eyebrow, collar or 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.359 what his eyes looked like. He saw her and just left. 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:34.200 Dylan was asked how long she believed it was from 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:36.720 the time Kayleie said someone is here to when she 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.879 saw the suspect. Dylan said she thought it was about 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.800 ten or twenty minutes. Dylan said the suspect was between 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.040 her bedroom door and the kitchen, so he was kind 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:50.080 of like walking in that little u turn away from 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:53.920 Xanna's room to the kitchen. Dylan said she remembered watching 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:58.000 the suspect go out the kitchen door and leave. Dylan 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.560 said at this time she closed her door and locked 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:01.679 it as fast as she could. 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.679 She said the suspect did not walk toward her or 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.240 say anything. I'm terrifying. 0:19:10.600 --> 0:19:12.639 Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:22.159 a moment. After Dylan Mortensen came face to face with 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:25.879 Brian Coburger, a man in black clothing, wearing a mask 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.199 and walking straight out of her house, she immediately slammed 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:35.560 her bedroom door shut and locked it. Terrified and Confused, 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.800 she texted her roommates to see if anyone else was awake. 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:44.920 Only Bethany Funk responded. Dylan then ran down to Bethany's 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.600 room on the first floor, still unsure of what she 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:51.080 had seen and not fully grasping the horror that had 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:55.439 unfolded just feet away. The two roommates ended up falling 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:59.760 asleep in the same room. Around eleven am, Dylan texted 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.920 her friend Emily, asking if she and her boyfriend Hunter 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:07.199 could come over to check on things. She said she 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:09.800 was scared that she'd seen a strange man inside the 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.720 house the night before and still didn't know what was happening. 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:19.040 What Hunter saw when he arrived would change everything. Here's 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:23.480 crime analyst Body Movin speaking with producer Alison Bankston about 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:25.240 what Hunter walked into that day. 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:31.120 Another thing we learned in the documents, the first one. 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:36.840 It mentions how Hunter arrives un scene at one one 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:39.760 two two King Road the morning the victims were discovered, 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:42.879 and he entered the code into the front door and 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.919 went in and he found Dylan and Bethany in Bethany's 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:47.720 room right there at the bottom floor, right where the 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.119 door is. Hunter said he went up the stairs and 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:53.960 immediately went to Zana's room. Hunter said he approached the door, 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:58.159 it was only partially open. Hunter said he then opened 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:01.280 it and he saw Xana in the room. Hunter said 0:21:01.320 --> 0:21:03.880 he thought at first they had been drunk and left 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:07.280 a mess. Hunter said when he stood there for a moment, 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.919 he began to realize what he was seeing. Bethany and 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:14.560 Dylan were uncontrollably crying. Hunter said he told them to 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.560 get out of the house and call law enforcement, something 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:20.240 that was massively traumatic. First of all, he took on 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.840 all of this alone. Ethan was his best friend, and 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:26.679 Emily and Xanna were very close, and they all they 0:21:26.680 --> 0:21:29.600 were like the the you know double date crew, right, 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:33.440 they were always like the couple like Ethan and Xana 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.119 and Hunter and Emily. I mean, can you imagine finding 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:38.640 your best friend in the condition and her girlfriend, who 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:40.760 you're your girlfriend is like best friends with. It's just 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:41.800 it's tragic. 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:42.280 But Hunter. 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:46.960 Hunter really kept Ethan's dignity intact, do you know what 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:51.000 I mean? Like he has really respected Ethan and he's 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:54.440 never given any graphic details, and I really respect that 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:54.880 from him. 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:56.440 He's never come out and said. 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:58.359 Oh, yeah, you know, there's blood everywhere. You know, he 0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:01.480 was never he's iver done that. He's really respected at 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.879 Ethan's integrity, and I think that's he's a friend for forever. 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:08.320 That's so true. He really truly is such a hero. 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:13.040 His strength is amazing. His account that that morning also 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:14.480 brings up another interesting document. 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:19.359 Right, Yes, when Hunter arrives around eleven am, he said 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:22.159 he entered the code to get into the house. But 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:25.479 we learned that a witness was walking his dog, and 0:22:25.520 --> 0:22:27.600 it appears that he works at the University of Idaho 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:30.520 because they went to the University of Idaho to interview him. 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:33.359 He was walking his dog that morning and it was 0:22:33.440 --> 0:22:36.760 around eight or nine am, and he saw the front 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:40.120 door wide open, and he walked his dog for about 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:43.400 an hour, and when he passed the house again closer 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:46.439 to eleven am, the door was still wide open. And 0:22:46.440 --> 0:22:49.280 it's interesting because we know Brian Coberger went back into 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:50.840 the vicinity of the house that morning. 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:53.960 Yes, at around nine am, his phone was pinging in 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:54.480 that area. 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.840 He was there for nine minutes. Where was he We 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:00.239 don't know did he get out. I can't imagine that 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.760 he got out of his car in broad daylight and 0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:04.879 walked to that front door, and he doesn't have the 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:06.399 coat anyway, so how would he have opened it? 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:06.720 Right? 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:07.480 Right? 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:10.680 But did he go through the slider and come out 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:11.960 the front door and leave it open? 0:23:12.119 --> 0:23:15.040 I who knows? We do know that he didn't go 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:16.880 get the sheet, though, we do know that. 0:23:17.080 --> 0:23:19.600 I mean, the timing works there. I think you're right 0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:22.600 that I can't really like imagine him because he was 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:24.800 really stupid of him to go back in the first place, 0:23:24.840 --> 0:23:27.000 But to get out of the car is like next level. 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:29.120 Yeah. I mean a lot of people think he went 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:32.360 back that morning to just look at police activity. We 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:36.240 know that he was monitoring police activity on the scanner 0:23:36.480 --> 0:23:38.919 from the documents. We know that, you know, and he 0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:41.920 wasn't hearing anything like nothing's going on? Did this did 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:44.879 I did this really happen? Did I do this? Or 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:47.480 was I was this a fever dream? Did he go 0:23:47.560 --> 0:23:50.040 back to the house to see if he really had 0:23:50.040 --> 0:23:53.280 done it? And did he actually go into the home? Wow? 0:23:53.520 --> 0:23:56.959 Yeah? And another document made it seem like he maybe 0:23:57.040 --> 0:24:00.760 had even been in the area before, right, that someone 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:03.159 may have seen someone who looks like him there before. 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:07.200 We also learned from the documents that a woman who 0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:11.600 lives very near the home, saw somebody lurking at her backyard, 0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:14.879 and it was interesting because of the clothing he was wearing. 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.040 He was like kind of dressed up a little bit. 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:20.560 And we know that Brian Coburger at WSU when he 0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:22.919 was a teaching aid kind of you know, buttoned up 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:25.080 his shirt all the way, you know, from that thumbs 0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:27.080 up photo exactly. 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:30.400 Yes, as a reminder, Brian Coburger, he took a selfie 0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:32.480 at around ten thirty am on the morning of the 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:35.920 murders and he's all dressed up and he has his 0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:38.520 thumb up and he's taken his selfie in the bathroom. 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:41.520