WEBVTT - TGI-The Pilot 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:19.960 Welcome everybody to Podlet's world. I am saying he official 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:24.119 a PANGALORENS. And I am right or Strong a k a. 0:00:24.320 --> 0:00:27.360 Shawn Hunter, and I am Wilfred l a k A. 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.800 Eric Matthews. How are you guys doing? You're ready to 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:34.919 ready to jump into the fight. Yeah, this was this 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:38.159 was an interesting experience. Um, it's funny though, like I 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.320 don't know how you guys feel, but I definitely remember 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:45.600 the pilot. Well, actually this is probably a different Well obviously, Daniel, 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:47.360 you weren't in the pilot, so it's a whole different thing. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:52.040 But I shot the pilot two different times, and so 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:54.800 we did it before you were cast, Will and there 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.720 was a different Dad. So and in any case, the 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:01.480 pilot I actually remember more than probably any other episode. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:04.240 So it was very bizarre to no lines, Like I 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.080 could actually like hear lines and be like, oh my gosh, 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.720 I have I remember that, but then also completely not 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:13.320 understand like what the show was about, because I was 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:15.280 still just very much a kid in the midst of 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.920 a show, you know. So there's a lot to talk about. Well, 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.880 let me let me tell everybody exactly what the pilot 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:26.240 episode was. It was season one episode one otherwise known 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:30.679 as one oh one um, and it was called the Pilot. Uh. 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:37.039 It first aired Septembe and uh. The episode is that 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:39.600 Corey is caught listening to the Phillies game in class 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.399 while Mr Feenie is trying to teach the class about love. 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:45.000 So they're talking about Romeo and Juliet and he is 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.960 listening to the Phillies game in headphones. Eric decides to 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:51.520 take his girlfriend on their very first day to the 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:56.160 Phillies game instead of Corey. So Corey is furious and 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:59.480 thinks that love is ruining his life, and he decides 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:03.600 to live in his treehouse. And um, that was my 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:09.519 watch hitting the very angrily, um passionate. He lives in 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.639 his treehouse that happens to overlook the backyard of their 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:24.720 neighbor and suffle online as to whether it's a side 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:28.840 yard or sideyard or the backyard. Right, Okay, we will 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:33.240 get into it then. Um. So he Corey's treehouse overlooked 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:38.960 the backyard of Mr Phoene's backyard because very important to 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:43.800 the show. Mr Peoenie is Corey's next door neighbor. And 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:49.240 uh and so yeah, well, how did you feel watching 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:55.720 the pilot? Um? Okay, So it made me very, very 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.800 anxious to go back into the world. I don't know 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.720 why I have no read I no reason. I can 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:04.399 pop up in my head immediately as to why I 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:08.040 was so anxious, pressing, pressing, play, But I was um. 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.400 And then as I got into the episode, I realized 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:13.440 one of the reasons why I didn't want to watch it, 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:18.280 and it's because I am the worst um And it's 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:20.440 not And again, it's not used to say. Well you 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:21.800 used to say to me. He'd be like, I didn't 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.040 learn how to act until the second season. Dude, I 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:30.320 said that and I believed it. But this was worst 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:32.639 because you've been saying this since we were Yeah, since 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:37.760 to act. But I was like, no, will's great, No, 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:41.480 it was I was by far the worst actor for 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.960 the entire episode, Lily, everybody was nailing their jokes. I 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:47.040 was laughing out loud at certain points, and then I 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.000 would come on the screen it was like, hey, what 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:51.160 am I doing with my hands? Which I had no 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.880 I was like, I will, I will walk this way 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.680 because I was told to walk this way. And then 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:58.960 it was like, say, oh, I will get into it. 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.840 It was no care came to be fair but I 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:05.040 could have invented something. You had four lines and were 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.600 the by far writer. I'm saying this, you were by 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:11.280 far the best actor on the episode, by far, the 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.680 best actor on the episode. And I'm including the adults, 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.719 maybe Bill, because Bill was Bill and you knew what 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:18.479 Bill was going to get and he was brilliant. You 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.920 guys are crazy. I was like, what am I doing? Look, 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:24.640 you were you were all. That's the thing is you 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:29.640 were already Sean, like you had that the character was 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.920 already there. You could tell there was some angst you had. 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.000 You were the only one who was natural in your 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.520 line readings, especially in the cafeteria scenes, like Sean was 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.880 already there. And then there was the rest of the show, 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:44.360 and it was like it was weird. That's funny because 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:45.920 I guess in a lot of ways, Sean was an 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.000 easy like I mean, you know, Sean was was it 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.200 was so easy to not be Corey, you know what 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:54.480 I mean, Like is so definedt and he's so anxious 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:58.200 and he's so like just outwardly freaked out about everything. 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.279 That to have his best friend be like reserved and 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.640 kind of cool, like it was an easy Like he 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:05.760 was such a good foil, do you know what I mean? Like, well, 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:08.760 he was an eleven year old stand up comic, right, right, 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:10.560 That's what it was. That's what I realized when I 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:12.440 was watching it. It was like, oh, the show is 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.039 about an eleven year old stand up trying to go 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:17.800 to school, which is what it seemed like to me, 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.720 like all like he was doing bits the whole time, totally, 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.279 and he does this thing that that was so funny, 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:26.320 like to not to realize now he you know, he 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:29.279 has that like uh and this is a classic Michael 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.320 Jacob's creator of the show. This is a classic thing 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.320 that he does as a writer and as in in 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:36.080 person too, where he sort of has a character just 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:40.279 state exactly the obvious with so much cynicism, like well, 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.000 I just hate everybody all the time. And like how 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.320 didn't the eleven year old say that was so funny? 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.080 Like it's so cute, right, And it's like I just realized, 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.800 like oh that, like Ben, I always thought that was something. 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:56.120 Well here in general, I was amazed at how much 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.400 of the show what Boy Meets World became, was already there. 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:03.200 I was blown away by how much was encoded into 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.880 the pilot because I truly believed in my head after 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.839 all these years that the show developed and changed, it 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:13.200 became this thing, which it did. I mean, it definitely grew, 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:16.359 but you could see the heart was there in the pilot, 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.400 and that was truly Uh. I did not expect that. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:21.680 I really thought that the pilot was going to be like, 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:24.359 what is the show? And instead I was like, oh no, 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.159 it was all there, Like there was so much of 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:30.000 the show, was there? Yeah, I thought there were so many. 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.919 First of all, I'm not in the pilot. I do 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:38.360 not appear until episode four, so I truthfully don't remember. 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.120 I'm assuming I did watch it when the show aired 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.880 in in because I probably sat with my family to 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:46.200 watch the show that I knew I was going to 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:48.200 be on, But I don't have really a memory of 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.800 watching the pilot. Um, but I was amazed at how 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:55.040 much like all of the different layers. Like now, when 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:57.279 you watch a pilot, it's very much let's just meet 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:02.280 the characters. But this the storyline of Corey is learning 0:07:02.320 --> 0:07:05.960 about love in school because of Romeo and Juliet, and 0:07:06.000 --> 0:07:10.600 then love impacts his own life inside his family's home 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.720 because he's going to a baseball game that he's very 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:14.920 excited about with his older brother, and then he gets 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:19.320 ditched by his older brother, so now love means, you know, 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.480 something bad to him. Then he gets reminded that he 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:26.200 once ditched somebody he loved, that as he got older, 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.840 he may have ditched his father. He learns about that, 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.600 and then he sees Mr Feenie possibly get ditched and 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:36.280 hurt by love. And then in the end he realizes 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:40.760 he could have a different impact on his sister's relationship 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:44.760 to what love means. Like that is, and that's so 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:50.160 many different layers of of deep storyline for want a 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.560 kid show and to a pilot and a pilot in 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.840 which not that much actually happens. I mean, it's not 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:57.720 like he runs away and joins a circus. Here he 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:01.600 goes to the backyard, but it has such emotional stakes. 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:02.720 And I guess that's what I mean, is that the 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.840 tone of the show, the seriousness of it. You know, 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:08.880 like there's a period where there's not a laugh for 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.960 like a good ten twelve minutes where you know Mr 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:14.640 Feenie and Corey have that scene and detention that is 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:19.600 just pure wonderful writing and acting. I mean, Bill is 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:23.280 so good, He's I could not believe how amazing Bill 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:26.080 Daniels is in the show, and you realize that was 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:28.760 the defining character, and I, you know, this is we 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:32.520 have to tell this story, which is that um the pilot. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.280 When we shot the pilot, when you guys weren't there, 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.800 we did a table read and the network hated it, 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:42.040 and the network immediately made Michael rewrite it. And Bill 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:44.800 Daniels said, I'm not doing this kids show and threatened 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.720 to quit. And Michael Jacobs rewrote the pilot from start 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:49.840 to finish. It was a completely different script. I would 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:51.880 love to get my hands on it. It's still involved 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:54.400 Romeo and Julia, but it did not have any of 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.600 this other stuff. And Michael Jacobs, the lore is that 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:59.520 he wrote it in one night, and I think that 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:03.040 might be who rewrote the entire pilot, only keeping certain 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.760 jokes and certain themes the Romeo and Juliet. But what 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.760 they delivered the next day was essentially, what what is 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:12.280 this pilot? And it's I think it's really really good. 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.679 And I was blown away by Bill's performance and his 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.320 commitment and the tonal shifts the fact that it starts 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.320 off as the sort of Dennis the Menace e God 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:23.800 that you know, that wiley kid and the grumpy teacher, 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.200 and then it goes somewhere else. It goes somewhere truly 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:31.280 deep and meaningful. It explores all those relationships, like you said, 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.800 the dad, the mom, the sister, the brother. And the 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.320 original pitch for this show, which everyone kind of forgets, 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:43.160 was what would it be like if the if instead 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:46.080 of following the older brother on Growing Pains, they followed 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.120 the middle brother. It was Growing Pains if it was 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.600 the middle of Because Growing Pains was a hit show 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:54.560 and Michael Jacobs was a, you know, an established television creator, 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.120 they wanted to create a show for Ben Savage, so 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.640 they partnered Ben and Michael and Michael then went to 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.160 the network to create a show for Ben Um with 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.080 his partners of Time, April Kelly Um, and the two 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.280 of them came up with the show, which was, let's 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.280 instead of doing the typical thing that's on television right now, 0:10:11.320 --> 0:10:13.400 which is focusing on the older brother and a family 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.679 of younger kids, let's focus on the middle kid who 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.120 gets lost. And that's exactly what the pilot is, right. 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.560 He gets lost between his relationships with his teacher, who 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:22.480 also happens to be his neighbor. He gets lost with 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.760 his relationship with his dad, his sister, he's in between, 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.240 he's in that stuff, and it's such a great place 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.160 for a character to to sort of have to work 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.400 out from. One of the things that amazed me when 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:35.160 I was watching it was the genius that is, forget 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.360 Bill Daniel's performance, which is next level, the next level, 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:42.440 it's ridiculous, but the genius of having such a well 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:47.040 written teacher to where you can teach on a show, 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.240 I mean meaning all the shows that you watch, especially 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:52.719 kids shows. It was like the dad would in part 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.360 a lesson, or the mom would in part a lesson, 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.080 or one of his friends he'd learned something that we 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:02.960 boy means world literally had a teacher who could take 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:06.760 the lessons that he's teaching in school and teach them 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.520 so you could apply them to life. And it never 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:11.280 been done like that was always the teacher was always 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:16.240 the buffoon. Yeah, No, it was amazing. It sets this 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.040 structure up that I think existed throughout point each world, 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.440 but certainly in the early years, where you can you 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:26.440 can deliver abstract ideas, abstract lessons like in the mouth 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:30.480 of Finie. You can have things very declaratively stated love 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:34.480 means this, sometimes this happens in life, whatever, the sort 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:37.760 of you know, declarative abstract concept and then you have 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:40.959 that intention with Corey's messy life or all of our 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.199 messy lives. And and that's just a great structure for 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.360 a sitcom, right, because it allows you to sort of 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.080 make a thesis statement like this is the episode about 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.640 love and all its permutations and Mr Feedie is going 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.600 to always be right and and it's it's very almost 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:56.439 biblical in a sense. Right. It's like you have this 0:11:56.520 --> 0:12:00.920 like abstract testament idea of like this is the lesson, 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:03.160 this is the rule about life, and Mr Phoeney can 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.000 sort of say it, and then you have just like 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.320 these little sketches of scenes where Corey is going, none 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:09.080 of this makes sense. What are you talking about? How 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.400 do I relate love to my brother and love to 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.720 my little sister and loved And he does and that's 0:12:13.760 --> 0:12:16.400 just and you as the audience are inside of that 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.280 process and you're able to enjoy Corey, but you're also 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.040 able to sort of record in the back of your 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.480 mind like oh yeah, like there's there's there's something more 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:25.200 important going on here that I need to think about 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:29.960 it also showed though I thought it is very strange 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:33.079 because it also again we should talk about this little bit. 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:37.400 So there was an original pilot that was shot without myself, 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:41.440 without William Russ. They recast a couple of people. William 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:46.120 Russ is rusty, Rusty Rusty, Alan Matthew, Alan Matthews and 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.840 Matt McCoy was the original Dad I'll never forget that. 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:53.480 And Harry I'm gonna do this this poor man uh 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.760 An injustice. I want to say Brandish or brand She 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:00.480 was same, a fine actor. Just we've talked about this 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.920 in several things where he was recast because he just 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:05.480 wasn't tall enough. That's all it was. He was literally 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:07.240 the same size as Ben already. They knew Ben was 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.040 going to grow and they wanted somebody to be you're 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.120 a kid actor. They're always concerned with how tall, how 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.520 tall you are, because if you outgrow the people that 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.199 are supposed to be older than you, or you get 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.319 taller than the adults, are ruins because you're usually playing 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.480 younger than yourself. I remember one of our conventions I 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:25.040 ran into a fellow child actor grown up and they 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.000 were like, why would we all turn out so short, 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.400 and I'm like, because being short when you're a child 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.199 actor is such a benefit because you can be ten 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:34.679 years old and play eight or seven, you can be 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.880 older and play so you end up casting short people 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.200 shorter kids. And yeah anyway, so yeah, so that's what happened. 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:45.400 They they recast, and so we the pilot, if memory serves, 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:51.240 Reshooting the pilot was actually for me episode two because 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:56.360 the first thing that we did was episode two one 0:13:56.440 --> 0:14:00.880 yeah one, uh was, which will be the next episode 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.320 we watched, was actually the first episode that I ever shot. 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:07.960 So going back to the pilot, the pilot wasn't even 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.760 my audition scene. Like my audition scene was from that 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:15.559 first episode, So going back and shooting it again was 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:18.120 was very strange, I know for you guys, because you're like, oh, 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:19.480 we've done this already, and then it was like, well, 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:24.280 we've got to go back and shoot the first episode second, uh, 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.680 to get everything kind of on the on the line. 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.280 But they also kind of saw where some of the 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.880 show was going to go because if memory serves, Lee 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.360 Norris is in the opening title credits, but he's not 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:36.920 in the episode. Yeah. Well, we had banked probably three 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.640 or four episodes before anything aired, So he was a 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.680 regular and was in the opening title sequence, which we 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:46.080 can talk about, the wonderful opening title sequence. Yes, let's please, 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.880 because should we start with the cold open? Yes, okay, 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:56.440 let's start with Corey feeney uh and me and Chauncey 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.440 Leo Pardy yep, who was the other best friend at 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.360 the time in the let. Originally, Corey was supposed to 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.200 have two best friends, Chauncey lor Party you guys might 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:07.240 remember from the sand Lot and um what else. He 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:09.400 was also did a bunch. Yeah, he ended up working 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.760 a lot, but it didn't end up standing on our show. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:14.200 I think he was originally supposed to be another regular 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:17.240 best friend. And then throughout the first season, and we'll 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:21.280 talk about this, we kept replacing uh, the other best friends. 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:24.120 We went through several Yeah, it was gonna be Corey 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:28.640 and his two best friends, and Writer was one of 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:30.920 those best friends. And then there was like a rotating 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:34.600 third friend. Well, let's just say it. Michael just kept 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:36.720 firing all the kids that that were I mean, but 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.600 it's true. I mean, if we're gonna be talking about it, 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.960 we called it the death chair, the chair that Chauncey 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.280 is sitting in there, and it was every kid they 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.640 brought in. Some of them didn't even make it to that. 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:48.840 We've we've talked about this in the first episode we 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.480 did didn't even make it to this. The second run 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:54.240 thing that's that's not technically the death chair because we rearranged. 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:56.560 I think in the next episode it will the cafeteria 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:01.160 changes where different formation and then that him the death chair. Okay, 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.800 just who ever sat in the chair was gone. Keep 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:06.360 an eye on the death chair. So it's a simple, 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.880 simple little scene. We introduced Corey and Mr Feeney, who, 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.880 like their characters, are immediately well established. I thought, you know, 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:15.600 it's just so funny. I also just was astounded at 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:20.320 how direct everybody is with child, like Mr Fini's just mean, 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.440 it's just a brat. I was like, Oh, we're going 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:26.400 bold strokes, like right out of the gate. And then 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:43.520 that opening credit sequence it is so dated. Oh my god, Bunkers, Well, 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.880 I'm sorry, you want to talk about dated Before we 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:47.840 even get to that, can we talk about how the 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:53.400 big joke was a Steve Lawrence joke? Yeah, what exactly 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:58.000 what this is? Jo? No, no, no, Steve Lawrence was 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:01.440 he was he would come on and do like the 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:05.160 Steven eaty kind of things, and he was always late night. 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.679 They would bring him on and it was like, so 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.280 the build up of the joke between these three eleven 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:15.199 year old the latest, the latest, and it's like and 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.320 when you so you've gotten eleven year old throwing out 0:17:17.320 --> 0:17:21.720 a Steve Lawrence joke and everyone going Steve Lawrence, it's 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.040 that's because I had no clue what I'm nobody did, 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.960 nor did anybody who watched the show. I will guarantee 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:32.680 you there was not a kid in America that went 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:36.600 they nailed that Steve Lawrence joke like that never happened 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:39.679 because it was just the most random, like are you 0:17:39.760 --> 0:17:42.159 kidding me? They're doing a Steve Lawrence. Then during the 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:45.919 opening credits, which that song so Ray Colcord did the 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.080 music for Boys were all seven years he took a 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:51.600 couple of years ago. May He rest in peace. Was 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:55.679 just the sweetest, nicest man, and so you could do 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:57.760 any type of music you wanted him to. They would 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.280 bring him on and be like, well we're doing on 0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:01.600 rock and roll show this, and he'd like immediately just 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:07.000 write and write a song. But that that theme song, 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.480 it's so long, and it just keeps going and going 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.119 through all these like transitions and like I just couldn't believe. 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:15.879 And then there's like literally a roller blade like coming 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.480 in and smacking Cory in the head, and it's like, 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.720 what iss off the band aid? Like he's gonna the 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:23.800 color It's like, you could not if you if you 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.719 hired a creative now to be like, go make the 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:30.119 most nineties open credits you can, they would pick that 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:34.000 color palette, those outfits and those computer graphics. Oh yeah. 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:37.320 Well it was also the start of obviously, with with 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:39.560 being called boy Meats World. It was the start of 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:43.040 us doing every photo shoot and every everything holding a globe. 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.720 We're always throwing a globe. Always here's your world, Like 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:49.200 all right, here we go. But I I distinctly remember 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.679 two things about the opening title sequence. I remember lying 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:54.800 on the They're like, we're gonna shoot the opening title sequence. 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:56.879 Now I thought they'd pull stuff from the show. They didn't. 0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:58.560 They're like, all right, just lie on the bed and 0:18:58.600 --> 0:19:00.760 flip through a magazine. But look up at us as 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.800 you're doing it. And I was like, so why am 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.600 I Why am I flipping through? And as this is, 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:08.480 you know, my first episode ever. So I'm not asking 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.560 any questions, but like that makes sense, Okay, got it. Um, 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.040 So I'm not looking at the magazine as I'm flipping 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:17.080 through it. And then the other thing I remember is Betsy. 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:21.040 Betsy was so funny she did that Betsy Rando played, 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:25.520 played Amy Matthews. She um finished it, and we when 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:27.680 we all got together to watch the pilot. I think 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:29.560 we all got together to watch the pilot. Maybe we're 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.280 some episode where we all got together to watch. And 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.840 she looked at me right as her scene she puts 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:37.040 the band aid on his head and she gives him 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:38.720 this look as she walks away, and she turns to 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:40.920 me in such a Hollywood way. She goes, that's my 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.159 please watch our show look. And it was just the 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:46.480 way she said it was so cool because she was 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:47.960 if you look at she gives this big smile and 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.439 she's like, oh, Corey, like this big kind of please 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:53.240 watch our show. And it was just every time I 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:55.679 watched that opening title sequence, it's so funny. You're like 0:19:55.800 --> 0:20:01.120 throwing the paper airplane. And there was only two lines 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:03.880 in the script describing Sean. You know, you don't really 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:07.560 get much character description, but it was the thin, sly 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:10.440 best friend of Corey. That's kind of all we had 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.280 to go on. But you know, like I said earlier, 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.600 being you know, being being any sort of savvy or 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:20.400 like calm in the face of ben savages. Cory just 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:22.800 instantly created a character. But I do remember they wanted 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:24.520 me to be a troublemaker. That was like early on 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:26.800 discuss so like, yeah, when they give they gave me 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.640 a paper airplane and said just throw it like you're 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:31.960 gonna hit somebody and get away with it. So that's 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:34.680 my getting away with it. So when when did you 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:38.639 guys meet verse? And how long was it between the 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:41.560 first time you met and filming the pilot we all 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.640 now know as the pilot. I remember the exact moment 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:47.880 I met, I met you two. Oh my gosh, okay, writer, 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.160 you go first, let me hear from your POV. Should 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:57.120 we turn off Will's headphones? Yea. So we met in 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:00.760 the photo shoot for the season. Every season they would 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:02.720 have a photo shoot where they gathered the regular cast 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:04.919 together and get that season set of photos. They do 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:07.960 individual photos and the whole cast together. And we had 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:09.520 already shot the piety. It was now the show had 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:12.040 been picked up for thirteen episodes, which was half a season, 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:14.479 and they brought us, you know, we all were supposed 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:16.360 to meet, and we were in the makeup pair room 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:21.640