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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to Podlet's world. I am saying he official

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Speaker 1: a PANGALORENS. And I am right or Strong a k a.

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Speaker 1: Shawn Hunter, and I am Wilfred l a k A.

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Speaker 1: Eric Matthews. How are you guys doing? You're ready to

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Speaker 1: ready to jump into the fight. Yeah, this was this

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Speaker 1: was an interesting experience. Um, it's funny though, like I

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Speaker 1: don't know how you guys feel, but I definitely remember

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Speaker 1: the pilot. Well, actually this is probably a different Well obviously, Daniel,

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Speaker 1: you weren't in the pilot, so it's a whole different thing.

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Speaker 1: But I shot the pilot two different times, and so

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Speaker 1: we did it before you were cast, Will and there

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Speaker 1: was a different Dad. So and in any case, the

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Speaker 1: pilot I actually remember more than probably any other episode.

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Speaker 1: So it was very bizarre to no lines, Like I

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Speaker 1: could actually like hear lines and be like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: I have I remember that, but then also completely not

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Speaker 1: understand like what the show was about, because I was

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Speaker 1: still just very much a kid in the midst of

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Speaker 1: a show, you know. So there's a lot to talk about. Well,

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Speaker 1: let me let me tell everybody exactly what the pilot

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Speaker 1: episode was. It was season one episode one otherwise known

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Speaker 1: as one oh one um, and it was called the Pilot. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It first aired Septembe and uh. The episode is that

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Speaker 1: Corey is caught listening to the Phillies game in class

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Speaker 1: while Mr Feenie is trying to teach the class about love.

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Speaker 1: So they're talking about Romeo and Juliet and he is

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Speaker 1: listening to the Phillies game in headphones. Eric decides to

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Speaker 1: Phillies game instead of Corey. So Corey is furious and

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Speaker 1: thinks that love is ruining his life, and he decides

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Speaker 1: to live in his treehouse. And um, that was my

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Speaker 1: watch hitting the very angrily, um passionate. He lives in

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Speaker 1: his treehouse that happens to overlook the backyard of their

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Speaker 1: neighbor and suffle online as to whether it's a side

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Speaker 1: yard or sideyard or the backyard. Right, Okay, we will

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Speaker 1: get into it then. Um. So he Corey's treehouse overlooked

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Speaker 1: the backyard of Mr Phoene's backyard because very important to

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Speaker 1: uh and so yeah, well, how did you feel watching

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Speaker 1: the pilot? Um? Okay, So it made me very, very

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Speaker 1: pop up in my head immediately as to why I

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Speaker 1: And then as I got into the episode, I realized

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I didn't want to watch it,

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Speaker 1: and it's because I am the worst um And it's

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Speaker 1: not And again, it's not used to say. Well you

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Speaker 1: used to say to me. He'd be like, I didn't

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Speaker 1: because you've been saying this since we were Yeah, since

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Speaker 1: it was I was by far the worst actor for

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Speaker 1: the entire episode, Lily, everybody was nailing their jokes. I

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Speaker 1: I was like, I will, I will walk this way

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Speaker 1: It was no care came to be fair but I

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Speaker 1: the by far writer. I'm saying this, you were by

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Speaker 1: far the best actor on the episode, by far, the

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Speaker 1: Well here in general, I was amazed at how much

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Speaker 1: of the show what Boy Meets World became, was already there.

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Speaker 1: I was blown away by how much was encoded into

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Speaker 1: First of all, I'm not in the pilot. I do

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Speaker 1: not appear until episode four, so I truthfully don't remember.

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Speaker 1: the characters. But this the storyline of Corey is learning

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Speaker 1: And I guess that's what I mean, is that the

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Speaker 1: just pure wonderful writing and acting. I mean, Bill is

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Speaker 1: Romeo and Julia, but it did not have any of

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Speaker 1: this pilot? And it's I think it's really really good.

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Speaker 1: And I was blown away by Bill's performance and his

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Speaker 1: was what would it be like if the if instead

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Speaker 1: I mean meaning all the shows that you watch, especially

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Speaker 1: boy means world literally had a teacher who could take

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Speaker 1: the buffoon. Yeah, No, it was amazing. It sets this

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Speaker 1: of Finie. You can have things very declaratively stated love

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Speaker 1: that intention with Corey's messy life or all of our

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Speaker 1: and the screen test was between myself, your brother, older brother, Shiloh,

428
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 1: and Jason Marsden, who is still one of my best

429
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 1: friends this day and and played Jason Marsin on the show.

430
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,919
Speaker 1: So I had met Ben before, but there you were.

431
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: I turned, I'm I can I can picture it. I

432
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: can picture what I'm wearing. I'm in jeans and the

433
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 1: shirt that I passed the poster every day. It's hanging

434
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 1: on my way, got the tight eye shirt on. Remember, yes,

435
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: you have the tied eye shirt on. And I turned,

436
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm turning to my left and there

437
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: you are, and we started the first conversation. I'm still

438
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: sitting in the chair and the thing that scared me

439
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: the most about that day is I just met Rusty

440
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: had just met everybody for the first time. You and

441
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: I got along instantly, and then they're like, all right,

442
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna put you all together for pictures. And they

443
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 1: put us all together and I put my arm up

444
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 1: around Bill Daniels Mr. Feenie, and he turned to me

445
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: and he went, don't touch Foenie. And I really shot

446
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 1: my hand back down and I was like, so now,

447
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: all of the pictures Bill that it was amazing, the

448
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,360
Speaker 1: pictures so convoluted because it's like, was he in character

449
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,919
Speaker 1: because he's not wrong, Like you shouldn't have your arm

450
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: around feeding you were trying to just be like friendly.

451
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,920
Speaker 1: It's not wrong. But it's also so classic Bill to

452
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: just be kind of grumpy. Don't touch Poenie, don't just

453
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,360
Speaker 1: like that, And every single picture that they have now

454
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,399
Speaker 1: my hands are in my pockets and I am like,

455
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,719
Speaker 1: I'm not touching anyone ever again. It was It was

456
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 1: amazing that first photoshoot day. Yeah, that was that is

457
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: are our intro to each other and to the world,

458
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: and it was Yeah, it was crazy. It was crazy.

459
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: So writer did Shilo audition to play Eric. Yeah, he screwed. Actually,

460
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: he ended up not doing the network test. So Shilo.

461
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: The reason I got Boy Meets the World is because

462
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: Shilo had tested for the reason I was first brought

463
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: into audition for Boy Mets World because my my older brother, Shilo,

464
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: He's only eighteen months older than me, so we we

465
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,639
Speaker 1: always kind of went out for similar parts, or we

466
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: are not that far apart. He had network tested for

467
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: Michael Jacob's previous show called Almost Hone, almost didn't get

468
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: the part, but between myself, Shilo, and Jason Marks so

469
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 1: so because of Shilo's association, I got brought in to

470
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 1: audition for Boy Meat's World, I ended up getting the part. Meanwhile,

471
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: Shilo went off and did a pilot on another network

472
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 1: with Ed Dector and John Straus, who became writers on

473
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: our show. They created a show called odd Man Out,

474
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: which also got rebooted five years later. Whatever, that's a

475
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: whole another story. But my brother was a star of

476
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 1: his own pilot and end that show did not get

477
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: picked up. And when you're a kid actor and you're

478
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: you're you're in demand, all the show's pounce like if

479
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: you're if your contract didn't get picked up. So Shilo

480
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: got asked to come in and audition for Eric. He

481
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: never actually did it. They asked him to screen test

482
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: for Eric or he got offered a show on NBC

483
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: We're called The Mommy's where he could just be one

484
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: of the sons on the Mom's, the older teenage son.

485
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: And he looked at the equation and you know, my

486
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: parents and we're all like, this is crazy, Like writer

487
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: is going to be on this TV show? Do we

488
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: want Hilotte audition to be on the same TV show?

489
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: And it was like, no, you just take the offer

490
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: on this other show. But of course that made our

491
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 1: lives incredibly complicated because that meant my mom had to

492
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: shuttle between two different sets. So yeah, so he ended

493
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: up not audition. And I'm not sure if they brought

494
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: in a third person or if it just ended up

495
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 1: being you and Jason Will, but Chilotte did not finally

496
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 1: being the two I think he so I met him

497
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: the first time because it was the three of us

498
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: reading okay, so maybe okay, so maybe he you know,

499
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if he actually almost almost for Almost Home,

500
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: we did that and then it was I. It was

501
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,959
Speaker 1: then between Jason and I because Shilo we heard had

502
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: Shilo had dropped out quote unquote of going to Boy

503
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: Meats Role. But again it was down you talked before

504
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: about how small a world it is. It was down

505
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 1: to the three of us twice in a row, and

506
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 1: Jason got got Boy Met Are, Jason got Almost Home,

507
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: and then I got Boy Meets World um, and Shilo

508
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: was doing the Mommy So yeah, so it was it

509
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: worked out. But I was with my dad in in

510
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: Los Angeles and I did not think I got the part.

511
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: I was a terrible read. Ben was there. Ben came

512
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: in and read with us. I was awful, and my

513
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: dad said, well, what do you want to do, kiddo?

514
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: You know, like, it's what do you want? I went.

515
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: I remember the Ripley's Believe It or Not Museum in Hollywood,

516
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: and I was like, I want to go to the Rippley.

517
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: He's like, all right, fine, So we went there, and

518
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: until about ten years ago it was actually there. Across

519
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,959
Speaker 1: the street from the Ripleys Believe It or Not Museum,

520
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: there was a bank of what was called um pay

521
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: phones kids, where you actually had to put in money

522
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: and dial a number and uh somebody else. KL five

523
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: four thousand appeared on the other How can I connect

524
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: your call? S appeared on the other side. And um,

525
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: I called my agent and my dad said, just call

526
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: your agent. Tell me you didn't get it, and we're

527
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: going back home. And I called my agent, said, you

528
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: got it. It's been picked up. You've got to you've

529
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: got to move to l A. And my dad and

530
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: I ran through the Ripley's Beauter not Museum and then

531
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:18,919
Speaker 1: went and found the oak Wood because I had to

532
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: live in l A like two weeks later, something ridiculous

533
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: like that. And that was thirty years ago. So it

534
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 1: happened very quickly once it happened, and then you're at

535
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: the photo shoot, and then you're friends with writer and

536
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: then you've got this going, and then you're in front

537
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 1: of the audience and it's just it's then you're going

538
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: It's so the photo shoot happened before you, guys ever

539
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: even had a rehearsal day. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was

540
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: like a week before the week I guess. Okay, So

541
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: then by the time you get to rehearsal and you're

542
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: starting this this pilot episode, are you guys already feeling

543
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: like friends and family, like it's all you've already started

544
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: a bond. I mean, Will and I definitely yeah, I

545
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: remember Ben and I did not start upon Ben was

546
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: really into sport and I was not. And I remember

547
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: like a lot of the first early episodes, you know,

548
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: he he wanted to play basketball, like with the other kids,

549
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 1: and and there were always other kids because you had

550
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: extras to um. But but so I remember during the pilot,

551
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: and but also Ben was working a lot because he

552
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: was in so many you watch this pilot, He's in

553
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: so many scenes in every scene, and that's a lot

554
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: for a kid, So he would be gone. He was

555
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: sort of distanced, you know, like and and yeah, like

556
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: I said, he was very much in his own world.

557
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: He was very um. I remember him being just working

558
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: and being busy and needing to learn his lines and

559
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: also going to school. And he was sort of at

560
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: that point Hollywood royalty for us, you know, like because

561
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: his brother's show had been such a hit. He was

562
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: also the person who like knew what we were doing

563
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: more than any of us. Um. And so you know,

564
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: I know I didn't really connect with Ben. I would

565
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: say until like episode four or five did we start

566
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: really getting to know each other. I think in part

567
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: because I was just one of these other kids, you know,

568
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: like I wasn't part of the family. I think Will

569
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: you probably connected with Ben because you were part of

570
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: at the time the show, you know, it was it

571
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be a school show. It was supposed

572
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: to be a family show, and so the priority was

573
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: given to the show, you know, the parents and you

574
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: Will and Lily, and so that was sort of more

575
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: the like core group. I was like an outsider. It

576
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: was like me and Chauncey Leo party who's then gone,

577
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: and then like you know, whoever else they brought in

578
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: that week that could potentially stay. But yeah, so it

579
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: was really I was just lucky to have Will, like

580
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: I know, we bonded right away. And then I love

581
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: school like I loved I already loved school, and I

582
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: loved my studio teacher David Colmbs. David David Colmbs, Yes,

583
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: David Colmbs. And he had been brought on because he

584
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: had taught Fred Savage on on Boy, I mean on

585
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: Wonder Years, so they brought him on and um, just

586
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: a genius spoke five languages, could teach on these subject

587
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: He was a personal tutor to the kids of the

588
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: Shaw of Iran remember us. He was a very eccentric,

589
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: interesting dude. And we'll have plenty of David Combs stories

590
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure throughout the years, but for me, he was

591
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: really like just immediately, he was so smart and we

592
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: just imediately bonded. So I loved school and I love

593
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: hanging out with Will. Um. Yeah, it was, but it

594
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: felt very comfortable automatically. It's it. But you're right though,

595
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't Corey and Sean. That wasn't a thing yet. Um,

596
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: you know it was. It wasn't until several episodes later,

597
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about where you know, especially when Danielle

598
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: joined the cast, where it was really like, oh, this

599
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: is the show, Like that's when that's when the whole

600
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: thing kind of changed. And it was until then it

601
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 1: was us in those very strange clothes, um, which which

602
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: were just very I mean, that was one of the

603
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: things that struck me as we're you know, if we

604
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: get back, as we get back into the episode, so

605
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: we're past the opening title sequence, and opening to me

606
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: sounds like a right like music you would hear in

607
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: line at Disneylands, yes, exactly, or you're in a carousel

608
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 1: just going around and by the fifth time you're like,

609
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: stop that song. Y. Yeah. So this episode was written

610
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: by Michael Jacobs and April Kelly. Does anyone remember April Kelly?

611
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,479
Speaker 1: I do, Yes, I do too, Okay, I remember her

612
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: little dog, yeah, and her Ferrari. Remember she'd always drive

613
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: up to the Ferrari. I think I met I think,

614
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: I do think I met April Kelly early on. I

615
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: do remember her. I remember what she looks like, and

616
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: I can picture an outfit. But then April Kelly just

617
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: kind of disappeared. She was here the whole first season,

618
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: wasn't she the first season? Yeah? And then she left

619
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: after the first season, and uh, as far as I know,

620
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: left the industry, but her name is on every episode

621
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: and she got paid for every single episode. Okay. And

622
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: then another thing I wanted to talk about is that

623
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: this episode, the pilot episode, was directed by John Tracy.

624
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: But then I'm pretty sure this is the only episode

625
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: of season one John Tracy directed. No, he came back.

626
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: He came back. Maybe couldn't because season one was all

627
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: David David David Trainer. Yeah, and David Trainer is a

628
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: legendary television director. John is too, but David is best

629
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: known for he did every single episode of that that

630
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: seventies show. Um, yeah, I have some great David Trainer

631
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: stories as we get into the season. But David David

632
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: was incredible. John I remember just being very funny, thick

633
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: Boston accent um, and he would he would yell and

634
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: sort of shout and like tell everybody way to go.

635
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: And his brother Kevin Tracy was also on the show,

636
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: UM as a camera coordinator. I believe now, at first,

637
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: if you look at the pilot episode, it's I noticed this.

638
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: It says the first thing. It says he was the

639
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: stage manager the first episode, Wow, okay, which he was

640
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: By the time I had gotten there, he already wasn't.

641
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: But I guess for that first episode he was the

642
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: stage And so does anyone know why John only directed

643
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: the pilot and not anymore in that first season? Was

644
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: there a story there? If there is, do we not

645
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: know it? Um? I think I think that's pretty typical.

646
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: I think it was typical for somebody to direct the

647
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 1: pilot and then move on, because the goal is a

648
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: director is to direct as many pilots as possible, not

649
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: to get stuck on a series, because when you direct

650
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: a pilot, you make money on every episode for the

651
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: rest of that show's life. So didn't need to in

652
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: a way, you know, like but I don't remember if

653
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: there was a reason that John did not come back.

654
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 1: But David Trayner was truly a genius. He was like

655
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: a classically trained Shakespearean theater director, and he really defined

656
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: the tone and the and the look and the field

657
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: of the show. So I think probably what happened is

658
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: David Trayner came on and they gave him the entire

659
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: first season in his contract. They said, like he probably said,

660
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: if I'm coming to do your you know show, and

661
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: you want my talents, I have to do X many episodes,

662
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: if not the whole season, like a certain guaranteed amount.

663
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: And so that's probably what kicked in. And then they

664
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: just had David Traynor, which was wonderful because he really

665
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 1: set an incredible environment for all of us. But in

666
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,719
Speaker 1: my head, he is he's seven feet tall. I mean,

667
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: I remember him being six six seven. I think he was,

668
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: I mean he was, yeah, and he's so very thin. Yeah,

669
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: And so the way he walked across stage, he could

670
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: like go that you know, that cavernous stage with sound

671
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: stage we talked about, he could do the length of

672
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: it in what felt four stripes. It was it was

673
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: it was crazy and he I'll never forget what feeling

674
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: like such a dope because, um, we were doing the

675
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: first first episode, which turned out to be the second

676
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 1: episode that's aired, um, and uh I said something like, well,

677
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: you know how I did it in the audition and

678
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: in front of everybody's like, yeah, who cares how you

679
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: did it in the audition. I just remember being like, oh,

680
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: man like and he was never mean about he did

681
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: it with a smile on his face, but it was like,

682
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: oh jeez, I'm just gonna keep my mouth shutting do

683
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: what I'm told. Uh. So it was such a strange

684
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: environment to go because again it was just like you,

685
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: I didn't know any of any of of of making

686
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: television like this none. This is not how we did

687
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: any of the Nickelodeon stuff. So everyone just assumed I

688
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: knew what I was doing. And then it's just kind

689
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: of you're just going yeah. I mean, it's like David

690
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: started and you're just going that's David. Trayner would have

691
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 1: been the first person to teach us some of the

692
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 1: basics of sitcom acting, which are you don't have a

693
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: fourth wall and you have to like like, for instance,

694
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: you always have to stand, like if you're having a

695
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: conversation with somebody, you have to stand with your shoulders

696
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: open so the camera can see your entire fits. So

697
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: it's like if you notice everybody on Sitcom's kind of

698
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: stands at like an awkward angle to each other and

699
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: it feels weird. We make it look normal because you

700
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: get used to it as an actor and you but

701
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 1: you have to sort of force your body to do

702
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: something that's not natural, and you're not turning. You have

703
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: to turn the right way so you don't like you

704
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: don't square fifty fifty with people, you turn us slightly

705
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: out and then like, yeah, if you're gonna be talking

706
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: to somebody over to your right, you gotta make sure

707
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: you don't turn your head away from the car, like

708
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: all these basic things that of course, if you're a

709
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: season theater actor like Bill Daniels, you just know. But

710
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: for us, we had to be taught that, Like you

711
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: have to tell kids, like, it's not like you're really

712
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: talking to this person, you're performing talking to this person.

713
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: Here's the way to do that, you know. And I

714
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: remember David Trainer was so good at all those little

715
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: tricks and teaching us the basics of sitcom acting. Yeah,

716
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: So the first scene that we see after the cold

717
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: open is and and then the intro we see Corey listening.

718
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: It's they're performing Romeo and Juliet at the front of

719
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: the class and Corey is listening to the Phillies game. Um.

720
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: In this scene is the first time I really noticed

721
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: the how loud the laughs were. And I couldn't tell

722
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: if it was if it were those the sounds they

723
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 1: collected from the live studio audience or was the laugh

724
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: track just that loud because the laughs sound like they're

725
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: in your ear. I've heard this about Boy Meant World before,

726
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: like that that has an extremely loud laugh track compared

727
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: it does. And I think that is true, you know,

728
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: I mean, like, yeah, I think for whatever reason, you know,

729
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: maybe it's maybe it was a creative choice or somewhere

730
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: along the line, the show just got cranked up because

731
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: it is very loud. And yeah, I mean there, I'm

732
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: sure that there was some adherence to the genuine laughter,

733
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: but there was also a machine making the laughter sounds like. Also,

734
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: they didn't know us, the audience didn't know us yet,

735
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: So for the first few episodes, I think it's mostly

736
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: laugh track. I think until we aired, it was really

737
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: mostly laugh track because then you get fans, and then

738
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: the fans come in. But until then, Michael used always

739
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: he would always tell me that I'd say something or hey,

740
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: that joke, did land that whatever, and he always look

741
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: at me and goes To this day, I still can

742
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,479
Speaker 1: hear him in my in my head saying, don't worry,

743
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: I have a machine that thinks you're hysterical. And so

744
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: that's what he would say, I have a machine that

745
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: thinks you're hysterical. And it's like, okay, well that's Can

746
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: we talk very briefly about the girl who is lying

747
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: on the on the desk. She was amazing, yes, and

748
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: why did we never see her again? Because she was

749
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,959
Speaker 1: the best other than you, she was the best child

750
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: actor of the lot. Yeah. We used to quote her

751
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: for years. I remember Ben and I would say after

752
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: each other, you touched me with that knife, you better

753
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: be great. I remember I literally wrote that down. I'm

754
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: taking notes and I'm like, why did she disappear? She

755
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: was awesome? Like it's just a revolving cast those first

756
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: few episodes, you know, like and it's true, like you

757
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: want the thing about a show like this is you're

758
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: when you're you know, and this is to Michael's credit,

759
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: you don't want to make too many decisions ahead of

760
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: time ESPEC show when it comes to cast. You wanted

761
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: to be an ensemble. You need to see where there's chemistry.

762
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: And I think that that is in part of physical thing. Chemistry,

763
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: Like you need to like do these people just work together?

764
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: Do they respond to one of do they make each

765
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: other smile? Is there a twinkle in the eye when

766
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: two people? Sometimes it's just not there, you know, and

767
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: sometimes like and I think that they you know, we

768
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: can't keep trying these first four or five episodes. You're

769
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: gonna see this, you know, some kids come in with

770
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: two lines, one kid coming and then like somebody like

771
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: Leonora's can't comes in and it's just the dynamic clicks.

772
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: Or when Danielle when you came in it was magical.

773
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: It was more magical and it was like, oh. And

774
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: that was also the same episode where they finally fired

775
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: the third best friend. And I remember David Trayner, great

776
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: director and so supportive. They gave me all of this

777
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: guy's part. So I showed up for work that day

778
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: and my part went from like two lines to like

779
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: five scenes and a whole bunch of work on, and

780
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: I was so nervous, and David Traynor grabbed me and

781
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,479
Speaker 1: pulled me in front of the whole crew and say,

782
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: can I just say, for the record, this is long overdue.

783
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: Can everybody give writer a big round of applause? Remember

784
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: was going to do this this week and he deserves it,

785
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: and everybody applauded the whole crew, and I remember just

786
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: being like, Okay, I got this. And you know, that

787
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: was the episode that the show came together, because I

788
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: remember with the audience that week and we'll talk about

789
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 1: it when we get to it, but like they reacted

790
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: so much to the Tapanga character in contrast to the

791
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: Corey character and in contrast with the Seawn. It just

792
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: all came together. That's when the show started. We had

793
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: episodes before, but that is when the show started, in

794
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: my opinion, and because it wasn't just Corey and Topanga,

795
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: but it was also Corey Sewn. I mean that was

796
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: the show then evolved and became We've talked about the

797
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: two boy meets worlds where then Eric kind of had

798
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: his own thing going on, and but the three of you, especially,

799
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: that was the start, and that was you know, you're right,

800
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: it was kind of getting there took took a few episodes,

801
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: but once it did, then it was kind of often. No,

802
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: this is clearly a show about a teacher and a student.

803
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: And yeah, this episode absolutely compelling. I cannot believe how

804
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: compelling Bill Daniels was. He's so good, I mean, now

805
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: so good. You guysn't notice he's shaking his handshaking. I

806
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: didn't notice it. I remember, I remember from when I

807
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: was a kid, and I remember seeing it, but I

808
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: did not notice it in the episode. I noticed in

809
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: the episode because Ben and I were obsessed with it,

810
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: because of course we were scared kids, and he was scary.

811
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: He was this professor, intimidating, and he had a professional manner.

812
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: He would show up memorized. He was so old school,

813
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, we knew him from night writer or whatever.

814
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: We had like visions of this great actor, and on

815
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: tape night when the audience showed up, we could tell

816
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: that he was nervous. Maybe he wasn't, maybe he was

817
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: just shaking hands. I don't know. I mean that happens

818
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: to actors. But I remember Ben and I being obsessed

819
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: with that, and like whispering to each other. Did you

820
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: see his hands are shaking? And in some ways, I

821
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 1: think it made us feel better because it was like, oh,

822
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: if this guy who was so scary to us, Mr Feenie,

823
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: if he's nervous, it's okay that we're nervous, you know.

824
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: In fact, it's almost cooler that we're not shaking. You know,

825
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: we can sort of have this authority as kids, like,

826
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: look at us, We're we're cool with the audience. I

827
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: remember that so distinctly, and like just hit me like

828
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: a lightning flash. When I saw Bill's handshake, I think

829
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: it's in this this scene because of the way he

830
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: grabbed a radio, I could see his handshake. I was like, oh,

831
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: that's right. I remember just always watching that. Does anybody

832
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: now that is one of the questions I had. Does

833
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: anybody know how old Bill was when we started? Well,

834
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: ninety three, the year was ninety three? He is now

835
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 1: so twenty nine years right, yeah, exactly thirty from five

836
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: would be sixty five and then add one sixty six.

837
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: How much of the pie do I get to eat?

838
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: Is the question? Um? So okay, alright, so all right,

839
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: he's already like sixty mid mid sixties. Okay, by that

840
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: time he looked great. By the way, the young girl

841
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: playing Juliet is named Kristen Moore. She deserves her flowers.

842
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: The young talent we we didn't get to see again,

843
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: her name is Kristin Moore. So she was phenomenal. She

844
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: really was great. She had a couple of lines. If

845
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: you get if you get one line and you get

846
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: a solid laugh on the one line, you get that

847
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. Absolutely, so that was great. So in the

848
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: scene Ben gets detention. We learned that Ben gets detention

849
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: and then Corey gets detention. It's gonna be really hard

850
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: for us to go back and forth between Ben and I.

851
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: I will do it all the time. I'll try to

852
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: correct myself when I do what should we call them? Should?

853
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 1: We should? We just stick with character never going to

854
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: be able to do We're never going We're gonna go

855
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: in and out both the time. So Corey gets detention,

856
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: he goes home, and this is where we meet Eric Matthews. Yes,

857
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: we do well. First, can we just very quickly talk

858
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: about how times have changed? And they showed a knife

859
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: fight in school essentially, I mean, doesn't it immediately cut

860
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: to shooting. That's later we're shooting at the video shooting

861
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 1: at the video game, but it's it's somebody holding somebody

862
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: else down on a desk, trying to stab him, and

863
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: the principle comes over like okay, I mean it's like

864
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: it's a different time. Um. But then we meet Eric Matthews.

865
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: Yeah yourself, dude, you were great. No, No, I was not.

866
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: Why do you think you're so? It was because the scene,

867
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: the scene at the end. So the first scene, it's

868
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: not it's very stiff, obviously, and I have no idea

869
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: what to do with my hands, and it's very awkward

870
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: the first scene. But the seconds the scene where I

871
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: come back and I'm acting, and I'm like, news flash,

872
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm not cool. It's the worst thing ever. You're so

873
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: hard on yourself, like sit, kids, sit, come acting. It

874
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: wasn't much better overall, but it was just in this show.

875
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: I mean I remember literally like I finished it last

876
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: night and I was like, every single person in that

877
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: show was better than me, every single one. I think

878
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: you're just way too hard on yourself. Because I better.

879
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: I don't get me wrong, I certainly got better, but

880
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: that first episode that was painful for me too. It

881
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,479
Speaker 1: was like I am acting now and I have to stay.

882
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: The only thing I'm missing is literally looking down for

883
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: the tea on the ground to where to put my feet,

884
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: because they they give you these little tea marks to

885
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: where mark. You're just uncomfortable, dude, But it doesn't really

886
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: play that way. I'm sure you're you're projecting your discomfort.

887
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just met that. Like I said,

888
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 1: the writers didn't know who Eric was. You were sort

889
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: of a stock old all the deeds and one I

890
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: remember the only the only time I was ever mentioned

891
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: in a review at all at the very beginning. So

892
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: we did. There was one table read we did where

893
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: we had just aired. It was the table read right

894
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 1: after we first came out, and Michael read um reviews

895
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: in front of everybody. Oh I remember the reviews. The

896
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 1: one he said about Bill Daniels was for thirty years.

897
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, what about Bill Daniels was great? He said, uh,

898
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: you know Bill Daniels. Mr comes to Mr Feeney and

899
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: then the quote ended with a great actor stoops and

900
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: I remember Bill putting his head in his hands and

901
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: all of us laughing, and Bill probably felt. And two

902
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: Emmys for st elsewhere at this right and he's coming

903
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: onto this kids show he must have felt, and a

904
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: sitcom to like, he had not done multi camera sitcom,

905
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: and like, you have to remember, this is hard for

906
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: people to wrap their heads around these days. But back then,

907
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: you were either a TV actor or a film and

908
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: if you were actor or stage of course, but Bill

909
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: was kind of all of those things. But TV was

910
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: kind of the lowest here. If you wanted if you

911
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: wanted to make no money but do quality work, you

912
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: were a theater actor. You wanted to you know, if

913
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: you wanted to be famously the best was movie actors.

914
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: And then for being a TV actor, especially a multi

915
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: camera sits, a sitcom TV actor, and then a show

916
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: sitcom TV actor, Oh my god, he was. It was

917
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 1: like working the drive through. Can I read you a review? Please? Okay? So?

918
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: David zero Wick of The Baltimore Sun wrote, predicting Nielsen's

919
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: success for Boy Meets World, dot dot dot is not

920
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: a particularly daring or incisive call. It's mainly based on

921
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: scheduling and stars. Then he continued, forget quality, these are

922
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: kids were programming for on Friday nights. Here's where you

923
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: have to give ABC some credit for going an extra

924
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: mile and adding William Daniels to the cast as Corey's nemesis,

925
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 1: his sixth grade teacher, Mr. Peenie. The confrontation between the Hey,

926
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm just a kid Corey and the arch and starch

927
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: Feenie makes this series something an adult doesn't have to

928
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: feel ashamed of watching amazing. He ultimately gave it two

929
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: and a half stars out of four, but said I

930
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: won't argue with anyone who wants to give it three stars. Okay,

931
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: there's something that's better, because that's gonna say. I think

932
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: the only one I heard was that with that I

933
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 1: was mentioned at all was the older brother is a

934
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: cardboard cutout prop. That's the only one I remembers, kind

935
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: of just stand in for Yeah, no, I play the

936
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: r you are archetypal older brother. Yeah. I mean, in

937
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: some ways we all are in these early days, except

938
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 1: for Ben and Bill, you know, which was a great dynamic.

939
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 1: It was a dynamic, great dynamic between the two of them,

940
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: It really was. But um, I just remember shooting in

941
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: that bedroom scene, and if I'm I could be wrong,

942
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this last night, but I think

943
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: our beds constantly switch alight, which is whatever the episode

944
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: was was like, now that's Corey's bed, well, now that's

945
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: Eric's bed. Now that's Corey's bed, Now that's Eric's bed, um,

946
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: And it just kind of went back and forth over

947
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: and over, and it was always like entrances and exits.

948
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: Man like Eric walked into room, do not move hands,

949
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 1: say Corey line walk out of room? Can we get

950
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: to scene three? Can we please please? Scene three? We

951
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: go downstairs, We've got the parents. Yeah, we meet the

952
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: family for the first time. We finally meet the family

953
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: and uh a full house reference. Yes, it was. Yeah,

954
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: so I thought we didn't do that to like season five,

955
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,359
Speaker 1: but no, it's really funny that. Yeah, it's like, oh

956
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: my god. I couldn't believe it. And Lilly was Lily.

957
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: I remember Lily as kind of being like, jeez, it's weird.

958
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: She's just spouting the lines and it's not to me.

959
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, it's not really work. When you

960
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 1: watch it, she's adorable and hitting some pretty great beats.

961
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: What was the line at the end where she said

962
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: where she says, I'm I remember. I don't even remember

963
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: because I wasn't there for the pilot obviously, so I

964
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: don't remember ever hearing Lily say it, but I remember

965
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: that she one of the things she says, a line

966
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: she says during the tea party with Ben at the end.

967
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: You guys all quoted, you repeated the way she said

968
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: it all the time, and I think I wrote it,

969
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: you know which one? Oh my gosh, I'm gonna need

970
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: to find it. But it was like, I'm I'm not

971
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: telling there. She had some reading during that line. Gosh,

972
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: I wish I wrote it down, but I I hear

973
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: Ben and writer saying we used to make fun of

974
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: her voice because it was some Yeah, well, you know,

975
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: it's so funny what you like. I totally remember what

976
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: you were saying. Will about there was the same because

977
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 1: when you're it's hard to remember that. When you're a kid,

978
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: a lot of what you do is compare yourself to

979
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: other kids, and especially younger ones, and you're so proud

980
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: of yourself for not being that dumb younger kid. And

981
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: I remember comparing myself to Lily and thinking, well, she's

982
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: not a real actor, wish, but she's like five, she's

983
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: good and she's amazing. And I was like, but I

984
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: remember being so smug, and I think that was part

985
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: of being twelve, or I was so Ben was only twelve,

986
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 1: and I think it was part of our like, well,

987
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 1: at least we're not just like you know, because it

988
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: was hard. It's hard to get a six year old

989
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: to say lines and to stand you have anything right.

990
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I look, I have a seven year old,

991
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: I know, and like so the idea that she was

992
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: able to deliver what she was doing is incredible. But

993
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: at the time, I was just so proud of myself

994
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: for being like, well, I know how to read and

995
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: hit my marks and I know how to really how

996
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: to read. Isn't that ridiculous, But that's what you do

997
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: when you're a kid. You're just so proud of like

998
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: ninety six year old exactly. No, she was. But that's

999
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: the thing I look back at that now. She was

1000
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: exactly what she was supposed to be. She was adorable,

1001
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: she was hitting the lines, and she was a great

1002
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: foil to Ben. And that that the scenes where she

1003
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: just all of a sudden where she will get into it,

1004
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: but where she grabs the doll and throws it and

1005
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 1: then just offers him the chair, all that stuff is great. Yeah.

1006
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I I think this is a really great

1007
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: opening scene too, for Betsy and Rusty, Amy and Allen

1008
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: talk about two like wonderful parent characters. Like just right

1009
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: off the bat, they have a great dynamic. You feel

1010
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: the love in this family. Just want to be part

1011
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: of the family. Yeah, immediate. It's like it's so comforting,

1012
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 1: it's so welcoming, and yet it still has that level

1013
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: of irony, right like self awareness. That's that's like the

1014
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: sort of boy meets World. Michael Jacob's magic is that,

1015
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, it does the predictable thing, the very sweet

1016
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,320
Speaker 1: loving but then everybody is just just sarcastic and ironic enough,

1017
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: just like singing each other enough, you know, and like

1018
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: especially Rusty as the dad is just you know when

1019
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 1: when when you come for this big like Corey moment

1020
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: where he later where he's like, Dad, I left you,

1021
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: and like the way the Rusty just kind of plays

1022
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 1: it off like I'm cool man. It's good. Yeah, it's

1023
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: per they did. But it's also it's such a typical

1024
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,479
Speaker 1: thing in in sitcoms about kids, and it was done

1025
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,439
Speaker 1: here too, but it was done in a much I thought,

1026
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: a better way, better written way. At the end of

1027
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: the day, it just comes down to the writing. There's

1028
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: there's always the sense of someday you'll you'll understand kid,

1029
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: Like you get that in every show. Someday You'll understand kid.

1030
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: But it didn't come off like that with this episode.

1031
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't it was like, it wasn't other people telling

1032
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: I mean, even though it was it was Corey. It's personalized,

1033
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 1: like it becomes this journey with me and that's like,

1034
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: we'll get into it. But when you see Phoeny get

1035
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: ditched on his dinner, it's like, oh, he's humanized and

1036
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: he you know, he's no and and for Corey to

1037
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: have it's it's exactly played out so that like you'll

1038
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: know when you're older, is played out in story and right,

1039
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: that's what I mean. So it's not that kind of

1040
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,799
Speaker 1: sitting them down. You'll figure this out when you're Can

1041
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: we eventually talk about Phoene just making a salad. We'll

1042
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: get to that, okay. Um. So in this scene though,

1043
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: this is this is the scene where we find out

1044
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: that the family already knows that Corey has detention, and

1045
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: he's like, how do you possibly already know that? And

1046
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: now we find out as the audience, Oh, he stuck

1047
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: his head over the side of the fence and told

1048
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: me and you learn as the audience. And by the way,

1049
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: that's all they say. It's not made a big deal

1050
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: about like drafts. The teacher lives next door. It's just

1051
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: that's it. The audience learns, Oh, Phoeney stuck his head

1052
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: over the fence. He lives next door, so that the

1053
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: side of us on the side fence. That's what we

1054
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: learned right from there, which is pretty amazing. Their backyards

1055
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: to each other. Who ms directly opposite the front door.

1056
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: You go into the front door on the left side,

1057
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: through to the kitchen and go into the backyard. Then

1058
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: they're not neighbors. He lives, he lives behind them. It's

1059
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: still a neighbor, my friend. I guess, alright, you get

1060
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:46,959
Speaker 1: the same four we have. So then we go back

1061
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 1: to school. We learned about detention. We go back to school. Now,

1062
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: this scene I thought was a little was really interesting,

1063
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: so I thought it was going to again watching it

1064
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 1: for the first time in twenty nine years, maybe maybe

1065
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: the first time ever. I don't have a memory of it.

1066
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: I thought. When Corey says to Sean, hey, should we

1067
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: go to the game on Friday? Let's go, And Sean says, well,

1068
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: what about detention and he's like, don't worry about that.

1069
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: In my head, I thought, oh, now the rest of

1070
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: the episode is going to be he ditches detention. They

1071
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,760
Speaker 1: come up with a scheme to go get tickets. No,

1072
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: none of that. And uh. Also the first first forgotten

1073
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: sibling is reference I talk, I make a joke about core.

1074
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: Uh Chauncey's character being an only child. Yeah, like he's

1075
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: lucky to be an only child because he has bought

1076
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: a hot launcher. I don't know what or he brings it.

1077
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I but I was immediately Wait,

1078
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: so Sean was already established as not an only child,

1079
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: which then gets completely forgotten as the seasons go on. Right, yeah,

1080
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: so you you didn't like your lunch because you must

1081
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: have been I'm assuming the second child. So second child

1082
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: problems you get forgotten because there are too many other

1083
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: things to think about. And Chauncey has a delicious lunch

1084
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: because he's an only child. Um, but yeah, just the

1085
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 1: opposite of girl, I'm sorry, I always wanted to buy

1086
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: my lunch, Like if somebody made you lunch that like,

1087
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: you wanted to buy lunch a school, didn't you. It's

1088
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: a whole different thing. I'm just I'm just that's it

1089
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: was a weird joke to me because I was like,

1090
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: I would rather have bought lunch at school than have

1091
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: the sandwich that I felt like. I thought, Yeah, but

1092
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that's a class distinction that's

1093
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: different in cities than suburbs. Maybe, I guess may think

1094
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: if yeah, I think if you're in the city, your

1095
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: your parents just pay the cheap launch or you get

1096
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: the free lunch, and then if you have really loving parents,

1097
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: they like make your lunch. But it's like which you are,

1098
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: like vegetarian crappy was like such a source of ship.

1099
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 1: Oh man, I would always get the hot pizza lunch

1100
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 1: at the exactly anyway something shiny um. Yeah, So that

1101
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 1: that whole. But Danielle talked about this at the very

1102
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: big getting about continuity for our show, and it was

1103
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: just all over the place all the time of who

1104
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: had siblings, who didn't have siblings, where did you live,

1105
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: who did you live with all this stuff. Writer had

1106
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: a very good point, to Michael's credit, you don't really

1107
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 1: want to get attached to anything. And if in sitcom land,

1108
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,760
Speaker 1: if something is funny, that is king whatever is funny,

1109
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: and so if it made sense to have a joke

1110
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: that Writer is not as well taken care of because

1111
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: he's got siblings, make that joke, and five episodes from now,

1112
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: we want to say that Writer is an only child,

1113
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 1: will do that too. That's I mean, that's the evolution

1114
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: of Sean too, because like, you know, I took over

1115
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: for some other actor and they gave me a sister

1116
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: for that episode. Then they forgot about it, and then

1117
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: it was really just like one trailer park joke that

1118
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: established that Sean lived at a trailer park. And I

1119
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: will find it. I can't wait to see it because

1120
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: I remember it was just like an offline It was

1121
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: just an offhand, like one line joke that then became

1122
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: this like recurring joke that then became the drama. The

1123
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: central draw of Shawn's life is that he's so poor

1124
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: and that his parents have abandoned him at different times,

1125
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: and that he you know, complicated, and that we ended

1126
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: up developing this entire history out of what really started

1127
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: as they make fun of the poor kid joke at

1128
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: some point, you know, And I can't wait to see it.

1129
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the treehouse. Yes, I don't

1130
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: think I ever. That's the one thing that went through

1131
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: my head is I don't think I ever got to

1132
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: do a single scene in that treehouse. No, I don't.

1133
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: I don't think I did really either. It wasn't very big,

1134
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: but by the way, we don't use tree houses enough

1135
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:32,720
Speaker 1: on shows. It was beautiful, so cool, really cool, really

1136
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: really cool, really different for a set, Like I thought

1137
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: it looked great. I just was like, why don't Why

1138
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: is there not another one of these? So I watched

1139
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: this episode with my son, Um, and uh, maybe now

1140
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 1: is a good time. I recorded a conversation with him

1141
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: before and after, and the reason I bring it up

1142
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: is because I think I didn't get this on tape

1143
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: when we were we talked on with my microphone. But uh,

1144
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: he was blown away by the idea that everything was

1145
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: shot inside. When I told him that, like, even when

1146
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: we're in the treehouse that's on a stage, we are inside,

1147
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: and he could not get over that. That was like

1148
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: the most shocking thing that ever happened. It was like, wait,

1149
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: so you never went I was like, no, dude, that's

1150
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: the way he should film a TV show. It's everything inside.

1151
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: And this scene was especially confounding because you're outside in

1152
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: the treehouse. And I guess, like, maybe we assume everybody

1153
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: knows that, but probably not, especially not kids. Right when

1154
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: they watch a show, they believe in the reality of

1155
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: its outdoors. Um. But yeah, she has never seen an

1156
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: episode of Boy Meats World, right, Not completely true. He

1157
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: had watched one episode after we had done a taping.

1158
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: We did one of these charity rewatches last year, and

1159
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: so it was cute up on Disney Plus. So the

1160
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: next time he turned on Disney Plus there was an episode.

1161
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: He was like, let's watch your show, and we did,

1162
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: and it's from like fifth season. I had no recollection

1163
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: of it. He thought it was so weird and he

1164
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 1: never wanted to do it again. But now he's been

1165
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: watching sitcoms, he's been watching multi camera shows, and I

1166
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: realized it's kind of appropriate for him to watch it,

1167
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: and so I sat down with Indie. I asked him

1168
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: a little bit before we started, and then we talked

1169
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 1: a little after. Um, and so I put it together

1170
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes. Um, and this is a clip

1171
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: I am calling too much shirts great, what do you

1172
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 1: think the show is about? A dude? What are your

1173
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: favorite TV shows right now? I don't already have like

1174
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: a favorite right now? Nicky Ricky, Dicky and Tricky and

1175
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: Dawn the Heat Nicky Ricky, Ticky and Dawn, And I've

1176
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: already finished. What about thunder Man's? Did you finish the

1177
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: thunder Man's? Yes? So I mostly watch Terry Kids A

1178
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: big hit. Well, I think maybe that's a good indication

1179
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: that you'll like this show. But I haven't seen it

1180
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: for thirty years, so I don't know how I'm going

1181
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,439
Speaker 1: to feel about it. What do you think I'm gonna

1182
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: look like? He is? So? Thanks man? No, yeah, I

1183
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: don't think I had freckles by that time. I had

1184
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: freckles when I was your age, but they were gone

1185
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: by the time I started the show and was shiny makeup?

1186
00:59:06,120 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: Were you and maup? Get back to you and let's

1187
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: watch it. Any initial thoughts into it? Was good? You

1188
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: didn't laugh? I never do that to any of them.

1189
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: What was good about it? I don't know. I did

1190
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 1: thank you with it? Oh? Yeah, sorry? Was your favorite part? Yes,

1191
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: I have a small part, though I didn't really do much.

1192
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: He did it a lot. What did they do? He did?

1193
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: Said high? And you had the same spot every time

1194
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:45,439
Speaker 1: you talked in the cafeteria. We never liked got up. Well,

1195
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: I was in the classroom to Yeah, but you will

1196
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: always sitting whenever you talked to you was sitting, That's true.

1197
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: I don't think I stand in the entire pilot. I

1198
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: thought I sounded weird. My voice sounded like shaky to me.

1199
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: I like, all right, what did you think of a

1200
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 1: storyline with Corey? He's the main kid? He was all

1201
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: about him? What are you talking about? You saw me?

1202
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there only about you know. Come on?

1203
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: What about the teacher? What do you think of him?

1204
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: He was weird? Why because he musta Do you think

1205
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: he's a good teacher? Why not? He's mean? Oh he

1206
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: thought he was mean? Huh Yeah? Well what about the parents?

1207
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: Did you think they were good parents? Yeah? But you did? Dad?

1208
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: You're cheesy? Cheesy? What way you just think? What about Will?

1209
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: What about Will? Is the older brother? Was how is

1210
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: he me? He thought he was mean to? Did it

1211
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: look like Will looks now? No? Yeah, it doesn't look

1212
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: anything like him. All right? What did you think of

1213
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: our clothes and stuff? Do you watch shirts? Shirts? Yeah?

1214
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: They were really big, weren't they. Does it seem like

1215
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: old fashioned? Yeah? Really? Did it feel like like that's

1216
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:15,959
Speaker 1: what it's like to be a kid these days? Too cool? Well,

1217
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: do you do you think you'd want to watch anymore? Sure? Yeah,

1218
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: And I have to say he has been begging to

1219
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: watch it every Phoenies mean interesting that you picked up

1220
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 1: the Phoenies mean kind of he did, because Phoenie is.

1221
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: I was amazed at how strict he is and how

1222
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: like authoritarian and but yeah, it was so funny to

1223
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: realize that that my son was really seen it through

1224
01:01:37,240 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: Corey's eyes. And actually the fact that he didn't even recognize,

1225
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: like he didn't even know Corey's name, I think as

1226
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: an indicator that he just saw Ben as a sort

1227
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: of avatar, do you know what I mean? He put

1228
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: himself in Ben's shoes, like he he thought the brother

1229
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: was mean, the teacher was mean, because that's how Corey

1230
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: sees the world, right, like that's how it starts. And

1231
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: he didn't you know, he's seven, so he's still kind

1232
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: of in the zone where I think if he's introduced

1233
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: to a character and they're like Mr Masters, get off

1234
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 1: of my face, which is like what Phoene says to him,

1235
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: He's like, he's not gonna get come back from that

1236
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: very easily. Now I have a question, was he right?

1237
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: Did you not stand throughout the entire episode? I think so. Yeah.

1238
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: After he said that, I was like, I don't. I'm

1239
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: only sitting in the cafeteria and sit in the classroom.

1240
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, And I think it's like that for the

1241
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: first season until until the Coreys altern of the Friends episodes,

1242
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm always just like, you know, I mean, in a

1243
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: weird way. I was sort of like this, what are

1244
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: the characters in the Muppets whether on the box watching? Yeah,

1245
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: I was kind of like that, right, Like I was

1246
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: just Coreries like sidekick in the cafeteria while we eat,

1247
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: because I just remember always having to eat and act

1248
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 1: the worst. You're good at it, though you are a

1249
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: great eat too much. I actually ate if you watch

1250
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: Bill Daniels, he's just like push his stuff around on

1251
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: his plate. That that's an actor thing. That's an active thing.

1252
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: You see that in every show. I literally watched it

1253
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: last night in mash where all the characters are pushing

1254
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: around the That is like a big actor thing. You

1255
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: just use you move your fork, but you don't actually

1256
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: eat smart and you're just chowing down. Michael rationalized that

1257
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: once why you were doing that is because you were

1258
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: poor and it's the only place you got food. And

1259
01:03:12,240 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 1: You're like, it sounds like a rationalization. He's like, yeah,

1260
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: I just made that up. Yeah, I I find a

1261
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: moment where I don't have to speak for a while

1262
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: and then take a bite there so that in the

1263
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 1: background somewhere people see that I am eating. It makes

1264
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: you think that I must be eating the rest of

1265
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,640
Speaker 1: the time. But then that's the only time I really neat.

1266
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: But I'm not in the pilot, so what do I know.

1267
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 1: It depended. It depended on the episode and how fat

1268
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 1: I was towards the end, where I was very, very fat.

1269
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: I'd eat whatever they put in front of me. But

1270
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: so Phoene serves himself a salad which for two people,

1271
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: A salad for two which is what he made. By

1272
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: the way, it was the starter. I think he had

1273
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:58,320
Speaker 1: a multiple course meal. Yeah, by the greens. There was

1274
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: nothing else in the salad. He didn't even slice a tomato.

1275
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:04,680
Speaker 1: The man for I mean, it was like, help us.

1276
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was supposed to imply that he

1277
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: had a full meal, and it was. It was the starter.

1278
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 1: Now I have a question, have we has has. I

1279
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: know it was obviously the pilot, so it's the first time.

1280
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 1: But was that angle into Phoene's house ever used again? No, never,

1281
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: We never saw that again, kind of peeking into Phoenie's home. No,

1282
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: there's a scene later where I think Ben and him

1283
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 1: sit outside of Phoenie's home and have tea together or

1284
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 1: talk coming up. And but those were even very few

1285
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: and far between. You went in the house once when

1286
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: it became the with the de lou to see how

1287
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: lickt it is. I mean, you guys are in the

1288
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: house once. That's the one time we got to see

1289
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: inside Phoenie's houses when Corey and I turned his house

1290
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: into a B and B, and I remember it was

1291
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 1: really excited to finally be and it suddenly had two stories,

1292
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: which doesn't I don't think makes sense based on the outside.

1293
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: But yes, but that is that's the only time we

1294
01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: actually saw that from into the you know, into Phoene's

1295
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: home was just that time of the pilot. Okay, I

1296
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: was curious about Yeah, I don't think we'd ever seen

1297
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 1: that again. And I thought that looked really great too.

1298
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: We have another uh he Corey makes a comment in

1299
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: this treehouse scene about America's Funniest Home Teacher, and I

1300
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: was like, wow, in the scene in this episode we

1301
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: have a full house reference and an America's Funniest Home video. Yeah, yeah,

1302
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: he didn't The only thing he didn't do is turn

1303
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 1: to the camera and go watch us on ABC Friday

1304
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: at eight. I mean it was like they did. They

1305
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: threw it in where they could. Well, if you keep

1306
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: it in the family, that makes sense. So this is

1307
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: the scene where we all of a sudden our heart

1308
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 1: strings pull for Phoenie and we realized that he has

1309
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: been stood up and that he is a little heartbroken

1310
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: about it. And now we've humanized this very stern teacher.

1311
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: Um and yeah. Then the next scene we're in with

1312
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: UH with Betsy and and well I guess Amy and

1313
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 1: Corey Uh in the bedroom and this is where she

1314
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: tells him that they're bringing in a renter too little scene,

1315
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 1: So you guys will did you notice the thing? What's

1316
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: the what's the switching of the beds? No? No, no,

1317
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: But Ben used to always say, we never wrote not

1318
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: only that, but it's also the duck hunt gun has

1319
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: no chord in one scene, and then the next scene

1320
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: has a chord and it is plugged in. So Ben,

1321
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,120
Speaker 1: could I say, how come come? So whenever they wrote

1322
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: the line how come the first season, he goes and

1323
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: we used to tease him so much like comb you

1324
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: say it like that best second used to always bug

1325
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: literally wrote that down. And that's why the second I

1326
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: heard it, it was like all the memories came flashy

1327
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: back of you just being like, then, who come you see?

1328
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: H oh my god, yeah that was that, and the

1329
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: and the belt pulling which must have come later. He

1330
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: did this like kind of always grabbing at his belt

1331
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: to pull up his pants. That plus hokem ye, oh

1332
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: my god, oh my gosh, he'll keep it. We'll keep

1333
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: a hol comb tally going on the first season, I

1334
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: didn't know to sit and now now I'm going to

1335
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: pay attention to it. Uh So we learned that, you know,

1336
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 1: Corey once abandoned his dad as he got a little older,

1337
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: and get adding in another layer makes Corey think. And

1338
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: then we get into the next scene, which is the

1339
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 1: detention scene, which to me is just of every scene

1340
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: in this show was such a standout because of Bill Daniels.

1341
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 1: I I what and what luck that we had Bill Daniels. Seriously,

1342
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,560
Speaker 1: I mean not only that, because we also know that

1343
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 1: there was for a while we weren't going to have

1344
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: him and he was going to leave. And the fact

1345
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: that leave that for Bill to tell us. To hear

1346
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: that from Bill, I wanted for that story. But he

1347
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 1: is so compelling. Now, did anyone else have a problem?

1348
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: And I get why they did it. I totally get

1349
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: why they did it, and it was necessary to do it.

1350
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 1: But the fact that he's such a stern teacher and

1351
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:55,840
Speaker 1: there's nobody else in detention. Again, I got why they

1352
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: did it. They wanted the scene just between Feenie and Corey.

1353
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 1: I totally understand that that's what it needed to be,

1354
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: but I found it it's to me, it was like,

1355
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: there's no the entire school, there's nobody else in detention

1356
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: but Corey. Oh, you know, it's funny. I didn't think

1357
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: about it as being that this is the detention for

1358
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: the entire school. It was just his class, just for

1359
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: Phoene's class, and that there were other teachers running other

1360
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: detentions in the school. That's what I didn't think about

1361
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 1: it as such a spectacular scene. It's amazing. You know,

1362
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: the real risk of this scene is that there's not

1363
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: a laugh for you know, five minutes straight and and

1364
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: that you know you're going to dip into sentimentality, which

1365
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,600
Speaker 1: I think Boy Meat's World did very often. But I

1366
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 1: couldn't believe how how serious it was and how willing

1367
01:08:39,240 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: it was to become a drama show essentially for an

1368
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: extended scene between two characters and man like that. Like

1369
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: like I said, when we started, I could not believe

1370
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: how much of boy Meat's World is already encoded in

1371
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: this episode. And I think it's because of this scene.

1372
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: I mean, they must have just knew they had nailed

1373
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: it when they shot the scene and you could see

1374
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,240
Speaker 1: it and be like, oh, this is I want to

1375
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: endlessly watch these people change each other. You know, we

1376
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: Bill doesn't speak at the beginning. That's the amazing part

1377
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,080
Speaker 1: about it is Bill doesn't speak. You know that Ben

1378
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: is doing his kind of stick and and Bill is

1379
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: doing everything while staring down at the page, and it

1380
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: still works. It's the bench stick is actually one of

1381
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: my favorite parts because, as Ryder mentioned at the very

1382
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,480
Speaker 1: opening of the show, Corey's character is a little braddy

1383
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: and you're a little bit like, is this a likable kid?

1384
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 1: And one of the things I loved is that you

1385
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: see him push the button and keep pushing the envelope

1386
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,719
Speaker 1: and pushing the envelope, and then even though he's out

1387
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: the door, he comes back in like I'm never gonna leave,

1388
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: Like you and I both know you're in control. I'm

1389
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: still ultimately a good kid. And I don't know. Yeah,

1390
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,720
Speaker 1: and you did and you didn't even need to say it.

1391
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,560
Speaker 1: You you saw it, you knew it. You now already

1392
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: love and know this kid is a good kid. Um,

1393
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I loved it. I love

1394
01:09:57,720 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 1: that beginning part. And then when Phoenie finds out that

1395
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: Corey was spying on him or that had seen him

1396
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: and that he was stood up, the change, the sternness

1397
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: with which Bill does that scene, it was I mean,

1398
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: it was just so compelling. I was absolutely eyes glued

1399
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: to the TV. But also perfect teacher where he uses it.

1400
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,600
Speaker 1: He turned it into a teachable moment. I'm going to

1401
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 1: take this moment and I'm going to teach what I

1402
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:29,559
Speaker 1: tried to teach you with Romeo and Juliet. I am

1403
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: now going to teach you right here because of this.

1404
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 1: And it was it's such a great turn and it's

1405
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 1: such it's it's it just shows such depth of the

1406
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 1: Phoenie character, which is, while you spied on me, you

1407
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: think this happened in my life. I'm not going to

1408
01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: explain what happened in my life. I'm gonna use this

1409
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 1: to teach you about something. And it was just it's

1410
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: set the stage for every every other teachable Phoenie moment

1411
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: that you still have, which is another question we always get,

1412
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: which is what what moment you know, what did you

1413
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: learn from Bill or what did you learn from Phoenie?

1414
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: And it was always moments like this where it's that

1415
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,440
Speaker 1: teachable and it was incredible. Just one of my favorite lines, ironically,

1416
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 1: is when he says during Bill's monologue moment, he says,

1417
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 1: you come and you go. You come into my class

1418
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: and then you leave me. And you know, he's basically

1419
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,759
Speaker 1: saying like I only get you for one year, which

1420
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 1: turns out to another when Elevation show. But yeah, he says,

1421
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: you know, the time spent with me, I don't know

1422
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: if you learn anything or not. And it's like, if

1423
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:26,960
Speaker 1: only we could tell them, like, you know, you're gonna

1424
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: be there for seven years, You're gonna be going to

1425
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: college with these kids. But he's also he's talking about

1426
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's were at the end of the day.

1427
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 1: You have to remember we're doing a kid show, which

1428
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: is what t G I F was and what this

1429
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,520
Speaker 1: was specifically geared towards. And one of the main characters

1430
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,600
Speaker 1: is talking about Shakespeare and Chaucer and some of the

1431
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: greatest poets and writers of all time and using that

1432
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:51,800
Speaker 1: as a teachable It was again the idea of the

1433
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: teachable moment coming from a teacher, which is something that

1434
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 1: the joy that Boy Meets World could do as opposed

1435
01:11:57,280 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 1: to I learned the lesson from my dad. I learned

1436
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: the lesson from my mom. It's just kind of you've

1437
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: seen it before or the teacher was a buffoon. So

1438
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: the teacher teaching is just such a wonderful thing to

1439
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 1: watch all all the time. So yeah, that was I'm

1440
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: like you, Daniel, I just I couldn't move my eyes

1441
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: away from that scene because incredible, amazing, amazing. Okay, So

1442
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 1: then Corey goes back to the house and he apologizes

1443
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 1: to his dad for ditching him, and writer, you mentioned

1444
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:24,799
Speaker 1: it briefly earlier, but the the how casual Rusty is about,

1445
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 1: Oh what you know, No, that's cool. I I get it.

1446
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: It's the circle of life. Um, he's just just what

1447
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: a he's such a cool dad. Yeah he was, which

1448
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: is why I think my son called him cheesy because

1449
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: he was cheesy because he's probably taking a dig at

1450
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 1: me in that moment. Like, Dad, you try and be cheesy,

1451
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: You try and be cool like that all the time,

1452
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: and I fail. Yeah. I love this scene, and I

1453
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: love how Rusty is so relaxed and like not precious

1454
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 1: about anything, as Rusty always is such an amazing actor.

1455
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: And then Lily so good, like he's just wonderful. And

1456
01:13:01,160 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 1: that's such a cute scene. You can see Corey finally

1457
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: changing right, like he's doing the things now, he's talking

1458
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,680
Speaker 1: to his dad, he's hanging out with his sister. It's

1459
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 1: a It's a really great little scene. I thought, I'm

1460
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: not a huge fan of of of Runners. I get

1461
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 1: that not all runners are good, but I wish that

1462
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 1: the no, don't hug me was a thing that kept going.

1463
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: I thought that was a great moment and I thought

1464
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: that's one that could have come back later in the show. No,

1465
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 1: I think that's the only time it happened, and I

1466
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 1: think it was great. So yeah, yeah, Well the next

1467
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: scene we have Corey and Eric get to resolve their

1468
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:38,759
Speaker 1: little conflict. Corey encourages Eric to call his date Heather

1469
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 1: um and which I think is really sweet. It's a

1470
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 1: nice little wrap up that now he wants his brother

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Speaker 1: to be happy. He wants him to have that, even

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Speaker 1: if it means pain for himself. He wants his brother

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Speaker 1: to be happy. And then he goes downstairs and he

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01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: has tea with his little sister and it's it is

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Speaker 1: so cute. Was she tosses the doll. I love that.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was such a wonderful moment where she

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Speaker 1: just tosses the dollars like the doll because if you

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01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: go back in the entire episode, a lot of scenes

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Speaker 1: she's cradling it like a baby and feeding it and

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Speaker 1: it's the most important thing to her, Corey, do you

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Speaker 1: want it up there? To keep you saying? And the

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Speaker 1: second she gets a chance to be with her brother,

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Speaker 1: she discards it and here's the chair for you. It

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Speaker 1: was great, Yeah, yeah, I love it. It's a very

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Speaker 1: cute scene between the two of them. And then we

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Speaker 1: learned in the tag. I thought this was very funny

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Speaker 1: that in the tag we learn oh you thought Mr

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Speaker 1: Feeney was stood up. Absolutely not. He's not a loser,

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Speaker 1: you know nothing at all. It wasn't a date. It

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Speaker 1: was his sister. I thought that was a really I

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01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 1: was going to travel a very long way for a

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Speaker 1: really light meal. It's like, hey, George, I drove six hours.

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Speaker 1: Could you have thrown some chicken in this? Like? Thanks? Please?

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Speaker 1: Just greens something. Yeah, I thought it was just it's

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01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 1: very It's funny to me, like he that they could.

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Speaker 1: They didn't want to leave it that he did actually

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Speaker 1: get stood up. They wanted to clarify he didn't. Well.

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Speaker 1: I think it was also it was also kind of

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Speaker 1: clarifying that at eleven, you know, think you know, you

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Speaker 1: don't really know. That's a good It brings us back

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Speaker 1: to where Corey started, which is that he knows nothing.

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01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: He knows nothing. You got to come back next week

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01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 1: to see him learn again something else about we all

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01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 1: learn together. Yes, Well, speaking of which, we will be

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Speaker 1: back next week. We will be watching the next episode,

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Speaker 1: which is season one, episode two. It's called on the

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Speaker 1: Fence and yeah, I'm I'm excited to see it. I

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Speaker 1: I feel like I was very interested in the pilot.

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01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:39,600
Speaker 1: I thought the pilot was way better than I was

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01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: expecting it to be too, and so I'm thrilled. I'm

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01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 1: thrilled to see what this next episode was, which we've

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01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: learned in this episode. Will that is actually the first

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Speaker 1: episode you guys all taped together. I think so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think this was the one. So I'm excited to

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01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 1: excited to watch that. And uh, yeah, you guys have

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Speaker 1: any closing thoughts, I think we I think just saying

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Speaker 1: it was a lot better than I remember it being,

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad it was. It was. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: a great episode. And man, Bill Daniels can act. That's

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Speaker 1: what That's what I took away from this. Will sign

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Speaker 1: us off. We love you all, pod dismissed. Pod Beats

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Speaker 1: World is an I heart podcast producer hosted by Daniel Fisher,

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