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Speaker 1: Wake that answer up in the morning.

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Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's DJ, Envy Jesse, larrys Charlamane the guy.

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Speaker 4: We are the Breakfast Club. We got some special guests

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Speaker 4: in the building. We have Mario and Mandela van Peebles.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Hey man, good to be here.

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Speaker 4: How's it feeling.

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Speaker 5: How y'all feeling good man, It's a little cold, but

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Speaker 5: we're happy to be here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm old enough to remember when it was Melvin

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Speaker 2: and Mario.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mario, they keep going, wow, yeah, you know, it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: The other day I looked up and I realized I

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Speaker 1: was telling Mandela this. My father gave me my first

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Speaker 1: lines ever in the Future film, and then I gave

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Speaker 1: him his last lines ever in the Future film.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: This is a trippy circle, Like how many people get

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Speaker 1: that in their lives, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: And when I did.

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Speaker 1: Posse thirty years ago, years years ago, I didn't have

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Speaker 1: kids and and but I had my dad. And then

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Speaker 1: this time when I did Outlaw Posse, I didn't have

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Speaker 1: my dad, but I got Mandela. So I'm like the

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Speaker 1: connective tissue absolutely, you know. So uh.

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Speaker 6: Outlaw Posse the unofficial sequel, our official sequel.

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Speaker 1: It's posse, you know, it's it's a Western. It's just

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Speaker 1: you know, like Clint Eastwood did a bunch of spaghetti westerns.

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Speaker 1: It's a different Western. It's not really, but it is

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Speaker 1: a multi culty, wild ass group of cowboys and cow women.

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Speaker 1: I guess you would say, uh, differently than before. So

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Speaker 1: it's you know, before we had like like a and posse,

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Speaker 1: we had Big Daddy Kane and Tone and Woodie Strode

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Speaker 1: and the Hdland brothers and Blair Underwood and Sally Richardson

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Speaker 1: and big cast that's the And this time we've got

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Speaker 1: who got get to the mic, what Cedric? We got

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Speaker 1: DC young Fly, we got Whoopy Goldberg. She didn't. I

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Speaker 1: didn't cast Whoopy. Whoope cast herself playing this role. I

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Speaker 1: was shooting something for Rizza Wu Tang Clan American Saga

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Speaker 1: next door in Jersey to where Whoopie lives. So she

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Speaker 1: came over, like, what's all this racket? And then we

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Speaker 1: met and I said, she said, I've always wanted to

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Speaker 1: do western. I said, I got this script I'm doing

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Speaker 1: and she said, stage coach Mary, stage coach Marry. And

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Speaker 1: that's how that came about. Really, Yeah, and we just

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Speaker 1: it's one of those things where you meet someone like

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Speaker 1: me and you just like, I want to do it,

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Speaker 1: and then I'm really one of those guys. I will

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Speaker 1: really call you up and be like, Okay, here's the dates,

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Speaker 1: let's go, and she's like, I'm there, Montana, what are

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Speaker 1: we doing?

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: And because a lot of folks don't know that almost

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Speaker 1: one out of three cowboys was black. You know, you

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Speaker 1: look at the old westerns, you don't see that because

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Speaker 1: we basically they call black man boys as a derogatory term.

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Speaker 1: So and we got the harder jobs, the dirty job.

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Speaker 1: So it's like take care of the horses, boy, take

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Speaker 1: that's where the name came from. White guys like being

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Speaker 1: called rough riders and and so once the Hollywood glorified cowboys,

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Speaker 1: they flipped it up and they had they didn't have

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Speaker 1: us playing them kind of like you know, we know

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Speaker 1: one of those things. So really, when you look at

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Speaker 1: out Law Posse, you'll see like real history where you'll

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Speaker 1: see some of the real characters in the movie, and

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Speaker 1: the movie you'll see, oh, I thought that guy was

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Speaker 1: made up. No, this is. We based the whole look

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Speaker 1: the end. And you'll see with Whoopy Goldberg, how close

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Speaker 1: she gets the stage coach Mary.

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Speaker 6: What's the significance of stage coach Mary's inclusion in the film?

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Speaker 1: Well, she is, you know, she has her own stage

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Speaker 1: coach line that she ran up through Montana, had a

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Speaker 1: big old cigar and a big old shotgun. And in

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Speaker 1: the movie, there comes a point where Edward James almost

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Speaker 1: me in the posse, but I don't know he's a spy.

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Speaker 1: Look at the noise. But okay, I'm gonna tell you what.

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Speaker 1: There's a scene where we're going to buy some dry goods.

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Speaker 1: We've just had a bank robbery go wrong. All kinds

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Speaker 1: We're like, why are you laughing mad? He's like, because

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Speaker 1: the Originals they don't believe the originals of the Indians,

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Speaker 1: he said, they don't believe that God that we have

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Speaker 1: the right to own any of God's creatures. But before

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Speaker 1: you get mad, my wife was born enslave. Those same

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Speaker 1: Native Americans set my wife free. So it starts to us.

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Speaker 1: So we lose all our horses and we got to

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Speaker 1: hit your ride with none other than there. You gotcha.

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Speaker 5: I didn't get way too much to us.

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Speaker 4: How I was working with your dad.

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Speaker 1: It's good.

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Speaker 4: I had a lot of practice tonight.

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Speaker 1: It's fun.

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Speaker 5: Obviously I've been his son for a while now. So

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Speaker 5: on camera, we don't I don't know if he looks

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Speaker 1: As for ship, yeah, okay, no, but we have we have.

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Speaker 5: A relationship that luckily we get to wear different hats

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Speaker 5: and this time we got to wear some cowboy hats

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Speaker 5: and shoot some guns. And what's what's cool actually working

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Speaker 5: with him at a work thing. Usually he's directing or acting,

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Speaker 5: but this time he got to do both, and so

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Speaker 5: he's directing and acting and I'm also playing his son.

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Speaker 2: So it's a.

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Speaker 1: Pretty rare one when we work together. Sometimes you're behind,

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Speaker 1: is that he can ride. He's a cowboy. He can

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Speaker 1: He did all his own stunts. You're not only when

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Speaker 1: you're doing it like because Outlaw Posse. He's a mean

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Speaker 1: ass independent. So it's not like you're gonna see a

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Speaker 1: lot of billboards or anything. It's more word of mouth, right,

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Speaker 1: And we just won Best Feature at the Pan African

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Speaker 1: Thank You, So when you do a feature like this,

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Speaker 1: So when he rides in, not only does he have

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Speaker 1: save dad, you know what I mean. And and the

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Speaker 1: thing about working with your son like this is we

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Speaker 1: didn't have to fake the love. So when you look

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Speaker 1: at it on camera like we clown and play together.

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Speaker 1: We don't have to fake the love and so so

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Speaker 1: you're going in with people that really get it and

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Speaker 1: know their roles, and that's that's fun.

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Speaker 4: All the actors know how to handle and ride horses or.

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Speaker 1: If they didn't like that, DC had to go to

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Speaker 1: cowb I was gonna ask.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he was on a horse like that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I had to get on a horse just because

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Speaker 6: he from the South, you think rode horses.

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Speaker 2: He was on a horse.

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Speaker 4: They have brothers out there that ride on Atlanta horse

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Speaker 2: But he was.

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Speaker 5: He was at the he was at the screening and

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Speaker 5: I asked him how many times have you rode since

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Speaker 5: He's like, I.

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Speaker 1: Got a horse. Now he got a horse. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: so yeah he had to and and Cedric Cedric didn't

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Speaker 1: have to ride. So Cedric's in there, and uh oh

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Speaker 1: in Allan Payne. Allen Payne can ride from New Jack City.

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Speaker 1: I was like calling up all my old connects, come

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Speaker 4: Oh you still you mentioned Alapaine.

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Speaker 3: Are you still surprised of the influence of New Jack

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Speaker 1: It's a trip. In fact, we played with it. I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna say nothing. No, look, no fake asked for

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Speaker 1: calling things, you know what I mean? No, no am

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Speaker 1: I surprised. Yeah, I was surprised. Here's the thing. You know,

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Speaker 1: in most gangster films, you emotionally connect with the gangster. Right,

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Speaker 1: that's easy. I mean, that's it's easy to get to.

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Speaker 1: The trick in Nwjack was to not make the crime

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Speaker 1: So I was two guys I was looking at. One

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Speaker 1: to play the victim. And when that's what the trick

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Speaker 1: was to say, Okay, we see the cost to our

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Speaker 1: also look at the cops too. You know, you had

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Speaker 1: good role models to say yes to, because if you

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Speaker 1: role models to emotionally say yes to. Right, you feel me,

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Speaker 1: But in the middle, to have the victim get addicted

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Speaker 1: to crack and we deglamorize the heck out of it.

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Speaker 1: nothing cute about that. So I've had people come up

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Speaker 1: to me after seeing it said, man, I love the movie.

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Speaker 1: I never wanted to touch No Crack after seeing New Jacksony.

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Speaker 1: So that was one of the things that I was

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Speaker 1: proud of, is trying to not just entertain us, and

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Speaker 1: that's the thing without Law Posse, but editain us and

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Speaker 1: Mandela can tell you, yeah, you could tell them that

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff in Outlaw Posse that's really

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Speaker 1: relevant today. You know, we're so divided as a country,

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Speaker 1: they say right now because some of us watch MSNBC,

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Speaker 1: CNN and they watch Fox News or whatever, and we

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Speaker 1: have different facts. But we'll all hopefully come together and

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Speaker 1: watch it western we made this Gumbo would love.

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Speaker 2: So I quoted New jack City.

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Speaker 6: I was on This Week ABC with Jonathan Carr Sunday

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Speaker 6: and I quoted New Jackson. I said, because I was

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Speaker 6: talking about how, you know, the vice president she needs

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Speaker 6: I was like, you know, I know that historically the

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Speaker 6: but I was just like yo for New jack for

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Speaker 6: New Jack problems.

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Speaker 2: We need new Jack.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're in a different time with that, and

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Speaker 1: you can't you can't come at it, you know, you

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Speaker 1: got to come at it ready. And and this that's

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Speaker 1: the other reason I wanted to do at La Posse

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Speaker 1: now is that there's a whole scene where we go

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Speaker 1: in there and and we deal with some voting right issues.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: So there's stuff you'll find in out La Posse where

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Speaker 1: it's like, oh wow, that's happening right now. Yeah, you know, right,

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Speaker 1: even environmental stuff. Right. I don't want to get the

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Speaker 1: spoilers away. You really got to check it out. March first.

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Speaker 1: There's a great quote by King all mess Up where

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Speaker 2: That wasn't the misters?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, okay, but it maybe it further than that.

434
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Speaker 1: So we rob a bay and then the sheriff is

435
00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,359
Speaker 1: totally befuddled. When he comes out. He says, man, black

436
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 1: and white and cahoots together, working together. Who could have

437
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,680
Speaker 1: seen that happening? And so in the course of our

438
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Speaker 1: movie that the outlaw strength is their diversity. America. Part

439
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,880
Speaker 1: of America's strength is our diversity. You know, good allies

440
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:39,959
Speaker 1: coming our all colors.

441
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Speaker 6: Yeah, you can't put you can't stereotype no criminals right.

442
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Speaker 1: There, No no, no, no, no good allies coming off colors. Man.

443
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Speaker 1: And that's that's the maturity when you go. It's something

444
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Speaker 1: Malcolm came came to realize too. It's not not your

445
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,119
Speaker 1: skin color, it's where your heart is, you know, so

446
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Speaker 1: kind of touching on what you get to the microphone.

447
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Speaker 5: So what you mentioned, though good and evil, that that

448
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Speaker 5: kind of dynamic at play.

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Speaker 1: I was just thinking about that.

450
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Speaker 5: It's interesting that evil is represented by the law abiding

451
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Speaker 5: angel and then the good is the outlaws.

452
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Speaker 1: And and that goes to our tagline, which says, you know,

453
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 1: slavery it was legal. Not allowing women to vote was legal, legal, right,

454
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 1: Jim Crow? Legal? Destroying nature still legal. When the laws

455
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Speaker 1: are unjust, the.

456
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Speaker 2: Just are outlaws, like Wade, now exactly, you know what

457
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Speaker 2: I mean.

458
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Speaker 1: So the laws really is more about who has the

459
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Speaker 1: power versus what's just and what's correct.

460
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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

461
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Speaker 1: And so we we come into a place in this

462
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Speaker 1: movie where we have the choice of just going for

463
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Speaker 1: the gold or stopping to correct a couple things, some

464
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Speaker 1: injustices on the way. I didn't say nothing.

465
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Speaker 5: But watch the movie with you guys.

466
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be like the dude in the back of

467
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Speaker 1: the forty dude the screen at my own screen.

468
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Speaker 3: Why did you decide a major movie as opposed to

469
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Speaker 3: a Netflix or streaming service.

470
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Speaker 1: Because I like, here's the thing. When you watch TV,

471
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Speaker 1: TV is small and man is big. When you watch

472
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Speaker 1: a movie, man it's small. Movie is big, and I

473
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Speaker 1: like to sit up there. Plus, when you watch a movie,

474
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Speaker 1: you paint some money to sit in the movie, you

475
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: put your devices down, you put your toys down, you

476
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Speaker 1: know what I mean, You pick your popcord up, and

477
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Speaker 1: if the movie doesn't suck, you stay right in there

478
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Speaker 1: and you get into it and you're engaged in it.

479
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Speaker 1: I love that.

480
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Speaker 2: It's very hard to watch movies at home.

481
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

482
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Speaker 6: I don't know why we think that's a good thing,

483
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Speaker 6: because you're too distracted.

484
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Speaker 1: Well you know, and plus I'm the kind of dude

485
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Speaker 1: I'll be like, shut up, I want to see it.

486
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Speaker 1: Unless it's a comedy, then I like to go see

487
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Speaker 1: it right straight in the hood. We live right right

488
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Speaker 1: good in the hood, so I'll go right down there. Okay,

489
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Speaker 1: I know I'm part of the audience is going to

490
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Speaker 1: be part of the movie. There's always that joke at

491
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Speaker 1: the top. In fact, we just played at the Pan

492
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: African and it was certain lines you couldn't hear because

493
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Speaker 1: people was talking to the screen. It was fun, you know.

494
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Speaker 1: So some of that interactive thing we we watched film

495
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Speaker 1: kind of like we interact with art, and whereas some

496
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: cultures have grown up being reverential with art, you know,

497
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Speaker 1: like a museum or something, you get all in the

498
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: touch it, take a photo of it, it's like walking

499
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,280
Speaker 1: down the street in New York. It's like, white folks

500
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: recognize me and they're kind and they can't have a picture.

501
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: Black folks they're related to you. Come on, shut up,

502
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: you better take get um, you know. So there's a

503
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Speaker 1: different there's a different quality at you know day you.

504
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Speaker 2: Talking about allyship.

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Speaker 6: I wonder how does the allyship of stage coach Marry

506
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Speaker 6: contribute to the development of of of Chief and other characters?

507
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Speaker 1: Right? Well, see, well there was a lot of issues.

508
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Speaker 1: Right One was that one of her rules was you're

509
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: gonna ride on my stage coach, you gotta stole your weapon.

510
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Speaker 1: So that was all already dealing with, you know, Western

511
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: we lost our horse at a certain we got to

512
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 1: get him back, and I got stolen my weapon. It's like, wait,

513
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 1: but that's some second amendment, like well, you want to

514
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: be on my stage coach, Mary's stagecoach Mary's rules, you know.

515
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: And then she asked me, she says, do you remember

516
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: your dad, your pop? After she talks to him, and

517
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, man, they hung him for trying to

518
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: teach me to read. And then they told me to

519
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: call some all white priest father and the slave owner

520
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: master and they said, by law, I had to take

521
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: the master's last name. So I knew what all them

522
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: bullshit laws. I was going to grow up to be

523
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: an outlaw for sure, you know what I mean. So

524
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: there's a lot of knowledge that would be drops that

525
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: sort of prompt. So you go, you think about stuff

526
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: and you go, wow, that white folks need to hear

527
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: two black folks need to hear. But we go, wow,

528
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: that makes total sense. You know. When you lay it

529
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: out like that, it's like, remember the beginning of Posse.

530
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Speaker 1: At the beginning of Posse, Woody Strode, who was the

531
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Speaker 1: first brother I saw in a western that didn't show

532
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: Woodie Strode says, history is a funny thing. They got

533
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: us thinking Columbus discovered America, but there was already people

534
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: here just like me putting my flag on your car

535
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: and saying get out your car. I'm gonna call you evil,

536
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: red savage, you know what I mean. So when you look,

537
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: when you break down the whole origin story of this country,

538
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: you really see it's a really all inclusive story and

539
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: it's still a wonderful country. And still we got all

540
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 1: this crazy potential. There's a lot. So I'm like the

541
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: character towards the end, says I'm fighting for the America

542
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: we can be, not just America we've been. You know.

543
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Speaker 6: I love the quote in the film Angel says to

544
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Speaker 6: willis that religion is the story we tell ourselves about

545
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 6: the future. History is the story we tell about the past,

546
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Speaker 6: and it's told by those in power, right.

547
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Speaker 1: It's found that. Yeah, man, well thank you for noticing that.

548
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,719
Speaker 1: That was something I wrote that line with Melvin in

549
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: my head. My daddy used to say history is a

550
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: book written by the winner, right, And so once you

551
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: understand that, you go, oh, so they're telling you a

552
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: history that sets up how they want you to be,

553
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: you know. Franz Fina says, the best colonizers always left

554
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 1: behind the churches and the schools so that they could

555
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: socialize the oppressed to the oppressor's point of view, right,

556
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 1: and that one good priest could do the work of

557
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: one hundred soldiers. You know. So the thing is, you

558
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: got to read to learn. I mean, you got to

559
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: learn to read, but then you got to read to learn.

560
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: And when you really start to read your own books,

561
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 1: and you read the biography of Malcolm and you read

562
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 1: the history of Ethiopia, and you understand how they do

563
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: They beat back the Italians and we're never colonized. We

564
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Speaker 1: don't learn about that history, the Battle of Odwa, you

565
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And you learn about the West

566
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: and you go, oh wow, you mean Jack Johnson then

567
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: went off, you got a white wife, and him and

568
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 1: his white wife opened up a club called Black and

569
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: Tan where folks of all colors were welcome. I didn't

570
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Speaker 1: know that, do you know what I mean? I didn't

571
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Speaker 1: know that. I mean, you just learned so much and

572
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: when you learn it, you can't up but go, wow,

573
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: we were here, we were doing our things. So lines

574
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: like that where you say it's a book written by

575
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: the winner, we really all can be winners. It doesn't

576
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: have to be replacement like okay, if if if you

577
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: win and then I'm naturally losing, that's that's that's not correct.

578
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: We can actually win together, you know, and actually right,

579
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: And I got white people in my family, for real.

580
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: I got white gay I even got a Trumper in

581
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: my family. So I got love with open arms, you

582
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So that's why even in New

583
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: Jack City, man, I mix it up. I paint with

584
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: all the colors. When I make a movie, I'm not

585
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: trying to make reactionary film or do under them like

586
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: they've done onto us. I want to do unto them

587
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: as I'd like them to do unto us, but also

588
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: do on them in a real way.

589
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 6: That quote also shows that basically like the narrative of

590
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 6: history can be manipulated or shaped by whoever is in

591
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Speaker 6: the position about totally what's happening now?

592
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean, I was just in Cartagena, Columbia. We

593
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: went to a part called Polenke. I never heard it before.

594
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Speaker 2: Brother.

595
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: Everyone looks like us. They just don't sound like us,

596
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: you know. So you go there to brother comeing to hey, kay,

597
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: I'll the good thing over it. You know, you're like, whoa,

598
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: what are you saying? Brother? And you realize we always,

599
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: all of us are speaking the colonizers' languages. We don't

600
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: know our own languages, We don't know a name. But

601
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: in Polenki they have this area where all the freed

602
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: slaves went. And finally Spain had to cut a deal

603
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: with them because they were so strong and they couldn't

604
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: be beaten. They said, we'll let you have your freedom

605
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: under one condition. You have to keep a white church

606
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: in the center of your town. And it was like

607
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: so clear. It was like, if you keep our white daddy,

608
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: we will leave you alone.

609
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 5: You know.

610
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: So when you really look at that, you go wow, wow.

611
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: You know what I mean the most listen, this is

612
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Speaker 1: one of the last conversations I had with my dad

613
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: was he said, the modern day colonizer doesn't put chains

614
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: on your body, the chains on your mind. The first

615
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: step to free your mind is to control your own

616
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Speaker 1: inma the image of what you can be, the image

617
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: of what you think you can be. If you look

618
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: at a western go you, man, I could be a cowboy.

619
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Speaker 1: I could be in the West. I could be this,

620
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: I could be I could do whatever that sets you free,

621
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: your imagination free. And this man grew up Mandela grew

622
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: up seeing his granddad and his dad as cowboys. You

623
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean. That's that's a real dope freedom

624
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: to have.

625
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 7: You have the audition for this mandal for years, right, Yeah, No,

626
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 7: I was.

627
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 5: I was a little bit privy to it as I

628
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 5: was still in the writing process.

629
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Speaker 2: So it's something that he knows.

630
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Speaker 5: I have a love for horses and all things nature,

631
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Speaker 5: So I think it was kind of in the back

632
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 5: of his mind.

633
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: It was written for you.

634
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say for me, but I would be pretty

635
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 5: mad if someone else was playing in Sun.

636
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: And the thing is, this guy can act his ass off.

637
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: He's in that show Reginald the Vampire. He plays a

638
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: black panther. It was turned into a vampire because the

639
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: the arc of history does bend towards justice, but it

640
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: takes too long. So if you're a vampire, y're around

641
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: and he was, you're the What was that Mary of Kings,

642
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:14,239
Speaker 1: Mary of Kingston. Yea, I said, Jeremy Renner. Yeah, so

643
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: he's doing a lot of acting, so it wasn't just

644
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: like I picked him up. Listen, someone gonna be LaToya Jackson.

645
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: Even if you're a Jackson doesn't mean you're gonna act,

646
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know, if you're a

647
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: vample doesn't mean you're gonna act so and look at

648
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: like the Jackson's but we just don't have the talent.

649
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: Do you feel pressure following in your possible.

650
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 5: It's interesting because that word, I don't know. I don't

651
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 5: feel pressure per se. I feel it's more like a

652
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 5: resource I can tap into more so, like even even

653
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 5: with the self tapes, the auditioning process, just having him

654
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 5: around when I need him is great even when I'm

655
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 5: out of town or not not around. He can make

656
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 5: time to even watch something just putting eyes on it,

657
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 5: and and I think that's yeah, not so much a

658
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 5: pressure but a resource and kind of like, thank you man.

659
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about that.

660
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 5: He really he really helps me out and he wants

661
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 5: to see me win. So there is, you know, an

662
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 5: external pressure maybe from people looking I'm happy with myself.

663
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 5: I could I could make it and be happy, or

664
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 5: I could, you know, have a restaurant and be happy.

665
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 5: So really, I I do this because I enjoy the

666
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 5: craft growing up watching him basically support us, and I've

667
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 5: got a big family playing Make Believe.

668
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: That's a pretty cool job.

669
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 5: So I've always kind of admired that, And yeah, would

670
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say it's a pressure. I would say it's

671
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 5: a it's kind of a hope to live up to that.

672
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: In a way, Mario.

673
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 6: For you, how important is it to continue to filmmaking

674
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 6: lineage within your family by having your son NFL?

675
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I remember a certain point my dad

676
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: and I I had I done of New Jack City

677
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: and then I did Posse and the movies were doing

678
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: well and Hollywood was of saying, what do you want

679
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: to do next? When I want to do Posse after

680
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: New Jack. The critics came after me and they said, oh,

681
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: he's trying to make Old Jack City boys in the

682
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: boys in the Saddle until they saw the movie. And

683
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: then my dad said, what do you want to do next?

684
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: I said, man, I want to do that. Because he

685
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: had written a book on the Black Panthers. I said,

686
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: I want to turn your book on the Black Panther

687
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: Party for Self Defense into a movie. He said, they're

688
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: not gonna let us. Hollywood ain't ready for that. And

689
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: we went to Hollywood to do it, and he was right,

690
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: and we had to get the funding independently because what

691
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: they wanted this was the craziest. They wanted one of

692
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: the lead Black Panthers to be white.

693
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: What Oh my god.

694
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: And they said, yeah, man, look, Dances with Wolves is

695
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: not going to star a Native American. You know, Rocky

696
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: is not gonna star you know, a brother. You know.

697
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: You're just at that point, you know. So I was like, oh, okay,

698
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: I see what you're doing. The dominant culture has to

699
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: see itself reflect didn't film in a dominant way, and

700
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: you'll be the exotic backdrop. So we didn't do it,

701
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: and we had to put the funding together a different way. Well,

702
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: when we did that, and I directed it and produced

703
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: it and my dad wrote it and produced it, and

704
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: we didn't always agree, but you know which it fell

705
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: into his demand. I went his way, fell into mind,

706
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: we went my way. He turned to me and he said, man,

707
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: I love you. I like you, and I admire that

708
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 1: you're courageous because we're doing stuff that we know is

709
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: going to be controversial. Because what we showed with Panther

710
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: was kind of the prequel to New Jack City, was

711
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: that it's not an accident that you can get drugs

712
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: in almost every minority community in America and guns and

713
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: guns are not made in that community. You know, we

714
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: don't make oozies in the hood, We don't grow poppy

715
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: fields in the hood. So how does it get there

716
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: on a daily basis? And the minu you follow the money,

717
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: it leaves black hands brown hands very quickly, and you realize, wow,

718
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: they want us to be medicated, and that to a

719
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: certain degree, that represents a self cleaning oven. Right, So

720
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: when we do that kind of film, you're like, WHOA.

721
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: And now Panther is a really hard movie to find, Like,

722
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: this is the one movie I made that. It's like,

723
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: you can't find that movie.

724
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 6: It don't even come up when you google, or maybe

725
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 6: I was tripping, I googled just your films.

726
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but don't up.

727
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: Man. It's like there was a right wing organization that

728
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: took out ads against it. It was like they just

729
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 1: didn't want us to think they they didn't want to.

730
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: They don't want you to think about that kind of stuff.

731
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: You just stay in the hood, bopping your head and

732
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, doing that and don't think about why the drugs.

733
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's Malcolm stuff. So what happened was

734
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: Dad wanted to be a writer. First of all, Melvin

735
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: wanted to be a tennis player, but he stucked at tennis.

736
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: He just wanted to go at it. So he said,

737
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: I want to be a writer. But then he said,

738
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: he said he got out of writing the direct film,

739
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 1: make film. I said, why, Daddy, He said, because folks

740
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: weren't reading books enough. They were watching movies. So if

741
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: in the future they go to some other medium and

742
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: you want to reach the people, you want to reach

743
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: the folks that are going to get out there and

744
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: vote and change what tomorrow looks like. Then maybe we

745
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: have to move mediums. So it's not so important what

746
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: the vehicle is. But what is important is being a Grilloh,

747
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: telling our stories, right, telling our stories that set us free,

748
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: that make us go. And let me just say, you know,

749
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: we're not really in the business of brain science brain surgery.

750
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: But when apartheid fell, there were two favorite shows they

751
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: were watching Miami Vice were A White Leading Man and

752
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: a Black Bleeding Man and The Cosby Show. And I'm

753
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: not talking about the Man. I don't want to litigate that.

754
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the phenomenon of the show. Course, twenty

755
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: years before they were the Obamas, it was the Huxtables.

756
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: Hey man, Now we've got modern family and will and grace.

757
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: Whatever it changes, how we look at who you love

758
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: and how you love you feel me. So what's that quote?

759
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,479
Speaker 1: I love to mess up? This one by Lincoln. He says,

760
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: with public opinion on your side, you can do almost anything.

761
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: Without public opinion, it's very hard to get anything done.

762
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 1: He who controls public opinion has more power than he

763
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: or she who makes the laws. We're in the business

764
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: of culture. I think culture can be healing. If you

765
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: can make a Western, say, well, America made more Westerns

766
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: than any of the type of movie. But in most

767
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 1: Westerns I saw growing up as a kid, I didn't

768
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: see us. Right. If you looked at a Western, you

769
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: saw someone black. They were shuffling and not someone you

770
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 1: wanted to be. There was a woman, she was pale,

771
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: frail and needed rescuing. If there was a Chinese guy,

772
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: he was hop seeing the houseboy. If there was a

773
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: Mexican dude, he was the oily bandit who didn't need

774
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: no stinking botches. And if there was a good only

775
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: good Indian was a dead Indian. So you were kind

776
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: of marginalized if you weren't a white guy. But I

777
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: don't feel the need to this nobody either, right, So

778
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: we have like we have some badass white characters in it,

779
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: because that was real. They were there. So I'm just

780
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: not making reactionary film. Outlaw Posse is probably more representative

781
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: of what the West looked like, and because of that,

782
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: it feels revolutionary.

783
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: I like reading reviews.

784
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 6: You know, It's interesting how when you see critics they

785
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 6: say the film struggles with effectively managing the shifts between

786
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 6: comedy and a more serious tone.

787
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: When I read that, I'm like.

788
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 6: Well, they don't know what it is to be black

789
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 6: now right, Well, here's the other thing.

790
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: Life is the drama.

791
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 1: Well, here's the other thing. That's how we survived too.

792
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: Someone asked my daddy, was my dad all these answers

793
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: he said? He said, he said, how can we move

794
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: so fast? Because he well, they killed all the slow ones, beatty,

795
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: Why didn't get to the top. They didn't let me

796
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: in at the bottom, you know. But but that's but

797
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: that's real, and that the people that live the longest centurions,

798
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: people over one hundred, have one thing, three things in common.

799
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: The first is sense of humor. We got all these

800
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: great black comedians. Why great jewice comedians. Why because we

801
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: both people went through trauma. You go through trauma, you

802
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: you either die or you laugh. You and then hopefully

803
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: you laugh and then you get up and make change.

804
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: Is I'm not saying I'm gonna be laughing. I'm still

805
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: gonna get my ass up and make a movie that

806
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: says something. And then you know, and that because we

807
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: believe is you know the three loves? What are the

808
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: three loves? Son? Tell your day?

809
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 5: Love what you do?

810
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 1: Yes?

811
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 5: So I got closer to the mic, and here you go.

812
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 5: Love what you do, love who you do it with,

813
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 5: and love what you say with it.

814
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: There you go, and if those three chakras line up,

815
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: then you're rich, no matter what the paychest. I was in.

816
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: I was with Dad on fifty sixth Street. He had

817
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: a place on fifty six We're walking down the street

818
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: and his brother came up to us. He had long

819
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: silver dreads and he says, came up behind me, excuse me,

820
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: the Savannah peoples. I have to say, I love your work.

821
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: And we both turned around. We didn't know who he

822
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: was talking to, and he said, I am talking to

823
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: both of y'all. I'm a fan, but I'm not a groupie.

824
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: I have to let you know. Sometimes I go to

825
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: the movies and I'm entertained. That's a good thing. Sometimes

826
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: I go to the movies and I learned something new,

827
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 1: and that's a good thing. And every now and then

828
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: I go to the movies and I come out proud

829
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: to be a man of color, and that's a great thing.

830
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: And with your movies, I get all three Wow, wow, I.

831
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 6: Have the loss of your father impacted you personally and professionally.

832
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: It makes me. Enjoy doing ship like this.

833
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 4: You can't.

834
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 1: My dad was a cloud.

835
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 2: You know.

836
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: I love to love him, but.

837
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 4: That was like I'm going to wrestle Dad when I

838
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 4: leave here.

839
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: He got me in. He got me in a little,

840
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: a little lock the other day. Well yeah, yeah, yeah,

841
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I just tapped out.

842
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 5: I'm not strong, I'm smarter, you know. So I really

843
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 5: just had to trick him. He didn't want to go

844
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 5: one way that I wanted him to go, so he

845
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 5: could open up his next all right, I pushed him

846
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 5: the other way.

847
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: So he was closing.

848
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 5: Then he just I'll open it up.

849
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: He locked me in.

850
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 2: He locked me in.

851
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: This guy can he could rubble. He you got a

852
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: good ground game. He pretty but he got a good

853
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: ground game. You know what what I miss is our conversation, right,

854
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know because towards the end hit Alzheimer's

855
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: and he was starting to fade. I could we could

856
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: sing songs together because that goes into a different part

857
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: of the brain, you know when you learn music. I

858
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: could hold his hand, he could see, he could know

859
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: who I was. But I miss I miss our conversations,

860
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: like conversations like this for real, like where you can

861
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: and that's why I could be here all day talking.

862
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 1: You'd be like, you're don't have to get me out

863
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: of here because you were like this Negro talks too much.

864
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: But I miss having those good, in depth conversations. And

865
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: that's again something to go back to the movie. That

866
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 1: I wanted the movie to do was to have conversations

867
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: with America that America is afraid to have with itself.

868
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: We're afraid to look at stuff and laugh and go

869
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: oh wow. I never looked at it that way, and

870
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: do that collectively in a room with people that don't

871
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: vote like you, think like you, act like you. That's

872
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: the point. If everyone around you looks and things like you,

873
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: life will get born. You know what I mean. You

874
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: got to challenge yourself, you know what I mean. So

875
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: I missed that because Melvin, dude, I'm gonna tell you

876
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: when you got a moment to count, So I'll tell

877
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: you what I missed. This is one thing I so

878
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: Dad had done sweet back, and we had risked. We

879
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: risked everything, all of our little family savings, I mean everything.

880
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 1: And then the movie blew up and he invited me

881
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: and my sister out to La to go to a

882
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: party and I was about fourteen and my sister were thirteen.

883
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: We had like beautiful afros. We looked like the Jacksons again,

884
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: go back to that, and she had red hair. So

885
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: we go to this party and it's a bot miss one.

886
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: Now we didn't know what the what a bot Mintville

887
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: was and it was my dad's agent had this thing.

888
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: So we go there and there are all these kids,

889
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: mostly Jewish kids, standing around the dance floor, all shy,

890
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: not wanting to dance, being a little timid. They had

891
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: a DJ, they had a band, but well, nobody dancing.

892
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: So me and my sister like, this is a party.

893
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: Oh they don't know right, the floor would light up

894
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: if you stepped on it. We're like oh, So we

895
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:11,479
Speaker 1: went out there like we were on soul train. We're

896
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: tearing it up. They all started up plotting us and

897
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: they came around the plot and my sister, my sister

898
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: and I were dancing and my dad watching and you

899
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 1: never know what Melvin van Peebles is gonna think. And

900
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: he signaled us over and I said, I don't know

901
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: what this guy's about to say. And we followed him

902
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: into their library. This family had a McMansion, big old library,

903
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: it looked like something you had of Beauty and the Beast.

904
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: And Daddy took his cigar out and he said, uh,

905
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: you know, I love y'all. Y'all are beautiful, and you did.

906
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: It's like you're on soul train. But I feel sorry

907
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: for you because you're going to miss out on half

908
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: of half of life. What and he said, yeah, man,

909
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: he said, listen, we got to love two things about people.

910
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: You gotta love who they are, but you also got

911
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: to love who you are when you're with them, right,

912
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: And the way you're dancing on that floor, it's not

913
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: inviting other people to dance with you. In fact, it's intimidating.

914
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: It almost looks like a challenge, like if they don't

915
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: know the latest steps, don't have the perfectness, or that

916
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: don't even bother coming out on the dance floor. So

917
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: you're never gonna know what that tall Jewish brother is

918
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: thinking right there and might man, he's been to Auschawitz,

919
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: And I said, Ausha, what he said exactly, You don't know.

920
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: You're not gonna know what that little Asian girl is thinking.

921
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: You're not gonna know. You're gonna miss out on half

922
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: of life because you're not bringing out the beauty and others,

923
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: and then he dropped the mic and I was said wow.

924
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: Me and my sister went back on the dance floor.

925
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: I got the girl up, she got the old dude up.

926
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: We got people involved. By the time we laughed left,

927
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: we had everyone up, dancing, hanging out, having fun. And

928
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 1: one of those guys at that party later on wound

929
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: up funding one of my movies when I became an adult. Wowow,

930
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: And he said, good wow life. Good allies come in

931
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: all colors, you know. Then the lesson was don't leave

932
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: love on the table. Some may not look like you

933
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: or vote like you. Your strength is diversity. Get out there

934
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: and listen to what other people are doing, and sometimes

935
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: you may learn something. You may go, oh, you know what,

936
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: Let me try that. Let me try his workout or

937
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: her workout. What's she doing? I need to know what

938
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: they're doing. Wow. I say, he was such a curious,

939
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: and he had an intellectual curiosity that I missed a

940
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: lot of people. We're happy if we just watched our

941
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: own show with our own news facts, and we just

942
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 1: want to see stuff that confirms what we already think.

943
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,800
Speaker 1: But the strength is, did you learn a new word? Today.

944
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: Man, I agree so much. Man.

945
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 6: That's why I was even when I when I brought

946
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 6: up the New Jack City reference on on with Jonathan Carr.

947
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 6: That's what I was in reference to because I was saying,

948
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 6: how the vice president needs to go mix it up

949
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 6: on Fox News.

950
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: Will Obama?

951
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: I want to do that with this one. I was like,

952
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: put me on Fox then let me get them. They

953
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: see Westerns, you know, and once you hear it, once

954
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: you listen. Somebody came up to me from Fox News

955
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: once it was a right wing radio station. It was

956
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: after nine to eleven, and I was with my kids

957
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: and they were like, what do you think of nine

958
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: to eleven? I said, well, listen, first of all, well

959
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: he said, what do you black people think of nine eleven?

960
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: I said, dude, I can only answer for me. I

961
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: don't represent black people. I can only represent my own

962
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: crazy idea. But let me just say this. If you

963
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: have children, and my eldest daughter says I'm going to

964
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 1: hit my brother because he hit me, my first question

965
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 1: is a thinking father would be did you do anything

966
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: that might make your brother want to hit you? Before

967
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: I condone, you're hitting him back? You know what I mean?

968
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: Before you get into a military stance with your brother.

969
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: Did he did you do anything to him that might

970
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: provoke me? Why do you hit you? Right? That's the simple,

971
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: And that's a Republican or Democrat. I said, we got

972
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: hit in nine to eleven, okay, but we framed it

973
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: as not patriotic to ever ask the question is there

974
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: anything being done abroad that might make folks want to

975
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: hit us? A minute you look at that, the minute

976
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: you go, oh wow, why is this going down over here?

977
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: Why is that? And you have to look at it,

978
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: you go, oh, there's usually something some some something to it.

979
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: It's not just people just hate you randomly, you know.

980
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 1: It's like you got to kind of look at what's

981
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: going on. And when you look around, like that thing

982
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: I was telling you about Cartagena, where they say, yeah,

983
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: we'll take you. You just have to take our Coca cola

984
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: and our gods and all this and all that, and

985
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: then you have your freedom, you know what I mean.

986
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: So I think what I'm what I miss is Melvin's

987
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: intellectual curiosity, and and that was a lot of that

988
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: came through travel seeing how if you travel around people

989
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: that you will see, oh wow, they're doing the same

990
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: thing we do or they they look at it a

991
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: different way. And you learn a lot when you travel.

992
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: So part of it is like in this dude, he's

993
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: always traveling. He's been That's what he was. He was

994
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: teaching in Africa. Man, but he was a kid, you know,

995
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: got bit by a line, right, Wow?

996
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got two more questions about outlaw policy.

997
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 6: Was the disconnect between the chief's public and private identity

998
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 6: done on purpose?

999
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 2: To humanism? How do you mean, like was it just

1000
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: done on like?

1001
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 6: Did you separate the identities his public how he was

1002
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 6: in public as opposed to personal with his family.

1003
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: Did you do that? The humanism more?

1004
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 1: Well, well he has yes. I mean I don't know

1005
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: if I did it directly to humanize him. You know,

1006
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that Johnny Cash song the Boy

1007
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: Named Sue, where he grows up Like there's a great

1008
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: quote by Mark Twain where says, all my life my

1009
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: father was an idiot, but at twenty one he was

1010
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: a genius, meaning that I got old enough to understand

1011
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: what he was doing. So part of what I wanted

1012
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: in the father's son dynamic was an evolutionary vibe where

1013
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: you go, oh, now I've spent time with a cat.

1014
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: Now I understand why he did what he did, but

1015
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: you wouldn't understand it younger, you know, man, Just like

1016
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: in my life, I didn't always like Melvinvap, especially early

1017
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: on I thought he was a paternal fascist. But later on,

1018
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: when I said, man, I want to act and there

1019
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: were no good roles as an actress, I said, these

1020
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: roles are terrible. You know, I'm getting offered Thug one,

1021
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: two and three and it's not working. So I guess

1022
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 1: I got to write. So I who's gonna teach me

1023
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: how to write? So I went to Melvin people. I

1024
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: wrote this first script that was a great script, gave

1025
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 1: it to my dad. He said, huh, it's a piece

1026
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: of shit. Hey, I said, what do you mean he

1027
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,959
Speaker 1: needs work? He said, nope, you can't polish the third

1028
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: son he was article. I said, okay, So I got better, better, better.

1029
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: Then I went to get the script done. Couldn't get

1030
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: a director, so I said, well, I guess I learned

1031
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 1: to direct. And each step that I took I had

1032
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: to go back to him and learn more. And finally

1033
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: at the end I realized he had equipped me. My

1034
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: mom showed me the mountain, and he equipped me to

1035
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 1: learn how to carry climb the mountain.

1036
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 2: Wow.

1037
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: So yes, there were separations in it with chiefs, you know,

1038
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: public and private persona, but they're they're connected. It's not

1039
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: like he doesn't is not. I tried this in life

1040
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: that the Mario I am as at least friends with

1041
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: the Mario. I try to be that them two jokers

1042
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 1: are not in separate rooms, you know what I mean.

1043
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: I'm never going to be as cool as ID like

1044
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: to be, you know, but but they're close, do you

1045
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Where I go, and especially as

1046
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: you get older, you get more like, man, I'm just

1047
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: gonna be myself, you know what I mean, Because.

1048
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 6: You project that script and authority in public, but sometimes

1049
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 6: you find difficulty with meeting that expectation in your house totally.

1050
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, the cleaner you get with it,

1051
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: and this is what I mean by that, the more

1052
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: that your dreams and aspirations become your words, and then

1053
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: your words become your deeds, and then your deeds become

1054
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: your actions, then the more you affect your reality in

1055
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: immediate way. Right, So thoughts become your words, words become

1056
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: your deeds, your deeds become your actions, and so I

1057
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: find that and there's always a gain, but I find

1058
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: them more that I go. Like even this morning, like

1059
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: this guy he'sid, okay, Dad, Like last night, he'll be like, Okay,

1060
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: let's get one hundred in. So we do it. We're

1061
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: gonna go eat. We're gonna go eat. It's late. We

1062
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: just flew in from La, but we're gonna do one

1063
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: hundred push ups before we go, you know what I mean.

1064
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: So we were just like, but I have to go

1065
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: before lazy Marios starts to go. Well, you know, I

1066
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,479
Speaker 1: really should make a phone call. And maybe I didn't

1067
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: stretching up because that negro will slow me down. I

1068
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: have to get up and go quick before his lazy

1069
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: ass gets up. So I realized there are different Marios

1070
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: and it just depends on which one I want to

1071
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: listen to. Gotcha, you know, I gotta.

1072
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 4: I just want to finish the last question, My last question.

1073
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: Questions by the way, New Jack City.

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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, you traumatized me for a long time. Why

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Speaker 3: did the light skin brother have to get stabbed in

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Speaker 3: the hand?

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Speaker 2: I loved it?

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Speaker 1: This was a question that Will Smith brought up.

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Speaker 4: Traumatized me for a long time.

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Speaker 6: Man, Anyway, one of the greatest scenes in cinema.

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Speaker 1: History scene you know what? You know what it was

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Speaker 1: the I I wanted to just when I make a film,

1083
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Speaker 1: I want to just let it rip. And there were

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Speaker 1: scenes with Wesley for real, Wesley and Allen Payne and

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Speaker 1: Alan Pain's in Outlaw posit and there were scenes because

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Speaker 1: we laughed and talked about it where they just did

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Speaker 1: their thing, and I had the good sense as a

1088
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Speaker 1: director to get the hell out the way, no ego

1089
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Speaker 1: and go, man, they got magic, let me just film

1090
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Speaker 1: the magic, you know what I mean? Uh? And there

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Speaker 1: was just moments that Wesley would do stuff and we're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that just works. It'd be killing it. You know. I

1093
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: still look back at when I watched that movie and think, man,

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Speaker 1: that's one of his baddest roles. Man, he tore it up.

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Speaker 1: He really inhabited the role. I mean, yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: hear what just and I'm not gonna say nothing, but

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Speaker 1: you'll see some reference to that. Youys thought you and

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Speaker 1: Alan was related, right.

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 2: I don't even look at them as light skin but related.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Well that's interesting because there's a reason

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Speaker 1: for that too. In out Laws. Yeah, go feed back

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Speaker 1: to so so yeah, and Allan has a great vibe.

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Speaker 1: We we hang now during the you know, it's like you.

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Speaker 1: The good thing is like the guy that's the same

1106
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Speaker 1: at twenty as he is is forty didn't grow much,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, you got and so the

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Speaker 1: more we grow is man, the more we've gotten closer

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Speaker 1: and go Many, you saw this and I can see that.

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Speaker 1: And Alan's so smart and thoughtful, and he's good in

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Speaker 1: this movie. Man, he did some stuff in this movie

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Speaker 1: that's wow. So I'd be proud to be I'm his

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Speaker 1: cinematic brother. Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, we appreciate you brothers for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Our posse is our March first, Yes.

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Speaker 4: Man, Many real man, Della van Peebles, what are we

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Speaker 4: gonna say?

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that again because when independent film,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna see huge billboards everywhere. It's word of mouse.

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Speaker 1: So people can go on my instagram, Mario van Peebles,

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Speaker 1: I'm easy to find or you know, and and and

1122
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Speaker 1: see it. But it's gonna be March first, but it

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Speaker 1: won't be at every theater, so you got to go

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Speaker 1: out and make it happen, all right, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean?

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Speaker 4: That's right, it's the break this club, good morning.

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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up Earth in the morning. At Breakfast Club,