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Speaker 1: This is the Meat Eater podcast coming at you from

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Speaker 1: a portion of Idahole that flows into the Snake River.

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Speaker 1: That's right, right, Callahan copy correct. The reason I can't

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Speaker 1: tell you that is he's got done mule deer hunting

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Speaker 1: and Callahan, um, he's real skittish. He's got little spots

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Speaker 1: all over and um and multiple states even, but he

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Speaker 1: gets leary when you talk about northern Can I say

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Speaker 1: northern Rocky scale, I mean Rocky. I mean what's Northern Rockies.

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Speaker 1: That's British Columbia. Okay, the Rockies. You're calling me saying

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Speaker 1: we've been hunting the Rockies. We've been hunting meal during

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Speaker 1: the Rocky Mountains to not betray anything. What what I

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Speaker 1: think I ought to be illegal? This is nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with with with any of this, but it's just

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Speaker 1: been something really weighing on my mind. Well I think

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Speaker 1: I would be illegal? Is um ads hunting ads? We're

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Speaker 1: a dude hunting ads that show a dude with like

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Speaker 1: a rack on his pack when you know that there

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Speaker 1: that it was just a rack someone had laying around

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Speaker 1: or in a freezer, especially when that dude is still

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Speaker 1: looking very sneaky. Because to me, I'm like that guy

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Speaker 1: as a poacher didn't know it's like the way those there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's still sneaking and he's got nothing else with him,

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Speaker 1: like Lord knows where the meat is. He's got like

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Speaker 1: a rack and he's always standing on a pinnacle surveying

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Speaker 1: the landscape. Dudes packing game don't look like that. No,

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Speaker 1: they don't look like dudes that you want to run into.

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Speaker 1: For the most part, dudes packing game who actually have

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Speaker 1: a rack on their back look like some guy that

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Speaker 1: just is like in the suckiest situation imaginable, can barely

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Speaker 1: walk and is on and his head in a downhill

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Speaker 1: direction and is not going out of his way to

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Speaker 1: iron pinnacles and look all majestic and survey the landscape,

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Speaker 1: or to be a dude like with a big old

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Speaker 1: rack and he's like crossing a raging river with a

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Speaker 1: mean look on his face and he still got his

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Speaker 1: bow already. I just I got the situation never happens.

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Speaker 1: I would make an add of a couple of dudes

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Speaker 1: who just looked like they hated their lives and had

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Speaker 1: the trip. They like this their third trip in there

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Speaker 1: in a fight because they're fighting about something and one

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Speaker 1: of them knee hurts and did say, like Steve's gear.

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Speaker 1: I told you we shouldn't have taken that trail to

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Speaker 1: the guys readjusting his hip belt. Yeah, you guys trying

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Speaker 1: to figure out what's around his backpack because he's like, dude,

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Speaker 1: this shouldn't hurt my neck. This bad to have a

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Speaker 1: backpack on. Why is it that either my hips kill

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Speaker 1: or my shoulders kill. It's when it's supposed to all

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Speaker 1: be evenly distributed. That would be a realistic ad. But no,

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Speaker 1: it's a guy looking like like a makeup person might

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Speaker 1: have put a little dirt on his face, and he's

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Speaker 1: on a he's like surveying a majestic mountain scene, rifle

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Speaker 1: in hand and like some giant elk crack where you

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Speaker 1: mysteriously can't see any part of the thing. Or some

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Speaker 1: of the guys are sneaking. They keep a bloody old

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Speaker 1: skull in their freezer, the sneaky. But the all of

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Speaker 1: these guys, even if they're surveying some scene they're in,

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Speaker 1: they're always in like a semi crouch, like a semi sneak. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm like it looks majestic. I'm just thinking about this

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Speaker 1: because we just did like I mean, it wasn't even

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Speaker 1: was thinking, like, if you took a picture me for

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Speaker 1: an ad, I don't know what they added before. You

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Speaker 1: some circumstance like pick up off the side of the road.

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Speaker 1: That guy is having a hard time. Yet there's something

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Speaker 1: wrong with you. There's something about blowing by. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: something about how miserable he looks. It gives me the Willie's.

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Speaker 1: There's one guy I don't know a name who he has.

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Speaker 1: He had an elks Go on a freezer, because I

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Speaker 1: feel like that elks Go popped up in more ads

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Speaker 1: of packing ads. You know what we're doing today is

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Speaker 1: we're answering um we're doing. We're here with Garrett Smith,

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Speaker 1: Garrett Audie, everyone out there. Garrett has a electric toothbrush.

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Speaker 1: Um lives in a vehicle, just getting done living in

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Speaker 1: baby steps. That's Brad's calculated move. He blew, He blew

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Speaker 1: Ryan Callahan Hello, Uh, Jana's Van's wall? Who tells us?

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Speaker 1: And Adam I don't even know what your last name? That? Well,

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Speaker 1: yeah that's right, Adam Offa who's a camera guy. The

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Speaker 1: first time we ever went out with you, did you

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Speaker 1: have enjoyable time? Yeah? It was fun. It was fun,

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Speaker 1: got to see Callahan's mustache every you got to see

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Speaker 1: more than that, Yeah, I dig it a little more

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Speaker 1: than that. Callahan came back into camp wearing enough but

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Speaker 1: his suspenders one night, and with a mustache and the

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Speaker 1: Paris suspenders, and the reason for that being it was like,

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Speaker 1: what were the suspenders holding up his pants? Oh? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't just clip He needs that kind of the

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Speaker 1: buttocks and his hips. This was not a fashionable moment.

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Speaker 1: It was very dark out and uh, I had had

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Speaker 1: taken the majority of my sweaty clothing off and draped

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Speaker 1: it over a mule deer. So the black bear that

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Speaker 1: I had gonna point out, he left to go get

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Speaker 1: a black bear and came back with the deer. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it came out with a bag of guts from a

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Speaker 1: deer um. But yeah, so I'm not Adam pointed out

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Speaker 1: it looked like a fat stick. It's like you're a

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Speaker 1: hundred forty pounds, but you have a beer gut work anyway. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I had peeled off a good portion of my

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Speaker 1: clothing to put on top of the deer, to to

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Speaker 1: your deer, or give me some peace of mind or something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I feel like that trick works. We did that

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Speaker 1: all the time leaving ilk overnight. You don't know it himpirically,

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Speaker 1: but it feels like it would work. I p around,

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Speaker 1: put clothes on it. It can't hurt. I've never seen

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Speaker 1: bears get on carcasses faster anywhere than Colorado, So I

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Speaker 1: I'd like to ask him if he did the clothes

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Speaker 1: he did he boned out. He left the four legs

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Speaker 1: the bear ate, all the boned out stuff and buried

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Speaker 1: his llama, brought it down to a creek and wash

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Speaker 1: He had one of those uh tight spots, but he

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Speaker 1: didn't have it on there. Right now, I thought your

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Speaker 1: brother was shot recurvever longbow. Oh that was Danny, No, Matt.

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Speaker 1: Danny is a traditional well, I mean, he likes to

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Speaker 1: I think he killed like oh dear with his recurve.

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Speaker 1: But he likes to shoot recreationally. My other brothers shoots

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Speaker 1: a compound. He don't like to hunt with the rifle.

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Speaker 1: He just likes the hunt on his boat. A matter

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Speaker 1: of fact, he's got a mountain goat tagging right now,

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Speaker 1: he's hunt Mountain GOLs with his boat, but he's bringing

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Speaker 1: Arnold Schwarzenegger in the end of Commando when he raids

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Speaker 1: It's gonna have a caddy. Yeah, like, yes about it?

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Speaker 1: Two or fifty yard shot. This is one of those

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Speaker 1: special podcast episodes, and we answered questions. Um, here's the

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Speaker 1: first question this, Ah, everybody gets a chance to answer this.

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Speaker 1: It's from what the hell town we near? This is

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Speaker 1: something from this town. We're in the middle of the Rockies. Well,

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Speaker 1: I just had a weird thing happened where I felt

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Speaker 1: named Drew says, this is that the town. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: look at the bottom of that darn close, darn close, fellow,

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Speaker 1: darn close to us right now? How's this say? So

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Speaker 1: not much of a conspiracy theorist, but I have a

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Speaker 1: for reintroducing wolves back into the West was for gun control.

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Speaker 1: With wolves growing at an exponential rate and negatively impacting ungulates,

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Speaker 1: and in time, hunting won't become an American value. Garretty,

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Speaker 1: what's your take on that. I think his buddies got

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Speaker 1: to focus on another field of study because personally, that's

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Speaker 1: a roundabout way of going about stuff. Yeah, you're like

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Speaker 1: that got an idea. I got an idea. Feather floats too,

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Speaker 1: No Drew, I Uh, I think there's no there's no

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Speaker 1: Do I think that they would uh have the wherewithal

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Speaker 1: and like the crystal ball clairvoyance kind of thing to

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Speaker 1: What I think it happened. I don't think there's a

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Speaker 1: big mystery about why wolves are back. I think wolves

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Speaker 1: were reintroduced because they had been extirpated regionally, extirpated from

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Speaker 1: think it's our obligation. Um, we can't drive animals to

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Speaker 1: now on whether or not we should regulate wolves. I

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Speaker 1: think rules should be regulated like any other big game.

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Speaker 1: I think they should be at this point managed in

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Speaker 1: places where they've recovered. I think they should be managed

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Speaker 1: on the state level as a renewable resource. But no,

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Speaker 1: I just I think your body is off. I think

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Speaker 1: your body maybe smoking a little too much herb um.

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Speaker 1: and she has a book called Slouching Towards Bethlehem, or

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Speaker 1: maybe it was she has nothing book called The White Album.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember what you her books this was in,

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Speaker 1: but she was talking about in the sixties now not now,

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Speaker 1: but this is going on in the sixties. She's talking

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Speaker 1: about because there's so much information out there that people

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Speaker 1: more hungry for like the secret story. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: getting hungry for those inside scoops. My brother believes that

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Speaker 1: it's the same kind of guy who's hungry for an

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Speaker 1: inside scoop is the same guy who likes starts smoking

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Speaker 1: a lot of weed. And it's not that smoking weed

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Speaker 1: makes you hungry for the inside scoop that no one

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Speaker 1: knows the real truth about Johnny? Why do you think

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Speaker 1: that's Why do you think that was the ultimate goal

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Speaker 1: has their rules and REGs. Because it's been someone new

426
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 1: and they haven't done a few of those and they

427
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: don't have it's busy, they don't have the help they

428
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: can back them up. You know, you can do yourself.

429
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 1: You know, a huge favor by having that mean like, look,

430
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: got this right off your website. Here it is, here's

431
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: the deal. Um, you know, because when in international airlines

432
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: can be different because what you just described is domestic.

433
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: But we just went over to you know, BC a

434
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: month ago and Air Canada. You know you cannot now

435
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: have ammo in with your rifle. But they didn't even know.

436
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: I had to argue with him about what it was.

437
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: She's like, no, you can't anymore because there's just a

438
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: big snaff foo. And the other woman's like, no, you

439
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: have to now because of the big snaffoo, right, And

440
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: then they get the third guy who jumps to with

441
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: his own opinion about the whole thing. But that's international.

442
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, do your research. I'm saying, like, generally

443
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: in the US that's how it goes. But if you're

444
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: flying into bos and Montana, those people are processing firearms

445
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: all day long, they know the rule. If you're flying

446
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: into weird towns, like let's say, for whatever is you're

447
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: flying a guy I don't know, I'm pulling this out

448
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: of my ass. Let's say you're flying into Miami, it

449
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: might be good to be prepared to present at the

450
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: Miami airport someone to demonstrate that you know what the

451
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: rules are at one time. In New York State, so

452
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: any airport run by Port Authority, which is a police

453
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: that's like a police department that sort of operates on

454
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: behalf of New Jersey in New York with ports and airports,

455
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: they have their own procedure where when you go to

456
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: check a firearm, they have a Port Authority police officer

457
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: come to the ticket desk, ticket counter, and that Port

458
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: Authority police officer records the serial number, makes sure you

459
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: have the proper permit to have a firearm in New

460
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: York City. If you're flying out of New York City,

461
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: you're flying through New York City to go hunting. Then

462
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: they escort you to the T s A. Now I

463
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: knew that I was supposed to be escorted by a

464
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: Port Authority police officer. I had a ticket agent assuring

465
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: me I was not supposed to be escorted by a

466
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: Port Authority police officer. They had me walk my own

467
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: gun over to the T s A. And then they

468
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: want up having to sit there in a little cop

469
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: office explaining my story until the ticket aged person came

470
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: and clarified that I did, in fact argue with her

471
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: and that she messed up, So yeah, be armed, But

472
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't like it sound like a

473
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: horror story. Man, It's generally like shockingly easy. Yeah, how

474
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: how how early do you get there before your flight?

475
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: That were different than normal? Definitely normal, but I like

476
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: to go earlier. Yeah, and I buffered with a firearm

477
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: for sure. Like the other day when I was checking

478
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: in it in Seattle, for whatever reason, they just had

479
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: they were just like backed up with the t s

480
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: a go. I was backed up with people's golf clubs

481
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 1: and skis, you know. I mean, it was just he

482
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: was having a slow time of it. So I leave

483
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: a little buffer. Um looking at these questions here, could

484
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: I say one quick thing about production flight or yeah?

485
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: Please man, well do that while I pick out a

486
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: good question. Well, the thing, the thing we've had issue

487
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: with is the lithium batteries and like trying to take

488
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: as many of those and carry on throughout the crew

489
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: because they will peeing sometimes and you have to deal

490
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: with that. And we always carry on a full camera

491
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: kit with media bats to you. So if check baggage

492
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: gets yeah, ends up and you can still keep rolling

493
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: while you wait for everything to come in. So you know,

494
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: there's that that whole like rumor that T s A

495
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: Agents are really rough on hunter's guns. That's why you

496
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: need to sign a man when you get what you

497
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: never heard that. It's like why you when you travel

498
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 1: internationally or you know, domestic, when you go and you

499
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 1: want to sit your gun and as soon as you

500
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: can because the baggage handlers kick your guns around. Right. Yeah,

501
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: it's just general like I've never had it. I'm not curious.

502
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: I've never had more T s AS guys be all

503
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: excited about what you're going to hunting for rough on bags. Yeah, no,

504
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: I agree. You were sitting the plane and look out

505
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 1: the window and watching Lowes bags. They could care less, dude. Yeah,

506
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't believe it. The last time that happened where

507
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: I actually had that view looking out the window and

508
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: the mom watching this guy and he looks like he's

509
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: my size, and he's grabbing our Pelican cases which way

510
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: fifty to eighty pounds, you know, and he's making sure

511
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: that he is getting them airborne compt you know, like

512
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: he's just like, yeah, get my training in right now.

513
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: You know. I just couldn't believe it, Like those things

514
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 1: were landing with the nice thud. Okay, I will I

515
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: had it is nice if you're talking about buffers to

516
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: look somewhat like you do in your passport picture. The

517
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: only reason I ended up in the room for further

518
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: review when we came through customs after the BC trip

519
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: this year is because the guy kept looking at my

520
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: passport picture from when I was three and looking at

521
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: me at thirty two with the mustache, and he's like,

522
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send you back for further identification review. And

523
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he's like when we get

524
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: I go back to the back room. The rest of

525
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: the crew comes through and they're dealing with all the

526
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: production stuff and like, oh, you guys are traveling together,

527
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 1: like lump them all into one group. And then it

528
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: was like, let me see your firearms and all this stuff.

529
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: Had I just looked a little bit like I did

530
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: in my passport picture, I would have breezed right through. See.

531
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: That's why I like a guy like me who's timeless.

532
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: It's just one of the side benefits. I can't grow

533
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: facial hair, yeah, but you wouldn't shave your must ask

534
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: for that BS No way, Well, I gotta get a

535
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: new passport picture. Yeah, yeah, alright, My buddies are giving

536
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: me a hard This is a question. My buddies are

537
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: given me a hard time because I took a three

538
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: yard shot on a goat yesterday. Where is he from?

539
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: Is it me mountain goat? Oh? I wish I knew

540
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: what kind of goati's tombot was already a great question.

541
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: My buddies given me a hard time because I took

542
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: a three shot on a goat yesterday. Oh, A lot

543
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: of dudes, especially more and more every year, call antelope goats.

544
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 1: I wish you'd clarify, not that it's gonna affect the answer.

545
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: My buddies me a hard time because I took a

546
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: three hundred yards shot and a goat yesterday with my

547
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: thirty thirty. My point was that it was three yards straight,

548
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: but I was two yards above the target, which means

549
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:20,719
Speaker 1: my horizontal it was a hundred and fifty yards angle compensation.

550
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what he's saying because it doesn't really

551
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: make sense to me. Let me, let me take a

552
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: look he's holding. I don't know, Oh, you know what

553
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: he's talking about, some kind of wild goat, because he's

554
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: now he's going on about Hawaii. I'm gonna paris the

555
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: question out because I think he's saying he's he's he

556
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: kind of goes on about archery. Yeah, okay, yes, yes,

557
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: and no, I don't even know what. Let me take

558
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: it first part. Let's two questions. I think three yards

559
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: is is a long shot for a thirty because they

560
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: really start to drop off at what Yanni Yanni Van's wall. No,

561
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: at what point is? At what point does the thirty

562
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: thirty really start to drop off? I don't really know.

563
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: I mean, we know that it's definitely a slower round,

564
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: but I would think that with today's AMMO you can

565
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: probably get something that a hotter round that could energy. Yeah. Okay,

566
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: so there you have it. Um yards shots. This is

567
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: just a perennial thing that comes up, like what what

568
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 1: kind of shots are too far? It's impossible to answer.

569
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: It's not impossible to answers some guidelines. A shot too

570
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: far when you're taking it and you're trying to and

571
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: you're wondering or not if you're gonna hit it, he fails.

572
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: Men should be hit the goat. Yeah, if you can,

573
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: I add on to that, just real quick, please finish,

574
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: finish it up. The very just propped into my head

575
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: because I've read another question earlier us thinking about it.

576
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: But the way to answer that and to figure that

577
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: out is basically whether or not your bullet, whatever velocity

578
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: is it's doing at three yards, if your bullet is

579
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: still performing you know, so a lot of bullets say

580
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: they perform, you know, um down to ft per second.

581
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: So basically, if you're bullets dropped to see per second,

582
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: when it hits, it's not gonna expand its It's gonna

583
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: retain its shape and just gonna pencil through the target,

584
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: pencil through the animal. So you're not gonna get that mushrooming.

585
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: So I would look at you know, look at the

586
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: ballistics chart. If you don't get the mushroomming, you're not

587
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: going to get the damage to the animal. Chances are

588
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: the recovery is going to be much harder. Yeah. I

589
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: shot a deer at four hundred sixty yards through the

590
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: lungs with with a monolithic bullet, solid copper bullet. The

591
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: wound channel looked about like if you took an arrow

592
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: with a field tip and poked it through the animal.

593
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: This thing didn't. It was through the lungs. It didn't

594
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: even register the hit. He kept chasing does and then

595
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: got a little woozy looking and fell over. No, No,

596
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: it was like he didn't know. I'm sure he felt

597
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 1: it was like he didn't know what happened because that

598
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: thing didn't have enough energy to open up, and it

599
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: was a it was a bullet that already had almost

600
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: like a weight retention or some you know, it's just

601
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: like a it just took a lot of velocity to

602
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: open that thing up. They make some of those solid

603
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: They were into those solid copper bullets that were sold

604
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: to pedal. But it took a lot of velocity. So

605
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 1: that that's a good point to bring up. It's like

606
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: the energy, you know, because if oftentimes you look at

607
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: a ballistics chart and you'll see a number will be read,

608
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, and it'll it'll be like, at what distance

609
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: does that thing lost so much velocity that doesn't have

610
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: the energy anymore to get at to function. But I

611
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: don't but I think the guy, I'll say this, I

612
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: think of this dude here is really fixing to do

613
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 1: a lot of three yard shooting, and I don't care

614
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: about all the new deaf and issus. Three shot is

615
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: a shot that you have to pay attention to. I

616
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: agree that's bordering on even by Western standards. A three

617
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: hundred yards shot is out into the marksman. It's out

618
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: where marksmanship matters. Right hundred yards you can be six

619
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: inches off, you know, and and being there you have

620
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: to be doing everything right three hundred yards minor mistakes.

621
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: If this dude is and he's hunting goats, and I

622
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: know he's in Hawaii, so he's hunting, like I'm talking

623
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: a little barnyard goats which are small, I would think

624
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: that he would if he's gonna get serious about this

625
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: and that's his new norm, I would think he'd be

626
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: thinking about a new rifle. Yeah. I mean, it could

627
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: be completely wrong on this, but just from you know,

628
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: my growing up, I've never heard of a thirty thirty

629
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: being some you know, an accurate weapon to begin with.

630
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: It's always been like a saddle gun. It's like, yeah, guys,

631
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: I mean, the only guys shooting thirty thirties anymore seems

632
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: like guys shooting berries and lions with hounds because it's

633
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: shooting out of a tree right up right above them.

634
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: But the only thing is it's like, sure, let's say

635
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: it doesn't have the energy. The thing is when you

636
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,919
Speaker 1: get when you get a bullet that has a lower

637
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: muzzle blasting, it starts to drop off. It really matters,

638
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: Like there's a big difference between an animal at two

639
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: yards an animal at three yards. When your bullets losing inches,

640
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: when it's losing inches to gravity over short spaces because

641
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: it's traveling so slow. Like physics one on one, if

642
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: I took a bullet, let's say I'm holding Let's say

643
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: you're shooting a hundred and fifty grain bullet, okay, And

644
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: I took a bullet and held it out of arm's

645
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: length and dropped it from my fingers, and at the

646
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: same time, I shot a bullet at that height perfectly

647
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: on a flat plane. I shot a bullet from that

648
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: height perfectly horizontal. Those two bullets hit the ground the

649
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: same time. It's not defying gravity. I opened my fingers,

650
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: thing hits the ground. So if you're shooting five yards away,

651
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: your bullet is traveling in a downward thing as it

652
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 1: slows down, that becomes more exaggerated. So unless you're really

653
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: good on range and you have a great range finder,

654
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: if you're just guessing, like, oh, he looks three yards away,

655
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: but you're in fact wrong, and he's three forty yards away.

656
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: That's not a very forgiving cartridge. Like let's say you

657
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: had some you know, let's say you had a three

658
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: hundred when mag shooting thirty feet per second, the bullet

659
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: is gonna be a lot closer to your point of

660
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 1: aim at three forty yards than one that's just poking along.

661
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: Put that in better terms, beyond you're better at that

662
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. No, you're exactly right, But I mean,

663
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: I think you explained it very well. The thing to

664
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: remember is that even with a three hundred windmag, the

665
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: difference between three hundred yards and here and forty is

666
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: ceased to be compensated for, you know, to shoot flat

667
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: out to three d fifty yards. You know, very few

668
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 1: cartridges are really you know, have a maximum point blank

669
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: range of of something that far. What's that rifle? Floyd

670
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: was talking about thirty so to three seventy eight neck

671
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: down to a thirty count and I think he was

672
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: saying that he has point blank out the four or something. Yeah,

673
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: so he's got a he's got a souped up real

674
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: fast rifle that he can zero with two hundred yards

675
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: and basically aim on an animal where he wants to

676
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: hit out anywhere from zero to four hundred yards to

677
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 1: be within three inches. Yeah, and I bet they zero

678
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: because they knew they're gonna take long shots. They probably

679
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: zeroed at three to get like a point blank range

680
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: out to four plus. So then if the deer jumps

681
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: out and he's twenty yards away or he's four hundred yards,

682
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: ware he just aimory you want to hit and pull

683
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: the trigger and he'll be within a few inches. But

684
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean to go back. It does not matter

685
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: where that rifle zero at. If you suck at aim,

686
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: if you suck suck it shooting. If you jerk that

687
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: trigger and you're shooting something at four hundred yards, you're

688
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: gonna be either getting a very gut wrenching lesson or

689
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: missing completely four yards. Yeah. My personal for me personally,

690
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: if I can't four yards, as far as I like

691
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: to shoot animals that live in creatures, four yards, that's

692
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: just where I'm at personally, And that's just the you know,

693
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: I know I mentioned one earlier. That's the first I've

694
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: ever shot at something at an animal. Um for if

695
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: I get like if I if I'm hunting, I can

696
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 1: get within four yards, and I think that that's as

697
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: good as I'm gonna do. I will take a four

698
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: hundred yards shop with its light wind or no wind,

699
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: and I got a good rest. All that kind of stuff. Um.

700
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: I took a three two yard shot the other day

701
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: and was it was still a good hit, a little

702
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: higher than I would have liked out much further. You know,

703
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: it could have been real bad. It wasn't where I

704
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: wasn't where I called my shot. It was within inches

705
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: of where I called my shot, maybe six inches of

706
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: where I called my shot. Eight inches could have been trouble.

707
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 1: Just do me a favor and talk about your set

708
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: up for that shot. And this was a real hunting situation,

709
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: heart thumping hunting situation. Let's just say I was already

710
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: setting up for that shot before I even I found

711
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: an animal from a long Let's say I found an

712
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: animal from eight hundred yards away, maybe identified a ridge

713
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: that what was it? It It was six something, wasn't it? Yeah? Yeah,

714
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: because we were guessing the shot was going to be

715
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: anywhere from three fifty, so it was like six when

716
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: we found him. So I found an animal six yards away.

717
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: The next ridge I thought would probably give me a

718
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: nice shot at it. It was a mule deer buck

719
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: who's kind of running the door. They looked pretty settled in.

720
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't. It wasn't like a race. I wasn't racing

721
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: the deer. It wasn't like the deer was traveling and

722
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: I was trying to race it to a meeting point.

723
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: I was already thinking about my shot the minute I

724
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: had to go across the little galie and climb up

725
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 1: the other side. And I was thinking about my shot

726
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: the minute I hit the bottom of the goalie. I

727
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,479
Speaker 1: didn't run up that hill. I went up that hill

728
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: at a very slow pace because I was gonna get

729
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: to the top of that hill, and I wasn't gonna

730
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: be winded, and I wasn't gonna be shaky from exertion.

731
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: So I was already thinking, if I get up there,

732
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna rush this. It's gonna be a long shot.

733
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do everything right. I took my time, I

734
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: stopped to keep my breaths. I wanted to hit the

735
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: top of that hill fresh. I also, on my way

736
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: up that hill, ran through my head all the things

737
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: that fella could do to screw up the situation. With

738
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: the shot and what criteria needed to be met for

739
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: me to touch that trigger because it was a buck

740
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: that I very much wanted to get. UM, and I

741
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: had set some parameters in my head, like what's what's

742
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: green and what's what's a green light? What's the red light?

743
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: When I get to the top of the hill, and

744
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: I had settled that in my mind. I wasn't leaving

745
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: it up to a moment by moment situation. Got to

746
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: the top of the hill. Um, I approached the crest

747
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: so that I had some rocks off to the side

748
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: of me to give a little contour to the hill,

749
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: and I had trees behind me to break up my outline.

750
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: I crawled up. I have a butt pad, I used.

751
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: I'm glassing. I had my butt pad out. I pushed

752
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: my backpack up ahead of me. I put my butt

753
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: pad on my back pad to help get everything pad

754
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: it out right. I moved out a half of my

755
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: hand and matted down some grass that I didn't like

756
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: being there. UM, and I got lie. I waited for

757
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: the deer to turn broadside, got lined up. I did

758
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: my little test where I'm lined up on it, and

759
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: I closed my eyes for a three count and then

760
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: opened my eyes back up and see if my cross

761
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: hairs have drifted off. That's a good one. I like that.

762
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: I can't remember who was just telling me that. I've

763
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: never heard that before in like an actual hunting situation. Yeah,

764
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: I remember this guy, and I'm trying to remember who was.

765
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: I was talking to a military shooter. Who is? It

766
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I was saw a new military shooter. Who

767
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: do use you do that to see if you're your

768
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: body's in a neutral position, you're torking it because you're,

769
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: like he said, he thinks you'll subconsciously tork to get on. Yeah.

770
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: So he closes his eyes and then opens and sees

771
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: if his thing is drifted because your body's working with

772
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: your eye and doing stuff. And he's like, for a

773
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: dead rest, it should be like, of course you can't

774
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: walk away, like in some way it's resting on you.

775
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: But if you're doing that little torque, you won't be

776
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: able to keep it up. You won't be able to

777
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 1: do it right when your eyes out on it because

778
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: you're holding it just so. So. He likes to close

779
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: open and if seats the cross air drifted. I even

780
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: did that, and could I ask about the red and

781
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: green light. I'm just curious about that. Oh just meaning,

782
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: I mean what they were? Okay, I had, I'll just

783
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: come out and say it. I had screwed up. I

784
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 1: had I missed an antalopen wyoming because I got up

785
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: to a spot where I was on the stock and

786
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: I got up in the head, in my head where

787
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: these animals were going to be and got up and

788
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: they weren't there, and like, what the hell happened? I

789
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: started thinking that misjudged where I was, I was on

790
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: the wrong hill, stood up and I was like started entertaining,

791
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: Like did I like totally misread the situation? They should

792
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: be right there? And all of a sudden antelope blows

793
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: at me and they were down below me and they

794
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: took off running and then they stopped and I didn't

795
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: I just it was two hundred fifty yards and I

796
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: didn't do my checklist and I just laid down and

797
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: like took a stupid shot and shot over an antelops

798
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: back and just hated myself for it. And when I

799
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 1: say a green light red light is like asking yourself, Okay,

800
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: what conditions need to be met here? You know, the

801
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: conditions with that buck the other day the conditions that

802
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: need to be met. As I was gonna be, I

803
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: was gonna be like, I'm either gonna do my checklist

804
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: and close my and do all that garbage, or I'm

805
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: not gonna shoot. I'll come back and try to find

806
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: the buck later. If he's gone, it's like gonna have

807
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 1: it be perfect um or he'll be fifty yards way.

808
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: And I don't worry about checklist because I could just

809
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: free handed. But the other privfect question is, like, this

810
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: is something that comes up all the time too. If

811
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: you're shoting at an angle, yeah, the only thing that

812
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: matter is the horizontal distance. If you somehow let's say

813
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: you're in a tree. Let's say you're in a tree

814
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: that's two yards. You're in the tree staying two hundred

815
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: yards off the ground, and there's a deer at the

816
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:09,320
Speaker 1: foot of the tree. You're holding for a one ft shot.

817
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: You're not holding for two shot. Horizontal distance is the

818
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: only thing that matters. That's another part of this question

819
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: that anyone had to add to that. I was always

820
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: and I was misled maybe, but like if the animals

821
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: below you, you aim high, and the same with if

822
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: the that's just you do need a picture the animal's position,

823
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 1: and what the line of travel of the bullet is

824
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: gonna be through the animal's position. You got a factor

825
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 1: that in, but you'd aim as if you were shooting

826
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: perfectly flat. You use your set, your knowledge of anatomy

827
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: to figure out where on that thing you want to

828
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: hit in order to get through where you're trying to hit.

829
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: If you're directly above an animal and you want to

830
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: hit through the lungs, you're gonna be burned a hole

831
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: down through its backbone, between its shoulder blades. If you

832
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: were somehow in some situation I can't imagine, directly underneath it,

833
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,399
Speaker 1: you're gonna be sending a bullet up, yeah, into its

834
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: stern um like whatever. You know from anatomy where you

835
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: wanted to travel through, and you know from anatomy at

836
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: what point on the outside of the animal you're trying

837
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: to place your arrow or bullet. But to get to

838
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: that point you hold only for horizontal distance. Vertical distance

839
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: doesn't matter because it's that's is how gravity affects the travel.

840
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: You want to add that, you know, I just want

841
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 1: to say that. You know, Steve goes through this checklist

842
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: and he's thinking about the shot and it's a four

843
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: hundred yard shot. Four hundred yard shot is a long shot.

844
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying it shot of four hundred yards, but I

845
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: mean it is a long shot. And there's a lot

846
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: of people talking out there right now and have been

847
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 1: for a long time about how they don't start getting

848
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: serious until they're out seven eight a thousand yards UM.

849
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: And for some reason, I find it entertaining that they

850
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: always mentioned the caliber that they're shooting, like it's some

851
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: sort of validation of being able to shoot those distances.

852
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 1: That if you aren't calculating and thinking about these mental

853
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: checklists and what has to happen, what criteria have to

854
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: be met in order for you to touch that trigger,

855
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: you should not be taking those shots, regardless of what

856
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: sort of size cannon you're packing around the world, because

857
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: you don't know. There's a couple of things. One of

858
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: the best things about long range shooting UM. One of

859
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: the best arguments against long range shooting came from a guy,

860
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: one of the guys I know who is one of

861
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 1: the most capable long range shooters at a range. Well,

862
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: he was talking about it's something you don't hear many

863
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: people discuss, is the amount of time that lapses between

864
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 1: when that ball leaves the barrel and when it arrives

865
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: at its destination yards down the line, and that amount

866
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: of time is enough time for an animal to take

867
00:48:55,560 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: a couple of steps. You cannot pull that bullet back.

868
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: You don't know what the so you got like the wind,

869
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: You might know what the wind's doing where you're at,

870
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: but hunting in the mountains are hunting an open country

871
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: around topography and other things. You don't know what the

872
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: wind is doing on its way there, and what the

873
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: winds doing at the animal. And you don't know that

874
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: that thing is not gonna step now. The bullet is

875
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: gonna get there before the sound gets there. But a

876
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 1: lot can happen in a couple of seconds. And this

877
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite subjects to talk about. And

878
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: it can go on and on and and it's it's

879
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 1: a lifetime of podcasts worth of talking about it. Because

880
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: there's the recovery. Recovery it's a lot easier a hundred

881
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: yards than it is it yards. Uh, it's a dense topic.

882
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: I don't like it. The I don't like the idea

883
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: of taking super long shots. Uh. You know a good

884
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: way to not worry about all this stuff is just

885
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: getting closer. But it is a thing, man, the thing

886
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: that it comes up all the time. And I think

887
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: you got every day you got more and more guys

888
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: who have bought a gun, and then also they think

889
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: they're Joe long Ranger, and you just there are so

890
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: many problems with thousand yards shooting about where was that thing?

891
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 1: How how able are you to walk over and show

892
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: me where that animal is standing and show me that

893
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: there is there is not any sign of a hit, hair, blood, whatever.

894
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: I need to know where it was standing. And I

895
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: can recall lots of times that I've seen shots on

896
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: animals at very close distance where that animal had almost

897
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:49,479
Speaker 1: an imperceptible reaction to a fatal hit at two hundred yards,

898
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: two fifty yards, fifty yards almost imperceptible. You could almost

899
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: not tell that that thing got touched. And if you're

900
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: telling me that you can shoot a thousand yards, and

901
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta follow up on your shots. I mean,

902
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 1: just what's pushed a lot of the super long range shooting.

903
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: His TV shows a deal long range shooting is like

904
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: popularized it and what they don't show and I know

905
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: it's from I mean, like like I work in the industry,

906
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: so I know things and talk to people, and you know,

907
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: I just know things. A lot of people don't A

908
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: big part of that stuff that they that they just

909
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: don't include. They don't include wound loss, and they don't

910
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 1: include the part where they're shooting at rocks and ship

911
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: at the same distance to try to see. Like they'll

912
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: pick a rock a couple hundred yards away from whatever

913
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: they're shooting at and have a spotter, and the spot

914
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, you're three ft high on that rock.

915
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: Conditions are such that your three ft high on that rock,

916
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 1: and then they'll move over and shoot at the animal.

917
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: At those distances, the animal can't really put it together

918
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: what's going on. And so it's like a common thing

919
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: is that takes some practice shots at stuff to try

920
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: to get honed in with a spotter on how many

921
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: m o a you need to just for and then

922
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: move over and start directing fire towards their critter. My

923
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: buddies were just hunting moose and they were camping by

924
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: these guys who were bragging up their recent cariboo hunt,

925
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: and they were shooting at some cariboo there were six

926
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: hundred yards away, and then they were halfway through shooting

927
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: into her to Caribo when they realized that there was

928
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: a guy that was three yards away from those Cariboo

929
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: putting a stock on them while they're blasting the way

930
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: at the Cariboo. Didn't notice him, didn't notice him. There's

931
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: another guy down in Arizona, and I did not have

932
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: fun in the woods. I met the people involved this.

933
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: There was a guy sneaking up on a black bear

934
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: of the bow and arrow in Arizona, and the guy

935
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: started shooting at the black bear from across the canyon

936
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: and hit the bow hunt in the belt buckle with

937
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: a rifle, almost killed the guy. I have a few

938
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: years ago, Floyd, and have know that guy alright, can

939
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: of play that was out of because I already I'm

940
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: already talking about a couple of long range pokes I took. Um.

941
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 1: I wanna switch that over to shotguns a small game

942
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: because I think the reason that we like to take

943
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: short shots or keep it within our you know discipline,

944
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: you know level with big game and our rifles, is

945
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 1: because we want to be like our personal ethics towards

946
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: the animal right to make it a clean one shot killed. Right.

947
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: Yet it seems like when we switch over to small

948
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: game and shotguns and flying birds. All of a sudden,

949
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: it's like, well, it's okay that I shot twenty times

950
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: today and I killed two birds. It's like you're missing

951
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: your wounding. Yes, we get a couple. So it does

952
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like we're is it. So you've talked about

953
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: it where you give a level of respect to respect

954
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: to big game animals that are six, seven, eight, ten,

955
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: twelve years old that have different kind of fecundity. Okay,

956
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: things that um weren't a much more limited harvest than

957
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: you do. To say, a cotton tail rabbit that's capable

958
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: of putting off twenty for babies in a year has

959
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: a life expectancy of about war months. Um yeah, yeah,

960
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: I could see that. If you were talking to an ethicist,

961
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: which is the role you're playing right now, he would say,

962
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: why does a elk warrant this great level of respect

963
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: about clean kills? You're virtually certain you're gonna make a

964
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: clean kill, whereas a quail you're like, what the hell

965
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: I am? Lam Lam Yeah, that's a good question, man.

966
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: Just bring up next thing you should send into question

967
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 1: to the needed your podcast. That's not that's you should

968
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: formally present your question because it's it's a valid question.

969
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: Here's one here I don't want to answer, but it's

970
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 1: a good question. We'll wrap it up with this question. Yeah,

971
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: that's where we're at. You got to do come more quickly.

972
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: We're at an hour. Okay, I want to do a

973
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: question I don't want to any is that including the

974
00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: uh yeah, small break that we had. All right, here's

975
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: a question I'm not gonna answer, but it's a good question.

976
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: Have we come to a point where a safari there's

977
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: an outdated form of hunting. Here's a question I do

978
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: want to answer. The meat Okay, they always start with

979
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 1: a little they they fluff you. This one starts with

980
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: a little fluff. Then he goes on to say, um,

981
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: oh no, no, it's not a fluff. The Meat Eater

982
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 1: podcast have given out great information on how to hunt

983
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: Western states as a non resident, but I was wondering

984
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: if they could address Westerners going out east for a

985
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: white tail hunt. Great question. We never talked about this

986
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: because we're because me and Yanni Calian's from Callahan. You're

987
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: from your Garretts, Montana born Callahan's Montana Borne. You tell okay,

988
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: because me and Yanni are from Michigan. Our focus is

989
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 1: on getting out here, out, getting out west and getting

990
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: after it. But let's say the other boys here, Uh,

991
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: we're warnering like, well, how do you go east and

992
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: do the kind of hunt you guys used to grow

993
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: up hunting. Um? So, for my understanding, you in some

994
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 1: states get multiple tags. Um. It takes a long time

995
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: to draw deer tag out west. Yeah, so dude out

996
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: west wants to go white tail hunt. Everbody's always talking

997
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: about how to live out east and come out west hunt.

998
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: What about a guy that wants to go out west

999
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: and go east hunt? I would say this, I'm I'm

1000
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you're not gonna you want to do it?

1001
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: Do it yourself hunt? If not, you know, we asked,

1002
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: if you're going with a guy, you don't do anything

1003
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: but make sure you got your underwearing socks packed though. Yeah,

1004
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you're right, I was. Yeah, even in you

1005
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: probably send someone to get them for you. Yeah. I

1006
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: don't know if it'll be so much to do it yourself.

1007
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: We can do it themselves. It will be more of

1008
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: a public versus private is because there's a lot less

1009
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: public land back there. Yeah. So I would say this

1010
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: as far as tags go, generally, I'm generalizing generally a

1011
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: nonresident I mean, and I mean way generally, because there's

1012
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: only a couple of stays. But this isn't true. Generally,

1013
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 1: a non resident in the Eastern US can go into

1014
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: a licensed dealer and get a general season buck tag

1015
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: or get a general season tag that would be good

1016
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: for any deer with a bow and good for a

1017
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: buck with a rifle. You could probably kill several dolls

1018
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: if you wanted to. In some states you can kill

1019
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: several bucks if you wanted to. It's generally over the

1020
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: counter hunting in the East for white til deer with

1021
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: long seasons and both seasons to start in late September

1022
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: early October, and rifle seasons that are generally run around

1023
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks in November. And one got

1024
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: a problem with that. Okay, Michigan where I grew up

1025
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: at the time I was growing up, both season started

1026
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: October one. You could hunt with your bow up till

1027
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: December thirty one. They even had some late seasons that

1028
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: were good for after that, and then you had a

1029
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: ten day rifle season, same deer tag with bow. Was

1030
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: it any deer tag with gun. It was a buck tag.

1031
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: You could also go buy one or two or more

1032
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: dough tags every year to use with your rifle or

1033
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: your bowl, so you don't need to do a whole

1034
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: lot of plane in the head, the old preference point

1035
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, except for like Kansas, the only

1036
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: Eastern states that I know of, which isn't even the East.

1037
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: Rely Yeah, well Kansas, I put in it for white

1038
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: tail points there, Like I paid twenty five dollars a

1039
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: year for a point, and then I know that I

1040
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: will also does I think to draw like the good

1041
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: you know rifle December tag and I believe it takes

1042
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: non resident about four years. Okay, but what if Garrett

1043
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: and I to use the kind of east first as

1044
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: wells to Montana Hicks wanting to go out? Yeah, I say, Garrett,

1045
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: let's do this. What do you say? They grab us

1046
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: some beer, hop on a plane and head for Wisconsin

1047
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: and try to get a couple of white tails. So, okay,

1048
00:58:55,240 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: we land in some someplace in Wisconsin, walk Milwaukee, Madison,

1049
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: We get properly stocked up on provisions, new Glaris, beer. Okay,

1050
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: we got are We're legal, We're got our tags, got

1051
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: um licenses, and how do we then go about finding

1052
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 1: a place to go? That's what I'm gonna talk about next.

1053
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: What do we have to do to be prepared? Like

1054
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: do we have to pack tree stands? So I'm gonna

1055
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: talk about next. If I was in this situation, I

1056
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: would And this is not the same advice I'd give

1057
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: to someone from the East going west, because you have

1058
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: in the East, you have a lot a lot less

1059
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: public land, and you have a lot more people vying

1060
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: for that land. You got Western states that are fifty

1061
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: sixty seventy federally owned, state owned, plenty of public land.

1062
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: They got populations that are less than more most Eastern

1063
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: US cities. Okay, there's a lot of ground to go

1064
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: around in the East. That's not the case it takes.

1065
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm generalizing. And there's guys like Chris Eberhardt has written

1066
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 1: books about do it yourself Eastern white tail Hunt and

1067
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 1: how to find public land Eastern white Tills. But he's

1068
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: an expert at and he devoted his life to it.

1069
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: Um For an Easterner to come out Western hunt, you

1070
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: just gotta have some gur, right, you gotta have a

1071
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: little bit of gir half a brain and know how

1072
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: to read a map, and you're gonna find public land

1073
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: hunting opportunities in the East. I'm sorry, And there's gonna

1074
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: be a million guys, not million, but a lot of guys.

1075
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: Canna be like, oh, that's not true. It takes a

1076
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: little bit of It takes some to have a successful hunt.

1077
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: If you gotta eek to hunt ten days to hunt,

1078
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: some local knowledge goes a long long way in even

1079
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 1: trying to crack the door on public land white tail

1080
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: hunting east of the Mississippi. It can be done, but

1081
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: it's tough. And believe me, I grew up doing it,

1082
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, but my dad had done it before. You know.

1083
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: It's like we'd like new guys. It's like, it's hard.

1084
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: It's hard to just roll in and start doing it

1085
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: unless you're a very good You're very good with maps,

1086
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: You're very resourceful. You understand the system, how to like

1087
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: identify chunks of land that other guys aren't hunting, how

1088
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: to identify chunks land that other guys might not even know.

1089
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: Our public I'll point out, we have a ton of

1090
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: information on this very thing. And the complete guy to hunting,

1091
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: butcher and cooking wild game, like how to find public

1092
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: land that people don't realize as public high the holes.

1093
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: We talked about this for a long time over dinner

1094
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: last night. Stuff like that access and walking up a

1095
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: navigable stream in order to get to a state section

1096
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: that you can't get to via road, but you can

1097
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: get to it if you stay below a high water

1098
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: mark in a river and weight up with waiters. That

1099
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: kind of sneaky stuff is good. If I was out

1100
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: west I wanted to go east deer hunt, I would

1101
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: start really just asking a lot of questions and talking

1102
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: to a lot of people and trying friends and friends

1103
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: and colleagues and family and and just kind of feeling

1104
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 1: out for a crew of guys that likes to hunt,

1105
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: and they are gonna throw you a little bit of information.

1106
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: What about two that some states in the eastern Midwest

1107
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 1: slug only like Maryland right now, And I guess you'd

1108
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: figure that out on southern half of Michigan or southern

1109
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 1: third of Michigan. It's like that. So yeah, that's just

1110
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: like that's like a legal thing you have to figure out, Like, yeah,

1111
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: you have all kinds of legal requirements you gotta figure out. Um.

1112
01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: But I think on the land thing I think that

1113
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 1: you could if you just love to hunt white tails. Well,

1114
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm kind of contradicting myself, man, because one

1115
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: time me, I was living in Montana and me and

1116
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: to my both my brothers and another body of ours

1117
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 1: went down to Alabama to hunt deer in January and

1118
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: we hunted Tuskegee National Forest for about a week. We

1119
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: all killed a buck. But my other brother was going

1120
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: to grad school at Auburn and had dabbled around in

1121
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: the area a little bit, so he had kind of

1122
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 1: done little groundward. We had seven days a hunt, but

1123
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: he already had a like a working knowledge of an area.

1124
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:39,959
Speaker 1: What you might do and this is like this gets

1125
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: in out of the realm of possibility. You might fly

1126
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 1: out if there's some way to do it, fly out

1127
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: a month before season and spend a few days figuring

1128
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 1: stuff out, or just agree that you're gonna do like

1129
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: an annual thing and get to know an area. But

1130
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: I would think the best bet would be too just

1131
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: to really pursue any leads you can through friends, family, friends, colleagues,

1132
01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: your old ladies, family, and just try to find someone

1133
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: on the ground there who can give you some up

1134
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: to date information on private land connections. Guys who are

1135
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: and there's always guys are going to get rid of here.

1136
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: But they don't want to just open up the gates

1137
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: and let a bunch of you who's in there with guns.

1138
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: They're trying to be a little bit you know, smart

1139
01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 1: about who's on their property. Work. Those are working from

1140
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: a guy who would be like, yeah, man, you know,

1141
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: I'll help you out and maybe someday you'll help me

1142
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 1: out and I come out to hunt your place. I

1143
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: think to remember about Eastern White Tales is that you

1144
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: don't need huge chunks of land to have a successful hunt.

1145
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: Um My dad's got somebody that has I think ten

1146
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: or twelve acres in southern Indiana and he kills the

1147
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: deer on it every year. You know. Yeah, but no,

1148
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 1: but he didn't just fly in from out of town

1149
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 1: and find it. No, no, no no. But my point is

1150
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: is that like, yeah, so he's he has the knowledge

1151
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: you know that those ten acres, you know, produce a deer.

1152
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: My point is that there's a lot of um private

1153
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: land back east that can uh for. I feel like

1154
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:18,800
Speaker 1: leases in trespass fees sound like this huge amount of

1155
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: money always where sometimes maybe just access forty or eighty acres.

1156
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: It could be plenty in you know ground to hunt

1157
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: some white tails. You might really get into that for

1158
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: a couple hundred bucks. You know, if you're already gonna

1159
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: spend a couple of hundred on your tag, it's like

1160
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: kicked down a couple of hundred bucks. And a lot

1161
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: of times that comes with some lodging. You might be

1162
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: able to staying a little cabin and have eighty acres

1163
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: of private land hunt for a couple hundred dollars. So

1164
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 1: I would say, though a couple of dudes from Montana

1165
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: cover art pro mun Foods think it'd be more This

1166
01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 1: is the bold statement. I think it'd be more daunting

1167
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: for a guy born raised let's say, in Montana. Lit't

1168
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: say because we're an idhole guy born raised in Idaho.

1169
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: If he said, I got seven days, I'm gonna go

1170
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: out on a d I Y do it yourself whitetail

1171
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: hunt in Illinois public land, never been there before, and

1172
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: get a buck. Meanwhile, a guy in Illinois said I'm

1173
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: gonna go out to Idaho d I Y public land

1174
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: and get a buck. I bet my money on the

1175
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: guy standing in Illinois who's going to Idaho rather than

1176
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: the guy in Idaho going to Illinois. I would put

1177
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 1: my money on him, all other things being equal, all

1178
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: other things being equal, and I said, like, who's gonna

1179
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: get the buck? I'd be like, the guy going to

1180
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: Idaho is gonna get the bucks. He's got a lot

1181
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: of land that you can just go in access right now. Yeah,

1182
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: seven days of walking, you're but but you're gonna go

1183
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: to Illinois and you go there to day before and like, man,

1184
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: there's dear all over this little state game management area

1185
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: along this creek that's a hundred acres. And then he

1186
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: comes back on open Danner's fourteen trucks in the parking lot. Yeah,

1187
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, every where he goes, there's some guys shine

1188
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: in a flashlight that and be like, hey, I'm over here, man,

1189
01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm over here. I've heard that story so many times. Well,

1190
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: just like I mean, I see somebody parked at a

1191
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 1: trailhead here, Well, better go to the next trailhead. Yeah,

1192
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: even though I'm not I'm not gonna hunt around some

1193
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: dickhead in the woods. I'll go to the next trailhead.

1194
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 1: All right, One last question, have you ever hunted Roosevelt Elp? Nope,

1195
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: all right, we need to find Oh I forgot one thing.

1196
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: Uh y give us an update on on Hunt Eat

1197
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,919
Speaker 1: T shirts. Oh man. Now you can go to hunt

1198
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: eat dot com and buy a Wisconsin Hunt Eat T shirt.

1199
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: You can buy an Alaska Hunt Eat T shirt Idaho? Now, yeah, no, cal,

1200
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: it's a weird looking state. It's hard to make a

1201
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: shirt with state down there. Um hunty? Oh can did

1202
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: I let the cat out of the bag. I've always

1203
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:17,560
Speaker 1: maintained that I have no connection to hunt eating. I

1204
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: don't except that I'm friends with Yanni. Um, he doesn't

1205
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 1: give me anything once time asked the time a couple

1206
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,360
Speaker 1: of flies for yellow Perch never even tied him. So

1207
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: it's like it's like the opposite of meat own Yanni

1208
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: a favor. So I don't want to think I'm plugging

1209
01:08:31,479 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 1: Yanni's T shirts for personal game because he won't even

1210
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: time me. Like the stupidest look of fly on the planet.

1211
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 1: He won't even tie it for me. Um, just a

1212
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 1: little bucktail on the red little head on it. Uh So, yeah,

1213
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: I have nothing to gain. But Yanni is working on

1214
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: a meat Eater or hunt Eat T shirt and more

1215
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 1: than likely by the time you listen to this podcast.

1216
01:08:54,360 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 1: Those will be at the Meat Eater Emerged store. Yes, right,

1217
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 1: Like a little cartoon bubble coming out of Moose's mouth

1218
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:10,680
Speaker 1: says hunt Eat that he's gonna call. He's gonna hang

1219
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: up and call the designer, be like, hold stop, get

1220
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: a little speed bumpers. Got it? Um? What all states

1221
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 1: you got, Hunty? Colorado, Montana, Wisconsin, Alaska, Texas. Then we

1222
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 1: have a couple of generic hunt Eat. Yeah, so it

1223
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what we're staying. But I want to point

1224
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: out that it seems to be slightly randomized what states

1225
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: you decided to do and not. Is there right? We

1226
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: put a lot of thought into what states we're deciding

1227
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: to do. Well, you haven't done the states with the

1228
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: most licensed hunters. No, we haven't, but we've thought about that.

1229
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: But we've been doing the like most requests, and we

1230
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: look at where where are you know traffic comes from? Oh,

1231
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: so you're being scientific about it a little bit. You're

1232
01:09:55,400 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 1: being a number to give me a second to do

1233
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 1: my Hunt to Eat pitch on this. Well, you always

1234
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: asked me to and I never really have it. Your

1235
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 1: concluding thought, you're a lot of concluding thought. Your concluding

1236
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,919
Speaker 1: thought could be your pitch already use mine. My concluding

1237
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: thought was your T shirts. So you're concluding thought, can

1238
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 1: continue mine and do your pitch. I get to go now, Yeah, yeah,

1239
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: thank you. Um, if you haven't gone on the website yet,

1240
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: hunt to Eat spawned from us just wanting to make

1241
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: some cool hunting T shirts because we just like I

1242
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 1: was sick of going to Cabela's and Sportsman's Warehouse and

1243
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: just being like, man, I'm a hunter and I want

1244
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: to wear some hunting T shirts, but there's just nothing

1245
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: in this store that I want to wear, you know,

1246
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: And I had a lot of friends or like the

1247
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 1: happiness is a gut pile T shirt? Yeah exactly, It's

1248
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 1: not my thing. So as kind of an answer to that,

1249
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: we felt like there's this white space, were like, let's

1250
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: make some hunting T shirt that's just a little bit hipper.

1251
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: And what I want to get to is, I say

1252
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: we and that's be because it's my brother and I

1253
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: that do this Matting who a lot of times with

1254
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: us here on meta or shoots, but he puts a

1255
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: lot of effort into this. So um, maybe going forward,

1256
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: you can say go ahead and give you a pitch

1257
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 1: for your you and your brother's T shirt company. Let

1258
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:24,639
Speaker 1: me get this straight. You're more worried about giving credit

1259
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 1: out where credit is due than just selling the T shirts.

1260
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: That's noble. That's a good man right there, that's a

1261
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: good man. I have kind of thought was going that

1262
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 1: was getting ready to each other. That rounds about till

1263
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 1: the one of the first conversations. I've been sitting here

1264
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 1: smelling mule here very strongly, and you know I don't.

1265
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: I always kind of get a little dirty on my

1266
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:55,759
Speaker 1: on my pants, in particular when uh um Field dressing

1267
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: a mule deer. But it just dawned on me that

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Speaker 1: possibly why that mule your smell is so strong is

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Speaker 1: that I dressed basically dressed the mule deer up in

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Speaker 1: the T shirt that I'm wearing. Now, do you have

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Speaker 1: the T shirt back on? Yeah? Black where his black

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Speaker 1: beart repellent right now? So the black bear took the

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Speaker 1: shirt off, the deer got it back on. I didn't

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Speaker 1: bring that many shirts, so yes, I'm wearing one of

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Speaker 1: your shirts. Yeah, and I gave Garrett the shirt. We

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Speaker 1: share T shirts. You got any concluding thoughts? We're backpacked

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Speaker 1: and we're all Chuly one what's going on in first light, Kelly?

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Speaker 1: So many things. We've got all sorts of people in

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Speaker 1: there these days, and it's fun. Products are getting better

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Speaker 1: and new stuff even cooler than before. And I was

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Speaker 1: in there. Can I say something about something a new

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Speaker 1: project I saw is it's probably hush hush. I just

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Speaker 1: saw some really cool looking stuff in there. I won't

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Speaker 1: say no, go for it. That new battle Clauva. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: the new min it's new mats are cool. But you

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Speaker 1: guys are using like a what do they call that,

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Speaker 1: like a high pile fleece that's actually wool. That's woolen there. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's super soft. Same stuff that's inside, same

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Speaker 1: stuff at the inside. The mints there we took two BC.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's wool in there. Yeah really yeah, that's why

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Speaker 1: it kind of balls up a little bit. I like

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Speaker 1: telling you, if you're called by the Hunter, you can

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Speaker 1: be stoked. Adam. Concluding thoughts, um, I don't know. This

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Speaker 1: has been quite an interesting trip with you all. So

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Speaker 1: it's been fun. You can come back if you guys

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Speaker 1: have me for sure, let's talk about it. Yeah you

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Speaker 1: didn't complain, no, no, And I I ran around with Calahands,

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Speaker 1: so I had plenty to complain about. I've never heard

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Speaker 1: that so succinctly put before Garrett, some of the best

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Speaker 1: country to be sweaty and hurt knees and hiking in.

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Speaker 1: You can see a lot. It's been a cool, cool trip.

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Speaker 1: But I mean concluding thoughts about right then, right now,

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Speaker 1: like any concluding thoughts based on the the podcast. Keep

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Speaker 1: those questions coming, folks, All right, um, yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: meet your podcast. Tune in next time. It's going to

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Speaker 1: send your questions. Go to uh the meat Eater dot

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Speaker 1: com and put in questions, or go to h you

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Speaker 1: go to Facebook, look up mediata on Facebook. You post

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Speaker 1: questions there and I'll get putting the right thing and

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Speaker 1: coming up. We're gonna start doing a question of the

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Speaker 1: Question of the Day deal and answer questions every day,

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Speaker 1: So answer three and sixty five questions a year. Yanni

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Speaker 1: thinks we gotta send everyone who gets a question picked

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Speaker 1: a T shirt. But that's a hell of a lot

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Speaker 1: of T shirts to be mailing around. Um, we'll see

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Speaker 1: you might do that, all right, take care