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Speaker 1: It's now officially open.

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Speaker 2: This is Draft Season, presented by Moody's, a proud sponsor

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Speaker 2: to the New York Giants. I am John Schmilck, as always,

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Speaker 2: Tony Pauline, my coast is with us, and we welcome

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Speaker 2: in Ryan Wilson front of the program, who does a

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Speaker 2: great job covering the draft for CBS.

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Speaker 1: Ryan good to talk to man.

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Speaker 3: How are you hey, guys? Good to good to see again, John,

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Speaker 3: Good to meet you, Tony. It's funny you call it

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Speaker 3: draft season, John. I checked my calendar, so November eleventh.

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Speaker 3: I guess if you're a Giants fan, given the way

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Speaker 3: the week went, it's never too early to look ahead.

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Speaker 2: Well, luckily, we do the show all around, Tony, so

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Speaker 2: every season is technically Draft season, you know how. That's

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Speaker 2: how that works around here, absolutely right. So we're gonna

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Speaker 2: have a part two of our Rises and Sliders.

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Speaker 1: Folks.

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Speaker 2: Last week, if you didn't tune in, we did offense

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Speaker 2: last week. Tony and I had that great conversation. We

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Speaker 2: were joined by Chad Ryder from NFL dot Com to

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Speaker 2: do that, and Ryan will join us and do that

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Speaker 2: today on the defensive side of the ball. But let's

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Speaker 2: start with a review of last week in college football,

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Speaker 2: and Tony, you want the start with Indiana and Penn State.

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Speaker 2: Probably a little bit closer than Kurtz Signetti would have wanted,

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Speaker 2: but they managed to pull it out with some late

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Speaker 1: We've talked about a lot on the show.

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Speaker 4: First of all, it was a great game. I mean,

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Speaker 4: if you watch that game, it wasn't even edgy for

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Speaker 4: your seat. I mean, I had no rooting interest in

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Speaker 4: the last two minutes. I was up on my feet pacing.

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Speaker 4: That's how good of a game it was. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it was an old fashioned game. Penn State went for broke.

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Speaker 4: And you know that this was Penn State, with all

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Speaker 4: the disappointment they've had the season. This was their bowl game,

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Speaker 4: this was their national championship to try and knock Indiana

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Speaker 4: from the perch of the unbeaten. And you know Fernando Mendoza.

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Speaker 4: The stats weren't great, he didn't carry any team, but

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Speaker 4: in my opinion, this was his most NFL type of performance.

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Speaker 4: His offensive line was banged up, our Penn State was

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Speaker 4: sending some five sometimes six guys, or they put six

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Speaker 4: guys on a lot of scrimmage and then dropped some

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Speaker 4: guys off into coverage to disguise their blitzes. And he

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Speaker 4: was getting beaten up because, like I said, the Indiana

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Speaker 4: offensive line was struggling with injuries. But he stood in

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Speaker 4: there and he made play after play after play. He

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Speaker 4: was smart. Even that one interception, it wasn't really a

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Speaker 4: bad throw in my opinion, it was more of a

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Speaker 4: better play by the Penn State defensive back. But again,

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Speaker 4: I mean, especially that last drive, it looked like, starting

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Speaker 4: in the middle of the third quarter on Penn State

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Speaker 4: won the line of scrimmage and it looked like Indiana

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Speaker 4: was doomed. But Mendoza found the way to you to

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Speaker 4: bring that team who's your team back, scored the winning touchdown.

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Speaker 4: Didn't have Elijah Sarrat, not his big play receiver, but

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Speaker 4: his most dependable possession receiver. And what happens. Charlie Barker,

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Speaker 4: guy unknown comes in has seven career catches in college

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Speaker 4: seven passes for one hundred and eighteen yards. I mean

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Speaker 4: it was. If Mendoza can keep this momentum going, he

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Speaker 4: may justify the fact that if he enters the draft,

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Speaker 4: he's going to be a top of five pick. Because again,

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Speaker 4: in my opinion, this was his most NFL type of performance,

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Speaker 4: even though the numbers weren't that great.

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Speaker 1: Ryan, what do you think of Mendoza and what do

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Speaker 1: you think about his performance?

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Speaker 3: I like Mendoz a lot, and I liked him the

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Speaker 3: summer a lot, and I wanted to see what the

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Speaker 3: transition looked like coming from cal and to Tony's point.

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Speaker 3: A couple of quarterbacks made some big time throws, because

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Speaker 3: a lot of times you can go through the course

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Speaker 3: of a game and see some things that maybe give

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Speaker 3: you pause even though you still liked the player. But

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Speaker 3: Dante Moore made a big throw down down the stretch

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Speaker 3: to get that win at Oregon as well in some

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Speaker 3: rainy conditions. And then Mendoza in that game that we're

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Speaker 3: talking about at Penn State. Yeah, the IEWA game. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: That throw at the end.

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Speaker 3: Shout out to Omar Cooper Junior for making a play

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Speaker 1: That is what a job getting his foot in. Oh

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Speaker 1: my goodness, that is a big boy play.

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Speaker 3: I saw it live, and I like to think that

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Speaker 1: No elijahs Hrott.

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Speaker 3: So you don't have your number one go to guy

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Speaker 3: in possession situations. And the other thing when you go

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Speaker 3: sort of squint to see next level plays. There was

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Speaker 3: no squinting involved in that last drive for Mendoza. It's like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: this guy can handle it. I knew you could handle

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Speaker 3: playing behind a bad offensive line, buts that's what he

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Speaker 3: did at Cal And if you're gonna get drafted top five,

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Speaker 3: you're probably gonna go to a bad team. So thumbs

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Speaker 3: up from me on his performance. I had little concerns

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Speaker 3: say this, I'm sort of interested in what you guys think.

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Speaker 3: I was just talking to a couple buddies about Mendoza

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Speaker 3: is a kind of a goofy kid. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if we're in the process in the stretch of history

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Speaker 3: where a lot of people eighteen to twenty three goopy

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Speaker 3: at this point, maybe doesn't matter. He doesn't come across

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Speaker 3: as Joe Burrow, for example. It comes across more as

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Speaker 3: but I'm just putting out there because he is more happy,

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Speaker 3: lucky labrador achiever that he is, say German Shepherd.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it'll have if he enters a draft,

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Speaker 4: then I think that's a big if. We'll have to

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Speaker 4: see what happens during those interviews, because you know, if

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Speaker 4: that could hurt him. Especially if a guy like Ty

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Speaker 4: I think it'll be a wait and see towards sort

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Speaker 4: a good point. You know, you want your quarterback to

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Speaker 4: basically be a CEO type, you know, not a guy

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Speaker 4: who's you know, playing hopscotch and having a good time

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Speaker 1: They playing a hopscotch toty.

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Speaker 2: I like something that's pretty good no, I think I

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Speaker 2: think that's a propos Tody, who else of this game

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Speaker 2: kind of jumped out you. I know you're you're still

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Speaker 2: three tag Zan Durant, Well, I don't know that.

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Speaker 4: I'm a big fan, but I think finally we saw

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Speaker 4: what we saw a lot from some of the Penn

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Speaker 4: we expected from week one. You know that we expect

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Speaker 4: against the Oregon and I think Zaane Durant, you know,

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Speaker 4: he's a one, one gap type of defensive tackle. He's

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Speaker 4: he was relentless on Saturday. Three tackles, one tackle for

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Speaker 4: the lost one sack, but he's constantly behind the wana scrimmage,

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Speaker 4: pursuit to make plays in space. I think what we

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Speaker 4: I think he's more Day two type of a second

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Speaker 4: that he's got size limitations and he's really been limited

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Speaker 4: this year like a lot of those other players. But

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Speaker 4: he kind of broke out last year, last week against

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Speaker 4: it seemed to me like Penn State was going for Broke.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this was their ball game. If they make

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Speaker 4: think it won forbrook And we saw things from Zane

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Speaker 4: Durant that we expected to see from him since the

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Speaker 2: Ryan, your thoughts on Durant and anyone else from this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't actually got a chance to watch Durant

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Speaker 3: do want to mention is Zachi Wheeley, the safety. They

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Speaker 3: is a ton of fun. He's verified six two and

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Speaker 3: coming down hill against the run. He is good in space.

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Speaker 3: He could play too high safety. Look if that's what

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Speaker 3: can play in the slot. He was in coverage on

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Speaker 3: that Omar Cooper junior touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Covers couldn't have been any better.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes, as dickla bo to say, sometimes you get the bear,

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Speaker 3: sometimes the bear gets you.

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Speaker 1: The bear got him on that one.

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Speaker 3: But through no fault of his own, He's played at

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Speaker 3: a pretty high level this season. I've been impressed with him.

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Speaker 1: He feels like a Day two pick to me.

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Speaker 3: We'll see as we get through the process, but he's

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Speaker 3: been a bright spot on that defense. You know, Tony

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Speaker 2: All right, let's jump to the SEC here, Tony Texas

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Speaker 2: A and M Missouri, and you want to start with

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Speaker 2: the pass rusher but also a wide receiver as Texas

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Speaker 2: A and M continues to kind of make their case

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Speaker 2: but maybe the best team in the country.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the big match up here. From an NFL

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Speaker 4: prospect point of view, there were a couple of them,

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Speaker 4: but as far as I was concerned, was Cashus Howel

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Speaker 4: the edge rusher, from Texas A and M versus Kayden Green,

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Speaker 4: the left, tacky tackle from Missouri who seems to be

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Speaker 4: everyone's favorite offensive lineman these days. And it wasn't even

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Speaker 4: a competition. I mean, cashus Howell just shows he's a

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Speaker 4: terrific pass rusher. He's very athletic, he can stand up

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Speaker 4: over tackle. He could rush the edge out of a

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Speaker 4: and quickness. Easily changed the direction. I think watching this game,

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Speaker 4: one thing is for certain. There's no way Cayden's Green

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Speaker 4: it's going to be a left tackle in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Most of us thought he's going to push inside the guard.

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Speaker 4: I think this game affirmed the fact that you know

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Speaker 4: he is an interior offensive lineman, especially the way Howl

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Speaker 4: one thing I don't like about Green, I'd be interested

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Speaker 4: to see if Ryan thinks the same if he's watched him.

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Speaker 4: Plays very tall, He's not a knee bend. He doesn't

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Speaker 4: of concerns me because he gets his pads way too

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Speaker 4: I think with Ni Mayer, it's just that he doesn't

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Speaker 1: Tony, I'll let you go.

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Speaker 2: You go through the list first, then Ryan you can

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Speaker 2: your own, and we'll go position by group by position group. Here, Tony,

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Speaker 2: let's start with your interior defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: What do you got?

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Speaker 4: I mean, three guys that really weren't talked about before

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Speaker 4: Someone I've mentioned on this show before. Anthony Smith of

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Speaker 4: in Minnesota's three man line. Eleven and a half tackles lost,

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Speaker 4: It's tough to stop on the inside. Love for his

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Speaker 3: Ryan go Ahead. It helps to have r Roll Reese

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Speaker 1: Doing is saying. I start with Kate McDonald.

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Speaker 3: He might be one of the best, if not the

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Speaker 1: A Maury Washington was interesting. He is a true junior.

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Speaker 3: Almost unlimited with him. But the athleticism is so freakish

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Speaker 3: I think we sleep on the fact that Jamary Callwell

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be a situation where you're having that conversation

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Speaker 2: Any players not on Tony's less Ryan that have caught

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Speaker 1: On the defensive tackle front.

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Speaker 3: I think Sonny Sonny styles is. I watched him over

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Speaker 1: Just anyone on the defensive line.

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Speaker 3: Let's see what we got here. When you're old, you

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Speaker 1: Trust me, I feel you.

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Speaker 3: I have a guy that I bare Alexander next to

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Speaker 3: Amari has been a fun watch.

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Speaker 3: though they're not solely responsible for what's going on. But

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Speaker 3: I'll get to my other guy in a second. Dominic

435
00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,119
Speaker 3: Orange is a guy that ha's got a lot of

436
00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,480
Speaker 3: pub I like him, I don't love him. I don't

437
00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,080
Speaker 3: know if I would take him on Day two right now,

438
00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,200
Speaker 3: but I know people like him perhaps in the first

439
00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,400
Speaker 3: round when you look around the media landscape. But I'm

440
00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,440
Speaker 3: not quite there yet, all right, totally haven't.

441
00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,359
Speaker 4: I mean, Dom Orange of Iowa State is the exact

442
00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,640
Speaker 4: opposite of Saint Durant. Sain Durance is your one gap

443
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,760
Speaker 4: from Penn State, who we talked about before. He's your

444
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,280
Speaker 4: one gap, three technique tackle, where Dom Orange is basically

445
00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,920
Speaker 4: your zero tech technique nose tackle. So he's not gonna

446
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,120
Speaker 4: make a lot of plays, but he's going to occupy

447
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,439
Speaker 4: the guys on the inside and allow his teammates to

448
00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 4: make plays. Two guys at the defensive tackle position who

449
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,639
Speaker 4: I think have slid down boards. You know you mentioned

450
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,480
Speaker 4: Peter Woods in the disappointment of Clemson. I'm gonna go

451
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,840
Speaker 4: with his teammate ma demonte k Park. And this is

452
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,240
Speaker 4: really a two year slot because coming into the twenty

453
00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,639
Speaker 4: twenty four season, Kate Park, who is a big, powerful guy,

454
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 4: was graded as a potential late day two pick early

455
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,919
Speaker 4: fourth round selection by NFL scouts. He was nowhere to

456
00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,280
Speaker 4: be found. Last year he made the right decision to

457
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,400
Speaker 4: come back and playing another year at Clemson, and he's

458
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 4: been slightly better. So you're talking about a guy in

459
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Speaker 4: kpe Park who entering the twenty twenty four season a

460
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,080
Speaker 4: potential top one hundred pick. Now you're looking at he's

461
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,920
Speaker 4: basically holding on to be a very late round selection.

462
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,879
Speaker 4: Team's gonna like his size, like his power. You know,

463
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 4: if he gets a real loot in the rear end,

464
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 4: maybe he'd get to that point where scouts thought he

465
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 4: should be. And you know you talked about Dom Orange

466
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 4: getting some first round love. Outside, I see a lot

467
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 4: of people who love Kristen Miller of Georgia. I like Miller.

468
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 4: I just he plays in spurts. I mean, he's We've

469
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 4: seen this come out of Georgia before you get those

470
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 4: big interior guys who were so much bigger, so much

471
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 4: more powerful than everyone else, and then they'll make one

472
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 4: or two plays and they disappear for a lengths at

473
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Speaker 4: a time. And that's what I see for Miller. I

474
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 4: think he should be a much a much better and

475
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,719
Speaker 4: much more productive player than he is.

476
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,639
Speaker 2: Try to remember who was the nose tackle out of

477
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 2: Georgia last year, the really big guy that came out.

478
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Speaker 1: He was a prospect. Yeah, it was a prospect for

479
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Speaker 1: a couple of years.

480
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Speaker 2: I forget his name, but he's one of those guys

481
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Speaker 2: I think Toldy that you're kind of talking about.

482
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Speaker 3: There, go ahead, Ryan, Yeah, I agree on on Miller

483
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 3: in general, and sometimes, you know, we have conversations about

484
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,840
Speaker 3: is the quarterback a function of the offense? Mac Jones

485
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,240
Speaker 3: at Alabama with all those receivers. That's also the case

486
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 3: with Georgia defenders. Every single year you have to sort

487
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,320
Speaker 3: of figure out how much of that is team teammates

488
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,439
Speaker 3: doing the heavy lifting or how much is that you

489
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 3: doing your thing? And talking about guys that are you know,

490
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 3: not even built in lab because he wouldn't fit in

491
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,400
Speaker 3: the lab and having quite mad expectations. I was intrigued

492
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 3: by Xavid Harris, the enormous old miss defitsive lineman he's

493
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 3: verified six seven three thirty and the first thing that

494
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 3: came to my mind was, Okay, is this gonna be

495
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 3: a Deon Walker Kentucky situation or something completely different? And

496
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 3: it turns out something completely different. Dion Walker has first

497
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 3: round talent. He had a back injury last year, and

498
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 3: he's actually played pretty well in spurts for the Buffalo

499
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Speaker 3: Bills as a Day three pick. Xamin Harris, I don't

500
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 3: know if it would be possible for him to play

501
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 3: higher than he plays at six seven three point thirty.

502
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 3: He could be ragged alling offensive lineman and it's just

503
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 3: he's not put it together yet. And I don't know

504
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 3: if you will. But the measurables are so insane when

505
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 3: you see him in the huddle standing next to the

506
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 3: other guys who are six or five and making them

507
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 3: look like they're you know, school kids, but that it

508
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 3: just hasn't come together in the field for him. And

509
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 3: again it'll be a situation where I'm sure defenive blind

510
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 3: coaches thinks they can get the most out of them.

511
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 3: I just don't know when you're this far down the

512
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 3: road and you don't play with low pads if that

513
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 3: can suddenly change. But man, he he has some reps

514
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 3: where you're like, Okay, this guy can take over games.

515
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 3: It's just you see it about once or twice a

516
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 3: game instead of seeing it once or twice a series.

517
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Speaker 2: All right, Tony, let's uh he right. Already mentioned a

518
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: couple inside linebackers. Why don't we go there next? And

519
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 2: then we'll hit edge after that. So why don't we

520
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: go to off ball linebackers. You guys both have Sonny

521
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 2: styles on your risers. Let's what else do you have

522
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 2: in that mix?

523
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 4: Well, obviously Alvra reached. Who's really kicking his game to

524
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 4: the next level line I mean, we knew he was

525
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 4: a good space linebacker, off ball linebacker a year ago.

526
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 4: The blitzing ability he's shown, the ability to rush the

527
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 4: passer off the edge and create mayhem. I mean, he's

528
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 4: displayed himself to be a complete three down linebacker in

529
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 4: all facets of the position. Is going to be a

530
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,959
Speaker 4: very early pick. Looks like he's NFL ready, you know,

531
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 4: not just the playmaking, not just the athleticism, but the smarts,

532
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 4: the instincts. He plays discipline football as well as productive football.

533
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 4: Ryan talked about Sonny styles. Listen, I'm gonna go I'm

534
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 4: gonna go out on a cliff on this one until

535
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 4: Draft Day or until somebody tells me otherwise. I still

536
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 4: love Howard Perkins. I mean forty three tackles for pass defenses.

537
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 4: I know he's a little bit dundersized, but coming back

538
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 4: from an injury last year, he looks like he hasn't

539
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 4: missed a beat since freshman season, where he was all world.

540
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 4: He's crazy, He's explosive in any direction. He's great in pursuit.

541
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 4: He can get depth on his pass drops. You know

542
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 4: he can rush the passer, although that may be a

543
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 4: problem to the next level due to his size. He's

544
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 4: gonna have to do it on on the skis blitzes

545
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 4: on occasion. But I mean, this guy would Everybody loved

546
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 4: this guy as a freshman. He got injured in twenty

547
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 4: twenty four. It seems people have fallen off. I don't

548
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 4: know why, because you watch the film at number sevens

549
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 4: all over the place. Caleb elms Or we talked about

550
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 4: to him with the Mike Renner a couple of weeks ago.

551
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 4: Here's a guy who came into the season with a

552
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 4: prior a free agent grade from NFL scouts. He's playing

553
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 4: lights out ninety two tackles with three games left this season.

554
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 4: You're a pure off ball linebacker. He's not a big guy.

555
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 4: He's a pursuit linebacker who goes sideline to sideline, flies

556
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 4: to the action, constantly around the ball, making positive plays.

557
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 4: I mean, you're looking at a guy coming into the

558
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 4: season great as a free agent. He's probably now in

559
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 4: the fourth fifth round area, could go even higher depending

560
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 4: on how he works out. Daniel Wingate, a guy from Maryland,

561
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 4: not a lot of people talk about. Again, another pursuit linebacker.

562
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 4: He's a little bit bigger. He goes about six three,

563
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 4: two hundred and thirty pounds. He's fast moving in every direction.

564
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 4: Eighty three tackles this season. And finally, Aiden Fisher of

565
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 4: Indiana struggling with a knee injury now, but if you

566
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 4: saw last week against Penn State, he's still making a

567
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 4: lot of plays. I mean, a guy who on third

568
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 4: and five can play in space and coverage, can run

569
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 4: down the wall handler and backside pursuit and stats well

570
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 4: against the run on the short yardages. But Aiden Fisher

571
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 4: of Indiana I think has really helped himself. Has called

572
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 4: from a potential late round pick, probably into the middle

573
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 4: part of Day three, if not earlier.

574
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Speaker 3: It feels like we're coming around on these off ball

575
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 3: linebackers because they've been undervalued as Day two picks historically

576
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 3: last time on five, six, seven years and it feels

577
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 3: like if you get good players in good position to

578
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: to o kay to take him in the first round.

579
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 3: Same thing with center to.

580
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: A degree, and this is sort of a layout.

581
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 3: But I was excited to go back and watch him play,

582
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 3: and he's playing better than he did last season. C

583
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 3: J Allen, Georgia. He gets after it. He can do

584
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 3: everything you wanted to do. He can come downhill, he

585
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 3: can play in space, He's not gonna miss tackles. I

586
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 3: think he has a chance to be a first round pick.

587
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: Jayshaun Barham out of Michigan. I absolutely love he is

588
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 3: a hair on fire guy as well. Played off ball.

589
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 3: Not even move him to edge because they need him there.

590
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 3: He's incredibly disruptive. He's not six five, two fifty, but

591
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 3: he doesn't know that. He plays like he's, you know,

592
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 3: sixty five two sixty five. I love the motor which

593
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: he plays. I did want to ask you guys something

594
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: talking about rvil Reese and the versatility he brings because

595
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 3: he can play off the edge, he can play off ball,

596
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 3: can play in the slot. If you want him to

597
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 3: compare him and I might have this conversation with myself.

598
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 3: I haven't answered myself yet. Him and Jalen Walker from

599
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: last year do a lot of the similar things.

600
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: I think I'm leaning towards.

601
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,719
Speaker 3: Rvell as the better football player coming out.

602
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm there yet.

603
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: Well, I think especially since Reese is the better body, right,

604
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 2: I mean, he's just longer, he's broad, he can't I

605
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 2: think he can survive on the edge, Tony, and I'm

606
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 2: sorry for jumping on you there, but I think he

607
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: just has the physical traits that jump out more as

608
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 2: an edge player than Walker, combined with just his abilities

609
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: of foot player.

610
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 4: Right, he's bigger, he's taller, which means he's got more

611
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 4: growth potential. I mean Jellen Walker was what six one

612
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 4: and a half, So he's only he's he only has

613
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 4: limited He's got limited growth potential. He's not gonna be

614
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 4: able to put on a much weight and basically keep

615
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 4: that speed quickness, where I think Reese is has got

616
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 4: the body to get bigger. I mean, I like guys

617
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 4: I lean towards guys that show the ability to play

618
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 4: in space and then develop their pass rush moves, because

619
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 4: I think it's much easier to make plays moving forwards

620
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 4: than in reverse. Walker did that to an extent last year.

621
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 4: Reese has really done it to an extent, really taken

622
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 4: to a next level this year.

623
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 2: Well, Ryan, I want to throw the question back at

624
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 2: yous Daan Brugo just released his top fifty. He had

625
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: Reese as a number one player, So I think the

626
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 2: question would be, do you think the team will just

627
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: convert him to a straight up edge like Parsons eventually?

628
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: He remember Parson's the first part of that first year

629
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 2: in Dallas, he actually played off ball linebacker for them.

630
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 2: He wasn't an edge player. They eventually moved there when

631
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: a couple guys got hurt.

632
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: How do you think Reesa is going to.

633
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: Be drafted as a linebacker that could do both or

634
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: is the team just gonna say no. I like him

635
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: as an edge player that's gonna rush the passer, that's

636
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: all I'm gonna draft him.

637
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be drafted.

638
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter Kama athlete because what they do with Mica

639
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 3: now is put Mike over the center and third down,

640
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: it just let him recavoc inside. So I mean, you're

641
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 3: not gonna limit Rvel And I think we did a

642
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 3: mock draft last week, I think on the show, and

643
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 3: I think I had r Bill going fifth or sixth

644
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: to the Titans or whatever they traded down at the moment,

645
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 3: So that that feels right to me taking him that

646
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 3: high because of the versatility the growth he's made. He's

647
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 3: still a young player, and I don't think you cap

648
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 3: him on where you play him.

649
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: You play him if he's best.

650
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: Playing free safety, you put him in free safety and

651
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: say get after it, Tony.

652
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 4: I know if we could play free safety, but I'm

653
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 4: sure he could play strump safety and come to the

654
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 4: tight ends and running back, so for you know, twenty

655
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 4: yards downfield.

656
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: All right, Tony, who are some of your guys?

657
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: And this is a short list because this is one

658
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: of the few good like off ball linebacker drafts we've

659
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: had in like ten years. I feel like not many

660
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: guys on your sliders listed inside linebacker.

661
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be a recurring theme as it was

662
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 4: last week when we talked on the offense win with

663
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 4: Dad as a clems and I mean, here's a guy

664
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 4: who a year ago I absolutely loved him. Eighty six tackles,

665
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 4: ten tackles for the lost, six pass defenses, all over

666
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 4: the field, making positive plays. He's not going to come

667
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 4: close to those numbers this year. Like many of his

668
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 4: teammates on clumbson on both sides of the ball, he's

669
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 4: been very disappointing. He came into the season from Scouts

670
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 4: with late round grades. I liked him more. I liked

671
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 4: him as a middle round choice. But Scouts's gonna be

672
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 4: proven to be right because I mean, he's not playing

673
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 4: like a middle round choice this year. He's played like

674
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 4: the late rounder that they expected him to be.

675
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 3: I'll mention Jake Golde out of Sensei. I like him,

676
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 3: I do have some concerns about his ability to change direction.

677
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: He's a little stiff at times in space. It's not

678
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 3: the end of the world. He's going to be a

679
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: good player the next level. He's a nuts rusher who

680
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: transferred to Sensei and is having a pretty good season,

681
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: no doubt about it. But I do wonder if he's

682
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: going to sneak his way into this top fifty conversation

683
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: because he doesn't feel like a top fifty player to me,

684
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 3: and going back to Tony's conversation about Harrol Perkins Junior,

685
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: I'm with you. I think the things that harl Perkins

686
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 3: Junior are doing are somehow flying under the radar unless

687
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: he has other issues to contend with. But Harrol Perkins

688
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 3: Junior isn't one of them, especially when you compare, like

689
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 3: if you're ask me who my taking him or Golday

690
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 3: Perkins is smaller, but I know he can do more

691
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: and I feel much more comfort with him in space.

692
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: Goldie is a great player. I just don't know if

693
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: he's going to go as high as some people in

694
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: the medium might think.

695
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 4: I'm gonna agree with you on Guladay because you know

696
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 4: there's some people who love him. And when I watch Cincinnati,

697
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 4: you know he racks up all these tackles. There's no

698
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 4: wow factor to his game, Y, you know, I mean,

699
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 4: he's very workmanlike, he's very disciplined, but it doesn't jump

700
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 4: off the film. Arvor Reese is not a fair comparison.

701
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 4: But even you know Caleb elms Or of TCU, you

702
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 4: see him all over the place making plays Gola days.

703
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 4: He's nice. There's no wow factor to his game. As

704
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 4: far as I'm concerned.

705
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: All right, Tony, let's go to the edge here.

706
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: Who are your guys that have we mentioned rvel rees

707
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: so you don't have to mention him here, but who

708
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 2: else has helped themselves on the edge.

709
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: This is a rather long list obviously, and.

710
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 4: As Ryan said, I mean it's open, but there's a

711
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 4: lot of players at this position. Now. Ruben Bain, a

712
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 4: lot of people think he's going to be a top

713
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 4: three pick. The stats aren't great. I think he's helped

714
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 4: by his teammate Keen Mezzidorf, who's also helped himself. But listen,

715
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 4: two hundred and seventy pounds. You see that athleticism, the

716
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 4: speed up the field, the ability to change direction, get

717
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 4: out in space, the ability of recavioc. He's going to

718
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 4: be a very early pick. David Bailey of Texas Tech

719
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 4: by way of Stamford. We talked about guys who are

720
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 4: great making plays up the field. That's Bailey. Fifteen tackles

721
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 4: for loss, eleven and a half sacks, has been credited

722
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 4: with eleven. Quarterback Hurryes six foot three, two forty six

723
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 4: pounds a junior timing day last year, but he plays big.

724
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 4: I mean He's not a guy that gets not whacked

725
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 4: around by a bigger offensive lineman. He will hold his

726
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 4: ground against blocks and it shows the ability to get

727
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 4: off those blocks and make plays. He's also athletic. He's

728
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 4: not just a guy that can make plays up the field.

729
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 4: They use him that way because he's so effective in

730
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 4: that realm. But if you watch the Stanford film, he

731
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 4: can go silent too, silin he can drop in the coverage.

732
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 4: So he's more than just an edge rusher, although everyone's

733
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 4: gonna paint him as an edge rusher. We talked about

734
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 4: Casius Howell before Josh josephs of Tennessee. I don't know why

735
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 4: I put him here. His orgon Josh Joseph of Tennessee

736
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 4: six tackles, w lost four sacks. Another one of those

737
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 4: undersized pass rushers that you can use occasionally coming out

738
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 4: of a three point stance or standing over tackle. Kenyteda

739
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 4: Jackson of Ohio State. Yet another guy who I think

740
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 4: is really stepping up, someone who is used as a

741
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 4: rotational player. Last year when they had Tua Maloa and

742
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 4: they had Jack Sawyer showed flashes last year starting to

743
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 4: put it together as a consistent disruptor, guy who could

744
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 4: stop the run, who can also rush the passer, makes

745
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 4: plays in every direction of the field. And then Quincy

746
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 4: Rose of Arkansas, who gets no pub A lot of

747
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 4: things have gone wrong in Arkansas this year. Quincy Roase

748
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 4: is one of the few things that has gone right.

749
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 4: Thirty seven tackles, fourteen tackles for lost, eight sacks. He's

750
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 4: more of your Ruben Bain Anthony Smith of Minnesota type

751
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 4: in the sense that he's a bigger, taller, athletic edge

752
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 4: rusher who in time could be used in a two

753
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 4: gap system as a defensive end, may even grow into

754
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 4: that defensive tackle position. But he's showed a lot of

755
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 4: ability at Arkansas this year.

756
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: Hey, Ryan wed this edge class is filled with bigger

757
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: edges this year. Yeah, it's nuts.

758
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: It's like we went from average two fifty five sixty

759
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 3: four to two fifty five to six six two seventy

760
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: five plus. I'm so glad you put Quincy Roase Junior

761
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 3: in this list. I am one of his biggest fans

762
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: outside of his immediate family. I would imagine I've had

763
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: him go in the first round. Sometimes I love the

764
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: way this young man plays. He's unofficially sixty six, so

765
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: we'll see. But two seventy five feels about real and

766
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 3: just the things he's able to do most humans are

767
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 3: incapable of doing. I think Ruben Bain Junior has had

768
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 3: a fantastic season, especially compared to last year. But I've

769
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 3: talked to some folks that say his arms are going

770
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 3: to be sub thirty one, and we'll find out together.

771
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,479
Speaker 3: But you know, I just don't know how you overcome that.

772
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 3: And but I say this too, and I'm interested what

773
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,479
Speaker 3: you guys think. We overthink a lot of things because

774
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 3: we have so much time between September and late April.

775
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 3: And sometimes guys are just good football players. Brian Branch,

776
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 3: Kyle Hamilton. They all ran slow. Those are first round talents.

777
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: One went late in the first round. One win the

778
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: second round for reasons that defy comprehension.

779
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: And I do wonder.

780
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 3: If we talk ourselves out of really good football players,

781
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: because historically.

782
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: It hasn't worked.

783
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 3: And I get that part of it, but it's hard

784
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: to argue with the way Ruben being junior is playing.

785
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: To Tony's other point, how much of that is him

786
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: dominating and we see it a lot one on one reption.

787
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 3: How much of that is his counterpart a key mesidor

788
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 3: helping out on the other side to keep off the

789
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 3: double teams. One other name I'll mentioned in terms of

790
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: guys that I absolutely love, and I think I have

791
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: a soft spot for undersized guys David Bailey's buddy Romelo height.

792
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 3: He's two twenty eight. All day long, he does not

793
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: know that, and he plays with so much juice He's

794
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 3: probably gonna end up going on day three because of that.

795
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 3: He's an older player as well. He's transferred a couple times,

796
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: but my goodness, the motor with which that young man

797
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: plays is inspirational at times. So I love watching those

798
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 3: two guys come off the edge. And the Utah game

799
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 3: was a great game because they win nip against two

800
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 3: tackles are probably the first round picks. He's got a

801
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: true measure of what it looked like for both sides

802
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 3: of the ball in that Utah Texas Tech game.

803
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: All right, Tony, how about your guys that maybe have

804
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 2: not lived up the expectations.

805
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: On the edge.

806
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 4: Let's go back to Clemson. I mean TJ. Parker two

807
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 4: sacks this year. Coming into the season, I think most

808
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 4: people thought that TJ. Parker was a potential top twenty pick,

809
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 4: maybe a top fifteen pick. He hasn't come close to

810
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 4: playing it this year. I mean he's getting washed at

811
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 4: the point by average offensive tackles. Really has not had

812
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 4: a good season, as that entire Clemson program has failed.

813
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 4: I put Keldrick Falk of Auburn on this list only

814
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 4: because if we're gonna we had this discussion back in

815
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 4: August beginning September. I looked at Keldrick Falk as a

816
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 4: potential top five, maybe even a top three pick. I

817
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 4: thought he was that dominant. I thought he was that explosive.

818
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 4: He's incredibly athletic. He's not played like it this year,

819
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 4: and that's gonna be a topic of conversation. You know,

820
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 4: in those Combine interviews, Why didn't you play as well

821
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 4: as everyone thought you should have played this year. I

822
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 4: like Keldrick Falk, I just expected more from him this year.

823
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 4: And then Danny Denniston of Penn State played well against Indiana,

824
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 4: but he's got three sacks this year, does have three

825
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 4: force fumbles. I mean, here's a guy who six or five,

826
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 4: two hundred and seventy pounds. It's probably gonna run under

827
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 4: four eight in the forty in pre drafted testing. Came

828
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 4: through last year when I got in the playoffs for

829
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 4: Penn State, when I duel Carter hurt his shoulder and

830
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 4: Dannis sent was tough to stop. I mean, he's you know,

831
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 4: he makes a sack, he's flexing, and you know it's like,

832
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 4: you know, he stopped the entire world. Meanwhile the team stinks.

833
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 4: I just you know it's it's I expected, like the Parker,

834
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 4: like Keldrick Falk, I just expected so much more from

835
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 4: Dennis Sutton this year and he is not produced.

836
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: Tony's The funny thing is, Tony's not angry. He's just disappointed.

837
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 3: No disappointments worse though. I mean, you know your kids

838
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: will tell you that, but I I'm win you. In

839
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 3: a sudden he would probably admit, in his hard of

840
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 3: hearts that he has not played as well as he

841
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,800
Speaker 3: he has wanted to. And you know, you watch you

842
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: guys over the summer, and you have an idea of

843
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: what you want that progress to look like. And sometimes

844
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 3: the progress exceeds expectations in rvel recent a lot of

845
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: times it doesn't. And the Keldric Faulk thing is is

846
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 3: one that I had concerns about he may be a

847
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 3: situation where he doesn't reach max potential until four four

848
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 3: years from now. You just don't know because he hasn't

849
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 3: played a ton of football and I would throw And

850
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: I don't think this is a knocking as Coultric falk

851
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 3: of this next name. It's just that they're young, and

852
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 3: while they're you know they you know, baby Jesus blessed

853
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 3: them with a lot of physical traits, they have yet

854
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: to realize them. Matteo uncle lay Out of Oregon is

855
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 3: a guy who sweet Mercy alive. If you get him

856
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 3: and couch Falk off the bus first, you're sending the

857
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: message to the other team. I would like to see

858
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 3: it translate more consistently on the field, and I think

859
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 3: it will. It just if your expectations are in year

860
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: one as rookies they're going to dominate. You're setting yourself

861
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 3: up to be disappointed another player that I didn't get

862
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 3: last year and I get less this year, and to

863
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 3: the point that I'm beyond disappointed.

864
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: I'm frustrated.

865
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 3: Patrick Payton at LSU transfer from Florida State, and again,

866
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 3: dude looks the part. I just don't know what the

867
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 3: disconnect is between the whistle blowing to start to play

868
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: and the whistle blowing to end the play because it's

869
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 3: it's just not there. And he went from a possible

870
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 3: top fifty guy a summer ago to is he going

871
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 3: to get drafted? Is he gonna have to be a

872
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 3: special team or to make a roster once he gets

873
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 3: into the NFL.

874
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 4: He's another demonte kpe Park. Like I mentioned the defensive

875
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 4: tackle from Placat, it's been a two year foll for Peyton,

876
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 4: and I agree with you. I mean, coming off of

877
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 4: that twenty twenty three season at Flarbarda State, You're like, wow,

878
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 4: watch this guy didn't produce in twenty twenty four. It

879
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 4: was a disastrous season at Floria State. He got transfers

880
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 4: to LSU. Your figure, it's going to be a big year.

881
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 4: I mean, he's more mixed that he's hit and miss

882
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 4: and he's more missed than he is hit. So right

883
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 4: on with a guy like that, and what's gonna happen

884
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 4: is again go to combine interviews. Scout's gonna say, you

885
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 4: know what's going on, what's happening here, and that's why

886
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 4: he'll fall deep into the draft. Could potentially be on

887
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 4: the could potentially go and not get selected.

888
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: All right, Tony gets get to the defensive bats, corners

889
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:35,959
Speaker 2: in safeties together here.

890
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

891
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:42,280
Speaker 4: A couple of guys that have really exceeded expectations. Monsieur Delaine,

892
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 4: who we've talked about at length from LSU the Virginia

893
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 4: Tech transfer eight pass defenses and one interception this year

894
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 4: eight pass breakups and one interception has really turned it around.

895
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: Show a lot of ability as a sophomore in Virginia

896
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 4: Tech in twenty twenty three, struggled a bit last year,

897
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 4: has elevated his game. Brandon Sissy of South Carolina. You

898
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 4: know you come into the season if you didn't your

899
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 4: film work over the summer. You're looking at Jalen Kilgore

900
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 4: and Judge Collier as the top corners at South Carolina.

901
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 4: It's been Sissy who's played incredibly well this year. Five

902
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 4: pass breakups, one interception. He's a toiller guy. May not

903
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 4: hit that six foot mark, but he's still going to

904
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 4: be about five or eleven excellent ball skills. And again,

905
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 4: another guy that came out of nowhere. The talk was

906
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 4: all about Jermad McCoy at Tennessee coming into the season,

907
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 4: and he hasn't played because of an offseason injury. Coultonhood

908
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 4: has stepped in, basically taking the spot and stole them

909
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 4: the spotlight from him. Coultonhood, who's on his third team,

910
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 4: started at Auburn, went to Colorado, now has basically fixed

911
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: firmed himself at Tennessee. He's playing like a Day two selection.

912
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 4: I happened to like judge of mel Johnson the safety

913
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 4: out of TCU sixty nine tackles, but also four He's

914
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 4: not just a downhill run defending safety. He shows this

915
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 4: terrific ball skills. Genesis Smith, who we talked about when

916
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 4: Mike Redan was on the show. Fifty three tackles, one interception,

917
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 4: seven pass breakups. Again true free safety that can go

918
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 4: sideline to sideline and make plays when the ball is

919
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 4: in a ball cap, when the football is in the

920
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 4: ballcarricer's hands, or it's in the air. And D'Angelo Pounds

921
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 4: of Indiana, who again had a good game against Penn State.

922
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 4: He's a smaller guy, gonna be a nickel or dining

923
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 4: back on Sunday, but man, he can play. He can

924
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 4: play up at the line of scrimmage, he can play

925
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 4: in zone. You can play backed off the football, and

926
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 4: a guy just seems to get better and better and

927
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 4: better that no one talks about.

928
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny. I've seen all these guys except CC,

929
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 3: and they are all risers for me. This safety class,

930
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: you know, we usually talk about Klee downs. This safety

931
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: class can be pretty deep. I think there'd be a

932
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: lot of guys that go on Day two, maybe early

933
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 3: day three, that have a chance to contribute right away.

934
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 3: Another name i'll mention it safety and aj Halsey out

935
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 3: of LSU.

936
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: For as bad as LSU is, they do have some dudes.

937
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 3: I mean, he's done a lot for himself this season,

938
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 3: I feel in terms of helping his draft stock. I

939
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 3: mentioned Zakey wheat Lee out of Penn State and two

940
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 3: of their names I'll mention Dangel Pond is one of

941
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 3: my favorite players. Someone else in that mold is Duke

942
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 3: Chandler Rivers, who I liked to light over the summer.

943
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 3: He's a verified five eight and change, So again, his

944
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: future is going to be in the slot as well.

945
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 3: Even though he and D'Angelo play a lot outside, they're

946
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: gonna have to play inside. But they think they have

947
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: the physicality, the ability to tackle in space and surprising

948
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 3: ball skills for that height to be competitive at the

949
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: next level. And one other name I mentioned, I'll mention

950
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 3: and this, This dude has been so much fun to watch.

951
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: Chris Johnson, the cornerback out of Sant Diego State. He's

952
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 3: six feet but he's about oneint eighty. He plays bigger

953
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: than that. He will tackle and come up and run

954
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: support and he is a wrap up tackler. He is

955
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 3: legit in terms of staying in phase on down to

956
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: a vertical routes, get himself in position for PBUs and

957
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 3: turnover opportunities. And he does it in an era where

958
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: you know college football, you can basically tackle people and

959
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 3: they won't throw a flag. He is playing the type

960
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 3: of defensive football that will not get you flagged to

961
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 3: the next level, which is an easier transition. And I

962
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 3: say that as a Steelers fan who has to watch

963
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: Joey Porter Junior every week make fifteen tackles down the

964
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 3: field to keep drivers alive for the offense.

965
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 4: About Johnson, especially when when you get those dbs out

966
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 4: of the out of the Mountain West, who have huge stats,

967
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 4: they're often they're opportunistic players. Johnson's got excellent ball skills.

968
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 4: I mean it's not he creates his own opportunities as

969
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 4: opposed to making plays because the opposing quarterbacks just made

970
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 4: a bad throw.

971
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: All right, How about your sliders in the defensive backfield?

972
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 4: Tony Ryan talked about one of them earlier, AJ Harris,

973
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 4: the cornerback from Penn State. When I sold watch them over,

974
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 4: someone like wow, this guy is big, he's explosively strong,

975
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 4: and he's getting beaten like a drum this year. I mean,

976
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 4: he's can't make plays with his back to the ball.

977
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 4: I'm starting to wonder is he going to be a

978
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 4: cornerback or is he going to be a safety. Has

979
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 4: been a major disappointment for me and Demioni Jackson of

980
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 4: Alabama coming into the season. Scouts great him anywhere from

981
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 4: a second round pick to the later rounds. I mean

982
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 4: he's been two years ago. You watched him and you're like, wow,

983
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 4: this guy can be the next big time corner to

984
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,359
Speaker 4: come out come out of Alabama. He may end up

985
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 4: going undrafted because he's been so streaky and so inconsistent.

986
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree bout Demani and I watched him

987
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 3: of the summer and I want to see a little

988
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 3: bit more and we haven't gotten to that point yet.

989
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 3: A couple of names I'll mention Christian Graant a Notre Dame.

990
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 3: I had a high hopes for him this season and he,

991
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 3: you know, he played along as that Leonardmore doesn't help

992
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: if Lennarmore is gonna play the level he's playing at,

993
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 3: and I don't know if he's injured, and sometimes we

994
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 3: don't know, especially in college, but he hasn't quite lived

995
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: up to the expectations. And a guy that played like

996
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 3: his life depended on in Week one in that win

997
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 3: over Alabama for Florida State or a little junior the

998
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 3: safety is a firecracker, human missile coming downhill. But I

999
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 3: went back and watch the rest of his couple more

1000
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: games a couple of days ago. He's a little stiff

1001
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: in space, he's better closer to the line of scrimmage.

1002
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 3: And this is no knock on him.

1003
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: He is what he is.

1004
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 3: But given the way he played in Week one game,

1005
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 3: I thought he had an opportunity to make some moves.

1006
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: I think now he's probably gonna be locked in as

1007
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: a Day three guy. Again, that's okay, But if he

1008
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 3: had played the rest of the season like he played

1009
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 3: in the Alabama game. You know he'd have been the

1010
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: first overall pick because that was some of the craziest

1011
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:14,959
Speaker 3: football I'd ever seen.

1012
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: All Right, guys, we got about eight minutes to go.

1013
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,479
Speaker 2: Let's take a look at this week in college football, Tony.

1014
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 2: A couple of matchups. In some of these games, you're

1015
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 2: really excited about. Clemson and Louisville. A big wide receiver, cornerback.

1016
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 2: One on one.

1017
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, Louisville, very important game from them for them in

1018
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 4: the ACC standings. Clemson, we've talked about Avion Terrell, who

1019
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 4: hasn't been bad. I don't think he's failed expectations. Like TJ.

1020
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 4: Park and some of the other players on Clemson. He

1021
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 4: saw going up against Chris Bell. I mean, Chris Bell

1022
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 4: is playing lights out this year. We've talked about him

1023
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 4: a couple of times on this podcast. He's a definite

1024
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 4: Day two pick. I don't know that he's going to

1025
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 4: be a first rounder. Six pounds, he's fast, he's explosive

1026
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 4: and just makes cat schifter catch after catch. He was

1027
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 4: good in twenty twenty four. He's been better this season.

1028
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 4: He's got a size advantage over Terrell, who plays to

1029
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,439
Speaker 4: football that is going to be a matchup to watch,

1030
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 4: a definite next level matchup between Cleinson and Louisville.

1031
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 3: I'll say this about Chris Bell. I may be the

1032
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 3: only person that's not high on him. I wasn't high

1033
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 3: on Rushie Rice coming out either, and I've since been

1034
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 3: proven wrong. I don't know about his long speed, and

1035
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 3: I know he catches a lot of balls near the

1036
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage and strides out. I understand that I

1037
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 3: want to see this matchup in particular, see how it unfolds,

1038
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 3: because that hopefully that'll clue me into the direction I

1039
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: need to go. But I'm on an island this one.

1040
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens. Another name a guy that I

1041
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 3: actually just watched and he was a lot of fun.

1042
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 3: Clev Lubin number fifty, the edge rusher for Louisville. This

1043
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: guy can set the edge and the run. He is

1044
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 3: incredibly active as a pass rusher. Blake Miller the right

1045
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 3: tacklet of Clemson. I was very happy you went back

1046
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 3: to school last year. I haven't watched him closely this year,

1047
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 3: but that's a matchup I can keep my eye on

1048
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 3: as we get through this game here. But yeah, Chris Bell,

1049
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. But whatever the blind

1050
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 3: spot is, hopefully I can I can see you know.

1051
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: Ryan, I'm kind of with you, like there's nothing. He's

1052
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: not sudden in the way he runs his routes.

1053
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: I know he's rolling that regard a little bit, and

1054
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 2: I know he does a lot of acceleration once he

1055
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: has the ball in his hands. But I'm with you,

1056
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 2: I'm not totally sold on that. All Right, We'll see, Yeah,

1057
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: we'll say both of us gonna end up being wrong.

1058
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: I kind of thought the same thing about aj Brown too,

1059
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: and and how that one.

1060
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: Work out, Tony. Another match up Minnesota and Oregon.

1061
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: We talked about Anthony Smith already, but he's going up

1062
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: against the guard that you really like.

1063
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: Maybe he's gonna be a tackle to Isaiah World.

1064
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know he's gonna be a guard. I think

1065
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 4: it's gonna be a left tackle and to proven otherwise.

1066
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 4: I mean, Isaiah World has been playing basically the whole

1067
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 4: world football. We saw it early in the in the

1068
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 4: year against Penn State. He's got those long arms transferred

1069
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 4: from Nevada, has elevated his game really seamless in the

1070
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 4: jump step up the competition into the Big Ten. Showed

1071
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 4: a lot of outstanding traits. Very athletic as well. Not

1072
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 4: a guy who's just a line of scrimmage type of

1073
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 4: offensive tackle can get out to the second level lock

1074
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 4: in motion. Love the way he uses his hands. Like

1075
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 4: I said, he's got those long arms. He's gonna be

1076
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 4: up against it against Minnesota. Now, Minnesota plays a three

1077
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 4: man line, so we'll have to wait and see if

1078
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 4: that matchup basically comes to fruition where he's lined up

1079
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 4: over Isaiah World. But if he does, it's gonna be

1080
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 4: a terrific matchup between two guys that are absolutely right.

1081
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 4: Now Day two picks next.

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00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 3: To April, I'm gonna go with Isaiah World's buddy left guard,

1083
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: Emmanuel Pregnantity transfer for USC and he is He sends

1084
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: a message from the left car position. He is incredibly

1085
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 3: effective as a run blocker. He was listed at three

1086
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 3: twenty this summer. He combo blocks and gets to the

1087
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: second level. Like he weighs one hundred and eighty five pounds,

1088
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: He's an elite pass protector. On the interior, he does

1089
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 3: very few things that give you pause. I love the

1090
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 3: way he plays, and that left side of the line

1091
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: is solidified with both him and and Isaiah World's there

1092
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: and I've enjoyed watching him play. See what happens with

1093
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 3: Dante Moore. I'm curious to see if he comes back

1094
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: to school because that's been a talking point as well.

1095
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 3: He's not been asked to do as much as Mendoza

1096
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 3: or ty Simpson from game in the game out when

1097
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 3: he has been for the most part, he's been good,

1098
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 3: but I want to continue to see him to progress,

1099
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 3: so just to have a fuller picture of who he's

1100
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 3: gonna be once he decides to make his way to

1101
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 3: the NFL.

1102
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 2: All right, Tony, let's jump over to Oklahoma and Alabama,

1103
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 2: big SEC matchup.

1104
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 4: Obviously, you're gonna watch Ty Simpson every week, and this

1105
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 4: is gonna be another big battle not only for ty Simpson,

1106
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 4: but Cayden Proctor, a left tackle as well. A lot

1107
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 4: of people, I mean, there's a lot of mixed reactions

1108
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 4: and opinions on Kayden Proctor. I happen to like him.

1109
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 4: A lot of people don't like him. I think he's

1110
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 4: better off on the right side. Some people think he's

1111
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 4: gonna be an offensive guard. But they go up against Oklahoma,

1112
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 4: who's got the number two defense in the SEC. They're

1113
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 4: number two in the sacks, number two in sacks in

1114
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,479
Speaker 4: the SEC. So this is gonna be a big test,

1115
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,720
Speaker 4: not only for Procter. Kenny kind of kind of slow

1116
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 4: down that the Sooner, but Ty Simpson as well. It

1117
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 4: broked a cancelo down the pass rush or they're coming

1118
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 4: off the right side. How does he react to that

1119
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 4: rusher on that Oklahoma from that Oklahoma defense that's proven

1120
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 4: themselves to be really good this season.

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00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally agree, And I'm with you on Proctor. I

1122
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 3: think he's a really good football player.

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00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: I do I want him.

1124
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 3: I think the weight is going to be a concern

1125
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 3: for NFL teams, and much the same way it was

1126
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 3: with Dwan Jones. Dewane Jones probably should have been a

1127
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 3: top fifty pick, but you know, refuse to get weigh

1128
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 3: to his pro day, and here we are. The other

1129
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: thing is he weighs twenty pounds more than jac Latham,

1130
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 3: which doesn't seem like that should be possible. So you know,

1131
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 3: draw fifteen to twenty pounds, take it seriously, and you

1132
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 3: can dominate because we've seen him athletically. There are a

1133
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 3: few people better athletes on planet Earth. We've seen him

1134
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 3: in space, which is a crazy thing to say about

1135
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: an offensive tackle as a receiver and is running back

1136
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 3: and the blocker. You can do all those things, So

1137
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 3: there's that the other player in that offense. It's really

1138
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: really good. I don't know if you guys have talked

1139
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: about him frequently, but I need to talk more about

1140
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 3: a Parker Broiles for the center. He is quote unquote undersized,

1141
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 3: but he plays incredibly strong for his two ninetish frame.

1142
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 3: Whatever happens to be. Jeremy Bernard is another really good

1143
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 3: player and wide receiver that probably deserves more pub And

1144
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 3: I think John Mattier post thumb injury, should come back,

1145
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 3: But man, is he exciting. I in talking to scouts

1146
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 3: over the summer, you know, you talk to him and

1147
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 3: they've started jaded Becausey've done this forever. I've never heard

1148
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 3: so much excitement about a player as I had about

1149
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 3: Johnmetier and what that was going to look like at Oklahoma,

1150
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: and it got off to a rollicking start before the injury.

1151
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 3: But that also informs you that he has to play

1152
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 3: smarter and he can't sort of play that freewheeland style

1153
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 3: at the next level because he ended up like Jackson

1154
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 3: dart to some degree. It can be fun but can

1155
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 3: also lead to you being on the sidelines. But this

1156
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 3: is gonna be a fun game and I'm looking forward

1157
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 3: to it.

1158
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:48,959
Speaker 1: Guys, this was fun.

1159
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: Ryan, really appreciate you joining us folks where they can

1160
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: find your podcast or your work and everything like that.

1161
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the first pick where we get your podcast

1162
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 3: on YouTube of course, and I do it with a

1163
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 3: former Times GM, Ran Carton, so he has a lot

1164
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 3: of insight and that I don't have, and it makes

1165
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 3: a show even better. So check that out if you

1166
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 3: don't mind.

1167
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: And Tony, what anything coming out that people should keep

1168
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: an eye on.

1169
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 4: No a free agent. Well, hopefully we'll have some more.

1170
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 4: Uh maybe in a couple of days.

1171
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 2: I'm sure that the agent is burning up the phone

1172
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 2: lines right now. For Tony, everybody, thanks for being with

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Speaker 2: fun show today. Thanks for being with us, everybody. We'll

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Speaker 2: see you next time.