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Speaker 2: time we were together, nig we had this thing where
Speaker 2: I said, if you could change one thing in.
Speaker 1: Sports, what would it be?
Speaker 2: Because I think both of us we love sports and
Speaker 2: we think about new ways to improve it.
Speaker 1: So last night that's the down the answer hard. Sorry,
Speaker 1: but I.
Speaker 2: Thought about this because we both loved the NBA, and
Speaker 2: I was thinking that the NBA over the last twenty
Speaker 2: years has lost some audience. Although they've picked it up
Speaker 2: on streaming and there's so many platforms now, younger people
Speaker 2: watch it differently than you know, linear TV and all
Speaker 2: that stuff, So the losses I think are overstated. It's
Speaker 2: still incredibly valuable, pulls me in, pulls my friends and
Speaker 2: all my friends of my age. Still got their teams.
Speaker 2: But I thought about this, it could help. So it
Speaker 2: takes a long time to become an icon. I would
Speaker 2: argue Lebron was not a true global icon until he
Speaker 2: was humiliated in Miami and then came back and won
Speaker 2: his first and that was really this, this crescendo it
Speaker 2: had built to. He was well known, he was most talented.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fine, I agree with that.
Speaker 2: It was when he joined the Stars, he lost and
Speaker 2: was humiliated, was the NBA's villain. Everybody loves a villain.
Speaker 2: And then he won the following year he's crying. It's like, okay,
Speaker 2: now he's global. Now he's nicon So it takes a
Speaker 2: long time, even if you're the best.
Speaker 1: And then almost got to a different level when he
Speaker 1: did it in Cleveland, did get to it, and that
Speaker 1: was a whole different thing. Yep.
Speaker 2: And so I thought, so what the NBA has always
Speaker 2: been was when it has its stars, who even magic
Speaker 2: Bird take a while to become iconic.
Speaker 1: Steph. Steph wasn't iconic when he won his first title
Speaker 1: pre KD. He wasn't Steph maybe honestly started interrupting. You
Speaker 1: could argue Steph wasn't truly iconic until the last ring
Speaker 1: he was he was he was going to be. I
Speaker 1: would argue the seventy three win season and then because
Speaker 1: it ended the way it did and then he didn't
Speaker 1: reach the mountaintop again, or that when he did reach
Speaker 1: the mountaintop again, it was alongside a guy of equal
Speaker 1: stature that like maybe he already was iconic, but Steph.
Speaker 1: What really cemented step in a different way was the
Speaker 1: title post KD when which, by the way, if anyone's
Speaker 1: been watching Jordan Poole lately, Steph gets you know what
Speaker 1: I know. I'm a Lebron guy. Steph has five rings now,
Speaker 1: Jordan bull as zero, stephez is and Jordan Bowles is
Speaker 1: five rings. But go ahead, sorry you were doing Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's been a mess.
Speaker 2: So I was thinking leagues do better when they have,
Speaker 2: especially star driven leagues, the English Premier League, the NBA,
Speaker 2: when they have iconic stars. I think the NBA and
Speaker 2: owners would have to sign off on this because short
Speaker 2: term they'd make less money.
Speaker 1: Is that if.
Speaker 2: Lebron Lebron James could win a title this year, if
Speaker 2: he had a three game first round series, a three
Speaker 2: game second, a five game conference and a seven game finals.
Speaker 2: When you ask Lebron to have a seven gamer and
Speaker 2: this team it's hard to sweep even crappy teams. So
Speaker 2: Lebron can't give you twenty great postseason games.
Speaker 1: He could give you eleven. Sure, he could give you eleven.
Speaker 2: And when I watched Lebron the other night in what
Speaker 2: was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen
Speaker 2: against Dylan Brooks where he was easily the best player
Speaker 2: on the floor and virtually unstoppable, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: he can still do that. He cannot do it eleven.
Speaker 2: He cannot do it twenty one times in the postseason.
Speaker 2: Is that if you pulled back and people say, well
Speaker 2: what if stars would lose? Well, stars lose in March Madness.
Speaker 2: March Madness gets exceptional ratings because their sudden death is
Speaker 2: that you went to a three game series and another
Speaker 2: three the best players would still win.
Speaker 1: You'd start with two games home floor, whatever you had.
Speaker 2: To do, it would ensure that your biggest stars as
Speaker 2: they age, had a greater chance in singular games to
Speaker 2: be amazing. Injuries happen as you get older, lethargy, you
Speaker 2: lose energy. And I thought to myself, the NBA should
Speaker 2: and I think Darryl Morey has discussed this. Who share
Speaker 2: a page from March Madden, I mean March madn The
Speaker 2: quality of college basketball is awful, but March Madness gets
Speaker 2: big numbers on guys that can't play at a high
Speaker 2: level because of the urgency. So my takeaway is the
Speaker 2: NBA should consider shortening the series dramatically to elevate not
Speaker 2: just the urgency, but to extend Lebron Steph great old
Speaker 2: Slayers to win and.
Speaker 1: We are there's a funny thing, So I don't dislike
Speaker 1: that idea at all. There is also a funny thing
Speaker 1: that is happening because of what Lebron's doing. Right now,
Speaker 1: people don't no one is making the point what Stephan
Speaker 1: KD are doing is damn near unprecedented at their age
Speaker 1: because a guy so much older than them is doing
Speaker 1: what Lebron's doing. Steph is thirty five. He might be
Speaker 1: the best he's ever been. KD is thirty five. He
Speaker 1: is not quite the best he's ever been, but still
Speaker 1: the most reliable best player on that team. The only
Speaker 1: reason the Suns have a real chance is because he's there, obviously,
Speaker 1: alongside Devin Booker. When Booker's able to play which is
Speaker 1: not Those guys are not It is not normal for
Speaker 1: those guys. I mean, Michael Jordan was thirty six in
Speaker 1: his last game. It was he thirty six or thirty
Speaker 1: five his last game with the Chicago Bulls. He was.
Speaker 1: But again, like those coke things, people don't believe this.
Speaker 1: When I say it, I'm gonna, I want to make
Speaker 1: sure I get it exactly right. Kobe Bryant and was
Speaker 1: born in August of seventy eight, So the reason I'm
Speaker 1: saying that is this. And again keep in mind the
Speaker 1: context of of how old Stephen kd are. So he's
Speaker 1: born in August of seventy eight. Kobe Bryant the last
Speaker 1: playoff game he ever played. The last playoff game he
Speaker 1: ever played was in April of twenty twelve. So Kobe's
Speaker 1: last playoff game ever, he was thirty three. Kobe, who
Speaker 1: we feel like played and was great forever, was thirty
Speaker 1: three in his final playoff game. Stephen Durant are unbelievable
Speaker 1: at thirty five. Lebron turns thirty nine in forty days
Speaker 1: and is still there's not six guys in the league.
Speaker 2: Nick he'd make right now, he'd make all NBA first team, yes, year,
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: Right that's what absolutely listen, he is. There are a
Speaker 1: there is a very select few guys who have clearly
Speaker 1: surpassed him. It's Jokic, has Giannis has an embid in
Speaker 1: the regular season. Has I'd rather have thirty nine year
Speaker 1: old Lebron than em beating the postseason?
Speaker 2: I finally would no, But right now, all NBA first
Speaker 2: team would be Tatum's having a great year, sure, Jokic, Lebron,
Speaker 2: probably Luca, absolutely Luca, and.
Speaker 1: The other guard. Yeah. I mean, if you didn't have
Speaker 1: to do positions, I was gonna say Steph would be
Speaker 1: the other guard, and then like, yeah, the Giannis has
Speaker 1: to be on there as well, so maybe somebody. The
Speaker 1: point is, he's one of the guys. He's at that age,
Speaker 1: he's still one of the guys. And because he's doing
Speaker 1: it at this age, I mean, only six other guys
Speaker 1: ever played in year twenty one like the Lebron stuff is.
Speaker 1: And I tweeted about it that Dylan Brooks Knight. I
Speaker 1: was like, we are just he had back to back
Speaker 1: around thirty five point games on crazy high efficiency, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, Lebron, if we were to be like hey,
Speaker 1: year twenty or later. Show me any player the best
Speaker 1: thirty games in NBA history. Lebron's got like twenty six
Speaker 1: of them now the and last year. So last year,
Speaker 1: the oldest player in the league was Yodonis Haslom, who
Speaker 1: was a coach who they just left on the roster.
Speaker 1: Lebron is not like, you know, almost or he's literally
Speaker 1: now the did Guadella retired. He's literally the oldest player
Speaker 1: in the league, the oldest player, and I understand. I
Speaker 1: think the other thing that made us maybe a little
Speaker 1: numb to it, even though different sport is what Brady did,
Speaker 1: which is totally remarkable, and Brady is what he did,
Speaker 1: it's unimpeachable. It also feels to me different in that
Speaker 1: because he was a quarterback. The athleticism being an old guy,
Speaker 1: if you could stay upright, is totally different. Yeah, Lebron
Speaker 1: is doing fucking pardon me, chase down blocks. He is
Speaker 1: bullying Dylan Brooks. He like it was a big deal
Speaker 1: that Albern Shongoon, who's the hell of a player, muscled
Speaker 1: Lebron off the block for the game tying shot, And
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm like, Shingoon is a guy who's twenty two,
Speaker 1: who people are like, he's a future All Star and
Speaker 1: everyone's amazed that he was able to out muscle the
Speaker 1: oldest player in the league. It's just and I don't.
Speaker 1: I Yeah, you can get hurt and get dinged up people.
Speaker 1: This is one of those things people will clip and
Speaker 1: mean me for and make fun of me for. But
Speaker 1: I don't care. I just don't think he'll ever be bad.
Speaker 1: I don't see what he might. He's not always going
Speaker 1: to be this, but I don't see a scenario where
Speaker 1: he plays and he's bad like all the other legends.
Speaker 1: Jordan wasn't. To be fair, Jordan was never bad. Uh.
Speaker 1: He was inefficient at the end with the Wizards, wasn't great,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't bad. Kobe at the end rest his
Speaker 1: soul was bad. Dirk at the end was bad like
Speaker 1: most of the guys who played at the end.
Speaker 2: KG at the end with jar had bad posture, yeah,
Speaker 2: slumbering down.
Speaker 1: Jabbar was still really good almost to the end, but
Speaker 1: at the very end was bad. I yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: is I can't If he's this at thirty nine and
Speaker 1: year twenty one, even if he falls off by fifty,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he could just keep playing,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he'll be bad. I just don't
Speaker 1: think it'll ever be bad.
Speaker 2: I've never said anything I don't believe, but I do
Speaker 2: believe in being theatrical.
Speaker 1: I am a press's exactly right.
Speaker 2: And when I did the hat on backwards stuff, I
Speaker 2: believed it. I liked keep bringing it up because I
Speaker 2: thought it was so obnoxious and funny because we've all
Speaker 2: put our hat on backwards cleaning the garage or hitting
Speaker 2: a golf ball, like we've all done it. But I
Speaker 2: leaned into it. But I truly believed it that if
Speaker 2: you stand at the podium on Wednesday, that it does matter.
Speaker 2: You have the bank behind you, City Bank for the
Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens. What you say and how you say it matters.
Speaker 2: It's why if a CEO goes on MSNBC and looks
Speaker 2: drunk or tired, the stock price goes down.
Speaker 1: Like it matters.
Speaker 2: You're the face of the franchise. I'm gonna make the
Speaker 2: argument that in the history of the league, Jalen Hurts
Speaker 2: is the single best podium quarterback I have ever seen.
Speaker 2: Go watch the tape last night. He is so insanely articulate,
Speaker 2: so succinct, so the words almost manicured.
Speaker 1: I mean I watched him. I'm like, I've never looked
Speaker 1: that good. That's that and by the way, you it's
Speaker 1: it's incredible. And people people, it's increble. People make make
Speaker 1: fun of me. He is so good at the podium.
Speaker 1: I if I.
Speaker 2: Own the Eagles, I am like, that's my face of
Speaker 2: the franchise. He is so buttoned up, so on point,
Speaker 2: so respectful, and I I've never seen even Brady had
Speaker 2: days where he looked like a disheveled or I've never seen,
Speaker 2: by the way, and it matters.
Speaker 1: It matters, it that matters, and you know, it's so Colin.
Speaker 1: This came up actually in the commercial break of our
Speaker 1: show today because in we played sound from Hurts and
Speaker 1: we played sound for Mahomes and during the one of
Speaker 1: the commercial breaks, Wild said he was like, Mahomes is
Speaker 1: one of the only quarterbacks in the league that after
Speaker 1: this stretch for his team. When Mahomes was like, I
Speaker 1: believe in these receivers, we will get it right, where
Speaker 1: he was like, I totally believe him, Like that what
Speaker 1: Mahomes the Mahomes believes he will fix this. And then
Speaker 1: with Hurts, every time Hurts talks were like, well that
Speaker 1: was perfect, you the perfect and you. One of your
Speaker 1: old bits that actually was used it as an FS
Speaker 1: one commercial was the quarterback face thing that the better
Speaker 1: looking kid gets more snaps, and then it leads to
Speaker 1: all these things. Them being the quarterback, him being good
Speaker 1: looking helps matters. This goes back to the charisma thing
Speaker 1: I was saying about the movie stars. And if people
Speaker 1: think we're overstating it, the flip side is go watch
Speaker 1: Mac Jones at the podium. You know, oh my god,
Speaker 1: he doesn't he It's not that he thinks his team
Speaker 1: is comod or whatever. He is questioning am I any good?
Speaker 1: And it is. It is oozing out of him, just
Speaker 1: absolutely losing out of him. So like Jalen, I think Jalen,
Speaker 1: I didn't actually hear this take on your show today
Speaker 1: because I didn't consume any of your show today except
Speaker 1: the part I was on because I was in mourning
Speaker 1: from my chiefs. But I I think Jalen, I don't
Speaker 1: want to. I don't want to say he's getting a
Speaker 1: pass this year because he's not playing poorly, so he
Speaker 1: doesn't need a pass. But Jalen, in my opinion, and
Speaker 1: maybe it's because his knee is hurt. Despite the Eagles
Speaker 1: being nine to one, his play has taken a hit
Speaker 1: from where it was last season. And I truly believe
Speaker 1: one of the reasons in a world where we criticize everyone,
Speaker 1: especially quarterbacks, there is almost no jail and hurts criticism
Speaker 1: is because everyone respects him so much and looks at
Speaker 1: him and is like, yes, oh, I believe in him.
Speaker 1: I believe in that kid.
Speaker 2: I saw a video of him, and I try to
Speaker 2: stay off X but I saw a video of him
Speaker 2: with I think a date or a girlfriend.
Speaker 1: She was gorgeous, and I looked at him and I
Speaker 1: was like, that guy. He looked if you told me.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's running, he's a CEO. It tonight is a
Speaker 2: Foundation dinner.
Speaker 1: He looked, so you'd believe it professional. It was a date.
Speaker 2: And I got to tell you, and I've said this,
Speaker 2: there are certain people that are just better in front
Speaker 2: of people I and I know I got shit for years.
Speaker 2: It matters that Carson Wentz had on backwards. Not good enough,
Speaker 2: It's not good enough.
Speaker 1: Listen. I'm glad you said the thing you said off
Speaker 1: the top, which is we say what we believe, and
Speaker 1: if we truly believe it. This is I couldn't speak
Speaker 1: for you. For me, I say what I believe, and
Speaker 1: if I am steadfast in that belief and it generates
Speaker 1: a reaction, I really lean into it. If I know,
Speaker 1: if I am, if I am so in a total
Speaker 1: non you know, different, totally different than the hurts thing
Speaker 1: or the hat on backwards thing. I I know my
Speaker 1: opinion on brock Party irritates people, but I believe it
Speaker 1: in the marrow of my bones. So I talk about it,
Speaker 1: probably more often than I would have to, because to me,
Speaker 1: it threads the needle of its topical. I deeply believe
Speaker 1: it and generates reaction. The the thing what I found
Speaker 1: so interesting about not to rehash shit from eight years ago,
Speaker 1: however long it was, but the blowback to your backwards
Speaker 1: hat thing, as you put it, is every single person,
Speaker 1: to varying degrees, agrees with you, not to like, not
Speaker 1: on the specific necessary trigger of a backwards hat, but
Speaker 1: the point of if you are the face of my franchise,
Speaker 1: running my company, the forward facing guy, how you present
Speaker 1: yourself not only matters but tells me about how much
Speaker 1: I can trust you. That is a universally accepted tenet
Speaker 1: of life, and whether or not people actually thought a
Speaker 1: backwards hat was actually actually these days, Colin, it's like
Speaker 1: a pinky ring. It's fine, like whatever. That wasn't the point,
Speaker 1: But there there's a lot of the Let.
Speaker 2: Me ask you this, if I was hiring Logan, Swain
Speaker 2: runs the volume, Logan retires, or Logan moves on, Logan
Speaker 2: makes a great living, from me, if you were interviewing
Speaker 2: for that job, which pays a lot of money, would
Speaker 2: you show up with a hat on backwards for the interview?
Speaker 2: So even if you push back on it, you know, that's.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, you know, the and the it is,
Speaker 1: So I don't the and I don't actually even think
Speaker 1: the specifics matter because the backwards hat could also be
Speaker 1: uh ripped jeans or like that in that instance, that's
Speaker 1: specific instance of I'm showing up to a job interview,
Speaker 1: or like I thought personally that you know, so Cam
Speaker 1: Newton I thought unfairly caught shit for his fashion sense.
Speaker 1: And the reason I thought it was unfair is, uh,
Speaker 1: he clearly put a lot of thought into it. You can't.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I'm not like Philip Rivers wore a bolo tie.
Speaker 1: Nobody cared Cam's wearing a feather boa. You might say
Speaker 1: he's a little eccentric, whatever it is, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: halp hazard of thrown together the Carson Wentz stuff. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that seems haphazard.
Speaker 2: That seemed absolutely the It bothered me a lot when
Speaker 2: I saw Carson Wentz once with a hat backwards. I'm like,
Speaker 2: you're mailing in so you have no respect for the
Speaker 2: bank behind you, the owner of the coach you are
Speaker 2: mailing it in. This isn't a duck hunting trip. But
Speaker 2: and the and where on the wins thing? Again, I
Speaker 2: can't believe we're talking about this. It's fundy, like ultimately
Speaker 2: vindicated in my opinion. Is that picture that he allowed
Speaker 2: to be taken of him practicing with the four different
Speaker 2: teams he's been on wearing Yeah, it's like, oh, you
Speaker 2: don't get it, buddy, Like people see that. I think
Speaker 2: teams see that, and are they obviously know you played
Speaker 2: for those teams, But there is to be an instant
Speaker 2: reaction of oh, what do all those teams have in common?
Speaker 2: They all had you in the building and couldn't wait
Speaker 2: to get you out of it, and like that, And
Speaker 2: it's almost and you don't get that that is actually something.
Speaker 1: Working against you, you know what I mean? You don't
Speaker 1: understand that that is a negative for you, Like I
Speaker 1: I do think one of the things you used to
Speaker 1: say maybe you still do, but you say all the time.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna butcher it, but that the shorthand version
Speaker 1: of it is, there's get it guys and don't get
Speaker 1: it guys. I don't know what just what you actually.
Speaker 2: I use say people that don't get it, don't get
Speaker 2: they don't exactly right.
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And there are certain I believe things
Speaker 1: that have nothing to do with race, wealth, class, anything.
Speaker 1: It's purely do you understand wherever you're at, the environment
Speaker 1: that you're in and what that calls for, and are
Speaker 1: you able to in those environments adjust anything up to
Speaker 1: an including how loudly you speak, do you or do
Speaker 1: you not curse? How you present yourself? Those things are
Speaker 1: to me very telling traits of people. And if I
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't got I mean, I can't even
Speaker 1: imagine like being on a date, but the because it's
Speaker 1: been married for so long even though I'm actually getting married. Uh,
Speaker 1: the if if if when you would were first meeting
Speaker 1: someone and they you happen to be like in an
Speaker 1: elevator with an elderly person. I know this sounds ridiculous,
Speaker 1: but just follow me and they casually dropped like, uh,
Speaker 1: either talked something sexual or dropped an f bomb with
Speaker 1: like an old lady standing there and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you don't get it, Like, oh you don't you don't
Speaker 1: understand your environment about that. There are just certain things
Speaker 1: right or wrong that just everybody who gets it knows, well,
Speaker 1: you don't do that, you don't like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, the first time you meet someone, comment on
Speaker 1: you know, make fear. There's just certain things and I
Speaker 1: think you're That was the point I believe I always
Speaker 1: believed you were making about the backwards hats, which became
Speaker 1: a really a symbol for are you going to represent
Speaker 1: me and my company the way I want you to
Speaker 1: represent me? And to circle back to Jalen Hurts, I
Speaker 1: think he is. You say he's the best ever. He's
Speaker 1: certainly the best in the league. He's the best in
Speaker 1: the league, and I can't think of someone who was
Speaker 1: better at it. I think that is totally correct, totally correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, let me maybe this is
Speaker 2: a bridge too far. But do you think it's coincidental
Speaker 2: that he understands time and place so well Off field?
Speaker 2: He's also situationally not only one of the great chess
Speaker 2: pieces we've ever had at quarterback, he's a marvelous situational quarterback.
Speaker 2: He doesn't throw the prettiest ball, he's not the fastest. Situationally,
Speaker 2: he's so he it transcends, so what I think field
Speaker 2: on he gets.
Speaker 1: So what I'm most impressed by Jalen is Jalen And
Speaker 1: I don't know, uh, you know about his high school career,
Speaker 1: but he ended up being the starting quarterback at Alabama,
Speaker 1: so I imagine he's pretty oldah, and that shit went
Speaker 1: left on him just flatly did in really the most
Speaker 1: publicly embarrassing way possible. Whether he didn't seem to view
Speaker 1: it that way at the time, but a lot of
Speaker 1: people did that, like, Oh, that was the worst that's
Speaker 1: kind of the worst case scenario. You're at Alabama the
Speaker 1: starting quarterback, they consider you kind of the weak link.
Speaker 1: You get benched, and then the guy who comes in
Speaker 1: throws the game winning touchdown. It's like, oh, you're out,
Speaker 1: Like that's kind of sucks. He and maybe This is
Speaker 1: credit to people around him. I don't know who's around him,
Speaker 1: or maybe it's just his own intuition. I don't know.
Speaker 1: He took all that information and had a lot of options.
Speaker 1: I can fight my way out of here, I can,
Speaker 1: I can quit, I can rasistink and he I think selflessly,
Speaker 1: maybe for the team, but also selfish, not in a
Speaker 1: bad way. What was best for him was no, I'll stay.
Speaker 1: I'll stay and show that I'm available. That's what's best
Speaker 1: for me and my career. And then after I do
Speaker 1: that and everyone I have now universal approval. Everyone is
Speaker 1: like what And it got to come on the field
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly and helped him out when TWA
Speaker 1: got hurt, you know, did that stuff. Then he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, what what's the smartest move next? Let me
Speaker 1: go play for someone that could accentuate that I can throw,
Speaker 1: because that's what everybody doubts. Yeah, okay, let me go
Speaker 1: do that. And then once he does that and he
Speaker 1: gets his shot in the NFL, Okay, what is the
Speaker 1: way for me to show these guys that I am valuable?
Speaker 1: The real deal? All of it? Well, one thing is,
Speaker 1: and again I don't know him at all, so maybe
Speaker 1: I'm assigning things to him, but this is what happened.
Speaker 1: As far as the timeline of it, Well, they had
Speaker 1: drafted a quarterback super high who they got rid of
Speaker 1: because everybody hated them in part there's other reasons. So
Speaker 1: let me be the ultimate guy, leader, forward facing guy,
Speaker 1: and when it comes to how I play, my style
Speaker 1: will be what do you need? What do you need?
Speaker 1: You want me to get beat up the way a
Speaker 1: quarterback really doesn't get beat up. You want to design
Speaker 1: a signature play that the strategy behind it is seventeen
Speaker 1: of the twenty two people on the field hit me
Speaker 1: from different angles. I will not complain. And guess what
Speaker 1: it led to a second round pick who got bingched
Speaker 1: in college to having a quarter of a billion dollar
Speaker 1: contract and the entire football world respecting it. So that's like,
Speaker 1: that's not coincidence, man, that is not it. And that
Speaker 1: is a level of forethought and intellect that we don't
Speaker 1: typically assign to athletes, Like, no, this wasn't happenstance or chance.
Speaker 1: It was there, Like Josh Allen Mahomes, I happen to
Speaker 1: think Mahomes is actually incredibly, incredibly bright. I think Josh
Speaker 1: maybe gets in his own head too much. But those
Speaker 1: guys their raw physical ability. As long as they were
Speaker 1: given a chance to just show it, yea, it was
Speaker 1: going to It wasn't going to go super left on
Speaker 1: them at all. Like even with Josh he had two
Speaker 1: terrible years with not a lot of help all those things.
Speaker 1: He was so physically gifted, he was going to be
Speaker 1: able to show it. There were Colin, there were ten
Speaker 1: different forks in the road where Jalen Hurts never starts
Speaker 1: a single game at quarterback in the NFL, never for
Speaker 1: a single game, and he just kept choosing correctly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm impressed by the kid. It's gonna be so
Speaker 1: sad when the Chiefs beat him in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I find him so easy to root for.
Speaker 2: There's just have you ever interviewed when I watch?
Speaker 1: I haven't.
Speaker 2: I just I mean again, I try to. I always
Speaker 2: see myself as the judge fans of the jury. Uh
Speaker 2: you know the sports figures are the prosecuting attorney.
Speaker 1: In the DA right, like I'm the judge.
Speaker 2: I find it impossible not to root for Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: Impossible. You should say this, I would like because here's
Speaker 1: the one thing I don't think I've obviously not during
Speaker 1: the season. I would just the more I think about it, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think I've seen like a long form sit
Speaker 1: down forty like in the world of podcasts and you
Speaker 1: know where you can do these things. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I've seen like a forty five minute conversation with
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, I'd be interested, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: just like that's a that's a guy i'd be interested in,
Speaker 1: because I would also be interested in like those guys.
Speaker 1: I always wonder My favorite question, it's a cliche question.
Speaker 1: I didn't come up with it, but like what age
Speaker 1: did you know you were special? Like at what age
Speaker 1: were you? Like, oh, like, not only could I, you know,
Speaker 1: be a great athlete, but I can be a pro athlete,
Speaker 1: Like at what age and how early were you like
Speaker 1: trying to like plan for this life, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like making decisions and root to it, because
Speaker 1: he seems like a planner. He seems like someone that
Speaker 1: had it very meticulously laid out because it wasn't going
Speaker 1: to be given to him because physically and skill set wise,
Speaker 1: he's a tweener, you know. Jalen Hurts is like a
Speaker 1: tweener on a lot of these things. There's no question
Speaker 1: that he fell to the second just on just on size. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, stature.
Speaker 2: That leads me. We'll close with this leads me to
Speaker 2: something I've talked about with people before. People talk about
Speaker 2: the greatest quality of successful people, and I absolutely believe,
Speaker 2: without a shadow of a doubt, it's resilience. And my
Speaker 2: example is always Michael Jordan. So, Michael Jordan was arguably
Speaker 2: the best looking player. Bobby Knight said he was the
Speaker 2: best basketball player he'd ever seen, carried weight, most stylish,
Speaker 2: most clutch, most gifted, and people knew it instantly in
Speaker 2: the NBA. And yet when you watch that documentary, it
Speaker 2: was a he had to fight with his owner, fight
Speaker 2: with his GM. And I've told my kids that he
Speaker 2: literally was the most stylish, the greatest talent, strong, family,
Speaker 2: completely formidable, winning.
Speaker 1: Even after three He's like, I'm going to go to
Speaker 1: baseball is too much the.
Speaker 2: GM and him battled the owner, Rhyan Storg. It was
Speaker 2: a horrible one sided contract. And then at the end
Speaker 2: in Washington, the fight Jordan had to get ownership. Just
Speaker 2: the nonsense he dealt with. And I tell people this
Speaker 2: all the time, look how.
Speaker 1: Hard it was for Michael.
Speaker 2: Literally the basketball gods gave him the hand size. I mean,
Speaker 2: just perfect facial symmetry, style, great sense of humor. Cool,
Speaker 2: I mean, like not all basketball players that are good
Speaker 2: are cool. Jordan was, Yeah, I said this the other day.
Speaker 2: Lebron maybe bettered to many people. Michael made me feel
Speaker 2: a certain way. Sure Lebron doesn't. Michael made me feel something.
Speaker 2: That's what great politicians do. And yet Michael battled twy,
Speaker 2: retired early, try retired twice.
Speaker 1: Three times he battled. And I think.
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts is a great example of this. But we
Speaker 2: can talk more, Jordan. Is that I mean God Jokic,
Speaker 2: second round Jannis, late developer, Steph Curry, too small, Davidson.
Speaker 2: I don't think we realize Peyton Manning is one of
Speaker 2: the only five star, number one high school, number one college,
Speaker 2: number one pick.
Speaker 1: Great. I mean it is a list of about three
Speaker 1: human beings. It doesn't. I think there's a few hockey players,
Speaker 1: Tiger Harper.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it's like six people. Is that
Speaker 2: resilience is really the key to it? Are you thick skinned?
Speaker 2: Do you use that jet fuel that chip to elevate you,
Speaker 2: not corrode your talent. And I think that's that's what
Speaker 2: hurts has and it's what Jordan really uh embodies that
Speaker 2: even if you get the gifts, that's.
Speaker 1: So, let me ask you the Let me just like
Speaker 1: as you said as we're closing, let me give you
Speaker 1: a I don't want to say a counterpoint, but maybe
Speaker 1: in addendum to that, yeah, resilience and slash or never
Speaker 1: being satisfied. Like what I think in almost any industry
Speaker 1: separates the good from the great. Are the best people
Speaker 1: I've ever met in anything are always focused on what
Speaker 1: they are striving for still at this point. And the
Speaker 1: people who maybe could have been in that area are
Speaker 1: the people who actually reach a finish line and say made.
Speaker 1: And that to me is the That to me is
Speaker 1: the and by the way, the people who take a
Speaker 1: deep breath and say made, it might be happier. They
Speaker 1: might be you know what I mean, That might be
Speaker 1: better in a lot of ways. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: the the and I know I put you in a
Speaker 1: weird spot sometimes I don't mean to, but where I
Speaker 1: use you as an example on things, but this, this
Speaker 1: enterprise is an example to be honest of what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. Like you, you reached I believe the pinnacle.
Speaker 1: You don't have to say it, but certainly the pinnacle
Speaker 1: adjacent of the profession of what you've done, dedicated your
Speaker 1: life to. And you didn't say fucking look at me.
Speaker 1: You said, what, Okay, If I've reached this pinnacle, let
Speaker 1: me create, let me do see what's next. You created
Speaker 1: a company and you're trying to do that. And my
Speaker 1: guess is, if at one point, you know, you moved
Speaker 1: on from the volume or whatever, they'd be in different thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. It would be, a real estate
Speaker 1: magnate or something, but whatever it is, I I think
Speaker 1: I think Lebron Lebron. It's not only that he's still playing,
Speaker 1: it's that he has made it very clear. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then I want to own a team. And by the way,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be hands off. I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, whether he will admit this or not, I
Speaker 1: think somewhere in Lebron's psyche is well, if people think
Speaker 1: like me and Jordan are a coin flip, does it
Speaker 1: break the tie If I'm an owner that wins championships
Speaker 1: and he was the worst ever? Maybe like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, like do I and so magic? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know, one of the greatest players in the history
Speaker 1: of the league, one of the most famous people ever.
Speaker 1: I beat a disease that at the time no one
Speaker 1: did not satisfied. How about I become you know, a
Speaker 1: billionaire off business so many of like these these folks
Speaker 1: it is and that is to me, like it's almost
Speaker 1: self feeling prophecy. It's why they became them, because they
Speaker 1: had that in them from the beginning. It's why that
Speaker 1: the the the almost pathological need to always be attempting
Speaker 1: to accomplish a goal is what distinguishes. And to your
Speaker 1: point about resilience, being able to overcome all the bullshit
Speaker 1: that comes in your way and not and this is
Speaker 1: the last point I'll make. And not even when it
Speaker 1: would be legitimate to say ever allow yourself to believe
Speaker 1: it wasn't meant to be you know what I mean, Like, nope,
Speaker 1: it has to be meant to be.
Speaker 2: Well, Martin Scorsese is still still to this minute looking
Speaker 2: for the perfect script trying to make movies. Is that
Speaker 2: it's it's the Irishman was not the final one. Is
Speaker 2: that he's moved by the art he's challenged by making
Speaker 2: the perfect scene of the perfect movie.
Speaker 1: Like I told it was on my ex wife, who.
Speaker 2: I we get along with fine, it's it's pleasant. One
Speaker 2: time she said to me she was a really good
Speaker 2: try athlete, just a college basketball player, good athlete, and
Speaker 2: she said, you know, with my career because we'd moved.
Speaker 2: She said, when isn't enough for you?
Speaker 1: And I? And I said when do you stop running? Well? Right,
Speaker 1: I said, this is in my blood.
Speaker 2: I will talk until and this is I don't know
Speaker 2: the platform, this is, this.
Speaker 1: Is and then and then we we should leave because
Speaker 1: we're talking too long. But when Colin says he'll talk,
Speaker 1: this is my favorite story to tell about you. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know I tell it, but
Speaker 1: there it doesn't happen so much any pre volume before
Speaker 1: you add the volume. I and it was the first
Speaker 1: couple of years I lived in New York. I you know,
Speaker 1: I would get off the air and your show was
Speaker 1: the two shows after mine, because I was in the mornings.
Speaker 1: Then Skip was on, UH was Shannon, and then you
Speaker 1: were on. And so I would get off the air
Speaker 1: and I would eat and I'd take a nap. That
Speaker 1: was basically every single day, and i'd take a nap
Speaker 1: right around the time your show started, so I wouldn't
Speaker 1: always know if you were on or off the air,
Speaker 1: except I did know, because like clockwork, if you had
Speaker 1: a day off, not because you were going out of town,
Speaker 1: but because you were pre empted. I got a phone
Speaker 1: call and you didn't even say huh. You just launched
Speaker 1: into a take because there was something in you. It
Speaker 1: would be like it would be like, oh, Colin must
Speaker 1: not be on the air today, and I'd answer and
Speaker 1: he'd be like, so, here's the thing, and you would
Speaker 1: just go and I was like, that's but that's why
Speaker 1: he's Colin Coward, because he had this this thing in him.
Speaker 1: He knew I would be a rapt audience. And those
Speaker 1: phone calls, I don't know if you remember him, but
Speaker 1: I remember him vividly. They weren't conversations. They were just
Speaker 1: us kind of like a tennis like like tennis partners
Speaker 1: batting takes back at each other. You would give me
Speaker 1: a take, I would give you one back. We'd go
Speaker 1: back and forth and then and then he'd be like,
Speaker 1: all right, talk to you later, and I'm like, okay.
Speaker 1: He got it out of his system. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's why he's Colin Coward. That's true.
Speaker 2: My wife sometimes, you know, it doesn't happen much anymore.
Speaker 2: I'll tell the story with some therapy down the road
Speaker 2: that we we several years ago we had hit a
Speaker 2: really neat place.
Speaker 1: But we don't argue much. We laugh a lot.
Speaker 2: But she occasionally, you know, once twice a year, we'll
Speaker 2: get into it and she'll go.
Speaker 1: I'm not a caller on your phone. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: so hold up. Maybe this will happen at the wedding.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe we'll come to la my wife,
Speaker 1: and then we do have to go because now we're
Speaker 1: talking about our wives or two cocktails and it's too much.
Speaker 1: My my wife when we argue and it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's not a lot, but it's more than twice a year,
Speaker 1: says and I quote, I'm not Bruce Hard like I'm not.
Speaker 1: And she's like, you want to argue. I don't you
Speaker 1: argue for a living? I don't want to. She was like,
Speaker 1: you just want it, like when you're not on TV,
Speaker 1: I'm not your co host, Like that is so yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not a caller. That is Anne and Danielle I
Speaker 1: guarantee if they got in a room without the two
Speaker 1: of us they're just to talk, they would have the
Speaker 1: same stories, just from different vantage points. It's unbelievable. That's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't, they don't. They don't suffer fools. There's no
Speaker 1: bullshit with either of them at all. Absolute. I love you, man.
Speaker 1: We'll do this again very soon. The volume