WEBVTT - Patriots Catch-22 8/7: Joint Practice Observations, Camp Competition, Preseason Preview 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:07.120 This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:12.160 Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre Hell, everybody nailed it. 0:00:12.320 --> 0:00:18.720 Joined as always buy our bar gas. Here is Evan 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.919 Lazar and Alex Bars. Now you can play action. Now 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.079 you can boot, you can move the pocket off of 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:26.400 that that that's how you can protect the quarterback. And 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.160 not only are you protecting the quarterback, but you're protecting 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:31.840 the pass protection as well because you're doing these things 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:36.000 schematically that give the defense pause and force the defense 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.320 to respect the run and respect the actions in the backfield. 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:41.320 So let me just get the stray all of these things. 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:43.239 It's not where I want to be like, it's not 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:44.879 like the end goal. It's not the end. 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:46.680 But you're acknowledging the run can set up the past. 0:00:46.720 --> 0:00:49.360 That whole argument we had this or about saying being 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.080 tough on the line of scrimmage and pushing the defense 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:54.600 around initially can benefit you later in the game. 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.560 I am acknowledging that run actions mean more than just 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:02.160 running the footballs. How did you like that? 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:02.280 For? 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:07.760 Weaseling out of saying that running the football sets up 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:10.800 play action? That was that was pro by me? There, 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.040 You just admitted it. No I saw you did? You 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.320 just admitted I said, except what I said. 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:19.040 Hello, You said that was establishing the run works? 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:23.959 No I didn't. I said that run actions are sell 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:24.920 to the defense. 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.080 That's just establishing the run with that's more worthy. 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:30.959 It's not about but it's not about volume of running. 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:32.640 It's just about showing. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.959 Nobody ever say establishing the run was a volume thing. 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:37.120 How else would you establish the run. 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.320 You have to feed the round, running the football well. 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.360 Or running running it early. Established the run at a 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:42.920 high volume. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:44.840 Yeah, okay, so that the number is not zero. It 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:46.560 doesn't mean run it ten times in a row. 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:50.640 Okay, I don't know. I feel like that's established. 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:53.560 I've never viewed established the run as a volume thing. 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.160 All right, that's a that's a good semantic. 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.640 There are times where I would campaign for volume running 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:00.760 of the I usually say that running the hell out 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:02.720 of the ball or running the damn ball. But when 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:05.080 I say establishing the run, I mean running it well, 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:07.720 not running it. If you run the ball ten times 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:09.400 in a row and all ten runs go nowhere, you 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:10.519 didn't establish the run. 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:12.959 You just ran the ball into a brick wall, right, 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:17.440 which is what the nerds say, is the issue with 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:22.040 the conversation is like you are just purposely three yards 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.160 in a cloud of dusting it because you just want 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:25.320 to establish the run. 0:02:25.440 --> 0:02:29.800 To me, if you know, if your first run gets 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:33.799 stuffed and you'd never try it again, that's stupid too. 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:38.080 Like there's you got to realize when you know when 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.000 you got to kind of make an adjustment. But like, 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.600 to me, establishing the run means, say you run it 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:44.840 like five times on your first drive, right, three of 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:46.560 them go for five plus, one of them goes for 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.000 ten plus. Now in the defense has said, oh crap, 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:51.959 they can run on us. We got to stack the box, 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:53.919 or we can't send as many guys on the blitz, 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:55.680 or we can't put as many guys back in coverage 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:57.200 because they're just going to run on us all damn 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.440 day if we keep doing what we're doing. They've already 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.560 ripped off good ones here in five plays like that. 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:05.440 To me, once you've established that mental sided, that's what 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:07.880 establishing the run is to make. It's making the defense 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:09.680 change the way they approach it. If you run ten 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:11.240 times in a row, the defense stops all of it 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:13.960 and changes nothing. You didn't establish the run, you tried to, 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:14.880 but you didn't. 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.720 So quick story and then well, I promise we'll get 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:19.280 to the real part of the show that was not 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:24.200 This a fun but quick story. So I just humble 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:26.799 Bragg just bumped into the mccordy Twins on my way 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:29.600 in this morning into the stadium because they are going 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:32.240 to be broadcasting the game along with your friend Scott 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:37.200 Zolac on w BZ. I think right Local, CBS Local. 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.160 I feel like you should not the preseason game, the 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.960 preseason opener between the Patriots and the Commanders here at 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:47.040 Gillette Stadium at seven thirty pm Eastern time tomorrow. I 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:50.040 should also say tomorrow, I mean Friday, if you're listening 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:53.680 to this on the on the on demand. And I 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:56.760 should also mention the Tom Brady statue going in tomorrow 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:00.960 Friday before the game. And I believe six is the 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:05.520 kickoff six o'clock in the plaza, so that will be 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:07.600 exciting as well. If you have tickets to the game. 0:04:07.600 --> 0:04:09.280 I think this is an important thing to say. If 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.320 you have tickets to the game, you're actually gonna be 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:16.159 able to watch the Brady statue ceremony on the scoreboard 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.479 and on the on the video boards so you don't 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.159 have to necessarily be in the plaza for that. You 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.760 can watch it as well in the stadium if you 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.560 have a ticket to the preseason game. Enough plugs now 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.760 did the company thing. But I saw the mccordey twins 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.600 and it made me think of this story. Devin said 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:38.039 this story at some point, I don't know when that 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.680 to this play action thing that Vince will Fork used 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:45.080 to tell him before games. Don't be coming up here, 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:50.960 he would tell Devon. He'd say, don't worry about the run, 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:54.320 like I got the run, like you go worry about 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.640 you know what's going on behind me? Right, Like, don't 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.839 be coming up here. And he said that Vince Wilfork 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:06.160 anytime the safeties would like bite on play action and 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.200 start screaming upfield to try to stop the run and 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:11.960 they give up a play because of that, Vince Wilfork 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.680 would just be irate, like he would just get on 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:17.159 their butts for it. He would just be like, do 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.000 not come up here, like do you know who I am? 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:20.279 Right? 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.279 And Vince Wilfork, I will stop the run. You worry 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:28.040 about the receivers not getting behind you. So that's that's 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:29.799 the whole thing, right, Like that's the whole. 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:33.080 That's point is like, if the other team doesn't, if 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:34.760 the safety is don't have to keep come screaming up, 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.080 does the defensive line taking care of the run? You 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.200 didn't really establish the run? 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.760 All right? So let's talk about practice. And I wanted 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:46.120 to segue into that by saying, let's talk about practice, 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.080 because I do think it's worth saying. There's a lot 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:53.520 of positive reviews about what the Patriots did yesterday against 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.280 the Washington Commanders and joint practice, and I don't want 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:57.880 to take away from that. I don't want to rain 0:05:57.960 --> 0:05:59.880 on parades. I don't want to do anything like that. 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:02.560 But we are talking about practice, so I want to 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.479 keep that in perspective. They haven't they're not going to 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:09.120 the super Bowl just yet. Right, We're stacking, We're stacking days. 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.840 With that being said, with that caveat aside, it was 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.000 a really positive day for the Patriots yesterday. I thought 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.440 on both sides of the ball, they competed. I thought 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:22.720 offensively for about ninety five percent of the practice they 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:26.320 had the upper hand on the Commander's defense. Then obviously 0:06:26.360 --> 0:06:28.000 the pick at the end, which I hate that I 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.640 have to put that in there. The yeah, but of it. 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:32.039 All, did you hear me try to explain it on 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.560 Felgrin Maz yesterday. No, but I called it a competitive 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:35.880 interception and got yelled at. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.920 Oh good, good, good way to put it. Competitive interception. 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:41.320 It wasn't in the sense like it wasn't a spray. 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:43.480 It wasn't like, what the hell is he thinking? Kind 0:06:43.520 --> 0:06:45.320 of read he tested a window in a Hall of 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.080 Fame linebacker jumped into it. Yeah, that's going to happen. 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.880 So the most positive point, and I want to go 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.160 big picture like we always do, and we're going to 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.320 go small, go into the details, into the weeds, and 0:06:57.360 --> 0:07:01.680 I have notes, you know, facilitate notes of how like 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:03.800 we're going to hit every position. I promise we're going 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.520 to get into the minutia here. But the big picture 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.120 thought that I had taking away from this was that 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:15.640 I really thought I saw offensively, and I will admit 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.400 that I watch more of the offense and the defense. 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:24.120 Oh good, that'll be a good show. The offensively. I 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:29.160 felt like I was seeing a lot of teach tape 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.680 of the Josh McDaniels offense, like when they ran a 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:34.960 play like this is how the script and this is 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:36.840 how it's supposed to look when we put the play 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.120 up on the video board or on the whiteboard in 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.760 the meeting room, and we say like, this receiver is 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:43.280 going to run here, and that receiver is going to 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.240 run there, and we're going to get the ball out here, 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.040 and we're going to read it like this. Like I 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:51.160 saw a lot of plays where the initial look that 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:55.239 Drake may saw, the initial picture, the initial read was opened. 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.600 The ball is out on time, it was on the 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:01.280 receivers accurately. The receivers were then transitioning and taking the 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.160 ball and making some plays with it and yards after 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:08.120 the catch, especially the tight ends and pop douglas. I thought, 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:13.400 we're just hitting on time in rhythm throws throughout the practice, 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.720 and that was highly encouraging. We saw some play action 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:21.040 mix in there, some McDaniel's classic pull the guard, you know, 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:25.040 play action type plays, pop passes. We saw the little 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:28.000 quick hitters over the middle of the field from the 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:32.079 Mario Douglas just right out of the McDaniels playbook of 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.959 the slot receiver. You know, first down, we're going to 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:37.720 be where balls out first down, we're moving the chains 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:41.760 right where we're ahead of schedule or we're on schedule now, 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:45.600 all of that kind of thing. That was probably the 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:50.240 most encouraging part because I've seen joint practices and years past. 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.439 I know we always talk about the Eagles joint practice, 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.800 but I want to stay away from that practice for 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:57.280 a second, because that was just I'm gonna be blunt. 0:08:57.360 --> 0:08:59.320 That was just a train wreck, right, That was just 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:00.440 an app that. 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:04.319 Was a historically good front against a historically bad line. 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:04.720 Right. 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:09.120 I'm more talking about joint practices two years ago with 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.640 the Green Bay Packers, or I want to say it 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.000 was three years ago with the Las Vegas Raiders, like 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.120 practices that were more competitive than the one last year 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:21.440 that we saw against Philadelphia. Those practices it was like 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.720 blips here and there where, Like Devonte Parker. I think 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.640 in the Green Bay practice, they did like the forty 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.240 five second thing that they did at the end of 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:34.320 practice yesterday, and DeVante Parker got behind the defense and 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.960 they hit one right, and it was like, okay, great, 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.480 but the other you know, ten throws in the string 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.040 work great, right, But they ended it on a high 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.880 note with that same thing with Vegas. They had one 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:50.079 forty five second one minute drill that went really, really well, 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:53.000 at the end of one of those practices in Las Vegas. 0:09:53.240 --> 0:09:57.840 But this practice was like consistent. This looks like a 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:02.199 Patriot offense. Just looks in rhythm. This looks on time. 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:04.959 The line is holding up, Drake May is making the 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.720 right reads, he's making the right throws, the ball is accurate, 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:09.960 it's out on time, it's on the receiver, and we're going. 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:14.040 And that I have not seen in a Patriot joint 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:18.679 practice in quite some time, probably since Brady was here. Honestly, 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:19.160 all right. 0:10:19.080 --> 0:10:21.960 So me and Reese both said that Re said on 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:23.600 the lack of Chean and I said it on Felgrim 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.640 Mez that this felt like maybe their most complete offensive 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:27.760 practice since Brady, and I know when re said it, 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:29.160 he said he was worried about getting caught up in 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.199 the moment. I was, as well, you go back to 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:34.000 I think somebody tweeted at me like jokingly when I 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:35.560 like late in practice and I was like, hey, this 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:37.320 is going great, was like, oh, so is this the 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.360 mac Jones Giants practice. That's a good I mean that 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.079 one's up there. Obviously it didn't mount too much, but 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:43.200 that one's up there, yep. 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:44.600 I forgot about that one. 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.320 That's but no, it's I mean, right in look one 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:50.559 practice best practice, since Brady kind of sounds tungue in cheek, 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.240 but like you're against a team that was in the 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.120 NFC Championship last year, and the Patriots from what I 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.560 saw from the defense too, And I had Matt's off 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:00.960 watching the defense, and he knows what he's watching. So 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.200 we conferred notes and we both agreed that on both 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.720 sides of the ball, the Patriots looked like the better team. Now, 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:07.559 the Commanders were down a few more starters than the 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:12.280 Patriots were, so maybe that was it. But you came 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.280 away from that feeling good. You came away from that 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:17.400 feeling like the Patriots belonged. It's been a minute since 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.880 they've had one of the joint practice was practices, like 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:21.520 you said, where it was like, yeah, that was a 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:22.640 healthy back and forth. 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.920 Yeah, that's exactly how I would describe that as well. 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:30.000 And you know, I was just really encouraged by it 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:33.560 did not look like any element of the offense was 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.440 so catastrophic that they couldn't run the offense, right, Like, 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:38.480 it didn't look like the line was getting whooped so 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.280 they couldn't run the offense or the quarterback just was 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:43.240 in over his head, so they couldn't run the offense. 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.440 So the receivers weren't getting separation down the field, so 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:49.280 they couldn't run the offense. They had all three of 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:53.040 those things were good enough to compete in a game 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.240 or in a practice, excuse me, against a team that 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.480 was in the NFC Championship game a year ago. Now. 0:11:57.800 --> 0:11:59.920 We talked a little bit about this on Patriots on filter, 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.920 like maybe the Commanders overachieved a little bit last year. 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:07.080 There's some of that going on as well, but still 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:09.880 they are a playoff team. They are a playoff caliber opponent, 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.520 and the Patriots held their own and maybe even won 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:14.520 the practice, if you want to do that sort of thing. 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:18.319 So that's my big picture thought, my overall takeaway. Did 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:20.240 you have anything else to add or were you kind 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:21.520 of in the same. 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.200 I just think with Drake, so you mentioned there, like 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.840 the offense as a whole was operational. There were a 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.240 couple of minor things. There were some few more drops 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:29.720 and I'd like to see and there were times I 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:31.719 felt like the offensive line more the right than the 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:33.240 left side. But there were times I felt like the 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:39.040 offensive line wasn't great Drake may made it work. When 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.920 the offensive line got beat. There probably were a couple 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.240 of plays that could have been sacks, and whether it 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:45.559 was him and not in the sense of like it 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:47.160 would have been a sack in a game, sacks like 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.000 we're not even going to count to the sack, because 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:50.320 whether it was Drake getting the ball out of his 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:53.440 hand quickly or moving in the pocket, it felt like 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.240 he was able to adapt when the line was getting beat, 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.640 which again wasn't to this worrying extent, but it happened. 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.160 And I think as we talk about Drake going in 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:02.760 a year two and can he be that guy that 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:04.520 you think of when you think of a top three 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.400 draft pick elevating the talent around you? How many how 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:09.520 much have we talked about that in relation to the 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:11.959 quarterback position here in New England, going back to the 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.000 mac Jones ra right, elevating the talent around you. And 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.600 there's going to be times and we can get to 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.080 the offensive line depth because the starters I thought were fine. 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:23.120 They weren't amazing, they were fine, they were solid. The 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:26.400 backup tackles worry me. And it's the NFL. There's gonna 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.880 be injuries, right, so there might be times when Drake 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.000 May is going to have to elevate the offense, and 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:34.480 I thought he elevated it yesterday, especially when it comes 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.120 to the line and preventing pressures. At times. He was 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:38.679 his own best pass protector yesterday. 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:40.400 So I want to go throw for throw at Drake 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:42.480 in a second. Yeah, I want to say one last thing. 0:13:43.160 --> 0:13:45.839 I think that there's when they hired Mike Rabel back 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:50.360 in January, there was this hope that at the bare minimum, 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:53.319 Mike Rabel was going to bring them back to the level, right, 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.840 he was going to bring them back to a competent 0:13:55.920 --> 0:14:00.240 level of football that their offense especially just has not 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:02.400 looked like the last two or three years, Like, can 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:06.679 we get back to the sixteenth best offense in the league? 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:06.960 Right? 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:10.640 And yesterday I felt like we were there. I felt 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.680 like they were back to being at least a middle 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:20.640 of the road NFL worthy, NFL caliber offense. Now to 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.480 your point, to go from sixteenth to top ten to 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.480 top five or whatever it ends up falling, that sort 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.040 of becomes a question more about the quarterback. In my opinion, 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.320 at least this year, I think the coaching has gotten 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.640 them to a point of competency. I think that's what 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:39.800 coaching does. It sets the floor of your team. Now, 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:43.080 the talent on the roster is the question of can 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:46.800 they get above just middle right? Can they go from 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.480 middling to really good? And that I think will come 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:53.000 down to the quarterback. The things that I saw from Drake, 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:54.720 I'll just want to like go through a couple of 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.240 the throws, because I thought some of the throws that 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:04.920 he made yesterday were really just what's the word just excellent? Yeah, 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.360 just high end place like really good. We would call them, 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:12.960 in pro football focused parlance, big time throws dimes, right, 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.840 that's what we were what we would call it. The 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.640 first one that stood out to me was and I 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:22.400 wish we had video of it to show you guys, 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.800 but unfortunately I don't. I don't have that kind of poll. 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:28.280 I can't. But he to your point earlier about like 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.920 avoiding pressure, there was some pressure coming off the right side, 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.640 off the right tackle, and he had two hands on 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.240 the ball and he almost like you know when basketball 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.320 players like swing through right, he like swung the ball 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.840 through like dodge the pressure, then slid up in the 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:49.000 pocket and then three quarters you know, throw like arm 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:53.400 angle and dropped an off platform like all in one 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.280 motion type of throw at a three quarters angle on 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.160 a crossing route to Pop Douglas. That was just hip 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.000 hop Douglas right in the chest, and I was just like, 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.120 all right, you know that that's a good sign. This 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:08.360 is early on in the practice. Then he on the 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:12.760 next string of plays, he looked off the coverage and 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:14.880 he kind of like pumped into the flat. I think 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.120 it was might have been Trevon Henderson that was releasing 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:19.080 in the flat, and they kind of had like a 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:20.800 little bit of like a look like it could have 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.320 been like a bubble or a screen into the flat, 0:16:23.680 --> 0:16:27.000 and he pumped the flat and the whole Washington defense 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:29.120 went with the pump fake and then he came back 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:30.960 to the middle of the field and I think he 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.240 kind of no looked it to Austin Hooper over the 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.120 middle of the field, and there was nobody within ten 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:39.200 yards of Austin Hooper because of Drake, because of the 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:42.200 coverage manipulation that he was doing. And when I saw 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:46.320 those two throws from Drake, specifically the pocket movement and 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.240 the off platform to Pop and then the throw with 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.920 the manipulation to Hooper like that to me is when 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.720 Drake is feeling it, like you can kind of tell 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.400 there's a there's a swagger and like a playmaking ability 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.400 to it that comes out where you can hell when 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.360 he's sort of in that zone a little bit with 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:05.280 what he's doing and he starts to do some of 0:17:05.320 --> 0:17:08.800 these like minutia quarterback stuff. That's not just how I'm 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.639 sitting here throwing the football. I'm moving the pocket, I'm pumped, 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.840 faking off coverage, and I'm throwing the ball you know 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.840 where they're not. You know, I'm reading the field quickly 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.479 and seeing things happen quickly. And then the throw that 0:17:21.560 --> 0:17:25.399 really I thought cemented the day for Drake May was 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.080 actually a drop by Travon Henderson on a wheel route 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.760 where Drake May dropped it right in the basket, but 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.159 he actually made a throw just to be you know, 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:35.800 not pick on Travon. He actually made a throw to 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.640 Matt Collins as well that was right in the cover 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.320 two hole, right in between the underneath corner and the 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.000 safety over the top, like right in that honey hole 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.879 along the sideline. And he made these like three or 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:50.439 four rows in this band of maybe like six or 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:52.960 seven passes. Yeah, and I was just like, all right, 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.760 like this is he is he's dealing like, this is 0:17:56.119 --> 0:18:00.280 Drake May at his finest. That is that is me 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.359 giving him his flowers. I want to get your taken 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:04.920 and I want to talk about the pick, but let's 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.480 give him his flowers first, because for the ninety five 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.919 percent of the practice I thought he was announced. No. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:11.600 Like I said, I think the team as a whole 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:13.240 was good. And we can get into some of the 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:16.240 other individuals. I'm sure we will, but I think they 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:18.000 were as good as they were because of Drake May. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.000 I think he elevated things more so the line than 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:23.400 the receivers. The receivers did not help him out. Henderson 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.240 had two drops, one of those was in sevens. Mac 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:29.840 Hollins had a couple drops as well, but he elevated 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:31.879 the group. He elevated the group doing some of the 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:33.399 stuff you talked about and some of the stuff I 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.800 talked about. And that's what the year two jump is, right, Like, Okay, 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.560 last year he looked good in a bubble, didn't really 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:42.920 amount to anything, but you saw a lot to like individually. 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.760 Now it's about okay, can those individual traits actually translate 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:49.919 to wins? And that means just making plays even if 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.280 there's plays not there to be made, and not that 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:54.520 there weren't plays to be made yesterday. But again, I 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.760 think you throw, you throw Josh Dobbs out there, and 0:18:57.840 --> 0:18:59.800 no offense at Josh Dobbs. It's just like average quarterback, 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:02.200 right replacement quarterback, you throw Josh Dobbs out there. I 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.080 don't think we're gushing over the offense the way we are. 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.160 I don't. I think, like the one to Austin Hooper 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:10.359 that's not open without Drake, like that was created by 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:11.040 Drake make. 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.560 Yeah, I agree, And I just thought, you know, he 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:18.080 looked really good and that that portion of practice really 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.119 for the vast majority, or even just little things like 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:23.760 throwing with anticipation, like the back shoulder throw at kash 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.359 On Booty. We actually do have video of it on 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:31.000 our Patriots socials, and that balls out like, well before 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:31.720 Booty he's. 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:33.639 Still the route. Yeah, he's still very much in the 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:35.040 in the early stages of the round. 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:37.639 So when a quarterback is trusting it and he's seeing 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:40.960 the field well and he's processing at the right speed, 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:43.359 you see a lot of anticipatory throws, a lot of 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:47.399 throws that are thrown before the receiver starts to break 0:19:47.600 --> 0:19:50.879 or before this receiver gets his eyes back to the quarterback, 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.000 and that's when the offenses are at their most dangerous 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.399 because you know that's the one they're the hardest to defend. 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.440 Yeah, if you will, there's He's made quite a throw 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.640 of the few of those timing sort of placement chemistry 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:04.760 throws this summer. A bunch of Diggs, He's had a 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.760 couple of Booty. It's obviously his timing's more advanced with 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:11.439 some receivers than others, which is not necessarily surprising, right, 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:12.880 He's been working with some of these guys a little 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:14.879 bit longer than Diggs is just a dude. But like, 0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:19.359 I've been impressed where his chemistry is at with some 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:22.520 of these main receivers at this stage. And that that 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:24.520 Booty one you're talking about is a great example of 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:27.640 like that's not something you meet somebody for the first time, 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:29.639 you go out and you throw that, right, that is 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:32.000 something that that's a throw you make because you and 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:34.879 that one specific player, like two of them. It's not 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:37.359 like him and any receiver drilling that. Him and Booty 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:40.240 have drilled that over and over and over, so you know, 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:41.879 he trusts Booty to be at the right place at 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:43.920 the right time. Booty knows when and where the ball 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:45.520 is going to be without having to look for it. 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:47.960 Like that's that's what you want to see. That's how 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:48.840 you develop an offense. 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:53.080 So there are his flowers. That was his bouquet of 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:57.239 roses at the feet for what he did yesterday, the 0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:59.920 interception at the end. I do want to break it 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.240 down and talk about it. I think the biggest thing 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:04.760 that I and I'm not in Drake May's head. This 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:06.960 is just my read on it and based off of 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:10.320 what he said after practice, I feel pretty good that 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.480 this is basically what happened and you know, can talk 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:17.800 about it like this. I think sometimes when he gets 0:21:17.840 --> 0:21:20.280 down there by the goal line, he gets a little 0:21:20.280 --> 0:21:27.159 bit uh excited, over zealous, right like so when he 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:29.800 saw you know, Pop Douglas is working in the slot, 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:31.360 and I want to get to Pop later in the show, 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.000 where I thought was also a clear standout. 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:35.920 Yesterday, best player on the field. 0:21:36.040 --> 0:21:39.920 Yes, So Pop Douglas gets open right off the line 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.000 on a slant and he's open like he's going to 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:43.960 walk into the end zone, and all Drake May has 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:46.320 to do is put the ball on him. And I 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:48.919 feel like Drake just got a little bit like, oh 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:51.280 he's open, you know, like he just gets a little excited, 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:53.919 and he didn't see out of the corner of his 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:57.920 eye that Bobby Wagner was reading Drake's eyes. So all 0:21:58.000 --> 0:22:00.920 Drake may did was he caught the football, went right 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:04.520 to Pop Douglas, and he just brought Bobby Wagner right 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.000 to the passing lane. He brought him right to the party. 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.640 And he said after practice that he needs to look 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:13.320 Bobby Wagner off or maybe start left and then come 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:15.800 back right, but just have some sort of eye manipulation 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:20.320 involved in the process there to make sure that Bobby 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:23.000 Wagner doesn't get there. Instead, what he said he tried 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:24.399 to do is just throw it as hard as he 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.719 could and basically throw it through Bobby Wagner. And when 0:22:27.760 --> 0:22:30.439 you play a really good player like like Wagner, you 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:32.639 called him a future Hall of Famer. I think that's valid. 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:37.960 I think that's that's fair debate. Probably not, but yeah, 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:41.960 so Bobby Wagner just made a really good play on 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:44.760 the football. With that being said, I think there is 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:47.560 a conversation that certainly we bring up a lot on 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:52.720 PU Andduce is the ringleader of this of just finishing 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:58.520 and clutching late and having that ability to put the 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:00.480 team over the top in those moments. And it's now 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:03.040 it's practice. So I'm not gonna sit here and say 0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:05.199 it's the same as him failing to do that in 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:08.960 the game. But we saw this last year and I 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:10.960 looked it up real quick because I was just curious. 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:14.440 No game winning drives or fourth quarter comebacks for Drake 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:17.840 May last year. Jamean Daniels had four of them. I 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:21.040 mean five, Well they say four. I don't know. I 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:23.840 go buy Pro Football Reference. I don't know if it's 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:27.560 four or five. Fine, four is what they have. Jamie 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:32.520 Daniels had four of them. Drake May had zero at 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:36.840 North Carolina. I feel like this was a similar conversation 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:40.560 that they were having about Drake May where he looks 0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:44.080 like an All American or he looks like a franchise quarterback. 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:46.919 Now at this level, from the eye test, you see it. 0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:49.959 You see the tools, you see the ability, you see 0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:52.760 the throwing ability in the in the shot making like 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:55.800 you see, it's all right there for you to watch. 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:58.960 But then when it comes down to it. You're in 0:23:59.040 --> 0:24:00.879 the fourth quarter and you look at the scoreboard and 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:04.040 somehow his team is losing, right, And I feel like 0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:06.399 that happened quite a bit at North Carolina, especially the 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:09.480 second year as a starter at North Carolina quite a bit. 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:11.359 So you just hope, and I'm not saying that it 0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:15.080 necessarily is a pattern just yet in the NFL, because 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:17.879 I think last year it's fair to hold it against 0:24:17.960 --> 0:24:21.080 him completely that they were in those positions. But you 0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:24.679 just hope that that's not gonna become a pattern at 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:26.960 this level. And that's sort of the story, right, is 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:32.399 that this looks the part looks great in shorts franchise quarterback, 0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:36.400 all the bells and whistles, but when it comes down 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:40.600 to clutching late situations, they just don't get over the hump. 0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:42.359 And now I'm not saying that means they're gonna win 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:45.000 four games. Maybe that means that they only win like 0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:47.679 eight or ninezer instead of ten to eleven. 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:50.120 Playoff team look to get to get the playoffs, they're 0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:52.720 gonna to steal some games. Yeah, that usually means winning late. No, 0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:55.440 You're absolutely right, and we saw it in the end stadium, 0:24:55.480 --> 0:24:57.719 and he's got to be better late in those games. Now, 0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:00.400 being better in general will help with that. I think 0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:02.760 it's really starting and finishing. Like he's good in the middle. 0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:05.040 He's just got and if he starts better, you'll have 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:08.199 less of these like late game situations. But that is 0:25:08.920 --> 0:25:10.080 like the next step for him. 0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:12.680 Yeah, I feel like it is. And I mean you 0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:15.800 knew his North Carolina career probably better than me, Like 0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:18.320 did you feel like that was the narrative about him 0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:20.800 at North Carolina too, because I remember in the draft 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.040 that's talking about this a little bit. 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:27.159 The second year more so, but also that program was 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:30.879 that's kind of always been North Carolina, like even before 0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:34.080 Drake May And some programs are just you look at 0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:36.440 them at like Nebraska's another one. You look at Nebraska. 0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:38.399 If Nebraska's in a close game late, I don't care 0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:40.480 who's the quarterback, They're going to lose. That's just what 0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:43.119 they do. I think they had like eight one score 0:25:43.160 --> 0:25:45.280 losses last a couple of years ago something like that. 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:47.840 I don't remember. They had some absurd stat about close losses. 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.639 But like, North Carolina's just always sort of been one 0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:53.440 of those teams that you don't love in a close game, 0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:56.880 and that predates Drake May so hopefully kind of here 0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.600 that's off of him now. And also we'll see what 0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:01.960 Bill can do about that down there, because that's something 0:26:01.960 --> 0:26:03.640 we know Bill's not going to stand for. Just kind 0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:07.080 of on a tangent. But yeah, I guess that was 0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:09.160 a thing during his college career. But I and maybe 0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:11.080 this is just a college football fan and me I 0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:13.240 looked at it more of like that's North Carolina, that's 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:13.639 what they do. 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:16.840 I do wonder if that's something that you can coach, 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:22.159 Like is that something Rabel can realistically because Rabel was 0:26:22.160 --> 0:26:25.520 a clutch player, and Rabel was a winning player. He's 0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:28.720 been a successful head coach with the tight Ends where 0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:30.399 they won a lot of these types of games that 0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:34.480 they probably shouldn't have won at times with Tennessee. Like 0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:37.439 can you instill that in a player? Not saying that 0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:41.000 it's not in there? Maybe it's more like like like 0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:42.440 Rabel just needs to kind of get it out of 0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:45.679 him more, you know, extent, Like you can't create that 0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:47.440 in somebody, like you're not just gonna turn him into 0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:48.800 Tom Brady, right, But. 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:53.120 I do think there are ways to kind of drill 0:26:53.160 --> 0:26:56.040 it into him. And I think there's waste to coach 0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:59.040 around it too, which ideally you don't want to do 0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:01.639 with the quarterback position, but I think you can. There's 0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:05.080 been some quarterbacks who I'm trying to think of an 0:27:05.080 --> 0:27:06.359 example off the top of my head, who are like 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:10.520 not super clutch in college, and. 0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:14.200 I don't think that that was really the narrative on Mahomes, 0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:16.600 Like I don't Mahomes at Texas Tech last. 0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:20.040 Homes was just like Mahomes wasn't like great at Texas Tech. 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:20.280 He was. 0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:22.359 He was good, but he wasn't right, but he had 0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:25.800 he had good production at Texas Tech because of that 0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:27.119 offense in the style of. 0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.600 You to talk about like good production without winning. He 0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:30.720 was definitely one of those guys. 0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:33.879 I think that if you are a Patriots fan and 0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:36.399 you want to Now I'm not say Mahomes has what 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:38.359 three super bowls, Like I'm not saying that Drake May 0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:40.439 is gonna win three super Bowls, But if you're a 0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:44.120 Patriots fan and you're hoping that that doesn't translate, that's 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:46.960 one thing that that doesn't translate from college to the 0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:50.520 pros for Drake May. The active quarterback that I can 0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:52.560 think of that that was like that in college and 0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:55.560 overcame it in the pros is Mahomes. 0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:59.159 I'll give you another one, or it works in the reverse. 0:27:59.359 --> 0:28:01.720 Justin Fields is actually seen as a pretty clutch college quarterback. 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:03.960 And I mean, I don't know how many close games 0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:05.320 he's in because he just hasn't been good, but I 0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:08.240 don't right like, he hasn't necessarily been in that spot. 0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:13.840 So all right, moving on, not a pretty impressive practice, 0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:16.000 I would say from Josh Dobbs, like, I just want 0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:19.439 to throw that out there, not that not that it 0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:21.920 matters that bit much in the grand scheme of things, 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.879 but I just wanted to say that for the credit. 0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:26.080 Where credits do we do that? 0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.240 We talk about the whole roster, right you always get 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:30.120 on me about talking about the whole team. 0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:30.840 That's fair. 0:28:30.880 --> 0:28:33.720 I'm covering the whole day once. But I thought that 0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:35.840 he had a nice practice himself. I got maybe the 0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:38.760 best throw that actually was completed was the slot fade 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:40.640 to Matt Collins at the end of practice, Like that 0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:44.520 was probably the best best completion of the practice for 0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:46.960 either team that I saw, and it was a throw 0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:49.600 by Josh Dobbs, so credit to him. I want to 0:28:49.600 --> 0:28:52.320 talk about the offensive line. I was going to go 0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:54.800 receiver first, but I'm an offensive line guy, so we're 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:58.840 going to go on offensive line first. I was really 0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:02.880 felt really good at coming out of the practice about 0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:06.240 the way that the starting five looked. Now it wasn't 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:10.280 the full starting five. Morgan Moses continues to be a 0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:14.520 limited participant, as he has been pretty much all summer. 0:29:15.200 --> 0:29:18.440 I am I still am small sea concerned about that, 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.080 but I understand like it's a plan, there's a there's 0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.000 a plan in mind, and Rabel has a plan for 0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:27.960 the Morgan Moses and it's year twelve and he's thirty four, 0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.320 and they're just trying to keep them healthy. It's I 0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:32.920 think Carlton Davis is in a similar boat. And when 0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:35.600 Week one rolls around against the Raiders, then Morgan Moses 0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:37.440 is going to be out there and right tackle. That's 0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:41.120 That's what I'm yeah, uh, that's what I'm holding out 0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:44.480 hope for. But really the focus yesterday was on the 0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:46.360 left side of the line. 0:29:46.080 --> 0:29:49.160 Let's see this though on Moses, Like, I'm not concerned 0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:51.440 injury wise. It's not like, oh, there's some secret injury 0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:53.920 they're hiding, and even if there is, he's generally played 0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:56.680 through injuries. In his career. Are you worried at all 0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:59.280 about you know, the five sets of eyes right see 0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.520 through the same set of that thing, the chemistry with 0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:04.480 the rest of the line. When when does he miss 0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:06.320 too much time that you because I mean they still 0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:08.760 have three preseason games and a bunch of practices left, 0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.280 But like, when do you start to worry he could 0:30:11.280 --> 0:30:13.240 be building chemistry with Drake in the line and he's 0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:15.160 missing that opportunity or are you there yet? 0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:18.080 I'm not there yet because I think the one advantage 0:30:18.200 --> 0:30:20.400 is like if it's a tackle, like they're more out 0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:23.800 on islands, then let's say the interior. I think it's 0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:26.120 it's more important in terms of seeing it through the 0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:29.400 same set of eyes with the three guys on the interior, 0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:32.840 because that's they're gonna see the stunts, the picks, the 0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:36.680 actions up front that defenses use to get guys free, 0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:39.880 Like a lot of that stuff happens in between the 0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:42.560 guards and not as much of it happens like when 0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:44.760 you're out a tackle, it's kind of just the guys 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:46.160 out in front of you and you're just kind of 0:30:46.240 --> 0:30:50.240 dancing with the edge rusher. When you have guys coming 0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:53.080 through the a gaps that are blitzing, when you have stunts, 0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:55.880 when you have twists like those things, the games like 0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:59.920 that stuff all usually happens on the interior. So from 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:02.280 that aspect, like, if it has to be anybody that's 0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:04.280 in and out of practice, I'd rather be a tackle 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:08.160 than the guard, if that makes sense. With Moses, my 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:12.040 concern more with him is that it's been better when 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:15.040 he's practiced in full. It's been better of late, So 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:17.320 I'm hoping that this is just a slow build in 0:31:17.360 --> 0:31:20.239 every aspect. But out of the shoot, I didn't think 0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:23.160 he looked great in team when he was out there. 0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:26.840 I thought he looked a little slow. But maybe that 0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:29.160 was him just kind of easing into it and getting 0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:32.600 his timing back and his rhythm back, because it's rhythmic 0:31:32.640 --> 0:31:34.760 position tackle. You know, you gotta you gotta get your 0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:37.720 feet right, you gotta get your cadence correct, you gotta 0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:39.760 come out of the stance at the right time and 0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:42.440 time up the snap count and like all that stuff. 0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:45.640 So maybe it's that is a slow burn in all 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:49.360 fronts with Morgan Moses, which to your point, is not ideal. 0:31:49.520 --> 0:31:52.880 It's not ideal from from that stampo. 0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:54.640 Christ, Yeah, when I say, because I'm with you, I'm 0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:57.320 like little concerned about Morgan Moses. When I say I'm concerned, 0:31:57.360 --> 0:31:59.520 it's not like, oh my god, he's hurt, Like he's 0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:01.720 already hurt in the thirty four year old. He's banged 0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:03.720 up and he can't handle it. I'm not worried with doubt. 0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:05.720 I think when the time comes to be out there, 0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:07.720 he'll be out there. It's about him being on the 0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.040 same page as everybody and being ready. It's just about him, 0:32:10.240 --> 0:32:13.040 you know, getting ready for it. That there's a tipping 0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:14.520 point with rest days, and look, to be fair, they've 0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:16.880 given Carlton Davis a ton of rest days. I don't 0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:20.320 think in terms of a how do I phrase this 0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:22.040 because I don't want to minimize Carlton Davis is doing 0:32:22.080 --> 0:32:25.080 because it shouldn't be like Carlton Davis's assignment is week 0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:27.240 to we study this receiver, learn him, learn what he does, 0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:29.480 cover him. I don't know how much of that he's 0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:32.720 doing it practice. I don't know how deep Carlton Davis's 0:32:32.720 --> 0:32:35.600 assignments are in the playbook compared to maybe what Morgan 0:32:35.640 --> 0:32:39.400 Moses is doing. Right. Yeah, so Carlton Davis, I don't 0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:41.719 think like it hurts him as much missing practice time. 0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:43.400 Does that make sense? Like, I'm not saying that Carlton 0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:44.080 Davis isn't I. 0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:46.200 Feel no, I feel the same. I feel the same 0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:48.120 way about Gonzales. I feel the same way about both 0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:50.800 those corners. Like, as far as I'm concerned with Carlton 0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:54.040 Davis and Christian Gonzales Week one against the Raiders, you 0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:56.480 got to be out there, But until then you're on ice. 0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.520 What are they gaining? I guess in these practice it's 0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:01.560 what they stand to gain in these practices versus with 0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:04.200 Moses gains. I think Moses can gain more of these practices. 0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:06.600 I think it tackled in general, such as Moses. I 0:33:06.600 --> 0:33:08.800 think a tackle can gain more in this setting than 0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:12.440 a cornerback can, especially a veteran to a veteran. With Gonzalez, 0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:14.320 take all the time, Like yeah, we want to take 0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:15.760 all the time they need. I don't want to. You 0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:18.160 don't rush a star player like that back, especially for 0:33:18.720 --> 0:33:22.320 you know, not meaningful games. Speaking of which, did you 0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:25.200 have to like control yourself when Tatum walked out to practice. 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.760 We'll talk without anything. I want to talk about great 0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:30.120 question of Drake made by the way good football talk. 0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:34.560 Listen as every once in a while as a team employee, 0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:36.680 I have to serve up a softball, all right, as. 0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:38.840 About the Duke Q and c rafies. Not a softball 0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:40.640 to those guys, haven't. That's the real deal. 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:42.880 Okay, So I want to I want to stick on 0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:46.680 the topic of BND. Okay, h really quickly. I was 0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:48.240 I going to say, we'll get back to the corners 0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:50.320 and we can talk about that. Let's let's stick on 0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:54.360 the offensive line. So I think the most encouraging thing, uh, 0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:58.360 from this practice on overall was probably the play of 0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:01.440 the offensive line and how a competent they looked, at 0:34:01.480 --> 0:34:04.840 least the starting five. Will Campbell I thought really held 0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:07.440 his own in team. I really I think I saw 0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:11.759 I saw maybe one pressure that he allowed in team, uh. 0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:14.400 But for the most part, I thought he was really 0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:17.880 good in team. Now one on ones, Dietrich Wise and 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:19.600 him kind of went back and forth, and there was 0:34:19.640 --> 0:34:22.200 some splitting of hairs of who won those. 0:34:22.040 --> 0:34:24.320 Reps pressure in team, because there was one where I 0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:26.279 thought Drake may stepped into it as much as he 0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:27.080 allowed the pressure. 0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:28.799 There was one where I thought he got beat around 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:30.359 his edge pretty good. 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:32.000 But we're talking about every ones. 0:34:32.400 --> 0:34:35.560 I didn't really think. I was watching the line pretty 0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:37.359 closely and I didn't really see much of it. There 0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:41.319 was another one where it looked like he went to 0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:45.680 go block the guy and then the rusher slanted inside, 0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:49.080 and then he kicked out and blocked the blitzer coming 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:50.920 off the edge, and he left the inside rusher to 0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:54.040 treveon Henderson. But if you watched it, it looked like 0:34:54.120 --> 0:34:57.600 Will Campbell whiffed. But I actually think he realized like 0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:01.680 mid punch that that was not his guy, and so 0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:03.840 he went and got the other guy. But it looked 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:08.359 in in you know, looked in the live viewing of it, 0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:11.000 that he whiffed on the block, But I don't think 0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:14.319 he actually did. And I actually, I actually been really 0:35:14.400 --> 0:35:17.200 encouraged about how well he picks up blitzes coming off 0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:19.800 of his edge. He's like, really good at that at 0:35:19.840 --> 0:35:22.759 seeing a post snap when a guy is coming off 0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:25.120 the edge and blitzing like a like a slot blitzer, 0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:27.719 a safety blitz is coming off the edge and sort 0:35:27.760 --> 0:35:30.880 of passing his guy off to the interior and going 0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:33.960 out and getting the blitzer. He's really good at that. 0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:36.960 I thought that he had a really nice block. I 0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:39.399 believe it was on Wise actually in the run game 0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:42.360 that sprung Travon Henderson for a nice gain. And I 0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:45.800 think they're going to consistently be able to stretch out 0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:48.440 that left side, whether it's on like a toss or 0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:51.120 outside zone or whatever the case may be, because they're 0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:53.720 gonna have two great athletes over there with him and Wilson. 0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:56.040 So if they're going to run the ball left, I 0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:58.960 expect it to be to the perimeter left. Now, hopefully 0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:03.239 that doesn't become too predictable, but that would be my guess. 0:36:03.560 --> 0:36:05.439 So I want to ask you something about Campbell because 0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:07.680 this is something that and you see this stuff better 0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:11.640 than me, but I feel like a big piece of 0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:14.600 growth for him through these first few weeks. Look, every tackle, 0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:16.680 every offensive line is going to get beat at some point. 0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:19.880 Even the greats will get beat. But what makes something 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:22.719 that can make the greats the greats is if you 0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:26.799 get beat initially, can you recover and mitigate it and 0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:28.960 maybe get beat, but it wasn't a blowby, and you 0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:31.280 buy your quarterback or an extra second, or even you recover 0:36:31.480 --> 0:36:33.560 entirely that you win the rep where you should have 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:37.279 gotten beat. I feel like with Will Campbell he was 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:39.000 just when he was getting beat early in camp he 0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:41.520 was getting beat. That was it. It was clean, and 0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:43.640 he's getting beat less now. But I think the more 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:46.880 encouraging thing for me is even when he does get beat, 0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:49.800 it feels like it's he's able to mitigate it now, 0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:52.880 whether that's just again buying that extra time or he 0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:54.800 had a rep yesterday. I don't remeber who was against, 0:36:54.800 --> 0:36:56.560 but he had a rep yesterday where it looked like 0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:58.880 he was beat. The guy got in his chest, started 0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:01.359 pushing them back. He just kind of sank his weight 0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:03.719 and basically gave the other guy like you want to 0:37:03.760 --> 0:37:05.640 go through me, fine, go through me, Like let's go. 0:37:06.000 --> 0:37:07.520 And he was just too strong for the guy to 0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:10.000 move him. So that's been the most encouraging thing for 0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:12.680 me for Campbell is I don't want to say, like, 0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:14.719 I know this sounds kind of dumb. Ohmencouraged because he's 0:37:14.719 --> 0:37:16.960 getting beat not his bed, but blah. But it's not that. 0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:21.440 It's that when he loses initially, right when the first 0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:24.760 step goes to the defender, the rep's not over because 0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:27.440 he's doing a better job, especially on that outside in 0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:30.000 Wise tried to get him on the outside in yesterday, 0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:32.800 I think got half a step on him, and Campbell 0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:35.440 kind of registered it, reset himself, and he I think 0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:37.640 he came back and he ultimately won the rep. Even 0:37:37.680 --> 0:37:39.560 though Wise had the first half step on him. He 0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:41.520 wasn't doing that at the beginning of camp, and when 0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:43.160 he was getting beat, he was just getting beat. And 0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:46.040 I feel like his recovery ability has gotten a lot 0:37:46.120 --> 0:37:46.960 better very quickly. 0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:50.040 So you hit the nail on the head. Stn't sell yourself. 0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:53.120 Sure you saw it right. The biggest thing that I 0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:55.359 see with Will Campbell when I watch him in pass 0:37:55.400 --> 0:38:02.239 pro is he because of his length, and I don't 0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:02.719 want to make it. 0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:05.160 You don't want to go there. It becomes a whole thing. 0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:09.360 But it's really what it is. He is an aggressive setter. 0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:12.520 So some guys and I say this all I feel 0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:14.520 like a broken record, and I apologize, but it's just 0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:17.200 this is what it really is, the bottom line of this. 0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:20.880 Some guys like Trent Brown is always the poster child 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:23.960 for me of this, are so freaking big that they 0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:26.840 can just sit back in their chair and catch guys. 0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:29.839 They're just gonna sit back, They're gonna clipse the quarterback 0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:32.920 and they're gonna let him come to me because they 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:35.360 can't go through me. I'm too big, they can't go 0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:37.480 through me. So I'm just gonna keep him at my 0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:40.200 fingertips and I'm gonna let him come to me, and 0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.400 I'm gonna sit back in my chair and I'm gonna 0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:44.880 I'm gonna catch him like a baseball catcher would like 0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:48.280 I'm literally gonna catch him right. But with Will Campbell, 0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:51.120 because of his length, if he does if he tries 0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:53.680 to sit back and be patient and let them come 0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:57.479 to him, they're going to consistently establish first contact because 0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:59.120 their arms are longer than his arms. 0:38:59.400 --> 0:38:59.520 Right. 0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:03.040 In order to combat that, what Will Campbell does at 0:39:03.040 --> 0:39:06.960 times is he aggressively goes out and he tries to 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:11.280 be the be the aggressor in the rep. The issue 0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:13.880 with being the aggressor in the rep as a tackle 0:39:14.280 --> 0:39:16.799 is that when you whiff on the punch, you get 0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:22.320 those ugly misses, you get the blowbys because you're overaggressive 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:26.239 and you're getting your weight is getting distributed, you know, 0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:29.360 off balance, and then you're punching and then if you 0:39:29.400 --> 0:39:31.880 don't land your punch, then he's going to blow right 0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:35.880 by you. And I have so he has to figure 0:39:35.880 --> 0:39:38.320 this out in terms of and it's on him, and 0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:41.000 I know that the coaches are helping him with it too, 0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:45.759 to strike that balance of playing within his limitation but 0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:50.040 also understanding that you can still be a little bit 0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:53.040 more patient than what he has been at times to 0:39:53.120 --> 0:39:57.120 avoid those blowbys. Jared Wilson, on the other hand, I 0:39:57.120 --> 0:40:01.800 think is fantastic at recovery when he missus his initial punch. 0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:05.480 I think that's still something that Campbell is maybe trying 0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:07.680 to work on a little bit, is how do I 0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:10.440 recover and keep my base and keep my. 0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:11.960 Better at it. 0:40:12.239 --> 0:40:15.360 I think he just gotten better at it, and I 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:18.800 think that that I don't think that anything has truly 0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:23.400 changed other than him finding out what works, like finding 0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:27.080 that balance and striking that cord of how exactly am 0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:31.440 I going to play at this level with what well, 0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:33.600 you can call him thirty three inch arms with thirty 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:38.400 three inch but this whole can of worms. 0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:41.319 They are the opening the worms is like suggesting you're 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:43.480 lying they are thirty three inch arms. Say it with 0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:45.640 your chest because it is a fact. The NFL got 0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:46.719 the combine measurement wrong. 0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:49.560 Here we go again. How do I play with that 0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:52.839 within that framework? And I think he has gotten better 0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:55.440 at it, and I'm encouraged by what I've seen in 0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:58.560 that respect. But I think that's his biggest issue is 0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:01.880 when he is because of the way that he plays 0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:05.960 the position, the loss has become ugly because of the 0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:10.120 fact that he's setting so aggressively a lot of the time. 0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:13.879 It's like a vertical set too, which is like inherently 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:16.920 a hit or miss thing. And like the best vertical 0:41:16.960 --> 0:41:19.360 setters of all time are like Joe Thomas and like 0:41:19.400 --> 0:41:22.160 the great Tackles right like they they were able to 0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:25.359 master the art of the vertical set and be able 0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:28.879 to do that consistently. And Joe Thomas didn't have quite 0:41:28.920 --> 0:41:30.920 as short arms as Will Campbell, but he was also 0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:33.640 on the shorter side of the spectrum in terms of 0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:36.840 arm length as well, so vertical setting was really important 0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:40.640 for him to master. So that's a technical aspect of 0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:42.520 it all. I thought you you to explained it great. 0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:45.200 I think that Will Campbell's getting better at it. I've 0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:49.239 seen him sort of also like anticipate those inside moves 0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:52.600 a little bit more because he knows that other opponents 0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.279 are going to try to attack that weakness, and so 0:41:55.440 --> 0:41:57.479 he's he's doing a little bit of a better job 0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:00.359 of sliding his feet and recovering to that inside move. 0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:02.799 I keep saying the same thing about Campbell. If I 0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:07.040 was him, I would just continue to trust your feet 0:42:07.120 --> 0:42:11.640 like you have. He has really smooth, great agility. He's 0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:14.560 a really good athlete. He's got great foot speed. Like, 0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:17.120 just continue to trust that you can move your feet 0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:21.719 instead of punching and reaching and over extending, just keep 0:42:21.760 --> 0:42:24.840 your base and just slide, you know, like a basketball 0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:28.160 player defending Jason Tatum out on the perimeter, right, just 0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:30.760 slide your feet and stay in front of him that way. 0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:33.480 I think he's he's growing, like he's getting better at that, 0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:36.920 because this was the same thing at LSU. Like at LSU, 0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:39.200 you know, there was some ugly misses, Like there was 0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:41.640 some ugly whiffs in pass protection on his tape in 0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:45.080 college that a lot of people that were Will Campbell 0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:48.239 naysayers or detractors, you know, would cherry pick just likely 0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:50.040 would cherry pick the good reps right, and he they 0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:52.480 would cherry pick these reps. So it's a it's a 0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:54.719 work in progress, but I think he's getting a little 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:58.000 bit better at it. And I thought, again, well, I 0:42:58.000 --> 0:42:59.680 think it's interesting about him, and then I want to 0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:02.319 move on to Wilson. He is so much better in 0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:04.880 team than he is in one on ones. Campbell, Yeah, like, 0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:06.480 Campbell's so much better in team. 0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:12.800 Say this is me just kind of I don't know, uh, 0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:15.920 making excuses for Campbell or people Will Campbell fanboy or whatever. 0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:19.920 I'm kind of disillusioned with offensive defensive line one on 0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:25.000 ones in this camp because so many times tackles or 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:28.440 not just tackles. Everybody has been beaten with inside moves 0:43:28.800 --> 0:43:30.960 where it's like, all right, if you go that far inside, 0:43:31.000 --> 0:43:32.879 like yeah, you were able to get around him. If 0:43:32.880 --> 0:43:35.200 you go that far inside in the game, the guard's 0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:37.000 gonna be there, and you're just gonna run into the guard. 0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:39.440 Like I don't know, I feel like there's been too 0:43:39.440 --> 0:43:40.799 many of those in this camp for me, and maybe 0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:42.279 that was always the case. I'm watching a closer now 0:43:42.320 --> 0:43:44.759 because of Campbell. This is not just a Will Campbell take. 0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:46.560 I mean I've always felt this way about like the 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:48.759 wide receiver corner, right, it's kind of the same thing. 0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:50.440 We talk about those all the time, where it's like. 0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:54.000 The offensive line. D line ones are definitely more translatable 0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:54.400 to game. 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:57.320 They're more translatable, but again, like if you go all 0:43:57.360 --> 0:44:00.000 the way around inside, yeah, you're gonna run into the guard, 0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:05.120 Like that space isn't there. Now if they actually, like 0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:06.960 so when they do the three on threes, because they 0:44:07.040 --> 0:44:08.560 do in the same setting, but they do three on 0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:10.640 three instead of one on one, that one I like 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:13.160 that one. I can buy a little more. Or if 0:44:13.160 --> 0:44:14.640 they did the one on one and the like the 0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:17.120 guard actually stood there like where he'd stand instead of 0:44:17.200 --> 0:44:19.960 sort of getting out of the way, Like I don't know, 0:44:20.360 --> 0:44:21.800 it's kind of like the one on ones where it's like, 0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:25.239 all right, yeah, the wide receiver toasted the corner, but 0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:27.160 the corner was sitting underneath he went over the top 0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:29.160 in the game, there's a safety there, and that that's 0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:31.719 not actually like applicable. I just feel like there's been 0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:32.520 some of those moments. 0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:34.760 Absolutely. I think the best thing about one on ones 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:38.360 is just working on technique and working on Oh I'm sure, 0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:42.799 but my point is is, like we chart wins and 0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:45.560 losses with one on ones, where I think more like 0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.480 when you practice them as a player, it's more important 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:50.640 of like there's like this thing that I need to 0:44:50.680 --> 0:44:52.879 work on, and so I'm going to work on it. Now. 0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:55.560 When I say I'm disillusioned, I mean as an evaluation tour, 0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:59.600 not on the whole exercise itself value. I was just explaining, Yeah, 0:44:59.800 --> 0:45:03.279 I just like, again i'd weigh eleven on a lie. 0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:04.960 I always wait eleven on eleven more. But I'm like 0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:06.880 even the seven on sevens in this camp have just 0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:09.359 been like, I get why they do them, and they're 0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:13.160 important to do, and I understand that my evaluation is 0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:15.759 based almost exclusively in eleven's I'm really not looking at 0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:17.680 much else of what goes on the one thing. I'll 0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:20.879 look at one on one just like just play power, right, 0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:23.880 can you just physically right? Anchor? 0:45:24.280 --> 0:45:26.919 So with Jared Wilson, I want to talk about him 0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:29.480 a little bit. I just continue to just be wowed 0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:33.040 by Jared Wilson, like he's just as ken Kitten Wallace, 0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:36.520 but he's just really freaking good and you see that and. 0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:38.400 Outl look, that's not exactly what Kadon Wallace say. 0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:39.640 I know, but I have to be a little bit 0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:42.200 more PG than that. I got him to it a 0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:44.520 little bit with Paul about this the other day on 0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:47.440 PU because I was already ready to annoy Jared Wilson 0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:50.160 as an NFL starter and just be like done with it, right, 0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:52.959 and he's, you know, let's wait and see, let's see 0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:54.839 what the whole season looks like, and all that kind 0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:58.120 of stuff. And I suppose that is fair. But when 0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:01.759 you're you know, going up against Doron Pain, you know, 0:46:01.840 --> 0:46:04.799 in a joint practice, and Doron Pain tries to like 0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:07.960 speed the power bowl and just like go right into 0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:11.200 your chest and Jared Wilson just stops some stone cold 0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:13.799 and like doesn't move an inch. Like it's hard to 0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:17.080 not be like this is this is guy can play right, 0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:19.840 Like this guy is pretty right freaking good. As Caden 0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:22.479 Wallace said, you talked a lot about, or we talked 0:46:22.480 --> 0:46:24.720 a lot about and you brought it up with Campbell. 0:46:24.760 --> 0:46:27.800 The recovery talent that that, to me is Jared Wilson's 0:46:27.800 --> 0:46:31.439 best trade. His ability to keep his feet and keep 0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:35.280 his base, uh and then refit the hands like after 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:37.879 if his initial punch gets swatted, because a lot of 0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:40.520 uh what I see a lot with pass rushers in 0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:42.640 the one on ones especially, they try to swat his 0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:44.719 hands out of the way, like two hands wipe and 0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:47.360 like they'll swat his hands and he just has his 0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:51.520 ability to just like, be patient, keep his bass about him, 0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:55.160 move his feet to recover, and then refit the hands 0:46:55.160 --> 0:46:58.000 on back underneath the shoulder blades or you know, the 0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:01.080 the chest pad, and like he just does that and 0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:04.479 just gets his hands underneath the guy and wins the rep. 0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:08.000 And it's it's incredible to watch a rookie. It's not 0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:11.279 so much like like the movement, Like the movement's obviously incredible, 0:47:11.800 --> 0:47:14.799 but it's the it's the hand fighting to me, like 0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:17.919 the chess match of it. He thinks it like he can. 0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:21.680 He's already processing the game at a really high level 0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:25.600 that is beyond what most rookies, especially with his little experience, 0:47:25.680 --> 0:47:30.040 do at this level. And I wonder when I was 0:47:30.080 --> 0:47:32.839 talking to his coaches in Duke Mannyweather when I wrote 0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:37.080 the feature about him after the draft, Duke pointed out 0:47:37.080 --> 0:47:38.759 a really good thing that I don't know if we 0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:43.360 put enough stock into think about the the defensive tackles 0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:47.560 in Georgia practice that Jared Wilson had faced on this 0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:50.520 scout team. So he was on the scout team the 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:53.319 first two years that he was at Georgia, and he 0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:58.880 was facing the starting defense for Georgia in practice every 0:47:58.920 --> 0:47:59.680 single day. 0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:01.719 I think, don't people bring this up with Patrick's or 0:48:01.760 --> 0:48:04.960 tannat Alabama, probably with like the receivers that he faced. 0:48:05.080 --> 0:48:10.000 So he's going up against Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis 0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:14.799 and like all these stud Georgia defensive tackles that we've 0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:17.080 seen come out of the draft the last couple of years. 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:21.560 So he really, even though he wasn't game experienced at Georgia, 0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:24.600 he was kind of like battle tested in a lot 0:48:24.640 --> 0:48:27.960 of ways from those practices. And I see that, like 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:31.920 I see him being wise beyond his years and those respects. 0:48:32.000 --> 0:48:35.560 So I, Paul, I don't know how it's gonna look 0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:37.920 for seventeen games, right, we might be getting ahead of 0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:40.799 ourselves a little bit of putting Jared Wilson into the 0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:43.279 Patriots Hall fam Like I heard that they chiseled a 0:48:43.320 --> 0:48:45.680 statue that's going to go right next to Brady's statue 0:48:45.680 --> 0:48:47.719 that they're going to unveil tomorrow night of Campbell and 0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:51.400 Jared Wilson. But Jared Wilson, I just have been blown 0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:55.319 away by how cerebral and like advanced he is as 0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:58.239 a blocker for this point in his career, and how 0:48:58.280 --> 0:48:59.920 young he is. He's like twenty two years old and 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:03.680 he's already got all these nuances to the position down. 0:49:03.760 --> 0:49:07.000 So I'm really impressed with Wilson. Continued to be thought 0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:10.359 he was good yesterday. The one guy that I thought 0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:12.200 had a little bit of a rough practice was Garrett 0:49:12.200 --> 0:49:13.799 Bradberry at center. 0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:14.920 And he was rotating too. 0:49:15.160 --> 0:49:17.520 This is becoming a little bit of a competition, I 0:49:17.520 --> 0:49:20.240 would say, between him and Ben Brown. And I'm really 0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:22.400 curious to see. We won't really probably won't really get 0:49:22.440 --> 0:49:25.319 a feel for this tomorrow night in the preseason game, 0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:29.120 but once we get into the joint practices next week 0:49:29.120 --> 0:49:33.759 in Minnesota or I'll be with Deuce next week, that 0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:36.520 is going to be really interesting to see if they 0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:39.840 start cutting into Garrett Bradberry's starter reps at center with 0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:43.719 Ben Brown and at what point I know you don't 0:49:43.719 --> 0:49:45.680 want to keep and I'm with you on the whole 0:49:45.800 --> 0:49:48.759 shuffling with the rookies and stuff like that. I think 0:49:48.800 --> 0:49:51.600 at this point, Jared Wilson's probably locked into left guard 0:49:51.640 --> 0:49:54.239 and that's where they're gonna play him. But is there 0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:57.120 any well, do you think about it right moving him 0:49:57.160 --> 0:50:00.520 over one spot if it really goes south with Bradbury. 0:50:00.280 --> 0:50:03.960 Do you think they locked Jared Wilson at center at 0:50:04.080 --> 0:50:06.440 left guard so early because they believe that's his best position, 0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:08.080 because they didn't trust him at center because remember he 0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:09.279 had a couple of bad snaps there. 0:50:09.320 --> 0:50:11.200 I think it's a combination of the I think they 0:50:11.320 --> 0:50:15.360 like the experience that Bradbury brings to center that Wilson 0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:18.640 obviously wouldn't. Yeah, I think it helps a young quarterback 0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:21.120 to have an experience center, and I think that's the thought. 0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:23.719 But if Bradbury can't hold up, he can't hold on. 0:50:23.880 --> 0:50:25.600 So I'm still where I'm at, where I've been at 0:50:25.600 --> 0:50:28.600 with one in dentdum. If you believe Jared Wilson's your 0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:31.160 long term center, I don't see a ton of value 0:50:31.200 --> 0:50:34.320 in playing him at left guard this year. Like if 0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:36.200 you believe he's a long term center and like him 0:50:36.239 --> 0:50:38.879 and Bradbury are essentially a wash, or he's better than Bradbury, right, 0:50:39.560 --> 0:50:41.200 I don't see a ton of value in playing him 0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:44.080 at left guard this year just to get Bradbury in 0:50:44.120 --> 0:50:46.480 there for the veteran Like, like, Wilson's a smart guy, 0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:49.319 he'll learn, he'll pick it up. I don't necessarily worry 0:50:49.320 --> 0:50:51.319 about that. Also, you can probably get a veteran in 0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:54.680 at left guard who can help him. The one addendum 0:50:54.719 --> 0:50:56.320 is if he can't snap the ball, he can't snap 0:50:56.360 --> 0:50:58.240 the ball. If you can't get it back to the quarterback, 0:50:58.239 --> 0:51:00.480 you can't play center. I don't care who you are, right, So, 0:51:01.040 --> 0:51:03.480 if they're worried about his snaps, leave mcguard and maybe 0:51:03.560 --> 0:51:06.680 maybe leave mcgard long term at that point, because he 0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:08.480 hasn't been working on his snaps now that he's been 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:10.440 at the guard so much so he hasn't even really 0:51:10.480 --> 0:51:12.239 a chance to work on that, which gets to the 0:51:12.239 --> 0:51:12.960 development thing. 0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:17.240 But think the advantage of playing him as a rookie 0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:19.479 at guard with the still with the long term plan 0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:22.680 of him. Yeah, playing center is just getting the game experience. 0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:24.280 Yes, he's still gonna have to learn center. 0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:27.839 Yeah, but you're but you're still getting in game experience 0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:29.120 and you're still blocking. 0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:31.680 You do that at center too. 0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:35.400 Right, But at center you have you brought up snapping. 0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:37.200 But then there's also the mental. 0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:39.239 Ass right, So he's gonna have to learn that eventually. 0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:39.840 Yep. 0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:42.960 I'd rather learn it sooner and just get accustomed to it. 0:51:43.320 --> 0:51:45.319 That's fair. I just think that as a rookie. 0:51:45.360 --> 0:51:46.880 But if he can't snap the ball. He can't snap 0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:47.160 the ball. 0:51:47.200 --> 0:51:49.960 I just wonder if the thought process is for his 0:51:50.080 --> 0:51:53.200 rookie year at left guard, he's going to have a 0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:55.680 gap or a guy in front of him. You just 0:51:55.800 --> 0:52:00.000 block that dude, And it's just it's a one one line. 0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:03.600 I'm thinking right like, you're not thinking about, Oh who's 0:52:03.640 --> 0:52:06.080 the mic? Oh who is this blitz coming from? Are 0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:08.000 we in the right protection? Are we in the right 0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:10.719 run fit? Are we like we're not thinking about it. 0:52:10.719 --> 0:52:14.040 We're not thinking about snapping. We're literally just taking our 0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:15.600 gap or we're taking our man. 0:52:15.440 --> 0:52:18.279 And what are you doing? Like, I don't know. We 0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:19.680 don't need to get ahead of the off season. But 0:52:19.800 --> 0:52:21.040 just like I think, if you think he's a center, 0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:23.000 playmate center. If you think he's a guard, playment guard. 0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:25.000 If he can't snap the ball, he's probably a guard. 0:52:25.200 --> 0:52:26.640 If you think he can't snap the ball and it 0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:28.719 was just rough, you gotta gi him opportunities to work 0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:30.719 on it and get better. That's where I'm out with it. 0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:34.160 So with Bradbury, I said this, like, I don't I 0:52:34.200 --> 0:52:36.960 think Ben Brown's a fine player if he's your fifth 0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:39.960 best offensive lineman, and we could argue whether he would 0:52:40.040 --> 0:52:42.960 or wouldn't be in this alignment. If Ben Brown's your 0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:47.080 fifth best offensive lineman, you're okay, You're okay. You're not great, 0:52:47.160 --> 0:52:51.000 but you're okay, You're fine. He'll he'll do enough for you. 0:52:51.120 --> 0:52:53.359 I think I think Garrett Bradbury can be that guy too. 0:52:53.440 --> 0:52:55.680 I think he was that guy took He's taking a 0:52:55.680 --> 0:52:58.280 step back the last two years if he keeps back tracking. 0:52:58.520 --> 0:53:00.160 And Ben Brown's a young guy. Last year was his 0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:02.239 first year of experience, so he comes in now the 0:53:02.280 --> 0:53:03.799 whole of the year of his belt. I've been telling 0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:05.880 you guys not to sleep on Ben Brown. Like I 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:08.760 would be okay if Ben Brown's a week one starting center. 0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:11.040 I'd rather be Jared Wilson, but I'd be okay if 0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:11.640 it's Ben Brown. 0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:14.359 I like Ben Brown's size. I think that's the big 0:53:14.400 --> 0:53:16.160 thing that stands out to him is that he's a 0:53:16.160 --> 0:53:19.399 bigger center compared to brad Berry. So he just takes 0:53:19.480 --> 0:53:21.759 up more space and he's harder to move and all 0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:25.040 that good stuff. And that alone at a position like 0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:28.080 center can be helpful just because it's really that's what 0:53:28.120 --> 0:53:31.160 it is, right, Like it's just don't get pressed back 0:53:31.160 --> 0:53:34.160 into the pocket, right And so if he can do that, 0:53:34.280 --> 0:53:38.359 then that's helpful now. But Bradberry specifically, I just saw 0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:40.319 him and Eddie Goldman. I tried, I had to look 0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:42.640 it up. I forgot who the freaking commander's nose tackles. 0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:46.160 But Eddie Goldman's like a veteran nose tackle. He's a solid, 0:53:46.560 --> 0:53:49.920 rotational run stuffer, exactly what you think of in your 0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:55.040 prototypical NFL NOS tackle. And I just thought in one 0:53:55.080 --> 0:53:57.400 on ones and then a little bit in team you 0:53:57.520 --> 0:53:59.680 just see brad Berry on skates like you see him 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:02.319 trying to your point earlier, like trying to put his 0:54:02.320 --> 0:54:04.680 feet in the ground and anchor. And it's not that 0:54:04.719 --> 0:54:09.520 he's losing these reps in a hurry. It's that after 0:54:09.719 --> 0:54:12.120 like the second or third step, he starts to get 0:54:12.120 --> 0:54:15.200 pushed back and starts to strain and isn't able to 0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:18.040 put his feet in the ground and drop anchor. That's 0:54:18.080 --> 0:54:20.080 the concern with him now. On the one hand, like 0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:22.799 it's I don't see him getting like blown by in 0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:25.680 pass protection, you don't really get blown by the center, 0:54:25.800 --> 0:54:28.200 but he's getting overpowered, which is center like if you 0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:31.680 can't if he can't take the nose tackle and put 0:54:31.680 --> 0:54:33.680 his feet in the ground and dig in and anchor 0:54:34.080 --> 0:54:37.560 against NFL caliber nose tackles. Then it's hard to survive 0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:38.680 that center with That. 0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:40.120 Goes back to my point about the one on ones, 0:54:40.160 --> 0:54:42.759 like you can't really run around a center. Yeah, that's 0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:46.280 not something if that other people screwed up, right, right, 0:54:46.360 --> 0:54:49.480 So I will say one more thing on Ben Brown though. Yep, 0:54:49.960 --> 0:54:52.080 and we haven't even mentioned cole Strange at this point. 0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:55.399 Them playing Ben Brown at guard is not good news 0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:57.840 for Cole Strange because what this is gonna come down to, 0:54:57.880 --> 0:54:59.880 Evan if we can do a little mini roster projection 0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:02.560 sort of thing here. Yeah, there's kind of been a 0:55:02.560 --> 0:55:06.120 clear line of demarcation between the linemen. They're gonna keep 0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:08.680 in the linemen they aren't gonna keep right, So you're 0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:12.799 starting five. Everybody's healthy. Campbell, Moses Wilson own Wen now 0:55:12.840 --> 0:55:14.799 and will say Bradbury for now, right, So that's your 0:55:14.800 --> 0:55:18.040 starting five. They're gonna keep Marcus Bryant the way they've 0:55:18.080 --> 0:55:20.919 been using him, encouraged by Marcus Bryant. Uh, They're gonna 0:55:20.960 --> 0:55:22.399 keep Marx Brant the way they've us him. They're gona 0:55:22.440 --> 0:55:26.120 keep Kaden Wallace the way they've been using him. It's 0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:29.120 either gonna be Demontrey Jacobs or maybe they go out 0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:32.480 and they get a true left tackle during waivers because 0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:34.440 they don't have a real backup left tackle right now. 0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:38.440 Maybe it's Marcus Bryant. Maybe it's not tvd Well he's 0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:40.480 has he even repped with the second unit. 0:55:40.520 --> 0:55:43.120 Yeah no, but I'm just saying left tackle like I am. 0:55:43.200 --> 0:55:44.560 I'm with everybody that he can. 0:55:45.640 --> 0:55:47.200 Out of sight, out of mind, can't make a club 0:55:47.239 --> 0:55:50.239 from the top or Derek Fine. So they're gonna keep 0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:54.800 the left tackle TBD, Demantre Jacobs, Vederian Lowe a waiver 0:55:54.840 --> 0:55:55.560 signing something. 0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:57.040 I think you need. You only need one of those 0:55:57.040 --> 0:55:58.600 two guys. I don't think you need both because I 0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:01.520 think a point Marcus Brant enough that he's he makes it. 0:56:01.960 --> 0:56:04.240 Yeah, okay, so maybe this change is my take, But Campbell, 0:56:04.280 --> 0:56:10.400 Moses Wilson, and WHENU Bradbury, Bryant, Caden Wallace. Yeah, I 0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:12.799 still think they're keeping another tackle. That's eight, So now 0:56:12.840 --> 0:56:15.319 you're at nine. It's Ben. It's basically Ben Brown and 0:56:15.320 --> 0:56:17.520 Cole Strange for the last spot in my mind, and 0:56:17.640 --> 0:56:21.040 I the advantage Cole Strange had in that matchup is 0:56:21.080 --> 0:56:24.560 Ben Brown was exclusively a center and Cole Strange maybe 0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:26.239 it wasn't a great center, but he played it and 0:56:26.239 --> 0:56:29.080 he could play garden center. Well, now if Ben Brown 0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:32.240 can also play garden center and they're both left guard 0:56:32.440 --> 0:56:34.919 center highbrids, now it's just a sprint to the finish. 0:56:34.920 --> 0:56:39.640 Who's a better player? Am I you? Ben Brown? Am 0:56:39.640 --> 0:56:40.040 I wrong? 0:56:40.360 --> 0:56:41.880 No? But that's just such a tough I. 0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:45.759 Want to pick on him. But like when I say, 0:56:45.760 --> 0:56:47.520 who's a better player, who's been better in this camp 0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:47.839 so far? 0:56:48.520 --> 0:56:48.719 Yeah? 0:56:48.760 --> 0:56:49.920 Be close. 0:56:50.000 --> 0:56:51.920 I thought Cold Strange had a rough day yesterday. 0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:54.239 It's close, and I don't think that that. You know, 0:56:54.239 --> 0:56:57.279 I'm not slamming that shut. Maybe Cole Strange comes out 0:56:57.320 --> 0:56:59.960 and it is awesome tomorrow and we're we're reopening the conversation. 0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:04.359 But the advantage Cole straight Strange had was positional versatility. Right, 0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:06.879 Maybe Brown, Maybe Ben Brown can't play guard, maybe sucks 0:57:06.880 --> 0:57:07.920 at it, and then that changes it. 0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:09.200 But like he's got the body type. 0:57:09.280 --> 0:57:11.200 If he comes out here tomorrow, Ben Brown plays a 0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:14.400 really good left guard. I mean, are you keeping Cole 0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:16.400 Strange as a ninth lineman? 0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:16.960 No? 0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:22.240 Right, So that's kind of an And this is for 0:57:22.400 --> 0:57:26.120 like this show. Take right, Ben Brown getting reps pack 0:57:26.200 --> 0:57:28.040 up left guard is actually kind of a big deal 0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:30.280 when it comes to the roster because it puts Cole 0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:32.080 Strange on the bubble where otherwise he might not have 0:57:32.080 --> 0:57:32.360 been there. 0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:34.000 Yeah. No, I'm totally with you on that. 0:57:34.400 --> 0:57:36.160 I guess the caveat would be the same thing I 0:57:36.200 --> 0:57:39.000 said for Jared Wilson. If Ben Brown outright wins the 0:57:39.040 --> 0:57:41.760 center job and Garrett Bradbury doesn't want to be here 0:57:41.760 --> 0:57:44.880 as a backup, well now Cole Strange is your backup center. 0:57:45.120 --> 0:57:46.520 So Garrett Bradbury is. 0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:48.640 Yeah, yeah, I know what you meant. I'm with you 0:57:48.640 --> 0:57:51.480 one hundred percent with that. That is exactly how I 0:57:51.520 --> 0:57:53.840 took the Ben Brown at left guard thing I practice 0:57:53.880 --> 0:57:55.320 the other day was they're trying to see if he 0:57:55.360 --> 0:57:57.320 can play guard too, because if you're going to make 0:57:57.320 --> 0:58:00.200 the team as a backup, and especially if you're going 0:58:00.240 --> 0:58:03.120 to be active on game day as a top interior backup, 0:58:03.360 --> 0:58:05.600 you have to be able to play all three positions. Yeah, 0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:09.160 because normally you're not going to have two backup interior 0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:12.120 offensive lineman active on game day. Normally they just go 0:58:12.240 --> 0:58:14.360 with one. So if they're going to do that, then 0:58:14.360 --> 0:58:16.400 you have to be able to play all three spots. 0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:18.919 So they're trying to see if Ben Brown can play 0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:21.720 guard so that if he's the top backup on game day, 0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:23.880 they know that he can play all three and even if. 0:58:23.800 --> 0:58:25.080 They have too, Like I think they're going to have 0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:27.240 this weird setup where Cayden Wallace is going to be 0:58:27.280 --> 0:58:29.040 like a backup right guard, right tackle. 0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:33.440 I actually think that that's a great idea for Caden Wallace, 0:58:33.440 --> 0:58:35.880 and I know that we all sort of thought because 0:58:35.880 --> 0:58:37.760 of where he was drafted, you hope that he could 0:58:37.760 --> 0:58:43.560 become a starter. But if you drafted like a two 0:58:43.680 --> 0:58:48.480 position backup that's or a top backup at two different positions, 0:58:48.840 --> 0:58:51.800 and he ends up being like a guard tackle flex 0:58:51.840 --> 0:58:56.640 who's really a right side player primarily, it's not ideal 0:58:56.680 --> 0:58:58.800 for a top one hundred pick, but it's not the 0:58:58.800 --> 0:59:01.880 worst case scenario. At least at least you got like 0:59:01.920 --> 0:59:04.600 a good like sixth or seventh offensive lineman out of 0:59:04.600 --> 0:59:06.440 the pick. I could live with it. I could live 0:59:06.480 --> 0:59:08.640 with it. It wasn't like he was drafted fourth overall like 0:59:08.720 --> 0:59:11.560 Will Campbell, right like, you can live with that being 0:59:11.880 --> 0:59:15.120 Kayden Wallace's career path. I want to talk about Marcus 0:59:15.160 --> 0:59:21.200 Bryan because I'm I'm getting more and more encouraged about 0:59:21.240 --> 0:59:24.520 Marcus Brian. I'm gonna give this take to so I'm 0:59:24.520 --> 0:59:27.439 gonna give this take today and then tomorrow he's gonna 0:59:27.440 --> 0:59:29.080 play a ton in the preseason game. We'll see how 0:59:29.080 --> 0:59:32.000 it goes. How about that, because we'll see like this, 0:59:32.200 --> 0:59:34.160 he's gonna play a ton tomorrow. We know that all 0:59:34.200 --> 0:59:36.520 these rookies are probably gonna play a little bit. Uh, 0:59:36.840 --> 0:59:40.680 and especially the back of the draft rookies like Marcus 0:59:40.720 --> 0:59:43.080 Bryan is drafted in the seventh round. I expect to 0:59:43.080 --> 0:59:44.880 see a lot of him, and I'm excited to see 0:59:44.920 --> 0:59:46.760 what it looks like on tape because I feel like 0:59:47.160 --> 0:59:50.080 his past protection has been pretty decent when he's out 0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:52.400 there at right tackle. The thing that I like so 0:59:52.480 --> 0:59:55.360 much about Marcus Bryan is his flexibility. We're just talking 0:59:55.400 --> 0:59:58.400 about this with the guards. He played left tackle in 0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:01.840 college opposite arm On Membu at Missouri, and now they're 1:00:01.880 --> 1:00:04.120 training him to play right tackle. So we know he. 1:00:04.440 --> 1:00:06.240 Started at right tackle for a year and a half 1:00:06.240 --> 1:00:08.280 in college at SMU before transferred. 1:00:07.920 --> 1:00:09.920 So we know he can play ball. He might be 1:00:09.960 --> 1:00:12.400 a true swing tackle and if he's a true swing tackle. 1:00:12.440 --> 1:00:13.280 That's a home run pick. 1:00:13.360 --> 1:00:14.480 That's tremendous value. 1:00:14.560 --> 1:00:16.960 Yeah, have you drafted a swing tackle if you drafted 1:00:17.000 --> 1:00:20.320 the next likely Adrian Waddle? You know I loved in 1:00:20.360 --> 1:00:23.960 the seventh round. Uh great pick. Yeah, great pick. And 1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:26.360 I'm hoping that that's what they got out of Marcus Briant. 1:00:26.360 --> 1:00:27.560 But you thought he had a little bit of a 1:00:27.600 --> 1:00:28.280 rough day yesterday. 1:00:28.360 --> 1:00:29.920 Uh yeah, I thought he got blown by a couple 1:00:29.960 --> 1:00:34.000 of times. That I mean, I thought he got blown 1:00:34.000 --> 1:00:35.520 by a couple times. Demontre Jacobs didn't have a good 1:00:35.560 --> 1:00:37.080 day either. I just thought the backup tackles as a 1:00:37.080 --> 1:00:40.560 whole just and I'm worried about their tackle depth overall. 1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:42.440 Well, that's why I'm worried about it too, And that's 1:00:42.480 --> 1:00:44.280 why I'm sort of hoping that this thing with Marcus 1:00:44.320 --> 1:00:47.680 Bryant six because he's he looks to me, just based 1:00:47.720 --> 1:00:52.640 off the practices, I think he's already uh cleared Demontree Jacobs, Yes, 1:00:52.840 --> 1:00:56.000 which I understand that's not the bar, but for a backup. 1:00:55.640 --> 1:00:57.880 That is kind of Yes, he's the top backup. Yeah, 1:00:57.880 --> 1:00:59.880 he drafted him to be your backup tackle. He's cleared 1:00:59.880 --> 1:01:03.400 the Yeah, he's a rookie, and there's inherent unknowns that 1:01:03.440 --> 1:01:06.680 come with that and after him, especially on the left side, 1:01:07.640 --> 1:01:09.640 because when they drafted him, we all thought he was 1:01:09.640 --> 1:01:11.919 the right tackle. Yep, right, we all thought, all right, 1:01:11.960 --> 1:01:14.800 maybe he's a long term project behind Morgan Moses, maybe 1:01:14.800 --> 1:01:17.880 he becomes that backup swing tackle. But like he profiles 1:01:17.920 --> 1:01:20.360 like a right tackle in the Patriots system. So you 1:01:20.440 --> 1:01:23.920 look at that and it's like, okay, who's so who 1:01:24.000 --> 1:01:26.640 who like Evan today? Who's their backup left tackle? 1:01:29.600 --> 1:01:32.320 I still think it's probably ve Darien Lowe And okay, he's. 1:01:32.200 --> 1:01:35.640 The guy who's done three practices all with the third team. Yeah, 1:01:35.720 --> 1:01:36.880 who wasn't good last year? 1:01:37.480 --> 1:01:38.600 He was not good last year. 1:01:38.640 --> 1:01:41.120 Right, So they don't have a backup left tackle. They don't. 1:01:41.160 --> 1:01:44.280 This is but this comes that's Bryant. That's great. After that, 1:01:44.280 --> 1:01:47.560 that pipeline drives it like sure, but they can still play. 1:01:48.040 --> 1:01:49.840 But I think the one thing I would just say 1:01:49.840 --> 1:01:53.360 that to kind of play Devil's advocate to that, how 1:01:53.360 --> 1:01:55.000 many teams have four good tackles? 1:01:56.760 --> 1:01:57.560 All right, that's fair. 1:01:57.600 --> 1:01:59.280 How many teams have two good tackles? 1:01:59.560 --> 1:02:02.080 Very few? But I just when you have a thirty 1:02:02.120 --> 1:02:03.560 four year old on one side and a rookie on 1:02:03.640 --> 1:02:03.880 the other. 1:02:04.440 --> 1:02:06.160 It's a fair concern. But I would say that that 1:02:06.560 --> 1:02:08.040 is my concern with the entire team. 1:02:08.040 --> 1:02:10.720 If Marcus Bryant, yeah, I have depth concern. He's about 1:02:10.720 --> 1:02:11.280 a lot of positions. 1:02:11.320 --> 1:02:11.680 That's fair. 1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:15.520 If Marcus Bryant can be like Adrian Waddell, I'm with you, like, great, 1:02:15.720 --> 1:02:18.040 that'd be great, that would be excellent, that would be okay. 1:02:18.480 --> 1:02:20.680 If you need him to spot start for Morgan Moses 1:02:20.720 --> 1:02:22.840 in a couple of games, great, You know he can 1:02:22.840 --> 1:02:24.720 fill in on both sides whenever you need him. He 1:02:24.760 --> 1:02:27.360 allows you to carry You don't have to carry four tackles, 1:02:27.400 --> 1:02:31.120 you can just carry three and really like you will 1:02:31.160 --> 1:02:33.680 still have a backup right tackling Kyan Wallace, even if 1:02:33.680 --> 1:02:35.800 he's counted as a guard, so you're gonna have three 1:02:35.800 --> 1:02:37.360 and a half tackles, which would be fine. He just 1:02:37.360 --> 1:02:38.440 needs to be able to play a little bit on 1:02:38.440 --> 1:02:39.000 the left side. 1:02:39.120 --> 1:02:41.040 Yeah, there you go the whole all right. 1:02:41.080 --> 1:02:44.320 Well, you know if Arma on Memmick couldn't be moved 1:02:44.400 --> 1:02:46.400 and he's so good at right, well, why don't they 1:02:46.400 --> 1:02:48.440 just draft the guy that was on the left side instead? 1:02:49.720 --> 1:02:51.920 Maybe that maybe that there was something to that whole thing. 1:02:52.320 --> 1:02:55.560 He is, uh, he is the exact type of offensive 1:02:55.560 --> 1:02:58.600 lineman that if you're a line coach you want to 1:02:58.600 --> 1:03:02.840 work with. He's six seven, three ten pounds with really 1:03:03.080 --> 1:03:06.600 really high end athleticism. So if you can just teach 1:03:06.640 --> 1:03:08.760 them the position and coach them up on technique and 1:03:08.800 --> 1:03:10.840 all that good stuff, He's got all of the tools 1:03:10.840 --> 1:03:13.560 in the world and from a physical standpoint to be 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:16.400 a serviceable NFL tackle, they just got to get him there. 1:03:16.560 --> 1:03:19.480 They's got to coach them up. And hopefully with this 1:03:19.640 --> 1:03:22.440 coaching staff, it's they have the coaching that can do that, 1:03:22.600 --> 1:03:25.480 you know, with Morone and the seventeen offensive line coaches 1:03:25.480 --> 1:03:27.800 that they have now, like, hopefully they can get guys 1:03:27.840 --> 1:03:30.720 to that point. Hopefully we're back in the world where 1:03:30.960 --> 1:03:34.280 you know Lee Adrian Waddell or you know Cam Fleming 1:03:34.720 --> 1:03:37.320 or whatever like that's back in play, Like they can 1:03:37.400 --> 1:03:40.840 develop those kinds of players again, That's that's the hope. 1:03:40.920 --> 1:03:44.160 And I see that maybe happening before our eyes a 1:03:44.200 --> 1:03:45.360 little bit with Marcus Priyant. 1:03:45.400 --> 1:03:46.160 Well that's encouraging. 1:03:46.280 --> 1:03:49.600 So that's the offensive line. I want to talk about 1:03:49.680 --> 1:03:51.320 receivers and I promise we are going to talk a 1:03:51.360 --> 1:03:53.720 little bit about defense as well, but I want to 1:03:53.720 --> 1:03:55.480 talk about their receivers, and then I want to take 1:03:55.520 --> 1:03:57.520 some calls because I know these people have been waiting 1:03:57.560 --> 1:03:59.480 for a while. Can I start on the receivers, Yes, 1:03:59.560 --> 1:03:59.880 you can. 1:04:00.560 --> 1:04:01.520 You owe me an apology. 1:04:01.760 --> 1:04:03.800 I owe you an apology about. 1:04:03.520 --> 1:04:07.160 What I gave a take three days in a camp. 1:04:07.800 --> 1:04:08.480 You gave a take. 1:04:08.560 --> 1:04:11.120 I gave a take that. Hey, by the way, it 1:04:11.160 --> 1:04:14.160 wasn't a loud take. It wasn't a hint banging the 1:04:14.200 --> 1:04:14.680 table take. 1:04:14.760 --> 1:04:16.320 Well, now you're gonna say it with your chest, so 1:04:16.360 --> 1:04:17.160 say it with your chest. 1:04:17.280 --> 1:04:19.080 I said at the time, Javon Baker was having a 1:04:19.120 --> 1:04:19.840 good start to camp. 1:04:19.920 --> 1:04:23.360 You did, and everybody, well, I wasn't on the show 1:04:23.440 --> 1:04:24.240 that laughed at you know. 1:04:24.400 --> 1:04:26.400 You came up to me after and laughed at me. Yeah, 1:04:27.080 --> 1:04:29.040 you texted me and you laughed at me. And I 1:04:29.080 --> 1:04:31.120 still don't know whether or not Chevon Baker's. 1:04:30.800 --> 1:04:32.440 Making everybody's just laughing at it. 1:04:32.440 --> 1:04:34.640 I still don't know whether not Chevon Baker's making the team. 1:04:34.920 --> 1:04:36.440 But he's a hell of a lot closer than he 1:04:36.480 --> 1:04:37.840 was at the start of camp. I'll tell you that. 1:04:38.080 --> 1:04:40.000 So I wanted to go a big picture on the 1:04:40.080 --> 1:04:42.240 receivers for a second, and then go a little picture again. 1:04:42.920 --> 1:04:44.640 So let's zoom out for a second when we can 1:04:44.640 --> 1:04:45.960 get to your Javon Baker take. 1:04:46.400 --> 1:04:49.160 I'm just saying I'm starting three years doing Taekwon. It 1:04:49.160 --> 1:04:52.000 never caught on. I just sort of off the cuff. 1:04:52.280 --> 1:04:53.880 Give one, Jon Baker taken. 1:04:53.640 --> 1:04:55.760 It, and every and everybody roasted you for it. 1:04:56.040 --> 1:04:59.240 I'll give you that they're doing Taekwon against any bo. 1:05:00.280 --> 1:05:02.640 This is what Taekwon does. This is this is. 1:05:04.720 --> 1:05:07.840 Taekwon's time to shine. This isn't real football. This is 1:05:07.840 --> 1:05:11.200 Taekwon's time to shine. OTAs in training camp is like 1:05:11.320 --> 1:05:13.720 Taekwon Thornton might as well be Randy freaking Moss at 1:05:13.760 --> 1:05:14.480 this time of year. 1:05:14.800 --> 1:05:15.680 Like this isn't hurt. 1:05:15.920 --> 1:05:18.720 Yeah, this is what he does. And then he'll land 1:05:18.760 --> 1:05:20.640 on his collar bone trying to catch a pass and 1:05:20.680 --> 1:05:22.360 he'll get hurt and he'll be out for six weeks. 1:05:22.880 --> 1:05:25.400 This is what Taekwon does. Back to the are the 1:05:25.480 --> 1:05:29.439 receivers that are currently on the Patriots roster. The question 1:05:29.480 --> 1:05:31.640 that I have with you at wide receiver because I 1:05:31.840 --> 1:05:34.600 I've been on some of some shows over the last 1:05:34.640 --> 1:05:38.000 couple of weeks. I was in your spot yesterday on 1:05:38.040 --> 1:05:41.640 the On the Crossover podcast on my old stomping grounds 1:05:41.640 --> 1:05:45.520 on Seal n S. There's a there's some buzz building 1:05:45.560 --> 1:05:49.680 for this wide receiver room, that this wide receiver room 1:05:50.080 --> 1:05:53.920 might actually be legit, not just competent, but might actually 1:05:53.920 --> 1:05:56.480 be legit. Like I feel like there's people that are 1:05:56.520 --> 1:05:58.560 now starting to come out of the woodwork and say, 1:05:59.120 --> 1:06:02.160 maybe we should start rating this Patriots wide receiver room 1:06:02.840 --> 1:06:04.680 a little bit with a little bit more of respect, 1:06:04.760 --> 1:06:08.800 Like where are you on that? Because it's better than 1:06:08.840 --> 1:06:11.440 it's been and there's no doubt about that. But I 1:06:11.680 --> 1:06:14.360 might not be ready to all of a sudden start 1:06:14.400 --> 1:06:18.120 talking about like this is like a top half of 1:06:18.160 --> 1:06:20.280 the league wide receiver room or wherever you want to 1:06:20.320 --> 1:06:22.600 put that. You understand what I'm getting at, because I 1:06:22.600 --> 1:06:24.720 feel like we're sorry to get into that categy. 1:06:24.800 --> 1:06:27.320 Here's the thing. I think we're done with the conversation 1:06:27.360 --> 1:06:29.479 about are they like the worst room in the league 1:06:29.520 --> 1:06:31.520 right or at the bottom five. We got a really 1:06:31.560 --> 1:06:34.920 good example of just how far they've come. That commander's 1:06:34.920 --> 1:06:36.600 wide receiver room blows. 1:06:36.760 --> 1:06:39.880 Okay, well, Terry McLarin, Well, then on ter McLaren right now, Well, 1:06:39.880 --> 1:06:40.720 he will be out there. 1:06:41.200 --> 1:06:45.000 Everybody else besides him. They nobody got opened yesterday, zach 1:06:45.120 --> 1:06:48.720 Ertz did none otherwise. Did they have one instance of 1:06:48.760 --> 1:06:51.720 a receiver getting separation with the first team with the 1:06:51.760 --> 1:06:53.840 Patriots top two corners out. 1:06:53.720 --> 1:06:57.440 Yeah, I mean they had a one that they have, 1:06:57.520 --> 1:06:59.280 like a I think he's a UDFA that they're all 1:06:59.320 --> 1:07:02.160 pretty high on. He like he Moss Marcus Jones at 1:07:02.160 --> 1:07:02.600 one point, but. 1:07:02.640 --> 1:07:05.560 It sounds like us, Oh, the DFA Moss the five 1:07:05.600 --> 1:07:09.040 eight corner. There's hope. Yeah, we've been in those shoes, right. 1:07:09.120 --> 1:07:12.200 Yeah, but I got clipped for making fun of the 1:07:12.240 --> 1:07:14.280 Commander's receiver room, So I'm gonna be careful. 1:07:14.560 --> 1:07:16.560 The point the point, the point being like we're not 1:07:16.560 --> 1:07:18.360 there anymore. Are they the best room in the league? No? 1:07:18.440 --> 1:07:19.960 Are they the worst room in the league? Definitely not. 1:07:20.000 --> 1:07:23.360 I think it's a representative room. Stefan Diggs, if he 1:07:23.520 --> 1:07:27.240 is truly as healthy as he looks, right, Stefan Diggs 1:07:27.320 --> 1:07:30.760 raises the level of that, and that's important. But I 1:07:31.040 --> 1:07:32.920 gotta give here's what it. So, I wanted an apology 1:07:32.920 --> 1:07:35.960 from you. Here's we're all given apology. Okay, I was 1:07:36.000 --> 1:07:38.760 down on Kishan Buoti because and you guys have heard 1:07:38.760 --> 1:07:41.480 me give this spiel before, like the consistency was not there, 1:07:41.720 --> 1:07:43.560 and I just didn't think he was going to get there. 1:07:43.800 --> 1:07:45.320 I just thought it was going to be flashes and 1:07:45.360 --> 1:07:46.800 that was it, and he was going to be this 1:07:46.840 --> 1:07:52.080 fringy player. He hasn't had necessarily some of those apex 1:07:52.160 --> 1:07:53.880 high point flashes, and I guess he has the last 1:07:53.920 --> 1:07:55.919 couple of days, like the beginning of camp, he didn't 1:07:55.920 --> 1:07:59.280 have these like unbelievable plays, like the jaw dropping plays. 1:08:00.120 --> 1:08:02.120 He was getting open and he was catching two to 1:08:02.160 --> 1:08:04.720 three passes a day, and he was just constantly involved. 1:08:05.080 --> 1:08:07.240 And that's what I needed to see from him. I 1:08:07.280 --> 1:08:10.360 know the high level stuff is there, but that's not 1:08:10.400 --> 1:08:12.640 going to be every play. Are you still able to 1:08:12.640 --> 1:08:14.760 find ways to contribute between it? And that's what he 1:08:14.840 --> 1:08:16.960 really didn't. I'll throw out his first year because he 1:08:17.040 --> 1:08:19.000 essentially got bench for the whole year. That's what he 1:08:19.000 --> 1:08:22.000 didn't do last year when he wasn't making unbelievable plays, 1:08:22.000 --> 1:08:23.880 he wasn't making any plays. He wasn't just making an 1:08:23.920 --> 1:08:27.919 okay play. And he's made a ton of okay, solid, 1:08:28.280 --> 1:08:31.200 move the chains plays in this camp, and if you're 1:08:31.240 --> 1:08:32.559 gonna be a guy wh's gonna be on the field 1:08:32.600 --> 1:08:35.000 sixty sixty five at least that percent of the time, 1:08:35.280 --> 1:08:37.320 which is what it looks like. The roles that's in 1:08:37.360 --> 1:08:39.519 store for him, you have to be able to do that. 1:08:39.520 --> 1:08:40.800 You have to be able to move the change as 1:08:40.840 --> 1:08:42.920 well as is take the top off down the field. 1:08:43.120 --> 1:08:46.679 And he's done that. So Stefan Diggs being healthy, Kayshawn 1:08:46.720 --> 1:08:50.519 body showing some tremendous consistency. MATC. Collins has kind of 1:08:50.560 --> 1:08:52.479 popped here in the last couple of days. Like, yep, 1:08:53.320 --> 1:08:55.200 the floor is so much higher. I don't know if 1:08:55.200 --> 1:08:57.439 the ceilings that much higher compared to where it's been. 1:08:57.920 --> 1:09:00.799 The floor is so much higher because because of Digs 1:09:00.880 --> 1:09:02.800 and booty mainly, and I'll throw mac Hollins in there 1:09:02.840 --> 1:09:03.160 as well. 1:09:03.439 --> 1:09:05.600 That's a good that's a that's a good way of 1:09:05.600 --> 1:09:08.720 putting it. I still don't know if the ceiling is 1:09:08.880 --> 1:09:11.519 astronomically high in terms of the top end talent in 1:09:11.600 --> 1:09:13.840 the room. Like I Diggs is a good player. I'm 1:09:13.880 --> 1:09:15.960 excited about Diggs. I've said a million times. I think 1:09:15.960 --> 1:09:17.400 he's gonna catch a hundred passes this year. 1:09:17.520 --> 1:09:18.400 Pops looked awesome. 1:09:18.600 --> 1:09:20.240 Yeah, And I want to get to Pop in a second, 1:09:20.439 --> 1:09:24.360 but I still am not sure without Kyle Williams, who's 1:09:24.360 --> 1:09:26.960 been a little bit quiet. If Kyle Williams had been 1:09:27.240 --> 1:09:29.960 had come in here and started and just was tearing 1:09:30.040 --> 1:09:32.840 up camp and looked like the steal of the draft, 1:09:32.880 --> 1:09:35.479 he looked like Glad McConkey, right, then maybe I would 1:09:35.479 --> 1:09:38.400 sit here and say, Okay, I I feel like the 1:09:38.479 --> 1:09:41.679 ceiling is a little bit higher what I definitely agree 1:09:41.720 --> 1:09:43.519 with you on and I thought you put it well. 1:09:43.880 --> 1:09:46.080 The floor of this room is much higher than it 1:09:46.120 --> 1:09:48.480 has been the last couple of years, which is encouraging. 1:09:48.920 --> 1:09:51.400 The one guy that I feel like has really blown 1:09:51.439 --> 1:09:54.720 me away, though, is Pop. Like I've just been extremely 1:09:54.760 --> 1:09:59.840 impressed with how at home he looks in the slot 1:09:59.840 --> 1:10:02.200 and this offense. And we always knew that the slot 1:10:02.240 --> 1:10:04.679 produced in this offense. And I guess it was maybe 1:10:05.040 --> 1:10:09.760 me not giving him enough credit. But he even talked 1:10:09.760 --> 1:10:12.120 about it. And I asked him about it after practice 1:10:12.120 --> 1:10:15.519 the other day, just what do you attest to the 1:10:15.600 --> 1:10:18.680 mental growth in your game? And he said that he 1:10:19.439 --> 1:10:22.640 studied like he studied harder and he focused, you know, 1:10:22.680 --> 1:10:25.360 and he studied harder, and it's not I never had 1:10:25.479 --> 1:10:30.320 any reservations about Pop Douglas, the separator Like Pop Douglas, 1:10:30.840 --> 1:10:33.040 the athletic ability that he brings to the table. I 1:10:33.040 --> 1:10:35.120 think he's very I think he's I think he's a weapon. 1:10:35.160 --> 1:10:37.000 I think he's athletic. I think he's bursty. I think 1:10:37.040 --> 1:10:40.200 he's quick. I think he can separate. What I just 1:10:40.240 --> 1:10:43.880 didn't know about was was he going to be able 1:10:43.880 --> 1:10:47.960 to grasp the nuances to expand beyond what is essentially 1:10:48.120 --> 1:10:52.840 like you know, a pseudo gadget player, right, and he has, 1:10:53.200 --> 1:10:55.040 to his credit, he has you know, you look it up. 1:10:55.120 --> 1:10:58.280 Last year he's at sixty six catches for like just 1:10:58.320 --> 1:11:00.920 over six hundred yards. He was under ten yards per catch. 1:11:01.439 --> 1:11:05.040 I thought that maybe that was what he was capable of, 1:11:05.680 --> 1:11:09.080 And watching him in this training camp, I'm starting to 1:11:09.080 --> 1:11:12.160 think that maybe there's more. There's more there, that he 1:11:12.240 --> 1:11:16.840 has another level that he can reach. Sandri Still is 1:11:16.880 --> 1:11:20.240 a good nickel like he's a good slot corner. And 1:11:20.400 --> 1:11:23.880 Pop Douglas had that man in Hell yesterday like he 1:11:24.520 --> 1:11:28.680 was torching Sandra Still for most of that practice. And 1:11:28.720 --> 1:11:30.559 I know Sanders still gets to pick at the end, 1:11:30.600 --> 1:11:31.920 so he kind of gets the last laugh. 1:11:32.320 --> 1:11:33.240 Bobby Wagner made that. 1:11:33.320 --> 1:11:37.600 But Bobby Wagner and Sanders still was dusted at the 1:11:37.640 --> 1:11:40.040 line of scrimmage again by Bob Douglas on that play 1:11:40.040 --> 1:11:42.200 and just got lucky that the ball deflected in the 1:11:42.240 --> 1:11:45.800 air right to him. So I felt like, especially early 1:11:45.840 --> 1:11:48.519 on in this practice, that Bob Douglas was had him 1:11:48.520 --> 1:11:50.519 in the torture chamber like he was in in the 1:11:50.600 --> 1:11:54.120 freaking hurricane. And uh, Douglas has come a long way 1:11:54.439 --> 1:11:58.080 in terms of the nuances like understanding where the space is, 1:11:58.200 --> 1:12:00.920 where the options are in the raw, how do I 1:12:00.920 --> 1:12:03.519 get open against man, how do I settle against zone? 1:12:03.560 --> 1:12:06.759 How do I make myself available as quickly as possible 1:12:06.760 --> 1:12:09.320 to the quarterback as a target, And you just see 1:12:09.320 --> 1:12:13.760 the quick hitters are just McDaniel's vintage McDaniels, you know, 1:12:13.840 --> 1:12:17.519 like Edelman Welker vintage McDaniels. So I guess after all 1:12:17.560 --> 1:12:20.880 of that glazing, my question is about with Pop, like 1:12:21.000 --> 1:12:24.439 how statistically like, how high truly is this ceiling. 1:12:24.520 --> 1:12:26.559 He's got to stay healthy. That's my big question with Pop. 1:12:26.640 --> 1:12:28.160 That's been my question with Pop as long as he's here. 1:12:28.280 --> 1:12:31.280 I've always believed he can be, you know, a real 1:12:31.479 --> 1:12:34.200 offensive threat. Maybe not in a volume sense. I've said this, 1:12:34.240 --> 1:12:36.240 I don't think he's a high volume player, and they 1:12:36.320 --> 1:12:38.160 might not need him to be. I think that's digs 1:12:38.160 --> 1:12:41.920 in this offense. But anytime the ball is in his hands, 1:12:42.600 --> 1:12:44.360 it can be touchdown from anywhere on the field for 1:12:44.479 --> 1:12:45.160 multiple I. 1:12:45.080 --> 1:12:48.080 Just wonder, like what, because I'm just to stay healthy. 1:12:48.120 --> 1:12:50.320 He's got to stay healthy, but like, is there is 1:12:50.360 --> 1:12:53.240 there a volume level for him? Like because it realistically 1:12:53.320 --> 1:12:56.000 he was like I said, he's a sixty sixty five 1:12:56.120 --> 1:12:56.639 catch guy. 1:12:56.720 --> 1:13:00.519 As he was, I stand by, like, I don't he 1:13:01.040 --> 1:13:02.519 I think he should be on the field in eleven. 1:13:02.560 --> 1:13:04.320 I think he's a part of your offense in base eleven. 1:13:04.960 --> 1:13:06.840 When you go into twelve or twenty one, he's probably 1:13:06.840 --> 1:13:09.000 the guy I'm taking off the field. Yeah, so that 1:13:09.040 --> 1:13:10.880 limits him a little bit. Yeah, but I still think 1:13:10.880 --> 1:13:12.679 those plays where he's on the field, he can be 1:13:12.720 --> 1:13:16.360 tremendously impactful. So, you know, things I'll be looking at 1:13:16.360 --> 1:13:19.320 with him. He's not like total catches is not going 1:13:19.400 --> 1:13:20.760 to be what I'm looking at with him. It's going 1:13:20.800 --> 1:13:23.000 to be you know, yards, can he get that yards 1:13:23.280 --> 1:13:25.400 yards per catch? I think yards after the catch is 1:13:25.439 --> 1:13:27.920 big number with him. I think you know what percent 1:13:27.920 --> 1:13:30.760 of his catches go for first downs? That could be 1:13:30.800 --> 1:13:32.479 a number where I think he could be one of 1:13:32.520 --> 1:13:34.800 the you know where he could lead the team, be 1:13:34.800 --> 1:13:36.439 one of the better receivers in the league. Maybe not 1:13:36.479 --> 1:13:39.960 total first downs percentega catchers for first downs, that kind 1:13:40.000 --> 1:13:42.479 of thing. Again, I don't think he's your volume guy. 1:13:42.479 --> 1:13:44.080 I don't think you need him to be your volume guy. 1:13:44.120 --> 1:13:47.120 Which is fine. I think I've said this for everybody 1:13:47.160 --> 1:13:49.000 wants to because he's small and the lines up in 1:13:49.000 --> 1:13:51.519 the slot. Everybody wants to camp him to Julian Edelman. 1:13:51.840 --> 1:13:54.880 But when right when Julian Edelman was getting one hundred 1:13:54.880 --> 1:13:56.879 and twenty targets and get the cramp beat out of him, 1:13:57.520 --> 1:13:59.840 Danny Amandola with his speed and he was faster than 1:13:59.840 --> 1:14:02.679 people realize. Is taken off down the field, or maybe 1:14:02.720 --> 1:14:04.559 Chris Hogan's a better camp for this. He's not small, 1:14:04.600 --> 1:14:06.640 but like Chris Hogan's taken off down the field and 1:14:06.720 --> 1:14:11.080 using his speed to create separation and cashing in on defenses, 1:14:11.120 --> 1:14:13.840 collapsing down to take away that volume guy. That's what 1:14:13.880 --> 1:14:16.639 I think Pop's role is. He's not Edelman that might 1:14:16.720 --> 1:14:19.160 end up being Digs honestly, the way they draw this 1:14:19.200 --> 1:14:21.479 thing up, or it could even be mc hollins. He 1:14:21.479 --> 1:14:24.839 could be like a Jacobe Myers type. I think Douglas 1:14:24.920 --> 1:14:28.160 is the guy that when they bring that safety closer 1:14:28.200 --> 1:14:30.280 to the line, or when they go single high to 1:14:30.280 --> 1:14:32.760 get somebody extra in the box because you're running the 1:14:32.760 --> 1:14:35.519 ball well establishing the run, or because you just keep 1:14:35.600 --> 1:14:38.400 hitting step On Diggs on these five yard hitches in 1:14:38.439 --> 1:14:40.680 these seven yard inns and all right, we got to 1:14:40.680 --> 1:14:43.840 bring somebody down. Well, now that's when you send Pop up, 1:14:44.320 --> 1:14:45.960 or that's when you do some sort of screen or 1:14:46.000 --> 1:14:47.600 end around and get him out on the perimeter and 1:14:47.640 --> 1:14:50.200 get him isolated one on one on a tackler and 1:14:50.240 --> 1:14:52.840 he can make something explosive happen. That's the role I 1:14:52.840 --> 1:14:53.840 think he's going to thrive in. 1:14:54.080 --> 1:14:56.799 So I think that that's a role that I thought 1:14:57.000 --> 1:14:59.880 that he was going to thrive in this camp. He's 1:14:59.920 --> 1:15:02.200 just it has been so good, and I just wonder, 1:15:03.360 --> 1:15:07.719 is there a I think the better cop would probably 1:15:07.800 --> 1:15:11.080 be like Troy Brown, Dion Branch level to pop Douglas, 1:15:11.120 --> 1:15:13.000 because he's not Edelman or Welker like those guys. 1:15:13.400 --> 1:15:14.639 Branch might be a better one. 1:15:14.720 --> 1:15:16.040 I think the biggest thing about but. 1:15:16.120 --> 1:15:17.880 Those guys were like the number one receiver. 1:15:18.320 --> 1:15:21.439 But I think the biggest thing about Edelman and Pop 1:15:21.520 --> 1:15:23.840 and what's different between the two of them is Edelman 1:15:23.960 --> 1:15:25.920 was built like a running back like Edelman was. 1:15:25.960 --> 1:15:30.639 Like dense, dense and popas more straight lines, right. 1:15:30.600 --> 1:15:34.000 But Edelman was just a dense dude that could take 1:15:34.040 --> 1:15:36.800 those hits over the middle of the field. Welker the 1:15:36.840 --> 1:15:39.800 same way, but Edelman more so. Edelman was like an 1:15:39.920 --> 1:15:42.640 MMA fighter like that guy was. He was chiseled so 1:15:42.760 --> 1:15:45.960 like he had that ability. I don't know if Pop 1:15:46.000 --> 1:15:48.920 has that ability, but can they kind of like hey, 1:15:49.120 --> 1:15:52.960 like does his separation lend itself to so much space 1:15:53.080 --> 1:15:54.960 that like he can just kind of get into YAC 1:15:55.040 --> 1:15:58.320 mode and and get away from the traffic or b 1:15:58.880 --> 1:16:02.479 does he learn that like Dion Branch sixth sense, like 1:16:02.520 --> 1:16:05.840 when to duck down, when to know the journey is over, 1:16:06.200 --> 1:16:07.679 to like avoid the b almost. 1:16:07.720 --> 1:16:09.840 I don't want him to do I when I say 1:16:09.840 --> 1:16:10.920 I don't want him to do I want him to 1:16:10.960 --> 1:16:12.360 take care of himself. I want him stay healthy, but 1:16:12.439 --> 1:16:15.960 like he's so good after the catch, I don't want 1:16:16.000 --> 1:16:17.760 him to lose that. Now, there's a fine line. He 1:16:18.120 --> 1:16:21.240 probably he kept fumbling his rookie year because he was 1:16:21.240 --> 1:16:22.960 trying to extend plays too much. But like, I don't 1:16:22.960 --> 1:16:25.080 want I don't want him becoming Tyler Lockett. And I 1:16:25.080 --> 1:16:28.960 know that's an extreme example, but his best. I think 1:16:28.960 --> 1:16:31.040 he's best when the balls in his hands. That's what's 1:16:31.080 --> 1:16:33.000 crazy about him having this good camp. You really don't 1:16:33.000 --> 1:16:35.439 do yack in camp. He's more of a threat to 1:16:35.439 --> 1:16:37.519 me after the catch than before it. So I don't 1:16:37.520 --> 1:16:38.960 want him being a guy that has to worry about 1:16:38.960 --> 1:16:41.479 protecting himself and giving up opportunities after the catch. That's 1:16:41.479 --> 1:16:43.519 where I want him thriving. That's where I want him 1:16:43.600 --> 1:16:44.040 really crea. 1:16:44.600 --> 1:16:46.840 I guess I don't disagree that that's the strength of 1:16:46.880 --> 1:16:49.360 his game. I think his separation ability is the best 1:16:49.400 --> 1:16:50.040 part of his game. 1:16:50.080 --> 1:16:51.719 Oh see, I think it's after the cat. I still 1:16:51.720 --> 1:16:54.720 go back like that game he had in Dallas. Do 1:16:54.760 --> 1:16:56.720 you remember that? And I think Mac Jones through like 1:16:56.720 --> 1:16:58.719 three picks an act game, So you throw that one aside, 1:16:58.720 --> 1:17:00.880 But like remember that one up the side on where 1:17:00.880 --> 1:17:05.599 he hits the half juke backspin, like like he looks 1:17:05.600 --> 1:17:07.400 like he looks like Tyreek Kill on that plane. I'm 1:17:07.400 --> 1:17:08.920 not saying he's tyray Kill, but he looks like Tyrek 1:17:08.960 --> 1:17:09.280 Kill on. 1:17:09.240 --> 1:17:11.720 I've heard him compared to Dollar Store Tyree like. 1:17:11.720 --> 1:17:16.000 I want him doing Day Three's a right fower. Yeah, 1:17:16.080 --> 1:17:17.960 I want him doing that sort of stuff. That's what 1:17:18.000 --> 1:17:19.360 I want him doing. That's where I think he's at 1:17:19.360 --> 1:17:19.760 his best. 1:17:19.880 --> 1:17:22.920 I think is his separation is his best? Like they're 1:17:22.960 --> 1:17:26.679 both good traits, yes, but I just wonder, I wonder 1:17:26.720 --> 1:17:28.479 what the volume where we can get to. 1:17:28.479 --> 1:17:30.400 We should ask volume. This would be fun. We should 1:17:30.439 --> 1:17:31.400 do like catch twenty two. 1:17:31.400 --> 1:17:33.160 See we can grab him real quick after practice and 1:17:33.240 --> 1:17:34.320 what's your best? 1:17:34.680 --> 1:17:36.720 We both will know, Pop. We both think you're very good. 1:17:36.880 --> 1:17:38.920 But we had a little argument. Do you think you're 1:17:38.920 --> 1:17:40.719 at your best before the catch or after the catch? 1:17:41.400 --> 1:17:42.120 That's a good question. 1:17:42.360 --> 1:17:43.280 I'm curious what he thinks. 1:17:43.479 --> 1:17:46.120 I don't know. I don't know, Matt. If they're gonna 1:17:46.280 --> 1:17:48.200 if they'll give catch twenty two a guest, I think 1:17:48.200 --> 1:17:50.960 that that that's practice. 1:17:50.960 --> 1:17:52.200 We can go to him. He doesn't have to come 1:17:52.200 --> 1:17:52.479 in here. 1:17:52.880 --> 1:17:55.160 Guess all right, Well, maybe we'll do that. Because we 1:17:55.200 --> 1:17:57.920 both like Pop. We've all have Pop since the beginning. Well, 1:17:58.000 --> 1:18:00.240 I don't want to give us credit for discovery ring 1:18:00.280 --> 1:18:03.519 Pop Douglas, but I don't want to not give us 1:18:03.520 --> 1:18:06.480 credit for discovering Pop Douglas because we might have discovered 1:18:06.560 --> 1:18:09.160 media sense. We were some of the first people talking 1:18:09.160 --> 1:18:11.320 about I'm going to pat ourselves on the back for 1:18:11.360 --> 1:18:13.120 a second with this and then then I want to 1:18:13.120 --> 1:18:16.160 move on. Yeah, So Alex and I covered the Shrine 1:18:16.160 --> 1:18:19.679 Bowl that Pop Douglas was in. That was twenty twenty two, 1:18:19.720 --> 1:18:22.599 twenty three, twenty three because Bill O'Brien was hired, so 1:18:22.680 --> 1:18:26.200 twenty twenty three, and we use the site, a very 1:18:26.240 --> 1:18:28.599 good site, mock Draft Database. They did a really good 1:18:28.680 --> 1:18:31.920 job of compiling like all the experts opinions on the 1:18:32.000 --> 1:18:35.639 draft and where everybody is and Pop Dougl we were two. 1:18:35.760 --> 1:18:37.439 There was other reporters there. I'm not going to give 1:18:37.520 --> 1:18:39.760 us the loan credit, but we were the ones that 1:18:39.800 --> 1:18:43.519 were really covering those practices, like on a with a 1:18:43.560 --> 1:18:45.959 big platform like we were doing it here on Patriots 1:18:45.960 --> 1:18:49.479 dot com. It was a good sized platform. And Pop 1:18:49.520 --> 1:18:52.920 Douglas's projection was He's going to go on drafted and 1:18:52.920 --> 1:18:55.240 he wasn't really like the seven hundred something up that 1:18:55.479 --> 1:18:58.599 it wasn't really on anybody's radar. And mock draft database 1:18:58.640 --> 1:19:01.880 has a chart at chart where it shows like the 1:19:01.960 --> 1:19:05.519 trajectory of a player, whether it's up down, up, down 1:19:05.560 --> 1:19:10.000 of his stock and as after the Shrine Bowl, after 1:19:10.080 --> 1:19:14.479 Alex and I discovered this jitterbug receiver out of Liberty, 1:19:14.920 --> 1:19:17.800 his line graph went from like all the way down 1:19:17.840 --> 1:19:19.479 here to like all the way up that. 1:19:19.560 --> 1:19:23.599 He went from like seven something to like the like 1:19:23.760 --> 1:19:26.920 three tens something like that ended up around two fifteen. Yeah, 1:19:27.160 --> 1:19:29.120 I went on with with Tom Kern when we were there, 1:19:29.160 --> 1:19:30.680 and I said, he was like, who'd you see him? 1:19:30.800 --> 1:19:33.080 Because the whole big thing was day Flowers was there, yes, 1:19:33.080 --> 1:19:34.559 and his say Flowers was supposed to be the story. 1:19:34.600 --> 1:19:36.479 And I was like, well, Jay Flowers didn't practice, but 1:19:36.520 --> 1:19:39.200 if that's what you want, yeah, let me tell you about. 1:19:39.280 --> 1:19:40.800 And then there was another guy because you kept getting 1:19:40.800 --> 1:19:41.360 them mixed. 1:19:41.160 --> 1:19:44.320 Up from Jackson Dallas Daniels, Dallas Daniels, from Jackson State. 1:19:44.760 --> 1:19:47.200 And it's another like small shifting there was. 1:19:47.560 --> 1:19:49.960 It was like three tiers and we made the That 1:19:50.120 --> 1:19:53.160 was when the nickname day three Z became a thing 1:19:53.240 --> 1:19:56.320 with Pop Douglas. It was like Zay Flowers was there 1:19:56.360 --> 1:19:58.840 and he was the Day one version of this archetype. 1:19:59.000 --> 1:20:02.200 Then Pop Douglas was there, keep going and he was 1:20:02.280 --> 1:20:05.040 like the Day three version of this archetype. And then 1:20:05.080 --> 1:20:07.400 Dallas Daniels was there and he was like the UDFA 1:20:07.560 --> 1:20:10.120 version of this archetype. And it was those three guys 1:20:10.120 --> 1:20:11.840 and they all were playing the same who's the Day 1:20:11.840 --> 1:20:14.000 two guy in Well, I don't think there was, Well 1:20:14.080 --> 1:20:15.960 Josh Downs was the Day two guy, but he was 1:20:16.439 --> 1:20:21.000 right Dallas Daniels, Yeah, Mass Jesus Pirates, no way, that's amazing. 1:20:21.080 --> 1:20:22.240 He was on the Broncos at one point. 1:20:22.360 --> 1:20:26.519 So so that that's Pop Douglas. We discovered Pop Douglas. 1:20:26.560 --> 1:20:27.559 I'm giving us credit for. 1:20:27.479 --> 1:20:28.639 That from a media standpoint. 1:20:28.760 --> 1:20:33.160 Yeah, of course, like he discovered credit right, Yeah, true, 1:20:33.200 --> 1:20:33.960 that that's fair. 1:20:34.600 --> 1:20:37.439 The credit we we we were responsible for bringing him 1:20:37.439 --> 1:20:40.000 to the mainstream where where like the guys like we, 1:20:40.000 --> 1:20:42.360 we didn't start the band, We didn't create the band, 1:20:42.360 --> 1:20:44.040 but we were the ones who like went to some 1:20:44.160 --> 1:20:46.439 random concert and a dingy bar one night, saw this 1:20:46.520 --> 1:20:48.679 band that rock, and then went out and told everybody, hey, 1:20:48.920 --> 1:20:50.599 you gotta listen to this band, and then the band 1:20:50.640 --> 1:20:51.120 blows up. 1:20:51.400 --> 1:20:55.120 We started the fire. What we started the fire? Sure, 1:20:55.280 --> 1:20:57.519 there you go. All right, let's get to the phones. 1:20:57.720 --> 1:20:58.880 We didn't even do defense. 1:20:58.680 --> 1:21:01.040 Yet, I know, but they been waiting for over an hour. 1:21:01.840 --> 1:21:03.599 The whole team have quick you know, I'm always right. 1:21:04.600 --> 1:21:06.960 I'm going to get to the defense. All right, let's 1:21:06.960 --> 1:21:08.920 see if these guys are still holding. What's up Sean 1:21:09.000 --> 1:21:11.559 and Vancouver? How are we doing good? 1:21:11.600 --> 1:21:14.240 I have a couple of things. So with the offensive 1:21:14.280 --> 1:21:16.320 line that I'm saying, they will be, but if they're 1:21:16.360 --> 1:21:19.680 the worst offensive line in the league again, they'll still be. 1:21:19.800 --> 1:21:21.960 And I guarantee it's a lot better than last year. 1:21:22.040 --> 1:21:25.320 Last year they had four players who probably don't even 1:21:25.320 --> 1:21:27.840 make an NFL roster, and they're one player that was 1:21:27.880 --> 1:21:30.920 their best offensive lineman he has down here. So yeah, 1:21:31.040 --> 1:21:34.120 it's it's gonna be better. And I mean not to 1:21:34.120 --> 1:21:36.960 say that it's going to be in the top half, 1:21:37.040 --> 1:21:38.800 but it'll be better than it will. 1:21:39.520 --> 1:21:39.600 Now. 1:21:39.960 --> 1:21:44.960 The other thing I want to talk about is, uh, sorry, 1:21:44.960 --> 1:21:47.240 I just have to catch my person. 1:21:47.439 --> 1:21:49.760 Yeah, be careful out there, Sean. 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:53.640 Yeah, no, I'm on my way to a fitting for 1:21:53.760 --> 1:21:59.840 audacity some walking along the six Street. Sorry about the traffic. Yeah, Well, 1:22:01.840 --> 1:22:04.439 the other thing I wanted to tell you not to 1:22:04.479 --> 1:22:06.720 talk about other podcasts, but I was listening to this 1:22:06.960 --> 1:22:11.400 fantasy podcast about fantasy football, and they made me feel 1:22:12.000 --> 1:22:14.519 the best about the Patriots that I felt in years. 1:22:14.600 --> 1:22:17.160 Like they have this thing called ice and fire, and 1:22:17.200 --> 1:22:22.120 they have two eyes players, the Drake May and their 1:22:22.200 --> 1:22:24.840 other eye players. We've been talking about it, You've been 1:22:24.880 --> 1:22:28.640 talking about us. So it just made me feel so 1:22:28.760 --> 1:22:30.120 much better about this team. 1:22:30.200 --> 1:22:32.960 So I'll leave be on that thanks to the call, Sean, 1:22:33.280 --> 1:22:35.960 be safe out there, Sean, don't be dodging traffic to 1:22:36.000 --> 1:22:39.760 talk to us. So I've said this before, but I'll 1:22:39.760 --> 1:22:43.000 say it again. This is the first time since maybe 1:22:43.040 --> 1:22:46.400 since I've actually been professionally covering the team that the 1:22:46.439 --> 1:22:49.000 Patriots have fantasy relevant players. 1:22:49.040 --> 1:22:51.639 But they do, and they don't because Josh McDaniels inherently 1:22:51.640 --> 1:22:53.720 makes all his players fantasy irrelevant because he's such a 1:22:53.760 --> 1:22:54.439 game plan coach. 1:22:54.520 --> 1:22:58.880 Okay, but like you're drafting digs, yeah, digs probably. Yeah, 1:22:58.920 --> 1:23:02.000 you're drafting Hunter hen because tight ends not ye, you're 1:23:02.040 --> 1:23:03.000 drafted Hunter Henry. 1:23:03.560 --> 1:23:06.240 And I'm not like they've been fantasy. 1:23:05.880 --> 1:23:08.960 Relevant, like running back wise, they've had some fantasy relevant 1:23:09.040 --> 1:23:10.000 running backs over the years. 1:23:10.000 --> 1:23:10.719 I mean PPR. 1:23:10.800 --> 1:23:12.439 I don't know if I'm touching running backs right now 1:23:12.439 --> 1:23:16.519 with the Patriots, but maybe Henderson late Why the PPR 1:23:16.600 --> 1:23:19.839 league get wide receiver having a relevant player like Stefan 1:23:19.880 --> 1:23:20.400 Diggs and so. 1:23:20.520 --> 1:23:22.680 That's fantasy relevant wide receivers. 1:23:22.760 --> 1:23:25.720 Yes, maybe Pop Douglas too. Maybe I think the Pop 1:23:25.760 --> 1:23:28.439 Douglas thing with fantasy that's gonna hurt him as the touchdowns, Like, 1:23:28.439 --> 1:23:30.720 I don't think he's gonna have the touchdown production to 1:23:30.800 --> 1:23:35.000 be super fantasy relevant, but maybe I guess prime Edelman 1:23:35.120 --> 1:23:38.439 was probably fantasy relevant. So like eighteen nineteen, maybe we 1:23:38.520 --> 1:23:41.559 covered some teams in that range that had Patriot fantasy 1:23:41.560 --> 1:23:44.200 players that were relevant at wide receiver. But you might 1:23:44.280 --> 1:23:45.920 have to go all the way back to Brandon Cooks 1:23:46.000 --> 1:23:49.280 seven in twenty seventeen to like, because Edelman was always 1:23:49.320 --> 1:23:51.760 just the slot machine, right, Like, he wasn't a big 1:23:51.800 --> 1:23:55.080 touchdown guy or really a big fantasy producer. But yeah, 1:23:55.120 --> 1:23:57.679 it's a it's a it's a good time right now 1:23:57.680 --> 1:24:00.800 that they they're finally turning the curve in that sort 1:24:00.840 --> 1:24:03.519 of respect. All right, Patty is an aguan. What's up, 1:24:03.520 --> 1:24:07.280 Patty guys? How you doing good? 1:24:10.320 --> 1:24:15.000 So Alex, I gotta apologize. I'm sorry for tasking you 1:24:15.040 --> 1:24:17.160 with what I tasked you with yesterday. 1:24:18.240 --> 1:24:20.400 I got him the shirt. 1:24:21.320 --> 1:24:22.200 I appreciate it. 1:24:22.240 --> 1:24:25.000 Patty gave me a PEPSI to give to Paul Nice. 1:24:25.000 --> 1:24:26.439 I think I gave it a mic and made mic 1:24:26.479 --> 1:24:31.840 to it. But all right, there you got nice. 1:24:32.040 --> 1:24:33.800 If you, like I said, if you want one for 1:24:33.960 --> 1:24:39.160 like golfin Altun went to the studio for you, buddy. 1:24:39.320 --> 1:24:42.200 But what I one of my big takeaways from yesterday 1:24:43.240 --> 1:24:45.599 was I don't think this team is going to lack 1:24:45.680 --> 1:24:49.120 effort at all this coming year, especially after Brabel jumped 1:24:49.120 --> 1:24:55.680 in the piles during the skirmish. And a question for 1:24:55.720 --> 1:24:58.080 you guys, do you do you think that like we 1:24:58.200 --> 1:25:01.639 might actually have like a real NFL team this year 1:25:01.680 --> 1:25:04.120 because I don't know what the hell what we watched 1:25:04.120 --> 1:25:06.759 people last two seasons, but it was an NFL football. 1:25:08.400 --> 1:25:09.040 Yeah. 1:25:09.080 --> 1:25:11.640 No, thanks for the representative group, and you're absolutely right 1:25:11.640 --> 1:25:13.040 about the effort. They love their coach. 1:25:13.320 --> 1:25:18.040 So is that the question that I have that I 1:25:18.120 --> 1:25:20.160 keep coming back to with what Patty just said because 1:25:20.160 --> 1:25:22.559 I'm with him like that, is that the bar for 1:25:22.640 --> 1:25:23.040 this year? 1:25:23.040 --> 1:25:23.120 Like? 1:25:23.160 --> 1:25:27.599 Are you happy as a Patriot fan? This year. If 1:25:27.640 --> 1:25:31.200 the bar is just yep, that was an NFL season, 1:25:31.280 --> 1:25:32.439 like we had football season. 1:25:32.439 --> 1:25:34.519 Two checkboxes for me. We've been over this, two check 1:25:34.560 --> 1:25:35.160 taxes for me. 1:25:35.840 --> 1:25:38.120 Week eighteen is a meaningful game, so we had a 1:25:38.120 --> 1:25:38.840 football season. 1:25:38.880 --> 1:25:40.720 So well, no, there's two parts. This Week eighteen is 1:25:40.720 --> 1:25:43.600 a meaningful game, yes, and meaningful for the playoffs, not 1:25:43.600 --> 1:25:46.600 the draft, not like last year. Right, if they you know, 1:25:46.880 --> 1:25:49.280 need help Week eighteen and they win, but another team 1:25:49.320 --> 1:25:51.800 wins that they need to lose it fine, whatever, there's 1:25:51.800 --> 1:25:54.120 a caveat to that though. They have to be better 1:25:54.160 --> 1:25:55.040 at the end of the year than they are at 1:25:55.040 --> 1:25:58.559 the beginning, or at least very level the whole way through. 1:25:58.800 --> 1:26:04.800 They can't start five and four in finish six and eleven. Right, 1:26:04.840 --> 1:26:06.479 they can't do one of those things because even go 1:26:06.520 --> 1:26:08.400 back to the end of Bill, they've been falling apart 1:26:08.439 --> 1:26:11.600 at the end of seasons. So Week eighteen matters, and 1:26:11.680 --> 1:26:13.720 it matters because you built as the season went on. 1:26:13.800 --> 1:26:14.960 You were better at the end than you were at 1:26:15.000 --> 1:26:17.880 the beginning. So those are my two. And Drake May 1:26:18.120 --> 1:26:19.639 doesn't turn the ball over a million times, I guess 1:26:19.640 --> 1:26:20.479 that would be my. 1:26:20.120 --> 1:26:22.880 My only thing with the Week eighteen matters. Thing is 1:26:22.880 --> 1:26:25.439 that week eighteen, I think it was week eighteen. By 1:26:25.439 --> 1:26:28.360 this point, they were technically alive in twenty twenty two. 1:26:28.360 --> 1:26:30.400 So that's why I added the caveat about being better 1:26:30.400 --> 1:26:31.400 at the better in. 1:26:31.640 --> 1:26:34.040 The twenty twenty two season. If they had won in Buffalo, 1:26:34.120 --> 1:26:35.320 they were in the playoffs. 1:26:35.120 --> 1:26:35.800 They should help. 1:26:36.120 --> 1:26:37.040 I thought it was when. 1:26:36.880 --> 1:26:38.920 They needed help. I remember that they needed help. I 1:26:38.920 --> 1:26:40.080 thought it was when they needed help. 1:26:41.200 --> 1:26:44.599 Regardless they were technically it was a if they had 1:26:44.600 --> 1:26:46.839 won the game, they were alive the point. 1:26:47.120 --> 1:26:49.160 Well, but that's why, because we had this conversation already, 1:26:49.200 --> 1:26:53.160 That's why did that caveat. Why did that game they started? 1:26:53.479 --> 1:26:56.400 What did they start that year? Yeah, they started they 1:26:56.400 --> 1:26:59.400 were over five hundred for a little bit there. Yeah, 1:26:59.680 --> 1:27:02.240 they we earned six and four and then they went 1:27:02.680 --> 1:27:05.200 five and two or two and five down the stretch. Yeah, 1:27:05.280 --> 1:27:06.680 So that's why I added the kate, you got to 1:27:06.720 --> 1:27:08.360 be better at the end. In the beginning, you got 1:27:08.439 --> 1:27:09.680 to be in the playoffs. We gotta be better at 1:27:09.680 --> 1:27:11.559 the end of the beginning. If they start two and 1:27:11.560 --> 1:27:14.719 five and finish eight and nine and they get knocked 1:27:14.720 --> 1:27:17.120 out on the last week of the year, I mean 1:27:17.160 --> 1:27:18.600 I got to see how it all plays out. But 1:27:18.640 --> 1:27:21.120 I might not hate that. That might be Okay, they 1:27:21.200 --> 1:27:23.360 gave me what they need to give me, Like maybe 1:27:23.400 --> 1:27:26.640 a little better than that, just with their schedule being 1:27:26.680 --> 1:27:28.880 as bad as it is, but like that's kind of 1:27:28.920 --> 1:27:29.639 what I'm looking for. 1:27:29.920 --> 1:27:35.280 Fair enough? All Right, Nate is in Connecticut. What's up, Nate? Yeah, 1:27:35.320 --> 1:27:37.320 we got you, all right. 1:27:37.360 --> 1:27:40.719 So my question for you guys is about Kyle Duggart. 1:27:41.080 --> 1:27:43.519 I know he's someone you haven't really mentioned at all 1:27:43.680 --> 1:27:46.840 on the two shows. What have you guys seen out 1:27:46.840 --> 1:27:50.280 of him these past couple of training camps? You know, 1:27:50.479 --> 1:27:54.320 yet I haven't really heard really anything about him. Is 1:27:54.720 --> 1:27:59.479 he is he's still under that lump from his injury 1:27:59.560 --> 1:28:03.240 this pre year, or is the bouncing back sort of 1:28:03.520 --> 1:28:05.439 and he's getting back into the groove. 1:28:05.520 --> 1:28:07.400 Thanks you guys, Thanks for the calling Nate. That's a 1:28:07.400 --> 1:28:09.680 good segue onto the defense. So let's get to that 1:28:09.760 --> 1:28:11.920 here in a second. 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Actually, how good is this safety room actually, 1:29:23.800 --> 1:29:26.320 and what's going on at safety has become another hot 1:29:26.360 --> 1:29:30.200 button area of concern, if you will. And Kyle Dugger 1:29:30.720 --> 1:29:32.479 has had a slow camp, and I think the thing 1:29:32.520 --> 1:29:36.479 that makes it different from past camps kind of like 1:29:36.520 --> 1:29:40.000 what Nate was asking with Kyle Dugger is usually with 1:29:40.120 --> 1:29:43.240 Kyle Dugger there's some splash plays mixed in there where 1:29:43.320 --> 1:29:46.000 like even if it's kind of fluky, like he'll get 1:29:46.000 --> 1:29:49.080 a pick six, or he'll intercept the pass, or he'll 1:29:49.080 --> 1:29:52.519 recover a fumble or like something right, something like usually 1:29:52.560 --> 1:29:56.200 splashy happens with Kyle Dugger that makes him noticeable on 1:29:56.240 --> 1:29:59.160 the practice field. This year, I feel like the only 1:29:59.160 --> 1:30:03.120 thing that I'm noticed seeing is him not exactly holding 1:30:03.200 --> 1:30:03.879 up in coverage. 1:30:03.960 --> 1:30:07.000 He was better yesterday, I guess, not in coverage, he's 1:30:07.040 --> 1:30:09.680 better overall. I say, yeah, I've said that, like I 1:30:09.680 --> 1:30:11.000 want to play Coyle Lugger in the box. I just 1:30:11.000 --> 1:30:12.400 want to play Kyle Lugger in the box and let 1:30:12.479 --> 1:30:15.000 him hunt the football. Yeah, that's where he's at his best. 1:30:15.080 --> 1:30:17.320 Let him do that. They haven't been able to do 1:30:17.360 --> 1:30:18.880 that the last couple of years because they don't have 1:30:18.880 --> 1:30:20.920 a true deep safety. And then Jabrill Peppers was away 1:30:20.920 --> 1:30:22.800 from the team and he was just the guy. So 1:30:23.200 --> 1:30:25.439 they have Jalen Hawkins, they have Marcus EPs. Hopefully he 1:30:25.479 --> 1:30:27.600 can do it now. Is lil think Peppers is a 1:30:27.600 --> 1:30:30.679 tremendous player. I still think Kyle Dugger is a starting 1:30:30.720 --> 1:30:33.240 caliber player if you put him in that role where 1:30:33.240 --> 1:30:35.120 he can succeed, which they should be able to do, 1:30:35.200 --> 1:30:37.519 especially in this defense. Uh. And then I like their 1:30:37.600 --> 1:30:41.720 dad Hawkins, Epps, Craig Woodsins. Craig Woodson has shown some flashes. 1:30:41.960 --> 1:30:44.760 See if Dell Pettis ends up sticking around, But they 1:30:44.760 --> 1:30:47.080 have to be healthy. Duggar and Peppers are both significant 1:30:47.120 --> 1:30:49.439 ifs when it comes to health. Epps is coming off 1:30:49.439 --> 1:30:52.120 of torn acl. If they're healthy, it's a really good 1:30:52.120 --> 1:30:55.639 safety room if they're healthy. And that's not like, that's 1:30:55.640 --> 1:30:57.200 not an insignificant if with this group. 1:30:57.520 --> 1:31:00.280 So I think we're this uh. And we got a 1:31:00.280 --> 1:31:03.719 an email about this as well, you know, titled defending 1:31:03.760 --> 1:31:06.320 tight Ends. I think that where this is all stemming 1:31:06.360 --> 1:31:11.160 from is that Kyle Dugger, when he's been asked to 1:31:11.200 --> 1:31:14.599 defend tight ends throughout his career, and then even in 1:31:14.640 --> 1:31:17.120 the practice yesterday against Zach Ertz, he got beat a 1:31:17.160 --> 1:31:20.519 couple times by Ertz. It's not an area of his 1:31:20.560 --> 1:31:23.559 game that I think is a particular strength, like man 1:31:23.600 --> 1:31:27.000 coverage against tight ends. And if it's not Kyle Duggart. 1:31:27.240 --> 1:31:29.759 And then you watch Jabrill Peppers and he's been playing 1:31:29.760 --> 1:31:32.400 sort of the hybrid role still where he's you know, 1:31:32.439 --> 1:31:34.559 been in the box quite a bit or even I've 1:31:34.640 --> 1:31:37.160 seen him actually in the third down pass rush package 1:31:37.240 --> 1:31:39.320 quite a bit. Two he he did that a little 1:31:39.320 --> 1:31:42.479 bit as a rookie. Yeah, Peppers like third three level 1:31:42.479 --> 1:31:44.559 guy right now. With this defense, I think Peppers is 1:31:44.560 --> 1:31:48.120 gonna definitely be here and be active for the Patriots defense. 1:31:48.160 --> 1:31:51.040 So if Peppers is doing that sort of thing, and 1:31:51.120 --> 1:31:52.880 you don't want Dugger playing the deep part of the 1:31:52.920 --> 1:31:55.599 field because you don't really think that's a particular strength 1:31:55.600 --> 1:31:58.599 of his and he's not holding up covering tight ends, 1:31:59.400 --> 1:32:01.960 this is how we're getting to these rumors about Kyle 1:32:02.040 --> 1:32:03.960 Dugger And I think I don't know if a rumor 1:32:04.040 --> 1:32:05.519 might be a little strong more might have just been 1:32:05.560 --> 1:32:09.360 a take. I think Badard was sort of the first one. Yeah, 1:32:09.400 --> 1:32:12.360 let's call it a take by Greg that maybe Kyle 1:32:12.439 --> 1:32:14.639 Duggart could be on the outside looking in and Look, 1:32:14.680 --> 1:32:18.600 this is what happens too with new coaching staffs. Like 1:32:18.680 --> 1:32:21.439 this coaching staff gets here, they start to get into 1:32:21.479 --> 1:32:23.559 camp and figure out the roster and how the pieces 1:32:23.560 --> 1:32:26.519 of the roster fit together, and they just might look 1:32:26.560 --> 1:32:29.000 at it a little bit differently. I think when the 1:32:29.040 --> 1:32:32.439 Patriots signed Peppers and Dugger both to those extensions, they 1:32:32.439 --> 1:32:34.840 were just thinking, good football players. We're gonna keep good 1:32:34.840 --> 1:32:37.360 football players here. This is what we're gonna do. Now 1:32:37.400 --> 1:32:39.439 that Vaabel's in here, I wonder if him and Terrell 1:32:39.479 --> 1:32:43.599 Williams are looking at it and being like, well, they're redundant, right, 1:32:43.760 --> 1:32:47.240 There's too much overlap to these two skill sets, whereas 1:32:47.280 --> 1:32:49.719 a Craig Woodson or a Jalen Hawkins might be able 1:32:49.760 --> 1:32:52.400 to offer a little bit more of a free safety 1:32:52.439 --> 1:32:55.880 body type. And we don't need we don't really love 1:32:55.960 --> 1:32:58.360 Dugger and Peppers together. And I wonder if we are 1:32:58.439 --> 1:33:01.360 going down that path, that might not mean that Kyle 1:33:01.400 --> 1:33:04.240 Duggar is gone this year like it might. This might 1:33:04.280 --> 1:33:07.680 be a next offseason thing where they fished his contract. 1:33:07.680 --> 1:33:09.040 Makes it tough for right. 1:33:09.200 --> 1:33:11.519 They'd have to probably find a trade, and I think 1:33:11.520 --> 1:33:12.200 that's hard to do. 1:33:12.640 --> 1:33:14.680 And I just wouldn't sell low on a guy like that. 1:33:15.040 --> 1:33:18.640 Yeah, So that's where we're at with Kyle Dugger. You know, 1:33:18.680 --> 1:33:21.800 the emailers said, uh so can we just get ready 1:33:21.800 --> 1:33:24.200 for brock Bowers to go for ten for one fifteen 1:33:24.280 --> 1:33:28.760 in week one. My hope about this this, uh you know, 1:33:28.800 --> 1:33:31.400 to this point with Bowers coming in here week one, 1:33:32.800 --> 1:33:36.160 I'm hoping that Rabel is going to have uh that 1:33:36.280 --> 1:33:39.880 Belichick game plan gene where he's going to be able 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:44.840 to say anybody but Bowers. Yeah, and maybe that means brackets. 1:33:44.920 --> 1:33:46.639 Maybe that means, you. 1:33:46.600 --> 1:33:48.519 Know, horner. I think it means corner, a corner. 1:33:49.160 --> 1:33:53.120 Maybe that means like Robber or low whole help all 1:33:53.160 --> 1:33:56.439 the time, so that you're you're not truly bracketing him, 1:33:56.479 --> 1:33:59.599 but you kind of are bracketing him with two eyeballs, 1:33:59.600 --> 1:34:02.880 you know, four set, two sets, four eyeballs on brock 1:34:02.920 --> 1:34:05.519 Bauers most of the game. I would like to think 1:34:05.560 --> 1:34:09.759 that they're gonna make the Raiders beat them without feeding 1:34:09.800 --> 1:34:12.960 brock Bauers at that level. But we'll see what happens. 1:34:13.000 --> 1:34:14.439 In a long way to be a corner because when 1:34:14.479 --> 1:34:17.599 you look at why, you know, Vegas' receivers, I'm gonna 1:34:17.600 --> 1:34:21.200 give you the list here. Alex Bachman, Patriots legend, Kwan Baker, 1:34:21.360 --> 1:34:24.439 Jack Beck Patriots legend Philip dor Set, which, by the way. 1:34:24.320 --> 1:34:26.040 Is he the first Philip dor Set is still in 1:34:26.080 --> 1:34:27.920 the league? Yes, it you know who else is still 1:34:27.920 --> 1:34:31.360 in the league? And he was here yesterday? Remember Carl Davis. Yes, 1:34:31.520 --> 1:34:33.639 he's on the Commanders. Yeah, I know, I knew that, Carl. 1:34:34.080 --> 1:34:36.960 I knew that. I had no idea Philip doris Set. 1:34:36.960 --> 1:34:40.200 Still in the league. Is he the first ever NFL 1:34:40.200 --> 1:34:42.120 player to catch a touchdown pass from his owner? 1:34:44.439 --> 1:34:44.719 Wait? 1:34:44.720 --> 1:34:47.519 What is Philip dor Set the first ever NFL player 1:34:47.560 --> 1:34:49.360 to catch a touchdown pass from his owner? 1:34:50.040 --> 1:34:50.760 Who owns him? 1:34:51.520 --> 1:34:52.560 The Oh? 1:34:52.840 --> 1:34:56.640 Oh, I see what you're I Actually he's not. 1:34:57.040 --> 1:35:00.519 Did Brady own the Raiders last year? When did that 1:35:00.520 --> 1:35:01.240 become official? 1:35:01.439 --> 1:35:02.120 I think this year? 1:35:02.240 --> 1:35:04.639 Oh? Because then I forgot the band also doesn't own 1:35:04.680 --> 1:35:08.400 the right I forgot the Okay, but you get the point. Yeah, 1:35:08.479 --> 1:35:15.240 it's wild filter, said k Troon Jackson, Shedrick Jackson, Colin Johnson, 1:35:15.320 --> 1:35:18.759 Tommy Mellech, Jakobe Myers, your guy, Dante Thornton who apparently 1:35:18.840 --> 1:35:21.280 is having a good camp. Uh, Trey Tucker and Seth Williams, 1:35:21.439 --> 1:35:26.120 so not exactly like Jacoby can play. Right If Jack 1:35:26.160 --> 1:35:30.800 Betch is like a nice player, you put Gonzales on Jacoby, 1:35:32.600 --> 1:35:35.479 Alex Austin can cover Jack Betch. Yeah, I'm not worried 1:35:35.479 --> 1:35:37.720 about that, like you can put Carlton Davis on on 1:35:37.800 --> 1:35:38.400 brock Bowers. 1:35:38.479 --> 1:35:42.920 Yeah. So I definitely with the to go back to 1:35:42.960 --> 1:35:46.760 the safety thing. They've talked about wanting to be interchangeable 1:35:46.760 --> 1:35:48.760 back there, but I do think that we might be 1:35:48.800 --> 1:35:52.360 gravitating towards more traditional roles, like true free and strong 1:35:52.400 --> 1:35:56.040 safety roles. And right now, Pepper's is definitely in the 1:35:56.120 --> 1:35:59.200 driver's seat to be the strong safety and between Jalen 1:35:59.240 --> 1:36:01.479 Hawkins and and I would say right now it's probably 1:36:01.520 --> 1:36:04.000 Hawkins and Woodson competing and maybe a little bit of 1:36:04.080 --> 1:36:07.840 Epps in that competition as well. They're competing for a 1:36:07.880 --> 1:36:10.880 free safety role. And I could see a world where 1:36:11.160 --> 1:36:15.000 Dugger is like a package situational player, like he's not 1:36:15.200 --> 1:36:17.000 somebody that's on the field all the time like he 1:36:17.080 --> 1:36:19.720 has been the last couple of years. And it'll be 1:36:19.760 --> 1:36:22.360 interesting to see where they go from there. But maybe 1:36:22.400 --> 1:36:27.439 it is Woodson at free Pepper's a strong Dugger as 1:36:27.479 --> 1:36:31.040 like the third like the like a true Nickel dime safety, right, 1:36:31.080 --> 1:36:33.240 if they want to go three safety, then he's the 1:36:33.320 --> 1:36:38.120 third guy in especially in obvious past, Like I think 1:36:38.120 --> 1:36:40.040 that's where you want to take dougger off the field 1:36:40.400 --> 1:36:42.840 is when you know that they're going to pass the ball. Yeah, 1:36:42.880 --> 1:36:45.120 if he's out there on first down to stop the 1:36:45.200 --> 1:36:47.880 run and to play aggressively and do all that kind 1:36:47.920 --> 1:36:50.720 of stuff, I think he can still be a productive 1:36:50.760 --> 1:36:53.559 player for him. But I wonder if there's a world 1:36:53.600 --> 1:36:57.320 where when we talk about true starters, like we're really 1:36:57.360 --> 1:36:59.840 talking about Peppers with a true free safety like a 1:37:00.240 --> 1:37:04.600 and Hawkins or Craig Woodson, And then that leaves the 1:37:04.640 --> 1:37:07.360 whole conversation about you know who really is covering the 1:37:07.400 --> 1:37:09.080 tight end because I don't. I don't think that that's 1:37:09.840 --> 1:37:12.559 Pepper's strong suit either. I think Pepper's strong suit is 1:37:12.640 --> 1:37:16.160 roaming and being in the box and blitzing and playing 1:37:16.200 --> 1:37:16.879 at the second. 1:37:16.720 --> 1:37:19.519 Hun prob best two safeties are both ideally box safety. 1:37:19.560 --> 1:37:21.920 Yeah, So we'll see where that all ends up. That's 1:37:21.960 --> 1:37:25.080 a big question. The other part of the defense that 1:37:25.120 --> 1:37:29.200 I wanted to get to, I've been really now, look 1:37:29.240 --> 1:37:32.360 the commanders, you said it earlier the Commander's wide receiver 1:37:32.439 --> 1:37:37.320 room sans Terry McLaurin is it's it's scary Terry, So 1:37:37.680 --> 1:37:42.519 it's not a great room. That being said, I think 1:37:42.560 --> 1:37:45.759 Alex Austin has really solidified himself as like a third 1:37:45.840 --> 1:37:48.080 corner in this league. I think he can be that 1:37:48.120 --> 1:37:52.240 player for them. And DJ James, I thought, had another 1:37:52.640 --> 1:37:54.920 decent practice yesterday where he held up pretty well. 1:37:55.040 --> 1:37:57.280 Yeah. I like DJ James, and corner is a position 1:37:57.280 --> 1:37:59.759 where I'm always a little more concerned with depth than others, 1:38:00.120 --> 1:38:02.519 especially with you know, Carlon davis injury history, and DJ 1:38:02.600 --> 1:38:05.240 James isn't a guy one out there a lot. If 1:38:05.240 --> 1:38:06.880 he has to play his third corner in a game 1:38:06.960 --> 1:38:08.360 or two this year, like, I'm comfortable with that. I'm 1:38:08.360 --> 1:38:09.639 gonna give you one other guy, by the way, he's 1:38:09.640 --> 1:38:12.439 going to make the team that Yeah, literally nobody is 1:38:12.479 --> 1:38:14.000 talking about and I kind of know why they're not 1:38:14.040 --> 1:38:16.639 talking about it, but he he's gonna be my Oscar projection. 1:38:16.680 --> 1:38:18.200 I'm telling you right now, he's going to make the team. 1:38:18.800 --> 1:38:22.919 Trey Avery, Okay, he was with Tenant and Verraible in Tennessee. 1:38:23.120 --> 1:38:25.479 He primarily played special teams and kind of was their 1:38:25.560 --> 1:38:28.599 last rotational corner. It's exactly what Marcell's Dial did here 1:38:28.680 --> 1:38:31.240 last year. And they signed Tray Avery or they claimed 1:38:31.320 --> 1:38:33.360 him off waivers, which tells you that they like him 1:38:33.360 --> 1:38:35.320 because they didn't wait for him to pass waivers. They 1:38:35.320 --> 1:38:37.800 claimed him off waivers after Marcel's Dal got hurt. Trey 1:38:37.840 --> 1:38:40.280 Avery's gonna make this team. I feel really strongly about this. 1:38:40.320 --> 1:38:43.400 The corner room is going to be Austin, Avery, Davis, Gonzalez, 1:38:43.439 --> 1:38:45.719 DJ James, Marcus Jones. I'd like to see Isaiah Bolden 1:38:45.720 --> 1:38:47.559 get run. I feel like I've been saying that for 1:38:47.560 --> 1:38:49.320 three years now, and at this point I'm maybe just 1:38:49.400 --> 1:38:51.840 yelling into the void. Yeah, those six guys, that's their 1:38:51.840 --> 1:38:53.479 corner room. I feel very strongly about that. 1:38:53.680 --> 1:38:55.960 Yeah, and I like it like I think it's it's 1:38:56.000 --> 1:38:59.280 good on paper. Obviously, with a second team all pro 1:38:59.439 --> 1:39:02.599 like Gonzala, who's on the upward trajectory, in Carlon Davis 1:39:02.760 --> 1:39:04.600 at the top of the depth charter, it's easy to 1:39:04.600 --> 1:39:06.519 say it's a it's a good room. But what I've 1:39:06.560 --> 1:39:11.320 really been encouraged by is just how well DJ James 1:39:11.360 --> 1:39:15.160 and Alex Austin have held up. Now it's the Patriots 1:39:15.200 --> 1:39:17.360 receiver room, and this is the commander's receiver room. So 1:39:17.560 --> 1:39:20.960 I'll put that caveat in there next week when the 1:39:20.960 --> 1:39:24.920 Patriots go to Minnesota. I don't Justin Jefferson's been kind 1:39:24.920 --> 1:39:28.120 of like hamstring slash on Justin Jefferson. I'll see you 1:39:28.160 --> 1:39:30.840 week wanting it right now in training camp, So I 1:39:30.880 --> 1:39:32.639 don't know if he's going to be out there next week. 1:39:32.680 --> 1:39:36.719 But they also have Jordan Addison. Of course he's suspended, 1:39:36.760 --> 1:39:40.120 but yeah, he can still practice for now. So that's 1:39:40.479 --> 1:39:43.479 we're going up a level, is my point. So even 1:39:43.520 --> 1:39:47.240 if it's just Addison and there's no Justin Jefferson, Like, 1:39:47.280 --> 1:39:50.679 how does Austin and DJ James look against Jordan Addison, 1:39:50.680 --> 1:39:53.400 who I think is a much better receiver, maybe not 1:39:53.479 --> 1:39:55.920 better than Diggs, but like better than the receivers that 1:39:56.479 --> 1:40:00.320 the Commanders certainly have outside of Terry McLaurin. So interesting 1:40:00.320 --> 1:40:02.759 to see how those practices go for those depth corners. 1:40:02.760 --> 1:40:04.880 But yeah, and I mean the they also have you know, 1:40:05.040 --> 1:40:10.240 Rondelle Moore's a the NFL receiver representative. Yeah, like they 1:40:10.560 --> 1:40:13.760 have some it's a lot better even without even if 1:40:13.800 --> 1:40:18.559 you want to take out Jefferson, I and Addison. It's 1:40:18.560 --> 1:40:20.439 a better room, I think than what Washington has. 1:40:20.520 --> 1:40:21.760 Yeah, I would agree with that. 1:40:22.360 --> 1:40:26.639 Oh, I you know it's on Minnesota, Bryson nesbit nice. 1:40:26.920 --> 1:40:29.439 So maybe when Member Bill used to do this like 1:40:29.720 --> 1:40:32.240 they he'd always sign or claim off waivers one guy 1:40:32.280 --> 1:40:35.160 that they faced and joint practices. Yeah, I don't want 1:40:35.160 --> 1:40:36.840 to ask you any of the Commander's tackles look good 1:40:36.840 --> 1:40:40.080 to you, Laramie Tunzel like that's gonna get on be 1:40:40.160 --> 1:40:40.639 on the bubble. 1:40:40.640 --> 1:40:43.040 Maybe, you know, honestly, I thought Laramie Tunzel was the 1:40:43.040 --> 1:40:46.879 only one that looked look decent, good player, good football. 1:40:48.000 --> 1:40:50.880 So uh yeah, I'm interested to see you if we 1:40:51.000 --> 1:40:53.519 want as we go up, you know, above weight class 1:40:53.520 --> 1:40:57.160 as they say here with the wide receiver position, if 1:40:57.160 --> 1:41:00.080 those depth corners still hold up. But you know, in 1:41:00.120 --> 1:41:03.000 some ways and in terms of Gonzo like him pulling 1:41:03.000 --> 1:41:04.760 a hand like that's not good, Like it's not good 1:41:04.800 --> 1:41:06.680 for any of your anybody if you're good players to 1:41:06.680 --> 1:41:09.640 get hurt. I'm not saying yeah, but in some respects 1:41:09.680 --> 1:41:12.760 like having Alex Austen and DJ James get this much 1:41:12.760 --> 1:41:13.439 exposure is. 1:41:13.439 --> 1:41:14.320 Not a valuable rep. 1:41:14.439 --> 1:41:17.400 Yeah, it's a valuable reps and there's no questions about 1:41:17.479 --> 1:41:20.800 Christian Gonzalez's ability. He doesn't necessarily need the reps at 1:41:20.800 --> 1:41:23.559 the same way. So to get an extended look to 1:41:23.640 --> 1:41:29.040 evaluate Austin and DJ James has been a decent development. 1:41:29.120 --> 1:41:30.960 And if you want to look at it like glass 1:41:30.960 --> 1:41:34.120 half full of Gonzo getting hurt during camp, I'd say 1:41:34.200 --> 1:41:36.040 that's the way to look at it. And I do 1:41:36.120 --> 1:41:40.439 wonder DJ James because he's not the biggest corner. I 1:41:40.760 --> 1:41:44.320 do wonder if there's like a slot flexibility in his future, 1:41:44.439 --> 1:41:47.439 like maybe he could play more inside and have that 1:41:47.520 --> 1:41:50.320 ability as well, because I still think that they want 1:41:50.360 --> 1:41:52.120 to have a guy that they can put inside. It's 1:41:52.120 --> 1:41:54.599 a little bit bigger. I don't think that that's Alex 1:41:54.640 --> 1:41:59.000 Austen's game. I think Alex Austen's too like tight hipped 1:41:59.000 --> 1:42:01.439 in like an upright move uh to play the slot. 1:42:02.280 --> 1:42:05.400 So I feel like, you know, Marcus Jones right now 1:42:05.439 --> 1:42:08.000 is going to play the slot. But I'm I'm on 1:42:08.040 --> 1:42:10.680 an island with Marcus Jones on the PU panel. I'm 1:42:10.680 --> 1:42:12.600 the only guy that still thinks that Marcus Jones is 1:42:12.640 --> 1:42:15.760 a good corner, I guess, but I still think, yeah, 1:42:15.800 --> 1:42:17.880 so Marcus Jones, But he just has to stay healthy 1:42:17.960 --> 1:42:19.639 if they want to have a bigger body type there. 1:42:19.680 --> 1:42:22.920 Marcel's dial obviously going out was really the front runner 1:42:22.960 --> 1:42:25.000 for that role, I would say, until he got hurt. 1:42:25.320 --> 1:42:28.200 So now maybe it's DJ James. Once Gonzales and Davis 1:42:28.240 --> 1:42:32.760 start practicing again, maybe this it becomes DJ James. This 1:42:32.920 --> 1:42:35.240 is not you know, I'm not there's not any intel, 1:42:35.240 --> 1:42:38.800 don't aggregamy whatsoever. I just feel like Carlton Davis and 1:42:38.840 --> 1:42:42.400 carl and Christian Zales, like you know that week in 1:42:42.479 --> 1:42:46.439 between where it's like right after the third pre singing game, 1:42:46.479 --> 1:42:48.040 but it's not week one yet. 1:42:47.920 --> 1:42:50.360 That yet, Labor Day weekend, that in between week. 1:42:50.680 --> 1:42:54.120 I think we're gonna see zero in seven out there 1:42:54.200 --> 1:42:57.840 with you. Yeah, so I'm I I still don't have 1:42:57.880 --> 1:43:00.640 any concern there. In terms of the line scrimmage on 1:43:00.920 --> 1:43:03.960 the defense side of the ball. From practice yesterday, I 1:43:04.000 --> 1:43:06.559 thought Barmore and Milton Williams showed well. I thought, you know, 1:43:06.600 --> 1:43:09.240 those guys are gonna play, are They're gonna translate against 1:43:09.400 --> 1:43:11.200 every team pretty much. I think I think they're just 1:43:11.240 --> 1:43:15.080 gonna be good. I'm really optimistic about what we've seen 1:43:15.120 --> 1:43:18.719 so far out of Harold Landry. I just I don't 1:43:18.720 --> 1:43:20.920 know what it's going to mask A mask too. I 1:43:20.960 --> 1:43:23.360 don't know if his past rush production or like his 1:43:23.479 --> 1:43:25.680 win rate and all that fancy stuff is all going 1:43:25.760 --> 1:43:28.600 to go back to where it was when Rabel was 1:43:28.640 --> 1:43:32.640 in Tennessee. But I thought he was disruptive yesterday on 1:43:33.320 --> 1:43:36.639 a handful of occasions. I think he just fits the scheme. 1:43:36.640 --> 1:43:39.400 He knows the scheme. He's pretty good on as a 1:43:39.439 --> 1:43:41.840 looper on some on those stunts or the tn s 1:43:41.880 --> 1:43:43.200 on the end of the line. I thought he was 1:43:43.240 --> 1:43:46.280 productive on some of those yesterday as well. He looks 1:43:46.320 --> 1:43:48.519 like he's in great shape and came in ready to go. 1:43:49.479 --> 1:43:53.720 I've been pleasantly not surprised, but just like it's been 1:43:53.760 --> 1:43:55.479 good for Harold Landry. It's been good. 1:43:55.680 --> 1:43:57.720 Yeah, And that's kind of what we expect, right, it 1:43:57.800 --> 1:44:01.120 was gonna be this. You know, he's not gonna be 1:44:01.160 --> 1:44:04.080 Miles Garrett. He's not going to be this overwhelming pass rusher. 1:44:04.080 --> 1:44:06.559 But his presence, you feel his presence, Yeah, he feels 1:44:06.560 --> 1:44:07.479 presence when he's out there. 1:44:07.479 --> 1:44:09.680 Anybody else on defense that stood out to you. 1:44:11.920 --> 1:44:14.040 So just camp as a whole, because like I feel 1:44:14.040 --> 1:44:16.160 like we even talked in a while. There's been a 1:44:16.160 --> 1:44:18.760 lot of practices between the last time we did the show. 1:44:18.800 --> 1:44:22.000 Now I am very pleasantly surprised about Kiros Tonga. I 1:44:22.280 --> 1:44:24.920 Kiros a good day yesterday too, So this this, it 1:44:24.960 --> 1:44:27.160 relates to yesterday. I thought kiris Tong was gonna be 1:44:27.160 --> 1:44:29.080 the god who's gonna play twenty five thirty percent of 1:44:29.120 --> 1:44:31.559 the time third and short, fourth and short goal line. 1:44:31.560 --> 1:44:34.400 That was going to be it. He's got a little 1:44:34.560 --> 1:44:38.599 movement to him, and he's not Aaron Donald, but like 1:44:39.240 --> 1:44:41.080 there were a couple of times he created pressure as 1:44:41.080 --> 1:44:43.400 a pass rusher. That's actually something I'm gonna be watching 1:44:43.400 --> 1:44:44.520 for out there tomorrow. 1:44:44.320 --> 1:44:46.200 Night, Like I want to get to that in a second. 1:44:46.280 --> 1:44:48.720 So just like can he play on first and ten? 1:44:48.800 --> 1:44:50.680 Can he play on second and five? He's kind of 1:44:50.680 --> 1:44:52.599 in between downs. Because I've said this, I'm a little 1:44:52.600 --> 1:44:54.960 worried about the run defense as a whole. If Kiris 1:44:55.000 --> 1:44:58.439 Tonga can be more than just a strict situational player, 1:44:59.600 --> 1:45:01.360 that's gonna help him out a lot. So I've been 1:45:01.360 --> 1:45:03.479 really surprised by him. He's been awesome, Like I've really 1:45:03.560 --> 1:45:05.559 enjoyed watching him. He is he seems like a like 1:45:05.680 --> 1:45:07.240 he seems like he gets it too, Like I like 1:45:07.439 --> 1:45:09.960 when we talk to him, I like that he says, yes, he. 1:45:09.880 --> 1:45:13.720 Is a he's a strong dude, like he's a And 1:45:13.880 --> 1:45:16.360 I think what's impressing me the most about him, to 1:45:16.439 --> 1:45:18.479 your point, is like his bull rush and the pass 1:45:18.560 --> 1:45:21.160 rush is legit, Like he can legitimately dent the pocket 1:45:21.439 --> 1:45:23.599 with that level of bull rush, and he's he's an 1:45:23.680 --> 1:45:26.240 angry rusher, like you can hear it when he like 1:45:26.720 --> 1:45:29.160 collides with like a garter or center and he starts 1:45:29.200 --> 1:45:32.120 to bowl rush like it's gonna be it's gonna be 1:45:32.120 --> 1:45:33.880 a long way to Grandma's house. Like he's not gonna 1:45:33.880 --> 1:45:36.280 blow by people, but he's gonna push the pocket and 1:45:36.320 --> 1:45:39.400 he's gonna end up in the quarterback slap at some point. 1:45:39.439 --> 1:45:42.720 I've been really pleasantly surprised, I'll use that phrase here, 1:45:42.800 --> 1:45:47.240 like I've been pleasantly surprised at how uh noticeable he 1:45:47.280 --> 1:45:49.800 has been in the pass rush, Like he's a legitimate 1:45:49.840 --> 1:45:53.160 pocket pusher. And if he can do that, then he 1:45:53.200 --> 1:45:55.479 does become more of a regular player because even on 1:45:55.520 --> 1:45:58.080 first and ten, like he's out there to stop the run. 1:45:58.640 --> 1:46:01.160 But when they play pass, like when they play action 1:46:01.360 --> 1:46:04.479 or they drop back on first and ten. Well, he's 1:46:04.479 --> 1:46:06.559 not a liability now because he can just dent the 1:46:06.560 --> 1:46:10.360 pocket like that's that's the when a nose tackle becomes 1:46:10.400 --> 1:46:13.599 like a more regular player. You know, Vince Wolfwork wasn't 1:46:13.640 --> 1:46:17.519 blown by people either, but Vince Wolfwork would walk the 1:46:17.560 --> 1:46:20.280 center right back into the quarterback slap and that's a 1:46:20.360 --> 1:46:23.439 valuable as said as well, So I'm with you. That 1:46:23.479 --> 1:46:26.000 was a good shout on Tanga. You said, uh, what 1:46:26.040 --> 1:46:28.840 you were looking forward to a little bit there tomorrow night. 1:46:28.880 --> 1:46:30.439 I want to preview the game a little bit here 1:46:30.439 --> 1:46:34.320 at the end. What are you watching for? I know 1:46:34.439 --> 1:46:37.800 that preseason the starters don't usually play much these days, 1:46:37.840 --> 1:46:40.280 and that's a bummer for some fans. But I think 1:46:40.320 --> 1:46:43.160 that there's a lot of interesting, you know, competitions that 1:46:43.200 --> 1:46:45.479 are still shaking themselves out at the back end of 1:46:45.520 --> 1:46:47.759 the roster that I'm going to be watching for, especially 1:46:48.080 --> 1:46:49.040 backup tackles. 1:46:49.240 --> 1:46:51.400 You seem a little higher on Marcus Bryant than me. 1:46:51.479 --> 1:46:53.760 But and even if you are, like, it's game action, 1:46:53.840 --> 1:46:56.280 what does Marcus Bryant look like, especially on the left side, 1:46:56.479 --> 1:47:00.439 Cole Strange, Ben Brown, that dynamic, It's a lot of 1:47:00.479 --> 1:47:02.880 stuff that we talked about, Javon Baker, the back end 1:47:02.880 --> 1:47:05.360 of that wide receiver room, a position we didn't talk about. 1:47:05.360 --> 1:47:08.920 I'll give you this one linebacker. So splaining Gibbons Ellis 1:47:08.960 --> 1:47:11.200 are going to make the team? Yep, those are kind 1:47:11.200 --> 1:47:15.760 of sideline of sideline faster athletic guys. Are they going 1:47:15.840 --> 1:47:18.360 to keep Marte Mapuh's a fourth one of those guys? 1:47:18.439 --> 1:47:20.439 Is their room for a thumper? Is there a fourth guy? 1:47:20.520 --> 1:47:22.760 And I don't think Joanna is gonna play because he's hurt. 1:47:22.760 --> 1:47:25.960 But like again, splaining, Gibbons Ellis are all making the team. 1:47:26.840 --> 1:47:29.519 Does a fourth linebacker make the team? If so? Who? 1:47:29.600 --> 1:47:31.240 Monty Rice is a guy we probably should talk a 1:47:31.240 --> 1:47:33.559 little more about. Played for Rabel and Tennessee had a 1:47:33.560 --> 1:47:36.920 good spring, hasn't done as much this summer. Yeah, Like, 1:47:36.960 --> 1:47:40.400 does somebody emerge in that conversation? So I then give yours? 1:47:40.400 --> 1:47:41.160 Then I'll do kickers? 1:47:41.240 --> 1:47:45.360 Okay, good, good idea? So offensive line. I've been waiting 1:47:45.800 --> 1:47:48.840 since May to watch Will Campbell on tape in a 1:47:48.880 --> 1:47:53.120 Patriot Yeah and so, so just getting some film on 1:47:53.160 --> 1:47:56.240 Will Campbell because I admit, even as a guy that 1:47:56.439 --> 1:47:59.519 likes to watch the trenches during practice without being able 1:47:59.560 --> 1:48:02.080 to review the tape of what exactly happened. There's a 1:48:02.160 --> 1:48:05.719 lot of bodies and flying parts and things like that. 1:48:06.080 --> 1:48:09.320 It's hard to really diagnose sometimes in the live viewing 1:48:09.360 --> 1:48:12.759 of practice what exactly happened when there is a breakdown 1:48:12.840 --> 1:48:16.439 on the offensive line. So watching Will Campbell studying his 1:48:16.520 --> 1:48:19.559 film a little bit in a Patriot uniform, I'm really 1:48:19.600 --> 1:48:22.320 looking forward to that. Jared Wilson too, But I think 1:48:22.439 --> 1:48:24.519 all of us are sort of on Campbell watch at 1:48:24.520 --> 1:48:26.719 this point, and I like that. I like that people 1:48:26.920 --> 1:48:29.280 want to talk about the offensive line. I love that, 1:48:29.720 --> 1:48:30.080 So I. 1:48:30.200 --> 1:48:32.760 Love that that line had to be historically bad to 1:48:32.760 --> 1:48:34.559 get to this point. Yeah, but hey, we're here whatever. 1:48:34.400 --> 1:48:38.280 We're here. So Will Campbell He's number one on my list. 1:48:38.320 --> 1:48:41.200 Like when I will release like a after further review 1:48:41.280 --> 1:48:44.000 film review after the game, probably on Saturday night, and 1:48:44.040 --> 1:48:46.360 it might be the lead story, honestly, is how the 1:48:46.439 --> 1:48:50.479 rookies and how especially Will Campbell looked in their preseason debut. 1:48:50.520 --> 1:48:53.640 So I'm looking forward to seeing that with Campbell. I 1:48:53.640 --> 1:48:55.960 think the other things that I'm looking forward are the 1:48:56.080 --> 1:48:58.599 same as what you kind of laid out there. But 1:48:58.680 --> 1:49:04.080 really the wide receiver you know, Baker, Chisholm, Polk, those 1:49:04.080 --> 1:49:07.120 guys need to continue to point the arrow upward if 1:49:07.120 --> 1:49:09.479 they're gonna make the team. Like if they don't really 1:49:09.600 --> 1:49:12.600 need to keep six, right, like they don't need to 1:49:12.680 --> 1:49:15.559 keep six, you need to make them need to keep six, 1:49:15.680 --> 1:49:18.920 right if that makes sense, like they don't. You can 1:49:18.960 --> 1:49:22.080 get a lot of teams carry six now, but you 1:49:22.120 --> 1:49:24.840 can carry five and be good. So if they're gonna 1:49:24.840 --> 1:49:28.320 carry six receivers, it's because Javon Baker just had such 1:49:28.320 --> 1:49:30.160 a good summer that they don't want to cut bait 1:49:30.240 --> 1:49:32.840 with him just yet, you know. Or Chisholm had a 1:49:32.840 --> 1:49:34.840 great preseason and they won't and he had like this 1:49:35.000 --> 1:49:38.000 Edelman breakout during the preseason and they don't want to 1:49:38.000 --> 1:49:40.360 cut him just yet. So those receivers have got to 1:49:40.400 --> 1:49:44.240 earn spots. Depth along the offensive line is obviously another 1:49:44.280 --> 1:49:47.160 big one. You know, how does a cold strange look 1:49:47.240 --> 1:49:50.000 Marcus Bryant, Caden Wallace if he plays in the game. 1:49:50.640 --> 1:49:54.360 Those guys as well. I'm not looking out too much 1:49:54.400 --> 1:49:57.519 on defense, to be honest with you. I feel like 1:49:57.560 --> 1:50:01.240 they're defensively they kind of know who there, Like fifteen 1:50:01.320 --> 1:50:04.240 guys are that are going to play a lot, but 1:50:04.320 --> 1:50:06.920 we'll see maybe about you know those young corners in 1:50:07.040 --> 1:50:10.759 Austin and DJ James. So you do your kicker minute. 1:50:11.160 --> 1:50:14.200 We got three minutes to go, perfect amount of time. 1:50:14.600 --> 1:50:17.800 I might have a I have a like a a 1:50:17.840 --> 1:50:20.200 half baked take. So what's your You give yours. 1:50:20.040 --> 1:50:22.360 First, because mine's going to undo yours, my. 1:50:22.439 --> 1:50:27.160 Half bag take on the kicker thing. If we get 1:50:27.200 --> 1:50:33.559 through the Minnesota game and Borgoalis is steady from what 1:50:33.640 --> 1:50:36.160 we've seen over the last what I would say, like 1:50:36.200 --> 1:50:38.439 a week and a half maybe from him, I think 1:50:38.439 --> 1:50:40.600 it's over. I think it's over. You're not going to 1:50:40.680 --> 1:50:42.160 cut a draft pick. 1:50:42.760 --> 1:50:44.760 Oh, I get to bring back my two kickers take. 1:50:45.240 --> 1:50:46.960 You're not going to cut the draft pick if it's 1:50:47.000 --> 1:50:50.960 even and he's already it's probably even to maybe a 1:50:51.000 --> 1:50:53.360 little bit of an edge towards Borgalis at this point. 1:50:53.800 --> 1:50:56.280 And I just don't see a world unless Borgoalis falls 1:50:56.280 --> 1:50:58.360 apart in the next couple of weeks. In the preseason 1:50:58.680 --> 1:50:59.880 where Parker Romo. 1:51:00.080 --> 1:51:02.439 When do you remember the two kickers take? Yeah, I 1:51:02.560 --> 1:51:03.120 was very proud. 1:51:03.240 --> 1:51:04.479 What was your actual kicker take? 1:51:04.560 --> 1:51:06.200 So my actual kicker take is this. It has been 1:51:06.200 --> 1:51:08.840 closed between the two of them. They've both been absolutely nails. 1:51:08.840 --> 1:51:12.439 Borgals hasn't missed in like two weeks. H Parker Romo 1:51:12.560 --> 1:51:14.800 finally missed his first kick yesterday, and I'm not kidding 1:51:14.800 --> 1:51:17.160 he missed it by this much like they've both been 1:51:17.200 --> 1:51:20.960 locked in. So I'm thinking about this right, and we're 1:51:21.000 --> 1:51:23.920 missing half the story. When we talk about it. We 1:51:23.920 --> 1:51:26.760 we use the field goals because they're easy, right, it's 1:51:26.760 --> 1:51:30.080 good or it's not good. The field goals might not 1:51:30.120 --> 1:51:32.559 be the deciding factor here. If they're both good, it's 1:51:32.560 --> 1:51:34.400 gonna be the kick. It's gonna be the kickoffs. This 1:51:34.520 --> 1:51:37.200 is so you It's gonna be a kickoffs and I'm waiting. 1:51:37.240 --> 1:51:37.600 I love it. 1:51:37.680 --> 1:51:39.840 Can't wait till we get to talk talk to Jeremy Springer, Yanks. 1:51:39.880 --> 1:51:40.800 I want to ask them about this. 1:51:40.840 --> 1:51:43.320 I can't wait, Marian to talk to the special you 1:51:44.760 --> 1:51:47.360 can't wait. Yeah, so sorry. Sorry. 1:51:47.400 --> 1:51:49.120 Springer's talked about how he thinks there's going to be 1:51:49.160 --> 1:51:50.880 more kickoff returns this year. They moved that touch back 1:51:50.960 --> 1:51:52.600 up to the thirty five. Right. Team don't want to 1:51:52.600 --> 1:51:54.479 deal with that, So that tells me the Patriots don't 1:51:54.479 --> 1:51:55.600 want to deal with it. They want to put the 1:51:55.600 --> 1:51:58.479 ball and play and cover, So you got to be able. 1:51:58.920 --> 1:52:00.840 You can't be kicking the ball in the end zone. Yeah, 1:52:00.880 --> 1:52:02.240 but you don't want to kick it so short that 1:52:02.320 --> 1:52:05.000 you can't set up your return coverage. So follow you 1:52:05.080 --> 1:52:07.439 need which kicker can work it if they're both hitting 1:52:07.479 --> 1:52:10.479 every field goal, right, Okay, which kicker is better at kickoffs? 1:52:10.520 --> 1:52:12.960 Which one's consistently getting the ball inside the five but 1:52:13.040 --> 1:52:15.400 not putting it in the end zone. Now that's not 1:52:15.479 --> 1:52:17.639 as black and white judging as field goals because even 1:52:17.640 --> 1:52:19.639 if they put it in the side the five, there 1:52:19.680 --> 1:52:22.120 is a play call on that we don't know. And Okay, 1:52:22.120 --> 1:52:24.120 he put it inside, but it was on the right 1:52:24.160 --> 1:52:25.800 sideline when it was supposed to be in the middle, 1:52:25.840 --> 1:52:27.360 or he kicked it like this and he's supposed to 1:52:27.400 --> 1:52:30.320 kick like that. Whatever, Right, But it might come down 1:52:30.360 --> 1:52:34.320 to who's the better kickoff kicker, and again not knowing 1:52:34.320 --> 1:52:36.840 the play calls, just looking at who's more consistently getting 1:52:36.840 --> 1:52:38.479 the ball in that range where you want to get it. 1:52:39.080 --> 1:52:42.120 I would say Borgoalis by a smidge in the kickoff 1:52:42.160 --> 1:52:45.120 stuff we've seen them do in practice. Hopefully the Patriots 1:52:45.120 --> 1:52:46.439 are scoring a lot, because I want to see a 1:52:46.439 --> 1:52:48.120 lot of kickoffs, because I think that might be more 1:52:48.120 --> 1:52:50.479 than anything else, which determines the kicker battle. That might 1:52:50.520 --> 1:52:52.160 matter more than the field goals. If they're both going 1:52:52.200 --> 1:52:53.000 to be this good. 1:52:52.880 --> 1:52:55.200 I just don't see a world and also. 1:52:54.920 --> 1:52:57.000 Sorry, I want with that the kickoff returner battle is 1:52:57.040 --> 1:52:57.439 important too. 1:52:57.479 --> 1:52:59.560 We'll see that's smart night, So begals. You invested a 1:52:59.600 --> 1:53:02.000 six round I'm picking the guy, and I just feel 1:53:02.000 --> 1:53:03.559 like it would have to have been an app like 1:53:03.600 --> 1:53:07.240 a Justin rhor Wasser esque train wreck for to cut 1:53:07.280 --> 1:53:11.040 a sixth round pick. And the fact that Bergalis is 1:53:11.640 --> 1:53:14.519 at least even with Parker Roman and probably maybe a 1:53:14.560 --> 1:53:16.439 little bit better at this point than Parker Romo. 1:53:16.479 --> 1:53:19.160 Parco hadn't missed till Yes, that's kind of insane. He 1:53:19.280 --> 1:53:21.639 was like twenty I think he ate his first twenty 1:53:21.720 --> 1:53:24.639 three before he missed it. Just that's wild. 1:53:24.920 --> 1:53:26.760 It's hard for me to envision a world where they 1:53:26.760 --> 1:53:30.200 cut the draft pick. It is, so that's it. 1:53:30.240 --> 1:53:32.200 I will sort of bring back my two kicker takes now, 1:53:32.360 --> 1:53:34.760 don't there are not. I'm not saying they're going to 1:53:34.840 --> 1:53:35.320 keep two kickers. 1:53:35.320 --> 1:53:36.320 You think they're gonna try even. 1:53:36.200 --> 1:53:38.360 Though I met fifty two players on my roster projection 1:53:38.520 --> 1:53:40.000 right now. And I could do it if I wanted. 1:53:40.240 --> 1:53:42.240 I could do it if I wanted. Yes, they could 1:53:42.280 --> 1:53:45.000 maybe if a team's worried about the kicker situation, if 1:53:45.120 --> 1:53:47.599 Parker Romo is still not missing in the preseason, can 1:53:47.600 --> 1:53:49.439 they get when they get a seventh round pick for Nicktop, 1:53:49.680 --> 1:53:51.719 can you do some sort of pick swap or something 1:53:51.760 --> 1:53:53.400 and get a pick for John Parker Romo? 1:53:53.720 --> 1:53:55.519 So really quickly, and then we got to go. I 1:53:55.560 --> 1:53:57.920 want to I want to unpack your your kickoff thing 1:53:57.960 --> 1:53:59.719 a little bit because I think this is I actually 1:53:59.720 --> 1:54:01.479 find it a tad a bit interesting. 1:54:01.560 --> 1:54:03.679 It is interesting and the play is interesting. 1:54:03.760 --> 1:54:10.519 So basically, the the best kick in the current rules 1:54:11.120 --> 1:54:14.400 is to bounce it like inside the ten yard line, 1:54:14.680 --> 1:54:16.120 but to like keep it in bounce. 1:54:16.320 --> 1:54:17.920 No, so the best thing you. 1:54:17.880 --> 1:54:20.320 Can do because he has to go in the landing zone. 1:54:20.400 --> 1:54:23.840 Right. So okay, so a touchback, there's two touchbacks now. 1:54:23.720 --> 1:54:25.760 Because it bounces into the end zone. It's the last 1:54:25.760 --> 1:54:26.719 Touchbown's twenty. 1:54:26.800 --> 1:54:28.800 That's to the twenty. That's the old touchbacks. So that's 1:54:28.840 --> 1:54:31.559 what you want to do, right, But are any teams 1:54:31.640 --> 1:54:33.640 just gonna willingly let the ball bounce into the end 1:54:33.720 --> 1:54:37.520 zone and start at the twenty. Maybe I don't think so. 1:54:38.040 --> 1:54:40.640 If you don't trust yourself in this format to return 1:54:40.680 --> 1:54:42.600 the ball to the twenty, I'm sorry, you suck. 1:54:43.000 --> 1:54:43.280 You know. 1:54:43.400 --> 1:54:45.440 It's not that you don't trust it, but a lot 1:54:45.440 --> 1:54:47.800 of a lot of coaches I you don't. It's not 1:54:47.840 --> 1:54:50.240 so much about the return, it's about this ball security. 1:54:50.280 --> 1:54:51.880 I think for a lot of coaches. 1:54:51.920 --> 1:54:53.800 If you don't trust yourself to hold onto the ball 1:54:54.040 --> 1:54:56.440 and run twenty yards and risk that much field position. 1:54:56.520 --> 1:54:59.280 Remember they're lining up on the thirty five. Yeah, right, 1:54:59.360 --> 1:55:00.880 that's that's where the coverage team is. 1:55:01.040 --> 1:55:05.320 So so in your mind, the best where would you want? Ideally, 1:55:05.560 --> 1:55:08.480 because you want the ball, you want to put the 1:55:08.520 --> 1:55:13.240 ball in the landing zone, but not in the end zone. 1:55:13.280 --> 1:55:15.000 You can't come short. Short of the landing zone is 1:55:15.040 --> 1:55:15.760 the forty. 1:55:15.520 --> 1:55:17.560 Right, But you don't want it to go in the end. 1:55:17.520 --> 1:55:19.160 You can't go directly the end zones. That's thirty five. 1:55:19.160 --> 1:55:21.040 So this is what I need to ask Springer, because 1:55:21.080 --> 1:55:23.640 I've heard both sides of the arguments on this. If 1:55:23.680 --> 1:55:26.160 you kick it as deep as possible without it going 1:55:26.200 --> 1:55:29.360 into the end zone, you have more time to develop 1:55:29.440 --> 1:55:31.880 your coverage, play whatever you have drawn up, because there's 1:55:31.880 --> 1:55:33.000 like stunts and twists and stuff. 1:55:33.160 --> 1:55:35.080 Oh yeah, no, they were pretty creative with it last year. 1:55:35.120 --> 1:55:38.080 But the flip side of that is if you kick 1:55:38.120 --> 1:55:41.320 it to like the eighteen nineteen, well, now the other 1:55:41.360 --> 1:55:44.360 team doesn't have time to set up their blocking, So 1:55:45.120 --> 1:55:47.760 that might just be I might ask him and he'll say, 1:55:47.760 --> 1:55:49.840 I can't give away that strategy, like that might be 1:55:49.880 --> 1:55:52.760 a different thing team to team. I look at it 1:55:52.840 --> 1:55:54.560 like a punt. I want to put it as close 1:55:54.560 --> 1:55:57.160 to the goal line as possible as Also, then you're 1:55:57.200 --> 1:55:59.320 pressuring them to catch it and not let it roll 1:55:59.360 --> 1:56:01.640 into the end zone at the eighteen, Like it's not 1:56:01.640 --> 1:56:02.800 gonna ll the end zone for the eighteen. 1:56:02.880 --> 1:56:05.040 But what I would say is the ideal and then 1:56:05.080 --> 1:56:07.440 we got to go. But I we started a little late, 1:56:07.480 --> 1:56:09.920 so it's okay. Yeah, what I would say is the ideal. 1:56:09.960 --> 1:56:11.520 And the people that are listening to this. 1:56:11.520 --> 1:56:12.680 Right now, these are the ones. 1:56:12.760 --> 1:56:14.000 These are the diehards. 1:56:14.040 --> 1:56:17.840 We call these p ones. I if it would me, yeah. 1:56:17.600 --> 1:56:20.840 I would want to land it like right outside the 1:56:20.920 --> 1:56:23.640 end zone. Yeah, and I'm putting it right on a 1:56:23.720 --> 1:56:28.280 spot that Brennan's schooler is just sprinting to as part 1:56:28.320 --> 1:56:32.000 of the coverage unit, and I am hoping that Brennan's 1:56:32.000 --> 1:56:35.120 school is, like in Tennessee last year, is going to 1:56:35.160 --> 1:56:37.280 come down and light the dude up. 1:56:37.360 --> 1:56:38.400 Well right like that, You have to. 1:56:38.400 --> 1:56:41.280 Remember the schooler can't move until the ball is caught, right, So, 1:56:41.760 --> 1:56:43.680 but he's still got up over twenty miles an hour 1:56:43.720 --> 1:56:44.960 in Tennessee, he. 1:56:44.960 --> 1:56:47.840 Did, but the guy's going to be gone by the time. 1:56:47.880 --> 1:56:50.200 Schooler's got to go thirty five yards to get to 1:56:50.200 --> 1:56:52.880 where that ball is, and he can't start running till 1:56:52.880 --> 1:56:53.560 the guys already caught. 1:56:53.640 --> 1:56:55.200 No, I'm not saying he's going to get the ball. 1:56:55.360 --> 1:56:57.360 I'm saying he's just going to be in the path 1:56:57.480 --> 1:56:59.520 so that when the guy starts moving up the field, 1:56:59.840 --> 1:57:01.880 you can get that collision. So then when you have 1:57:01.960 --> 1:57:05.160 to do either that's it's to fear, feel position or 1:57:05.280 --> 1:57:07.600 maybe even you make it. 1:57:07.680 --> 1:57:10.560 That makes sense, But that's hard because you can't kick it. 1:57:11.000 --> 1:57:13.280 This is where I like when I said we don't 1:57:13.320 --> 1:57:15.360 know exactly what the kickoff play is, we can't fully 1:57:15.440 --> 1:57:18.000 judge it. You can't run that play if you're kicking 1:57:18.000 --> 1:57:19.360 the ball in the middle of the field. Because now 1:57:19.400 --> 1:57:20.200 the returner. 1:57:19.840 --> 1:57:21.600 Can go left right, you have to You've got to 1:57:21.640 --> 1:57:23.320 pin him in the corner, which is hard, you. 1:57:23.280 --> 1:57:25.680 Know, goes out of bounds. Now you really blue, so 1:57:25.760 --> 1:57:27.640 you're trying to really I kind of like it because 1:57:27.680 --> 1:57:29.840 the old it's not back, but the old coffin corner 1:57:29.880 --> 1:57:32.080 sort it back. If you're going to do that, ideally 1:57:32.120 --> 1:57:34.080 of school, are in another guy and you kick in 1:57:34.160 --> 1:57:36.520 the middle, and you vice that's what I would do. 1:57:36.680 --> 1:57:39.680 Okay, just I think I know the answer to this. Yeah, 1:57:40.160 --> 1:57:41.600 you have to kick it off the tee. 1:57:42.320 --> 1:57:45.760 So somebody told me they changed that, and then I 1:57:45.760 --> 1:57:47.480 don't know. I thought I saw them doing it it camp. 1:57:47.520 --> 1:57:49.840 The other thing is like last year teams figured out 1:57:49.840 --> 1:57:51.680 if you laid the ball down flat on the tee 1:57:52.080 --> 1:57:53.640 instead of standing up. I want to make you go 1:57:53.680 --> 1:57:55.320 get me one of those footballs to show it. Yeah, 1:57:55.520 --> 1:57:57.600 like if you laid the ball flat on the tee, 1:57:57.600 --> 1:57:59.760 you could put this weird spin on it, which now 1:57:59.760 --> 1:58:01.400 that you don't need to kick it as far teams 1:58:01.440 --> 1:58:02.840 willing to do. And then they said, no, it has 1:58:02.880 --> 1:58:03.640 to be standing up on it. 1:58:03.680 --> 1:58:04.840 But you can't drop kick it. 1:58:05.240 --> 1:58:07.240 You can't. Well, you still do the drop kick but 1:58:07.280 --> 1:58:08.080 that's a whole other thing. 1:58:08.600 --> 1:58:11.040 I know. But I'm saying, like, they can't put like 1:58:11.120 --> 1:58:14.320 Bryce Barringer out there to literally punt it. It has 1:58:14.400 --> 1:58:16.440 to be it's not a free kick like you have. 1:58:16.560 --> 1:58:18.360 You can't do a free kick. No, But there was 1:58:18.400 --> 1:58:22.800 a thing where some teams were literally experimenting, do you 1:58:22.880 --> 1:58:26.080 know what driver off the deck means? Yes, essentially that 1:58:26.120 --> 1:58:28.480 they were just going to put the ball on the grass, 1:58:28.880 --> 1:58:31.440 no tea and kick it because you could make it 1:58:31.480 --> 1:58:33.640 spin a certain way and it made it really hard 1:58:33.680 --> 1:58:35.520 to catch, and it just created a whole other thing 1:58:35.560 --> 1:58:37.720 for the return team to worry about. And then the 1:58:37.800 --> 1:58:39.720 league said, no, the ball has to be upright on 1:58:39.760 --> 1:58:43.000 the tee. But then there was a whole conversation about okay, 1:58:43.040 --> 1:58:44.600 well it has to be upright on the tee. What 1:58:44.640 --> 1:58:46.640 if it's not on the tee, can you kick off 1:58:46.680 --> 1:58:49.480 without a tea? And I don't remember where that conversation went. 1:58:49.560 --> 1:58:50.920 That's another thing we have to ask Springer. 1:58:51.080 --> 1:58:53.480 Okay, so this this is the only show that you're 1:58:53.480 --> 1:58:55.760 going to get ten minutes on the kickoffs. I promise 1:58:55.800 --> 1:58:58.000 you that, like this is the only show in New 1:58:58.040 --> 1:59:00.480 England that is going to talk about the kicks and 1:59:00.520 --> 1:59:03.720 break down the kickoffs like we just did. So you're welcome. 1:59:03.760 --> 1:59:07.040 I hope you enjoyed it. You're welcome. That was just 1:59:07.080 --> 1:59:10.320 for you guys. There. So next week, a couple housekeeping 1:59:10.360 --> 1:59:13.040 things here before we sign off. I am going to 1:59:13.200 --> 1:59:16.560 Minnesota next week for the joint practices. We are going 1:59:16.600 --> 1:59:18.960 to have a show. It's going to be Thursday, four 1:59:19.000 --> 1:59:22.600 to six pm Eastern time because the Vikings practice at 1:59:22.680 --> 1:59:27.360 noon Central time, so there's like time differences. I'm not 1:59:27.400 --> 1:59:29.520 going to try to confuse you guys. It's math. It's hard. 1:59:30.040 --> 1:59:31.960 But we're going to be on from four to six 1:59:32.040 --> 1:59:34.960 Eastern time next Thursday, so we will have a show. 1:59:35.120 --> 1:59:38.040 We will talk about both practices, so we'll have plenty 1:59:38.040 --> 1:59:40.080 of things to talk about. I will which will be 1:59:40.640 --> 1:59:43.320 all well and good and lots of fun. And so 1:59:43.360 --> 1:59:45.400 then we'll see you guys. Then, thanks for watching, thanks 1:59:45.440 --> 1:59:48.080 for listening, Thanks for listening to the special teams talk 1:59:48.120 --> 1:59:50.200 as well. 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