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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex bar and Lazarre Hell, everybody nailed it.

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Speaker 2: Joined as always buy our bar gas. Here is Evan

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Speaker 2: Lazar and Alex Bars. Now you can play action. Now

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Speaker 2: you can boot, you can move the pocket off of

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Speaker 2: that that that's how you can protect the quarterback. And

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Speaker 2: not only are you protecting the quarterback, but you're protecting

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Speaker 2: the pass protection as well because you're doing these things

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Speaker 2: schematically that give the defense pause and force the defense

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Speaker 2: to respect the run and respect the actions in the backfield.

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Speaker 2: So let me just get the stray all of these things.

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Speaker 2: It's not where I want to be like, it's not

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Speaker 2: like the end goal. It's not the end.

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Speaker 1: But you're acknowledging the run can set up the past.

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Speaker 1: That whole argument we had this or about saying being

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Speaker 1: tough on the line of scrimmage and pushing the defense

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Speaker 1: around initially can benefit you later in the game.

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Speaker 2: I am acknowledging that run actions mean more than just

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Speaker 2: running the footballs. How did you like that?

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Speaker 3: For?

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Speaker 2: Weaseling out of saying that running the football sets up

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Speaker 2: play action? That was that was pro by me? There,

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Speaker 2: You just admitted it. No I saw you did? You

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Speaker 2: just admitted I said, except what I said.

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Speaker 1: Hello, You said that was establishing the run works?

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Speaker 2: No I didn't. I said that run actions are sell

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Speaker 2: to the defense.

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Speaker 1: That's just establishing the run with that's more worthy.

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Speaker 2: It's not about but it's not about volume of running.

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Speaker 2: It's just about showing.

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Speaker 1: Nobody ever say establishing the run was a volume thing.

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Speaker 2: How else would you establish the run.

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Speaker 1: You have to feed the round, running the football well.

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Speaker 2: Or running running it early. Established the run at a

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Speaker 2: high volume.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so that the number is not zero. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean run it ten times in a row.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know. I feel like that's established.

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Speaker 1: I've never viewed established the run as a volume thing.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's a that's a good semantic.

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Speaker 1: There are times where I would campaign for volume running

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Speaker 1: of the I usually say that running the hell out

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Speaker 1: of the ball or running the damn ball. But when

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Speaker 1: I say establishing the run, I mean running it well,

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Speaker 1: not running it. If you run the ball ten times

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Speaker 1: in a row and all ten runs go nowhere, you

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Speaker 1: didn't establish the run.

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Speaker 2: You just ran the ball into a brick wall, right,

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Speaker 2: which is what the nerds say, is the issue with

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Speaker 2: the conversation is like you are just purposely three yards

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Speaker 2: in a cloud of dusting it because you just want

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Speaker 2: to establish the run.

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Speaker 1: To me, if you know, if your first run gets

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Speaker 1: stuffed and you'd never try it again, that's stupid too.

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Speaker 1: Like there's you got to realize when you know when

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Speaker 1: you got to kind of make an adjustment. But like,

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Speaker 1: to me, establishing the run means, say you run it

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Speaker 1: like five times on your first drive, right, three of

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Speaker 1: them go for five plus, one of them goes for

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Speaker 1: ten plus. Now in the defense has said, oh crap,

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Speaker 1: they can run on us. We got to stack the box,

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Speaker 1: because they're just going to run on us all damn

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Speaker 1: day if we keep doing what we're doing. They've already

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Speaker 1: ripped off good ones here in five plays like that.

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Speaker 1: To me, once you've established that mental sided, that's what

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Speaker 1: establishing the run is to make. It's making the defense

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Speaker 1: change the way they approach it. If you run ten

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Speaker 1: times in a row, the defense stops all of it

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Speaker 1: and changes nothing. You didn't establish the run, you tried to,

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Speaker 1: but you didn't.

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Speaker 2: So quick story and then well, I promise we'll get

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Speaker 2: to the real part of the show that was not

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Speaker 2: This a fun but quick story. So I just humble

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Speaker 2: Bragg just bumped into the mccordy Twins on my way

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Speaker 2: in this morning into the stadium because they are going

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Speaker 2: to be broadcasting the game along with your friend Scott

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Speaker 2: Zolac on w BZ. I think right Local, CBS Local.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you should not the preseason game, the

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Speaker 2: preseason opener between the Patriots and the Commanders here at

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Speaker 2: Gillette Stadium at seven thirty pm Eastern time tomorrow. I

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Speaker 2: should also say tomorrow, I mean Friday, if you're listening

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Speaker 2: to this on the on the on demand. And I

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Speaker 2: should also mention the Tom Brady statue going in tomorrow

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Speaker 2: kickoff six o'clock in the plaza, so that will be

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Speaker 2: exciting as well. If you have tickets to the game.

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Speaker 2: I think this is an important thing to say. If

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Speaker 2: able to watch the Brady statue ceremony on the scoreboard

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Speaker 2: and on the on the video boards so you don't

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Speaker 2: have to necessarily be in the plaza for that. You

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Speaker 2: can watch it as well in the stadium if you

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Speaker 2: have a ticket to the preseason game. Enough plugs now

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Speaker 2: did the company thing. But I saw the mccordey twins

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Speaker 2: and it made me think of this story. Devin said

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Speaker 2: this story at some point, I don't know when that

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Speaker 2: to this play action thing that Vince will Fork used

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Speaker 2: to tell him before games. Don't be coming up here,

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Speaker 2: he would tell Devon. He'd say, don't worry about the run,

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Speaker 2: like I got the run, like you go worry about

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Speaker 2: you know what's going on behind me? Right, Like, don't

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Speaker 2: be coming up here. And he said that Vince Wilfork

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Speaker 2: anytime the safeties would like bite on play action and

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Speaker 2: start screaming upfield to try to stop the run and

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Speaker 2: they give up a play because of that, Vince Wilfork

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Speaker 2: would just be irate, like he would just get on

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Speaker 2: their butts for it. He would just be like, do

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: And Vince Wilfork, I will stop the run. You worry

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Speaker 2: about the receivers not getting behind you. So that's that's

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Speaker 2: the whole thing, right, Like that's the whole.

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Speaker 1: That's point is like, if the other team doesn't, if

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Speaker 1: the safety is don't have to keep come screaming up,

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Speaker 1: does the defensive line taking care of the run? You

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Speaker 2: All right? So let's talk about practice. And I wanted

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Speaker 2: to segue into that by saying, let's talk about practice,

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Speaker 2: because I do think it's worth saying. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of positive reviews about what the Patriots did yesterday against

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Speaker 2: to take away from that. I don't want to rain

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Speaker 2: on parades. I don't want to do anything like that.

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Speaker 2: But we are talking about practice, so I want to

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Speaker 2: keep that in perspective. They haven't they're not going to

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Speaker 2: With that being said, with that caveat aside, it was

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Speaker 2: a really positive day for the Patriots yesterday. I thought

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Speaker 2: offensively for about ninety five percent of the practice they

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Speaker 2: have to put that in there. The yeah, but of it.

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Speaker 1: All, did you hear me try to explain it on

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Speaker 1: Felgrin Maz yesterday. No, but I called it a competitive

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Speaker 1: interception and got yelled at.

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Speaker 2: Oh good, good, good way to put it. Competitive interception.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't in the sense like it wasn't a spray.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't like, what the hell is he thinking? Kind

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Speaker 1: Fame linebacker jumped into it. Yeah, that's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: So the most positive point, and I want to go

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Speaker 2: big picture like we always do, and we're going to

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Speaker 2: go small, go into the details, into the weeds, and

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Speaker 2: I have notes, you know, facilitate notes of how like

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Speaker 2: we're going to hit every position. I promise we're going

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Speaker 2: to get into the minutia here. But the big picture

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Speaker 2: thought that I had taking away from this was that

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Speaker 2: I really thought I saw offensively, and I will admit

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Speaker 2: that I watch more of the offense and the defense.

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Speaker 2: Oh good, that'll be a good show. The offensively. I

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Speaker 2: felt like I was seeing a lot of teach tape

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Speaker 2: of the Josh McDaniels offense, like when they ran a

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Speaker 2: how it's supposed to look when we put the play

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Speaker 2: and we're going to read it like this. Like I

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Speaker 2: saw a lot of plays where the initial look that

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Speaker 2: The ball is out on time, it was on the

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Speaker 2: Mario Douglas just right out of the McDaniels playbook of

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Speaker 2: most encouraging part because I've seen joint practices and years past.

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Speaker 2: a second, because that was just I'm gonna be blunt.

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Speaker 2: That was just a train wreck, right, That was just

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Speaker 1: Was a historically good front against a historically bad line.

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Speaker 2: I'm more talking about joint practices two years ago with

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Speaker 2: blips here and there where, Like Devonte Parker. I think

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Speaker 2: in the Green Bay practice, they did like the forty

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Speaker 2: at the end of one of those practices in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 2: But this practice was like consistent. This looks like a

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Speaker 2: Patriot offense. Just looks in rhythm. This looks on time.

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Speaker 2: The line is holding up, Drake May is making the

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Speaker 2: it's out on time, it's on the receiver, and we're going.

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Speaker 2: And that I have not seen in a Patriot joint

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Speaker 2: practice in quite some time, probably since Brady was here. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: So me and Reese both said that Re said on

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Speaker 2: And yesterday I felt like we were there. I felt

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And I just thought, you know, he

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Speaker 1: Still the route. Yeah, he's still very much in the

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Speaker 1: have drilled that over and over and over, so you know,

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Speaker 1: he trusts Booty to be at the right place at

436
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,920
Speaker 1: the right time. Booty knows when and where the ball

437
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,520
Speaker 1: is going to be without having to look for it.

438
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 1: Like that's that's what you want to see. That's how

439
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 1: you develop an offense.

440
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 2: So there are his flowers. That was his bouquet of

441
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:57,239
Speaker 2: roses at the feet for what he did yesterday, the

442
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 2: interception at the end. I do want to break it

443
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,240
Speaker 2: down and talk about it. I think the biggest thing

444
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 2: that I and I'm not in Drake May's head. This

445
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,960
Speaker 2: is just my read on it and based off of

446
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 2: what he said after practice, I feel pretty good that

447
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 2: this is basically what happened and you know, can talk

448
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 2: about it like this. I think sometimes when he gets

449
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 2: down there by the goal line, he gets a little

450
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 2: bit uh excited, over zealous, right like so when he

451
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 2: saw you know, Pop Douglas is working in the slot,

452
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,360
Speaker 2: and I want to get to Pop later in the show,

453
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 2: where I thought was also a clear standout.

454
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,920
Speaker 1: Yesterday, best player on the field.

455
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Speaker 2: Yes, So Pop Douglas gets open right off the line

456
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 2: on a slant and he's open like he's going to

457
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,960
Speaker 2: walk into the end zone, and all Drake May has

458
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 2: to do is put the ball on him. And I

459
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,919
Speaker 2: feel like Drake just got a little bit like, oh

460
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,280
Speaker 2: he's open, you know, like he just gets a little excited,

461
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 2: and he didn't see out of the corner of his

462
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 2: eye that Bobby Wagner was reading Drake's eyes. So all

463
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,920
Speaker 2: Drake may did was he caught the football, went right

464
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 2: to Pop Douglas, and he just brought Bobby Wagner right

465
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: to the passing lane. He brought him right to the party.

466
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 2: And he said after practice that he needs to look

467
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Speaker 2: Bobby Wagner off or maybe start left and then come

468
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 2: back right, but just have some sort of eye manipulation

469
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: involved in the process there to make sure that Bobby

470
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Speaker 2: Wagner doesn't get there. Instead, what he said he tried

471
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,399
Speaker 2: to do is just throw it as hard as he

472
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Speaker 2: could and basically throw it through Bobby Wagner. And when

473
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Speaker 2: you play a really good player like like Wagner, you

474
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Speaker 2: called him a future Hall of Famer. I think that's valid.

475
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: I think that's that's fair debate. Probably not, but yeah,

476
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 2: so Bobby Wagner just made a really good play on

477
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Speaker 2: the football. With that being said, I think there is

478
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Speaker 2: a conversation that certainly we bring up a lot on

479
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 2: PU Andduce is the ringleader of this of just finishing

480
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 2: and clutching late and having that ability to put the

481
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Speaker 2: team over the top in those moments. And it's now

482
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Speaker 2: it's practice. So I'm not gonna sit here and say

483
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 2: it's the same as him failing to do that in

484
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Speaker 2: the game. But we saw this last year and I

485
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 2: looked it up real quick because I was just curious.

486
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 2: No game winning drives or fourth quarter comebacks for Drake

487
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Speaker 2: May last year. Jamean Daniels had four of them. I

488
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: mean five, Well they say four. I don't know. I

489
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: go buy Pro Football Reference. I don't know if it's

490
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 2: four or five. Fine, four is what they have. Jamie

491
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: Daniels had four of them. Drake May had zero at

492
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Speaker 2: North Carolina. I feel like this was a similar conversation

493
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 2: that they were having about Drake May where he looks

494
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: like an All American or he looks like a franchise quarterback.

495
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:46,919
Speaker 2: Now at this level, from the eye test, you see it.

496
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,959
Speaker 2: You see the tools, you see the ability, you see

497
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 2: the throwing ability in the in the shot making like

498
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: you see, it's all right there for you to watch.

499
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: But then when it comes down to it. You're in

500
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Speaker 2: the fourth quarter and you look at the scoreboard and

501
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 2: somehow his team is losing, right, And I feel like

502
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 2: that happened quite a bit at North Carolina, especially the

503
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 2: second year as a starter at North Carolina quite a bit.

504
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 2: So you just hope, and I'm not saying that it

505
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: necessarily is a pattern just yet in the NFL, because

506
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,879
Speaker 2: I think last year it's fair to hold it against

507
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: him completely that they were in those positions. But you

508
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 2: just hope that that's not gonna become a pattern at

509
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 2: this level. And that's sort of the story, right, is

510
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 2: that this looks the part looks great in shorts franchise quarterback,

511
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 2: all the bells and whistles, but when it comes down

512
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: to clutching late situations, they just don't get over the hump.

513
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 2: And now I'm not saying that means they're gonna win

514
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Speaker 2: four games. Maybe that means that they only win like

515
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 2: eight or ninezer instead of ten to eleven.

516
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Speaker 1: Playoff team look to get to get the playoffs, they're

517
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: gonna to steal some games. Yeah, that usually means winning late. No,

518
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, and we saw it in the end stadium,

519
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 1: and he's got to be better late in those games. Now,

520
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,400
Speaker 1: being better in general will help with that. I think

521
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 1: it's really starting and finishing. Like he's good in the middle.

522
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: He's just got and if he starts better, you'll have

523
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 1: less of these like late game situations. But that is

524
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Speaker 1: like the next step for him.

525
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it is. And I mean you

526
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: knew his North Carolina career probably better than me, Like

527
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Speaker 2: did you feel like that was the narrative about him

528
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: at North Carolina too, because I remember in the draft

529
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 2: that's talking about this a little bit.

530
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Speaker 1: The second year more so, but also that program was

531
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Speaker 1: that's kind of always been North Carolina, like even before

532
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Speaker 1: Drake May And some programs are just you look at

533
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Speaker 1: them at like Nebraska's another one. You look at Nebraska.

534
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: If Nebraska's in a close game late, I don't care

535
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: who's the quarterback, They're going to lose. That's just what

536
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: they do. I think they had like eight one score

537
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: losses last a couple of years ago something like that.

538
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: I don't remember. They had some absurd stat about close losses.

539
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: But like, North Carolina's just always sort of been one

540
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: of those teams that you don't love in a close game,

541
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,880
Speaker 1: and that predates Drake May so hopefully kind of here

542
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: that's off of him now. And also we'll see what

543
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: Bill can do about that down there, because that's something

544
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: we know Bill's not going to stand for. Just kind

545
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 1: of on a tangent. But yeah, I guess that was

546
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: a thing during his college career. But I and maybe

547
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: this is just a college football fan and me I

548
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: looked at it more of like that's North Carolina, that's

549
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Speaker 1: what they do.

550
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 2: I do wonder if that's something that you can coach,

551
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 2: Like is that something Rabel can realistically because Rabel was

552
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: a clutch player, and Rabel was a winning player. He's

553
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: been a successful head coach with the tight Ends where

554
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 2: they won a lot of these types of games that

555
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: they probably shouldn't have won at times with Tennessee. Like

556
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 2: can you instill that in a player? Not saying that

557
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: it's not in there? Maybe it's more like like like

558
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 2: Rabel just needs to kind of get it out of

559
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 2: him more, you know, extent, Like you can't create that

560
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: in somebody, like you're not just gonna turn him into

561
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 2: Tom Brady, right, But.

562
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Speaker 1: I do think there are ways to kind of drill

563
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: it into him. And I think there's waste to coach

564
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: around it too, which ideally you don't want to do

565
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: with the quarterback position, but I think you can. There's

566
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: been some quarterbacks who I'm trying to think of an

567
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: example off the top of my head, who are like

568
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: not super clutch in college, and.

569
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Speaker 2: I don't think that that was really the narrative on Mahomes,

570
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: Like I don't Mahomes at Texas Tech last.

571
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: Homes was just like Mahomes wasn't like great at Texas Tech.

572
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: He was.

573
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: He was good, but he wasn't right, but he had

574
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 2: he had good production at Texas Tech because of that

575
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 2: offense in the style of.

576
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: You to talk about like good production without winning. He

577
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: was definitely one of those guys.

578
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 2: I think that if you are a Patriots fan and

579
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 2: you want to Now I'm not say Mahomes has what

580
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 2: three super bowls, Like I'm not saying that Drake May

581
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 2: is gonna win three super Bowls, But if you're a

582
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 2: Patriots fan and you're hoping that that doesn't translate, that's

583
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: one thing that that doesn't translate from college to the

584
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: pros for Drake May. The active quarterback that I can

585
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: think of that that was like that in college and

586
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: overcame it in the pros is Mahomes.

587
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: I'll give you another one, or it works in the reverse.

588
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: Justin Fields is actually seen as a pretty clutch college quarterback.

589
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't know how many close games

590
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: he's in because he just hasn't been good, but I

591
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: don't right like, he hasn't necessarily been in that spot.

592
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: So all right, moving on, not a pretty impressive practice,

593
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 2: I would say from Josh Dobbs, like, I just want

594
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 2: to throw that out there, not that not that it

595
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 2: matters that bit much in the grand scheme of things,

596
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: but I just wanted to say that for the credit.

597
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: Where credits do we do that?

598
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: We talk about the whole roster, right you always get

599
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 2: on me about talking about the whole team.

600
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: That's fair.

601
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: I'm covering the whole day once. But I thought that

602
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: he had a nice practice himself. I got maybe the

603
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 2: best throw that actually was completed was the slot fade

604
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: to Matt Collins at the end of practice, Like that

605
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: was probably the best best completion of the practice for

606
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: either team that I saw, and it was a throw

607
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: by Josh Dobbs, so credit to him. I want to

608
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 2: talk about the offensive line. I was going to go

609
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: receiver first, but I'm an offensive line guy, so we're

610
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: going to go on offensive line first. I was really

611
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: felt really good at coming out of the practice about

612
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: the way that the starting five looked. Now it wasn't

613
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 2: the full starting five. Morgan Moses continues to be a

614
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: limited participant, as he has been pretty much all summer.

615
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: I am I still am small sea concerned about that,

616
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: but I understand like it's a plan, there's a there's

617
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 2: a plan in mind, and Rabel has a plan for

618
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: the Morgan Moses and it's year twelve and he's thirty four,

619
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: and they're just trying to keep them healthy. It's I

620
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: think Carlton Davis is in a similar boat. And when

621
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: Week one rolls around against the Raiders, then Morgan Moses

622
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: is going to be out there and right tackle. That's

623
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm yeah, uh, that's what I'm holding out

624
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: hope for. But really the focus yesterday was on the

625
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: left side of the line.

626
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: Let's see this though on Moses, Like, I'm not concerned

627
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: injury wise. It's not like, oh, there's some secret injury

628
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: they're hiding, and even if there is, he's generally played

629
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: through injuries. In his career. Are you worried at all

630
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: about you know, the five sets of eyes right see

631
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: through the same set of that thing, the chemistry with

632
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: the rest of the line. When when does he miss

633
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: too much time that you because I mean they still

634
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: have three preseason games and a bunch of practices left,

635
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: But like, when do you start to worry he could

636
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: be building chemistry with Drake in the line and he's

637
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: missing that opportunity or are you there yet?

638
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: I'm not there yet because I think the one advantage

639
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: is like if it's a tackle, like they're more out

640
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: on islands, then let's say the interior. I think it's

641
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: it's more important in terms of seeing it through the

642
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: same set of eyes with the three guys on the interior,

643
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: because that's they're gonna see the stunts, the picks, the

644
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: actions up front that defenses use to get guys free,

645
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: Like a lot of that stuff happens in between the

646
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 2: guards and not as much of it happens like when

647
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: you're out a tackle, it's kind of just the guys

648
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: out in front of you and you're just kind of

649
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: dancing with the edge rusher. When you have guys coming

650
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: through the a gaps that are blitzing, when you have stunts,

651
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: when you have twists like those things, the games like

652
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: that stuff all usually happens on the interior. So from

653
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: that aspect, like, if it has to be anybody that's

654
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: in and out of practice, I'd rather be a tackle

655
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: than the guard, if that makes sense. With Moses, my

656
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: concern more with him is that it's been better when

657
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: he's practiced in full. It's been better of late, So

658
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that this is just a slow build in

659
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 2: every aspect. But out of the shoot, I didn't think

660
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 2: he looked great in team when he was out there.

661
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: I thought he looked a little slow. But maybe that

662
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: was him just kind of easing into it and getting

663
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: his timing back and his rhythm back, because it's rhythmic

664
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: position tackle. You know, you gotta you gotta get your

665
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: feet right, you gotta get your cadence correct, you gotta

666
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 2: come out of the stance at the right time and

667
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: time up the snap count and like all that stuff.

668
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: So maybe it's that is a slow burn in all

669
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: fronts with Morgan Moses, which to your point, is not ideal.

670
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: It's not ideal from from that stampo.

671
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: Christ, Yeah, when I say, because I'm with you, I'm

672
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: like little concerned about Morgan Moses. When I say I'm concerned,

673
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: it's not like, oh my god, he's hurt, Like he's

674
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: already hurt in the thirty four year old. He's banged

675
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: up and he can't handle it. I'm not worried with doubt.

676
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: I think when the time comes to be out there,

677
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: he'll be out there. It's about him being on the

678
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: same page as everybody and being ready. It's just about him,

679
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: you know, getting ready for it. That there's a tipping

680
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: point with rest days, and look, to be fair, they've

681
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: given Carlton Davis a ton of rest days. I don't

682
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: think in terms of a how do I phrase this

683
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: because I don't want to minimize Carlton Davis is doing

684
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: because it shouldn't be like Carlton Davis's assignment is week

685
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: to we study this receiver, learn him, learn what he does,

686
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: cover him. I don't know how much of that he's

687
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: doing it practice. I don't know how deep Carlton Davis's

688
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: assignments are in the playbook compared to maybe what Morgan

689
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: Moses is doing. Right. Yeah, so Carlton Davis, I don't

690
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 1: think like it hurts him as much missing practice time.

691
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Like, I'm not saying that Carlton

692
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: Davis isn't I.

693
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: Feel no, I feel the same. I feel the same

694
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: way about Gonzales. I feel the same way about both

695
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 2: those corners. Like, as far as I'm concerned with Carlton

696
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: Davis and Christian Gonzales Week one against the Raiders, you

697
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: got to be out there, But until then you're on ice.

698
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: What are they gaining? I guess in these practice it's

699
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: what they stand to gain in these practices versus with

700
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: Moses gains. I think Moses can gain more of these practices.

701
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: I think it tackled in general, such as Moses. I

702
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: think a tackle can gain more in this setting than

703
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: a cornerback can, especially a veteran to a veteran. With Gonzalez,

704
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 1: take all the time, Like yeah, we want to take

705
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: all the time they need. I don't want to. You

706
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: don't rush a star player like that back, especially for

707
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, not meaningful games. Speaking of which, did you

708
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: have to like control yourself when Tatum walked out to practice.

709
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: We'll talk without anything. I want to talk about great

710
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: question of Drake made by the way good football talk.

711
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: Listen as every once in a while as a team employee,

712
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 2: I have to serve up a softball, all right, as.

713
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: About the Duke Q and c rafies. Not a softball

714
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: to those guys, haven't. That's the real deal.

715
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: Okay, So I want to I want to stick on

716
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: the topic of BND. Okay, h really quickly. I was

717
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: I going to say, we'll get back to the corners

718
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 2: and we can talk about that. Let's let's stick on

719
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: the offensive line. So I think the most encouraging thing, uh,

720
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: from this practice on overall was probably the play of

721
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: the offensive line and how a competent they looked, at

722
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: least the starting five. Will Campbell I thought really held

723
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: his own in team. I really I think I saw

724
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: I saw maybe one pressure that he allowed in team, uh.

725
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: But for the most part, I thought he was really

726
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 2: good in team. Now one on ones, Dietrich Wise and

727
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 2: him kind of went back and forth, and there was

728
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: some splitting of hairs of who won those.

729
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: Reps pressure in team, because there was one where I

730
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: thought Drake may stepped into it as much as he

731
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: allowed the pressure.

732
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: There was one where I thought he got beat around

733
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: his edge pretty good.

734
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: But we're talking about every ones.

735
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: I didn't really think. I was watching the line pretty

736
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 2: closely and I didn't really see much of it. There

737
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 2: was another one where it looked like he went to

738
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: go block the guy and then the rusher slanted inside,

739
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: and then he kicked out and blocked the blitzer coming

740
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: off the edge, and he left the inside rusher to

741
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: treveon Henderson. But if you watched it, it looked like

742
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: Will Campbell whiffed. But I actually think he realized like

743
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: mid punch that that was not his guy, and so

744
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: he went and got the other guy. But it looked

745
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: in in you know, looked in the live viewing of it,

746
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: that he whiffed on the block, But I don't think

747
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: he actually did. And I actually, I actually been really

748
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: encouraged about how well he picks up blitzes coming off

749
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 2: of his edge. He's like, really good at that at

750
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: seeing a post snap when a guy is coming off

751
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 2: the edge and blitzing like a like a slot blitzer,

752
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: a safety blitz is coming off the edge and sort

753
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 2: of passing his guy off to the interior and going

754
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 2: out and getting the blitzer. He's really good at that.

755
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 2: I thought that he had a really nice block. I

756
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 2: believe it was on Wise actually in the run game

757
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: that sprung Travon Henderson for a nice gain. And I

758
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 2: think they're going to consistently be able to stretch out

759
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: that left side, whether it's on like a toss or

760
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: outside zone or whatever the case may be, because they're

761
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 2: gonna have two great athletes over there with him and Wilson.

762
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: So if they're going to run the ball left, I

763
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: expect it to be to the perimeter left. Now, hopefully

764
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: that doesn't become too predictable, but that would be my guess.

765
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 1: So I want to ask you something about Campbell because

766
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: this is something that and you see this stuff better

767
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: than me, but I feel like a big piece of

768
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: growth for him through these first few weeks. Look, every tackle,

769
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: every offensive line is going to get beat at some point.

770
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: Even the greats will get beat. But what makes something

771
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: that can make the greats the greats is if you

772
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: get beat initially, can you recover and mitigate it and

773
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: maybe get beat, but it wasn't a blowby, and you

774
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 1: buy your quarterback or an extra second, or even you recover

775
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: entirely that you win the rep where you should have

776
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: gotten beat. I feel like with Will Campbell he was

777
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: just when he was getting beat early in camp he

778
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: was getting beat. That was it. It was clean, and

779
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: he's getting beat less now. But I think the more

780
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: encouraging thing for me is even when he does get beat,

781
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: it feels like it's he's able to mitigate it now,

782
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: whether that's just again buying that extra time or he

783
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: had a rep yesterday. I don't remeber who was against,

784
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: but he had a rep yesterday where it looked like

785
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: he was beat. The guy got in his chest, started

786
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: pushing them back. He just kind of sank his weight

787
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: and basically gave the other guy like you want to

788
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: go through me, fine, go through me, Like let's go.

789
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: And he was just too strong for the guy to

790
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: move him. So that's been the most encouraging thing for

791
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: me for Campbell is I don't want to say, like,

792
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: I know this sounds kind of dumb. Ohmencouraged because he's

793
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: getting beat not his bed, but blah. But it's not that.

794
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: It's that when he loses initially, right when the first

795
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 1: step goes to the defender, the rep's not over because

796
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: he's doing a better job, especially on that outside in

797
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: Wise tried to get him on the outside in yesterday,

798
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: I think got half a step on him, and Campbell

799
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: kind of registered it, reset himself, and he I think

800
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: he came back and he ultimately won the rep. Even

801
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: though Wise had the first half step on him. He

802
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: wasn't doing that at the beginning of camp, and when

803
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: he was getting beat, he was just getting beat. And

804
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: I feel like his recovery ability has gotten a lot

805
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: better very quickly.

806
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: So you hit the nail on the head. Stn't sell yourself.

807
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: Sure you saw it right. The biggest thing that I

808
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 2: see with Will Campbell when I watch him in pass

809
00:37:55,400 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: pro is he because of his length, and I don't

810
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: want to make it.

811
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: You don't want to go there. It becomes a whole thing.

812
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: But it's really what it is. He is an aggressive setter.

813
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: So some guys and I say this all I feel

814
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: like a broken record, and I apologize, but it's just

815
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: this is what it really is, the bottom line of this.

816
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: Some guys like Trent Brown is always the poster child

817
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: for me of this, are so freaking big that they

818
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: can just sit back in their chair and catch guys.

819
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 2: They're just gonna sit back, They're gonna clipse the quarterback

820
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: and they're gonna let him come to me because they

821
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 2: can't go through me. I'm too big, they can't go

822
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: through me. So I'm just gonna keep him at my

823
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: fingertips and I'm gonna let him come to me, and

824
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit back in my chair and I'm gonna

825
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna catch him like a baseball catcher would like

826
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 2: I'm literally gonna catch him right. But with Will Campbell,

827
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 2: because of his length, if he does if he tries

828
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: to sit back and be patient and let them come

829
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,479
Speaker 2: to him, they're going to consistently establish first contact because

830
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: their arms are longer than his arms.

831
00:38:59,400 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 3: Right.

832
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: In order to combat that, what Will Campbell does at

833
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: times is he aggressively goes out and he tries to

834
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 2: be the be the aggressor in the rep. The issue

835
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: with being the aggressor in the rep as a tackle

836
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: is that when you whiff on the punch, you get

837
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 2: those ugly misses, you get the blowbys because you're overaggressive

838
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: and you're getting your weight is getting distributed, you know,

839
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: off balance, and then you're punching and then if you

840
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: don't land your punch, then he's going to blow right

841
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: by you. And I have so he has to figure

842
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 2: this out in terms of and it's on him, and

843
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: I know that the coaches are helping him with it too,

844
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 2: to strike that balance of playing within his limitation but

845
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: also understanding that you can still be a little bit

846
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: more patient than what he has been at times to

847
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: avoid those blowbys. Jared Wilson, on the other hand, I

848
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 2: think is fantastic at recovery when he missus his initial punch.

849
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: I think that's still something that Campbell is maybe trying

850
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 2: to work on a little bit, is how do I

851
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: recover and keep my base and keep my.

852
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: Better at it.

853
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: I think he just gotten better at it, and I

854
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 2: think that that I don't think that anything has truly

855
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: changed other than him finding out what works, like finding

856
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: that balance and striking that cord of how exactly am

857
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: I going to play at this level with what well,

858
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: you can call him thirty three inch arms with thirty

859
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: three inch but this whole can of worms.

860
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: They are the opening the worms is like suggesting you're

861
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: lying they are thirty three inch arms. Say it with

862
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: your chest because it is a fact. The NFL got

863
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: the combine measurement wrong.

864
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: Here we go again. How do I play with that

865
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 2: within that framework? And I think he has gotten better

866
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 2: at it, and I'm encouraged by what I've seen in

867
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 2: that respect. But I think that's his biggest issue is

868
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: when he is because of the way that he plays

869
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: the position, the loss has become ugly because of the

870
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: fact that he's setting so aggressively a lot of the time.

871
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 2: It's like a vertical set too, which is like inherently

872
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: a hit or miss thing. And like the best vertical

873
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 2: setters of all time are like Joe Thomas and like

874
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 2: the great Tackles right like they they were able to

875
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 2: master the art of the vertical set and be able

876
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 2: to do that consistently. And Joe Thomas didn't have quite

877
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: as short arms as Will Campbell, but he was also

878
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: on the shorter side of the spectrum in terms of

879
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 2: arm length as well, so vertical setting was really important

880
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: for him to master. So that's a technical aspect of

881
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: it all. I thought you you to explained it great.

882
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: I think that Will Campbell's getting better at it. I've

883
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: seen him sort of also like anticipate those inside moves

884
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: a little bit more because he knows that other opponents

885
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: are going to try to attack that weakness, and so

886
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,479
Speaker 2: he's he's doing a little bit of a better job

887
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 2: of sliding his feet and recovering to that inside move.

888
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 2: I keep saying the same thing about Campbell. If I

889
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 2: was him, I would just continue to trust your feet

890
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: like you have. He has really smooth, great agility. He's

891
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: a really good athlete. He's got great foot speed. Like,

892
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: just continue to trust that you can move your feet

893
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: instead of punching and reaching and over extending, just keep

894
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 2: your base and just slide, you know, like a basketball

895
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: player defending Jason Tatum out on the perimeter, right, just

896
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 2: slide your feet and stay in front of him that way.

897
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: I think he's he's growing, like he's getting better at that,

898
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: because this was the same thing at LSU. Like at LSU,

899
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: you know, there was some ugly misses, Like there was

900
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: some ugly whiffs in pass protection on his tape in

901
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: college that a lot of people that were Will Campbell

902
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: naysayers or detractors, you know, would cherry pick just likely

903
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: would cherry pick the good reps right, and he they

904
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: would cherry pick these reps. So it's a it's a

905
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 2: work in progress, but I think he's getting a little

906
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: bit better at it. And I thought, again, well, I

907
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: think it's interesting about him, and then I want to

908
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: move on to Wilson. He is so much better in

909
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 2: team than he is in one on ones. Campbell, Yeah, like,

910
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: Campbell's so much better in team.

911
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: Say this is me just kind of I don't know, uh,

912
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: making excuses for Campbell or people Will Campbell fanboy or whatever.

913
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm kind of disillusioned with offensive defensive line one on

914
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: ones in this camp because so many times tackles or

915
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: not just tackles. Everybody has been beaten with inside moves

916
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: where it's like, all right, if you go that far inside,

917
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: like yeah, you were able to get around him. If

918
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: you go that far inside in the game, the guard's

919
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: gonna be there, and you're just gonna run into the guard.

920
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I feel like there's been too

921
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: many of those in this camp for me, and maybe

922
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: that was always the case. I'm watching a closer now

923
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: because of Campbell. This is not just a Will Campbell take.

924
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: I mean I've always felt this way about like the

925
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: wide receiver corner, right, it's kind of the same thing.

926
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: We talk about those all the time, where it's like.

927
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: The offensive line. D line ones are definitely more translatable

928
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 2: to game.

929
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 1: They're more translatable, but again, like if you go all

930
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: the way around inside, yeah, you're gonna run into the guard,

931
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: Like that space isn't there. Now if they actually, like

932
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: so when they do the three on threes, because they

933
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: do in the same setting, but they do three on

934
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: three instead of one on one, that one I like

935
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: that one. I can buy a little more. Or if

936
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: they did the one on one and the like the

937
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: guard actually stood there like where he'd stand instead of

938
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: sort of getting out of the way, Like I don't know,

939
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the one on ones where it's like,

940
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, the wide receiver toasted the corner, but

941
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: the corner was sitting underneath he went over the top

942
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: in the game, there's a safety there, and that that's

943
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: not actually like applicable. I just feel like there's been

944
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: some of those moments.

945
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think the best thing about one on ones

946
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 2: is just working on technique and working on Oh I'm sure,

947
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: but my point is is, like we chart wins and

948
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: losses with one on ones, where I think more like

949
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: when you practice them as a player, it's more important

950
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: of like there's like this thing that I need to

951
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 2: work on, and so I'm going to work on it. Now.

952
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: When I say I'm disillusioned, I mean as an evaluation tour,

953
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: not on the whole exercise itself value. I was just explaining, Yeah,

954
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: I just like, again i'd weigh eleven on a lie.

955
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: I always wait eleven on eleven more. But I'm like

956
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: even the seven on sevens in this camp have just

957
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: been like, I get why they do them, and they're

958
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: important to do, and I understand that my evaluation is

959
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: based almost exclusively in eleven's I'm really not looking at

960
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: much else of what goes on the one thing. I'll

961
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,879
Speaker 1: look at one on one just like just play power, right,

962
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: can you just physically right? Anchor?

963
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 2: So with Jared Wilson, I want to talk about him

964
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: a little bit. I just continue to just be wowed

965
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 2: by Jared Wilson, like he's just as ken Kitten Wallace,

966
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: but he's just really freaking good and you see that and.

967
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: Outl look, that's not exactly what Kadon Wallace say.

968
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: I know, but I have to be a little bit

969
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: more PG than that. I got him to it a

970
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: little bit with Paul about this the other day on

971
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: PU because I was already ready to annoy Jared Wilson

972
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: as an NFL starter and just be like done with it, right,

973
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,959
Speaker 2: and he's, you know, let's wait and see, let's see

974
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 2: what the whole season looks like, and all that kind

975
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: of stuff. And I suppose that is fair. But when

976
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 2: you're you know, going up against Doron Pain, you know,

977
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 2: in a joint practice, and Doron Pain tries to like

978
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: speed the power bowl and just like go right into

979
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: your chest and Jared Wilson just stops some stone cold

980
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: and like doesn't move an inch. Like it's hard to

981
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: not be like this is this is guy can play right,

982
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 2: Like this guy is pretty right freaking good. As Caden

983
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,479
Speaker 2: Wallace said, you talked a lot about, or we talked

984
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 2: a lot about and you brought it up with Campbell.

985
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: The recovery talent that that, to me is Jared Wilson's

986
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 2: best trade. His ability to keep his feet and keep

987
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 2: his base, uh and then refit the hands like after

988
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 2: if his initial punch gets swatted, because a lot of

989
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: uh what I see a lot with pass rushers in

990
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: the one on ones especially, they try to swat his

991
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: hands out of the way, like two hands wipe and

992
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: like they'll swat his hands and he just has his

993
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: ability to just like, be patient, keep his bass about him,

994
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: move his feet to recover, and then refit the hands

995
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: on back underneath the shoulder blades or you know, the

996
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: the chest pad, and like he just does that and

997
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,479
Speaker 2: just gets his hands underneath the guy and wins the rep.

998
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: And it's it's incredible to watch a rookie. It's not

999
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: so much like like the movement, Like the movement's obviously incredible,

1000
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 2: but it's the it's the hand fighting to me, like

1001
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 2: the chess match of it. He thinks it like he can.

1002
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 2: He's already processing the game at a really high level

1003
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: that is beyond what most rookies, especially with his little experience,

1004
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: do at this level. And I wonder when I was

1005
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 2: talking to his coaches in Duke Mannyweather when I wrote

1006
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: the feature about him after the draft, Duke pointed out

1007
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: a really good thing that I don't know if we

1008
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: put enough stock into think about the the defensive tackles

1009
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: in Georgia practice that Jared Wilson had faced on this

1010
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 2: scout team. So he was on the scout team the

1011
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 2: first two years that he was at Georgia, and he

1012
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: was facing the starting defense for Georgia in practice every

1013
00:47:58,920 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 2: single day.

1014
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: I think, don't people bring this up with Patrick's or

1015
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: tannat Alabama, probably with like the receivers that he faced.

1016
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: So he's going up against Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis

1017
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: and like all these stud Georgia defensive tackles that we've

1018
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: seen come out of the draft the last couple of years.

1019
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: So he really, even though he wasn't game experienced at Georgia,

1020
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: he was kind of like battle tested in a lot

1021
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 2: of ways from those practices. And I see that, like

1022
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 2: I see him being wise beyond his years and those respects.

1023
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: So I, Paul, I don't know how it's gonna look

1024
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 2: for seventeen games, right, we might be getting ahead of

1025
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: ourselves a little bit of putting Jared Wilson into the

1026
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: Patriots Hall fam Like I heard that they chiseled a

1027
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: statue that's going to go right next to Brady's statue

1028
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: that they're going to unveil tomorrow night of Campbell and

1029
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: Jared Wilson. But Jared Wilson, I just have been blown

1030
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: away by how cerebral and like advanced he is as

1031
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: a blocker for this point in his career, and how

1032
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: young he is. He's like twenty two years old and

1033
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 2: he's already got all these nuances to the position down.

1034
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: So I'm really impressed with Wilson. Continued to be thought

1035
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 2: he was good yesterday. The one guy that I thought

1036
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: had a little bit of a rough practice was Garrett

1037
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 2: Bradberry at center.

1038
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: And he was rotating too.

1039
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 2: This is becoming a little bit of a competition, I

1040
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 2: would say, between him and Ben Brown. And I'm really

1041
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: curious to see. We won't really probably won't really get

1042
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 2: a feel for this tomorrow night in the preseason game,

1043
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: but once we get into the joint practices next week

1044
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: in Minnesota or I'll be with Deuce next week, that

1045
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 2: is going to be really interesting to see if they

1046
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 2: start cutting into Garrett Bradberry's starter reps at center with

1047
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: Ben Brown and at what point I know you don't

1048
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: want to keep and I'm with you on the whole

1049
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: shuffling with the rookies and stuff like that. I think

1050
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: at this point, Jared Wilson's probably locked into left guard

1051
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: and that's where they're gonna play him. But is there

1052
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 2: any well, do you think about it right moving him

1053
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: over one spot if it really goes south with Bradbury.

1054
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: Do you think they locked Jared Wilson at center at

1055
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: left guard so early because they believe that's his best position,

1056
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: because they didn't trust him at center because remember he

1057
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: had a couple of bad snaps there.

1058
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 2: I think it's a combination of the I think they

1059
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 2: like the experience that Bradbury brings to center that Wilson

1060
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: obviously wouldn't. Yeah, I think it helps a young quarterback

1061
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: to have an experience center, and I think that's the thought.

1062
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: But if Bradbury can't hold up, he can't hold on.

1063
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: So I'm still where I'm at, where I've been at

1064
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: with one in dentdum. If you believe Jared Wilson's your

1065
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: long term center, I don't see a ton of value

1066
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 1: in playing him at left guard this year. Like if

1067
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: you believe he's a long term center and like him

1068
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: and Bradbury are essentially a wash, or he's better than Bradbury, right,

1069
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: I don't see a ton of value in playing him

1070
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: at left guard this year just to get Bradbury in

1071
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: there for the veteran Like, like, Wilson's a smart guy,

1072
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: he'll learn, he'll pick it up. I don't necessarily worry

1073
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: about that. Also, you can probably get a veteran in

1074
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: at left guard who can help him. The one addendum

1075
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: is if he can't snap the ball, he can't snap

1076
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 1: the ball. If you can't get it back to the quarterback,

1077
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: you can't play center. I don't care who you are, right, So,

1078
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: if they're worried about his snaps, leave mcguard and maybe

1079
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: maybe leave mcgard long term at that point, because he

1080
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: hasn't been working on his snaps now that he's been

1081
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: at the guard so much so he hasn't even really

1082
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: a chance to work on that, which gets to the

1083
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: development thing.

1084
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 2: But think the advantage of playing him as a rookie

1085
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,479
Speaker 2: at guard with the still with the long term plan

1086
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: of him. Yeah, playing center is just getting the game experience.

1087
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 1: Yes, he's still gonna have to learn center.

1088
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're but you're still getting in game experience

1089
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: and you're still blocking.

1090
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: You do that at center too.

1091
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 2: Right, But at center you have you brought up snapping.

1092
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: But then there's also the mental.

1093
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: Ass right, So he's gonna have to learn that eventually.

1094
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 2: Yep.

1095
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: I'd rather learn it sooner and just get accustomed to it.

1096
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: That's fair. I just think that as a rookie.

1097
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: But if he can't snap the ball. He can't snap

1098
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: the ball.

1099
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: I just wonder if the thought process is for his

1100
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: rookie year at left guard, he's going to have a

1101
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: gap or a guy in front of him. You just

1102
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: block that dude, And it's just it's a one one line.

1103
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: I'm thinking right like, you're not thinking about, Oh who's

1104
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: the mic? Oh who is this blitz coming from? Are

1105
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: we in the right protection? Are we in the right

1106
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: run fit? Are we like we're not thinking about it.

1107
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: We're not thinking about snapping. We're literally just taking our

1108
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: gap or we're taking our man.

1109
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: And what are you doing? Like, I don't know. We

1110
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: don't need to get ahead of the off season. But

1111
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: just like I think, if you think he's a center,

1112
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: playmate center. If you think he's a guard, playment guard.

1113
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: If he can't snap the ball, he's probably a guard.

1114
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: If you think he can't snap the ball and it

1115
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 1: was just rough, you gotta gi him opportunities to work

1116
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: on it and get better. That's where I'm out with it.

1117
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: So with Bradbury, I said this, like, I don't I

1118
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: think Ben Brown's a fine player if he's your fifth

1119
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: best offensive lineman, and we could argue whether he would

1120
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: or wouldn't be in this alignment. If Ben Brown's your

1121
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: fifth best offensive lineman, you're okay, You're okay. You're not great,

1122
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 1: but you're okay, You're fine. He'll he'll do enough for you.

1123
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: I think I think Garrett Bradbury can be that guy too.

1124
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: I think he was that guy took He's taking a

1125
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,280
Speaker 1: step back the last two years if he keeps back tracking.

1126
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: And Ben Brown's a young guy. Last year was his

1127
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: first year of experience, so he comes in now the

1128
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: whole of the year of his belt. I've been telling

1129
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: you guys not to sleep on Ben Brown. Like I

1130
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: would be okay if Ben Brown's a week one starting center.

1131
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: I'd rather be Jared Wilson, but I'd be okay if

1132
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: it's Ben Brown.

1133
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 2: I like Ben Brown's size. I think that's the big

1134
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 2: thing that stands out to him is that he's a

1135
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 2: bigger center compared to brad Berry. So he just takes

1136
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 2: up more space and he's harder to move and all

1137
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: that good stuff. And that alone at a position like

1138
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: center can be helpful just because it's really that's what

1139
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 2: it is, right, Like it's just don't get pressed back

1140
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: into the pocket, right And so if he can do that,

1141
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 2: then that's helpful now. But Bradberry specifically, I just saw

1142
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 2: him and Eddie Goldman. I tried, I had to look

1143
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 2: it up. I forgot who the freaking commander's nose tackles.

1144
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: But Eddie Goldman's like a veteran nose tackle. He's a solid,

1145
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: rotational run stuffer, exactly what you think of in your

1146
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 2: prototypical NFL NOS tackle. And I just thought in one

1147
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: on ones and then a little bit in team you

1148
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: just see brad Berry on skates like you see him

1149
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 2: trying to your point earlier, like trying to put his

1150
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: feet in the ground and anchor. And it's not that

1151
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 2: he's losing these reps in a hurry. It's that after

1152
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: like the second or third step, he starts to get

1153
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 2: pushed back and starts to strain and isn't able to

1154
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: put his feet in the ground and drop anchor. That's

1155
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 2: the concern with him now. On the one hand, like

1156
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 2: it's I don't see him getting like blown by in

1157
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: pass protection, you don't really get blown by the center,

1158
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: but he's getting overpowered, which is center like if you

1159
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: can't if he can't take the nose tackle and put

1160
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: his feet in the ground and dig in and anchor

1161
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: against NFL caliber nose tackles. Then it's hard to survive

1162
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 2: that center with That.

1163
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: Goes back to my point about the one on ones,

1164
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: like you can't really run around a center. Yeah, that's

1165
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: not something if that other people screwed up, right, right,

1166
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: So I will say one more thing on Ben Brown though. Yep,

1167
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: and we haven't even mentioned cole Strange at this point.

1168
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,399
Speaker 1: Them playing Ben Brown at guard is not good news

1169
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: for Cole Strange because what this is gonna come down to,

1170
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: Evan if we can do a little mini roster projection

1171
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: sort of thing here. Yeah, there's kind of been a

1172
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: clear line of demarcation between the linemen. They're gonna keep

1173
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: in the linemen they aren't gonna keep right, So you're

1174
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: starting five. Everybody's healthy. Campbell, Moses Wilson own Wen now

1175
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: and will say Bradbury for now, right, So that's your

1176
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: starting five. They're gonna keep Marcus Bryant the way they've

1177
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 1: been using him, encouraged by Marcus Bryant. Uh, They're gonna

1178
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 1: keep Marx Brant the way they've us him. They're gona

1179
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: keep Kaden Wallace the way they've been using him. It's

1180
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: either gonna be Demontrey Jacobs or maybe they go out

1181
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: and they get a true left tackle during waivers because

1182
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: they don't have a real backup left tackle right now.

1183
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: Maybe it's Marcus Bryant. Maybe it's not tvd Well he's

1184
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: has he even repped with the second unit.

1185
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 2: Yeah no, but I'm just saying left tackle like I am.

1186
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 2: I'm with everybody that he can.

1187
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: Out of sight, out of mind, can't make a club

1188
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: from the top or Derek Fine. So they're gonna keep

1189
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: the left tackle TBD, Demantre Jacobs, Vederian Lowe a waiver

1190
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: signing something.

1191
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: I think you need. You only need one of those

1192
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 2: two guys. I don't think you need both because I

1193
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: think a point Marcus Brant enough that he's he makes it.

1194
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:04,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so maybe this change is my take, But Campbell,

1195
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: Moses Wilson, and WHENU Bradbury, Bryant, Caden Wallace. Yeah, I

1196
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: still think they're keeping another tackle. That's eight, So now

1197
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: you're at nine. It's Ben. It's basically Ben Brown and

1198
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: Cole Strange for the last spot in my mind, and

1199
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 1: I the advantage Cole Strange had in that matchup is

1200
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: Ben Brown was exclusively a center and Cole Strange maybe

1201
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: it wasn't a great center, but he played it and

1202
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: he could play garden center. Well, now if Ben Brown

1203
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 1: can also play garden center and they're both left guard

1204
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 1: center highbrids, now it's just a sprint to the finish.

1205
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: Who's a better player? Am I you? Ben Brown? Am

1206
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: I wrong?

1207
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 2: No? But that's just such a tough I.

1208
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: Want to pick on him. But like when I say,

1209
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: who's a better player, who's been better in this camp

1210
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: so far?

1211
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1212
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: Be close.

1213
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: I thought Cold Strange had a rough day yesterday.

1214
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: It's close, and I don't think that that. You know,

1215
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: I'm not slamming that shut. Maybe Cole Strange comes out

1216
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: and it is awesome tomorrow and we're we're reopening the conversation.

1217
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: But the advantage Cole straight Strange had was positional versatility. Right,

1218
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 1: Maybe Brown, Maybe Ben Brown can't play guard, maybe sucks

1219
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: at it, and then that changes it.

1220
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 2: But like he's got the body type.

1221
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: If he comes out here tomorrow, Ben Brown plays a

1222
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: really good left guard. I mean, are you keeping Cole

1223
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: Strange as a ninth lineman?

1224
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: No?

1225
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: Right, So that's kind of an And this is for

1226
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: like this show. Take right, Ben Brown getting reps pack

1227
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: up left guard is actually kind of a big deal

1228
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: when it comes to the roster because it puts Cole

1229
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: Strange on the bubble where otherwise he might not have

1230
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: been there.

1231
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I'm totally with you on that.

1232
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 1: I guess the caveat would be the same thing I

1233
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: said for Jared Wilson. If Ben Brown outright wins the

1234
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: center job and Garrett Bradbury doesn't want to be here

1235
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: as a backup, well now Cole Strange is your backup center.

1236
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 1: So Garrett Bradbury is.

1237
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know what you meant. I'm with you

1238
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 2: one hundred percent with that. That is exactly how I

1239
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: took the Ben Brown at left guard thing I practice

1240
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: the other day was they're trying to see if he

1241
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: can play guard too, because if you're going to make

1242
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 2: the team as a backup, and especially if you're going

1243
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 2: to be active on game day as a top interior backup,

1244
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: you have to be able to play all three positions. Yeah,

1245
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 2: because normally you're not going to have two backup interior

1246
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 2: offensive lineman active on game day. Normally they just go

1247
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 2: with one. So if they're going to do that, then

1248
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: you have to be able to play all three spots.

1249
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,919
Speaker 2: So they're trying to see if Ben Brown can play

1250
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: guard so that if he's the top backup on game day,

1251
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: they know that he can play all three and even if.

1252
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: They have too, Like I think they're going to have

1253
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 1: this weird setup where Cayden Wallace is going to be

1254
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: like a backup right guard, right tackle.

1255
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: I actually think that that's a great idea for Caden Wallace,

1256
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 2: and I know that we all sort of thought because

1257
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: of where he was drafted, you hope that he could

1258
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 2: become a starter. But if you drafted like a two

1259
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 2: position backup that's or a top backup at two different positions,

1260
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: and he ends up being like a guard tackle flex

1261
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 2: who's really a right side player primarily, it's not ideal

1262
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 2: for a top one hundred pick, but it's not the

1263
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 2: worst case scenario. At least at least you got like

1264
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: a good like sixth or seventh offensive lineman out of

1265
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 2: the pick. I could live with it. I could live

1266
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: with it. It wasn't like he was drafted fourth overall like

1267
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 2: Will Campbell, right like, you can live with that being

1268
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 2: Kayden Wallace's career path. I want to talk about Marcus

1269
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: Bryan because I'm I'm getting more and more encouraged about

1270
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 2: Marcus Brian. I'm gonna give this take to so I'm

1271
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 2: gonna give this take today and then tomorrow he's gonna

1272
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 2: play a ton in the preseason game. We'll see how

1273
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 2: it goes. How about that, because we'll see like this,

1274
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: he's gonna play a ton tomorrow. We know that all

1275
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: these rookies are probably gonna play a little bit. Uh,

1276
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 2: and especially the back of the draft rookies like Marcus

1277
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: Bryan is drafted in the seventh round. I expect to

1278
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 2: see a lot of him, and I'm excited to see

1279
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: what it looks like on tape because I feel like

1280
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 2: his past protection has been pretty decent when he's out

1281
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 2: there at right tackle. The thing that I like so

1282
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: much about Marcus Bryan is his flexibility. We're just talking

1283
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: about this with the guards. He played left tackle in

1284
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: college opposite arm On Membu at Missouri, and now they're

1285
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 2: training him to play right tackle. So we know he.

1286
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: Started at right tackle for a year and a half

1287
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: in college at SMU before transferred.

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01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 2: So we know he can play ball. He might be

1289
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: a true swing tackle and if he's a true swing tackle.

1290
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 2: That's a home run pick.

1291
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: That's tremendous value.

1292
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you drafted a swing tackle if you drafted

1293
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 2: the next likely Adrian Waddle? You know I loved in

1294
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: the seventh round. Uh great pick. Yeah, great pick. And

1295
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that that's what they got out of Marcus Briant.

1296
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 2: But you thought he had a little bit of a

1297
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 2: rough day yesterday.

1298
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I thought he got blown by a couple

1299
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 1: of times. That I mean, I thought he got blown

1300
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: by a couple times. Demontre Jacobs didn't have a good

1301
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: day either. I just thought the backup tackles as a

1302
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: whole just and I'm worried about their tackle depth overall.

1303
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I'm worried about it too, And that's

1304
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 2: why I'm sort of hoping that this thing with Marcus

1305
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 2: Bryant six because he's he looks to me, just based

1306
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 2: off the practices, I think he's already uh cleared Demontree Jacobs, Yes,

1307
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 2: which I understand that's not the bar, but for a backup.

1308
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: That is kind of Yes, he's the top backup. Yeah,

1309
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: he drafted him to be your backup tackle. He's cleared

1310
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: the Yeah, he's a rookie, and there's inherent unknowns that

1311
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: come with that and after him, especially on the left side,

1312
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: because when they drafted him, we all thought he was

1313
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,919
Speaker 1: the right tackle. Yep, right, we all thought, all right,

1314
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: maybe he's a long term project behind Morgan Moses, maybe

1315
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: he becomes that backup swing tackle. But like he profiles

1316
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,360
Speaker 1: like a right tackle in the Patriots system. So you

1317
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: look at that and it's like, okay, who's so who

1318
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: who like Evan today? Who's their backup left tackle?

1319
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 2: I still think it's probably ve Darien Lowe And okay, he's.

1320
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: The guy who's done three practices all with the third team. Yeah,

1321
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: who wasn't good last year?

1322
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 2: He was not good last year.

1323
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: Right, So they don't have a backup left tackle. They don't.

1324
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: This is but this comes that's Bryant. That's great. After that,

1325
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: that pipeline drives it like sure, but they can still play.

1326
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 2: But I think the one thing I would just say

1327
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 2: that to kind of play Devil's advocate to that, how

1328
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: many teams have four good tackles?

1329
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: All right, that's fair.

1330
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 2: How many teams have two good tackles?

1331
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: Very few? But I just when you have a thirty

1332
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: four year old on one side and a rookie on

1333
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: the other.

1334
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 2: It's a fair concern. But I would say that that

1335
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 2: is my concern with the entire team.

1336
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: If Marcus Bryant, yeah, I have depth concern. He's about

1337
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: a lot of positions.

1338
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: That's fair.

1339
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: If Marcus Bryant can be like Adrian Waddell, I'm with you, like, great,

1340
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: that'd be great, that would be excellent, that would be okay.

1341
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: If you need him to spot start for Morgan Moses

1342
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: in a couple of games, great, You know he can

1343
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: fill in on both sides whenever you need him. He

1344
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: allows you to carry You don't have to carry four tackles,

1345
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: you can just carry three and really like you will

1346
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: still have a backup right tackling Kyan Wallace, even if

1347
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: he's counted as a guard, so you're gonna have three

1348
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: and a half tackles, which would be fine. He just

1349
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: needs to be able to play a little bit on

1350
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: the left side.

1351
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go the whole all right.

1352
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: Well, you know if Arma on Memmick couldn't be moved

1353
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: and he's so good at right, well, why don't they

1354
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: just draft the guy that was on the left side instead?

1355
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 1: Maybe that maybe that there was something to that whole thing.

1356
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 2: He is, uh, he is the exact type of offensive

1357
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 2: lineman that if you're a line coach you want to

1358
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 2: work with. He's six seven, three ten pounds with really

1359
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 2: really high end athleticism. So if you can just teach

1360
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 2: them the position and coach them up on technique and

1361
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: all that good stuff, He's got all of the tools

1362
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 2: in the world and from a physical standpoint to be

1363
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 2: a serviceable NFL tackle, they just got to get him there.

1364
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 2: They's got to coach them up. And hopefully with this

1365
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 2: coaching staff, it's they have the coaching that can do that,

1366
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 2: you know, with Morone and the seventeen offensive line coaches

1367
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 2: that they have now, like, hopefully they can get guys

1368
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 2: to that point. Hopefully we're back in the world where

1369
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 2: you know Lee Adrian Waddell or you know Cam Fleming

1370
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: or whatever like that's back in play, Like they can

1371
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 2: develop those kinds of players again, That's that's the hope.

1372
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 2: And I see that maybe happening before our eyes a

1373
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: little bit with Marcus Priyant.

1374
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: Well that's encouraging.

1375
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 2: So that's the offensive line. I want to talk about

1376
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: receivers and I promise we are going to talk a

1377
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 2: little bit about defense as well, but I want to

1378
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 2: talk about their receivers, and then I want to take

1379
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 2: some calls because I know these people have been waiting

1380
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 2: for a while. Can I start on the receivers, Yes,

1381
01:03:59,560 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 2: you can.

1382
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: You owe me an apology.

1383
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 2: I owe you an apology about.

1384
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: What I gave a take three days in a camp.

1385
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:08,480
Speaker 2: You gave a take.

1386
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: I gave a take that. Hey, by the way, it

1387
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: wasn't a loud take. It wasn't a hint banging the

1388
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: table take.

1389
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: Well, now you're gonna say it with your chest, so

1390
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:17,160
Speaker 2: say it with your chest.

1391
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: I said at the time, Javon Baker was having a

1392
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: good start to camp.

1393
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,360
Speaker 2: You did, and everybody, well, I wasn't on the show

1394
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 2: that laughed at you know.

1395
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: You came up to me after and laughed at me. Yeah,

1396
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: you texted me and you laughed at me. And I

1397
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: still don't know whether or not Chevon Baker's.

1398
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 2: Making everybody's just laughing at it.

1399
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: I still don't know whether not Chevon Baker's making the team.

1400
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: But he's a hell of a lot closer than he

1401
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: was at the start of camp. I'll tell you that.

1402
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 2: So I wanted to go a big picture on the

1403
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 2: receivers for a second, and then go a little picture again.

1404
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 2: So let's zoom out for a second when we can

1405
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 2: get to your Javon Baker take.

1406
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm starting three years doing Taekwon. It

1407
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: never caught on. I just sort of off the cuff.

1408
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: Give one, Jon Baker taken.

1409
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 2: It, and every and everybody roasted you for it.

1410
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 1: I'll give you that they're doing Taekwon against any bo.

1411
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: This is what Taekwon does. This is this is.

1412
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 2: Taekwon's time to shine. This isn't real football. This is

1413
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 2: Taekwon's time to shine. OTAs in training camp is like

1414
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 2: Taekwon Thornton might as well be Randy freaking Moss at

1415
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:14,480
Speaker 2: this time of year.

1416
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: Like this isn't hurt.

1417
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what he does. And then he'll land

1418
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 2: on his collar bone trying to catch a pass and

1419
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 2: he'll get hurt and he'll be out for six weeks.

1420
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 2: This is what Taekwon does. Back to the are the

1421
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,439
Speaker 2: receivers that are currently on the Patriots roster. The question

1422
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 2: that I have with you at wide receiver because I

1423
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 2: I've been on some of some shows over the last

1424
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 2: couple of weeks. I was in your spot yesterday on

1425
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 2: the On the Crossover podcast on my old stomping grounds

1426
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 2: on Seal n S. There's a there's some buzz building

1427
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 2: for this wide receiver room, that this wide receiver room

1428
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 2: might actually be legit, not just competent, but might actually

1429
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 2: be legit. Like I feel like there's people that are

1430
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 2: now starting to come out of the woodwork and say,

1431
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: maybe we should start rating this Patriots wide receiver room

1432
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 2: a little bit with a little bit more of respect,

1433
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:08,800
Speaker 2: Like where are you on that? Because it's better than

1434
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 2: it's been and there's no doubt about that. But I

1435
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: might not be ready to all of a sudden start

1436
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 2: talking about like this is like a top half of

1437
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 2: the league wide receiver room or wherever you want to

1438
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 2: put that. You understand what I'm getting at, because I

1439
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 2: feel like we're sorry to get into that categy.

1440
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I think we're done with the conversation

1441
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,479
Speaker 1: about are they like the worst room in the league

1442
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 1: right or at the bottom five. We got a really

1443
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: good example of just how far they've come. That commander's

1444
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: wide receiver room blows.

1445
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 2: Okay, well, Terry McLarin, Well, then on ter McLaren right now, Well,

1446
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 2: he will be out there.

1447
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 1: Everybody else besides him. They nobody got opened yesterday, zach

1448
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 1: Ertz did none otherwise. Did they have one instance of

1449
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: a receiver getting separation with the first team with the

1450
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: Patriots top two corners out.

1451
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they had a one that they have,

1452
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 2: like a I think he's a UDFA that they're all

1453
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 2: pretty high on. He like he Moss Marcus Jones at

1454
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:02,600
Speaker 2: one point, but.

1455
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: It sounds like us, Oh, the DFA Moss the five

1456
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: eight corner. There's hope. Yeah, we've been in those shoes, right.

1457
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I got clipped for making fun of the

1458
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 2: Commander's receiver room, So I'm gonna be careful.

1459
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: The point the point, the point being like we're not

1460
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: there anymore. Are they the best room in the league? No?

1461
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: Are they the worst room in the league? Definitely not.

1462
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 1: I think it's a representative room. Stefan Diggs, if he

1463
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 1: is truly as healthy as he looks, right, Stefan Diggs

1464
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: raises the level of that, and that's important. But I

1465
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: gotta give here's what it. So, I wanted an apology

1466
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: from you. Here's we're all given apology. Okay, I was

1467
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: down on Kishan Buoti because and you guys have heard

1468
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: me give this spiel before, like the consistency was not there,

1469
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 1: and I just didn't think he was going to get there.

1470
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: I just thought it was going to be flashes and

1471
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 1: that was it, and he was going to be this

1472
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: fringy player. He hasn't had necessarily some of those apex

1473
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: high point flashes, and I guess he has the last

1474
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:55,919
Speaker 1: couple of days, like the beginning of camp, he didn't

1475
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: have these like unbelievable plays, like the jaw dropping plays.

1476
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: He was getting open and he was catching two to

1477
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 1: three passes a day, and he was just constantly involved.

1478
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: And that's what I needed to see from him. I

1479
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: know the high level stuff is there, but that's not

1480
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: going to be every play. Are you still able to

1481
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 1: find ways to contribute between it? And that's what he

1482
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: really didn't. I'll throw out his first year because he

1483
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: essentially got bench for the whole year. That's what he

1484
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: didn't do last year when he wasn't making unbelievable plays,

1485
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't making any plays. He wasn't just making an

1486
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,919
Speaker 1: okay play. And he's made a ton of okay, solid,

1487
01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: move the chains plays in this camp, and if you're

1488
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: gonna be a guy wh's gonna be on the field

1489
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: sixty sixty five at least that percent of the time,

1490
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,320
Speaker 1: which is what it looks like. The roles that's in

1491
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: store for him, you have to be able to do that.

1492
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: You have to be able to move the change as

1493
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: well as is take the top off down the field.

1494
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 1: And he's done that. So Stefan Diggs being healthy, Kayshawn

1495
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: body showing some tremendous consistency. MATC. Collins has kind of

1496
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: popped here in the last couple of days. Like, yep,

1497
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: the floor is so much higher. I don't know if

1498
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: the ceilings that much higher compared to where it's been.

1499
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,799
Speaker 1: The floor is so much higher because because of Digs

1500
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: and booty mainly, and I'll throw mac Hollins in there

1501
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: as well.

1502
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,600
Speaker 2: That's a good that's a that's a good way of

1503
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,720
Speaker 2: putting it. I still don't know if the ceiling is

1504
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 2: astronomically high in terms of the top end talent in

1505
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 2: the room. Like I Diggs is a good player. I'm

1506
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 2: excited about Diggs. I've said a million times. I think

1507
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: he's gonna catch a hundred passes this year.

1508
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: Pops looked awesome.

1509
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I want to get to Pop in a second,

1510
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 2: but I still am not sure without Kyle Williams, who's

1511
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 2: been a little bit quiet. If Kyle Williams had been

1512
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 2: had come in here and started and just was tearing

1513
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 2: up camp and looked like the steal of the draft,

1514
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 2: he looked like Glad McConkey, right, then maybe I would

1515
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 2: sit here and say, Okay, I I feel like the

1516
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,679
Speaker 2: ceiling is a little bit higher what I definitely agree

1517
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 2: with you on and I thought you put it well.

1518
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 2: The floor of this room is much higher than it

1519
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,480
Speaker 2: has been the last couple of years, which is encouraging.

1520
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 2: The one guy that I feel like has really blown

1521
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 2: me away, though, is Pop. Like I've just been extremely

1522
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 2: impressed with how at home he looks in the slot

1523
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 2: and this offense. And we always knew that the slot

1524
01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 2: produced in this offense. And I guess it was maybe

1525
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 2: me not giving him enough credit. But he even talked

1526
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 2: about it. And I asked him about it after practice

1527
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 2: the other day, just what do you attest to the

1528
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 2: mental growth in your game? And he said that he

1529
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,640
Speaker 2: studied like he studied harder and he focused, you know,

1530
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 2: and he studied harder, and it's not I never had

1531
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 2: any reservations about Pop Douglas, the separator Like Pop Douglas,

1532
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,040
Speaker 2: the athletic ability that he brings to the table. I

1533
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 2: think he's very I think he's I think he's a weapon.

1534
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,000
Speaker 2: I think he's athletic. I think he's bursty. I think

1535
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 2: he's quick. I think he can separate. What I just

1536
01:10:40,240 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 2: didn't know about was was he going to be able

1537
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 2: to grasp the nuances to expand beyond what is essentially

1538
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 2: like you know, a pseudo gadget player, right, and he has,

1539
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 2: to his credit, he has you know, you look it up.

1540
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 2: Last year he's at sixty six catches for like just

1541
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 2: over six hundred yards. He was under ten yards per catch.

1542
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 2: I thought that maybe that was what he was capable of,

1543
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 2: And watching him in this training camp, I'm starting to

1544
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 2: think that maybe there's more. There's more there, that he

1545
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 2: has another level that he can reach. Sandri Still is

1546
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 2: a good nickel like he's a good slot corner. And

1547
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas had that man in Hell yesterday like he

1548
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 2: was torching Sandra Still for most of that practice. And

1549
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 2: I know Sanders still gets to pick at the end,

1550
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 2: so he kind of gets the last laugh.

1551
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner made that.

1552
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 2: But Bobby Wagner and Sanders still was dusted at the

1553
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage again by Bob Douglas on that play

1554
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 2: and just got lucky that the ball deflected in the

1555
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:45,800
Speaker 2: air right to him. So I felt like, especially early

1556
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 2: on in this practice, that Bob Douglas was had him

1557
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 2: in the torture chamber like he was in in the

1558
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 2: freaking hurricane. And uh, Douglas has come a long way

1559
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 2: in terms of the nuances like understanding where the space is,

1560
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 2: where the options are in the raw, how do I

1561
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 2: get open against man, how do I settle against zone?

1562
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,759
Speaker 2: How do I make myself available as quickly as possible

1563
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 2: to the quarterback as a target, And you just see

1564
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 2: the quick hitters are just McDaniel's vintage McDaniels, you know,

1565
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 2: like Edelman Welker vintage McDaniels. So I guess after all

1566
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 2: of that glazing, my question is about with Pop, like

1567
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 2: how statistically like, how high truly is this ceiling.

1568
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 1: He's got to stay healthy. That's my big question with Pop.

1569
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: That's been my question with Pop as long as he's here.

1570
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: I've always believed he can be, you know, a real

1571
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: offensive threat. Maybe not in a volume sense. I've said this,

1572
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a high volume player, and they

1573
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: might not need him to be. I think that's digs

1574
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: in this offense. But anytime the ball is in his hands,

1575
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: it can be touchdown from anywhere on the field for

1576
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: multiple I.

1577
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 2: Just wonder, like what, because I'm just to stay healthy.

1578
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 2: He's got to stay healthy, but like, is there is

1579
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 2: there a volume level for him? Like because it realistically

1580
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 2: he was like I said, he's a sixty sixty five

1581
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 2: catch guy.

1582
01:12:56,720 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: As he was, I stand by, like, I don't he

1583
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 1: I think he should be on the field in eleven.

1584
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 1: I think he's a part of your offense in base eleven.

1585
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: When you go into twelve or twenty one, he's probably

1586
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: the guy I'm taking off the field. Yeah, so that

1587
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: limits him a little bit. Yeah, but I still think

1588
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 1: those plays where he's on the field, he can be

1589
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: tremendously impactful. So, you know, things I'll be looking at

1590
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: with him. He's not like total catches is not going

1591
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 1: to be what I'm looking at with him. It's going

1592
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: to be you know, yards, can he get that yards

1593
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 1: yards per catch? I think yards after the catch is

1594
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: big number with him. I think you know what percent

1595
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 1: of his catches go for first downs? That could be

1596
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: a number where I think he could be one of

1597
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: the you know where he could lead the team, be

1598
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: one of the better receivers in the league. Maybe not

1599
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: total first downs percentega catchers for first downs, that kind

1600
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: of thing. Again, I don't think he's your volume guy.

1601
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 1: I don't think you need him to be your volume guy.

1602
01:13:44,120 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 1: Which is fine. I think I've said this for everybody

1603
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 1: wants to because he's small and the lines up in

1604
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 1: the slot. Everybody wants to camp him to Julian Edelman.

1605
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 1: But when right when Julian Edelman was getting one hundred

1606
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:56,879
Speaker 1: and twenty targets and get the cramp beat out of him,

1607
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: Danny Amandola with his speed and he was faster than

1608
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 1: people realize. Is taken off down the field, or maybe

1609
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:04,559
Speaker 1: Chris Hogan's a better camp for this. He's not small,

1610
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 1: but like Chris Hogan's taken off down the field and

1611
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: using his speed to create separation and cashing in on defenses,

1612
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: collapsing down to take away that volume guy. That's what

1613
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 1: I think Pop's role is. He's not Edelman that might

1614
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 1: end up being Digs honestly, the way they draw this

1615
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: thing up, or it could even be mc hollins. He

1616
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,839
Speaker 1: could be like a Jacobe Myers type. I think Douglas

1617
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: is the guy that when they bring that safety closer

1618
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: to the line, or when they go single high to

1619
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: get somebody extra in the box because you're running the

1620
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: ball well establishing the run, or because you just keep

1621
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: hitting step On Diggs on these five yard hitches in

1622
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 1: these seven yard inns and all right, we got to

1623
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: bring somebody down. Well, now that's when you send Pop up,

1624
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:45,960
Speaker 1: or that's when you do some sort of screen or

1625
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,600
Speaker 1: end around and get him out on the perimeter and

1626
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 1: get him isolated one on one on a tackler and

1627
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: he can make something explosive happen. That's the role I

1628
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 1: think he's going to thrive in.

1629
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,799
Speaker 2: So I think that that's a role that I thought

1630
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 2: that he was going to thrive in this camp. He's

1631
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 2: just it has been so good, and I just wonder,

1632
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,719
Speaker 2: is there a I think the better cop would probably

1633
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 2: be like Troy Brown, Dion Branch level to pop Douglas,

1634
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 2: because he's not Edelman or Welker like those guys.

1635
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 1: Branch might be a better one.

1636
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:16,040
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing about but.

1637
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 1: Those guys were like the number one receiver.

1638
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 2: But I think the biggest thing about Edelman and Pop

1639
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 2: and what's different between the two of them is Edelman

1640
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 2: was built like a running back like Edelman was.

1641
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 1: Like dense, dense and popas more straight lines, right.

1642
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 2: But Edelman was just a dense dude that could take

1643
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,800
Speaker 2: those hits over the middle of the field. Welker the

1644
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 2: same way, but Edelman more so. Edelman was like an

1645
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 2: MMA fighter like that guy was. He was chiseled so

1646
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,960
Speaker 2: like he had that ability. I don't know if Pop

1647
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 2: has that ability, but can they kind of like hey,

1648
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 2: like does his separation lend itself to so much space

1649
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 2: that like he can just kind of get into YAC

1650
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 2: mode and and get away from the traffic or b

1651
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 2: does he learn that like Dion Branch sixth sense, like

1652
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 2: when to duck down, when to know the journey is over,

1653
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:07,679
Speaker 2: to like avoid the b almost.

1654
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: I don't want him to do I when I say

1655
01:16:09,840 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: I don't want him to do I want him to

1656
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: take care of himself. I want him stay healthy, but

1657
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 1: like he's so good after the catch, I don't want

1658
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: him to lose that. Now, there's a fine line. He

1659
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: probably he kept fumbling his rookie year because he was

1660
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: trying to extend plays too much. But like, I don't

1661
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: want I don't want him becoming Tyler Lockett. And I

1662
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: know that's an extreme example, but his best. I think

1663
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: he's best when the balls in his hands. That's what's

1664
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,000
Speaker 1: crazy about him having this good camp. You really don't

1665
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: do yack in camp. He's more of a threat to

1666
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 1: me after the catch than before it. So I don't

1667
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: want him being a guy that has to worry about

1668
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 1: protecting himself and giving up opportunities after the catch. That's

1669
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: where I want him thriving. That's where I want him

1670
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:44,040
Speaker 1: really crea.

1671
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 2: I guess I don't disagree that that's the strength of

1672
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 2: his game. I think his separation ability is the best

1673
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 2: part of his game.

1674
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:51,719
Speaker 1: Oh see, I think it's after the cat. I still

1675
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 1: go back like that game he had in Dallas. Do

1676
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 1: you remember that? And I think Mac Jones through like

1677
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:58,719
Speaker 1: three picks an act game, So you throw that one aside,

1678
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: But like remember that one up the side on where

1679
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: he hits the half juke backspin, like like he looks

1680
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: like he looks like Tyreek Kill on that plane. I'm

1681
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: not saying he's tyray Kill, but he looks like Tyrek

1682
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 1: Kill on.

1683
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 2: I've heard him compared to Dollar Store Tyree like.

1684
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 1: I want him doing Day Three's a right fower. Yeah,

1685
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: I want him doing that sort of stuff. That's what

1686
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 1: I want him doing. That's where I think he's at

1687
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 1: his best.

1688
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,920
Speaker 2: I think is his separation is his best? Like they're

1689
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 2: both good traits, yes, but I just wonder, I wonder

1690
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 2: what the volume where we can get to.

1691
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: We should ask volume. This would be fun. We should

1692
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: do like catch twenty two.

1693
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 2: See we can grab him real quick after practice and

1694
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 2: what's your best?

1695
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:36,720
Speaker 1: We both will know, Pop. We both think you're very good.

1696
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:38,920
Speaker 1: But we had a little argument. Do you think you're

1697
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:40,719
Speaker 1: at your best before the catch or after the catch?

1698
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 2: That's a good question.

1699
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: I'm curious what he thinks.

1700
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:46,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, Matt. If they're gonna

1701
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 2: if they'll give catch twenty two a guest, I think

1702
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 2: that that that's practice.

1703
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: We can go to him. He doesn't have to come

1704
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 1: in here.

1705
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 2: Guess all right, Well, maybe we'll do that. Because we

1706
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 2: both like Pop. We've all have Pop since the beginning. Well,

1707
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 2: I don't want to give us credit for discovery ring

1708
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,519
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas, but I don't want to not give us

1709
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,480
Speaker 2: credit for discovering Pop Douglas because we might have discovered

1710
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 2: media sense. We were some of the first people talking

1711
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 2: about I'm going to pat ourselves on the back for

1712
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:13,120
Speaker 2: a second with this and then then I want to

1713
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 2: move on. Yeah, So Alex and I covered the Shrine

1714
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 2: Bowl that Pop Douglas was in. That was twenty twenty two,

1715
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:22,599
Speaker 2: twenty three, twenty three because Bill O'Brien was hired, so

1716
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and we use the site, a very

1717
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 2: good site, mock Draft Database. They did a really good

1718
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 2: job of compiling like all the experts opinions on the

1719
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 2: draft and where everybody is and Pop Dougl we were two.

1720
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 2: There was other reporters there. I'm not going to give

1721
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 2: us the loan credit, but we were the ones that

1722
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 2: were really covering those practices, like on a with a

1723
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:45,959
Speaker 2: big platform like we were doing it here on Patriots

1724
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 2: dot com. It was a good sized platform. And Pop

1725
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 2: Douglas's projection was He's going to go on drafted and

1726
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 2: he wasn't really like the seven hundred something up that

1727
01:18:55,479 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 2: it wasn't really on anybody's radar. And mock draft database

1728
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 2: has a chart at chart where it shows like the

1729
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:05,519
Speaker 2: trajectory of a player, whether it's up down, up, down

1730
01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 2: of his stock and as after the Shrine Bowl, after

1731
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 2: Alex and I discovered this jitterbug receiver out of Liberty,

1732
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 2: his line graph went from like all the way down

1733
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 2: here to like all the way up that.

1734
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 1: He went from like seven something to like the like

1735
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 1: three tens something like that ended up around two fifteen. Yeah,

1736
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: I went on with with Tom Kern when we were there,

1737
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 1: and I said, he was like, who'd you see him?

1738
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 1: Because the whole big thing was day Flowers was there, yes,

1739
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 1: and his say Flowers was supposed to be the story.

1740
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,479
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, Jay Flowers didn't practice, but

1741
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 1: if that's what you want, yeah, let me tell you about.

1742
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 1: And then there was another guy because you kept getting

1743
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: them mixed.

1744
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 2: Up from Jackson Dallas Daniels, Dallas Daniels, from Jackson State.

1745
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: And it's another like small shifting there was.

1746
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 2: It was like three tiers and we made the That

1747
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 2: was when the nickname day three Z became a thing

1748
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 2: with Pop Douglas. It was like Zay Flowers was there

1749
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 2: and he was the Day one version of this archetype.

1750
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 2: Then Pop Douglas was there, keep going and he was

1751
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 2: like the Day three version of this archetype. And then

1752
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 2: Dallas Daniels was there and he was like the UDFA

1753
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 2: version of this archetype. And it was those three guys

1754
01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 2: and they all were playing the same who's the Day

1755
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 2: two guy in Well, I don't think there was, Well

1756
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:15,960
Speaker 2: Josh Downs was the Day two guy, but he was

1757
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 2: right Dallas Daniels, Yeah, Mass Jesus Pirates, no way, that's amazing.

1758
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: He was on the Broncos at one point.

1759
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 2: So so that that's Pop Douglas. We discovered Pop Douglas.

1760
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 2: I'm giving us credit for.

1761
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: That from a media standpoint.

1762
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, like he discovered credit right, Yeah, true,

1763
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 2: that that's fair.

1764
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: The credit we we we were responsible for bringing him

1765
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 1: to the mainstream where where like the guys like we,

1766
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: we didn't start the band, We didn't create the band,

1767
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 1: but we were the ones who like went to some

1768
01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 1: random concert and a dingy bar one night, saw this

1769
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:48,679
Speaker 1: band that rock, and then went out and told everybody, hey,

1770
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 1: you gotta listen to this band, and then the band

1771
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 1: blows up.

1772
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 2: We started the fire. What we started the fire? Sure,

1773
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 2: there you go. All right, let's get to the phones.

1774
01:20:57,720 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: We didn't even do defense.

1775
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,040
Speaker 2: Yet, I know, but they been waiting for over an hour.

1776
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:03,599
Speaker 1: The whole team have quick you know, I'm always right.

1777
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 2: I'm going to get to the defense. All right, let's

1778
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 2: see if these guys are still holding. What's up Sean

1779
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 2: and Vancouver? How are we doing good?

1780
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 5: I have a couple of things. So with the offensive

1781
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,320
Speaker 5: line that I'm saying, they will be, but if they're

1782
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:19,680
Speaker 5: the worst offensive line in the league again, they'll still be.

1783
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 5: And I guarantee it's a lot better than last year.

1784
01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 5: Last year they had four players who probably don't even

1785
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 5: make an NFL roster, and they're one player that was

1786
01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 5: their best offensive lineman he has down here. So yeah,

1787
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 5: it's it's gonna be better. And I mean not to

1788
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 5: say that it's going to be in the top half,

1789
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 5: but it'll be better than it will.

1790
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:39,600
Speaker 4: Now.

1791
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 5: The other thing I want to talk about is, uh, sorry,

1792
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 5: I just have to catch my person.

1793
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, be careful out there, Sean.

1794
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I'm on my way to a fitting for

1795
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 5: audacity some walking along the six Street. Sorry about the traffic. Yeah, Well,

1796
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 5: the other thing I wanted to tell you not to

1797
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 5: talk about other podcasts, but I was listening to this

1798
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 5: fantasy podcast about fantasy football, and they made me feel

1799
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 5: the best about the Patriots that I felt in years.

1800
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 5: Like they have this thing called ice and fire, and

1801
01:22:17,200 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 5: they have two eyes players, the Drake May and their

1802
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 5: other eye players. We've been talking about it, You've been

1803
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 5: talking about us. So it just made me feel so

1804
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 5: much better about this team.

1805
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 2: So I'll leave be on that thanks to the call, Sean,

1806
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 2: be safe out there, Sean, don't be dodging traffic to

1807
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 2: talk to us. So I've said this before, but I'll

1808
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 2: say it again. This is the first time since maybe

1809
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 2: since I've actually been professionally covering the team that the

1810
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 2: Patriots have fantasy relevant players.

1811
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,639
Speaker 1: But they do, and they don't because Josh McDaniels inherently

1812
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:53,720
Speaker 1: makes all his players fantasy irrelevant because he's such a

1813
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: game plan coach.

1814
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 2: Okay, but like you're drafting digs, yeah, digs probably. Yeah,

1815
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 2: you're drafting Hunter hen because tight ends not ye, you're

1816
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:03,000
Speaker 2: drafted Hunter Henry.

1817
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 1: And I'm not like they've been fantasy.

1818
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 2: Relevant, like running back wise, they've had some fantasy relevant

1819
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 2: running backs over the years.

1820
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:10,719
Speaker 1: I mean PPR.

1821
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm touching running backs right now

1822
01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 2: with the Patriots, but maybe Henderson late Why the PPR

1823
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:19,839
Speaker 2: league get wide receiver having a relevant player like Stefan

1824
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 2: Diggs and so.

1825
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 1: That's fantasy relevant wide receivers.

1826
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 2: Yes, maybe Pop Douglas too. Maybe I think the Pop

1827
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 2: Douglas thing with fantasy that's gonna hurt him as the touchdowns, Like,

1828
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna have the touchdown production to

1829
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 2: be super fantasy relevant, but maybe I guess prime Edelman

1830
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 2: was probably fantasy relevant. So like eighteen nineteen, maybe we

1831
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 2: covered some teams in that range that had Patriot fantasy

1832
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 2: players that were relevant at wide receiver. But you might

1833
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 2: have to go all the way back to Brandon Cooks

1834
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 2: seven in twenty seventeen to like, because Edelman was always

1835
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 2: just the slot machine, right, Like, he wasn't a big

1836
01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 2: touchdown guy or really a big fantasy producer. But yeah,

1837
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,679
Speaker 2: it's a it's a it's a good time right now

1838
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 2: that they they're finally turning the curve in that sort

1839
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 2: of respect. All right, Patty is an aguan. What's up,

1840
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 2: Patty guys? How you doing good?

1841
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:15,000
Speaker 3: So Alex, I gotta apologize. I'm sorry for tasking you

1842
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 3: with what I tasked you with yesterday.

1843
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 1: I got him the shirt.

1844
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.

1845
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 1: Patty gave me a PEPSI to give to Paul Nice.

1846
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 1: I think I gave it a mic and made mic

1847
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 1: to it. But all right, there you got nice.

1848
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:33,800
Speaker 3: If you, like I said, if you want one for

1849
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 3: like golfin Altun went to the studio for you, buddy.

1850
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 3: But what I one of my big takeaways from yesterday

1851
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,599
Speaker 3: was I don't think this team is going to lack

1852
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 3: effort at all this coming year, especially after Brabel jumped

1853
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:55,680
Speaker 3: in the piles during the skirmish. And a question for

1854
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 3: you guys, do you do you think that like we

1855
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 3: might actually have like a real NFL team this year

1856
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 3: because I don't know what the hell what we watched

1857
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,759
Speaker 3: people last two seasons, but it was an NFL football.

1858
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1859
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 1: No, thanks for the representative group, and you're absolutely right

1860
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 1: about the effort. They love their coach.

1861
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 2: So is that the question that I have that I

1862
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 2: keep coming back to with what Patty just said because

1863
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 2: I'm with him like that, is that the bar for

1864
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 2: this year?

1865
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:23,120
Speaker 1: Like?

1866
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 2: Are you happy as a Patriot fan? This year. If

1867
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 2: the bar is just yep, that was an NFL season,

1868
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 2: like we had football season.

1869
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: Two checkboxes for me. We've been over this, two check

1870
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 1: taxes for me.

1871
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 2: Week eighteen is a meaningful game, so we had a

1872
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 2: football season.

1873
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 1: So well, no, there's two parts. This Week eighteen is

1874
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,600
Speaker 1: a meaningful game, yes, and meaningful for the playoffs, not

1875
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:46,600
Speaker 1: the draft, not like last year. Right, if they you know,

1876
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 1: need help Week eighteen and they win, but another team

1877
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 1: wins that they need to lose it fine, whatever, there's

1878
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: a caveat to that though. They have to be better

1879
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: at the end of the year than they are at

1880
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 1: the beginning, or at least very level the whole way through.

1881
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 1: They can't start five and four in finish six and eleven. Right,

1882
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:06,479
Speaker 1: they can't do one of those things because even go

1883
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 1: back to the end of Bill, they've been falling apart

1884
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:11,600
Speaker 1: at the end of seasons. So Week eighteen matters, and

1885
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 1: it matters because you built as the season went on.

1886
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 1: You were better at the end than you were at

1887
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 1: the beginning. So those are my two. And Drake May

1888
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:19,639
Speaker 1: doesn't turn the ball over a million times, I guess

1889
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 1: that would be my.

1890
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 2: My only thing with the Week eighteen matters. Thing is

1891
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:25,439
Speaker 2: that week eighteen, I think it was week eighteen. By

1892
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 2: this point, they were technically alive in twenty twenty two.

1893
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: So that's why I added the caveat about being better

1894
01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: at the better in.

1895
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,040
Speaker 2: The twenty twenty two season. If they had won in Buffalo,

1896
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 2: they were in the playoffs.

1897
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 1: They should help.

1898
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 2: I thought it was when.

1899
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 1: They needed help. I remember that they needed help. I

1900
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 1: thought it was when they needed help.

1901
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 2: Regardless they were technically it was a if they had

1902
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:46,839
Speaker 2: won the game, they were alive the point.

1903
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 1: Well, but that's why, because we had this conversation already,

1904
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 1: That's why did that caveat. Why did that game they started?

1905
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:56,400
Speaker 1: What did they start that year? Yeah, they started they

1906
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 1: were over five hundred for a little bit there. Yeah,

1907
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 1: they we earned six and four and then they went

1908
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 1: five and two or two and five down the stretch. Yeah,

1909
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:06,680
Speaker 1: So that's why I added the kate, you got to

1910
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: be better at the end. In the beginning, you got

1911
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:09,680
Speaker 1: to be in the playoffs. We gotta be better at

1912
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 1: the end of the beginning. If they start two and

1913
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:14,719
Speaker 1: five and finish eight and nine and they get knocked

1914
01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 1: out on the last week of the year, I mean

1915
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:18,600
Speaker 1: I got to see how it all plays out. But

1916
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 1: I might not hate that. That might be Okay, they

1917
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 1: gave me what they need to give me, Like maybe

1918
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:26,640
Speaker 1: a little better than that, just with their schedule being

1919
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 1: as bad as it is, but like that's kind of

1920
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:29,639
Speaker 1: what I'm looking for.

1921
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 2: Fair enough? All Right, Nate is in Connecticut. What's up, Nate? Yeah,

1922
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 2: we got you, all right.

1923
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,719
Speaker 4: So my question for you guys is about Kyle Duggart.

1924
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 4: I know he's someone you haven't really mentioned at all

1925
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 4: on the two shows. What have you guys seen out

1926
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Speaker 4: of him these past couple of training camps? You know,

1927
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Speaker 4: yet I haven't really heard really anything about him. Is

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Speaker 4: he is he's still under that lump from his injury

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Speaker 4: this pre year, or is the bouncing back sort of

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Speaker 4: and he's getting back into the groove.

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Speaker 2: Thanks you guys, Thanks for the calling Nate. That's a

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1954
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Speaker 2: is a good segue by Nate there. This is becoming

1955
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Speaker 2: kind of like the receiver topic of how good is

1956
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Speaker 2: this receiver room? Actually, how good is this safety room actually,

1957
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 2: and what's going on at safety has become another hot

1958
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Speaker 2: button area of concern, if you will. And Kyle Dugger

1959
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 2: has had a slow camp, and I think the thing

1960
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Speaker 2: that makes it different from past camps kind of like

1961
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 2: what Nate was asking with Kyle Dugger is usually with

1962
01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger there's some splash plays mixed in there where

1963
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 2: like even if it's kind of fluky, like he'll get

1964
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 2: a pick six, or he'll intercept the pass, or he'll

1965
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 2: recover a fumble or like something right, something like usually

1966
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 2: splashy happens with Kyle Dugger that makes him noticeable on

1967
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 2: the practice field. This year, I feel like the only

1968
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 2: thing that I'm noticed seeing is him not exactly holding

1969
01:30:03,200 --> 01:30:03,879
Speaker 2: up in coverage.

1970
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Speaker 1: He was better yesterday, I guess, not in coverage, he's

1971
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,680
Speaker 1: better overall. I say, yeah, I've said that, like I

1972
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,000
Speaker 1: want to play Coyle Lugger in the box. I just

1973
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: want to play Kyle Lugger in the box and let

1974
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 1: him hunt the football. Yeah, that's where he's at his best.

1975
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Speaker 1: Let him do that. They haven't been able to do

1976
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:18,880
Speaker 1: that the last couple of years because they don't have

1977
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 1: a true deep safety. And then Jabrill Peppers was away

1978
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 1: from the team and he was just the guy. So

1979
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 1: they have Jalen Hawkins, they have Marcus EPs. Hopefully he

1980
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,600
Speaker 1: can do it now. Is lil think Peppers is a

1981
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:30,679
Speaker 1: tremendous player. I still think Kyle Dugger is a starting

1982
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 1: caliber player if you put him in that role where

1983
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 1: he can succeed, which they should be able to do,

1984
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 1: especially in this defense. Uh. And then I like their

1985
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 1: dad Hawkins, Epps, Craig Woodsins. Craig Woodson has shown some flashes.

1986
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 1: See if Dell Pettis ends up sticking around, But they

1987
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,080
Speaker 1: have to be healthy. Duggar and Peppers are both significant

1988
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 1: ifs when it comes to health. Epps is coming off

1989
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 1: of torn acl. If they're healthy, it's a really good

1990
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 1: safety room if they're healthy. And that's not like, that's

1991
01:30:55,640 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 1: not an insignificant if with this group.

1992
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Speaker 2: So I think we're this uh. And we got a

1993
01:31:00,280 --> 01:31:03,719
Speaker 2: an email about this as well, you know, titled defending

1994
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:06,320
Speaker 2: tight Ends. I think that where this is all stemming

1995
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 2: from is that Kyle Dugger, when he's been asked to

1996
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 2: defend tight ends throughout his career, and then even in

1997
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 2: the practice yesterday against Zach Ertz, he got beat a

1998
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 2: couple times by Ertz. It's not an area of his

1999
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 2: game that I think is a particular strength, like man

2000
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 2: coverage against tight ends. And if it's not Kyle Duggart.

2001
01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:29,759
Speaker 2: And then you watch Jabrill Peppers and he's been playing

2002
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 2: sort of the hybrid role still where he's you know,

2003
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:34,559
Speaker 2: been in the box quite a bit or even I've

2004
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 2: seen him actually in the third down pass rush package

2005
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:39,320
Speaker 2: quite a bit. Two he he did that a little

2006
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 2: bit as a rookie. Yeah, Peppers like third three level

2007
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 2: guy right now. With this defense, I think Peppers is

2008
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 2: gonna definitely be here and be active for the Patriots defense.

2009
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 2: So if Peppers is doing that sort of thing, and

2010
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:52,880
Speaker 2: you don't want Dugger playing the deep part of the

2011
01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 2: field because you don't really think that's a particular strength

2012
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,599
Speaker 2: of his and he's not holding up covering tight ends,

2013
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 2: this is how we're getting to these rumors about Kyle

2014
01:32:02,040 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 2: Dugger And I think I don't know if a rumor

2015
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 2: might be a little strong more might have just been

2016
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 2: a take. I think Badard was sort of the first one. Yeah,

2017
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 2: let's call it a take by Greg that maybe Kyle

2018
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:14,639
Speaker 2: Duggart could be on the outside looking in and Look,

2019
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:18,600
Speaker 2: this is what happens too with new coaching staffs. Like

2020
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 2: this coaching staff gets here, they start to get into

2021
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 2: camp and figure out the roster and how the pieces

2022
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 2: of the roster fit together, and they just might look

2023
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 2: at it a little bit differently. I think when the

2024
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 2: Patriots signed Peppers and Dugger both to those extensions, they

2025
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 2: were just thinking, good football players. We're gonna keep good

2026
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,360
Speaker 2: football players here. This is what we're gonna do. Now

2027
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 2: that Vaabel's in here, I wonder if him and Terrell

2028
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:43,599
Speaker 2: Williams are looking at it and being like, well, they're redundant, right,

2029
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 2: There's too much overlap to these two skill sets, whereas

2030
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:49,719
Speaker 2: a Craig Woodson or a Jalen Hawkins might be able

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01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 2: to offer a little bit more of a free safety

2032
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 2: body type. And we don't need we don't really love

2033
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 2: Dugger and Peppers together. And I wonder if we are

2034
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 2: going down that path, that might not mean that Kyle

2035
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 2: Duggar is gone this year like it might. This might

2036
01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 2: be a next offseason thing where they fished his contract.

2037
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 1: Makes it tough for right.

2038
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 2: They'd have to probably find a trade, and I think

2039
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 2: that's hard to do.

2040
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:14,680
Speaker 1: And I just wouldn't sell low on a guy like that.

2041
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's where we're at with Kyle Dugger. You know,

2042
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:21,800
Speaker 2: the emailers said, uh so can we just get ready

2043
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 2: for brock Bowers to go for ten for one fifteen

2044
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 2: in week one. My hope about this this, uh you know,

2045
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,400
Speaker 2: to this point with Bowers coming in here week one,

2046
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that Rabel is going to have uh that

2047
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 2: Belichick game plan gene where he's going to be able

2048
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 2: to say anybody but Bowers. Yeah, and maybe that means brackets.

2049
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:46,639
Speaker 2: Maybe that means, you.

2050
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 1: Know, horner. I think it means corner, a corner.

2051
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:53,120
Speaker 2: Maybe that means like Robber or low whole help all

2052
01:33:53,160 --> 01:33:56,439
Speaker 2: the time, so that you're you're not truly bracketing him,

2053
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:59,599
Speaker 2: but you kind of are bracketing him with two eyeballs,

2054
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 2: you know, four set, two sets, four eyeballs on brock

2055
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 2: Bauers most of the game. I would like to think

2056
01:34:05,560 --> 01:34:09,759
Speaker 2: that they're gonna make the Raiders beat them without feeding

2057
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 2: brock Bauers at that level. But we'll see what happens.

2058
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 1: In a long way to be a corner because when

2059
01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:17,599
Speaker 1: you look at why, you know, Vegas' receivers, I'm gonna

2060
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:21,200
Speaker 1: give you the list here. Alex Bachman, Patriots legend, Kwan Baker,

2061
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 1: Jack Beck Patriots legend Philip dor Set, which, by the way.

2062
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 2: Is he the first Philip dor Set is still in

2063
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 2: the league? Yes, it you know who else is still

2064
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 2: in the league? And he was here yesterday? Remember Carl Davis. Yes,

2065
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 2: he's on the Commanders. Yeah, I know, I knew that, Carl.

2066
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 2: I knew that. I had no idea Philip doris Set.

2067
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 1: Still in the league. Is he the first ever NFL

2068
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 1: player to catch a touchdown pass from his owner?

2069
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:44,719
Speaker 2: Wait?

2070
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 1: What is Philip dor Set the first ever NFL player

2071
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 1: to catch a touchdown pass from his owner?

2072
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 2: Who owns him?

2073
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:52,560
Speaker 1: The Oh?

2074
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:56,640
Speaker 2: Oh, I see what you're I Actually he's not.

2075
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:00,519
Speaker 1: Did Brady own the Raiders last year? When did that

2076
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 1: become official?

2077
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 2: I think this year?

2078
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:04,639
Speaker 1: Oh? Because then I forgot the band also doesn't own

2079
01:35:04,680 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 1: the right I forgot the Okay, but you get the point. Yeah,

2080
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 1: it's wild filter, said k Troon Jackson, Shedrick Jackson, Colin Johnson,

2081
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:18,759
Speaker 1: Tommy Mellech, Jakobe Myers, your guy, Dante Thornton who apparently

2082
01:35:18,840 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 1: is having a good camp. Uh, Trey Tucker and Seth Williams,

2083
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 1: so not exactly like Jacoby can play. Right If Jack

2084
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: Betch is like a nice player, you put Gonzales on Jacoby,

2085
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:35,479
Speaker 1: Alex Austin can cover Jack Betch. Yeah, I'm not worried

2086
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:37,720
Speaker 1: about that, like you can put Carlton Davis on on

2087
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 1: brock Bowers.

2088
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I definitely with the to go back to

2089
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:46,760
Speaker 2: the safety thing. They've talked about wanting to be interchangeable

2090
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:48,760
Speaker 2: back there, but I do think that we might be

2091
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 2: gravitating towards more traditional roles, like true free and strong

2092
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 2: safety roles. And right now, Pepper's is definitely in the

2093
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 2: driver's seat to be the strong safety and between Jalen

2094
01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:01,479
Speaker 2: Hawkins and and I would say right now it's probably

2095
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 2: Hawkins and Woodson competing and maybe a little bit of

2096
01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 2: Epps in that competition as well. They're competing for a

2097
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 2: free safety role. And I could see a world where

2098
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 2: Dugger is like a package situational player, like he's not

2099
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 2: somebody that's on the field all the time like he

2100
01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:19,720
Speaker 2: has been the last couple of years. And it'll be

2101
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,360
Speaker 2: interesting to see where they go from there. But maybe

2102
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:27,439
Speaker 2: it is Woodson at free Pepper's a strong Dugger as

2103
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 2: like the third like the like a true Nickel dime safety, right,

2104
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:33,240
Speaker 2: if they want to go three safety, then he's the

2105
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 2: third guy in especially in obvious past, Like I think

2106
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:40,040
Speaker 2: that's where you want to take dougger off the field

2107
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 2: is when you know that they're going to pass the ball. Yeah,

2108
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 2: if he's out there on first down to stop the

2109
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 2: run and to play aggressively and do all that kind

2110
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 2: of stuff, I think he can still be a productive

2111
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 2: player for him. But I wonder if there's a world

2112
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 2: where when we talk about true starters, like we're really

2113
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 2: talking about Peppers with a true free safety like a

2114
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:04,600
Speaker 2: and Hawkins or Craig Woodson, And then that leaves the

2115
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 2: whole conversation about you know who really is covering the

2116
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:09,080
Speaker 2: tight end because I don't. I don't think that that's

2117
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 2: Pepper's strong suit either. I think Pepper's strong suit is

2118
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:16,160
Speaker 2: roaming and being in the box and blitzing and playing

2119
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:16,879
Speaker 2: at the second.

2120
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 1: Hun prob best two safeties are both ideally box safety.

2121
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we'll see where that all ends up. That's

2122
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 2: a big question. The other part of the defense that

2123
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 2: I wanted to get to, I've been really now, look

2124
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:32,360
Speaker 2: the commanders, you said it earlier the Commander's wide receiver

2125
01:37:32,439 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 2: room sans Terry McLaurin is it's it's scary Terry, So

2126
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:42,519
Speaker 2: it's not a great room. That being said, I think

2127
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:45,759
Speaker 2: Alex Austin has really solidified himself as like a third

2128
01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 2: corner in this league. I think he can be that

2129
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 2: player for them. And DJ James, I thought, had another

2130
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 2: decent practice yesterday where he held up pretty well.

2131
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like DJ James, and corner is a position

2132
01:37:57,280 --> 01:37:59,759
Speaker 1: where I'm always a little more concerned with depth than others,

2133
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:02,519
Speaker 1: especially with you know, Carlon davis injury history, and DJ

2134
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:05,240
Speaker 1: James isn't a guy one out there a lot. If

2135
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:06,880
Speaker 1: he has to play his third corner in a game

2136
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 1: or two this year, like, I'm comfortable with that. I'm

2137
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:09,639
Speaker 1: gonna give you one other guy, by the way, he's

2138
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:12,439
Speaker 1: going to make the team that Yeah, literally nobody is

2139
01:38:12,479 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 1: talking about and I kind of know why they're not

2140
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:16,639
Speaker 1: talking about it, but he he's gonna be my Oscar projection.

2141
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, he's going to make the team.

2142
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:22,919
Speaker 1: Trey Avery, Okay, he was with Tenant and Verraible in Tennessee.

2143
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 1: He primarily played special teams and kind of was their

2144
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:28,599
Speaker 1: last rotational corner. It's exactly what Marcell's Dial did here

2145
01:38:28,680 --> 01:38:31,240
Speaker 1: last year. And they signed Tray Avery or they claimed

2146
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:33,360
Speaker 1: him off waivers, which tells you that they like him

2147
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:35,320
Speaker 1: because they didn't wait for him to pass waivers. They

2148
01:38:35,320 --> 01:38:37,800
Speaker 1: claimed him off waivers after Marcel's Dal got hurt. Trey

2149
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 1: Avery's gonna make this team. I feel really strongly about this.

2150
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 1: The corner room is going to be Austin, Avery, Davis, Gonzalez,

2151
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:45,719
Speaker 1: DJ James, Marcus Jones. I'd like to see Isaiah Bolden

2152
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 1: get run. I feel like I've been saying that for

2153
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 1: three years now, and at this point I'm maybe just

2154
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:51,840
Speaker 1: yelling into the void. Yeah, those six guys, that's their

2155
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:53,479
Speaker 1: corner room. I feel very strongly about that.

2156
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I like it like I think it's it's

2157
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 2: good on paper. Obviously, with a second team all pro

2158
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 2: like Gonzala, who's on the upward trajectory, in Carlon Davis

2159
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:04,600
Speaker 2: at the top of the depth charter, it's easy to

2160
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:06,519
Speaker 2: say it's a it's a good room. But what I've

2161
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:11,320
Speaker 2: really been encouraged by is just how well DJ James

2162
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 2: and Alex Austin have held up. Now it's the Patriots

2163
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 2: receiver room, and this is the commander's receiver room. So

2164
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:20,960
Speaker 2: I'll put that caveat in there next week when the

2165
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 2: Patriots go to Minnesota. I don't Justin Jefferson's been kind

2166
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:28,120
Speaker 2: of like hamstring slash on Justin Jefferson. I'll see you

2167
01:39:28,160 --> 01:39:30,840
Speaker 2: week wanting it right now in training camp, So I

2168
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:32,639
Speaker 2: don't know if he's going to be out there next week.

2169
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:36,719
Speaker 2: But they also have Jordan Addison. Of course he's suspended,

2170
01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:40,120
Speaker 2: but yeah, he can still practice for now. So that's

2171
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:43,479
Speaker 2: we're going up a level, is my point. So even

2172
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:47,240
Speaker 2: if it's just Addison and there's no Justin Jefferson, Like,

2173
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:50,679
Speaker 2: how does Austin and DJ James look against Jordan Addison,

2174
01:39:50,680 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 2: who I think is a much better receiver, maybe not

2175
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 2: better than Diggs, but like better than the receivers that

2176
01:39:56,479 --> 01:40:00,320
Speaker 2: the Commanders certainly have outside of Terry McLaurin. So interesting

2177
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:02,759
Speaker 2: to see how those practices go for those depth corners.

2178
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I mean the they also have you know,

2179
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:10,240
Speaker 1: Rondelle Moore's a the NFL receiver representative. Yeah, like they

2180
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:13,760
Speaker 1: have some it's a lot better even without even if

2181
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:18,559
Speaker 1: you want to take out Jefferson, I and Addison. It's

2182
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 1: a better room, I think than what Washington has.

2183
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:21,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that.

2184
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:26,639
Speaker 1: Oh, I you know it's on Minnesota, Bryson nesbit nice.

2185
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 1: So maybe when Member Bill used to do this like

2186
01:40:29,720 --> 01:40:32,240
Speaker 1: they he'd always sign or claim off waivers one guy

2187
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 1: that they faced and joint practices. Yeah, I don't want

2188
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 1: to ask you any of the Commander's tackles look good

2189
01:40:36,840 --> 01:40:40,080
Speaker 1: to you, Laramie Tunzel like that's gonna get on be

2190
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 1: on the bubble.

2191
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:43,040
Speaker 2: Maybe, you know, honestly, I thought Laramie Tunzel was the

2192
01:40:43,040 --> 01:40:46,879
Speaker 2: only one that looked look decent, good player, good football.

2193
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 2: So uh yeah, I'm interested to see you if we

2194
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 2: want as we go up, you know, above weight class

2195
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:57,160
Speaker 2: as they say here with the wide receiver position, if

2196
01:40:57,160 --> 01:41:00,080
Speaker 2: those depth corners still hold up. But you know, in

2197
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 2: some ways and in terms of Gonzo like him pulling

2198
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:04,760
Speaker 2: a hand like that's not good, Like it's not good

2199
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:06,680
Speaker 2: for any of your anybody if you're good players to

2200
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:09,640
Speaker 2: get hurt. I'm not saying yeah, but in some respects

2201
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 2: like having Alex Austen and DJ James get this much

2202
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 2: exposure is.

2203
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:14,320
Speaker 1: Not a valuable rep.

2204
01:41:14,439 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a valuable reps and there's no questions about

2205
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:20,800
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez's ability. He doesn't necessarily need the reps at

2206
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,559
Speaker 2: the same way. So to get an extended look to

2207
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 2: evaluate Austin and DJ James has been a decent development.

2208
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 2: And if you want to look at it like glass

2209
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 2: half full of Gonzo getting hurt during camp, I'd say

2210
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 2: that's the way to look at it. And I do

2211
01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 2: wonder DJ James because he's not the biggest corner. I

2212
01:41:40,760 --> 01:41:44,320
Speaker 2: do wonder if there's like a slot flexibility in his future,

2213
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:47,439
Speaker 2: like maybe he could play more inside and have that

2214
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,320
Speaker 2: ability as well, because I still think that they want

2215
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:52,120
Speaker 2: to have a guy that they can put inside. It's

2216
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:54,599
Speaker 2: a little bit bigger. I don't think that that's Alex

2217
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 2: Austen's game. I think Alex Austen's too like tight hipped

2218
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:01,439
Speaker 2: in like an upright move uh to play the slot.

2219
01:42:02,280 --> 01:42:05,400
Speaker 2: So I feel like, you know, Marcus Jones right now

2220
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 2: is going to play the slot. But I'm I'm on

2221
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:10,680
Speaker 2: an island with Marcus Jones on the PU panel. I'm

2222
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:12,600
Speaker 2: the only guy that still thinks that Marcus Jones is

2223
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:15,760
Speaker 2: a good corner, I guess, but I still think, yeah,

2224
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 2: so Marcus Jones, But he just has to stay healthy

2225
01:42:17,960 --> 01:42:19,639
Speaker 2: if they want to have a bigger body type there.

2226
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 2: Marcel's dial obviously going out was really the front runner

2227
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 2: for that role, I would say, until he got hurt.

2228
01:42:25,320 --> 01:42:28,200
Speaker 2: So now maybe it's DJ James. Once Gonzales and Davis

2229
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:32,760
Speaker 2: start practicing again, maybe this it becomes DJ James. This

2230
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:35,240
Speaker 2: is not you know, I'm not there's not any intel,

2231
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:38,800
Speaker 2: don't aggregamy whatsoever. I just feel like Carlton Davis and

2232
01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:42,400
Speaker 2: carl and Christian Zales, like you know that week in

2233
01:42:42,479 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 2: between where it's like right after the third pre singing game,

2234
01:42:46,479 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 2: but it's not week one yet.

2235
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:50,360
Speaker 1: That yet, Labor Day weekend, that in between week.

2236
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:54,120
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna see zero in seven out there

2237
01:42:54,200 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 2: with you. Yeah, so I'm I I still don't have

2238
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:00,640
Speaker 2: any concern there. In terms of the line scrimmage on

2239
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:03,960
Speaker 2: the defense side of the ball. From practice yesterday, I

2240
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:06,559
Speaker 2: thought Barmore and Milton Williams showed well. I thought, you know,

2241
01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 2: those guys are gonna play, are They're gonna translate against

2242
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 2: every team pretty much. I think I think they're just

2243
01:43:11,240 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 2: gonna be good. I'm really optimistic about what we've seen

2244
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:18,719
Speaker 2: so far out of Harold Landry. I just I don't

2245
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 2: know what it's going to mask A mask too. I

2246
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:23,360
Speaker 2: don't know if his past rush production or like his

2247
01:43:23,479 --> 01:43:25,680
Speaker 2: win rate and all that fancy stuff is all going

2248
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:28,600
Speaker 2: to go back to where it was when Rabel was

2249
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:32,640
Speaker 2: in Tennessee. But I thought he was disruptive yesterday on

2250
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:36,639
Speaker 2: a handful of occasions. I think he just fits the scheme.

2251
01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 2: He knows the scheme. He's pretty good on as a

2252
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:41,840
Speaker 2: looper on some on those stunts or the tn s

2253
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:43,200
Speaker 2: on the end of the line. I thought he was

2254
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 2: productive on some of those yesterday as well. He looks

2255
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:48,519
Speaker 2: like he's in great shape and came in ready to go.

2256
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:53,720
Speaker 2: I've been pleasantly not surprised, but just like it's been

2257
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:55,479
Speaker 2: good for Harold Landry. It's been good.

2258
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's kind of what we expect, right, it

2259
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:01,120
Speaker 1: was gonna be this. You know, he's not gonna be

2260
01:44:01,160 --> 01:44:04,080
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett. He's not going to be this overwhelming pass rusher.

2261
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:06,559
Speaker 1: But his presence, you feel his presence, Yeah, he feels

2262
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:07,479
Speaker 1: presence when he's out there.

2263
01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:09,680
Speaker 2: Anybody else on defense that stood out to you.

2264
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:14,040
Speaker 1: So just camp as a whole, because like I feel

2265
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:16,160
Speaker 1: like we even talked in a while. There's been a

2266
01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:18,760
Speaker 1: lot of practices between the last time we did the show.

2267
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:22,000
Speaker 1: Now I am very pleasantly surprised about Kiros Tonga. I

2268
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 1: Kiros a good day yesterday too, So this this, it

2269
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:27,160
Speaker 1: relates to yesterday. I thought kiris Tong was gonna be

2270
01:44:27,160 --> 01:44:29,080
Speaker 1: the god who's gonna play twenty five thirty percent of

2271
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:31,559
Speaker 1: the time third and short, fourth and short goal line.

2272
01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:34,400
Speaker 1: That was going to be it. He's got a little

2273
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:38,599
Speaker 1: movement to him, and he's not Aaron Donald, but like

2274
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:41,080
Speaker 1: there were a couple of times he created pressure as

2275
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:43,400
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. That's actually something I'm gonna be watching

2276
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:44,520
Speaker 1: for out there tomorrow.

2277
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:46,200
Speaker 2: Night, Like I want to get to that in a second.

2278
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:48,720
Speaker 1: So just like can he play on first and ten?

2279
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:50,680
Speaker 1: Can he play on second and five? He's kind of

2280
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:52,599
Speaker 1: in between downs. Because I've said this, I'm a little

2281
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:54,960
Speaker 1: worried about the run defense as a whole. If Kiris

2282
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 1: Tonga can be more than just a strict situational player,

2283
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:01,360
Speaker 1: that's gonna help him out a lot. So I've been

2284
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:03,479
Speaker 1: really surprised by him. He's been awesome, Like I've really

2285
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 1: enjoyed watching him. He is he seems like a like

2286
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:07,240
Speaker 1: he seems like he gets it too, Like I like

2287
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:09,960
Speaker 1: when we talk to him, I like that he says, yes, he.

2288
01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:13,720
Speaker 2: Is a he's a strong dude, like he's a And

2289
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 2: I think what's impressing me the most about him, to

2290
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:18,479
Speaker 2: your point, is like his bull rush and the pass

2291
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 2: rush is legit, Like he can legitimately dent the pocket

2292
01:45:21,439 --> 01:45:23,599
Speaker 2: with that level of bull rush, and he's he's an

2293
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:26,240
Speaker 2: angry rusher, like you can hear it when he like

2294
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:29,160
Speaker 2: collides with like a garter or center and he starts

2295
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:32,120
Speaker 2: to bowl rush like it's gonna be it's gonna be

2296
01:45:32,120 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 2: a long way to Grandma's house. Like he's not gonna

2297
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 2: blow by people, but he's gonna push the pocket and

2298
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:39,400
Speaker 2: he's gonna end up in the quarterback slap at some point.

2299
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:42,720
Speaker 2: I've been really pleasantly surprised, I'll use that phrase here,

2300
01:45:42,800 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 2: like I've been pleasantly surprised at how uh noticeable he

2301
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:49,800
Speaker 2: has been in the pass rush, Like he's a legitimate

2302
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 2: pocket pusher. And if he can do that, then he

2303
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:55,479
Speaker 2: does become more of a regular player because even on

2304
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:58,080
Speaker 2: first and ten, like he's out there to stop the run.

2305
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:01,160
Speaker 2: But when they play pass, like when they play action

2306
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 2: or they drop back on first and ten. Well, he's

2307
01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:06,559
Speaker 2: not a liability now because he can just dent the

2308
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:10,360
Speaker 2: pocket like that's that's the when a nose tackle becomes

2309
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:13,599
Speaker 2: like a more regular player. You know, Vince Wolfwork wasn't

2310
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:17,519
Speaker 2: blown by people either, but Vince Wolfwork would walk the

2311
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 2: center right back into the quarterback slap and that's a

2312
01:46:20,360 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 2: valuable as said as well, So I'm with you. That

2313
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 2: was a good shout on Tanga. You said, uh, what

2314
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:28,840
Speaker 2: you were looking forward to a little bit there tomorrow night.

2315
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:30,439
Speaker 2: I want to preview the game a little bit here

2316
01:46:30,439 --> 01:46:34,320
Speaker 2: at the end. What are you watching for? I know

2317
01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:37,800
Speaker 2: that preseason the starters don't usually play much these days,

2318
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:40,280
Speaker 2: and that's a bummer for some fans. But I think

2319
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:43,160
Speaker 2: that there's a lot of interesting, you know, competitions that

2320
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 2: are still shaking themselves out at the back end of

2321
01:46:45,520 --> 01:46:47,759
Speaker 2: the roster that I'm going to be watching for, especially

2322
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:49,040
Speaker 2: backup tackles.

2323
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:51,400
Speaker 1: You seem a little higher on Marcus Bryant than me.

2324
01:46:51,479 --> 01:46:53,760
Speaker 1: But and even if you are, like, it's game action,

2325
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,280
Speaker 1: what does Marcus Bryant look like, especially on the left side,

2326
01:46:56,479 --> 01:47:00,439
Speaker 1: Cole Strange, Ben Brown, that dynamic, It's a lot of

2327
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:02,880
Speaker 1: stuff that we talked about, Javon Baker, the back end

2328
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 1: of that wide receiver room, a position we didn't talk about.

2329
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:08,920
Speaker 1: I'll give you this one linebacker. So splaining Gibbons Ellis

2330
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:11,200
Speaker 1: are going to make the team? Yep, those are kind

2331
01:47:11,200 --> 01:47:15,760
Speaker 1: of sideline of sideline faster athletic guys. Are they going

2332
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:18,360
Speaker 1: to keep Marte Mapuh's a fourth one of those guys?

2333
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:20,439
Speaker 1: Is their room for a thumper? Is there a fourth guy?

2334
01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:22,760
Speaker 1: And I don't think Joanna is gonna play because he's hurt.

2335
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:25,960
Speaker 1: But like again, splaining, Gibbons Ellis are all making the team.

2336
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:29,519
Speaker 1: Does a fourth linebacker make the team? If so? Who?

2337
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:31,240
Speaker 1: Monty Rice is a guy we probably should talk a

2338
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:33,559
Speaker 1: little more about. Played for Rabel and Tennessee had a

2339
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:36,920
Speaker 1: good spring, hasn't done as much this summer. Yeah, Like,

2340
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:40,400
Speaker 1: does somebody emerge in that conversation? So I then give yours?

2341
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:41,160
Speaker 1: Then I'll do kickers?

2342
01:47:41,240 --> 01:47:45,360
Speaker 2: Okay, good, good idea? So offensive line. I've been waiting

2343
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:48,840
Speaker 2: since May to watch Will Campbell on tape in a

2344
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 2: Patriot Yeah and so, so just getting some film on

2345
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:56,240
Speaker 2: Will Campbell because I admit, even as a guy that

2346
01:47:56,439 --> 01:47:59,519
Speaker 2: likes to watch the trenches during practice without being able

2347
01:47:59,560 --> 01:48:02,080
Speaker 2: to review the tape of what exactly happened. There's a

2348
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:05,719
Speaker 2: lot of bodies and flying parts and things like that.

2349
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:09,320
Speaker 2: It's hard to really diagnose sometimes in the live viewing

2350
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:12,759
Speaker 2: of practice what exactly happened when there is a breakdown

2351
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 2: on the offensive line. So watching Will Campbell studying his

2352
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:19,559
Speaker 2: film a little bit in a Patriot uniform, I'm really

2353
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:22,320
Speaker 2: looking forward to that. Jared Wilson too, But I think

2354
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:24,519
Speaker 2: all of us are sort of on Campbell watch at

2355
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:26,719
Speaker 2: this point, and I like that. I like that people

2356
01:48:26,920 --> 01:48:29,280
Speaker 2: want to talk about the offensive line. I love that,

2357
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:30,080
Speaker 2: So I.

2358
01:48:30,200 --> 01:48:32,760
Speaker 1: Love that that line had to be historically bad to

2359
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:34,559
Speaker 1: get to this point. Yeah, but hey, we're here whatever.

2360
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 2: We're here. So Will Campbell He's number one on my list.

2361
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:41,200
Speaker 2: Like when I will release like a after further review

2362
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:44,000
Speaker 2: film review after the game, probably on Saturday night, and

2363
01:48:44,040 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 2: it might be the lead story, honestly, is how the

2364
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 2: rookies and how especially Will Campbell looked in their preseason debut.

2365
01:48:50,520 --> 01:48:53,640
Speaker 2: So I'm looking forward to seeing that with Campbell. I

2366
01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:55,960
Speaker 2: think the other things that I'm looking forward are the

2367
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:58,599
Speaker 2: same as what you kind of laid out there. But

2368
01:48:58,680 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 2: really the wide receiver you know, Baker, Chisholm, Polk, those

2369
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:07,120
Speaker 2: guys need to continue to point the arrow upward if

2370
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:09,479
Speaker 2: they're gonna make the team. Like if they don't really

2371
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:12,600
Speaker 2: need to keep six, right, like they don't need to

2372
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:15,559
Speaker 2: keep six, you need to make them need to keep six,

2373
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:18,920
Speaker 2: right if that makes sense, like they don't. You can

2374
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:22,080
Speaker 2: get a lot of teams carry six now, but you

2375
01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:24,840
Speaker 2: can carry five and be good. So if they're gonna

2376
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:28,320
Speaker 2: carry six receivers, it's because Javon Baker just had such

2377
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 2: a good summer that they don't want to cut bait

2378
01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:32,840
Speaker 2: with him just yet, you know. Or Chisholm had a

2379
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:34,840
Speaker 2: great preseason and they won't and he had like this

2380
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:38,000
Speaker 2: Edelman breakout during the preseason and they don't want to

2381
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:40,360
Speaker 2: cut him just yet. So those receivers have got to

2382
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:44,240
Speaker 2: earn spots. Depth along the offensive line is obviously another

2383
01:49:44,280 --> 01:49:47,160
Speaker 2: big one. You know, how does a cold strange look

2384
01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:50,000
Speaker 2: Marcus Bryant, Caden Wallace if he plays in the game.

2385
01:49:50,640 --> 01:49:54,360
Speaker 2: Those guys as well. I'm not looking out too much

2386
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:57,519
Speaker 2: on defense, to be honest with you. I feel like

2387
01:49:57,560 --> 01:50:01,240
Speaker 2: they're defensively they kind of know who there, Like fifteen

2388
01:50:01,320 --> 01:50:04,240
Speaker 2: guys are that are going to play a lot, but

2389
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:06,920
Speaker 2: we'll see maybe about you know those young corners in

2390
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:10,759
Speaker 2: Austin and DJ James. So you do your kicker minute.

2391
01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 2: We got three minutes to go, perfect amount of time.

2392
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:17,800
Speaker 2: I might have a I have a like a a

2393
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:20,200
Speaker 2: half baked take. So what's your You give yours.

2394
01:50:20,040 --> 01:50:22,360
Speaker 1: First, because mine's going to undo yours, my.

2395
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 2: Half bag take on the kicker thing. If we get

2396
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:33,559
Speaker 2: through the Minnesota game and Borgoalis is steady from what

2397
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 2: we've seen over the last what I would say, like

2398
01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:38,439
Speaker 2: a week and a half maybe from him, I think

2399
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:40,600
Speaker 2: it's over. I think it's over. You're not going to

2400
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:42,160
Speaker 2: cut a draft pick.

2401
01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:44,760
Speaker 1: Oh, I get to bring back my two kickers take.

2402
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:46,960
Speaker 2: You're not going to cut the draft pick if it's

2403
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:50,960
Speaker 2: even and he's already it's probably even to maybe a

2404
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 2: little bit of an edge towards Borgalis at this point.

2405
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:56,280
Speaker 2: And I just don't see a world unless Borgoalis falls

2406
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 2: apart in the next couple of weeks. In the preseason

2407
01:50:58,680 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 2: where Parker Romo.

2408
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:02,439
Speaker 1: When do you remember the two kickers take? Yeah, I

2409
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:03,120
Speaker 1: was very proud.

2410
01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:04,479
Speaker 2: What was your actual kicker take?

2411
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:06,200
Speaker 1: So my actual kicker take is this. It has been

2412
01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:08,840
Speaker 1: closed between the two of them. They've both been absolutely nails.

2413
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:12,439
Speaker 1: Borgals hasn't missed in like two weeks. H Parker Romo

2414
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:14,800
Speaker 1: finally missed his first kick yesterday, and I'm not kidding

2415
01:51:14,800 --> 01:51:17,160
Speaker 1: he missed it by this much like they've both been

2416
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:20,960
Speaker 1: locked in. So I'm thinking about this right, and we're

2417
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:23,920
Speaker 1: missing half the story. When we talk about it. We

2418
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:26,760
Speaker 1: we use the field goals because they're easy, right, it's

2419
01:51:26,760 --> 01:51:30,080
Speaker 1: good or it's not good. The field goals might not

2420
01:51:30,120 --> 01:51:32,559
Speaker 1: be the deciding factor here. If they're both good, it's

2421
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:34,400
Speaker 1: gonna be the kick. It's gonna be the kickoffs. This

2422
01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:37,200
Speaker 1: is so you It's gonna be a kickoffs and I'm waiting.

2423
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:37,600
Speaker 2: I love it.

2424
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:39,840
Speaker 1: Can't wait till we get to talk talk to Jeremy Springer, Yanks.

2425
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:40,800
Speaker 1: I want to ask them about this.

2426
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:43,320
Speaker 2: I can't wait, Marian to talk to the special you

2427
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:47,360
Speaker 2: can't wait. Yeah, so sorry. Sorry.

2428
01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:49,120
Speaker 1: Springer's talked about how he thinks there's going to be

2429
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:50,880
Speaker 1: more kickoff returns this year. They moved that touch back

2430
01:51:50,960 --> 01:51:52,600
Speaker 1: up to the thirty five. Right. Team don't want to

2431
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:54,479
Speaker 1: deal with that, So that tells me the Patriots don't

2432
01:51:54,479 --> 01:51:55,600
Speaker 1: want to deal with it. They want to put the

2433
01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:58,479
Speaker 1: ball and play and cover, So you got to be able.

2434
01:51:58,920 --> 01:52:00,840
Speaker 1: You can't be kicking the ball in the end zone. Yeah,

2435
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:02,240
Speaker 1: but you don't want to kick it so short that

2436
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:05,000
Speaker 1: you can't set up your return coverage. So follow you

2437
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:07,439
Speaker 1: need which kicker can work it if they're both hitting

2438
01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:10,479
Speaker 1: every field goal, right, Okay, which kicker is better at kickoffs?

2439
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:12,960
Speaker 1: Which one's consistently getting the ball inside the five but

2440
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:15,400
Speaker 1: not putting it in the end zone. Now that's not

2441
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:17,639
Speaker 1: as black and white judging as field goals because even

2442
01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:19,639
Speaker 1: if they put it in the side the five, there

2443
01:52:19,680 --> 01:52:22,120
Speaker 1: is a play call on that we don't know. And Okay,

2444
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:24,120
Speaker 1: he put it inside, but it was on the right

2445
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:25,800
Speaker 1: sideline when it was supposed to be in the middle,

2446
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:27,360
Speaker 1: or he kicked it like this and he's supposed to

2447
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:30,320
Speaker 1: kick like that. Whatever, Right, But it might come down

2448
01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:34,320
Speaker 1: to who's the better kickoff kicker, and again not knowing

2449
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:36,840
Speaker 1: the play calls, just looking at who's more consistently getting

2450
01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 1: the ball in that range where you want to get it.

2451
01:52:39,080 --> 01:52:42,120
Speaker 1: I would say Borgoalis by a smidge in the kickoff

2452
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 1: stuff we've seen them do in practice. Hopefully the Patriots

2453
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 1: are scoring a lot, because I want to see a

2454
01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:48,120
Speaker 1: lot of kickoffs, because I think that might be more

2455
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:50,479
Speaker 1: than anything else, which determines the kicker battle. That might

2456
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:52,160
Speaker 1: matter more than the field goals. If they're both going

2457
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:53,000
Speaker 1: to be this good.

2458
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:55,200
Speaker 2: I just don't see a world and also.

2459
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:57,000
Speaker 1: Sorry, I want with that the kickoff returner battle is

2460
01:52:57,040 --> 01:52:57,439
Speaker 1: important too.

2461
01:52:57,479 --> 01:52:59,560
Speaker 2: We'll see that's smart night, So begals. You invested a

2462
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:02,000
Speaker 2: six round I'm picking the guy, and I just feel

2463
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:03,559
Speaker 2: like it would have to have been an app like

2464
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:07,240
Speaker 2: a Justin rhor Wasser esque train wreck for to cut

2465
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:11,040
Speaker 2: a sixth round pick. And the fact that Bergalis is

2466
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 2: at least even with Parker Roman and probably maybe a

2467
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:16,439
Speaker 2: little bit better at this point than Parker Romo.

2468
01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:19,160
Speaker 1: Parco hadn't missed till Yes, that's kind of insane. He

2469
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:21,639
Speaker 1: was like twenty I think he ate his first twenty

2470
01:53:21,720 --> 01:53:24,639
Speaker 1: three before he missed it. Just that's wild.

2471
01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:26,760
Speaker 2: It's hard for me to envision a world where they

2472
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:30,200
Speaker 2: cut the draft pick. It is, so that's it.

2473
01:53:30,240 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 1: I will sort of bring back my two kicker takes now,

2474
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:34,760
Speaker 1: don't there are not. I'm not saying they're going to

2475
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:35,320
Speaker 1: keep two kickers.

2476
01:53:35,320 --> 01:53:36,320
Speaker 2: You think they're gonna try even.

2477
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:38,360
Speaker 1: Though I met fifty two players on my roster projection

2478
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 1: right now. And I could do it if I wanted.

2479
01:53:40,240 --> 01:53:42,240
Speaker 1: I could do it if I wanted. Yes, they could

2480
01:53:42,280 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 1: maybe if a team's worried about the kicker situation, if

2481
01:53:45,120 --> 01:53:47,599
Speaker 1: Parker Romo is still not missing in the preseason, can

2482
01:53:47,600 --> 01:53:49,439
Speaker 1: they get when they get a seventh round pick for Nicktop,

2483
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:51,719
Speaker 1: can you do some sort of pick swap or something

2484
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:53,400
Speaker 1: and get a pick for John Parker Romo?

2485
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:55,519
Speaker 2: So really quickly, and then we got to go. I

2486
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:57,920
Speaker 2: want to I want to unpack your your kickoff thing

2487
01:53:57,960 --> 01:53:59,719
Speaker 2: a little bit because I think this is I actually

2488
01:53:59,720 --> 01:54:01,479
Speaker 2: find it a tad a bit interesting.

2489
01:54:01,560 --> 01:54:03,679
Speaker 1: It is interesting and the play is interesting.

2490
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:10,519
Speaker 2: So basically, the the best kick in the current rules

2491
01:54:11,120 --> 01:54:14,400
Speaker 2: is to bounce it like inside the ten yard line,

2492
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:16,120
Speaker 2: but to like keep it in bounce.

2493
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:17,920
Speaker 1: No, so the best thing you.

2494
01:54:17,880 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 2: Can do because he has to go in the landing zone.

2495
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:23,840
Speaker 1: Right. So okay, so a touchback, there's two touchbacks now.

2496
01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:25,760
Speaker 2: Because it bounces into the end zone. It's the last

2497
01:54:25,760 --> 01:54:26,719
Speaker 2: Touchbown's twenty.

2498
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:28,800
Speaker 1: That's to the twenty. That's the old touchbacks. So that's

2499
01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:31,559
Speaker 1: what you want to do, right, But are any teams

2500
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:33,640
Speaker 1: just gonna willingly let the ball bounce into the end

2501
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:37,520
Speaker 1: zone and start at the twenty. Maybe I don't think so.

2502
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:40,640
Speaker 1: If you don't trust yourself in this format to return

2503
01:54:40,680 --> 01:54:42,600
Speaker 1: the ball to the twenty, I'm sorry, you suck.

2504
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:43,280
Speaker 3: You know.

2505
01:54:43,400 --> 01:54:45,440
Speaker 2: It's not that you don't trust it, but a lot

2506
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:47,800
Speaker 2: of a lot of coaches I you don't. It's not

2507
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:50,240
Speaker 2: so much about the return, it's about this ball security.

2508
01:54:50,280 --> 01:54:51,880
Speaker 2: I think for a lot of coaches.

2509
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:53,800
Speaker 1: If you don't trust yourself to hold onto the ball

2510
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:56,440
Speaker 1: and run twenty yards and risk that much field position.

2511
01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:59,280
Speaker 1: Remember they're lining up on the thirty five. Yeah, right,

2512
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:00,880
Speaker 1: that's that's where the coverage team is.

2513
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:05,320
Speaker 2: So so in your mind, the best where would you want? Ideally,

2514
01:55:05,560 --> 01:55:08,480
Speaker 2: because you want the ball, you want to put the

2515
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:13,240
Speaker 2: ball in the landing zone, but not in the end zone.

2516
01:55:13,280 --> 01:55:15,000
Speaker 1: You can't come short. Short of the landing zone is

2517
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:15,760
Speaker 1: the forty.

2518
01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 2: Right, But you don't want it to go in the end.

2519
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:19,160
Speaker 1: You can't go directly the end zones. That's thirty five.

2520
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:21,040
Speaker 1: So this is what I need to ask Springer, because

2521
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:23,640
Speaker 1: I've heard both sides of the arguments on this. If

2522
01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:26,160
Speaker 1: you kick it as deep as possible without it going

2523
01:55:26,200 --> 01:55:29,360
Speaker 1: into the end zone, you have more time to develop

2524
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:31,880
Speaker 1: your coverage, play whatever you have drawn up, because there's

2525
01:55:31,880 --> 01:55:33,000
Speaker 1: like stunts and twists and stuff.

2526
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:35,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, they were pretty creative with it last year.

2527
01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:38,080
Speaker 1: But the flip side of that is if you kick

2528
01:55:38,120 --> 01:55:41,320
Speaker 1: it to like the eighteen nineteen, well, now the other

2529
01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:44,360
Speaker 1: team doesn't have time to set up their blocking, So

2530
01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:47,760
Speaker 1: that might just be I might ask him and he'll say,

2531
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:49,840
Speaker 1: I can't give away that strategy, like that might be

2532
01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:52,760
Speaker 1: a different thing team to team. I look at it

2533
01:55:52,840 --> 01:55:54,560
Speaker 1: like a punt. I want to put it as close

2534
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:57,160
Speaker 1: to the goal line as possible as Also, then you're

2535
01:55:57,200 --> 01:55:59,320
Speaker 1: pressuring them to catch it and not let it roll

2536
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:01,640
Speaker 1: into the end zone at the eighteen, Like it's not

2537
01:56:01,640 --> 01:56:02,800
Speaker 1: gonna ll the end zone for the eighteen.

2538
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:05,040
Speaker 2: But what I would say is the ideal and then

2539
01:56:05,080 --> 01:56:07,440
Speaker 2: we got to go. But I we started a little late,

2540
01:56:07,480 --> 01:56:09,920
Speaker 2: so it's okay. Yeah, what I would say is the ideal.

2541
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:11,520
Speaker 2: And the people that are listening to this.

2542
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:12,680
Speaker 1: Right now, these are the ones.

2543
01:56:12,760 --> 01:56:14,000
Speaker 2: These are the diehards.

2544
01:56:14,040 --> 01:56:17,840
Speaker 1: We call these p ones. I if it would me, yeah.

2545
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:20,840
Speaker 2: I would want to land it like right outside the

2546
01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:23,640
Speaker 2: end zone. Yeah, and I'm putting it right on a

2547
01:56:23,720 --> 01:56:28,280
Speaker 2: spot that Brennan's schooler is just sprinting to as part

2548
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 2: of the coverage unit, and I am hoping that Brennan's

2549
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:35,120
Speaker 2: school is, like in Tennessee last year, is going to

2550
01:56:35,160 --> 01:56:37,280
Speaker 2: come down and light the dude up.

2551
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:38,400
Speaker 1: Well right like that, You have to.

2552
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:41,280
Speaker 2: Remember the schooler can't move until the ball is caught, right, So,

2553
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:43,680
Speaker 2: but he's still got up over twenty miles an hour

2554
01:56:43,720 --> 01:56:44,960
Speaker 2: in Tennessee, he.

2555
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:47,840
Speaker 1: Did, but the guy's going to be gone by the time.

2556
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:50,200
Speaker 1: Schooler's got to go thirty five yards to get to

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01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:52,880
Speaker 1: where that ball is, and he can't start running till

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01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:53,560
Speaker 1: the guys already caught.

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01:56:53,640 --> 01:56:55,200
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying he's going to get the ball.

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01:56:55,360 --> 01:56:57,360
Speaker 2: I'm saying he's just going to be in the path

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01:56:57,480 --> 01:56:59,520
Speaker 2: so that when the guy starts moving up the field,

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01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:01,880
Speaker 2: you can get that collision. So then when you have

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01:57:01,960 --> 01:57:05,160
Speaker 2: to do either that's it's to fear, feel position or

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01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:07,600
Speaker 2: maybe even you make it.

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01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:10,560
Speaker 1: That makes sense, But that's hard because you can't kick it.

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01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:13,280
Speaker 1: This is where I like when I said we don't

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01:57:13,320 --> 01:57:15,360
Speaker 1: know exactly what the kickoff play is, we can't fully

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01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:18,000
Speaker 1: judge it. You can't run that play if you're kicking

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01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:19,360
Speaker 1: the ball in the middle of the field. Because now

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01:57:19,400 --> 01:57:20,200
Speaker 1: the returner.

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01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:21,600
Speaker 2: Can go left right, you have to You've got to

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01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:23,320
Speaker 2: pin him in the corner, which is hard, you.

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01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:25,680
Speaker 1: Know, goes out of bounds. Now you really blue, so

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01:57:25,760 --> 01:57:27,640
Speaker 1: you're trying to really I kind of like it because

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01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:29,840
Speaker 1: the old it's not back, but the old coffin corner

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01:57:29,880 --> 01:57:32,080
Speaker 1: sort it back. If you're going to do that, ideally

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01:57:32,120 --> 01:57:34,080
Speaker 1: of school, are in another guy and you kick in

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01:57:34,160 --> 01:57:36,520
Speaker 1: the middle, and you vice that's what I would do.

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01:57:36,680 --> 01:57:39,680
Speaker 2: Okay, just I think I know the answer to this. Yeah,

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01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:41,600
Speaker 2: you have to kick it off the tee.

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01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:45,760
Speaker 1: So somebody told me they changed that, and then I

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01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:47,480
Speaker 1: don't know. I thought I saw them doing it it camp.

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01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:49,840
Speaker 1: The other thing is like last year teams figured out

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01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:51,680
Speaker 1: if you laid the ball down flat on the tee

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01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:53,640
Speaker 1: instead of standing up. I want to make you go

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01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:55,320
Speaker 1: get me one of those footballs to show it. Yeah,

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01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:57,600
Speaker 1: like if you laid the ball flat on the tee,

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01:57:57,600 --> 01:57:59,760
Speaker 1: you could put this weird spin on it, which now

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01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:01,400
Speaker 1: that you don't need to kick it as far teams

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01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:02,840
Speaker 1: willing to do. And then they said, no, it has

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01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:03,640
Speaker 1: to be standing up on it.

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01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:04,840
Speaker 2: But you can't drop kick it.

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01:58:05,240 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 1: You can't. Well, you still do the drop kick but

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01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:08,080
Speaker 1: that's a whole other thing.

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01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:11,040
Speaker 2: I know. But I'm saying, like, they can't put like

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01:58:11,120 --> 01:58:14,320
Speaker 2: Bryce Barringer out there to literally punt it. It has

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01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:16,440
Speaker 2: to be it's not a free kick like you have.

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01:58:16,560 --> 01:58:18,360
Speaker 1: You can't do a free kick. No, But there was

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01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:22,800
Speaker 1: a thing where some teams were literally experimenting, do you

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01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:26,080
Speaker 1: know what driver off the deck means? Yes, essentially that

2601
01:58:26,120 --> 01:58:28,480
Speaker 1: they were just going to put the ball on the grass,

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01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 1: no tea and kick it because you could make it

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01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:33,640
Speaker 1: spin a certain way and it made it really hard

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01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:35,520
Speaker 1: to catch, and it just created a whole other thing

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01:58:35,560 --> 01:58:37,720
Speaker 1: for the return team to worry about. And then the

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01:58:37,800 --> 01:58:39,720
Speaker 1: league said, no, the ball has to be upright on

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01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:43,000
Speaker 1: the tee. But then there was a whole conversation about okay,

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01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:44,600
Speaker 1: well it has to be upright on the tee. What

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01:58:44,640 --> 01:58:46,640
Speaker 1: if it's not on the tee, can you kick off

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01:58:46,680 --> 01:58:49,480
Speaker 1: without a tea? And I don't remember where that conversation went.

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01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:50,920
Speaker 1: That's another thing we have to ask Springer.

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01:58:51,080 --> 01:58:53,480
Speaker 2: Okay, so this this is the only show that you're

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01:58:53,480 --> 01:58:55,760
Speaker 2: going to get ten minutes on the kickoffs. I promise

2614
01:58:55,800 --> 01:58:58,000
Speaker 2: you that, like this is the only show in New

2615
01:58:58,040 --> 01:59:00,480
Speaker 2: England that is going to talk about the kicks and

2616
01:59:00,520 --> 01:59:03,720
Speaker 2: break down the kickoffs like we just did. So you're welcome.

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01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:07,040
Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed it. You're welcome. That was just

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01:59:07,080 --> 01:59:10,320
Speaker 2: for you guys. There. So next week, a couple housekeeping

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01:59:10,360 --> 01:59:13,040
Speaker 2: things here before we sign off. I am going to

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01:59:13,200 --> 01:59:16,560
Speaker 2: Minnesota next week for the joint practices. We are going

2621
01:59:16,600 --> 01:59:18,960
Speaker 2: to have a show. It's going to be Thursday, four

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01:59:19,000 --> 01:59:22,600
Speaker 2: to six pm Eastern time because the Vikings practice at

2623
01:59:22,680 --> 01:59:27,360
Speaker 2: noon Central time, so there's like time differences. I'm not

2624
01:59:27,400 --> 01:59:29,520
Speaker 2: going to try to confuse you guys. It's math. It's hard.

2625
01:59:30,040 --> 01:59:31,960
Speaker 2: But we're going to be on from four to six

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01:59:32,040 --> 01:59:34,960
Speaker 2: Eastern time next Thursday, so we will have a show.

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01:59:35,120 --> 01:59:38,040
Speaker 2: We will talk about both practices, so we'll have plenty

2628
01:59:38,040 --> 01:59:40,080
Speaker 2: of things to talk about. I will which will be

2629
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:43,320
Speaker 2: all well and good and lots of fun. And so

2630
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:45,400
Speaker 2: then we'll see you guys. Then, thanks for watching, thanks

2631
01:59:45,440 --> 01:59:48,080
Speaker 2: for listening, Thanks for listening to the special teams talk

2632
01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:50,200
Speaker 2: as well. If you're still here with us, and we'll

2633
01:59:50,200 --> 01:59:51,120
Speaker 2: see you guys next week.

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01:59:51,200 --> 01:59:51,480
Speaker 1: Bye.

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01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:55,880
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01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:57,560
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02:00:02,320 --> 02:00:04,440
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2640
02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:06,360
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02:00:06,480 --> 02:00:07,040
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