Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from
Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. We have
Speaker 1: somebody with us today, Miles, who I think will help
Speaker 1: us shed a little bit of light on this subject.
Speaker 1: A writer, cartoonist, podcaster, a former roboticist who has written
Speaker 1: books like We Have No Idea Guide to the Unknown Universe.
Speaker 1: His new podcast Science Stuff. Answer is answering fascinating questions
Speaker 1: every episode, like is hypnotism real?
Speaker 2: Do our pets lie to us? I've been saying this
Speaker 2: for years, I know. And a bird is a liar?
Speaker 2: That bird is having fun up there? That's fun.
Speaker 1: Do you really have to wait thirty minutes to go swimming?
Speaker 1: Which is going to be my first question for him.
Speaker 1: Our dear death experience is real. It's a great listen.
Speaker 1: We're thrilled to have him back. Please welcome back to
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 3: Or hey, hello, hello friends, Hello dailies, or what do
Speaker 3: you call your audience.
Speaker 2: Hikes? Yikes? They call them the status quis actually all right?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't try to slip that by him, just because
Speaker 1: he's a scientist, Miles, just to wait, he's Miles. Try
Speaker 1: to pluralize status quo as status quhi and then status's status.
Speaker 3: Whoa yeah stati quotes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wait that is you're I'm going to no, no, sorry,
Speaker 2: I was just making statusy yeah, it's it's status is
Speaker 2: quot So I wasn't. Yeah, I want attorney's general. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was attorney in general. So that's the other ones.
Speaker 2: I love things like that. Yep, yeah, yeah, well great,
Speaker 2: or hey, we're thrilled to have you back.
Speaker 1: Okay, can you just do you really have to wait
Speaker 1: thirty minutes to go swimming? Because I have a multiple
Speaker 1: times in my life not waited and then you're dying,
Speaker 1: I think, but maybe I'll die in my fifties from it,
Speaker 1: from like stocking up, it's like stop, like a sleep
Speaker 1: debt that you've built up. It's like too much time
Speaker 1: swimming after with just fifteen minutes after eating.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, we've all been there.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: You're a kid.
Speaker 3: You want to go back in the pool, it's hot,
Speaker 3: you want to play with your friends, but some adults
Speaker 3: to tell you you can't do it. Yeah, you have
Speaker 3: to wait thirty minutes. And and for me this was
Speaker 3: kind of personal because my aunt was a doctor and
Speaker 3: she would take of swimming all the time. She'd be like, no,
Speaker 3: you have to wait thirty minutes after eating, and so
Speaker 3: in this episode, I really wanted to know the answer. Yeah,
Speaker 3: which is apparently you don't have to wait thirty minutes
Speaker 3: after eating to go swimming, but you probably should. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: probably should, but you don't, Like, yeah, you're not gonna die,
Speaker 3: You're not gonna get cramps. Cramps are not related to
Speaker 3: what you actually cramps are related to what you don't eat,
Speaker 3: Like if you don't eat enough electrolytes or sugars, they
Speaker 3: think maybe that's one cause for cramps, which is super
Speaker 3: interesting to me that scientists don't know what causes cram Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like they're one of those taking it up.
Speaker 2: We don't know. Yeah, seem real.
Speaker 1: It seems like it's one of those a public health
Speaker 1: policy question like where it's like, I mean, you could
Speaker 1: probably get away with it on your own, but like
Speaker 1: as a public pool policy, if you don't want people
Speaker 1: throwing up in your pool or you know, cramping in
Speaker 1: a giant pool, then like it's probably good policy to
Speaker 1: have for a whole ass public pool, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's probably just recommended just because you know,
Speaker 3: you're you're kind of flat when you're swimming, so your
Speaker 3: stomach kind of gets turned around.
Speaker 2: Oh it's like the zero gravity stuff that space. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And also like your body time to digest, you know.
Speaker 2: Right, right right hard disagree on that one where I
Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah, I've taken a bite of pizza and
Speaker 2: then immediately done a cannonball with the pizza in your mouth.
Speaker 2: I probably have done that. Yeah, I come up still
Speaker 2: chewing it. It comes a little soggy, but you know
Speaker 2: the sacrifices. When I was exhaling as I dove in
Speaker 2: the water, a lot of Marinera came out of my nose.
Speaker 2: What kind of pizza was that? And it's a tomato pie? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What is something from your search history that is revealing?
Speaker 4: Last night I was in katamine therapy and so I'm
Speaker 4: in the recliner and I'm on the high dose now,
Speaker 4: like sadly, the way I calm myself down when when
Speaker 4: when the drug is first coming on as I fucking
Speaker 4: look at my phone, which is so sad It's like
Speaker 4: it's like holding my little mommy.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I look at Instagram and I'm like, I must still
Speaker 4: be alive.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's fucking horrific for people. For listeners who haven't
Speaker 1: listened to the last episode. Keademine therapy is this is
Speaker 1: actual kedemine therapy, like with medical staff delivering it to
Speaker 1: you at a clinic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not sitting on a pile of old tires like
Speaker 2: in a yard.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I have chronic depression. I've had I've had
Speaker 4: chronic depression, you know, ever since my ceramics teacher said
Speaker 4: I looked like fifty year old character actor when I
Speaker 4: was in eighth grade, and I've I started well, I
Speaker 4: started taking zoll Off at some point in the nineties
Speaker 4: and then I was still drinking, so I don't know
Speaker 4: what it was doing, but I was trying to have
Speaker 4: it both ways.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I was like I could drink and also I'm like
Speaker 4: the doctor's are always like you can't do both, and
Speaker 4: I was like, watch me, I'm a special you know.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you haven't met ye old character actor. That's
Speaker 2: all I'm gonna say for the rest of the show,
Speaker 2: only joke.
Speaker 4: So anyway, like zol off sucks, and as I've gotten older,
Speaker 4: like it really. I mean, the biggest thing it does
Speaker 4: is it cuts your sex drive down, which is not
Speaker 4: a big deal when you're twenty eight, but when you're
Speaker 4: fifty six, it starts to be pretty annoying. And it
Speaker 4: might explain why I've been writing all these poems, because
Speaker 4: I'm like, are you a poet or do you need supplements?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: So, I think you know, whoever that guy was hung
Speaker 4: around the pond all the time had low te.
Speaker 2: Helpful? Who is it?
Speaker 4: I always get them because throw, yeah, you can't make
Speaker 4: any money being obsessed with ponds these days, I'll tell
Speaker 4: you that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So I started talking to a therapist again about trying
Speaker 4: to get off Zoloft, and I just they all kind
Speaker 4: of have the same You either kind of can take
Speaker 4: them and you don't have serious side effects, even though
Speaker 4: I've never met anybody who didn't have have side effects.
Speaker 4: But they allege that there are some people who don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I hope I'm glad for them. But
Speaker 4: I always get side effects, whether it's nerves, like if
Speaker 4: I take well Buttrin, I go completely. They always recommend
Speaker 4: well Buttrin, like when I say, I want to get
Speaker 4: off soft and I think I've used this, you guys,
Speaker 4: I've been talking about on my own podcast, so I
Speaker 4: might overlap. But you know, the time I took well
Speaker 4: Buttrick in l A, and I was like feeling like
Speaker 4: every time I take well buttra in the weird energy
Speaker 4: I get from it, which is actually anxiety and kind
Speaker 4: of mania. I start to think I'm like getting better
Speaker 4: for the first month. But I was in the car,
Speaker 4: like driving on the two, and I was like, I
Speaker 4: realized that I was listening to Pink Floyd the final
Speaker 4: cut really loud and drinking of Vanila latte, neither of
Speaker 4: things I do.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I was like, I.
Speaker 4: Do not listen to the Pink Floyd sound possible so
Speaker 4: possible path on a sunny day in La normally.
Speaker 2: And you may find yourself sipping a Vanilla lay on
Speaker 2: the tube and.
Speaker 4: That's when you finally say enough well buttre and you
Speaker 4: go back on Zoloft sadly. So anyway, I started taking ketemine.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, go, I went through a whole
Speaker 4: bunch of stuff. The brand of the drug is Bravado,
Speaker 4: which I don't know if I told you guys, last time,
Speaker 4: which I think is so funny and I think is
Speaker 4: what is called bravado in the in the Nasal spray
Speaker 4: forum that I'm doing it. I do it Mondays and Wednesdays,
Speaker 4: and I've done about probably about fifteen, no, maybe twelve
Speaker 4: or fifteen of them at this point, and I do
Speaker 4: think it's helping. So I'm gonna make fun of it
Speaker 4: because I think I talked about it last show where
Speaker 4: it's just like kind of like doing ketemine a Jiffy
Speaker 4: Loube or something like. It's like the people who help you,
Speaker 4: you know, like they're just low paid people. Like it's
Speaker 4: a venture capital model for every business, including Ketemine treatments.
Speaker 2: So you're not gonna have shuffle through. Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 2: just have these.
Speaker 4: Sort of like well intentioned, low paid people trying to
Speaker 4: help you, you know, and they also shuffle everybody through.
Speaker 4: They shuffle people through every job there. So at this
Speaker 4: point I've held hands with like just about everybody in
Speaker 4: the building while I thought I was dying, you know, like,
Speaker 4: and they're like, you know, I saw you know, like
Speaker 4: you see the guy in the parking lot blowing leaves
Speaker 4: and he's like, you're doing better, man, to remember when
Speaker 4: you told me about your childhood for while you were peaking.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of like tripping with strangers and which
Speaker 4: is odd, but I have gotten to be able to
Speaker 4: get through it. But Okay, so I'm in this office
Speaker 4: park and you're kind of stoned on Kennemine, so like
Speaker 4: you have the same kind of thoughts, like like office park.
Speaker 4: I started thinking about that term, you know, for a while,
Speaker 4: and I was just like, what the fuck?
Speaker 5: Like even that, I was like, I think you're having
Speaker 5: a bad trip of only kind of parks America, you know,
Speaker 5: like yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like office park was enough for me to.
Speaker 1: Like the top three parks number one, amusing the park,
Speaker 1: number two.
Speaker 2: Water Park number three. This is only three good parts.
Speaker 4: So yeah, so I was like I was already like
Speaker 4: because it's like they give you the nasal spray, you
Speaker 4: take three of them one and then wait five minutes
Speaker 4: and then you have another. And that was the dose
Speaker 4: I did the first couple of times, and I still
Speaker 4: freaked out, but I have managed to calm myself down
Speaker 4: and let myself get through it. And it's not easy,
Speaker 4: and I think that's helping helping because I realized how
Speaker 4: wound up I am? And did I tell you I
Speaker 4: found a Johns Hopkins ketamine playlist? Did I tell you
Speaker 4: that time last time?
Speaker 2: No? But that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I mean Johns Hopkins is like at the forefront of
Speaker 1: medical research, and I think they do a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff now for now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's what I said to the Like. Also,
Speaker 4: I talk politics when I get like high, so it's
Speaker 4: like everybody in there.
Speaker 2: Is like, oh God, this guy, like here you go
Speaker 2: about here you go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's gonna talk about the fucking darkest ship. When
Speaker 4: we go in there, it's not go in there. I
Speaker 4: pressed the panic button and they're like, I'm not going in.
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear.
Speaker 2: About Irish history. Yeah.
Speaker 4: From a guy says he's dying because I did that
Speaker 4: one time. I talked about Irish history for a really
Speaker 4: long time. I was the guy and he was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta go check on other patients. Are
Speaker 4: you I don't think you're dying, probably because you're talking
Speaker 4: a lot. So I don't even remember what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: What did you just you just googled office Park?
Speaker 4: No, So I was like, this is what happened. I'm
Speaker 4: looking at my Instagram on Keademy, and I'm taking the
Speaker 4: full dose now and I'm managing it and I'm feeling
Speaker 4: pretty good about it. But it does help me to
Speaker 4: look at my phone to just kick me from freaking out.
Speaker 4: And then I listened to music too, and I did
Speaker 4: look up some one of the doctors did say, hey,
Speaker 4: do you listen to anything while you're doing this, And
Speaker 4: I said no, I think it'll freak me out. But
Speaker 4: I was imagining listening to like Bob Dylan or something,
Speaker 4: and so I was like, no, there are Spravado playlists.
Speaker 4: There are Ketemy playlists on Spotify. So that made it
Speaker 4: feel like I wasn't gonna die because I was like,
Speaker 4: they can't be making playlists for something that kills you.
Speaker 4: I don't think, yeah, right, right right, And and Johns Hopkins,
Speaker 4: even though Johns Hopkins is probably completely defunded and run
Speaker 4: by you know, Kelly M Conway. Now, it still made
Speaker 4: me feel better that it was a Johns Hopkins playlist.
Speaker 4: I was like, they can't be making playlists for people
Speaker 4: to get killed by. So but then that made me
Speaker 4: think of a million That made me think of all
Speaker 4: kinds of jokes, like I actually, I accidentally listened to
Speaker 4: the Wells Fargo playlist.
Speaker 2: What is the What's is there anything here? We go?
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, it's just a bunch of flute music,
Speaker 4: you know, like wood flutes and stuff, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? Like, yeah, you remember Sam Fear, the magic
Speaker 4: flute guy.
Speaker 2: Nope, they used to.
Speaker 4: Advertises his stuff on TV in the eighties nineties nineties.
Speaker 4: Zam Fear was a guy who was a big celebrity
Speaker 4: on nineties late night TV because they sold his wooden
Speaker 4: flute music before you could get like, you know, mood
Speaker 4: music on your phone. So my friend sends me this
Speaker 4: on Instagram while I'm on Kenemy, and it's a tweet.
Speaker 4: This is that vanishingly rare occasion when someone says fun
Speaker 4: fact and then tells you something that is just insanely fun.
Speaker 4: And what he sent me was this WhatsApp that someone
Speaker 4: retweeted and it says fun fact for the day. Carl
Speaker 4: Marx's great great grandson has a park poor YouTube channel
Speaker 4: called exclamation Marks.
Speaker 2: Wow and that's real.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I was, well, I wanted to find out
Speaker 4: if it was real, so I wrote Here's exactly what
Speaker 4: I wrote to my friend. I'm on ketamine. I'm already
Speaker 4: like pretty upset about the term office park. To show
Speaker 4: you where I'm at, like really upset, like this is unacceptable,
Speaker 4: like that kind of upset. And then I said, no
Speaker 4: fucking way, please hold, and then I went looked. I said,
Speaker 4: the world is bonkers. I'm in a recliner on ketamine
Speaker 4: right now in a quote office park. And I just
Speaker 4: watched Carl Marx's great grandson do park cool. And someone commented,
Speaker 4: the floor is capitalism. Oh this cannot be real, and
Speaker 4: then I wrote, and yet dot dot dot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's it. That's my that's my social media.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that was absolutely the fact that I
Speaker 4: watched Karl Marx's great grandson duparkour means that.
Speaker 1: If we don't live in a simulation, were absolutely fun.
Speaker 1: I don't think the simulation could come up with that.
Speaker 1: That's too that's too weird, that's too much.
Speaker 2: That's what is something you think is underrated?
Speaker 6: Oh, non lucrative hobbies.
Speaker 2: Love it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, hugely underrated.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 7: There was an injured baby hummingbird in my backyard last
Speaker 7: week and this I texted this woman who like runs
Speaker 7: a hummingbird sanctuary, and she happened to have a woman
Speaker 7: who volunteers for her that was near my apartment, and
Speaker 7: it was like, I go to her place and it's
Speaker 7: her hot. She has a full time job, but she
Speaker 7: just like rehabilitates little hummingbirds in her house. And it's
Speaker 7: not like she's doing it on the gram. She's not
Speaker 7: doing it. She just really enjoys it.
Speaker 6: It was awesome.
Speaker 2: How is she coming across the all right?
Speaker 1: Sorry, my brand just went to like a dark place
Speaker 1: where it's like she's injuring those fucking hummingbirds. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you find so many injured hummingbirds?
Speaker 6: Can I tell you? I mean the little guy is
Speaker 6: a little barreling through the air like a.
Speaker 1: Snitch, like you know, like I just like I love hummingbirds.
Speaker 1: I notice hummingbirds, and I've never seen an injured one,
Speaker 1: but I mean you found one, So there you go.
Speaker 8: My mind went straight to like like the hummingbird version
Speaker 8: of like a World War One like battle hospital. So
Speaker 8: like a little like hummingbird crush under one arm and
Speaker 8: a teeny tiny hummingbird cigarette out of the end of
Speaker 8: the of course.
Speaker 6: Yeah, flashbacks so many.
Speaker 2: I love hummingbirds so much.
Speaker 1: They're so they just seem to be little like droplets
Speaker 1: of like something operating at a different like time space
Speaker 1: continuum than the rest of us. It's just like that
Speaker 1: thing is moving like a fucking ufo. There's no way remarkable.
Speaker 7: And then you look at the weight of their little
Speaker 7: barrel chests and you go, hell, yeah.
Speaker 2: Why are you so proud.
Speaker 7: This little one? Can I talk about pride? This little one?
Speaker 7: It was like a baby it had fallen from its nest.
Speaker 7: And the way it looked at me when I was
Speaker 7: like holding it was like, hey, let me down. This
Speaker 7: is humiliating, and it was like they're so proud.
Speaker 2: It was crazy. On't so tall? Oh you think you're
Speaker 2: so cool?
Speaker 1: It really was how there's a baby humming bird like.
Speaker 7: Fingertips like bizarrely, it was like about this big like
Speaker 7: like maybe an.
Speaker 2: Instagram Yeah, inter wow, I love this. That is amazing.
Speaker 1: And I do think we need to bury ourselves in
Speaker 1: non lucrative hobbies. I've been talking about the trends in
Speaker 1: mundane like people doing mundane shit just for the sake
Speaker 1: of doing mundane stuff on like TikTok, and like the
Speaker 1: video I keep coming back to is like these people
Speaker 1: who made chocolate chip cookies with but like without using
Speaker 1: their hands. They just used the trash grabber things.
Speaker 6: And see, this is the ill school ship that rules exactly.
Speaker 2: It's just like that.
Speaker 1: I feel like we need that right now, just like
Speaker 1: it cut off from any ideological content and just like
Speaker 1: the stuff that people used to do, and like when
Speaker 1: they stuffed themselves into fucking pham booths and like sat
Speaker 1: on flag poles for days.
Speaker 7: My friends and I, it was before the garage door
Speaker 7: opener sensor was that we'd try and roll under it
Speaker 7: like Indiana jo and yeah, so dangerous, but we spent
Speaker 7: hours to try and roll.
Speaker 1: Under its garage door that way when I was five.
Speaker 8: You're sort of talking about what you want is like
Speaker 8: if there was a way to make a fraternity that
Speaker 8: was not wildly misogynist exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think there are like some things that
Speaker 1: we can take from them, like just pick around the misogyny,
Speaker 1: you know, and there's like a delicious little bites in
Speaker 1: there that you get.
Speaker 6: Those bites are sixteen goldfish. They make you eat on fresh.
Speaker 1: Still that don't still mean to cold fish. But I
Speaker 1: bet there's like some non mean stuff real quick. Just
Speaker 1: speaking of chocolate chip cookies.
Speaker 8: I just want to tell you, guys about a product
Speaker 8: that I had recently. I visited my sister in Atlanta
Speaker 8: and she had cinnamon chips, which was I mean that's
Speaker 8: ultimately it was cocoa, butter, sugar and cinnamon. But they
Speaker 8: were the best thing I've ever had in a pancake.
Speaker 2: Holy fuck? Oh pancake? Yeah good.
Speaker 7: Can I tell you I am actually a chip huge
Speaker 7: on a cinnamon chip because to me, it is the
Speaker 7: epitome of a nineties coffee house.
Speaker 6: Is a cinnamon chips?
Speaker 1: Gone?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I had never heard of it? Is this the
Speaker 2: thing that you knew about? I was shocked to see.
Speaker 7: It's been forgotten. It's like all a butterscotch. It's it's
Speaker 7: been But it was like, I think all the Barnes
Speaker 7: and Nobles Starbucks hats still have some.
Speaker 2: Okay, but it's.
Speaker 6: It's not popular and it's good.
Speaker 2: It's really good. It is mostly cocoa oil or palm
Speaker 2: oil or whatever.
Speaker 6: But oh yeah, whatever, no problem.
Speaker 2: What is something more that you think is overrated?
Speaker 6: Keeping in touch.
Speaker 2: Your mouth? This is I am so mad at this.
Speaker 2: I hate it too.
Speaker 7: It's also so overrated because to me, like texting, keeping
Speaker 7: in touch with this certain like there isn't depth to it,
Speaker 7: and so it kind of feels like a performance, like.
Speaker 6: What's up, you're doing good? Okay, well, was get in chuch?
Speaker 6: But I go.
Speaker 7: I love Yeah, you love me. I'll see you when
Speaker 7: I see you. If you need me reach out, I'll
Speaker 7: reach out if I need you. Yeah, the whole keeping it. No,
Speaker 7: I'm not gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it like.
Speaker 1: A good you know, leave leave it for like an
Speaker 1: annual nice conversation to a Hey, just checking in a
Speaker 1: right good, like you already know what you want the
Speaker 1: answer to be as you're checking in, and you want
Speaker 1: it to be short.
Speaker 6: And it's specific.
Speaker 7: It's not like emotional check it's it's specifically the check
Speaker 7: in because you feel like you should because you care
Speaker 7: about that person.
Speaker 6: So you're giving that signal and it's like, no, cut
Speaker 6: them out. They know you love them.
Speaker 2: They should know if they love you, they would know.
Speaker 6: Okay, I love for getting a little toxic.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Actually it's your fault that I don't check in on you.
Speaker 8: My my core group of friends from high school, at
Speaker 8: least four of us have like birthdays a week apart,
Speaker 8: and by the time it's time to text the fourth person.
Speaker 8: It's very tiresome because I am out of shit to say,
Speaker 8: and we have already talked three times.
Speaker 7: He's been dealing with this since he was fourteen. That's
Speaker 7: so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the last last dude on the block.
Speaker 8: It's like I already said happy birthday to early twice
Speaker 8: to get the right.
Speaker 2: All right, let's take a quick break. We'll come back.
Speaker 9: We'll talk about real IDs.
Speaker 2: And we're back. We're back. We're back. God, we're sober.
Speaker 2: We're back at ninety. We're back to nineteen fifty five.
Speaker 2: The Birdman Alcatraz is there. The biggest creeps in America
Speaker 2: are locked up on the rock. But yeah, Trump made
Speaker 2: just another ASONI announcement that probably won't happen because it's
Speaker 2: so stupid and unrealistic, But anyway, here it goes. He
Speaker 2: wants to reopen Alcatraz, the federal penitentiary that closed in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three. On Sunday Night on Truth, he announced quote,
Speaker 2: rebuild and open Alcatraz. For too long, America has been
Speaker 2: plagued by vicious, violent, and repeat criminal offenders, the dregs
Speaker 2: of society who will never contribute anything other than misery
Speaker 2: and suffering. When we were more when we were more
Speaker 2: serious nation, in times past, we did not hesitate to
Speaker 2: lock up the most dangerous criminals and keep them far
Speaker 2: away from anyone they could harm. That's the way it's
Speaker 2: supposed to be.
Speaker 1: No longer will we tolerate right outside of San Francisco, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Exactly, No longer will we tolerate these serial offenders who
Speaker 2: spread filth, bloodshed and mayhem. Now he's like, I am
Speaker 2: now ordering the Department of Justice Bureau of Prisons to
Speaker 2: reopen and substantially enlarge and rebuild Alcatraz to how's America's
Speaker 2: most ruthless and violent offenders enlarge in island? Mm hmm, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: I feel I feel like there's some Freudian context there.
Speaker 2: Make it bigger.
Speaker 1: I think I feel like it's a lot bigger, bigger,
Speaker 1: and like like the girth of the island should be
Speaker 1: big and it should go higher, it should.
Speaker 2: Be longer than it should be girthy. Yes, that's the
Speaker 2: hands of just this need to be bigger right xact?
Speaker 2: Yeah truly, And everyone's like, what the fuck is he
Speaker 2: talking about? Large and large? Why are you looking, sir?
Speaker 2: Have you all ever been to Alcatraz. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: fourth grade.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's it's like it's not in good shape, right, No.
Speaker 2: It's fucking chrump. I remember we were I remember being
Speaker 2: bummed out as a kid because it was so fucked
Speaker 2: up looking like I thought you'd be like, oh ship
Speaker 2: bro a because this I went before the rock came out,
Speaker 2: and you know, you just had all these like ideas
Speaker 2: of your like, oh, man, like do people get eaten
Speaker 2: by sharks who try and get off? It's like it's
Speaker 2: all fun and then it's just like the most run
Speaker 2: down federal concrete prison you've ever seen. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 2: stuff dripping graffiti on the wall.
Speaker 1: That's how we'll show them that they may Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say it's gonna cost a lot of
Speaker 3: money to upgrade, but maybe maybe the point is not
Speaker 3: too upgrade it.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of money now that nobody is
Speaker 1: spending any money on toys because we can't at them and.
Speaker 2: We're not living in a thirty dollars economy anymore. But
Speaker 2: I mean again, you're like, what prompted this? Just from
Speaker 2: reading that text, it sounds like a mix of frustration
Speaker 2: at judges for enforcing the Constitution and being like, yeah,
Speaker 2: due process is at a minimum here or what the
Speaker 2: fuck are you thinking? And like you can't just you do.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do the process you do press Okay,
Speaker 2: that's fine, and you can say that, sir, but the
Speaker 2: my order still stands. You cannot just disappear people to
Speaker 2: El Salvador, Like this is some kind of fucking like
Speaker 2: realbe you heard about.
Speaker 1: The like terrifying prisons in El Salvador, is like we
Speaker 1: need one of those, one of those going up here.
Speaker 2: Well, by comparison, it makes acca dress look good. I
Speaker 2: think maybe right, yeah, maybe, I mean, but I think,
Speaker 2: you know, like the other part is like the polls
Speaker 2: are shifting in all the wrong directions still, like there's
Speaker 2: another pole, like the holes came out, Yeah, like it's
Speaker 2: all going down. It's he's losing his grip on reality
Speaker 2: and his bass. And I think, especially with the economy
Speaker 2: immigration being like he's scoring particularly low marks. I think
Speaker 2: reminding people that they live in some kind of fucked
Speaker 2: up combination between Thunderdome and the rock like he's hoping
Speaker 2: to like get people back in their back in touch
Speaker 2: with their cruel side again because he was like when
Speaker 2: we were more serious, we didn't hesitate to lock up
Speaker 2: the most Like, you know, he's he's clearly trying to
Speaker 2: evoke that, and I guess using the thought of Alcatraz
Speaker 2: to get people excited. But again, this is like something
Speaker 2: that most people don't even remember operating, and more people
Speaker 2: remember The Rock the movie. Yeah, like he's aware of
Speaker 2: like the average of what everybody thinks, you know.
Speaker 1: Like I just feel like he's tapped into like whatever
Speaker 1: version of reality was on television in the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 1: and like that's what he's drawing on. And so like
Speaker 1: the Rock is most famous prison, and he's like, and
Speaker 1: it's they say it's impossible to escape because the water
Speaker 1: is full of sharks. And it's like, meanwhile, if you're
Speaker 1: like paying attention now, like they people they do like
Speaker 1: recreational swims out to the Rock and bag.
Speaker 2: It's a thing that people do for fun.
Speaker 3: Maybe he's gonna propose Nicholas Cage be our next national agree.
Speaker 2: I think we Later on he said, and now I
Speaker 2: am calling on Brigadier General Francis X Hummel to be
Speaker 2: in charge. And someone told him that was Ed Harris's
Speaker 2: character in The Rock. And had a harrow, violent outburst
Speaker 2: when he said I want general humble now. But yeah,
Speaker 2: and like to your point, Jack, it does feel like
Speaker 2: someone left TNT on the TV on all weekend near Trump,
Speaker 2: and he may be caught an hour of the rock.
Speaker 2: But it turns out someone on Blue Sky may have
Speaker 2: an even more accurate prediction here as to what happened.
Speaker 2: Someone said last night on WPBT and Palm Beach, they
Speaker 2: broadcast the nineteen seventy nine Clint Eastwood film Escaped from Alcatraz.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Trump was in Palm Beach that night.
Speaker 1: Oh and that's that's like he's never far into television
Speaker 1: any time.
Speaker 2: So that's definitely what happens. Definitely, this is a good one.
Speaker 2: They say, no one could escape.
Speaker 3: Well, he's really good at distractions, right, like, uh, you
Speaker 3: know the pull, like you said, the pultar shifting in
Speaker 3: the right direction for him. People are starting to get
Speaker 3: all this bad news, so he's like, what can I
Speaker 3: say that we'll get people to talk about something else.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's like funny because it's like that's his
Speaker 2: instinct and he doesn't even like, oh, that's actually pretty good.
Speaker 2: Now they're not talking about all the ways the economy
Speaker 2: is falling apart, and how shipments have declined and all
Speaker 2: these other myriad of problems. But also he gets to
Speaker 2: say a pretend thing that feels really nice in his brain.
Speaker 2: I mean, like everything he like thinks up has some
Speaker 2: direct connection to pop culture or film because a he
Speaker 2: can't read, so no new ideas are entering his brain
Speaker 2: like that. But then also, like you you couple that
Speaker 2: up with the fact that like you know, remember he's
Speaker 2: like obsessed with the gold in Fort Knox too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just it's truly like a just icon based
Speaker 1: view of the world where there's like, yeah, one famous prison,
Speaker 1: one famous like bank, or like gold vault, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know it also the stuff that was around and
Speaker 1: popular in the seventies when he was like coming of age,
Speaker 1: you know, wasn't there a Nicholas Cage will be about
Speaker 1: Fort Knox maybe, uh the Constitution. Also he loves to
Speaker 1: talk about the Constitution, that Nicholas Cage did steal the Constitution.
Speaker 2: I mean also then and at the end of the
Speaker 2: rock that you know, they claim to see how JFK
Speaker 2: was killed if you remember on that micro he is
Speaker 2: obsessed with.
Speaker 1: Some could argue that he became president just so you
Speaker 1: could find out that.
Speaker 2: Get me to say, maybe that's why he has because
Speaker 2: I think he has the copy of the Constitution or
Speaker 2: maybe it's the Declaration of He has one of those
Speaker 2: seminole founding documents in.
Speaker 1: His behind him yeah, behind his death. Yeah, and he's like,
Speaker 1: baby's like pretty cool.
Speaker 10: Nicolas Cage won't be able to get his little fucking
Speaker 10: Coppola hands on it. You know, he's an baby Relas Cage.
Speaker 10: His whole career is just him saying he's obsessed with
Speaker 10: him being a Coppola too, just like a weird fact.
Speaker 2: He's like, he's not.
Speaker 10: That's not his real last name. It's Francis Ford Coppola's
Speaker 10: nephew RFK Junior. How are we going to approach the
Speaker 10: face off question? I want to take his face and
Speaker 10: put it on mine.
Speaker 2: Which is funny. Maybe Trump could ask his friend Secretary
Speaker 2: Brainworm why his daddy shut the place down in nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty two when RFK was the attorney general. Big mistake
Speaker 2: because again for people don't realize, like why Alcatraz shut down.
Speaker 2: It cost way too much to operate since it was
Speaker 2: on a fucking island and everything there wasn't even fresh water,
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, they had to bring tankers of like
Speaker 2: million gallons of time just to like replenish the fresh
Speaker 2: water supply on Alcatraz. It was also falling apart to
Speaker 2: the point, and they're like it's just going to get
Speaker 2: easier to escape, like people are literally just like scraping
Speaker 2: away at the wall and swimming away like this isn't
Speaker 2: this isn't going to work. And also it can only
Speaker 2: it could only hold three hundred and thirty six inmates.
Speaker 2: Is that real?
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely worth whatever a billion dollar project that he's
Speaker 1: going to be putting together to try.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're saying, like a half billion will probably do.
Speaker 2: And you can only put people who don't know how
Speaker 2: to swim because otherwise right right.
Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah exactly, I mean, and it's basically like shark
Speaker 1: infested water, which like we now know like sharks don't
Speaker 1: want to eat us, so like you just don't just
Speaker 1: don't get eaten by a Shark's pretty easy to just
Speaker 1: swim across the thing and not get eaten by sure.
Speaker 3: Plus, or you could just keep the prisoners fed and
Speaker 3: then they can't swim until after thirty minutes exactly.
Speaker 2: You don't want to swim after that, you just date
Speaker 2: you don't want Yeah, you can't get any We feed
Speaker 2: them every thirty minutes to prevent them from swimming away.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, just coming all kinds of myths.
Speaker 1: Now it feels like the next thing he's going to
Speaker 1: attack is quicksand he's going to be like, we need
Speaker 1: to end quicksand in the United States. Like it feels
Speaker 1: like it's on the same level of like what a
Speaker 1: child in the nineteen seventies thought was like.
Speaker 2: Cool and scary and a big deal. I was wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was wrong about the border wall. We actually need
Speaker 2: to have a border of quicksand there we go. No
Speaker 2: one will be able to pass. That's my new idea.
Speaker 2: I'm again like he's at this rate, he should be
Speaker 2: talking about storming Area fifty one pretty soon. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: unless that's the key. Doesn't he have a doesn't he
Speaker 2: have the keys to it? I think he just hasn't
Speaker 2: seen a movie. I think he needs somebody's to show
Speaker 2: him Independence Day so he can realize what kind of
Speaker 2: treasures they got locked up in there. Just checked out
Speaker 2: this new movie Independence Day. All right, let's talk. Let's talk.
Speaker 1: Ai real quick, because this is something that I think
Speaker 1: ties into some of the hypnotism stuff that you covering
Speaker 1: your hypnotism episode. But basically I always remark on like
Speaker 1: how our modern technology seems designed to rob us of
Speaker 1: free will, and like how it's so much depressing when
Speaker 1: you like look around and just everybody's glued to their
Speaker 1: phone in just like on a college campus or in
Speaker 1: a cafeteria, just nobody's like looking at each other or interacting.
Speaker 2: Everybody's just a feeling table every night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like fifteen oh, no, like fifteen years ago. If
Speaker 1: you just like transported somebody to this point, they'd be like, well,
Speaker 1: this looks like a fucking dystopia. Like everybody's just glued
Speaker 1: to their phone.
Speaker 2: And it's like the beginning of Sean of the Dead, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it kind of likening our phones used to zombiism. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So when on last week's episode with doctor Carrie mcnernie,
Speaker 2: you you had asked, like, is this AI going to
Speaker 2: be used to fuck with us and more specifically like
Speaker 2: market to us? Right, because we're giving it all kinds
Speaker 2: of information about like what we like, what we want,
Speaker 2: how we want it, how to get there, how we
Speaker 2: even problem solve. It's so much more specific than like
Speaker 2: I spent ten minutes on this website. It's more like
Speaker 2: this person wants to figure out how they can increase
Speaker 2: their vertical jump at the age of forty. And now
Speaker 2: you know a lot about me and what my beliefs
Speaker 2: are around my physical reality, and I could probably be
Speaker 2: marketed supplements or something like that.
Speaker 1: And it knows how you talk, and therefore it knows
Speaker 1: how to talk back to you, which I guess is
Speaker 1: actually very successful or very important factor when it comes
Speaker 1: to like teaching people, like how to manipulate people is
Speaker 1: basically like if you can talk to them using some
Speaker 1: of the same kind of language and like it's like
Speaker 1: mirror field of ideas that they have, then yeah, like
Speaker 1: that these are the things that they're excited about.
Speaker 2: That a lot of the people who work in AI.
Speaker 1: Like so doctor Carrie like reached back out and was like, hey,
Speaker 1: you should check these articles out. Like that was a
Speaker 1: really good question. And the art articles are terrifying. One
Speaker 1: is like a MIT like long academic paper that Jorge,
Speaker 1: You'd probably be better at deciphering than I would. But
Speaker 1: it's this Forbes article is interesting because it kind of
Speaker 1: presents it as like here's an exciting wing. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: as they put it, doing their best to hide their boner.
Speaker 1: AI assistance could start manipulating you into making decisions and
Speaker 1: then selling your plans to the highest bidder before you've
Speaker 1: even consciously made your mind up. AI agents, from chatbot
Speaker 1: assistants to digital tutors and girlfriends, could exploit the access
Speaker 1: that they have to our psychological and behavioral data and
Speaker 1: manipulate our responses by mimicking personalities and anticipating desired responses.
Speaker 1: The fact that they even have the word manipulate, it's
Speaker 1: like the fusing. Like all of these technologies that I
Speaker 1: think the social media like feeds and like the algorith
Speaker 1: that they use, I think people just like took them
Speaker 1: at face value of like it's going to show me
Speaker 1: pictures that I want to see, and people weren't like
Speaker 1: And they're working with the people who designed addictive gambling
Speaker 1: games to like figure out how to make it so
Speaker 1: that you never want to stop and like can't stop
Speaker 1: looking or interacting with the thing. So it's troubling, and
Speaker 1: it's like there's all sorts of really sophisticated ways that
Speaker 1: they're you know, manipulating or convincing or doing all these things.
Speaker 1: And I'm just curious Orge kind of as a former
Speaker 1: roboticist and somebody who's you know, recently done deep dives
Speaker 1: into things like hypnotism and stuff like that, Like, how
Speaker 1: do you think about this sort of thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think it kind of goes back to
Speaker 3: even the nineteen nineties. You know, what made Google so
Speaker 3: revolutionary and special was that it was a good search engine,
Speaker 3: but it was good at giving you ads that it
Speaker 3: thought that you wanted to see, right, And so I
Speaker 3: think part of this human humans kind of want that,
Speaker 3: you know, like we don't want to be shown as
Speaker 3: for things we don't would never buy or never want
Speaker 3: to see, right, We want to be shown as it
Speaker 3: kind of help us. And in fact, if you look
Speaker 3: at research into like happiness, like what makes people happy
Speaker 3: at some point, like having too many choices in your
Speaker 3: life makes you unhappy, right, Yeah, in a way, like
Speaker 3: we kind of need help a little bit just helping
Speaker 3: us make decisions, and something that maybe helps you narrow
Speaker 3: your choices down can make you a little bit happier.
Speaker 3: But as you said, you know, humans have a long
Speaker 3: history of manipulating others using whatever tools are available to
Speaker 3: manipulate others. And so yeah, you can definitely imagine that
Speaker 3: being used to like influence what you buy, what you
Speaker 3: what you're into. And what I learned from hypnotism looking
Speaker 3: into hypnotism for one of our episodes was and I
Speaker 3: actually got hypnotized in the episodes. We can talk a
Speaker 3: little bit about that if you like.
Speaker 2: Are you still under by the way, right? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm still hopping. That's why I do the show. I'm
Speaker 2: still hopping on one leg.
Speaker 3: Is that you know, at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: you have a subconscious you know, then people can mess with,
Speaker 3: people can try to influence, but at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, it's still your choice on things. You know,
Speaker 3: you're the one who's still give on things. You're the
Speaker 3: one who's making all of these options. And so yeah,
Speaker 3: there's totally the potential to influence people in a bad way,
Speaker 3: in a good way, but hopefully people still exercise their
Speaker 3: free will, yeah.
Speaker 2: Or understand I think very least people need to understand
Speaker 2: that their free will is under attack. I think that's
Speaker 2: the difference is that there's a lot of these passive
Speaker 2: ways that seemingly are like well, that's crazy Instagram knows
Speaker 2: like what I want to buy, like every time, like
Speaker 2: I'm just buying stuff off there and I agree. Like
Speaker 2: there's sometimes I'm like, oh shit, this is actually something
Speaker 2: I'm really interested in and I'm glad I found out
Speaker 2: about other times like who do you think I am?
Speaker 2: And why would I want this? But I think understanding
Speaker 2: how I think, really understanding how the people like From
Speaker 2: this MIT paper, like this is really chilling right from
Speaker 2: this MIT paper says quote, we survey recent efforts by
Speaker 2: tech executives to position the capture, manipulation, and commodification of
Speaker 2: human intentionality as a lucrative parallel to and viable extension
Speaker 2: of the now dominant attention economy, which has bent consumer, civic,
Speaker 2: and media norms around users finite attention span since the
Speaker 2: nineteen nineties. We call this follow on the intention economy
Speaker 2: of like to understand it's like, yes, we have our
Speaker 2: free will, but also know that there are people that
Speaker 2: are at these levers that can absolutely have an effect
Speaker 2: on what we perceive to be like the decisions we're
Speaker 2: making independently. And I think that's the part I think
Speaker 2: to get in touch with a little more because I
Speaker 2: think as long as you know that that that's better
Speaker 2: than like talking to like one of my older parents
Speaker 2: who has known dude. My mom showed me this AI
Speaker 2: slop video and she's like, why would this giraffe do this?
Speaker 2: And I was like, Mom, no, like if it felt
Speaker 2: like I was watching her turn into like a smith
Speaker 2: or something like with her red.
Speaker 7: I say why, I'm like.
Speaker 2: It's bullshit, let it go. Yeah. But the second I
Speaker 2: told her like all these things just start up, She's like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, I didn't. She's like, it's the first time
Speaker 2: I saw anything like this. But now this makes sense
Speaker 2: because other people I know will talk about things like this.
Speaker 2: I think we have to at least have that attention
Speaker 2: on it to help safeguard.
Speaker 3: There's definitely like a line right where you know, if
Speaker 3: you're paying for an AI to help you and it
Speaker 3: actually has your best interests in mind and really wants
Speaker 3: to give you something that you might like, then I
Speaker 3: think that can be helpful. But if you or if
Speaker 3: they don't tell you that they're also taking money from
Speaker 3: an advertiser to try to feed you these things, and
Speaker 3: that's where it gets really sketched.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or a political campaign or candidate or party. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's all like that's the thing is like, as these
Speaker 2: two get developed, like very quickly, a fork is in
Speaker 2: the road where it's like do you do the thing
Speaker 2: that you do right by human beings or do you
Speaker 2: do the thing that you have a very lucrative party
Speaker 2: trick you can sell companies.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a metaphor that a lot of people
Speaker 1: use that has I've always used because I think, without
Speaker 1: realizing it, it gives me hope and like comfort, which
Speaker 1: is like in a few years, like people are going
Speaker 1: to look back on everybody having like kids all having
Speaker 1: screens and like everybody just like being on their screens
Speaker 1: at all times of the day, the way we look
Speaker 1: back on like the nineteen fifties and sixties and everybody smoking,
Speaker 1: and that I think gives me comfort because it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but then we got over that. You know, we've realized
Speaker 1: that that was bad for us and we stopped doing it.
Speaker 1: But like in order to make smoking illegal, like that
Speaker 1: was a multi decade like battle where we were like no,
Speaker 1: the like look at these charts, like it's the science inarguable,
Speaker 1: Like it is literally like there's a smoking gun here,
Speaker 1: Like this is you are being killed by these cigarettes,
Speaker 1: and like even then, just the forces of like capital
Speaker 1: that we're behind smoking we're just like we're still wait,
Speaker 1: we're still holding a wait and see position on Errand
Speaker 1: I just I don't think we're going to get that
Speaker 1: smoking gun with phones, like I think because it's more
Speaker 1: of a like spiritual thing, you know, it's more of
Speaker 1: a phenomenological like I don't know, like if you asked
Speaker 1: yourself ten years ago, if you showed yourself a video
Speaker 1: of like what your family dinner looks like today, like
Speaker 1: where everybody's just on their phones and not looking at
Speaker 1: each other, and like there are ads that like make
Speaker 1: fun of the idea of like trying to have a
Speaker 1: family dinner without phones like that. That's one of the
Speaker 1: ads that keeps running in the NBA playoffs is like
Speaker 1: people being like, let's just put our phones away real
Speaker 1: quick and then have a conversation.
Speaker 2: And then somebody says.
Speaker 1: Something really boring and they're like, Okay, back to phones,
Speaker 1: back to phone, Like it's a fucking bummer. Like, but
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's gonna be enough to make
Speaker 1: it like a smoking gun where we like get rid
Speaker 1: of the technology.
Speaker 3: That's a great analogy though with smoking. Maybe maybe need
Speaker 3: to start with restaurants. You know, my restaurants need to
Speaker 3: have like a no phone.
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like that would be trendy, but
Speaker 1: it would never like take over, like the Surgeon General
Speaker 1: is never going to.
Speaker 2: Be like you must. Maybe it happened where they're like
Speaker 2: there was a this guy, the sushi chef Nozawa, who
Speaker 2: if you've heard of the sugarfish like restaurant chain, it's
Speaker 2: comes from this guy in Nozawa. And when he like
Speaker 2: he started off with a small sushi shop on Ventura
Speaker 2: Blevard in the valley, and when cell phones became a
Speaker 2: thing because a ton of studio people would go in there,
Speaker 2: he had a no cell phone pot Like he would
Speaker 2: throw fucking people out mid meal for picking up a
Speaker 2: phone call. And he became legendary. But then it was
Speaker 2: like then very quickly he I gave up. He's like,
Speaker 2: I can't, I can't battle every he gave up. Oh no, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean because I think once you throw out a
Speaker 2: few studio executives, probably it becomes bad for business exactly.
Speaker 1: And like I mean think about like this is phones
Speaker 1: are going to be or you know ai assistants are
Speaker 1: going to be how like all business is conducted, so
Speaker 1: I'm assuming also will be seen as bad for business
Speaker 1: to institute laws Like I just think it's going to
Speaker 1: be on us to make these decisions to like, you know,
Speaker 1: live with free will or not. And I think like
Speaker 1: to the you know, one of the key takeaways from
Speaker 1: your hypnotism episode is like, you can't be hypnotized into
Speaker 1: doing something you don't want to do. But I also
Speaker 1: to the to the point that you just raised, like,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people will want the AI
Speaker 1: assistant to just like be like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I got a lot going on, Like you just take
Speaker 1: it from here.
Speaker 3: Whatever, show me something that I'm gonna it's gonna relax me.
Speaker 3: But I think where it gets tricky is kind of
Speaker 3: the same sho economical part, right, Yeah, people people who
Speaker 3: can afford it will pay for the like the clean, neutral,
Speaker 3: nice version of AI. But people who can afford it
Speaker 3: will have to you.
Speaker 2: Know, add supported version and add.
Speaker 3: Hypnotize you know, add subliminal messages version. But because that's
Speaker 3: what they can afford.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's very I mean, like I'm
Speaker 2: also like from a scientific perspective, do you ever worry
Speaker 2: about like you you hear a lot about like language
Speaker 2: hegemony and research and how like the English language dominates
Speaker 2: a lot of scientific research and as a result, it
Speaker 2: causes research and other language to languages to not get
Speaker 2: as much attention as maybe it could be. Or also
Speaker 2: other people have pointed out that it's like if everyone
Speaker 2: thinks in the same language, certain mistakes can happen because
Speaker 2: you're using everyone's sort of using the same language linguistic
Speaker 2: pathways to arrive at a solution, whereas like varied forms
Speaker 2: of languages have different sort of pathways to solve a
Speaker 2: problem just based on how the language is structured. I
Speaker 2: wonder too, if, like with the proliferation of people using
Speaker 2: AI more and more, if that is just now another
Speaker 2: layer of vulnerability where there's like a version where people
Speaker 2: aren't giving it the same kind of vetting or analysis
Speaker 2: as they would because they're presuming it to be completely correct.
Speaker 2: And then does that lead to some kind of science
Speaker 2: What is this going to do for?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is this going to do for like outside
Speaker 1: the box thinking? When you have a thing doing your
Speaker 1: thinking for you that is just drawing on all previous
Speaker 1: thoughts yeah, and remixing it. It's like, yes, we're not
Speaker 1: going to have a lot of cool new ideas coming through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: And you know, for sure like scientists definitely talk about,
Speaker 3: you know, having a common language. You know, you kind
Speaker 3: of need that in order to exchange ideas about science.
Speaker 3: Kind of hard to do it through translator, so that
Speaker 3: a little bit of that is inevitable. But you know,
Speaker 3: I always take comfort in the fact that if you
Speaker 3: ever talk to a scientists or any scientists, their dream
Speaker 3: is to be like the one person who's contrariant who turns.
Speaker 2: Out to be right, you know, to be the person
Speaker 2: who's revolutionary big of science, the scientific Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone wants to be the person who up ends
Speaker 3: the field or everyone wants to be the person who
Speaker 3: proves everyone. So my feeling is like hopefully and this
Speaker 3: will continue, is that science is kind of set up
Speaker 3: so that, you know, people are always questioning the assumptions
Speaker 3: that aren't being made and the results that are being
Speaker 3: that come out. Uh So that's my hope in the
Speaker 3: parents that that continues.
Speaker 1: They're doing that from China, they will not be doing
Speaker 1: it from the United States.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I think that also I definitely agree
Speaker 2: with that because I feel like the people that have
Speaker 2: been most vocal about questioning AI have been scientists and
Speaker 2: researchers because they're also just sort of like, well, it
Speaker 2: does these things, fine, let's really talk about everything, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess I never think about like, yeah much in
Speaker 2: the same Yeah, people want like that's that's the hw
Speaker 2: you would chase as a researcher or a scientist. It's
Speaker 2: like they fucking overlook this, yeah right right right, So yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe we do have something in built there and the
Speaker 2: sciences that will help. How annoying scientists are?
Speaker 3: Yeah, people say there's three kinds of scientists, the scientist
Speaker 3: who uh first poses a question, and the scientist who
Speaker 3: answers the question, and then everyone in between, who nobody
Speaker 3: ever remembers.
Speaker 2: Right, damn damn. Now watch we peel this banana from
Speaker 2: the tip end. Have you seen somebody open a banana
Speaker 2: from the tip end? Yeah? Yeah, I've been the person
Speaker 2: who thought that was that's the way to do it,
Speaker 2: the better way to do it, that's the way to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 3: It's actually easier. Yeah, well there's a trade. There is
Speaker 3: a trade about we can't get into it.
Speaker 2: Wait, hold on no, and I need to know because
Speaker 2: we're just talking about contrarians. And I saw somebody's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: let me open this banana for your kid. I said,
Speaker 2: what the fuck are you doing it? From that in front?
Speaker 2: There's there's answer banana. Right, there's a point that stems
Speaker 2: that connects to the rest of the planet. That that's
Speaker 2: not the tail, right that you would call the other
Speaker 2: end the tail where it ends. Oh wait, I'm calling
Speaker 2: it from the stem. I open it from the stem end.
Speaker 3: Ye right, Yeah, that's how I've always done it, But
Speaker 3: recently I got shown that trick too of opening it
Speaker 3: from the tip end, and it is easier, especially if
Speaker 3: the banana is not quite ripe, like if it's a
Speaker 3: little green and it's it's kind of hard to open
Speaker 3: it from the step in. Then it's a lot easier
Speaker 3: to just squeeze the tip, uh, and then then it
Speaker 3: just kind of opens up.
Speaker 1: Oh So it changed me when I saw and we're
Speaker 1: about to bring us to our next subject after the break,
Speaker 1: we're seeing a gorilla open a banana where they just
Speaker 1: break it, snap it in half, and then just like
Speaker 1: kind of shoot it out.
Speaker 2: That might be easier. Yeah, you'll they just half. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you break it, and they break pretty easy. I highly
Speaker 2: recommend it. It's a great feeling. I broke. I nearly
Speaker 2: broke my hands trying to break it. Oh no, I'm
Speaker 2: telling you, theserillas, you're not one.
Speaker 3: Hundred banana like Miles roped the banana.
Speaker 2: We need that in a distract him. Let's take a
Speaker 2: quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll come back and talk about the most important scientific
Speaker 1: question of the day. We'll be right back, and we're back,
Speaker 1: and it's shot in Freud a week on. He's like
Speaker 1: Geist every day.
Speaker 2: Every day.
Speaker 1: We like to just take a quick look at how
Speaker 1: things are going for some of the people who jump
Speaker 1: on jumped on the Trump train and expected that it
Speaker 1: was gonna go well for them, despite all evidence that
Speaker 1: everybody who sides with him ends up getting sucked over.
Speaker 2: And yeah, at every level, even the grifters most of
Speaker 2: the time, unless your last name is Trump, because they're
Speaker 2: they're Donald Trump. I think Doju is opening up a
Speaker 2: new social club that's like half a million ahead to
Speaker 2: get in, because again, everything's about access. And so the
Speaker 2: first one hundred days was like this thing. Everyone on
Speaker 2: the right was talking about, how epic to first hundred
Speaker 2: days this ministration would be despite every metric indicating that
Speaker 2: it was a total shit show at the fuck Factory.
Speaker 2: And this was a moment for Trump sycophants to lie
Speaker 2: to his face, as we saw in that cabinet meeting,
Speaker 2: about his greatness, and also a great opportunity for outsiders
Speaker 2: to grift.
Speaker 1: And I would be that cabinet meeting, Chris, did you
Speaker 1: see the cabinet meeting where everybody just sat there trying
Speaker 1: to be like President here the finest human specimen of president.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: I just thought that was what that was like the
Speaker 1: moment for me for whatever reason, where you just like
Speaker 1: entered a new level of surreal fucking you know, dystopia shit,
Speaker 1: that's just like, oh we're we are in a movie
Speaker 1: now like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: It's quite difficult to live, uh and keep your head
Speaker 4: on straight, especially with trying to raise kids. But I
Speaker 4: think everybody you know who's doing it is it's a
Speaker 4: damn hero because I do think that if you're if
Speaker 4: you're and I know people who are taking care of
Speaker 4: their kids and stuff and in the face of all this,
Speaker 4: because it will pass. I don't know if it'll pass.
Speaker 4: With an ice age. I have to wait that long.
Speaker 4: But I mean, this will go away. You know, these
Speaker 4: people will pass away, they will blow away, whatever happens,
Speaker 4: and and then you know, and it's worth hanging in there.
Speaker 4: But it is right now. And there was that New
Speaker 4: Yorker piece, which I wasn't crazy about it, but that
Speaker 4: one did you read? It came out today or yesterday,
Speaker 4: just about like how my brain's finally broken.
Speaker 2: Okay, it was just written.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's it's great. I'm just mad. I'm jealous
Speaker 4: of anybody whos in the New Yorker. But you know,
Speaker 4: it's probably fine. I'm like, she's a pretty good writer.
Speaker 2: It's not that good.
Speaker 4: Oh there's no advice king, but anyway, so I'm mad
Speaker 4: at everybody. But but it's a good article. It's about
Speaker 4: just a list of like a laundry list of what
Speaker 4: people deal with on a regular basis, of deep fakes
Speaker 4: and and just politics and just the endless, endless barrage
Speaker 4: of bad news. And so you don't even remember what
Speaker 4: the bad news was, or what day it is, or
Speaker 4: what time it is or anything. You just are lost
Speaker 4: in your fucking phone and in the internet. And everybody
Speaker 4: is this is probably peak disorientation for any human beings
Speaker 4: ever on Earth. I honestly I think that's true. You
Speaker 4: know what I mean, There's never been. I mean, you
Speaker 4: were dealing with one dinosaur, one guy trying to throw
Speaker 4: a fucking a caveman, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: one guy's trying to hit you with a club, and.
Speaker 2: The maybe is there's no dinosaurs.
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess they didn't co exist. I don't
Speaker 4: know a cheetah whatever. You had two things, but you
Speaker 4: knew they were real.
Speaker 2: There wasn't like a deep faked.
Speaker 1: Up in a tree, not a world where like half
Speaker 1: of what you see as fake.
Speaker 2: The yeah that says by.
Speaker 4: A caveman, a fucking deep fag he jump in a
Speaker 4: damn waterfall. I like that.
Speaker 2: You're like this damn Gia Tolentino. Great thing so far?
Speaker 2: Ohick Marrows?
Speaker 4: All right, Oh well you're probably not as upset as me,
Speaker 4: who doesn't work for the New Yorker, Right right.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, at least you can articulate both of those
Speaker 2: that that that's already sets you apart from ninety nine
Speaker 2: percent of the people out there. But anyway, so this
Speaker 2: grift right because everyone is now everyone is susceptible, like
Speaker 2: you're saying. Two fucking hacks on the right, one guy
Speaker 2: who works for a daily caller, another one who calls
Speaker 2: herself an activist. They decided to team up and really
Speaker 2: cash in on the excitement. The two quote planned to
Speaker 2: host what they described on the event's now deleted website
Speaker 2: as the official Celebration of President Trump's first one hundred
Speaker 2: days at the newly trumpefied Kennedy Center. Tickets for this
Speaker 2: event went from between one hundred dollars and twenty five
Speaker 2: hundred dollars. Keep that in mind. Invitations promised an unforgettable
Speaker 2: evening where quote where quote, luxury meets excitement and I
Speaker 2: don't know what that means. There was also a promise
Speaker 2: of access to individual guests, members of the Trump administration,
Speaker 2: and members of Congress. Set Eight's AI generator Right, Luxury
Speaker 2: meets excitement. I feel it feels. This whole thing feels
Speaker 2: that I generated when you do that, Luxury meets excitement.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what cocaine is. What it is, yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, Like you wear a ball gown while
Speaker 2: screaming racial slurs at full volume and do a little
Speaker 2: blow and you're like, this is the height of love
Speaker 2: and we're a luxury exciting wow, and you can get
Speaker 2: away with it. Isn't that luxurious?
Speaker 4: Unbelievable?
Speaker 2: So the problems began immediately once Trump announced that a
Speaker 2: rally in Michigan would be the event that marked the
Speaker 2: first hundred days. And once that potential big draw just
Speaker 2: went poof, the Kennedy Center canceled the contract with the organizers,
Speaker 2: and it forced the event to move to the equally
Speaker 2: glamorous Arlington, Virginia. Okay and okay, yeah, I mean things
Speaker 2: still good, still pretty good. It's not like geographically not
Speaker 2: that far from Washington, d C. So it's basically the
Speaker 2: president's approving the envy. Yeah, you're there, you're there, you're
Speaker 2: selling access things get This is where things, This is
Speaker 2: where the details get real fucking spicy. So problems multiplied
Speaker 2: from there. McMillan, who's one of the organizers, acknowledged that
Speaker 2: she asked attendees with comped tickets to bring bottles of
Speaker 2: alcohol to fill out the bar, even though the website
Speaker 2: promised quote premium drinks. Another organizer himself asked the husband
Speaker 2: of a photographer who had been hired to shoot the
Speaker 2: event to bring some alcohol as well. Then bring alcohol.
Speaker 2: The man then warned the organizer to call off the
Speaker 2: party before a fire festival style debacle ensued. Quote you're
Speaker 2: charging big money for this thing, and people won't be
Speaker 2: getting what they paid for, the man wrote, according to messages. Later,
Speaker 2: when the photographer realized she wouldn't be paid to shoot
Speaker 2: the party, she canceled the Instagram. The Instagram account under
Speaker 2: one of the organizer's names subsequently sent a message to
Speaker 2: the photographer with the line fuck you whore. Both organizers
Speaker 2: deny that he sent the message, but they won't say
Speaker 2: who did.
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't us, and so who did it? Ah,
Speaker 1: we're not at liberty to say. We're just as bothered
Speaker 1: by it as you are, but we can't say who
Speaker 1: did twenty twenty from our account in.
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty five. Denying something means you did it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, truly.
Speaker 1: It's it is actually just kind of noteworthy that they
Speaker 1: went through the effort of denying it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, and that's when like shit gets
Speaker 2: so but then their defenses of it or what so, Okay,
Speaker 2: the event, the event finally comes and it was I mean,
Speaker 2: was it a success? I guess if you consider the
Speaker 2: fact that it looked like total shit and people call
Speaker 2: the cops on them for not delivering what was promised. Yeah,
Speaker 2: one guess said, quote, there was no VIP, there was
Speaker 2: no red carpet like they promised, Like when I bought
Speaker 2: my ticket, we also said we would be quote in
Speaker 2: the company of high profile guests. I have no idea
Speaker 2: who those would have been, because I didn't see anybody
Speaker 2: high profile. When asked if she had a different explanation
Speaker 2: for the ticket packages right, because tickets were between like
Speaker 2: two hundred and two thousand dollars, Like, what explanation for
Speaker 2: different ticket packages not being what they were advertised, the
Speaker 2: organizer just said no. The website also mimiced the official
Speaker 2: White House website. This is where this is where the
Speaker 2: grift really comes in. And one of the organizers, again
Speaker 2: this woman was asked, isn't that deceptive to like have
Speaker 2: this sort of font, color scheme, everything mimic the official
Speaker 2: White House website where you're calling it the official hundred
Speaker 2: Days party. She says, this is her defense. Quote, if
Speaker 2: a color scheme and font needs somebody to believe although
Speaker 2: there are words on the website, they'd say exactly who
Speaker 2: the host is that this must be the White House
Speaker 2: putting this on. I don't know what to tell that person. Wow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, real, real, real awesome grifters. And can you
Speaker 2: just explain, like what was the different? No? No, okay, I.
Speaker 1: Mean it looked cool, it looked fun. Man, I don't know,
Speaker 1: like you got to kind of be there. It's one
Speaker 1: of those things where you got to be there. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Or it looked tight. I'm sorry. Yeah. This one clip
Speaker 2: from the dance floor is humili This is from so
Speaker 2: the local GOP like outfit in Arlington, Virginia. They started
Speaker 2: posting shit because they're like, this is a grift. Beware
Speaker 2: of these fucking people, Chris, have you ever been to
Speaker 2: a party that looked this fucking sick? I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: play from the top. There's like literally eight people on
Speaker 2: the dance floor. There's a guy with a puppet on
Speaker 2: the ground. There's a US dancing he's not This guy's
Speaker 2: a MAGA hat he's waving around. Looks like a total
Speaker 2: dipshit this I don't know this guy on There's a
Speaker 2: guy on the ground I think doing like a triumph
Speaker 2: type bit. Mm hmmm. Because he's like just holding a puppet,
Speaker 2: but laying down in front of a woman.
Speaker 4: It's all that's the worst looking party you ever saw
Speaker 4: in my life. Yeah really, and you can't party with
Speaker 4: he can't party with a bunch of I mean, that's
Speaker 4: the thing is nobody. It's hard to say, but you know,
Speaker 4: it's like they've reinvented. They wanted to be the popular kids,
Speaker 4: you know, so they're like, the only way they can
Speaker 4: do it is with violence. So that's what they're doing.
Speaker 4: So they've they've gotten to the top of the power structure.
Speaker 4: So now they're the popular brands as far as they're concerned.
Speaker 2: But forced popular kiddom.
Speaker 4: But the kind of trash that they are makes it
Speaker 4: so nobody. They're still not gonna have fun because they
Speaker 4: don't understand that charmless people have to get their shit
Speaker 4: together and become like, I don't know what, you know,
Speaker 4: do some work on themselves. You know. I know it's
Speaker 4: a popular thing to say, but someone like Donald Trump Junior,
Speaker 4: if he wants to have friends that are fun, he's
Speaker 4: gonna have to become a whole different person.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: The kind of people who are gonna come to Donald
Speaker 4: Trump's party are guaranteed to make him sad because he's
Speaker 4: expecting it to be, like he really, you know, he
Speaker 4: hates Robert de Niro, but he would love.
Speaker 2: It if Robert de Niro would come.
Speaker 4: Like, these people are never gonna get what they want,
Speaker 4: which is actually approval from celebrities, like liberal celebrities, and
Speaker 4: they're never gonna get it, so they're stuck with just
Speaker 4: like another guy who thought violence was a way to popular.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they all share the thing where every
Speaker 2: person who like rises up on the like conservative side
Speaker 2: of things, I mean and either side, but like really
Speaker 2: it's really pronounced with the right ring right wingers especially
Speaker 2: who just go, no, it can't be that I'm the
Speaker 2: problem here, right, it's everything else. It's not me, and
Speaker 2: everything else needs.
Speaker 4: To change, Like, yeah, I'm gonna rearrange the world so
Speaker 4: I have a good time, instead of realizing the reason
Speaker 4: I'm not having a good time is because.
Speaker 2: I probably have a ton of trauma. Yeah, yeah, a
Speaker 2: lot I'm working with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, these motherfuckers were not loved. I'm not saying that
Speaker 4: that excuse is anything, because it doesn't because there's lots
Speaker 4: of unloved people who who.
Speaker 2: Oh fucking love.
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