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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. We have

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Speaker 1: somebody with us today, Miles, who I think will help

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Speaker 1: us shed a little bit of light on this subject.

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Speaker 1: A writer, cartoonist, podcaster, a former roboticist who has written

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Speaker 1: books like We Have No Idea Guide to the Unknown Universe.

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Speaker 1: His new podcast Science Stuff. Answer is answering fascinating questions

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Speaker 1: every episode, like is hypnotism real?

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Speaker 2: Do our pets lie to us? I've been saying this

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Speaker 2: for years, I know. And a bird is a liar?

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Speaker 2: That bird is having fun up there? That's fun.

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Speaker 1: Do you really have to wait thirty minutes to go swimming?

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Speaker 1: Which is going to be my first question for him.

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Speaker 1: Our dear death experience is real. It's a great listen.

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Speaker 1: We're thrilled to have him back. Please welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 3: Or hey, hello, hello friends, Hello dailies, or what do

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Speaker 3: you call your audience.

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Speaker 2: Hikes? Yikes? They call them the status quis actually all right?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't try to slip that by him, just because

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Speaker 1: he's a scientist, Miles, just to wait, he's Miles. Try

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Speaker 1: to pluralize status quo as status quhi and then status's status.

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Speaker 3: Whoa yeah stati quotes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wait that is you're I'm going to no, no, sorry,

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Speaker 2: I was just making statusy yeah, it's it's status is

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Speaker 2: quot So I wasn't. Yeah, I want attorney's general. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was attorney in general. So that's the other ones.

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Speaker 2: I love things like that. Yep, yeah, yeah, well great,

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Speaker 2: or hey, we're thrilled to have you back.

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Speaker 1: Okay, can you just do you really have to wait

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Speaker 1: thirty minutes to go swimming? Because I have a multiple

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Speaker 1: times in my life not waited and then you're dying,

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Speaker 1: I think, but maybe I'll die in my fifties from it,

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Speaker 1: from like stocking up, it's like stop, like a sleep

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Speaker 1: debt that you've built up. It's like too much time

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Speaker 1: swimming after with just fifteen minutes after eating.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, we've all been there.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: You're a kid.

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Speaker 3: You want to go back in the pool, it's hot,

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Speaker 3: you want to play with your friends, but some adults

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Speaker 3: to tell you you can't do it. Yeah, you have

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Speaker 3: to wait thirty minutes. And and for me this was

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Speaker 3: kind of personal because my aunt was a doctor and

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Speaker 3: she would take of swimming all the time. She'd be like, no,

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Speaker 3: in this episode, I really wanted to know the answer. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: which is apparently you don't have to wait thirty minutes

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Speaker 3: after eating to go swimming, but you probably should. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: probably should, but you don't, Like, yeah, you're not gonna die,

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Speaker 3: You're not gonna get cramps. Cramps are not related to

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Speaker 3: what you actually cramps are related to what you don't eat,

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Speaker 3: Like if you don't eat enough electrolytes or sugars, they

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Speaker 3: think maybe that's one cause for cramps, which is super

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Speaker 3: interesting to me that scientists don't know what causes cram Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's like they're one of those taking it up.

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Speaker 2: We don't know. Yeah, seem real.

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Speaker 1: It seems like it's one of those a public health

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Speaker 1: policy question like where it's like, I mean, you could

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Speaker 1: probably get away with it on your own, but like

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Speaker 1: as a public pool policy, if you don't want people

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Speaker 1: throwing up in your pool or you know, cramping in

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Speaker 1: a giant pool, then like it's probably good policy to

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Speaker 1: have for a whole ass public pool, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's probably just recommended just because you know,

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Speaker 3: you're you're kind of flat when you're swimming, so your

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Speaker 2: Oh it's like the zero gravity stuff that space. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And also like your body time to digest, you know.

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Speaker 2: Right, right right hard disagree on that one where I

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Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah, I've taken a bite of pizza and

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Speaker 2: then immediately done a cannonball with the pizza in your mouth.

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Speaker 2: I probably have done that. Yeah, I come up still

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Speaker 2: chewing it. It comes a little soggy, but you know

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Speaker 2: What kind of pizza was that? And it's a tomato pie? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What is something from your search history that is revealing?

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Speaker 4: Last night I was in katamine therapy and so I'm

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Speaker 4: like sadly, the way I calm myself down when when

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Speaker 4: it's like holding my little mommy.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: I look at Instagram and I'm like, I must still

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's fucking horrific for people. For listeners who haven't

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Speaker 1: listened to the last episode. Keademine therapy is this is

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Speaker 1: actual kedemine therapy, like with medical staff delivering it to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not sitting on a pile of old tires like

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So I have chronic depression. I've had I've had

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Speaker 4: chronic depression, you know, ever since my ceramics teacher said

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Speaker 4: I looked like fifty year old character actor when I

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Speaker 4: was in eighth grade, and I've I started well, I

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Speaker 4: started taking zoll Off at some point in the nineties

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Speaker 4: and then I was still drinking, so I don't know

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Speaker 4: what it was doing, but I was trying to have

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Speaker 4: it both ways.

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Speaker 4: I was like I could drink and also I'm like

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Speaker 4: the doctor's are always like you can't do both, and

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Speaker 4: I was like, watch me, I'm a special you know.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you haven't met ye old character actor. That's

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Speaker 2: all I'm gonna say for the rest of the show,

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Speaker 4: So anyway, like zol off sucks, and as I've gotten older,

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Speaker 4: like it really. I mean, the biggest thing it does

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Speaker 4: is it cuts your sex drive down, which is not

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Speaker 4: might explain why I've been writing all these poems, because

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Speaker 4: I'm like, are you a poet or do you need supplements?

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Speaker 4: So, I think you know, whoever that guy was hung

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Speaker 4: I always get them because throw, yeah, you can't make

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Speaker 4: So I started talking to a therapist again about trying

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Speaker 4: to get off Zoloft, and I just they all kind

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Speaker 4: But they allege that there are some people who don't.

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Speaker 4: well Buttrin, like when I say, I want to get

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Speaker 4: of mania. I start to think I'm like getting better

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Speaker 2: Yes, And I was like, I.

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Speaker 4: Do not listen to the Pink Floyd sound possible so

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Speaker 2: And you may find yourself sipping a Vanilla lay on

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Speaker 4: That's when you finally say enough well buttre and you

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Speaker 4: go back on Zoloft sadly. So anyway, I started taking ketemine.

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Speaker 4: what is called bravado in the in the Nasal spray

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Speaker 4: think it's helping. So I'm gonna make fun of it

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Speaker 4: it's just like kind of like doing ketemine a Jiffy

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Speaker 4: a venture capital model for every business, including Ketemine treatments.

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Speaker 2: So you're not gonna have shuffle through. Yeah, yeah, you

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Speaker 4: Sort of like well intentioned, low paid people trying to

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Speaker 4: I started thinking about that term, you know, for a while,

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Speaker 5: Like even that, I was like, I think you're having

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Speaker 4: Like office park was enough for me to.

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Speaker 1: Like the top three parks number one, amusing the park,

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Speaker 4: So yeah, so I was like I was already like

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Speaker 4: and I think that's helping helping because I realized how

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Speaker 4: found a Johns Hopkins ketamine playlist? Did I tell you

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Speaker 4: that time last time?

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Speaker 2: No? But that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I mean Johns Hopkins is like at the forefront of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's what I said to the Like. Also,

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Speaker 4: I talk politics when I get like high, so it's

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Speaker 2: Is like, oh God, this guy, like here you go

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Speaker 2: about here you go.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's gonna talk about the fucking darkest ship. When

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Speaker 6: Oh, non lucrative hobbies.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, hugely underrated.

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Speaker 1: how do you find so many injured hummingbirds?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, flashbacks so many.

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Speaker 2: Instagram Yeah, inter wow, I love this. That is amazing.

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Speaker 1: And I do think we need to bury ourselves in

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Speaker 6: And see, this is the ill school ship that rules exactly.

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Speaker 6: Those bites are sixteen goldfish. They make you eat on fresh.

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Speaker 7: Can I tell you I am actually a chip huge

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Speaker 7: It's been forgotten. It's like all a butterscotch. It's it's

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Speaker 6: It's not popular and it's good.

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Speaker 2: What is something more that you think is overrated?

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Speaker 6: Keeping in touch.

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Speaker 2: Your mouth? This is I am so mad at this.

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Speaker 6: What's up, you're doing good? Okay, well, was get in chuch?

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Speaker 6: But I go.

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Speaker 7: I love Yeah, you love me. I'll see you when

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Speaker 6: And it's specific.

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Speaker 7: It's not like emotional check it's it's specifically the check

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Speaker 6: So you're giving that signal and it's like, no, cut

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Speaker 2: They should know if they love you, they would know.

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Speaker 2: Actually it's your fault that I don't check in on you.

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Speaker 7: He's been dealing with this since he was fourteen. That's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the last last dude on the block.

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Speaker 8: It's like I already said happy birthday to early twice

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Speaker 9: We'll talk about real IDs.

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Speaker 2: And we're back. We're back. We're back. God, we're sober.

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Speaker 2: We're back at ninety. We're back to nineteen fifty five.

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Speaker 2: The Birdman Alcatraz is there. The biggest creeps in America

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Speaker 2: of society who will never contribute anything other than misery

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00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 2: and suffering. When we were more when we were more

439
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 2: serious nation, in times past, we did not hesitate to

440
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,680
Speaker 2: lock up the most dangerous criminals and keep them far

441
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,959
Speaker 2: away from anyone they could harm. That's the way it's

442
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 2: supposed to be.

443
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: No longer will we tolerate right outside of San Francisco, Yeah.

444
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 2: Exactly, No longer will we tolerate these serial offenders who

445
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 2: spread filth, bloodshed and mayhem. Now he's like, I am

446
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 2: now ordering the Department of Justice Bureau of Prisons to

447
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 2: reopen and substantially enlarge and rebuild Alcatraz to how's America's

448
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 2: most ruthless and violent offenders enlarge in island? Mm hmm, yeah, okay.

449
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 3: I feel I feel like there's some Freudian context there.

450
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 2: Make it bigger.

451
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: I think I feel like it's a lot bigger, bigger,

452
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,439
Speaker 1: and like like the girth of the island should be

453
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 1: big and it should go higher, it should.

454
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 2: Be longer than it should be girthy. Yes, that's the

455
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: hands of just this need to be bigger right xact?

456
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: Yeah truly, And everyone's like, what the fuck is he

457
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 2: talking about? Large and large? Why are you looking, sir?

458
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 2: Have you all ever been to Alcatraz. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,

459
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: fourth grade.

460
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's it's like it's not in good shape, right, No.

461
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: It's fucking chrump. I remember we were I remember being

462
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 2: bummed out as a kid because it was so fucked

463
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: up looking like I thought you'd be like, oh ship

464
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: bro a because this I went before the rock came out,

465
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 2: and you know, you just had all these like ideas

466
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 2: of your like, oh, man, like do people get eaten

467
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 2: by sharks who try and get off? It's like it's

468
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 2: all fun and then it's just like the most run

469
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 2: down federal concrete prison you've ever seen. Yeah, it's like

470
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: stuff dripping graffiti on the wall.

471
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 1: That's how we'll show them that they may Yeah.

472
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 3: I was gonna say it's gonna cost a lot of

473
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 3: money to upgrade, but maybe maybe the point is not

474
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 3: too upgrade it.

475
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: I have a lot of money now that nobody is

476
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 1: spending any money on toys because we can't at them and.

477
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 2: We're not living in a thirty dollars economy anymore. But

478
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 2: I mean again, you're like, what prompted this? Just from

479
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 2: reading that text, it sounds like a mix of frustration

480
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: at judges for enforcing the Constitution and being like, yeah,

481
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: due process is at a minimum here or what the

482
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: fuck are you thinking? And like you can't just you do.

483
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 2: I'm not going to do the process you do press Okay,

484
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,360
Speaker 2: that's fine, and you can say that, sir, but the

485
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: my order still stands. You cannot just disappear people to

486
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 2: El Salvador, Like this is some kind of fucking like

487
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: realbe you heard about.

488
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,959
Speaker 1: The like terrifying prisons in El Salvador, is like we

489
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 1: need one of those, one of those going up here.

490
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: Well, by comparison, it makes acca dress look good. I

491
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: think maybe right, yeah, maybe, I mean, but I think,

492
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 2: you know, like the other part is like the polls

493
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 2: are shifting in all the wrong directions still, like there's

494
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 2: another pole, like the holes came out, Yeah, like it's

495
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 2: all going down. It's he's losing his grip on reality

496
00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: and his bass. And I think, especially with the economy

497
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: immigration being like he's scoring particularly low marks. I think

498
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 2: reminding people that they live in some kind of fucked

499
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 2: up combination between Thunderdome and the rock like he's hoping

500
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: to like get people back in their back in touch

501
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 2: with their cruel side again because he was like when

502
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: we were more serious, we didn't hesitate to lock up

503
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: the most Like, you know, he's he's clearly trying to

504
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: evoke that, and I guess using the thought of Alcatraz

505
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 2: to get people excited. But again, this is like something

506
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: that most people don't even remember operating, and more people

507
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 2: remember The Rock the movie. Yeah, like he's aware of

508
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 2: like the average of what everybody thinks, you know.

509
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 1: Like I just feel like he's tapped into like whatever

510
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: version of reality was on television in the nineteen seventies,

511
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: and like that's what he's drawing on. And so like

512
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 1: the Rock is most famous prison, and he's like, and

513
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: it's they say it's impossible to escape because the water

514
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 1: is full of sharks. And it's like, meanwhile, if you're

515
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: like paying attention now, like they people they do like

516
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: recreational swims out to the Rock and bag.

517
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: It's a thing that people do for fun.

518
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 3: Maybe he's gonna propose Nicholas Cage be our next national agree.

519
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 2: I think we Later on he said, and now I

520
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,119
Speaker 2: am calling on Brigadier General Francis X Hummel to be

521
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: in charge. And someone told him that was Ed Harris's

522
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: character in The Rock. And had a harrow, violent outburst

523
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,360
Speaker 2: when he said I want general humble now. But yeah,

524
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: and like to your point, Jack, it does feel like

525
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 2: someone left TNT on the TV on all weekend near Trump,

526
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 2: and he may be caught an hour of the rock.

527
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: But it turns out someone on Blue Sky may have

528
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: an even more accurate prediction here as to what happened.

529
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 2: Someone said last night on WPBT and Palm Beach, they

530
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 2: broadcast the nineteen seventy nine Clint Eastwood film Escaped from Alcatraz.

531
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Trump was in Palm Beach that night.

532
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: Oh and that's that's like he's never far into television

533
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: any time.

534
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: So that's definitely what happens. Definitely, this is a good one.

535
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: They say, no one could escape.

536
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: Well, he's really good at distractions, right, like, uh, you

537
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: know the pull, like you said, the pultar shifting in

538
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: the right direction for him. People are starting to get

539
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: all this bad news, so he's like, what can I

540
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 3: say that we'll get people to talk about something else.

541
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's like funny because it's like that's his

542
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: instinct and he doesn't even like, oh, that's actually pretty good.

543
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: Now they're not talking about all the ways the economy

544
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 2: is falling apart, and how shipments have declined and all

545
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: these other myriad of problems. But also he gets to

546
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: say a pretend thing that feels really nice in his brain.

547
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 2: I mean, like everything he like thinks up has some

548
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: direct connection to pop culture or film because a he

549
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 2: can't read, so no new ideas are entering his brain

550
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: like that. But then also, like you you couple that

551
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: up with the fact that like you know, remember he's

552
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: like obsessed with the gold in Fort Knox too.

553
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just it's truly like a just icon based

554
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: view of the world where there's like, yeah, one famous prison,

555
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: one famous like bank, or like gold vault, and it's like,

556
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: you know it also the stuff that was around and

557
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: popular in the seventies when he was like coming of age,

558
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, wasn't there a Nicholas Cage will be about

559
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: Fort Knox maybe, uh the Constitution. Also he loves to

560
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 1: talk about the Constitution, that Nicholas Cage did steal the Constitution.

561
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: I mean also then and at the end of the

562
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: rock that you know, they claim to see how JFK

563
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: was killed if you remember on that micro he is

564
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: obsessed with.

565
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: Some could argue that he became president just so you

566
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: could find out that.

567
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: Get me to say, maybe that's why he has because

568
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: I think he has the copy of the Constitution or

569
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: maybe it's the Declaration of He has one of those

570
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: seminole founding documents in.

571
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: His behind him yeah, behind his death. Yeah, and he's like,

572
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: baby's like pretty cool.

573
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 10: Nicolas Cage won't be able to get his little fucking

574
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 10: Coppola hands on it. You know, he's an baby Relas Cage.

575
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 10: His whole career is just him saying he's obsessed with

576
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 10: him being a Coppola too, just like a weird fact.

577
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: He's like, he's not.

578
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 10: That's not his real last name. It's Francis Ford Coppola's

579
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 10: nephew RFK Junior. How are we going to approach the

580
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 10: face off question? I want to take his face and

581
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 10: put it on mine.

582
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: Which is funny. Maybe Trump could ask his friend Secretary

583
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: Brainworm why his daddy shut the place down in nineteen

584
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: sixty two when RFK was the attorney general. Big mistake

585
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: because again for people don't realize, like why Alcatraz shut down.

586
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: It cost way too much to operate since it was

587
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: on a fucking island and everything there wasn't even fresh water,

588
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, they had to bring tankers of like

589
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: million gallons of time just to like replenish the fresh

590
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: water supply on Alcatraz. It was also falling apart to

591
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: the point, and they're like it's just going to get

592
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: easier to escape, like people are literally just like scraping

593
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: away at the wall and swimming away like this isn't

594
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 2: this isn't going to work. And also it can only

595
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,719
Speaker 2: it could only hold three hundred and thirty six inmates.

596
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: Is that real?

597
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: Yes, definitely worth whatever a billion dollar project that he's

598
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: going to be putting together to try.

599
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're saying, like a half billion will probably do.

600
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 2: And you can only put people who don't know how

601
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: to swim because otherwise right right.

602
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah exactly, I mean, and it's basically like shark

603
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: infested water, which like we now know like sharks don't

604
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,239
Speaker 1: want to eat us, so like you just don't just

605
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: don't get eaten by a Shark's pretty easy to just

606
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: swim across the thing and not get eaten by sure.

607
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 3: Plus, or you could just keep the prisoners fed and

608
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 3: then they can't swim until after thirty minutes exactly.

609
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: You don't want to swim after that, you just date

610
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 2: you don't want Yeah, you can't get any We feed

611
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: them every thirty minutes to prevent them from swimming away.

612
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: Oh okay, just coming all kinds of myths.

613
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: Now it feels like the next thing he's going to

614
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: attack is quicksand he's going to be like, we need

615
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: to end quicksand in the United States. Like it feels

616
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: like it's on the same level of like what a

617
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: child in the nineteen seventies thought was like.

618
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: Cool and scary and a big deal. I was wrong. Yeah,

619
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: I was wrong about the border wall. We actually need

620
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: to have a border of quicksand there we go. No

621
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 2: one will be able to pass. That's my new idea.

622
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: I'm again like he's at this rate, he should be

623
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: talking about storming Area fifty one pretty soon. Oh yeah,

624
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: unless that's the key. Doesn't he have a doesn't he

625
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: have the keys to it? I think he just hasn't

626
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: seen a movie. I think he needs somebody's to show

627
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: him Independence Day so he can realize what kind of

628
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: treasures they got locked up in there. Just checked out

629
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: this new movie Independence Day. All right, let's talk. Let's talk.

630
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: Ai real quick, because this is something that I think

631
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: ties into some of the hypnotism stuff that you covering

632
00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: your hypnotism episode. But basically I always remark on like

633
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: how our modern technology seems designed to rob us of

634
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: free will, and like how it's so much depressing when

635
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: you like look around and just everybody's glued to their

636
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: phone in just like on a college campus or in

637
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: a cafeteria, just nobody's like looking at each other or interacting.

638
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: Everybody's just a feeling table every night.

639
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, like fifteen oh, no, like fifteen years ago. If

640
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: you just like transported somebody to this point, they'd be like, well,

641
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: this looks like a fucking dystopia. Like everybody's just glued

642
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: to their phone.

643
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: And it's like the beginning of Sean of the Dead, right, Yeah,

644
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 2: it kind of likening our phones used to zombiism. Yeah.

645
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: So when on last week's episode with doctor Carrie mcnernie,

646
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: you you had asked, like, is this AI going to

647
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: be used to fuck with us and more specifically like

648
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: market to us? Right, because we're giving it all kinds

649
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: of information about like what we like, what we want,

650
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: how we want it, how to get there, how we

651
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: even problem solve. It's so much more specific than like

652
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: I spent ten minutes on this website. It's more like

653
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: this person wants to figure out how they can increase

654
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: their vertical jump at the age of forty. And now

655
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: you know a lot about me and what my beliefs

656
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: are around my physical reality, and I could probably be

657
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: marketed supplements or something like that.

658
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Speaker 1: And it knows how you talk, and therefore it knows

659
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: how to talk back to you, which I guess is

660
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: actually very successful or very important factor when it comes

661
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: to like teaching people, like how to manipulate people is

662
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: basically like if you can talk to them using some

663
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: of the same kind of language and like it's like

664
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: mirror field of ideas that they have, then yeah, like

665
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: that these are the things that they're excited about.

666
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 2: That a lot of the people who work in AI.

667
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: Like so doctor Carrie like reached back out and was like, hey,

668
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: you should check these articles out. Like that was a

669
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: really good question. And the art articles are terrifying. One

670
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: is like a MIT like long academic paper that Jorge,

671
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: You'd probably be better at deciphering than I would. But

672
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 1: it's this Forbes article is interesting because it kind of

673
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: presents it as like here's an exciting wing. Yeah yeah, yeah,

674
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: as they put it, doing their best to hide their boner.

675
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: AI assistance could start manipulating you into making decisions and

676
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: then selling your plans to the highest bidder before you've

677
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: even consciously made your mind up. AI agents, from chatbot

678
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: assistants to digital tutors and girlfriends, could exploit the access

679
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: that they have to our psychological and behavioral data and

680
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: manipulate our responses by mimicking personalities and anticipating desired responses.

681
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: The fact that they even have the word manipulate, it's

682
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: like the fusing. Like all of these technologies that I

683
00:34:56,120 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: think the social media like feeds and like the algorith

684
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: that they use, I think people just like took them

685
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: at face value of like it's going to show me

686
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: pictures that I want to see, and people weren't like

687
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: And they're working with the people who designed addictive gambling

688
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: games to like figure out how to make it so

689
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: that you never want to stop and like can't stop

690
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: looking or interacting with the thing. So it's troubling, and

691
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: it's like there's all sorts of really sophisticated ways that

692
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: they're you know, manipulating or convincing or doing all these things.

693
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: And I'm just curious Orge kind of as a former

694
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: roboticist and somebody who's you know, recently done deep dives

695
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: into things like hypnotism and stuff like that, Like, how

696
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: do you think about this sort of thing?

697
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think it kind of goes back to

698
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: even the nineteen nineties. You know, what made Google so

699
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 3: revolutionary and special was that it was a good search engine,

700
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 3: but it was good at giving you ads that it

701
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: thought that you wanted to see, right, And so I

702
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 3: think part of this human humans kind of want that,

703
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: you know, like we don't want to be shown as

704
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 3: for things we don't would never buy or never want

705
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 3: to see, right, We want to be shown as it

706
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 3: kind of help us. And in fact, if you look

707
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 3: at research into like happiness, like what makes people happy

708
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: at some point, like having too many choices in your

709
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 3: life makes you unhappy, right, Yeah, in a way, like

710
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 3: we kind of need help a little bit just helping

711
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: us make decisions, and something that maybe helps you narrow

712
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: your choices down can make you a little bit happier.

713
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 3: But as you said, you know, humans have a long

714
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 3: history of manipulating others using whatever tools are available to

715
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: manipulate others. And so yeah, you can definitely imagine that

716
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 3: being used to like influence what you buy, what you

717
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 3: what you're into. And what I learned from hypnotism looking

718
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: into hypnotism for one of our episodes was and I

719
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 3: actually got hypnotized in the episodes. We can talk a

720
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,359
Speaker 3: little bit about that if you like.

721
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 2: Are you still under by the way, right? Yeah, yeah,

722
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: I'm still hopping. That's why I do the show. I'm

723
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 2: still hopping on one leg.

724
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 3: Is that you know, at the end of the day,

725
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: you have a subconscious you know, then people can mess with,

726
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: people can try to influence, but at the end of

727
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 3: the day, it's still your choice on things. You know,

728
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 3: you're the one who's still give on things. You're the

729
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 3: one who's making all of these options. And so yeah,

730
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: there's totally the potential to influence people in a bad way,

731
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: in a good way, but hopefully people still exercise their

732
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 3: free will, yeah.

733
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Speaker 2: Or understand I think very least people need to understand

734
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 2: that their free will is under attack. I think that's

735
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: the difference is that there's a lot of these passive

736
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: ways that seemingly are like well, that's crazy Instagram knows

737
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: like what I want to buy, like every time, like

738
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: I'm just buying stuff off there and I agree. Like

739
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 2: there's sometimes I'm like, oh shit, this is actually something

740
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: I'm really interested in and I'm glad I found out

741
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: about other times like who do you think I am?

742
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: And why would I want this? But I think understanding

743
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 2: how I think, really understanding how the people like From

744
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: this MIT paper, like this is really chilling right from

745
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: this MIT paper says quote, we survey recent efforts by

746
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: tech executives to position the capture, manipulation, and commodification of

747
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: human intentionality as a lucrative parallel to and viable extension

748
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 2: of the now dominant attention economy, which has bent consumer, civic,

749
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: and media norms around users finite attention span since the

750
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: nineteen nineties. We call this follow on the intention economy

751
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: of like to understand it's like, yes, we have our

752
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: free will, but also know that there are people that

753
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 2: are at these levers that can absolutely have an effect

754
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 2: on what we perceive to be like the decisions we're

755
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: making independently. And I think that's the part I think

756
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 2: to get in touch with a little more because I

757
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 2: think as long as you know that that that's better

758
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 2: than like talking to like one of my older parents

759
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 2: who has known dude. My mom showed me this AI

760
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: slop video and she's like, why would this giraffe do this?

761
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: And I was like, Mom, no, like if it felt

762
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 2: like I was watching her turn into like a smith

763
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: or something like with her red.

764
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 7: I say why, I'm like.

765
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 2: It's bullshit, let it go. Yeah. But the second I

766
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 2: told her like all these things just start up, She's like,

767
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: oh shit, I didn't. She's like, it's the first time

768
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: I saw anything like this. But now this makes sense

769
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: because other people I know will talk about things like this.

770
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: I think we have to at least have that attention

771
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: on it to help safeguard.

772
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 3: There's definitely like a line right where you know, if

773
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: you're paying for an AI to help you and it

774
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: actually has your best interests in mind and really wants

775
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 3: to give you something that you might like, then I

776
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 3: think that can be helpful. But if you or if

777
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 3: they don't tell you that they're also taking money from

778
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 3: an advertiser to try to feed you these things, and

779
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: that's where it gets really sketched.

780
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, or a political campaign or candidate or party. I mean,

781
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: it's all like that's the thing is like, as these

782
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: two get developed, like very quickly, a fork is in

783
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: the road where it's like do you do the thing

784
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: that you do right by human beings or do you

785
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: do the thing that you have a very lucrative party

786
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: trick you can sell companies.

787
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: There's a there's a metaphor that a lot of people

788
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: use that has I've always used because I think, without

789
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: realizing it, it gives me hope and like comfort, which

790
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: is like in a few years, like people are going

791
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,479
Speaker 1: to look back on everybody having like kids all having

792
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: screens and like everybody just like being on their screens

793
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: at all times of the day, the way we look

794
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: back on like the nineteen fifties and sixties and everybody smoking,

795
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: and that I think gives me comfort because it's like, yeah,

796
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: but then we got over that. You know, we've realized

797
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: that that was bad for us and we stopped doing it.

798
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: But like in order to make smoking illegal, like that

799
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: was a multi decade like battle where we were like no,

800
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: the like look at these charts, like it's the science inarguable,

801
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: Like it is literally like there's a smoking gun here,

802
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: Like this is you are being killed by these cigarettes,

803
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: and like even then, just the forces of like capital

804
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: that we're behind smoking we're just like we're still wait,

805
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: we're still holding a wait and see position on Errand

806
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: I just I don't think we're going to get that

807
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: smoking gun with phones, like I think because it's more

808
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: of a like spiritual thing, you know, it's more of

809
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 1: a phenomenological like I don't know, like if you asked

810
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: yourself ten years ago, if you showed yourself a video

811
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: of like what your family dinner looks like today, like

812
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: where everybody's just on their phones and not looking at

813
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: each other, and like there are ads that like make

814
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: fun of the idea of like trying to have a

815
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: family dinner without phones like that. That's one of the

816
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: ads that keeps running in the NBA playoffs is like

817
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: people being like, let's just put our phones away real

818
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: quick and then have a conversation.

819
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: And then somebody says.

820
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: Something really boring and they're like, Okay, back to phones,

821
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: back to phone, Like it's a fucking bummer. Like, but

822
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's gonna be enough to make

823
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: it like a smoking gun where we like get rid

824
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: of the technology.

825
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 3: That's a great analogy though with smoking. Maybe maybe need

826
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: to start with restaurants. You know, my restaurants need to

827
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 3: have like a no phone.

828
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like that would be trendy, but

829
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: it would never like take over, like the Surgeon General

830
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: is never going to.

831
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: Be like you must. Maybe it happened where they're like

832
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: there was a this guy, the sushi chef Nozawa, who

833
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: if you've heard of the sugarfish like restaurant chain, it's

834
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: comes from this guy in Nozawa. And when he like

835
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 2: he started off with a small sushi shop on Ventura

836
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: Blevard in the valley, and when cell phones became a

837
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 2: thing because a ton of studio people would go in there,

838
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: he had a no cell phone pot Like he would

839
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: throw fucking people out mid meal for picking up a

840
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: phone call. And he became legendary. But then it was

841
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 2: like then very quickly he I gave up. He's like,

842
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 2: I can't, I can't battle every he gave up. Oh no, yeah, yeah,

843
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: I mean because I think once you throw out a

844
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 2: few studio executives, probably it becomes bad for business exactly.

845
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: And like I mean think about like this is phones

846
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: are going to be or you know ai assistants are

847
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 1: going to be how like all business is conducted, so

848
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm assuming also will be seen as bad for business

849
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: to institute laws Like I just think it's going to

850
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: be on us to make these decisions to like, you know,

851
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: live with free will or not. And I think like

852
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: to the you know, one of the key takeaways from

853
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: your hypnotism episode is like, you can't be hypnotized into

854
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: doing something you don't want to do. But I also

855
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: to the to the point that you just raised, like,

856
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people will want the AI

857
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: assistant to just like be like, I don't know, man,

858
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: I got a lot going on, Like you just take

859
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: it from here.

860
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 3: Whatever, show me something that I'm gonna it's gonna relax me.

861
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: But I think where it gets tricky is kind of

862
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 3: the same sho economical part, right, Yeah, people people who

863
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 3: can afford it will pay for the like the clean, neutral,

864
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 3: nice version of AI. But people who can afford it

865
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 3: will have to you.

866
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 2: Know, add supported version and add.

867
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: Hypnotize you know, add subliminal messages version. But because that's

868
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 3: what they can afford.

869
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's very I mean, like I'm

870
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: also like from a scientific perspective, do you ever worry

871
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 2: about like you you hear a lot about like language

872
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: hegemony and research and how like the English language dominates

873
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: a lot of scientific research and as a result, it

874
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 2: causes research and other language to languages to not get

875
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 2: as much attention as maybe it could be. Or also

876
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: other people have pointed out that it's like if everyone

877
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 2: thinks in the same language, certain mistakes can happen because

878
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 2: you're using everyone's sort of using the same language linguistic

879
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 2: pathways to arrive at a solution, whereas like varied forms

880
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 2: of languages have different sort of pathways to solve a

881
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: problem just based on how the language is structured. I

882
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: wonder too, if, like with the proliferation of people using

883
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 2: AI more and more, if that is just now another

884
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: layer of vulnerability where there's like a version where people

885
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: aren't giving it the same kind of vetting or analysis

886
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: as they would because they're presuming it to be completely correct.

887
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: And then does that lead to some kind of science

888
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: What is this going to do for?

889
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is this going to do for like outside

890
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: the box thinking? When you have a thing doing your

891
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: thinking for you that is just drawing on all previous

892
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: thoughts yeah, and remixing it. It's like, yes, we're not

893
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: going to have a lot of cool new ideas coming through.

894
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

895
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: And you know, for sure like scientists definitely talk about,

896
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 3: you know, having a common language. You know, you kind

897
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: of need that in order to exchange ideas about science.

898
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 3: Kind of hard to do it through translator, so that

899
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: a little bit of that is inevitable. But you know,

900
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 3: I always take comfort in the fact that if you

901
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 3: ever talk to a scientists or any scientists, their dream

902
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: is to be like the one person who's contrariant who turns.

903
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 2: Out to be right, you know, to be the person

904
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: who's revolutionary big of science, the scientific Yeah.

905
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone wants to be the person who up ends

906
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 3: the field or everyone wants to be the person who

907
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 3: proves everyone. So my feeling is like hopefully and this

908
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 3: will continue, is that science is kind of set up

909
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 3: so that, you know, people are always questioning the assumptions

910
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 3: that aren't being made and the results that are being

911
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 3: that come out. Uh So that's my hope in the

912
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: parents that that continues.

913
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: They're doing that from China, they will not be doing

914
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: it from the United States.

915
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and I think that also I definitely agree

916
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: with that because I feel like the people that have

917
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: been most vocal about questioning AI have been scientists and

918
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: researchers because they're also just sort of like, well, it

919
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: does these things, fine, let's really talk about everything, and yeah,

920
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: I guess I never think about like, yeah much in

921
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: the same Yeah, people want like that's that's the hw

922
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: you would chase as a researcher or a scientist. It's

923
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 2: like they fucking overlook this, yeah right right right, So yeah,

924
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: maybe we do have something in built there and the

925
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 2: sciences that will help. How annoying scientists are?

926
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, people say there's three kinds of scientists, the scientist

927
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: who uh first poses a question, and the scientist who

928
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 3: answers the question, and then everyone in between, who nobody

929
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 3: ever remembers.

930
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: Right, damn damn. Now watch we peel this banana from

931
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: the tip end. Have you seen somebody open a banana

932
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: from the tip end? Yeah? Yeah, I've been the person

933
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 2: who thought that was that's the way to do it,

934
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: the better way to do it, that's the way to

935
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 2: do it.

936
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 3: It's actually easier. Yeah, well there's a trade. There is

937
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: a trade about we can't get into it.

938
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,839
Speaker 2: Wait, hold on no, and I need to know because

939
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: we're just talking about contrarians. And I saw somebody's like, yeah,

940
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: let me open this banana for your kid. I said,

941
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 2: what the fuck are you doing it? From that in front?

942
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 2: There's there's answer banana. Right, there's a point that stems

943
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 2: that connects to the rest of the planet. That that's

944
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: not the tail, right that you would call the other

945
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 2: end the tail where it ends. Oh wait, I'm calling

946
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 2: it from the stem. I open it from the stem end.

947
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 3: Ye right, Yeah, that's how I've always done it, But

948
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: recently I got shown that trick too of opening it

949
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 3: from the tip end, and it is easier, especially if

950
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 3: the banana is not quite ripe, like if it's a

951
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 3: little green and it's it's kind of hard to open

952
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 3: it from the step in. Then it's a lot easier

953
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: to just squeeze the tip, uh, and then then it

954
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 3: just kind of opens up.

955
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: Oh So it changed me when I saw and we're

956
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: about to bring us to our next subject after the break,

957
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: we're seeing a gorilla open a banana where they just

958
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 1: break it, snap it in half, and then just like

959
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: kind of shoot it out.

960
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: That might be easier. Yeah, you'll they just half. Yeah,

961
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: you break it, and they break pretty easy. I highly

962
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: recommend it. It's a great feeling. I broke. I nearly

963
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: broke my hands trying to break it. Oh no, I'm

964
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 2: telling you, theserillas, you're not one.

965
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 3: Hundred banana like Miles roped the banana.

966
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 2: We need that in a distract him. Let's take a

967
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 2: quick break.

968
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: We'll come back and talk about the most important scientific

969
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 1: question of the day. We'll be right back, and we're back,

970
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: and it's shot in Freud a week on. He's like

971
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: Geist every day.

972
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: Every day.

973
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: We like to just take a quick look at how

974
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: things are going for some of the people who jump

975
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: on jumped on the Trump train and expected that it

976
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: was gonna go well for them, despite all evidence that

977
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: everybody who sides with him ends up getting sucked over.

978
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 2: And yeah, at every level, even the grifters most of

979
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 2: the time, unless your last name is Trump, because they're

980
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: they're Donald Trump. I think Doju is opening up a

981
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: new social club that's like half a million ahead to

982
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: get in, because again, everything's about access. And so the

983
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: first one hundred days was like this thing. Everyone on

984
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 2: the right was talking about, how epic to first hundred

985
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: days this ministration would be despite every metric indicating that

986
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: it was a total shit show at the fuck Factory.

987
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 2: And this was a moment for Trump sycophants to lie

988
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 2: to his face, as we saw in that cabinet meeting,

989
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 2: about his greatness, and also a great opportunity for outsiders

990
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: to grift.

991
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: And I would be that cabinet meeting, Chris, did you

992
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: see the cabinet meeting where everybody just sat there trying

993
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: to be like President here the finest human specimen of president.

994
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: All right.

995
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: I just thought that was what that was like the

996
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: moment for me for whatever reason, where you just like

997
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: entered a new level of surreal fucking you know, dystopia shit,

998
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 1: that's just like, oh we're we are in a movie

999
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: now like this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1000
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 4: It's quite difficult to live, uh and keep your head

1001
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 4: on straight, especially with trying to raise kids. But I

1002
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 4: think everybody you know who's doing it is it's a

1003
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 4: damn hero because I do think that if you're if

1004
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 4: you're and I know people who are taking care of

1005
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 4: their kids and stuff and in the face of all this,

1006
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 4: because it will pass. I don't know if it'll pass.

1007
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 4: With an ice age. I have to wait that long.

1008
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 4: But I mean, this will go away. You know, these

1009
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 4: people will pass away, they will blow away, whatever happens,

1010
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 4: and and then you know, and it's worth hanging in there.

1011
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 4: But it is right now. And there was that New

1012
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 4: Yorker piece, which I wasn't crazy about it, but that

1013
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 4: one did you read? It came out today or yesterday,

1014
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 4: just about like how my brain's finally broken.

1015
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: Okay, it was just written.

1016
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 4: It's it's it's it's great. I'm just mad. I'm jealous

1017
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 4: of anybody whos in the New Yorker. But you know,

1018
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 4: it's probably fine. I'm like, she's a pretty good writer.

1019
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 2: It's not that good.

1020
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 4: Oh there's no advice king, but anyway, so I'm mad

1021
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 4: at everybody. But but it's a good article. It's about

1022
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 4: just a list of like a laundry list of what

1023
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 4: people deal with on a regular basis, of deep fakes

1024
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 4: and and just politics and just the endless, endless barrage

1025
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 4: of bad news. And so you don't even remember what

1026
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 4: the bad news was, or what day it is, or

1027
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 4: what time it is or anything. You just are lost

1028
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 4: in your fucking phone and in the internet. And everybody

1029
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 4: is this is probably peak disorientation for any human beings

1030
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 4: ever on Earth. I honestly I think that's true. You

1031
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 4: know what I mean, There's never been. I mean, you

1032
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 4: were dealing with one dinosaur, one guy trying to throw

1033
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 4: a fucking a caveman, you know what I mean, Like

1034
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 4: one guy's trying to hit you with a club, and.

1035
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: The maybe is there's no dinosaurs.

1036
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess they didn't co exist. I don't

1037
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 4: know a cheetah whatever. You had two things, but you

1038
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:39,240
Speaker 4: knew they were real.

1039
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 2: There wasn't like a deep faked.

1040
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,959
Speaker 1: Up in a tree, not a world where like half

1041
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 1: of what you see as fake.

1042
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: The yeah that says by.

1043
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 4: A caveman, a fucking deep fag he jump in a

1044
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 4: damn waterfall. I like that.

1045
00:52:55,640 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 2: You're like this damn Gia Tolentino. Great thing so far?

1046
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 2: Ohick Marrows?

1047
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 4: All right, Oh well you're probably not as upset as me,

1048
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 4: who doesn't work for the New Yorker, Right right.

1049
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 2: Right, Well, at least you can articulate both of those

1050
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 2: that that that's already sets you apart from ninety nine

1051
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: percent of the people out there. But anyway, so this

1052
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: grift right because everyone is now everyone is susceptible, like

1053
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 2: you're saying. Two fucking hacks on the right, one guy

1054
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 2: who works for a daily caller, another one who calls

1055
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 2: herself an activist. They decided to team up and really

1056
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: cash in on the excitement. The two quote planned to

1057
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: host what they described on the event's now deleted website

1058
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: as the official Celebration of President Trump's first one hundred

1059
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 2: days at the newly trumpefied Kennedy Center. Tickets for this

1060
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,919
Speaker 2: event went from between one hundred dollars and twenty five

1061
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 2: hundred dollars. Keep that in mind. Invitations promised an unforgettable

1062
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: evening where quote where quote, luxury meets excitement and I

1063
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 2: don't know what that means. There was also a promise

1064
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: of access to individual guests, members of the Trump administration,

1065
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 2: and members of Congress. Set Eight's AI generator Right, Luxury

1066
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 2: meets excitement. I feel it feels. This whole thing feels

1067
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: that I generated when you do that, Luxury meets excitement.

1068
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: I don't even know what cocaine is. What it is, yeah,

1069
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, Like you wear a ball gown while

1070
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,959
Speaker 2: screaming racial slurs at full volume and do a little

1071
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 2: blow and you're like, this is the height of love

1072
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: and we're a luxury exciting wow, and you can get

1073
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: away with it. Isn't that luxurious?

1074
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 4: Unbelievable?

1075
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: So the problems began immediately once Trump announced that a

1076
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: rally in Michigan would be the event that marked the

1077
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: first hundred days. And once that potential big draw just

1078
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: went poof, the Kennedy Center canceled the contract with the organizers,

1079
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: and it forced the event to move to the equally

1080
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 2: glamorous Arlington, Virginia. Okay and okay, yeah, I mean things

1081
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: still good, still pretty good. It's not like geographically not

1082
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 2: that far from Washington, d C. So it's basically the

1083
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: president's approving the envy. Yeah, you're there, you're there, you're

1084
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 2: selling access things get This is where things, This is

1085
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 2: where the details get real fucking spicy. So problems multiplied

1086
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: from there. McMillan, who's one of the organizers, acknowledged that

1087
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: she asked attendees with comped tickets to bring bottles of

1088
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 2: alcohol to fill out the bar, even though the website

1089
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 2: promised quote premium drinks. Another organizer himself asked the husband

1090
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 2: of a photographer who had been hired to shoot the

1091
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 2: event to bring some alcohol as well. Then bring alcohol.

1092
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 2: The man then warned the organizer to call off the

1093
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 2: party before a fire festival style debacle ensued. Quote you're

1094
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 2: charging big money for this thing, and people won't be

1095
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: getting what they paid for, the man wrote, according to messages. Later,

1096
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 2: when the photographer realized she wouldn't be paid to shoot

1097
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,879
Speaker 2: the party, she canceled the Instagram. The Instagram account under

1098
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 2: one of the organizer's names subsequently sent a message to

1099
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 2: the photographer with the line fuck you whore. Both organizers

1100
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 2: deny that he sent the message, but they won't say

1101
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 2: who did.

1102
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't us, and so who did it? Ah,

1103
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,760
Speaker 1: we're not at liberty to say. We're just as bothered

1104
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 1: by it as you are, but we can't say who

1105
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: did twenty twenty from our account in.

1106
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty five. Denying something means you did it.

1107
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, truly.

1108
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: It's it is actually just kind of noteworthy that they

1109
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: went through the effort of denying it.

1110
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, and that's when like shit gets

1111
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 2: so but then their defenses of it or what so, Okay,

1112
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 2: the event, the event finally comes and it was I mean,

1113
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 2: was it a success? I guess if you consider the

1114
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: fact that it looked like total shit and people call

1115
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: the cops on them for not delivering what was promised. Yeah,

1116
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 2: one guess said, quote, there was no VIP, there was

1117
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 2: no red carpet like they promised, Like when I bought

1118
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 2: my ticket, we also said we would be quote in

1119
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 2: the company of high profile guests. I have no idea

1120
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: who those would have been, because I didn't see anybody

1121
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 2: high profile. When asked if she had a different explanation

1122
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 2: for the ticket packages right, because tickets were between like

1123
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 2: two hundred and two thousand dollars, Like, what explanation for

1124
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 2: different ticket packages not being what they were advertised, the

1125
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 2: organizer just said no. The website also mimiced the official

1126
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 2: White House website. This is where this is where the

1127
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 2: grift really comes in. And one of the organizers, again

1128
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: this woman was asked, isn't that deceptive to like have

1129
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 2: this sort of font, color scheme, everything mimic the official

1130
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 2: White House website where you're calling it the official hundred

1131
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: Days party. She says, this is her defense. Quote, if

1132
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 2: a color scheme and font needs somebody to believe although

1133
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: there are words on the website, they'd say exactly who

1134
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 2: the host is that this must be the White House

1135
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 2: putting this on. I don't know what to tell that person. Wow.

1136
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, real, real, real awesome grifters. And can you

1137
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: just explain, like what was the different? No? No, okay, I.

1138
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: Mean it looked cool, it looked fun. Man, I don't know,

1139
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: like you got to kind of be there. It's one

1140
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: of those things where you got to be there. Oh,

1141
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

1142
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: Or it looked tight. I'm sorry. Yeah. This one clip

1143
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: from the dance floor is humili This is from so

1144
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: the local GOP like outfit in Arlington, Virginia. They started

1145
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 2: posting shit because they're like, this is a grift. Beware

1146
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 2: of these fucking people, Chris, have you ever been to

1147
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: a party that looked this fucking sick? I'm just gonna

1148
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: play from the top. There's like literally eight people on

1149
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 2: the dance floor. There's a guy with a puppet on

1150
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 2: the ground. There's a US dancing he's not This guy's

1151
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: a MAGA hat he's waving around. Looks like a total

1152
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: dipshit this I don't know this guy on There's a

1153
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 2: guy on the ground I think doing like a triumph

1154
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 2: type bit. Mm hmmm. Because he's like just holding a puppet,

1155
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: but laying down in front of a woman.

1156
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 4: It's all that's the worst looking party you ever saw

1157
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 4: in my life. Yeah really, and you can't party with

1158
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 4: he can't party with a bunch of I mean, that's

1159
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 4: the thing is nobody. It's hard to say, but you know,

1160
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 4: it's like they've reinvented. They wanted to be the popular kids,

1161
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 4: you know, so they're like, the only way they can

1162
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 4: do it is with violence. So that's what they're doing.

1163
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 4: So they've they've gotten to the top of the power structure.

1164
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 4: So now they're the popular brands as far as they're concerned.

1165
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: But forced popular kiddom.

1166
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 4: But the kind of trash that they are makes it

1167
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 4: so nobody. They're still not gonna have fun because they

1168
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 4: don't understand that charmless people have to get their shit

1169
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 4: together and become like, I don't know what, you know,

1170
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 4: do some work on themselves. You know. I know it's

1171
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 4: a popular thing to say, but someone like Donald Trump Junior,

1172
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 4: if he wants to have friends that are fun, he's

1173
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 4: gonna have to become a whole different person.

1174
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1175
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 4: The kind of people who are gonna come to Donald

1176
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 4: Trump's party are guaranteed to make him sad because he's

1177
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 4: expecting it to be, like he really, you know, he

1178
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 4: hates Robert de Niro, but he would love.

1179
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 2: It if Robert de Niro would come.

1180
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 4: Like, these people are never gonna get what they want,

1181
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 4: which is actually approval from celebrities, like liberal celebrities, and

1182
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 4: they're never gonna get it, so they're stuck with just

1183
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 4: like another guy who thought violence was a way to popular.

1184
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they all share the thing where every

1185
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 2: person who like rises up on the like conservative side

1186
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: of things, I mean and either side, but like really

1187
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 2: it's really pronounced with the right ring right wingers especially

1188
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 2: who just go, no, it can't be that I'm the

1189
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 2: problem here, right, it's everything else. It's not me, and

1190
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 2: everything else needs.

1191
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 4: To change, Like, yeah, I'm gonna rearrange the world so

1192
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 4: I have a good time, instead of realizing the reason

1193
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 4: I'm not having a good time is because.

1194
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: I probably have a ton of trauma. Yeah, yeah, a

1195
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 2: lot I'm working with.

1196
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, these motherfuckers were not loved. I'm not saying that

1197
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 4: that excuse is anything, because it doesn't because there's lots

1198
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 4: of unloved people who who.

1199
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 2: Oh fucking love.

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01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:52,280
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it. For this week's weekly Zeitgeist.

1201
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Speaker 1: Please like and review the show if you like, the

1202
01:00:55,920 --> 01:01:01,160
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Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

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Speaker 1: talk to you Monday.

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Speaker 9: Bye.