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Speaker 3: Effective preparation starts with fitness, but it requires so much more.

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Speaker 3: This is In Pursuit, brought to you by Mayhem Hunt.

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Speaker 3: All Right, today, on in Pursuit, we've got doctor Andy

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Speaker 3: You're talking to somebody that's gonna pull a trigger on

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Speaker 2: Right, yep, And I mean, I'm run around that thing

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Speaker 2: much better. That was more of a tissue tolerance thing.

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00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 2: It was like, do you need to be moving for many,

438
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 2: many many hours a day and you're gonna go up

439
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 2: and down a bunch and you need to make sure

440
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 2: that you don't wake up on day two mm hmmm,

441
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,919
Speaker 2: because this is gonna be five or six days of grind.

442
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 2: Totally so completely different things. So like the max heartwy stuff, Nope,

443
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 2: I can handle it, yep. Doing my whole life right,

444
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 2: like it's not as good as it used to be.

445
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 2: I can train for that, I can get better. But

446
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 2: I'm not like, I'm not uncomfortable. I'm not freaking out

447
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:42,080
Speaker 2: mentally if if I can't breathe, right, but the ability

448
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 2: to wake up and be like my achielees is not

449
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:44,399
Speaker 2: working today.

450
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's blown up, like ye.

451
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 5: Yep.

452
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,439
Speaker 2: I have to prepare for that, right yeah, good example.

453
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 2: That just two weeks ago.

454
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: And you know Doug Larson, right, Barbara Yell? Yeah, yeah,

455
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 1: he and I went to college together. I don't know

456
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 1: if you guys know that, Okay, I know, yeah, so

457
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: he and I lived together, so I'm known him for

458
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 1: over twenty years.

459
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 2: We just summoned Mount Saint Helen's Okay, it's like eighty

460
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 2: five hundred feet. It's like, it's not crazy. But I

461
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 2: did zero preparation for that at all because I'm not

462
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 2: even preparing for hunting season and it's about forty five

463
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 2: hundred feet the elevation game yep, and that probably ten miles.

464
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:25,959
Speaker 5: That'll do it.

465
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 1: Brother, That was a week ago, and I'm.

466
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 3: Still messed up. What's what? What hurts the most besides

467
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 3: your soul.

468
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:36,959
Speaker 1: Probably the calves.

469
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, calves achilles.

470
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that's what I mean of, like, it's

471
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: the tissue tolerance. It wasn't like I was out of breath,

472
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 2: Like the elevation game was fine, Like I could have

473
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 2: gone way fast around that yep.

474
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 1: But it was the next day I woke up my

475
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: ankles and calves were so destroyed.

476
00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 5: Yep.

477
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 2: So that's what I mean when I'm like, I mean,

478
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 2: that's what I have to prepare for something like that,

479
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 2: which I did nothing for the Mountain Helens thing.

480
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: Just it's here in my backyard.

481
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: Okay, I need to handle that so I can do

482
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,439
Speaker 2: a three or four five day one and not just

483
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 2: be completely.

484
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: Wrecked because of the up and downs.

485
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,440
Speaker 2: I can get everything else in my training, but how

486
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 2: do you simulate three hours in boots up and down?

487
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 2: In this case, it was ten hours. So it's that

488
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 2: part that I have to train for and I can't

489
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 2: do that in six weeks.

490
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you know a lot.

491
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,880
Speaker 3: That's That's one of the things that I think is neglect. Calves. Man,

492
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 3: calves get so blown up on me pretty quick, and

493
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 3: so you know, we push a lot of sled and

494
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:32,720
Speaker 3: do that type of stuff. But yeah, you have to

495
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,640
Speaker 3: start way out building up those tolerances because even now

496
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 3: that I've added a bunch of sled the last couple

497
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 3: of weeks, my achilles, my calves, I mean, I have

498
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 3: no meniscus left in my knee, so uh, you know,

499
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 3: I've got to work a lot on that, ye d

500
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 3: cell and stepping down from things or just that's honestly,

501
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 3: the thing that beats me up the most is the

502
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,880
Speaker 3: eccentric coming downhill and yeah, yeah, that's what's got.

503
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: Me halfway down the mountain. My name is done and

504
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm like done.

505
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 2: So it's actually funny, is my right me is the

506
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: one that's gone, And so of course I did everything.

507
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: On my left left after my halfway so my.

508
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 2: White quad wasn't sore at all, yep, and my left

509
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: one is again yah, and it's so happy.

510
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 3: Man. Yeah, we got opposite legs, I'll give you my Yeah,

511
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 3: we're basically the same thing, but nothing on the left.

512
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 3: I'm looking at an ostiautomy right now. So yeah, but

513
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: biden time on that four.

514
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 4: What are some things that you do to make sure

515
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 4: I know? Of course, like Rich said, he pushed a sled,

516
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 4: you starts that far out, but just practically leading up

517
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 4: to make sure day two, day three, day four, you're

518
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 4: still okay.

519
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So you know what, I'm gonna skip past

520
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: some of the obvious stuff and go to some stuff

521
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: I didn't think about perfectly. And because I asked Doug

522
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: about this a couple of days ago, I'm like, man,

523
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 2: at you're castle star and he's like, no at all,

524
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 2: and I'm like damn. And he's like, he had just

525
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: done half Domee pretty recently, okay, and he prepared for

526
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 2: that pretty hard.

527
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: And he's like, dude, I just did a bunch of

528
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: caffes really, And I was like, boy, only takes thirty

529
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 1: years in this field, not right.

530
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Well, I don't do calf raises. Those are dumb.

531
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 1: I don't do bodybuilding stuff like it just I've never

532
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: been interested in it.

533
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 3: Yep.

534
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: And it's like my excuse right to not do accessory

535
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: work that I should do.

536
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yep, yep, do as I say, not as

537
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: I do.

538
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: So I didn't do any calf races and he's like, dude,

539
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: it really helped. And I was like, oh my god,

540
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: So I.

541
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 2: Would recommend that, but like I would actually start with

542
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 2: really really long angle calf raiss.

543
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, so leaning out, leaning into the wall or into

544
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 3: a rig something like that.

545
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, as much as you can do, I will. It's funny,

546
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: man I do him with all of our athletes.

547
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you do many chib raises.

548
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: Not really, No, we can.

549
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: I mean that's fine if we have those issues knee issues,

550
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: maybe fine. But for the most part we'll do barefoot

551
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: yep a lot of times, like on a ball some

552
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 2: ford and get like a aggressive toe foot contraction. Yeah,

553
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: all the way up and you can really hammer those things.

554
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: You can do them super frequently.

555
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: And to your point, Rachel, like you can do really

556
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 2: aggressive angles, like really get as much flection.

557
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: Extension as you possibly can.

558
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's gonna be the problem you're in when

559
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 2: you're in those shoes.

560
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're outside those those issues. Yeap. Honestly, a

561
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: bunch of us have nerded up and we all wear

562
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: Vivo's barefoot shoe and man, I train everything in them,

563
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: and it helps my knee a ton, you know, strengthen

564
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 3: everything below and above the knee, you know, I, you know,

565
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 3: just I just because I'm talking about getting this osteotomy

566
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 3: and getting the MRI back and basically you know, severe

567
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 3: arthritis and all three compartments and uh, at some point

568
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: my a cl my body just absorbed it. No a

569
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 3: cl Uh. Yeah, there's no fibers left, and so you

570
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 3: know I have and I couldn't tell you when that happened,

571
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 3: and so you know you got to work around some

572
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 3: of those things, right.

573
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

574
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 5: No.

575
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 2: I've had five surgeries on the same knee, and the

576
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: last one is at ploratory and they're just like.

577
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're done.

578
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're done, We're done.

579
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah it's full replacement or yeah, we'll see you later.

580
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 3: Cool.

581
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 5: How old.

582
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: I had that at? Thirty probably thirty five years old?

583
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 2: Okay, they're like you're done, and you're how old now?

584
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 5: Forty two?

585
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 3: All right, I'm thirty eight. Yeah. They were like, oh,

586
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 3: we can try a nasty out of me, and I'm

587
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: like maybe we'll see so yeah.

588
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: So I'm holding out for for higher.

589
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 3: Upson's right, right? All right, So you know we've talked

590
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 3: the exercise side of stuff, but like, all right, a

591
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: guy gets in day one, day two and they've done

592
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: a ton of volume. At night, obviously your sleep's not

593
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 3: going to be the greatest, right, you know, anybody asks

594
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 3: me my highest you know, like what's the biggest thing

595
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 3: for recovery? I'm like, make sure you're eating enough and

596
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 3: make sure you're sleeping enough for me, you know, like

597
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: what's the goal? You know, like should I should I

598
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: cold punch that I saw it on. I'm like, if

599
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: you have those things, great, but best like best case

600
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 3: is eating sleep, right, And so what do you you know?

601
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 3: Are you more procarb guy? Are you more keto guy? Like,

602
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 3: let's we'll talk nutrition first. Obviously hydration is a huge

603
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 3: piece of that making sure you're getting those things. But

604
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 3: we'll talk nutrition first, and we'll talk I mean, sleep

605
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: is gonna be hard in the mountains.

606
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's talking about in preparation for or when

607
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 2: you're up there.

608
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 5: Let's just let's do both, just quick, maybe quick on both.

609
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so in preparation. Uh.

610
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 2: The reason I asset is because the answers are almost

611
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 2: pull their opposite Right, you want to maximize sleep and

612
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: you want to maximize nutritional quality when you're here anhydration,

613
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: but you want to be careful with over consuming fluids

614
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: when you're out and packing. Just the basic answer there

615
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: is like you're packing too much load if you're not

616
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: using bottles that you can filter and devices like that.

617
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: But anybody who's ever especially hunting, you don't want to

618
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: be peeing every forty minutes.

619
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: Nope.

620
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: It's a in fact, a funny story. We got back

621
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 2: to camp recently and James Cam's like a camera guy.

622
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, I just I think I broke

623
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: a record, Like what He's like, I just held a

624
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 2: p for twelve hours. And I was like, well, there

625
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: was this monster, this like eight foot plus black bear,

626
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 2: and they had cam and almost got a shot at

627
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: him and he didn't and so then they waited days

628
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: for him to come back.

629
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: And James is like, I didn't want.

630
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: To go pete in the area at all and like

631
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: potentially blow this hunt and who knows it actually matters

632
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: this giant monster. But he's like, I'm not even gonna

633
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: risk it because this is like a record breaking black bear.

634
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: So you don't want to be like doing that. It's

635
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 2: just a pain do that. So we actually be generally

636
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: men like kind of do what's what's needed hydration wise

637
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: when you're out there, but you want to prepare prior

638
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: to going out in the optimal conditions so that you're

639
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: as resilient as possible when you're in these suboptimal conditions. Right,

640
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: So when you're para like prior to going out, you

641
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 2: want to be at great body composition, you want to

642
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: be lean, right, we don't want to be doing all

643
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 2: those things. But when you're out there, it's the opposite,

644
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: Like all that is irrelevant, and you want to smash

645
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: calories all Yep, however you can, right, And I'll give

646
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: you two like very similar examples we recently worked with.

647
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: And I actually just had data open this morning on

648
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: Michael Easter. I don't know if you know Michael, but

649
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 2: he just did this cool thing where he went I

650
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: forget the numbers he did, but I think he did

651
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: nine hundred miles hike. It took him like six weeks

652
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: or something like that, so he just.

653
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: Just hyped all the way rup through.

654
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: Numbers may be off there, but it was something like

655
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: really some mile here. At the same time, I'm right

656
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: in the middle of Ross Edgeley, and Ross is swimming

657
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: around Iceland. Okay, this is a thousand I think it's

658
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 2: a thousand miles swim and it's going to take him

659
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: probably five months, jeez, and he's two months in or

660
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: something like this at this point, Wow, and it's freezing cold.

661
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: And I mean, yeah, there's so many factors, all these things.

662
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: They're talking about, like pretty extreme angles of this stuff.

663
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: And philosophically, it was the same approach in Ross's case.

664
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to be lean. He's literally an ice

665
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: water for a little bit and needs to have a

666
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: little bit of insulation.

667
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: Right, Michael's up store, like, let's be lean as possible.

668
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: But in the event, we're getting as many calories hammer case,

669
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 2: like legit trying to get ten thousand a day, Michael,

670
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: the most high calorically dense stuff. Now you're you're literally

671
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: talking candy bars.

672
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: You're talking because.

673
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 5: I mean it's it's in and out.

674
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: In and out right, you need everything there. So when

675
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: it comes to like fats carb sings like that's a

676
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: game to play at home.

677
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 3: Right, see what everybody holds it out effects everybody's different,

678
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: you know, like there's not one stop shop. I mean

679
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: we know quality obviously and in perfect world is best.

680
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's sounds very similar to when we compete, right,

681
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: you know, like we're trying to optimize when we're at home,

682
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 3: and then as soon as you get on the you know,

683
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 3: you you get off the plane to wherever you're at,

684
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, give me some gummies, some nerd clusters, whatever.

685
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: I got to get to get some sugar. And now

686
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: you know, I've done Leadville the last two years and

687
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: you know, and it's it's what somebody said it to

688
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 3: me was, you're basically when you're doing an endurance test,

689
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 3: it's an eating competition, right. You gotta you gotta stay

690
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 3: ahead of that curve because if you fall behind, you're done.

691
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

692
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: We had I had a guy named Jordie Sullivan on

693
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: my show, and Jordi was a dietitian for Ned Brockman

694
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: when he did the thousand mile run.

695
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: Oh and it's dope.

696
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: Jordi went through everything Ned. I think Ned did this

697
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: on a track.

698
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: By the way, God, oh oh.

699
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 5: Add right there is that hurts me. I think that's

700
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 5: harder than the actual physical side of it. Just on.

701
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: So Jordi had everything down in terms of everything from

702
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 2: calories to macros to electrolyzed to sodium to fluid, all

703
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: this stuff, and he goes through it in detail. But

704
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: the point of it is, yeah, man, like it's about

705
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: like you have to stay ahead because if you fall behind,

706
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: it's you're done.

707
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 5: You're not catching up when you're that physically active the

708
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 5: whole time. So yet no, I agree with one hundred percent.

709
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: So get ahead, you know, play with your your macros

710
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: as you see fit. I generally look the rub with

711
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: fat is fat is great because it gives you more

712
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 2: calories a pre density. Right, And so when you pack

713
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: it out there, and this is when the old trail

714
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 2: mixed stuff falls in. Right, you have a handful of

715
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 2: nuts as an example, and it feels like a handful

716
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: in your stomach.

717
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: But you could get five hundred calories.

718
00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: Yep, Like a handful of that apple is like, it's.

719
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: Just not much.

720
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 5: It's mostly water.

721
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna get you need to eat five apples. Yeah,

722
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: Like you're just not gonna get it there.

723
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: So from like a packing in your pack to sitting

724
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: on your stomach, And depending on what kind of hunting

725
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: you're doing. If you're doing like September elk or something

726
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: and it's hot out, sometimes it's.

727
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: Hard to eat a lot during the day.

728
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: And this is when some of these like quote unquote

729
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: lowercality calorie foods or higher fat foods can help you

730
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 2: just get a lot. I mean it's hard to get

731
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 2: a lot of calories with beef jerky.

732
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is super hard to do it.

733
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: So you play a combination of those games. And depending

734
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: on how long your your trip is, things like protein

735
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: matter or don't at all. Right, if you're out there

736
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: for four or five days, like protein content doesn't matter. Yeah,

737
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: if it makes your stomach set a little bit better

738
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 2: or feel it fine, if you're out for thirteen, fifteen,

739
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: twenty one day, then you can probably should start taking

740
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 2: attention to protein a little bit. But from those guys,

741
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 2: get protein in as you feel good, as you you know,

742
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 2: as you like it to taste and stuff. But really

743
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 2: this is a total calorie game. You're split between carbs

744
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 2: and fat. I don't know how much difference at Actually,

745
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 2: In fact, I was just with boy I'm name.

746
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: Dropping like crazy right now for it.

747
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 5: Love it.

748
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: I was at rich Rules three or four days ago

749
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: and we were talking about this exact same thing, and

750
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: he's like, man, like, I just don't know how big

751
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,959
Speaker 2: of a deal carbs are versus fat like in these events, yeah,

752
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 2: all Like, I just because we don't have a lot

753
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: of data on people doing stuff like this, so scientifically,

754
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: I don't have a good answer. This is now coming

755
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 2: around in like empirical and practical stuff and what people

756
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 2: are saying totally how you feel, how you feel?

757
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you need to test that, you know, you

758
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: need to test that regularly. You know, we do throughout

759
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: the year, We'll do a couple of twenty four hour events,

760
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 3: you know, maybe a partner relay or something like that.

761
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 3: But man, I you know mentally they something to be

762
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 3: said about it, but physically you're like, all right, hey,

763
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 3: what happens. You know, we did a twenty four hour

764
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: mountain bike relay four people and yeah, man, you go

765
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 3: for forty minutes and then you're off for hour forty hour,

766
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 3: two hours and then you got to get right back on.

767
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 3: So man, it's it's you know, for me, somebody who

768
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 3: loves this stuff is like you nerd out on it.

769
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 3: You're like, all right, let me try eating X and

770
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,919
Speaker 3: drinking X and how do I feel on that last ride?

771
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 3: How are my times? And that type of thing. Man,

772
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 3: I you know, from you know, you're studying the whole time,

773
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 3: and so yeah, I think you've got to do those

774
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: things every once in a while in the off season

775
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 3: to figure out how you're gonna respond in the season.

776
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're talking about people that we directly

777
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: work with and coach, we're.

778
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: Tracking every everything. You have extensive data. We run, really

779
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: advanced sleep tracking technologies, really advanced blood work stuff like

780
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: we know what's going on in physiology. If you don't

781
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: have any of that. One really practical piece of advice

782
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 2: I gave somebody is when you're out for multiple days,

783
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: the biggest problem you're honestly going to run into outside

784
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 2: of your joints to something sore is your gi And

785
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: so when you go from eating you know this this

786
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: way at home, and then you get up there and

787
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 2: now you're eating candy bars all day, you're gonna get

788
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: either diarrhea or tremendous constipation. And so the advice there

789
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 2: is saying like a lot of times there'll be just

790
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: so much discomfort because you're just like, man, I haven't

791
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: pooped in.

792
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: Three days, Like what is going on here? This is awful.

793
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 2: If you're in one of these like events like leadbill

794
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: or something like that, this is going to be just

795
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: like constantly consuming carbohydrates for the most part, and in

796
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: a form that you don't usually take them, in a

797
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: volume way higher than.

798
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 5: You used to.

799
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 2: Yep, this is gonna be bubble guts, this is gonna

800
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: be I just can't anything else anymore. Like I can't

801
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: drink and stuff anymore. I'm losing palatability. So when I

802
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: say g I stuff, I think it's it's kind of

803
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 2: all these combinations of things. So the practical piece advice

804
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: would be one, try to have a standard playbook, right,

805
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: I take four of these and two of these and

806
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 2: three of this, and then like, try to be consistent

807
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 2: every day. Give your gi a chance to go, Okay,

808
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: this is what's happening at this time, yep, and give it.

809
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 5: Try to standardize it once you get.

810
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 2: There, standardize it and try to make it as close

811
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: to your normal routine foods as you possibly can and

812
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 2: normal times, like all that stuff. That's going to give

813
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: you the least You still may be in trouble, but

814
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 2: that will give you the least amount of problems because

815
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: you don't want to be stopping four times a day

816
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,439
Speaker 2: to you know, take your gear off, or again sitting

817
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: there being like man, I need it stomach rock right now,

818
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 2: because I can't be a business going there. So that

819
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 2: that will help a lot of people just like get

820
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: a consistent plan. I eat the same thing if you can,

821
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: or over every day at the same times. After a

822
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: couple of your stomach will adjust a little bit and

823
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 2: you'll feel cool all right.

824
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 3: And then as far as sleep goes, obviously it's not

825
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 3: going to be optimal in the field. So a couple

826
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 3: tips leading up to optimizing is, you know, consistent sleep

827
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 3: and wake times, dark room, cool room, anything else major.

828
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean sleep at home is all about precision.

829
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 2: I mean there's all the little basic stuff like you mentioned. Sure,

830
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 2: that's that's like basical sleep hygiene up. But what we

831
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 2: actually do is we have technology where we can run

832
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:39,319
Speaker 2: full clinical grade medical sleep studies from people in their

833
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: own house, and so we can do that now it's

834
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: actually more advanced technology than you would see any sleep possible.

835
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 2: We run that on people even if they don't you know,

836
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: have huge sleep disorders or don't think they have one,

837
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: because the vast majority of sleep disorders are undiagnosed. If

838
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: you're fact I do this all the time. If you're

839
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: that guy in hunting camp who's like scaring off all

840
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: the bears at night because you're snoring, So yeah, you

841
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: have a sleep disorder. Like that is snoring, even like

842
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: mile storing is not behind right, it's not a guarantee

843
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: sleep disorder, but it is a problem. And so we

844
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: will run these sets on people. It's pretty easy, and

845
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: from there we can give really precise, simple fixes. This

846
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: could be something as simple as changing your pillow, could

847
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 2: be way more advanced, like ten weeks of what's called

848
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: cognitive behavioral therapy or six weeks of tongue exercises you

849
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: have to do real or we might have something that

850
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 2: we see in the environment in your bedroom dand or

851
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: Paul and allergens like it could be big, too small,

852
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 2: But the reality of it is when you have precision

853
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: like that, we can get people really advanced sleep solutions

854
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: and they sleep a whole lot better. So then they

855
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 2: go into those trips not just already trashed, because when

856
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 2: you get out in the field, it's like, Okay, who knows.

857
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: What you're sleeping on or what you're doing.

858
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: You're probably not gonna sleep anyways, just because you're so

859
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 2: excited and namped up. And I mean, I remember a

860
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, I was on a cot and

861
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: we were camping, was there was not a flat spot

862
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: in the mountain I was, but I was like forty

863
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: five sliding off.

864
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: There's no like.

865
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 5: Yep.

866
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: But you're fine because you didn't walk into it.

867
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 5: Sleep trap yep, yep.

868
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: And so manage the best you possibly can in the field.

869
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: And that's that's the different set of answers. But really

870
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 2: really spend the time to make sure you're sleeping. Well,

871
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: there's actually excellent research on what's called sleep enhancement stuff,

872
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: and so sleep enhancement or getting ahead of sleep. There's

873
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 2: probably been thirty plus papers studies that have been published now,

874
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 2: specifically in military groups looking at this stuff. And so

875
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 2: what we're talking about here is when you go into

876
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: situations of known sleep deprivation. Again, this mostly research comes

877
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 2: out of military yep. And the testing here is things

878
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: like shooting accuracy, So very relevant toward to the people

879
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 2: we're talking about now. When you get in those sick

880
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: deferation situations, we know you're going to shoot less accurately,

881
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 2: your decision making will be worse, so on and so forth. Great,

882
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: but if you can batch or extend your sleep ahead

883
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: of time, the amount of accuracy and decision making that

884
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: you will lose during that sleep deprivation is significantly reduced.

885
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: By extending sleep prior to this event. Now, in the

886
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: case of the military, depending on the groups we're working with,

887
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: they don't always get noticed, right, But in this case,

888
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 2: you know you're hunting trek, you know yet you know

889
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 2: your dates. And this research has been done from as

890
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 2: little as three days of extending sleep or sleep banking

891
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: is what you hear.

892
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: This called extension of banking. Yeah, only up to six

893
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: to eight weeks.

894
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: And the amount of extra sleep you get per night

895
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: can be as little as forty five minutes per night,

896
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: up to ninety minutes extra per night. And so what

897
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: I'll say is, like, hey, the week before, give me

898
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 2: an extra hour of sleep per night. Yeah, like aim,

899
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 2: that is our target. And if you do that, you

900
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 2: will not only probably feel a lot better, even if

901
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: you don't feel any better, Because research is also clear

902
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 2: with smiles short term sleep deprivation, your perception will not

903
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: match your cognitive output. That's what that means is you

904
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: will perform cognitively, really poorly. In fact, six hours a

905
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: night of sleep will you'll have a cognitive performance equiebent

906
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: to forty eight hours of consecutive awakening events, but you

907
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: will have zero subjective awareness of.

908
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: That so you won't really and you will think I'm fine.

909
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: I'm actually not that bad, and if we put you

910
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 2: on a sharp shooting test, you would perform.

911
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 3: There you go.

912
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: And so that's what I'm like, dude and invest in

913
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 2: and but the problem is everybody like goes, I'm gonna

914
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 2: be out of town for a week, so I gotta

915
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 2: go all this stuff.

916
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 3: Done and ye stress, stress about whatever got up, family time, yep.

917
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: All of that right, So I get it. I do

918
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: the same thing. Go into a sleeping hunting.

919
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 5: Trip is like surprise.

920
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: But if you can in the three days to as

921
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: long as you possibly can, extending your sleep as much

922
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 2: as you possibly can, I will make a big deal,

923
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: a big difference. Then you just you just get through

924
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: it and be resilient, you know, on the trip.

925
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 4: Cool for me, it's just super hard to stay hydrated

926
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 4: enough and get enough sleep good because I have to

927
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 4: wake up like six times the night.

928
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, by drink anything past seven o'clock at night. I

929
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 3: pissed three times a night.

930
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 1: You shouldn't actually be doing that, I trust me. Yeah,

931
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: we shouldn get there.

932
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: But it's actually sort of a funny point too, because

933
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 2: when you're out and you get five hours asleep or something,

934
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: and then you get up twice to take a leak.

935
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 5: You're like three hours, Yeah, you're three hours.

936
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: That's why I actually like generally kind of recommend being

937
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: a little bit under hydrated. Yeah on those so you

938
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: can get a little better sleep and you know time. Yeah,

939
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 2: but yeah, getting back to camp and then shugging two

940
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: liters of water.

941
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 3: Yeah not the not not the best probably, or the

942
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: caffeine and beta that you're taking in at five six

943
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 3: o'clock getting hyped up for that bull you know it's

944
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 3: about to bugle. That's not great either out there.

945
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't do that at all. Oh really from

946
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: that man?

947
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah we could.

948
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 3: Man, I could sit here pick your brain all day long,

949
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 3: but we want to be uh respectful to your time.

950
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: If you had one blanket, I know there's we could

951
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 3: give thousands a piece of advice, but one, one step,

952
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: one actionable thing that people could take away. What you got.

953
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 2: The kind of a theme we've had today, and I'll

954
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 2: say it a little bit differently, is you will have

955
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: more success when you minimize varias. Right, So whether this

956
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: is kind of try to eat the same thing, it's

957
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: just like you do with your shot. Right, you have

958
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: your routine, your you do a B and C, your stock,

959
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: your whatever. Do the same thing with this type of

960
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: preparation and just try to even if that playbook isn't perfect,

961
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: have a plan, have a plan, and be consistent. We

962
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 2: can adjust the playbook, but when the playbook is different

963
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: every single time, we have no idea of knowing what worked,

964
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: what didn't, what caused you to have the great day,

965
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: a terrible day.

966
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: So and forth.

967
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: So pick kind of a routine even prior to going out,

968
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: whether this is your training and nutrition, your recovery, all

969
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: of it. Be consistent and give it a whack in

970
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: the field and then come back and let's make adjustments

971
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 2: next time.

972
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: But don't program hot. I mean, I heard you talking

973
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: about all the time. We don't know what's going on.

974
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 3: We don't know what. Yeah, if we can control as

975
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 3: many amount of variables as we can, we can pinpoint

976
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 3: one maybe change something that we feel like, oh, that

977
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 3: wasn't it. But if we don't have a baseline or

978
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 3: have something to test, man, I love that. That's awesome.

979
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 3: You got anything else, bird?

980
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, just listen to you in the past. I

981
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 4: know you have talked just about like kind of the

982
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 4: trial and error of everything. And that's kind of what

983
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 4: you're talking about, because like things that we've said before

984
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 4: is even adjusture training times, things like that, you know,

985
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 4: leading up for I always work out late in the afternoon,

986
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 4: so like in your if you're at camp, sometimes it's

987
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 4: tough to get my bodies just up and then because

988
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 4: the first thing, you're right up a mountain, you know

989
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 4: what i mean. So it's helped leading up to wake

990
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 4: up during the dark, get to the gym, put on

991
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 4: a pack, get on the StairMaster, put a push a

992
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 4: sled during that time, just to lead up because when

993
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 4: you're there and every things deprived and it just it's

994
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 4: more second and Nate, you know, it's more kind of

995
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 4: just it's in my brain more. That's like this is

996
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 4: just what I've always done type deal. Then it's totally different.

997
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 4: My body's just in shock.

998
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, physiology is tremendous at pattern recognition. Pattern recognition foresure,

999
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: and you know, we'll I'll give you guys a little

1000
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: bit of a bonus here, but going to your eating

1001
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: and before your workout or after your workout.

1002
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: Thing, right we go here, we go. Yeah, it's pattern recognition, right,

1003
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: like rich.

1004
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: If your body figured out for a long time, we're

1005
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 2: not gonna fuel before we're going to train, it got

1006
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 2: fine with it.

1007
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: If it's the opposite, it's fine with it.

1008
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: Yep.

1009
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 2: What was gonna throw you off is if you're used

1010
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 2: to eating and then you don't eat. If you're not

1011
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: used to eating and then you eat, both of those

1012
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: are going to be bad.

1013
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: Yep.

1014
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: It can do. You can do do the way.

1015
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,479
Speaker 2: We actually just published a study out of our lab

1016
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: on air emittent fasting and training and highly trained people

1017
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 2: who are progressively overloading, like training really hard.

1018
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: It can go find it away five Yeah.

1019
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. I did it for years, man, and I loved it.

1020
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 3: And then it just got to the point where I

1021
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 3: couldn't get enough calories in that eight hour window. So

1022
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 3: you know, I started adding a little small, you know,

1023
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 3: protein shake and a bagel or a protein shake and

1024
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 3: some fruit after you know, a little session, and then

1025
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 3: you know, I've kind of stuck with that. So it's

1026
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 3: a quasi intermit in fasting. But I just feel great,

1027
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 3: no food, working out first thing in the morning. I

1028
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:25,919
Speaker 3: just I like it.

1029
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: Yep.

1030
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 2: And I have we have some athletes who are the

1031
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 2: opposite world record holding athletes, and they either have different

1032
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: chronotypes so that they're just not going to get up

1033
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: in the morning, or even if they do, like they

1034
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: just want a huge breakfast and fuel for the day.

1035
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: And I think we have enough empirical evidence and we

1036
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: definitely have enough signs of the evidence to say either

1037
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: of these approaches whatever works and work. If you're like

1038
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: reasonably consistent, you just want to be the guy who,

1039
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 2: like you know, doesn't have breakfast today, breakfast tomorrow, and

1040
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: then like you wonder why you have these energy crashes

1041
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 2: and lulls. You feel like your system doesn't know what's

1042
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: going on. And we want to be resilient at all

1043
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 2: times for sure, if we don't want to be precious

1044
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: and a liability, and like you don't want to be like, oh,

1045
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 2: I didn't have my breakfast today. I can't, I can't.

1046
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 5: I can't climb that mountain, you know.

1047
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: I don't want Yeah, I'm leaving you, like.

1048
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 5: We'll do that, We'll leave you.

1049
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. But if you know you got to get up

1050
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: at three and get.

1051
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 2: Up the mountain, then you're not going to like some

1052
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: of your trambled legs and toast, you should be able

1053
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: to still perform yeah, but at the same time, you know,

1054
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 2: if your probody performs better my way, it's totally farm there.

1055
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: There's you have options either way.

1056
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 5: Love it.

1057
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, one just one last question, I guess, but

1058
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 4: really for both of you, just the importance or difference

1059
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 4: what's needed what's not needed. Just I think one of

1060
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 4: the big tensions, even like people on the internet whatever,

1061
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 4: it's just like the importance of muscle size and doing

1062
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 4: something like this compared to maybe I don't need to

1063
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 4: do that, I just need to do Zone two training

1064
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 4: the whole time, compared to okay, well you need some

1065
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 4: kind of like explosiveness too to be able to do

1066
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 4: some of this stuff. Just to me, you need it,

1067
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 4: you need it all right, But then some people are

1068
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 4: just like, ah, that's not me. I'm just going to

1069
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 4: put on a pack Zone two for an hour. But

1070
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 4: maybe it comes to that pack out or something else

1071
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 4: where you need that other stuff.

1072
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 2: Just yeah, well, I mean I think I don't know.

1073
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: Twenty years across it has made this answer pretty clear.

1074
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1075
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to be pretty well rounded and lots

1076
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 2: of volume over multiple days. I wouldn't do fifty hours

1077
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 2: of cycling. I wouldn't do powerlifting.

1078
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 5: Either yep, all of it.

1079
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a.

1080
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 2: Pretty easy answer. I guess a little bit less tongue

1081
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: in cheek would be, it depends on your own personal

1082
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 2: what I call defenders. Right, So someone like me, I

1083
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 2: don't need any power or strength training prior to getting

1084
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: preparation for these things. I will never be limited by

1085
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: my leg strength.

1086
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 5: Right.

1087
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 3: You don't have those holes. Yep, you don't have those holes.

1088
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 3: You have that background, your body knows you're that type

1089
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 3: of athlete. Those are you muscle fibers.

1090
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 2: And I've literally biops biopsy thousands of people. I've been

1091
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: biopsied almost forty times personally.

1092
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: Gosh literally no, right, I've never been biopsied.

1093
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 3: So there we go.

1094
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: Man, you know how many times people asked me to

1095
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 2: biopsy you over my career.

1096
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 5: Let's do it. Let's do it.

1097
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 3: I have no idea. I have no idea. I mean,

1098
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 3: I I've got the extra science background. I would be

1099
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 3: interesting because everybody's like, are you more type one, type two,

1100
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 3: Type A, type B whatever. I'm like, I would say A,

1101
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 3: but I'm not one hundred percent.

1102
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 1: Sure you're You're definitely fast pitched, yeah, for sure, yeah

1103
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: you are. For but you have other.

1104
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've got some weird skills to recover. Pity some

1105
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 6: other crossfitters that are not that way, right, Yeah sure.

1106
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 6: In general though, if you're doing decent acrossfit, you're very happy.

1107
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 3: We've got to have some some type two for sure. Yeah.

1108
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 5: Cool.

1109
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 2: So the opposite, it's like for me, I need to

1110
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 2: do almost exclusively. It doesn't matter z own one zone

1111
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 2: two zone like that's almost all nonsense.

1112
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: In general for health and for everything else.

1113
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: Like it's I don't give a shit about your zone,

1114
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 2: but I need to do way more volume, way more

1115
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: tissue tolerance. That's all I always do it, Like my

1116
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: joints and soft tissue need to just get used to pounding, pounding,

1117
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 2: so rucking and stuff like that.

1118
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: It actually makes a big difference for me.

1119
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: Other folks, if you're that other side, you ran across

1120
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: country as a kid, you're up in the mountains all

1121
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 2: the time, you're you're a cowboy, or you're a guide

1122
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 2: or something, you probably need zero more minutes of that

1123
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: stuff and would need to do exclusively powerlifting yep, or exclusively.

1124
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't necessarily argue tomic weightlifting, but you

1125
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 2: get the point. Like, probably some plow metrics. I don't

1126
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 2: even know if I would argue interval stuff. You probably

1127
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 2: don't need that at all either. You could certainly do

1128
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 2: it just benefit. But if we're like saying, all your

1129
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: stuff in, give me three days a week, two days

1130
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 2: a week, lift low volume, really high quality, pure strength stuff,

1131
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 2: and you'll probably notice a significant difference getting up and.

1132
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: Down scrambles and and.

1133
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 2: They're because exactly like I said, Rich like, you're just

1134
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 2: not You're you're very deficient in that stuff. Muscant endurance

1135
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: is high, and robo capacity is probably high enough so

1136
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 2: and so forth right there, but you just don't you

1137
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: don't have any horsepower in those So the answer could

1138
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 2: be a combination of both, depending on your background.

1139
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 3: Great, man, I could sit here and nerd out on

1140
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 3: this all day, but we are at an hour, so man,

1141
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. And once again, if your schedule ever

1142
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 3: allows it, or if we were make it out to you, Man,

1143
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 3: I'd love to sit and talk and you know, throw

1144
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 3: out different ideas and try some of those Cossack squad

1145
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 3: to spider stretch, spider Man stretch. I'm really intrigued. Actually,

1146
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,479
Speaker 3: I could do it on my right side, my left knee.

1147
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 3: I don't think I could do it, you know. It's

1148
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 3: I'm extremely limited in the flexion of that knee.

1149
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I hear man. I have whatever. Man, I'm

1150
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: down to do anything. I'd love to get together sometime.

1151
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 3: Cool, let's do it, man. I appreciate it again. Thank you.