Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome to Inside the Studio and I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: My name is Jordan Runtog. But enough about me. My
Speaker 1: guest today credits a message from the Great Beyond for
Speaker 1: delivering his greatest musical legacy. He was mourning the loss
Speaker 1: of his mother to cancer when she appeared to him
Speaker 1: in a dream one night and presented a celestial image
Speaker 1: of hope and comfort in the form of a song.
Speaker 1: The result was Drops of Jupiter, the soaring, inspirational piano
Speaker 1: epic that became an instant classic upon its release in
Speaker 1: two thousand one. It went on to win a Grammy
Speaker 1: that year for Best Rock Song, and two decades later,
Speaker 1: it's still going strong. It's since gone platinum six times over.
Speaker 1: In honor of the song's twentieth anniversary, this year, the
Speaker 1: album of the same name is being reissued with extra
Speaker 1: bonus tracks. Will also be made available on vinyl for
Speaker 1: the very first time. I'm so happy to welcome the
Speaker 1: lead singer of Train, Pat Monahan. Yeah, it's good to
Speaker 1: speak to you too, Jordan's. First of all, how are
Speaker 1: you doing? In the last year has been tough on
Speaker 1: all of us. Have you been feeling have you been
Speaker 1: holding up well? It's been a wave of emotions Jordan's.
Speaker 1: It started with disbelief, moved into anger, transferred into sadness,
Speaker 1: drank a whole lot of wine, a lot a lot
Speaker 1: of wine, got obsessed with getting better at golf, so
Speaker 1: that that turned back to anger. Then uh, now I'm
Speaker 1: back to anger. And in the last month I finally
Speaker 1: found um so uh from for me, there's always a
Speaker 1: song that isn't always the big song, but it's it's
Speaker 1: the defining song on an album, and I finally wrote
Speaker 1: that defining song, so now I know what the album is.
Speaker 1: So now for the last three weeks, I've been really encouraged,
Speaker 1: and it just happens to be at the same time
Speaker 1: that you know, herd immunity seems to be working and
Speaker 1: vaccines are happening, so it's just a very uh timely.
Speaker 1: It just seems like it's the perfect time that all
Speaker 1: of this is working out. Plus the weather is getting better,
Speaker 1: so I'm finally in a good place. Oh that is
Speaker 1: wonderfully here. I mean definitely, there's definitely feels like the
Speaker 1: light at the end of the tunnel. He was was
Speaker 1: the song inspired by that, by that feeling of sort
Speaker 1: of like spring is here. Things are opening up. There's hope. No, no,
Speaker 1: not at all. Actually, uh so I was. I have
Speaker 1: a golf buddy and his name is Sydney Rice, and
Speaker 1: he's a former Seattle Seahawk And when we go out
Speaker 1: in golf, even though and please don't tell anyone at
Speaker 1: my golf course, we're not allowed to be playing music
Speaker 1: out there, but Sydney he doesn't really care because he's
Speaker 1: a big, strong guy and if somebody's gonna tell him
Speaker 1: to turn his music off, he'll be like, are you sure,
Speaker 1: and they'll be like, no, not really. So he actually
Speaker 1: is about thirty. I think he's thirty four, thirty three,
Speaker 1: thirty four. He's always turning me onto new music, which
Speaker 1: you know, you would think be the other way around.
Speaker 1: But and so I just was so inspired by these
Speaker 1: young guys doing such cool throwback music that I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I think I think I know how
Speaker 1: to do that. And so this is gonna be a
Speaker 1: very different Train album. And it's all inspired by a
Speaker 1: friend of mine on the golf course. That's awesome. What
Speaker 1: kind of stubs planning for you? Well? I found the
Speaker 1: Seattle band called the Dip, and I just think they
Speaker 1: are the Shi yet. And there's a lot of other
Speaker 1: bands that that he's turned me onto. There's Duran Jones
Speaker 1: and uh, that band is nuts so good, Like I
Speaker 1: can't believe how good all those guys in the band
Speaker 1: can sing. So it's just I'm finding music like that
Speaker 1: like this, and it's like a new inspiration because I've
Speaker 1: been listening to hip hop for three straight years and
Speaker 1: so this is a nice transition. Have you earlier in
Speaker 1: the year, have you been feeling productive musically or because
Speaker 1: that's what I always talk all my friends and everybody
Speaker 1: I talked to say, half the people are super motivated.
Speaker 1: They get up there, make a banana, brother, they're doing
Speaker 1: this or doing that. And then the other half the
Speaker 1: time and thinking, Okay, I got my pants on, this
Speaker 1: is a good day, Like this is that's my my
Speaker 1: achievement for the day. Were you feeling earlier in the year,
Speaker 1: were you feeling really motivated to make music or is
Speaker 1: that back and forth? Yeah, it has not been a
Speaker 1: very encouraging or creative time for me. I've had to
Speaker 1: like wor really work through it, work through those times.
Speaker 1: But you know, when you are kind of an overprivileged
Speaker 1: white guy in the music business, it's hard to find
Speaker 1: someone that you can complain to, you know, Like, so
Speaker 1: I just try to just keep quiet about it and
Speaker 1: wait for the shift. You know. When the shift came,
Speaker 1: and so now I can talk about the prior sadness.
Speaker 1: Instead of poor me, you should feel for me. It's
Speaker 1: more like, hey, I'm I'm back. Oh that is good
Speaker 1: to hear. We can't wait to hear more from you.
Speaker 1: We we're here to talk to you about the twentieth anniversary.
Speaker 1: That's hard to believe. Of drops a Jupiter. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I just wanted to tell you about that.
Speaker 1: I'm out now. I've got more golf stores. I'm happy here.
Speaker 1: Those two all right, I'm because I'm just kidding. I'm
Speaker 1: more of a bowler myself. But incredible song. That song
Speaker 1: means so much to so many people. Has the meaning
Speaker 1: of the song changed for you over the last two decades? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like all music, I think that
Speaker 1: at first it's for you, for the writer, and then
Speaker 1: soon after that it's not for you anymore. It's not
Speaker 1: that's that song is not for me. It was a
Speaker 1: really important part of my healing because I had lost
Speaker 1: my mother and we were desperate for any kind of
Speaker 1: song that was going to make a connection, just so
Speaker 1: we could keep making albums. You know. It's like at
Speaker 1: a time where it cost a lot of money to
Speaker 1: make an album, and the only way someone was going
Speaker 1: to support that, uh, that habit, as you would say,
Speaker 1: was to keep making music that was compelling to others.
Speaker 1: And we just didn't have the goods on that album.
Speaker 1: And it was a very very frustrating time. So when
Speaker 1: Trump's Jupiter was written, it was very quick. It was
Speaker 1: from a dream. It was just basically my mom saying,
Speaker 1: this is what it's like afterlife. Then the song was
Speaker 1: recorded and and put on the radio, and then it
Speaker 1: wasn't for me anymore. It was for other people. I said.
Speaker 1: It came new into dreams. It's funny often that happens.
Speaker 1: If Keith Richard's dream in the Satisfaction riff, you have
Speaker 1: Paul McCartney, you're only dreaming yesterday. But also his mother
Speaker 1: came to him and that's where Let it Be came from.
Speaker 1: Did the words in the music come together or was
Speaker 1: it just a snippet of a phrase of music or
Speaker 1: just a snippet of the lyrics, or was it all
Speaker 1: all there in your hand. It was just all there,
Speaker 1: it was all it was all vocal, melody and lyric.
Speaker 1: And then the next day, you know, putting a very
Speaker 1: primal piano to h to the melody. That is amazing.
Speaker 1: I Uh, it's funny how vivid those dreams are with
Speaker 1: with your late parents there full disclosure, I lost my
Speaker 1: mother to cancer about maybe six months before drops a
Speaker 1: Jupiter came out, and when it it did came out,
Speaker 1: it you know, it obviously has a very special place
Speaker 1: for me for that reason, for that the reason that
Speaker 1: we share. It's it's very interesting how those dreams is.
Speaker 1: I dream a lot. I never remember them, but I
Speaker 1: always remember those when when the couple, but only handful
Speaker 1: of times. Maybe she ever come back to you in
Speaker 1: a dream? No, it never, it never reoccurred. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a really really strange time for me to think
Speaker 1: about it now and to think about that one time.
Speaker 1: Is was definitely didn't seem very coincidental. You know, it
Speaker 1: seemed very like my my wife asked me the other day,
Speaker 1: she said, uh, what do you think happens to us
Speaker 1: after this? And I was like, well, this is not
Speaker 1: like a five minute while I'm in the shower conversation,
Speaker 1: but if you'd like to know. And so we started
Speaker 1: to really talk about it, and I think drops A
Speaker 1: Jupiter actually gave me some type of faith that maybe
Speaker 1: it's not just a dark hole in the ground that
Speaker 1: that's the end. Maybe there's just a waiting pattern afterwards
Speaker 1: that we get to help others. I don't really know
Speaker 1: the answer to all of it, but I know that
Speaker 1: she definitely made a big enough impression, either in the
Speaker 1: time that she was with me or afterwards, that that
Speaker 1: was a real That was a real moment. It was
Speaker 1: an interview you gave I think fairly recently. Were you
Speaker 1: saying the song is as much about your mother it
Speaker 1: is as it is about you and you growing and changing.
Speaker 1: What is the song taught you? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: guess the word faith again. You know, some people have
Speaker 1: religion or god and and some people have you know,
Speaker 1: sports or and I guess for me, it's uh music.
Speaker 1: You know that that music has given me faith And
Speaker 1: something like something happened to me about a month ago
Speaker 1: where I was pretty down, I mean about a month ago,
Speaker 1: right before everything kind of kicked into gear. I was
Speaker 1: like pretty much feeling really bad for myself for super
Speaker 1: super dumb reasons. No, no one would ever relate in
Speaker 1: a way that they should relate. And so I was
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, complaining to a friend about having
Speaker 1: hurt feelings and you know, and things like that. And
Speaker 1: it was among other other friends too. There were there
Speaker 1: three other guys, and I was explaining to them, like
Speaker 1: the feelings that I was going through and I had
Speaker 1: been hurt by people. And what they said to me
Speaker 1: as a response made me remember that I have to
Speaker 1: just have faith, like the universe knows what you need somehow,
Speaker 1: and I just needed to just believe in my friendships
Speaker 1: and believe in the things that matter the most to me.
Speaker 1: And they reminded me that I was being a knucklehead
Speaker 1: and it was really important for me. And so music
Speaker 1: does that for me, like when I hear like that's
Speaker 1: why I listened to hip hop so much. And now
Speaker 1: this new version of or new cycle of music that
Speaker 1: I've been listening to because it's kind of young people's
Speaker 1: stories to remind me that guys my age should sometimes
Speaker 1: just shut up and listen, you know, like we we
Speaker 1: think that the old cat should be heard most, but
Speaker 1: sometimes not so much. Was there somebody when you first
Speaker 1: started out listening to music that really made you think, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I want to do. I want to
Speaker 1: I want to share my voice as well. Well, I
Speaker 1: was the last of seven kids, and my dad listened
Speaker 1: to a lot of jazz records, and uh, my brothers
Speaker 1: would be, you know, using their Beatles records to sort
Speaker 1: out their their marijuana from stems and seeds and roll
Speaker 1: their joints, and then my sisters will be listening to
Speaker 1: James Taylor and Chris Christofferson and uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: got to hear the Ohio Players and led Zeppelin and
Speaker 1: you know, everything that was happening. And uh then I
Speaker 1: found Michael Jackson kind of that was my artist at
Speaker 1: the time, and I was able to sing like him
Speaker 1: and my brother I remember going like damn boy, Like
Speaker 1: you know, he was way older than me. And just
Speaker 1: to think that an older sibling would take one second
Speaker 1: to give you one moment of something pleasant was that
Speaker 1: made is a pretty good sign. That's a positive reinforcement
Speaker 1: right there. Well, I mean, speaking of positive reinforcement, what
Speaker 1: was talking to me about winning a Grammy? The Grammy
Speaker 1: because not only must have been cool, but you know,
Speaker 1: you were handed it by Don Henley and you toour
Speaker 1: in the front row. You know that that you beat
Speaker 1: I think twice. I think they were nominated twice for
Speaker 1: for Best Rock Song. What did that feel like? I mean,
Speaker 1: just taking it to the opposite extreme from from you
Speaker 1: your brother giving you note, your older brother giving you notice,
Speaker 1: to having the eyes of the musical world on you.
Speaker 1: How how does that feel? It was pretty surreal? You know,
Speaker 1: I was not a seasoned guy and how to be
Speaker 1: grateful on a stage, you know, like I learned a
Speaker 1: lot of hard lessons about how to be grateful and why,
Speaker 1: but professionally grateful that's hard to do, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like to be to be gracious on stage?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm I'm not a guy that's going to
Speaker 1: go up there and be like, you know, these awards
Speaker 1: are bullshit, bro, Like I'm here just because, um, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's just not who I've ever been. And uh,
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that my my mother got
Speaker 1: some props because she probably wrote the thing, and um,
Speaker 1: I don't remember it. You know. It was just such
Speaker 1: a blowing, forceful, just a sketch of a moment that
Speaker 1: was so quick that I don't remember much about it,
Speaker 1: except for being backstage and having my picture taken, but
Speaker 1: knowing that the photographers were waiting for the next hot
Speaker 1: chick to come in that was far more interesting than
Speaker 1: I was that, so I just wanted to get the
Speaker 1: heck out of There's all about those moments. I guess
Speaker 1: I want to ask you. I read, do the best
Speaker 1: songs come quickly? The ones that you almost don't even
Speaker 1: have to work on? I guess, like drops the Jupiters.
Speaker 1: I think I read that you said, Hey, Soul's sister
Speaker 1: came almost equally as fast as that does? That Is
Speaker 1: that usually a sign for you that those are the
Speaker 1: ones that just are almost delivered fully formed? It? Does?
Speaker 1: They do have that in common. I'm not good at
Speaker 1: recognizing high quality things like that or whatever the thing
Speaker 1: would be. Uh, I don't. I'm not good at recognizing
Speaker 1: songs that could potentially be hits. Um. I'm the worst
Speaker 1: at it. And I'm not good at titling songs like
Speaker 1: I called it Drops a Jupiter because it was such
Speaker 1: a such an interesting three words, like it was the
Speaker 1: most interesting three words in the whole composition. How do
Speaker 1: you call it? You know? Tell me like that's just
Speaker 1: not that interesting to me, but I was. I was
Speaker 1: asked to change it, to tell me over and over
Speaker 1: and over again, until it was called drops the Jupiter
Speaker 1: in parentheses tell me anyway. Um, I don't know why
Speaker 1: things come fast. Well, I guess they're just supposed to
Speaker 1: be there. I mean a song like Troups the Jupiter
Speaker 1: to me, it's it's so poetic and so specific, which
Speaker 1: I guess in a lot of cases that sometimes leads
Speaker 1: to misinterpretations because it's so specific. Are there any myths
Speaker 1: or mistakes that people have about it that you might
Speaker 1: want to clear up involving I don't know, soy lattees
Speaker 1: or fried chicken or falling from a falling star or something.
Speaker 1: Is there anything for the ages that you would like
Speaker 1: to to clear up now about that song? Yeah, those
Speaker 1: are all things. So I was definitely asked to get
Speaker 1: rid of soy latte hundred percent asked to get rid
Speaker 1: of fried Chicken. It's fall for a shooting star and
Speaker 1: not from a shooting star, because the idea was did
Speaker 1: you fall for somebody that was that looked like a
Speaker 1: better you know, because I had to turn what was
Speaker 1: about my mother into a love song. You know about
Speaker 1: maybe two young people. But and then the last thing,
Speaker 1: my favorite thing is that people really thought I was
Speaker 1: saying and that van Halen is overrated. And so I
Speaker 1: got a lot of this is early this early internet days,
Speaker 1: and so I got a lot of hate mail about
Speaker 1: you know, you got a lot of nerve, bitch van
Speaker 1: Halen rules you still compared to van Halen. I'm Michael,
Speaker 1: I don't even I don't even know why you're mad
Speaker 1: at me? What does this even mean? And then I
Speaker 1: found out that they thought I was saying. It's so
Speaker 1: funny because like Sammy Hagar and I have been friends
Speaker 1: for fifteen years, and I used to golf with with
Speaker 1: Eddie van Halen, and it's just so cute that that was.
Speaker 1: I adore those guys. You know, I never met the
Speaker 1: other Fellows, but I love that band. What were they
Speaker 1: like to golf with? That's that's amazing. He's just you know,
Speaker 1: Eddie was such a quiet, mild mannered guy, you know
Speaker 1: he was. I don't know if that was in the
Speaker 1: second half of his life or if that's just you know,
Speaker 1: who he was when I knew him. But he was
Speaker 1: just so sweet. Man. I want to invite to one
Speaker 1: of your golf games. You've got a good got a
Speaker 1: good going, You're good. I'm kidding. My favorite guy to
Speaker 1: golf with a the whole world is George Lopez. He is.
Speaker 1: He has a charity tournament every year. I hope he
Speaker 1: has it this year because it's my favorite thing to
Speaker 1: do in the whole world. Oh man, is it later
Speaker 1: on the year? I hope that happens and he's Actually
Speaker 1: he's why I know Eddie van Halen is because of George.
Speaker 1: WHOA how was that introduction? I met George at a well.
Speaker 1: I was on the George Lopez Show with Hay soul
Speaker 1: Sister the same day that that Cheech and Chong were on.
Speaker 1: So that was a huge day for me because I
Speaker 1: I love all three of those guys. And then I
Speaker 1: didn't see George for years and didn't realize that he
Speaker 1: was into golf and I had just started to get
Speaker 1: into golf. So uh, we were on this San Francisco
Speaker 1: golf slash cooking show together and then we just stayed
Speaker 1: friends and we're very close. Now. I hope that that
Speaker 1: opens up soon. Now pouring opens up soon as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that's got to be tough. This
Speaker 1: last year and not being able to for so many reason.
Speaker 1: Nothing of the engage with your friends. What's filled that
Speaker 1: space for you? Have you been big on social media
Speaker 1: just in keeping you know, in contact with all the
Speaker 1: people that love you and your music? Uh? You know,
Speaker 1: I mean I think early on we did some TikTok
Speaker 1: stuff and tried to stay socially active. But honestly, Jordan's
Speaker 1: I think sometimes it's good for people to go away
Speaker 1: for a little while, and so I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a bad thing to be missed. I think it's endearing
Speaker 1: and and adds here's the thing, it's a beautiful part
Speaker 1: of humanity. If I can come back with an album
Speaker 1: that is worth a ship, then I missed and it's
Speaker 1: worth the weight. Otherwise, you know, Oh, we really missed you,
Speaker 1: And I just heard that new crappy song. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'd rather it was like, Man, we really missed you,
Speaker 1: and you're still my favorite band. This new album is
Speaker 1: just my favorite. That's going to be. That is what
Speaker 1: I lived for. How the Zoom songwriting session has been going.
Speaker 1: Has that been working for you? You are more solitary.
Speaker 1: Do you like doing it on your own? First? I've
Speaker 1: been pretty bummed out about the zoom writing until about
Speaker 1: a month ago, and then I was like, man, it's
Speaker 1: working out. It's working for me. I love it. I'm
Speaker 1: just good with it, uh, because it gets lonely. I'm
Speaker 1: like in my studio now and I like interacting with people,
Speaker 1: and and you know, half the time we're together, we're
Speaker 1: just trying to make each other laugh, and then there's
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes of work. So this this way, I just
Speaker 1: have to get to work more often, and that's not
Speaker 1: as fun. But I'm learning how to do it better
Speaker 1: and and manage my my loneliness, you know, and turning
Speaker 1: it into fuel. Do you have a rough idea of
Speaker 1: when when fans can expect the new album or EP
Speaker 1: or single or is that that's still a little further
Speaker 1: down the line. I feel like it shouldn't be until
Speaker 1: after the summer, you know. I mean, we're we're planning
Speaker 1: on a big summer tour for two thousand twenty two
Speaker 1: in amphitheater around the country and going into Europe and Australia.
Speaker 1: And you know, I haven't have still haven't been to
Speaker 1: South Africa and meet so many South Africans that are like, man,
Speaker 1: your music is just so big and we've just never
Speaker 1: been there. I'd love to stop saying that. So I
Speaker 1: think that Fall would make a lot of sense to
Speaker 1: have a first single, maybe put the album out in
Speaker 1: November perhaps, and then by the time the concert tickets
Speaker 1: come for sale, you can buy the album and it
Speaker 1: all all makes sense, and people will start looking forward
Speaker 1: to that Summer Vibes, because this is a Summer Vibes
Speaker 1: album for sure. I at the other end of the spectrum,
Speaker 1: I read that you were filming a movie based on
Speaker 1: I believe your Christmas album, Christmas and Tahoe. Do I
Speaker 1: have that right? Yeah, they're you know, we're gonna shoot
Speaker 1: a movie for it. I still haven't seen the script,
Speaker 1: and I was hoping that I would see it by now,
Speaker 1: because it'll be shot in Tahoe obviously, and they still
Speaker 1: have snow, so I don't know how much longer they'll
Speaker 1: have snow, but I ink snow is going to be
Speaker 1: an important part of the whole Christmas and Tahoe experience.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and then my friend Neil McDonough, who's an
Speaker 1: extraordinary actor who you've seen a hundred times in a
Speaker 1: hundred movies and was one of the really good, bad
Speaker 1: guys in yellow Stone. He asked me to be in
Speaker 1: a movie, and so about two months ago I went
Speaker 1: and shot I'm in the first scene of a movie
Speaker 1: called Boon. So I'm excited to see that. Maybe that
Speaker 1: would be the beginning of a you know, maybe I'm
Speaker 1: the next Brad Pitt Jordan. You never know. Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's something you really want to do more of? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would. I wouldn't mind if it was a specific thing.
Speaker 1: And you know, I knew that acting is very difficult,
Speaker 1: Like you have to really really care a lot. It's
Speaker 1: like music where you know, yeah, maybe you get lucky
Speaker 1: and have one song do well. But honestly, if you
Speaker 1: want to be good at it, you need to commit
Speaker 1: your life to it. So I don't know that I
Speaker 1: can commit my life to acting, and I know that
Speaker 1: I have the talent to be good at both things,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't mind trying once in a while. One
Speaker 1: of the things been keeping me saying during lockdown is
Speaker 1: watching a lot of movies. Have you been watching a lot? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's another thing that my friend Sydney Rice. I go, hey, Sydney,
Speaker 1: do you watch Netflix? And he said, I have watched Netflix,
Speaker 1: meaning to I have already watched a Netflix. I feel
Speaker 1: like that, that's what I feel like. We just revisited
Speaker 1: the the First Coming to America with my kids so
Speaker 1: that we could watch the second one. So oh now
Speaker 1: that's awesome. Oh my god. Yeah. No, I've been meeting
Speaker 1: to watch that do a little like musical and TV
Speaker 1: comfort food. Like I just like watched All of the
Speaker 1: Wonder Years, which I haven't seen like since it came out,
Speaker 1: which was strange, well a long time coming. I have
Speaker 1: to watch A Night in Miami because Leslie Odom Jr.
Speaker 1: Is a friend, and he just was nominated for an
Speaker 1: Oscar today. So out of my respect for what a
Speaker 1: talent he is and the fact that UM such a
Speaker 1: huge Sam Cook fan, I have to see the movie.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's taking. If you're especially if you're
Speaker 1: a Sam Cook fan, you're gonna love it. Have you
Speaker 1: seen so good? Yeah, it's it's really incredible. Well, my
Speaker 1: last question, and we've been asking everyone this question has
Speaker 1: been really fascinating to hear everybody's very different answers. If
Speaker 1: you could snap your fingers and have everything go back
Speaker 1: to normal, whatever your definition of normal is, call it,
Speaker 1: say what would be the first thing that you would do,
Speaker 1: places you'd go, people you'd hug. What would it be?
Speaker 1: Uh Well, my real, honest answer is that my relationships,
Speaker 1: the closest relationships in my life, have suffered a great
Speaker 1: deal because of COVID, because we've all thought of it
Speaker 1: in different ways, none of us being irresponsible, but some
Speaker 1: of us being scared, and that fear has really interrupted
Speaker 1: a lot of the great close love that we had,
Speaker 1: and I would want that back, and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: some work to get that back, because there's a lot
Speaker 1: of feelings that get hurt when there's not communicating about like, hey,
Speaker 1: Jordan's here's the way I'm gonna behave and you're like, okay, cool, Pat,
Speaker 1: I love that, and I'm gonna behave like this and
Speaker 1: we'll meet at the end. It's there's not that kind
Speaker 1: of communicating when it comes to most relationships. It's a
Speaker 1: lot of well that was bullshit. I can't believe that
Speaker 1: they did that without telling, you know, like whatever, whatever
Speaker 1: the thing is. But I I would want the old
Speaker 1: version of those relationships back. That's my snap of the finger.
Speaker 1: That is the most considerate answer we've had, And you know,
Speaker 1: I mean open communication, approaching things with love. I think
Speaker 1: you can't go wrong. It seems like you can't, but
Speaker 1: you can. You'll find a way for it to go wrong.
Speaker 1: We're humans. We're humans, and we we expect it. We
Speaker 1: factor that in and we forgive. And there is light
Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel. Yep. I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be good soon. Man. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: your time today, and your music has meant so much
Speaker 1: to me over the years. Thank you, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that Jordan's well. I have this recorded. I'll
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