WEBVTT - The Girlfriends S5/E6: The Gold Bracelet

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<v Speaker 1>Novel. Last time on the Girlfriends Trust Me, Babe. The

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<v Speaker 1>group chat has grown by one member. He got cut,

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<v Speaker 1>and Derek Aldred is finally in custody.

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<v Speaker 2>He's gonna get what he deserves.

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<v Speaker 1>It's early summer twenty seventeen and Laurie, Wendy's big sister

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<v Speaker 1>detective from episode one, is at home in Texas.

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<v Speaker 3>I am in my kitchen making dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>Laurie's barefoot, hair up in a ponytail, wooden spoon in hand.

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<v Speaker 3>Five o'clock news comes on on my little kitchen TV,

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<v Speaker 3>kind of in the background.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm doing my thing.

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<v Speaker 1>She's just stirring the orange chicken sauce into the walk

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<v Speaker 1>when her ears perk up.

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<v Speaker 3>I whip around and I'm thinking, surely I heard that wrong. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>that looks like him, and that's his name, Derek Aldred.

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<v Speaker 1>Wooden spoon still in one hand. Laurie turns the gas

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<v Speaker 1>stove off and pivots towards the TV.

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<v Speaker 3>I go over and I'm watching and it shows pictures

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<v Speaker 3>of him, pictures of him in like some navy uniform.

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<v Speaker 1>She moves closer, leans her elbows on the kitchen counter

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<v Speaker 1>to get a better look. It really is that loser,

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<v Speaker 1>her sister Wendy dated back in twenty thirteen on the news.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know the weirdest part, this whole takedown of Derek,

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<v Speaker 1>It's all happened just down the road from where Wendy's

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<v Speaker 1>sister Laurie lives.

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<v Speaker 4>Literally about three miles from my house.

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<v Speaker 1>Laurie is immediately on the blower to Wendy.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, are you sitting You're not going to believe.

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<v Speaker 2>This, and She's like, he was arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how Wendy, here's the news.

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<v Speaker 2>We are just going nuts.

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<v Speaker 5>No way, I cannot believe all this is happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, just a handful of miles from Laurie, we'll get more.

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<v Speaker 6>Couple, will take your caught off.

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<v Speaker 1>Derrek Audred has been marched to the County jail house

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<v Speaker 1>in Fort Worth. Well. He's now face to face with

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<v Speaker 1>Special Agent Mike, whose planned to catch Derek at the

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<v Speaker 1>hospital with Tracy's help. Has all fallen into place a Mike.

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<v Speaker 7>Anyway, we knew that we were never going to get

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<v Speaker 7>him to admit that he was doing anything. The strategy

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<v Speaker 7>was to confront him.

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<v Speaker 6>And let me ask you, have you ever served in

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<v Speaker 6>the military, Have you ever been in law enforcement before. No, okay,

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<v Speaker 6>do you wear uniforms of military personnel? Don't? I don't.

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<v Speaker 6>Never I happened to pass, but I mean yeah, I

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<v Speaker 6>mean last week, last week, not last month, not last year.

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<v Speaker 7>He had no idea that I had pictures of him

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<v Speaker 7>on Dorry's balcony wearing uniform, which was like literally a

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<v Speaker 7>week prior. And I remember putting that picture down and

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<v Speaker 7>his response was.

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<v Speaker 6>I can tell you this much. I never wore this

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<v Speaker 6>in public anywhere. And that's a I don't even know

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<v Speaker 6>how that was taken. That's that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 7>He's loosening his tie up. He's kind of sitting back.

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<v Speaker 7>You can see his demeanor change.

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<v Speaker 6>Military ideas now even bake counterfeit anything like that.

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<v Speaker 7>And think so now, every chance we confronted him on anything,

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<v Speaker 7>it was a denial or a lie or some sort

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<v Speaker 7>of story.

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<v Speaker 6>You have these credentials here and you had this navy No, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 6>and what were you going to do with these here?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 6>I haven't done anything with.

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<v Speaker 7>Him Nowhere was he remorseful for anything. No where did

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<v Speaker 7>he take responsibility for anything.

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<v Speaker 8>In particular as the Rangers ticket, we were able to

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<v Speaker 8>pull some footage clearly you are showing idea and insisting

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<v Speaker 8>now you're military and gaining something, which is the equivalent

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<v Speaker 8>of stolen valor.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't like.

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<v Speaker 7>This is a guy who's a professional liar. He's a

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<v Speaker 7>professional con man.

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<v Speaker 8>I think in the last twenty minutes you have lied

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<v Speaker 8>to our face about fifty times.

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<v Speaker 6>Guys, I just told you, I told you the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Special Agent Mike is looking for the truth, the whole truth,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's not going to find it in this interview room.

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<v Speaker 9>Why would all of these people say this, Then there

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<v Speaker 9>is evidence of it happening. Then there's videos and pictures

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<v Speaker 9>of you doing it.

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<v Speaker 6>Guys, look look at.

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<v Speaker 7>When I there's nothing that we're going to do inside

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<v Speaker 7>the interview room that's going to get him to have

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<v Speaker 7>an AHA moment. Go, you're right, I did do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But Mike's not going to give up that easily. He's

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<v Speaker 1>about to discover there's a whole army of women who've

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<v Speaker 1>been working on this case since long before he began.

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<v Speaker 7>Every single one of them kept their records, kept documents,

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<v Speaker 7>kept pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and one more thing, Derek did, what are you

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<v Speaker 1>thinking they don't play in Texas? I'm Anna Sinfield and

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<v Speaker 1>from the teams at Novel and iHeart Podcasts. You're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the final episode of The Girlfriends Trust Me.

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<v Speaker 10>Babe, Episode six, The Gold Bracelet.

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<v Speaker 1>Derek is arrested on June first, twenty seventeen, and over

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<v Speaker 1>the months that follow, Special Agent Mike and his team

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<v Speaker 1>continue their investigation. It takes them all over the country,

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<v Speaker 1>spans years of Derek's life, and as their evidence grows,

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<v Speaker 1>so does their charge list. Within a few months, the

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<v Speaker 1>indictment is ten charges long felon in possession of a firearm,

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<v Speaker 1>access to vice, fraud, aggravated identity theft, male fraud, and

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence looks pretty damning, so damning in fact, that

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<v Speaker 1>Derek takes a plea deal. He pleads guilty to just

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<v Speaker 1>three charges, and all three of them pertain to Dorry,

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<v Speaker 1>two counts of aggravated identity theft and one count of

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<v Speaker 1>mail fraud for using Dorry's address and claiming it was his.

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<v Speaker 1>The question on everybody's mind now will the punishment fit

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<v Speaker 1>the crimes.

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<v Speaker 7>Every reaction I got from almost everybody was he's going

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<v Speaker 7>to get out and he's going to do it again.

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<v Speaker 7>If you look over the years, he got a slap

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<v Speaker 7>on the wrist for every single thing he did, and

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<v Speaker 7>he never spent any significant amount of time in jail.

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<v Speaker 7>I can't blame them from being skeptical.

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<v Speaker 1>But this time the prosecuting team have got a plan.

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<v Speaker 1>Those three charges are only about Derek's crimes against Dorry

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<v Speaker 1>in the colony, but when you look at all the evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>you can see plainly there's a pattern. It's the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing he did to so many women for years. The

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<v Speaker 1>prosecution thinks they can make the case that when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes time to decide on Derek's sentence, the judge should

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<v Speaker 1>take all of that history and loss into consideration. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a legal concept known as relevant conducts. If the judge agrees,

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<v Speaker 1>instead of the typical three years in prison for mail fraud,

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<v Speaker 1>Derek could get a sentence of up to twenty years.

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<v Speaker 1>But they won't know whether their plan has worked until

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<v Speaker 1>Derek Hall dreads sentencing hearing the moment his sentence is

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<v Speaker 1>handed down. So it's crucial that as many women as

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<v Speaker 1>possible are able to make it to Texas in person.

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<v Speaker 7>For the victim to get up there and talk about

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<v Speaker 7>some things that were excrucially painful for them. That really

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<v Speaker 7>does sway what the judge.

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<v Speaker 1>Thinks It's Midsummer, a year after Derek's arrest in Fort Worth.

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<v Speaker 1>The prosecution's plan is in full swing.

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<v Speaker 4>It was wild because all of us girls were together.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the evening before the sentencing hearing. Nearly a dozen

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<v Speaker 1>women who'd been scammed by Derek had gathered together in person,

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<v Speaker 1>women who otherwise would have never met but for the

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<v Speaker 1>deadbeat ex boyfriend. They all have in common. They're now

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<v Speaker 1>in a makeshift sorority house preparing for the big reckoning.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a huge, beautiful home. Tracy is there, the

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<v Speaker 1>country girl who is whined and dined by Derek on

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<v Speaker 1>Dorry's dime.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody could pick where they wanted to sleep. I think

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<v Speaker 4>I slept down in the basement or something in a

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<v Speaker 4>god that was a bizarre time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Wendy our DIY detective from Hawaii who sussed out

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<v Speaker 1>Derek scuba diving lie.

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<v Speaker 5>Immediately there was an instant bonding. I felt like I

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<v Speaker 5>would do anything for these women.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's other women you haven't met yet. A doctor

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<v Speaker 1>from Hawaii, a neat clear scientist from Minnesota, a flight attendant.

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<v Speaker 5>They were all delightful. Every woman I met I just

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<v Speaker 5>really liked.

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<v Speaker 1>And though they bond for some of the women. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a shock.

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<v Speaker 5>That was the first time I started hearing about the PTSD.

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<v Speaker 5>So many of them had.

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<v Speaker 1>They all had a different story. Some had lost everything

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<v Speaker 1>to Derek, some hadn't, but they all had one thing

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<v Speaker 1>in common. Every last one of them had been lied to.

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<v Speaker 1>Before long, they're cracking jokes, swapping war stories.

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<v Speaker 5>Didn't he wear those atrocious bike shorts? It leaves nothing

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<v Speaker 5>to the imagination.

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<v Speaker 1>And tearing their shared ex boyfriend a new one.

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<v Speaker 5>The worst thing in his mind would be for a

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<v Speaker 5>bunch of women talking about how bad he was in bed.

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<v Speaker 4>There you go, there's some justice right.

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<v Speaker 1>There, and among them is Vanessa A'm Miley Californian. On

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<v Speaker 1>her first visit to Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>I felt that it was really important for me to

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<v Speaker 2>be involved.

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<v Speaker 1>All the women gathered in that house will have wondered

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<v Speaker 1>at one time or another whether anything Derek told them

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<v Speaker 1>about himself was true and how did he become the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who ruined their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>He was more naive back then and maybe not so crafty.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Vanessa who can give them some of those answers

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<v Speaker 1>because she's Derek's college sweetheart.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to date myself, but we're going all the

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<v Speaker 2>way back to the nineties. I couldn't believe I got Intocla.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nineteen eighty nine and Vanessa is heading to college.

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<v Speaker 2>I was ecstatic when I found out.

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<v Speaker 1>Vanessa's dad owns a Mexican restaurant in La and he's

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<v Speaker 1>protective of her. Her mom passed away from cancer when

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<v Speaker 1>Vanessa was still just a kid, and she'll be the

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<v Speaker 1>first in her family to get a degree. So for

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<v Speaker 1>that first year she lives at home.

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<v Speaker 2>I was miserable. I had maybe made one or two friends.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to meet people on campus. People don't just

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<v Speaker 2>stop and talk to.

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<v Speaker 1>You, except for people like Derek Aldred.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think he said something, Have I seen you before? No? No, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you go to school here.

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<v Speaker 1>Derek has walked past Vanessa while she's waiting for a

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<v Speaker 1>medical appointment on campus one day. He's young, handsome, presents

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<v Speaker 1>himself as a medical student at the same college.

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<v Speaker 2>He's wearing a white lab coat, his name embroidered. He

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<v Speaker 2>said he was studying cystic fibrosis. I didn't even know

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<v Speaker 2>what that was, and I still kind of don't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so strange to imagine Derek in his college years.

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<v Speaker 1>I can hear the same guy who've come to know

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<v Speaker 1>in these anecdotes.

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<v Speaker 2>He really gave off a good impression. I really like

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<v Speaker 2>this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Why they date for a year, and as far as

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<v Speaker 1>she's concerned, he's it nothing weird or of note to

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<v Speaker 1>report until this one thing happened. About six months before

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<v Speaker 1>she's due to graduate. Vanessa is walking up to Derek's

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<v Speaker 1>apartment near campus when she catches sight of him in

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<v Speaker 1>the third floor window.

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<v Speaker 2>He was in his white lab coat with the French

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<v Speaker 2>doors open, and he was throwing everything that was in

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<v Speaker 2>his apartment out of the window.

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<v Speaker 1>Vanessa watches from the street below, obscured from view behind

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<v Speaker 1>a tree.

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<v Speaker 2>I see him throwing this Carrera marble top table out

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<v Speaker 2>the window.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff her dad had lent him.

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<v Speaker 2>This table that my dad loved. He must have spent like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, thousand bucks on it, a lamp. I

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<v Speaker 2>gave him this antique typewriter because I felt like he

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<v Speaker 2>could use that for his studies.

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<v Speaker 1>Outflies the vintage typewriter.

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<v Speaker 2>My mouth hits the floor. I'm frozen. I'm like, what

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<v Speaker 2>is going on? I left because I didn't know what

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<v Speaker 2>to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Vanessa sits in her car, trying to make sense of

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<v Speaker 1>what she's just saying, and I was like, what do

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<v Speaker 1>I do?

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<v Speaker 6>What do I do?

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually, curiosity gets the better of her.

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<v Speaker 2>I come back to the front of his apartment and

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<v Speaker 2>I see him now, not in his apartment anymore, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's out in the front on the street talking to

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<v Speaker 2>these police officers. He said that someone broke in and

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<v Speaker 2>did that he was not taking responsibility for it. I

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<v Speaker 2>was even more perplexed, like what is going on.

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<v Speaker 1>When Vanessa brings the subject up with Derek later, she

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<v Speaker 1>remembers that he doesn't admit to being the guy standing

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<v Speaker 1>on the ledge, and he still denies it was him

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<v Speaker 1>throwing the furniture out the window. He claims he even

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<v Speaker 1>went to court to testify against the man who broke

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<v Speaker 1>into his apartment, but so far we've been unable to

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<v Speaker 1>locate court records of this standing on the street that day,

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<v Speaker 1>Vanessa felt sure it was him.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so fond of him and so in love

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<v Speaker 2>with him, and I was so attached to the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of building a family with him that I let it go,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>Vanessa finishes college six months later, graduates, and afterward it's

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<v Speaker 1>Derek that she wants to celebrate with.

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<v Speaker 2>I blew off all my friends, all the sorority girl,

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<v Speaker 2>even my dad, to be with him, just him.

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<v Speaker 1>It's after the graduation festivities are over that the other

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<v Speaker 1>shoe drops. They're sitting in his car. Derek is about

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<v Speaker 1>to leave Los Angeles to visit his parents.

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<v Speaker 2>I kiss from goodbye and he's like, I'll see you soon,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when I get back. I never heard from

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<v Speaker 2>him again. Literally, he fell off the face of the earth.

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<v Speaker 1>They've been dating for a year and a half, Vanessa's

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<v Speaker 1>first serious relationship, the guy she was in love with.

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<v Speaker 1>But one of the worst parts of all of this,

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<v Speaker 1>Vanessa soon realized, wasn't just the loss of her boyfriend

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<v Speaker 1>or the life she had been imagining with him. It

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<v Speaker 1>was something else Entirely.

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<v Speaker 2>On the night of my graduation, Derek said, Oh, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I'll borrow that, you know, to go with my suit.

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<v Speaker 1>A gold bracelet. When Vanessa's mum died she was just

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<v Speaker 1>nine years old, her father gathered together all her mum's

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<v Speaker 1>gold jewelry, had it melted down and reformed into a bracelet,

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<v Speaker 1>a thick Cuban style chain.

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<v Speaker 2>It was kind of masculine, bracelet. A man or a

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<v Speaker 2>woman could wear it.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, Vanessa's dad intended to wear it, but in

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<v Speaker 1>the end he had gifted it to Vanessa. And now

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<v Speaker 1>Derek wondered if he could borrow it, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was happily just like, yes, borrow it, but don't forget

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<v Speaker 2>to give it back. Of course, he forgot to give

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<v Speaker 2>it back.

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<v Speaker 1>When he left, the bracelet disappeared with him. For years,

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<v Speaker 1>she wondered what had happened, and then one day, about

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years later, bored at work.

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<v Speaker 2>I decided to google his name, you know, just out

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<v Speaker 2>of sheer curiosity. What's he doing? Where is he? Is

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<v Speaker 2>he married? You know, I'm expecting maybe a LinkedIn profile

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<v Speaker 2>or Facebook link, But instead I see a news article.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, no, wonder he just disappeared.

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<v Speaker 1>Before she knows it, Like every woman in that group chat,

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<v Speaker 1>She's on the phone to Cindy.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I want to get on board with her and

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the girls to try to fight together?

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<v Speaker 2>And at first I was like, no.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of reasons to leave this in

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<v Speaker 1>the past. But as she learns more and more about

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<v Speaker 1>Derek's trail of destruction.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, you know what, Yes, maybe I'll get my

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<v Speaker 2>bracelet back.

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<v Speaker 1>And now here she is in a house in Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>surrounded by the women who came after her.

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<v Speaker 2>We bonded and we told stories. One girl was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he told me he was an attorney, and then another

0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:13.920
<v Speaker 2>girl was like, no, no, no, he was a firefighter.

0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:16.640
<v Speaker 2>He was wearing a white lab coat with me, and

0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:21.000
<v Speaker 2>he was wearing a naval officer uniform with someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>There were like eight different names that he used for

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<v Speaker 2>each different girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Derek cool Right, Derek Cooldread, Richard Aldridge, Steel Aldridge, Richie Peterson,

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<v Speaker 1>Richie Taylor.

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<v Speaker 2>And even though maybe he was a different persona, it

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<v Speaker 2>was so relatable and being this persona that we thought

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<v Speaker 2>we were in love with, we had a lot of

0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:49.520
<v Speaker 2>spirit in us. We had a lot to fight for.

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<v Speaker 1>Tomorrow they'll learn whether it all pays off, and Vanessa

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<v Speaker 1>will get the chance to look Derek in the face.

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<v Speaker 2>That was my moment of truth. This person has been

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<v Speaker 2>deceiving people since he was a young man, and it

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<v Speaker 2>needs to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the morning of August twenty second, twenty eighteen, in Sherman, Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>The women arrive at the old, very pretty courthouse.

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<v Speaker 4>We took a little bus together. I don't think anybody

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<v Speaker 4>ate any breakfast or anything because we were all on

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<v Speaker 4>pins and needles.

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<v Speaker 1>They step out onto the stairs that lead up to

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<v Speaker 1>the entrance, and inside.

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<v Speaker 4>You've got all the old woodwork, the old flooring, church pews.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I saw. It was church pews. The women

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<v Speaker 1>are sitting together in solidarity across two rows, waiting, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the judge has arrived. When you hear those three

0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:19.840
<v Speaker 1>loud bangs, it's like suddenly everything goes completely silent. William Tatum,

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<v Speaker 1>the Assistant United States Attorney in Texas, is the legal

0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:24.879
<v Speaker 1>brain behind the big plan.

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<v Speaker 2>You could hear a pin drop at that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>He's sitting up front with his team as the proceedings

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<v Speaker 1>get underway. Then out comes Derek.

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<v Speaker 4>Just the sight of him, ugh, oh, it just made

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<v Speaker 4>me sick.

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<v Speaker 5>He did not look our direction at all.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not in a pilot's uniform, not dressed as a

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<v Speaker 1>fireman or a doctor. This time he's in a uniform

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<v Speaker 1>he's qualified to wear.

0:21:57.520 --> 0:22:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Derek was shackled, his feet were shackled, his arms were shackled.

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<v Speaker 1>An orange jumpsuit. Derek has already signed a plea agreement

0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:13.240
<v Speaker 1>admitting to the three charges, but it's a judge, he'll

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<v Speaker 1>hand down a sentence, and so the lawyers duke it

0:22:17.040 --> 0:22:21.480
<v Speaker 1>out over what should factor in and what shouldn't. They

0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:26.040
<v Speaker 1>argue over whether Derek has really accepted responsibility for his actions.

0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:30.359
<v Speaker 1>Despite his guilty plea, Derek is still claiming that he

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<v Speaker 1>did in fact have authorization to use some of the

0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:40.920
<v Speaker 1>credit cards. Not him personally, of course, but his alter ego, Richie.

0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:44.480
<v Speaker 1>His defense lawyer, even disputes the idea that Derek used

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<v Speaker 1>sophisticated means to conduct his scams. He argues, there was

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<v Speaker 1>nothing particularly complex about any of it.

0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:54.439
<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 5>He had to have spent hours and hours to have

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<v Speaker 5>created those documents and details and on trucks. I just

0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:05.720
<v Speaker 5>wanted the judge to know this guy was incredibly calculated.

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<v Speaker 1>Before long, Wendy and the others will be offered just

0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:14.760
<v Speaker 1>that opportunity.

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<v Speaker 4>They started calling us to read our victim impact statements.

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<v Speaker 1>First off is Cindy, who's been leading the way for years.

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Then Dorry steps up.

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<v Speaker 4>I was the second one to read my impact statement.

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<v Speaker 4>May seventeenth, twenty seventeen, was the last day I would

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<v Speaker 4>be the trusting, loving, giving person that I had been

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<v Speaker 4>for fifty plus years.

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<v Speaker 1>Derek is forced to listen.

0:23:40.119 --> 0:23:42.280
<v Speaker 4>It was a day that I uncovered that my boyfriend

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<v Speaker 4>Ritchie Taylor, who I now know is Derek Aldred, had

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<v Speaker 4>conned and manipulated me.

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<v Speaker 1>Statement after statement.

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<v Speaker 2>I want my voice to represent those women victims whose

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<v Speaker 2>lives have been turned upside down due to Derek the socio.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe that swindling for Derek is like a drug.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time he gets away with it, he has a

0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 2>deeper desire to do it again.

0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:15.480
<v Speaker 5>He's a master manipulator. He will go to unimaginable links

0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:16.840
<v Speaker 5>to steal money from women.

0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:20.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that Derek understands the fundamental difference between

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<v Speaker 2>lies and the truth.

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:24.919
<v Speaker 4>I've seen in the history that over and over again

0:24:24.960 --> 0:24:27.040
<v Speaker 4>the justice system has let us down.

0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:31.280
<v Speaker 5>As soon as he's free, he will just do this again.

0:24:32.600 --> 0:24:35.520
<v Speaker 2>He must be stopped from ruining other lives.

0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:39.399
<v Speaker 4>No matter what sentence he's given, it's not going to

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<v Speaker 4>compare to the one he's given me. I remember, I

0:24:49.320 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 4>felt real powerful when I said it, like, listen to me,

0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:59.719
<v Speaker 4>you know you're not in charge anymore. I wanted him

0:24:59.760 --> 0:25:01.679
<v Speaker 4>to look me in the face so I could just

0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:07.000
<v Speaker 4>give him that you discussed me. Look, he never even looked.

0:25:09.560 --> 0:25:13.560
<v Speaker 1>When the women finish, the judge turns to Derek and

0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:17.679
<v Speaker 1>ask if there's anything he'd like to say. There is.

0:25:20.240 --> 0:25:23.320
<v Speaker 1>After a bit of waffle to his honor, Derek says

0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:27.800
<v Speaker 1>to say, I'm mortified, and I'm embarrassed, and I'm shamed,

0:25:27.880 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sorry. Doesn't begin to capture really how I feel.

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:34.639
<v Speaker 1>You know, the harm that I've caused some of the

0:25:34.680 --> 0:25:39.440
<v Speaker 1>people behind me. I know the money is really inconsequential

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:44.199
<v Speaker 1>to a degree. I never wanted to hurt someone's trust

0:25:44.240 --> 0:25:46.680
<v Speaker 1>like that to where they would leave me and move

0:25:46.720 --> 0:25:51.080
<v Speaker 1>on about life and have that type of deficit. You know,

0:25:51.200 --> 0:25:56.679
<v Speaker 1>that's the cross that I'm going to carry, and to

0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.960
<v Speaker 1>those people, I'm very very sorry.

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<v Speaker 6>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope at this point that the victims behind me

0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:07.440
<v Speaker 1>can have some peace now, go back home and move

0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 1>on about their lives with a little more a little

0:26:10.520 --> 0:26:15.400
<v Speaker 1>more peace than they've had the past three four five years.

0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Then he brings up my name or.

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:22.640
<v Speaker 1>Even in someone like Vanessa's case, where it's been twenty

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:28.760
<v Speaker 1>five years, hopefully this brings some closure to that. So

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:38.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, and that's all I have to say. There's

0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:42.440
<v Speaker 1>something about that tone of surprise that's jarring to Vanessa.

0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:45.480
<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to laugh at him and like, you know,

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 2>be like you know what really?

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 1>And then it's over. The women have said their peace,

0:26:55.560 --> 0:27:01.720
<v Speaker 1>even Derek's spoken of apologized satisfyingly or not. It's finally

0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:05.640
<v Speaker 1>time for this decade long saga to come to an end.

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 1>The women are lined up in rows knots in their stomachs.

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:22.080
<v Speaker 4>The judge was getting ready to give his sense, and

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:23.200
<v Speaker 4>you can hear a pin drop.

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:52.080
<v Speaker 1>Derek sits in the courtroom in his orange jumpsuit and

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:55.720
<v Speaker 1>a judge cloaked up is ready to deliver the moment

0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 1>they've all been waiting for.

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:05.440
<v Speaker 4>The judge said it, I sentenced you to to eighty

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:09.159
<v Speaker 4>eight months. We're all like, how many years is that?

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.640
<v Speaker 4>How many years is that? You can't have your phone

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:13.679
<v Speaker 4>in there? So we're all like, how many years is that.

0:28:15.240 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 4>One of the ladies in front of us had a

0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:20.880
<v Speaker 4>calculator and she held it up and it's a twenty four.

0:28:22.320 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 4>You got the maximum twenty four years, no parole.

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 5>There was a collective sigh of relief.

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.439
<v Speaker 4>All of us were just like silently high fiving and

0:28:36.480 --> 0:28:39.240
<v Speaker 4>clapping and just like smiles so big.

0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 5>You could just feel everybody's shoulders just lower a little bit,

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.280
<v Speaker 5>like we've been fighting to get somebody to pay attention.

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 5>And this judge got the.

0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Memo alongside the sentence. Derek is ordered to pay two

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty four thousand, eight hundred and ninety two

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 1>dollars and sense. The judge tells Derek, if he could

0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 1>have given him a higher sentence, he would have. I

0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>can't get them their money back. I can't give them

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 1>any other solace. But all I can do is protect

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:20.600
<v Speaker 1>society for as long as I can do so, so

0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm doing. The bottom line for the court

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 1>is I have full belief that if you get out

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:30.720
<v Speaker 1>of jail, you're going to commit these same crimes again.

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 1>That's what your history and your pattern has been. All

0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 1>the court can do is try to protect society from

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 1>your criminal acts, provide adequate punishment for the entirety of

0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 1>your conduct. You have assumed identities and personalities to defraud

0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>the individuals out of some of them large amounts of money.

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 1>In all likelihood, the totality of your criminal conduct has

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 1>yet to even be discovered. You have a pattern, or

0:29:57.240 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 1>it looks like the inability to ever tell tell the

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 1>full truth the courtroom empties, the news begins to spread

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:09.960
<v Speaker 1>to those who weren't there in person, like Lisa, our

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>hockey loving nurse who decided not to go to Texas.

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:16.160
<v Speaker 1>I was so excited that those don't like jumping for joy.

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Lisa can hear the girls celebrating in the background of

0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:20.640
<v Speaker 1>her phone call.

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:22.560
<v Speaker 4>Like we did a girls, we did it, Like he's

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 4>going to Gail now.

0:30:35.920 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 1>All the women we interviewed for the series were among

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:43.000
<v Speaker 1>those who gave statements to NCIS investigators, and most gave

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 1>victim impact statements at Derek Aldred's sentencing hearing too. In total,

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:51.880
<v Speaker 1>NCIS investigators were able to link Derek or dread to

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<v Speaker 1>at least twenty five victims, women from Hawaii, Minnesota, Texas, Nevada,

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<v Speaker 1>calif Women who consider themselves hopeless romantics, don't right ballbusters

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<v Speaker 1>that done it. Dorry was elated.

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<v Speaker 4>By seeing all these girls and how good they were doing,

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<v Speaker 4>and he had gotten through it and we're talking about

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<v Speaker 4>it without, you know, getting real upset. Really helped me

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<v Speaker 4>see that there's a light at the end of the tunnel,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm not a fool. It can happen anybody seeing

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<v Speaker 4>this group of women who are very diverse, but you know,

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<v Speaker 4>all had one thing in common and we just wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to be loved.

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<v Speaker 1>In the years since, there are various relationships with Derek.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the women have found romantic love again and

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<v Speaker 1>some haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Vanessa, I'd say that Derek really kind of kind

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<v Speaker 2>of screwed it up for me and made me not

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<v Speaker 2>really want to trust people. I feel like being a

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<v Speaker 2>part of his big lie really took away the potential

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<v Speaker 2>opportunity for me to be with the right person. My

0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 2>sorority sisters, most of them are married, and they're married

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<v Speaker 2>to people that they dated during the time that I

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<v Speaker 2>dated Derek, and had I met someone else who was

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<v Speaker 2>a real, genuine person, not faking to be someone else,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I could have actually fallen in love with

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<v Speaker 2>someone and maybe had a family, and I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>Derek kept me from that.

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<v Speaker 1>But Vanessa and I also share a fundamental belief the

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<v Speaker 1>love and joy is not something that you can only

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<v Speaker 1>get from romantic relationships. Vanessa lives a beautiful life that's

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<v Speaker 1>filled with love. She has so many friends, close family,

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<v Speaker 1>a big garden which is often absolutely filled to the

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<v Speaker 1>brim with dogs, her own and others.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a pet sitter on the side. I've been doing

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<v Speaker 2>that for about ten years, and I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>She's happy with the trajectory her life has taken since Teric.

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<v Speaker 1>She's put the experience behind her, and I am in

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<v Speaker 1>complete support of that, which is why I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>let her go back to her sweet poaches and sweet tea.

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<v Speaker 1>Just after one question, what do you think he did

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<v Speaker 1>with your bracelet?

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, I'm guessing he ponned it for money.

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<v Speaker 2>I doubt he kept it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll ask him about the bracelet if I do manage

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<v Speaker 1>to get through.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh MG, please, I would love that. Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with Vanessa. Derek is best put behind all

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<v Speaker 1>of us. What are ways of energy? However, as a journalist,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, I will give him a writer of reply

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<v Speaker 1>to some of the allegations that have been made against him,

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<v Speaker 1>which means getting in touch with him in prison. And

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm going to email this guy, I might as

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<v Speaker 1>well ask about that bracelet. Hey, who knows he might

0:34:22.280 --> 0:34:27.920
<v Speaker 1>have a sudden rush of conscience. Anna, I just got

0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:34.359
<v Speaker 1>an email from a prison from Derek. Oh fuck, each

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<v Speaker 1>of the women we have spoken to for this series

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<v Speaker 1>have told us about their individual experiences, so we ask

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<v Speaker 1>Derek to respond to some of their allegations. Derek denies

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<v Speaker 1>that he spiked any drink in Hawaii in twenty fifteen.

0:34:48.680 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 1>He denies that he filed a false police report over

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 1>furniture thrown out of his window in the mid nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite the plea agreement the twenty four year sentence the

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<v Speaker 1>unequivocal words of the Derek also denies the idea that

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:06.880
<v Speaker 1>he stole money from all of these women. One thing

0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Derek does admit is that he lied and cheated while

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<v Speaker 1>dating some of these women. Deplorable behavior is how he

0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 1>describes it. Remember how Dorri's bank refused to refund the

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 1>money Derek had stolen once his sentencing hearing was over.

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 1>She sent them a long and feisty letter, and she

0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:30.560
<v Speaker 1>tells us they promptly reverse their decision on that. Most

0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:32.799
<v Speaker 1>of the women have made some kind of peace with

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 1>the idea that they're unlikely to get their money back.

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<v Speaker 1>But the bracelet, the one made from gold jewelry belonging

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<v Speaker 1>to Vanessa's mother, who died of cancer when she was

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<v Speaker 1>just a child, the one that went missing right around

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<v Speaker 1>the time Derek disappeared from her life in the nineties

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<v Speaker 1>without explanation. That's a bit harder to make peace with.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what Derek has to say about that highly owner.

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<v Speaker 1>Vanessa seems to have a very different view of how

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<v Speaker 1>we broke up and the relationship ended. Let me give

0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 1>you some very clear details of our breakup. And this bracelet,

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<v Speaker 1>which is in quotation marks the only bracelet I am

0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:17.880
<v Speaker 1>familiar with, is basically Derek says he can't remember that bracelet.

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<v Speaker 1>I sense that the foundation that's being established is that

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<v Speaker 1>I took off with this bracelet, never to be seen again.

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<v Speaker 1>This is just categorically not true. I mean, really, what

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:34.440
<v Speaker 1>man wears a woman's bracelet for starters? Maybe Derek really

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:38.200
<v Speaker 1>doesn't remember Vanessa's bracelet. I can tell you though I've

0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:41.239
<v Speaker 1>read his case file. It's obviously not the first time

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 1>he's been accused of stealing or lying. It's not even

0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 1>the first time he's been accused of taking a beloved

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:52.960
<v Speaker 1>piece of family jewelry from a woman he was dating.

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:56.319
<v Speaker 1>And for what it's worth, the only time I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>been able to find an example of Derek copping to

0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:02.600
<v Speaker 1>his behavior is when he's had absolutely no other choice,

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:08.080
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes not even then. Derek has said countless times

0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:11.600
<v Speaker 1>that he's sorry for the pain he's caused, and maybe

0:37:11.640 --> 0:37:15.319
<v Speaker 1>he really is if that were true. One way he

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:20.160
<v Speaker 1>could have made amends practically, tangibly would be to finally

0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:25.200
<v Speaker 1>give a woman who's been waiting thirty years a few answers.

0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:33.200
<v Speaker 1>But hey, because you never know your luck, and because

0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:37.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm an unrelenting optimist, and because stranger things have happened,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly on this show, I have a quick request. If

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<v Speaker 1>you happen to hang out around UCLA in nineteen ninety five,

0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:48.720
<v Speaker 1>if you worked at a gold trader or a pawn

0:37:48.760 --> 0:37:51.799
<v Speaker 1>shop in Los Angeles at that time, and you have

0:37:51.840 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 1>a particularly sharp memory, or if you knew Derek aordread

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<v Speaker 1>back then, or you knew someone who did, do you

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<v Speaker 1>have any idea what could have happened to Vanessa's bracelet?

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<v Speaker 1>It was gold, It had a chain link in a

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<v Speaker 1>Cuban style, kind of masculine looking, not to be a

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:14.440
<v Speaker 1>total true crime, tragic, but someone must know something, so

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:17.600
<v Speaker 1>if you do get in touch, it belonged to someone

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 1>who really treasured it and it's missing. It's important we

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:28.520
<v Speaker 1>are honest about the damage These con artists cause, because

0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:32.360
<v Speaker 1>only then will the victims be taken seriously by the

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 1>law and by the rest of us. These kinds of

0:38:36.719 --> 0:38:39.960
<v Speaker 1>experiences do leave scars.

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<v Speaker 4>I think after going through all this, I'm no longer

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<v Speaker 4>the hopeless romantic.

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:51.360
<v Speaker 1>As for Dorry, she used to read Danielle Steele books,

0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:56.240
<v Speaker 1>She watched the occasional Hallmark movie. Then she met Derek

0:38:56.840 --> 0:39:02.520
<v Speaker 1>and brought his scamming spree to a screech halt. She's

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:03.879
<v Speaker 1>changed a lot since then.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not my life goal to meet mister perfect and

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<v Speaker 4>have the happily ever after. I'm really at peace with myself.

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:17.000
<v Speaker 4>I love myself, I love who I am. I'm perfectly

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:21.520
<v Speaker 4>fine me and my dogs. I really value my friendships.

0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:25.000
<v Speaker 4>I have some really, really really solid good friends of

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:34.839
<v Speaker 4>my life that really really helped me through this, and

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<v Speaker 4>so I'm trying, Oh.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm trying now to make up to my friends that

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<v Speaker 11>were there for me, Be there for them and whatever

0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:55.120
<v Speaker 11>they may need. Be the best friend that I can

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<v Speaker 11>to people that stop their lives to help me, help

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<v Speaker 11>you through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's tough for her, still, Eventually those scars harden.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm definitely stronger now. It's like I'm steel. It's like

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<v Speaker 4>you could say whatever you want. I know who I am.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm happy with me.

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<v Speaker 1>They remind you daily who was there all along. Sure

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<v Speaker 1>you got duped, hurt terribly, but you also mocked up

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<v Speaker 1>the pieces survived it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just hope people learn, particularly girls that might be

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<v Speaker 2>in a sticky situation. We women have to look out

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<v Speaker 2>for each other.

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<v Speaker 5>The number one lesson I learned from all of this

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<v Speaker 5>is to trust my gut.

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<v Speaker 4>Really trusting yourself, not second guessing yourself like I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Always go with your gut feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>It will never steer you wrong.

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<v Speaker 5>I think women are still good at having these instincts

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<v Speaker 5>and being able to recognize them. We're not always good

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<v Speaker 5>at listening to them.

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<v Speaker 1>Girlfriends. If I you're lesbian, agony arms can leave you

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<v Speaker 1>with one message from this series. It's this, know you're

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<v Speaker 1>worth You're better off without any loser making you second

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<v Speaker 1>guess yourself. Trust me, babe, So listen to your gut.

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<v Speaker 1>But for some reason you can't hear it. Here's some

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<v Speaker 1>other advice for you.

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<v Speaker 4>We always say that trust your girlfriends.

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<v Speaker 1>There we go coming up in the next Bone episode

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<v Speaker 1>of the Girlfriends Trust me, babe.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't describe the bashing that the public gave us.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm smarter than this. I wouldn't file for it.

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<v Speaker 4>People are very powerful behind their computers.

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<v Speaker 1>Truly, these techniques they really work.

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<v Speaker 4>They can work on any of us.

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