1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Cardinals territory. Another Saint Louis Cardinals 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: series win. We are recording this on Wednesday, April sixteenth. 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: You're going to see it on Thursday, April seventeenth. 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: Though. 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: The Cardinals took two out of three games from the 6 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: visiting Houston Astros. Another well pitched series, some good things 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: to talk about. I'm your host, Katie Woo, back again 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: with Bernie Miicholas. Bernie, what do you got? 9 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: I thought this was a great homestand for the Cardinals. 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 2: I mean it's not just that they were foreign too, 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,959 Speaker 2: but it could have been so much worse. But they 12 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 2: won the third game against Philly, they won the third 13 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: game against Houston, so they win each series instead of 14 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: losing both series. And I did. I'm very limited when 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: it comes to maths unless I have a calculator, but 16 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: let's just say the Cardinals would have lost the third 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 2: game to the Phillies and the third game to the Astros. 18 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: Their record would be seven and eleven. And you know, 19 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: nine and nine is not like a great record, but 20 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: if you're a Cardinals fan, it's surely preferable to be 21 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: you know, it's preferable to seven and eleven. Right, So 22 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: so in a way those are like big wins early 23 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: in the season because you don't want to get too deep. 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:13,960 Speaker 2: You don't want to get in the mud. You don't 25 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: want to be seven and eleven. I have to just 26 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: like pull your way up from that. So I thought 27 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: they I thought they were two good saves, you know, 28 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 2: for the series. I thought, yeah, you know, you know. 29 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: The phrase winning teams win series, and I thought the 30 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: Cardinals that are I mean, another really well pitched series. Again, 31 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: Sonny Gray was fantastic on Monday, just so dominant, seven innings, 32 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: two hits. Then Eric Fetti comes out, there's a quality start, 33 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: and then of course even Matt Stable get into that performance. 34 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: But when you pitch like that and you continue carrying 35 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: on the rotation the way that it has to the 36 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: last turn, I mean, you're gonna win a considerable amount 37 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: of ball games. And I honestly, I don't even think 38 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: this series was necessarily that entertaining. 39 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: Bernie. I know we talked about it before we turn 40 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 3: the cameras on, but the. 41 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: Houston Astros were like really boring to watch for three days. 42 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: And I know we previewed the Cardinals Astro series with 43 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: Krush City Territory and the Beat writer Chandler is one 44 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: of my good friends, and we were talking about how 45 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: the similarities between these two teams coming into the week. 46 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: But I would call out on a limb here and say, 47 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals are much more entertaining ball club 48 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: right now than the Astros are. I mean, those were 49 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: it was a good series, and I still felt like 50 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: all three of those games were relatively uninspiring, and I 51 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: think that's just the carryover from the way that the 52 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: Astros looked. 53 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: I thought the way the Cardinals, you know, took such 54 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 2: great bats against from ber Valdez was see I get 55 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: into that stuff. And I think because listen, the last 56 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,399 Speaker 2: couple of years, you know, we've all watched so many 57 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: dreadful at bats, non competitive at bats, and so you know, 58 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 2: they go into that the first game in the series 59 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: against Houston's ace or co ace, whatever, and I thought 60 00:02:55,480 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 2: it showed just a surprisingly positive indicator about how smart 61 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 2: they're becoming. Like Valdez is known for his curveball, it's 62 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 2: really good, it's really outstanding. In fact, he'd given up 63 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 2: like one hit on the curveball all season, first first 64 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: three starts or whatever. So I think they I think 65 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: the Cardinals noticed that he was having a hard time 66 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 2: locating it and he was leaving it up a little bit, 67 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 2: and they went hunting for that curveball and they got it. 68 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 2: I mean, they had like five hits on that pitch 69 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:34,839 Speaker 2: and that's basically what ruined Valdez that night. And see, yeah, 70 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: there were and there were some. There were some like 71 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: big hits that were kind of like got the got 72 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: the you know, the crowd off fired up. So I 73 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: just thought, I keep looking for signs that tell me 74 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: this is a different lineup, because it's a lot smarter 75 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 2: and they they go into games, they're looking for certain 76 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: things and if they don't, if they're a little caught 77 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: off guard, then then they seem to be able to 78 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: adjust better than they have in the past. So I thought, See, 79 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: I thought that was exciting. I'm a nerd. I love 80 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So, but it was a workman 81 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: like victory. They beat their top guy. I thought Hunter 82 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: Brown was excellence against Cardinals in the middle game. There 83 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 2: wasn't much they could do with him. 84 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 3: Hunter Brown. 85 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: We talked a lot about the pictures that the Cardinals 86 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: have beaten. Paul Skens Aaron Nola, Zach Wheeler from La Valdez. 87 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: Hunter Brown is just as good and could be even 88 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: better than some of the names we just mentioned. He's 89 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: relatively new and are young in his career. He was dominant. 90 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: I mean there was literally nothing they could do. I 91 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: agree with you. 92 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, he started throwing a sinker to left handed hitters, 93 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: which he hasn't done all the early the season, and 94 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 2: I think the Cardinals this might have been an example 95 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 2: where they were perhaps surprised by what the other pitcher 96 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 2: chose to do. But surprise or not, he was just 97 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 2: really good. And I thought today was a game where 98 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 2: you just did Wednesday. I just didn't know, because, okay, 99 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 2: what would be fair to expect out of Steven Mattz 100 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 2: And I know the astro starter today. You know, he's 101 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 2: had one really good start, but he's gotten beat up 102 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 2: a little bit too, so I wasn't entirely sure what 103 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: to think he would do. But I think the big 104 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 2: question was, Okay, how would Steven Matts pitch after re 105 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 2: entering the rotation, after working how many games? Was a 106 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 2: four or five games in relief? And I think we 107 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: got our answer. He was very impressive. 108 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: He was Steven Mattz five innings, pitched, two hits, one 109 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: in run, no walks, five strikeouts and seventy one pitches. 110 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: He came into the game today on a rough pitch 111 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: limit of sixty five. 112 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 3: It was good to see him get through five. He 113 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: was really efficient. 114 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: What I liked about Matt's is outing is he let 115 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: off the game with two singles up the middle, and 116 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: I think Victor Scott the second would like that cutoff throwback. 117 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: I think on that second single, he'd go to second base, 118 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: not third, and that ended up costing Matt's a run 119 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: because the next play is a ground ball to second base, 120 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: probably a double play ball there. Then you're gonna get 121 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: out of the inning. Instead it's a put out to 122 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: second and a run scores from third. But after that, 123 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: Matt shut the Astros down fifteen straight. Like I mentioned, 124 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: five strikeouts, and I agree with you. I wasn't sure 125 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: coming into the start what was the best way to 126 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: evaluate Matts what would be fair. 127 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: He looked great in spring. 128 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: He's been in long relief, he's had to pitch kind 129 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: of in a role that's relatively unfamiliar to him, and 130 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 1: then he just comes in and he looks like he 131 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: did in spring and it was really encouraging to see. 132 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,239 Speaker 1: We talked to Stephen after the game and he said, honestly, 133 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: like it can be difficult, and we'll get into the 134 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: six man rotation in the second segment of the show, but. 135 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 3: Think about this, Bernie. 136 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: The Cardinals were so intentional about deploying a six man 137 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: rotation that we knew that Steven Mattz's first start of 138 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: the season would be April sixteenth, dating back to the 139 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: last day of spring training. And the reason they did this, 140 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: we'll again get into the majority of the reasons, but 141 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: one of them was to ensure that Matthew Libertour could 142 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: have that consistent starting role in the rotation that we've 143 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: talked about. And if you think about where Stephen mats 144 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: is in his career, he's thirty three years old, he's 145 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: in the final year of his contract before a free agency. 146 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 3: He's a veteran of the game. Some veterans will not 147 00:06:59,360 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 3: take it well. 148 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: An organization comes up to them and says, hey, we 149 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: have to do what's best for the younger guy here. 150 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: So even though you pitched really well, we're going to 151 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: put you in the bullpen and we'll give you some 152 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: starts when we can, but we have to do what's 153 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: what we think is best for this player long term. 154 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: Some veterans could easily be like, uh, okay, what about 155 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: what's best for me? What about what's what's best for 156 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: my contract? I'm going to be a free agent soon. 157 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: And Matt's was, in the words of Allie Marmal, a 158 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: total pro. I'll read this quote because I asked Matts 159 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: after the cameras turned off why that was his reaction, 160 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,239 Speaker 1: why he was so easy going about this, and why 161 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 1: he agreed to it, and basically why he didn't really 162 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: have an issue with it, and. 163 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 3: He said, here's this quote. 164 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: I've had some frustrating points throughout my tenure with the 165 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: Cardinals so far from a personal standpoint, injuries, not having 166 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: the success I wanted this year. 167 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 3: My main emphasis is to enjoy wherever I'm at. 168 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: I'm healthy, I had a really good off season, I 169 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: had a good spring training. I feel really good. So 170 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: whatever they decide, I'm just going to enjoy it and 171 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to compete. I think it's been really helping me. 172 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: That first start, Bernie I mean certainly speaks to that. 173 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I admire you know what he did, and he 174 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: really is a terrific teammate. And the one thing I've 175 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: said about Steven match like in his first three seasons 176 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: as a Cardinal, I mean, he's really really rough stuff. 177 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: He only averaged eleven starts and they per season. They 178 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: signed him to be forty four million dollars to be 179 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: a regular starter, but he kept getting hurt. And the 180 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: only thing I would ever try to say, there was 181 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 2: no really no defense in terms of his bottom line 182 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 2: per formance record because he just didn't he wasn't able 183 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: to bitch enough. But I always tried to say, and 184 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 2: I don't blame fans for being upset that, you know, 185 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 2: the Cardinals weren't getting their quote, getting their money's worth. 186 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: But I always try to make people understand, like he 187 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: he's not trying to steal anybody's money. He cares. He's 188 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: a good guy, Like he's he was more disturbed about 189 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: his inability to do what they signed him to do 190 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,320 Speaker 2: for three years. That really bothered him. I mean it 191 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: really kind of kind of hit his pride. He doesn't 192 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: want to be a bum. He doesn't want to be 193 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 2: a guy that's got a reputation is like, well, he 194 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 2: took the money. Yeah, he took the money and ran 195 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 2: and I think he wanted to really kind of repay 196 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 2: the Cardinals for that investment. And so listen, you're right though, 197 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 2: there was be some veterans that would just raise hell 198 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: about this, maybe not publicly, but they'd raise hell behind 199 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: behind closed doors in the manager's office. But he didn't 200 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: do that. He was a good teammate. He likes his 201 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 2: he likes his fellow pitchers, and he fits in and 202 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: he helps out and he's got a really good personality 203 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: and a really good attitude. So you know, on a 204 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: personal level, I'm really rooting for this guy to have 205 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 2: a nice year because because I again it's not like 206 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: he wanted to come to Saint Louis and get hurt 207 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 2: all the time and be unavailable. In fact, there's no 208 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: way he would have been happy under the circumstances. So 209 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: this is his time, and obviously he still has a 210 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 2: lot to prove. But that was that was really good today. 211 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I agree with you. 212 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: I was happy for him and getting to know Stephen 213 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: over the last three years. I mean, you talked to 214 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: the starting pitchers a lot, because there's. 215 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 3: Really only one day where you can't and then. 216 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: You know, they're in the clubhouse, they're hanging out, they're 217 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: cracking jokes. So I've gotten to know Stephen well over 218 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: his cardinal's tenure. 219 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 3: In each injury, you. 220 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: Could just feel the disappointment like radiating from his body 221 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: each time he wasn't able to answer the bell or 222 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: he had a step back, and you could just tell 223 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: he felt I don't want to speak for him, but 224 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: it almost was like he felt a little guilty that 225 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: he had come over here and he had not been 226 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: able to consistently start. We're seeing a really healthy version 227 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: of Stephen Mattz, maybe some less anxieties, just more free 228 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: flowing going out there and pitching. I thought Wednesday was 229 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: a great first step. We'll see him start at least 230 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: one more time. I think he lines up for April 231 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 1: twenty second against the Braves same day Mason when as 232 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: eligibles come off the injured list. By the way, but 233 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: we still do not know if he's going to require 234 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: some of bats in Memphis or what he will not 235 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: be in New York. 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That's Arena club 261 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 4: dot com slash foul code foul for twenty percent off 262 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 4: your first purchase. 263 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: So we've known for a long time that the Cardinals 264 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: six man rotation would officially start today, and the reason 265 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: that we're seeing that is because the Cardinals are currently 266 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: in the midst from April eleventh to May seventh, just. 267 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 3: One scheduled off day. So up on the. 268 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: Athletic Thursday morning, you should see it, we broke down 269 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: why the Cardinals hope this is the second time in 270 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: three days my cat has crashed the party. 271 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: I don't know where she's. 272 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: Hiding when I start this, but it's like she knows. 273 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: I'm busy, Okay, sorry. 274 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: It's a nice tabby. There's very very pretty pretty girl. 275 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: And the second I have a cat in the next room, 276 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: she was. She was hollering to get in, but I 277 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 2: just had to say no for now. 278 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: I get it because she's not supposed to be out here. 279 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: But my suitcase is out, I'm packing for New York. 280 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: I leave tomorrow, and I. 281 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 3: Think she she knows. 282 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: So with it back to our scheduled on the Athletic, 283 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: we detailed why the Cardinals hope a six man rotation 284 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: will keep their starting pictures healthy. 285 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 3: This is the reason you're going to see the Cardinals 286 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 3: use a six. 287 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: Man Sure, it has a little bit to do with 288 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: working mats in like we talked about, but there were 289 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: many reasons when I sat down with Allie Marmel and 290 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: Dusty Blake about why six man rotation is so important. 291 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 3: And we'll break it down by categories. 292 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: First one, protecting picture health, MLB released or port as 293 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure you all know in December, highlighting the rises 294 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: of pictures injuries and the month where it happens the 295 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: most is March in early April, so that's always going 296 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: to be cognizant in the Cardinals' minds about how to 297 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,359 Speaker 1: protect their starting pictures. 298 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 3: And then we're going to go down another thing. 299 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: The lack of depth presents another layer to consider. The 300 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: Cardinals don't have a tun of depth outside of Michael 301 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: McGreevy that they consider major league ready. So are there 302 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: guys that could be ready at some point like Quinn 303 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: Matthews tink Hens. They're both on the injur list at 304 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: this time. But yes, but if something happened to a 305 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: picture right now, that they feel like outside of Matha McGreevy, 306 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: there's really no option that could come up and be 307 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: a formidable starter. This is going to keep Matthew Libertore 308 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: in the rotation as well. We've talked about this importance 309 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: of this all season. It's been something the Cardinals have 310 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: been really adamant about. And lastly, Bernie, as I'm sure 311 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: you figured out, the six man rotation is. 312 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 3: For now, but it's not forever. 313 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: The Cardinals will reevaluate after the off day against the 314 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: Brave Series. I believe that's twenty fourth and they I 315 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: highly doubt just based on the scheduling, they will continue 316 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: to do it after May seventh. 317 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 3: So now that's good. 318 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: Very it was a very fine presentation. I felt like 319 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 2: I was sitting in a classroom again. 320 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: Like a professor. 321 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, professor, woo, all right, I like it. No, go ahead, 322 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: I'm sorry I interrupted because trying to be a little mirthful. Anyway, 323 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: go ahead. 324 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 3: Well it's okay. 325 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 1: I have maybe five total brain cells right now, so 326 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: we'll just roll with it together. Knowing what we know 327 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: and how this is laid out. Is the city spend 328 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: rotation necessary? 329 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I don't know how to answer that. You know, 330 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: I was talking Olie about this too, and you've spent 331 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 2: more time with him than I did. But you know, 332 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: he pointed out that he thinks his pictures can benefit 333 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: from having that fifth day of rest, and so I 334 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: was doing some research on that because that's what I do, 335 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 2: and you know, I found out and I want to, 336 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 2: you know, hat tip to Mike Pattillo MLB dot com 337 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 2: because back in late January he wrote and he wrote about, 338 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 2: you know, the idea is a six man rotation coming. 339 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 2: It seems like these teams want to do it. But 340 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 2: he didn't have an entire list, but he went and studied, 341 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: like how the percentage of days between starts continues to increase, 342 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 2: Like pictures now are are more and more and more 343 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 2: pictures are operating on five days rest rather than the 344 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: traditional four days rest. And Patrello seemed to think that 345 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 2: that's a sign of things to come. Although there won't 346 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 2: be enough teams that are going to go all in 347 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 2: and the Cardinals aren't going all in. As you pointed out, 348 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: this is probably temporary, but I don't know how to 349 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: have a hard time. I think it's all conditional. Like, 350 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: for example, we all know the worst case scenario is 351 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: if your starters, you know, just get bombed out of 352 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 2: starts early, your bullpens is going to get crushed. And 353 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: Ali said, well, yeah, but we have more flexibility now 354 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 2: because we have more guys that we can send out 355 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: on options. They have options left, so we can be 356 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: more flexible using that Memphis shuttle and so forth. So 357 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I understand his point, but these guys can consistently, 358 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: most of them can give you six innings. Maybe that's 359 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: too much to ask for, but they get enough of, 360 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: say six innings starts. They can make this work. And 361 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 2: I think there are benefits to it, but there is 362 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: a downside. There is a potential risk your bullpen will 363 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: get gassed. So I have to wait and see how 364 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: it plays out. And you know, the other thing too 365 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: is Okay, what do they do? 366 00:16:58,920 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? 367 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: What did they do? And I don't want to keep 368 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 2: picking on Miles Michaels, but what did they do? It 369 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 2: was great on the show the other day, that was good. 370 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: But what do they do if Matt's is pitching really 371 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 2: well and Michaelis has a couple of really bad starts? 372 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 2: What do they do there? How would they justify being 373 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 2: able to like bounce Matts back to the bullpen. They 374 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: could justify it by saying, oh, but he's so good 375 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 2: in relief too, so I I you know, and I 376 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 2: don't think Miles would be. I could be wrong about that, 377 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 2: So that's kind of my take on it. 378 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think for what they're trying to do right now, 379 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: preserving picture health, I think it makes sense because when 380 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: we talked about this in McGreevey didn't make the roster 381 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 1: outside of camp. They really don't have a lot of 382 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: depth in Triple A and sorry, hold on, sure, this 383 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: is gonna be. 384 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 3: A lot You have to go. 385 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 2: Or Baby. 386 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 3: The people what they want, but you have to go. 387 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 3: I'm sure or Baby. 388 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: I know she she knows moms, she knows she's got anxiety. 389 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 3: I know she can use their attitude changes. 390 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 2: Cat Cats always sent stuff. They're brilliant that way. They 391 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 2: know they just know anyway, go ahead. 392 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: But what was really important about this strategy was, and 393 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: this is something that both Ali and Dusty reiterated and 394 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 1: our brief conversations even today, that. 395 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 3: Five days rest is real. All the way through this up. 396 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: Until Wednesday, only one starter one time, Eric Fetty versus 397 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh on April ninth operated on the traditional four days 398 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,199 Speaker 1: of rest. Every other starter, because of the scheduled off days, 399 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: has been able to be on the five day rest 400 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,199 Speaker 1: and that helps everybody, especially early on, especially in the season, 401 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,959 Speaker 1: part of the season where injuries for pictures are you know, 402 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: the most common. And Eric Petty talked about it yesterday 403 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, that extra day of rest, Like, 404 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: obviously we want the ball as much as possible, but 405 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: our goal is to be pitching in meaningful games in 406 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: August and September and October two. So this extra day 407 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,439 Speaker 1: of rest in April is super important. And if the 408 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: Cardinals have a stretch like the next three weeks or 409 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: I know we're halfway through Week one where they don't 410 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: have anything but one scheduled off day, and this is 411 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: going to keep their guys on that five days rest 412 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: and keep them sharp so that they are effective in 413 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: the during the rest of the season. 414 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 2: I get it. 415 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 3: I have the same. 416 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 1: Issues as you with a bullpen that you know is 417 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 1: gonna have to cover innings and could be taxed easily. 418 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 1: But Allie is right. They can use the Memphis Express. 419 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: They have that ability. They also have many multiple guys 420 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: in that bullpen that can pitch multiple innings if necessary. 421 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: Isn't the most perfect plan, No, but the logic behind it, 422 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 1: and I encourage you all to read it in the 423 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: athletic I think is sound, it's solid, and it's justified. 424 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: If someone goes down in the rotation, you have McGreevy, 425 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: and I think everyone's okay with that. 426 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 3: Mcgreevy's ready now to come in the rotation. 427 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: If someone else goes down, who do you have? And 428 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: are any of those options better than what you currently 429 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: have in the rotation my personal opinion, no, so, and 430 00:19:58,359 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: the guys that were supposed to be there that we're 431 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: bought starters, Zach Thompson, Drew rom they're hurt, so they 432 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: really have virtually no depth behind McGreevy. If this is 433 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: what is the best path that they believe is going 434 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: to keep these starters healthy so they are pitching in 435 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: meaningful games in the second half, Doing a six men 436 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: rotation for two and a half weeks is I'm really 437 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: not going to lose that much sleepover. 438 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 2: No, I there is no question about it. The Cardinals 439 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 2: are very thin on depth right now. And I'm not 440 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: trying to say that Quinn Matthews was on the verge 441 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 2: of being called up and certainly Tink Hence is not. 442 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 2: But you know, some of my friends who follow prospects 443 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 2: and are really knowledgeable, thought that, hey, you know, Cooper 444 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 2: Jeapy will be up here. He's really good. So they've 445 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 2: got so the all three of those guys are sidelined, 446 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 2: you know, you know, for example, a guy that could 447 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: have maybe emerged as a depth option later in the season, 448 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 2: a guy like Japy, he's got that weird delivery that 449 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: you know, the fuddles hitters. He's not an option. Hence 450 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 2: is not an option. Matthews is not an option, and 451 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 2: you know they're going to be really really careful with him. 452 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 2: To co Roby's been really impressive. Now is he moving 453 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna use the word runway. Is he moving up 454 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: on the runway a little bit? I mean, he's been 455 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: really impressive, but I'm not saying, Okay, he's ready for 456 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 2: the majors, but he's worth monitoring for sure. It's been 457 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 2: pretty it's been pretty great what he's been able to 458 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 2: do so far. 459 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: He's nasty, he's got great stuff. The issue with Tako 460 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: Robi's that he's only thrown forty innings. In the last 461 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: two years, so they have to build him up. They're 462 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: not going to just rush him and throw them in there. 463 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: He has to build some sort of a foundation. And 464 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: for those of you who missed it, twenty twenty two 465 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: first round pick Cooper Jerpy, the organization announced on Tuesday 466 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: he underwent season ending Tommy John surgery. His timeline it 467 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: will be back hopefully midway through twenty twenty six. Really 468 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: disappointing news for Jerpy. Matthews is on the injured list 469 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: as well. That's just kind of more of a general 470 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: soreness and they don't think it's going to be super long. 471 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: Tink Hens of course, started the year on the il 472 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: with right ribcage discomfort or strain. 473 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 3: So yeah, really they're not lying to you this time. 474 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: The Cardinals don't have a ton of up outside of mcgreeby, 475 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: and they really need to preserve their starting pitching so 476 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: that if mcgreeby starts pitching well and forces away in 477 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: the conversation, that's a different story. But right now his 478 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,719 Speaker 1: biggest value is in Memphis because the second something goes down, 479 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:15,479 Speaker 1: they're gonna need them. 480 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 2: Now, it's all makes sense, it really does. In other words, 481 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 2: you know, if I thought they were doing it for 482 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 2: other reasons, that it had had very little to do 483 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 2: with very careful planning and also taking really good care 484 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: of their starting pitchers, because as Ali told you and 485 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: he told me the other day as well, you know, 486 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: April April and you know, getting on in early May. 487 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: Those are the kind of the danger zones. You know, 488 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 2: there's a lot, there's a lot of injuries. And how 489 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 2: many times have we seen rotations in general, the starters 490 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 2: are really good. They may have like three really good starters, 491 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: they get to the postseason and two of them are cooked. 492 00:22:56,240 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: You know, let's talk about Eric Fetty. 493 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: They traded for him last year because he was so 494 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,199 Speaker 1: dominant for the White Sox. I mean, it's hard to 495 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 1: win games for the White Sox. And on the first 496 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: day of the trade, he gets in the an ally's 497 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: office and he goes, hey, look, I'm happy to be here, 498 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,239 Speaker 1: but I am gassed. And you could see the way 499 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: Betty pitched over the last two most of the season. 500 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: He wasn't a different picture because he was tired. Because 501 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: the White Sox did not prioritize player health and longevity. 502 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: And I think the Cardinals are really trying to do 503 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: that here, and. 504 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: That's a sign of progress because they're too tough, and 505 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: they have been. They've had an aversion to you know, 506 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 2: quote think think outside the box. You know, they even 507 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 2: when they were winning and they were proud of their 508 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 2: analytics department and everything else, they stayed with the traditional model. 509 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 2: They were stubborn about staying with the model. I think 510 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 2: Jeff Luno probably wanted them to do, you know, to 511 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 2: try to go out there and break new ground on 512 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: some things. They just wouldn't do it. They were so 513 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 2: interesting in those times because we're all all of the 514 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: really good work that was being done by the analytics department. 515 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 2: The Cardinals were sticking to their their old school doctrine. 516 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,199 Speaker 2: They would never acknowledge it, but they were so I 517 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 2: personally really like just what this represents. It represents a 518 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 2: smarter organization and that can only help the team in 519 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: the you know, now and in the future. So it's 520 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 2: a really good discussion, isn't it. I've enjoyed this because 521 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 2: there's it's it's there's a lot of layers to this 522 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 2: that and and I appreciate what you wrote today, and 523 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 2: I know that a lot of people will read it 524 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 2: because it really does explain a lot. And I know that. 525 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 2: I know so many Cardinals fans are skeptical of everything. 526 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 2: I get it's one of those times. 527 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: When the organization hasn't been super transparent for years. 528 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 3: I get it. 529 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: And listen, you and I both know this too. It's 530 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: it's still going to come down to resentment of Miles Michaelis. 531 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 2: You know that's that. I think that's part of it, 532 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: that he's one of the six. I don't feel that 533 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 2: way because I understand that he's got to be part 534 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 2: of the six if you're going to go with six 535 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 2: right now, they really don't want to do anything to 536 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: take McGreevy out of his routine, you know. But I 537 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 2: get that fans are saying, well, wait a minute, but 538 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: we know mcgreevy's better than Michaels. People are gonna get 539 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 2: mad at me for saying this, because listen, I'm not 540 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 2: a fan of Michaelis's pitching, believe me. But I do 541 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: understand their thinking on this, at least for now. 542 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: Now. 543 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: A couple months from now, I may not understand their 544 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 2: thinking on this, so we'll have to wait and see 545 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 2: how it plays out. But I thought he was pretty 546 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: good to let Michael's is pretty good the last time out. 547 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 2: And I don't mean to ramble, but I wrote a 548 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: piece today and it was really interesting. If you put 549 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 2: you put Fetti in Michael's side by side, you know, 550 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 2: it's really interesting because Fetti, Michaelis has a higher strikeout 551 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 2: rate than Fetti, and he's got a better walk rate 552 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 2: than Fetti. But what's happening is Fetti's the batting average 553 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: against him, balls and plays like one to eighty three 554 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 2: against Michael's. It's three fifty six. In my eyes, I 555 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 2: mean is I'm not saying Miles Michaelas is great, but 556 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 2: we all look at Fetti as being really superior. You 557 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 2: look at his fielding independent era and his expected era. 558 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 2: Michaelas has actually been better than Fetti so far this season. 559 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 2: I know that's weird. I know that's counter and two 560 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 2: of it, but it's true if you sort of dig 561 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 2: underneath the surface numbers, I think it's. 562 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: Worth monitoring Miles Michael's for at least two more starts 563 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: and seeing how he does. And you know, maybe this 564 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: is a conversation that we forget about because he turns 565 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 1: it around, or maybe it's not, but it is something 566 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: to monitor. 567 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 3: I agree with you. 568 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: As the Cardinals adventure through the six man rotation. We'll 569 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: get to more about the series against the Astros, but 570 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: a first, a quick message from FanDuel Sports Networks. 571 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 5: Thoughts now work, Yeah yeah, watch these a digger and 572 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 5: not be yes. 573 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 2: I'm just glad they are my local dean for it 574 00:26:52,840 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: through real room for the Cardinals. Sports that way got the. 575 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 3: Extreamly all right. 576 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: So during this Cardinal's four to homestand uh, Brendan Donovan 577 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: continued his electric April Uh. 578 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 3: He is our fandual Sports Network player to watch. 579 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: Going into a four game set in Queens against the 580 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: New York Mets, Brennan Donovan after today he's hitting three 581 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: eighty that is the highest average in the National League 582 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: and is twenty seven for seventy one. Those twenty seven 583 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: hits the most hits in the Major League for Anie. 584 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,479 Speaker 3: What have you seen from Brendan Donovan? 585 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: Man, He just has he just has like such sharp 586 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 2: awareness of everything, Like he is just every cliche in 587 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 2: the book. He's just so locked in. He's seeing every pitch. 588 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 5: Uh. 589 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 2: He's he's he knows his own strengths. He's not trying 590 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 2: to stray from it. He's really really dissip when every 591 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 2: now and then he'll take a hack to try to 592 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 2: hit one out of the park. But there's just no 593 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 2: complaints there. And I've always enjoyed watching him play, really 594 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 2: love watching him play. He's such a great competitor, He's smut, 595 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: he's such a smart, smart player. So would I like 596 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 2: to see him maybe take a few more walks? Yeah, 597 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 2: but again I call, you know, he's a twelve game 598 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 2: hitting streak, you know, the Donnie doesn't I mean, he's 599 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 2: just killing it right now and so so don't you know, 600 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 2: don't change a thing at the moment. But he's fun 601 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 2: to watch and you can put him anywhere in the lineup. 602 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 2: He pretty much put him anywhere on the field. He's 603 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 2: really he's really a high value player for the Cardinals. 604 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 2: Really like him. 605 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. 606 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: And I remember when we first saw the Open Day 607 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: lineup and I talked about it and I said I 608 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: didn't love Donovan in the three hole because I didn't 609 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: think he profiled as a. 610 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 3: Number three hitter. 611 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: But this just goes to show how much I know, 612 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: because he looked real good right there, and I would 613 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: agree it would be nice for him to walk a 614 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: little more but if he's having numbers like this, I 615 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: don't think anyone's going to complain. He is, so I'm 616 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: getting eaten alive by my cave right now. This is 617 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: such a disaster episode. 618 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 3: That she snagged my sweater. 619 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: You just got to take you got to take a 620 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 2: little box of those temptations and just scatter them on 621 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 2: the floor and then. 622 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 3: She'll well, I don't know where she came from. I 623 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 3: should be away. 624 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 2: She'll be preoccupied by the treats. 625 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: But with Donnie, okay, out, well, we're gonna do this 626 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: for the rest of the episode. 627 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 3: With Donovan, this is great. He's so he's your everyday player. 628 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: And as we look at the the I don't know 629 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: the transition season, the runway. If you're looking at players 630 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: to build around, I'm building around Brendan Donovan. 631 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 3: He like you said, he can play around the diamond. 632 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: You can hit him one, you can basically one through nine, 633 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: and he just goes out there and he plays every day. 634 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: If you ask the Cardinals clubhouse what they respect about 635 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: him the most, it's the fact that he posts and 636 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: he's not going to take games off. And you have 637 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: a lot of guys that in this day and age 638 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: probably aren't going to do that. So even though he's 639 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: with twenty seven to twenty eight, I think he plays 640 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: with the maturity and the sense of a veteran, and 641 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: he's I don't think there's any questions about his law 642 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: long term future with the Cardinals from my perspective. Of course, 643 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: to the new front office, that could change. But if 644 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm building a team, I'm centering around Brendan Donovan. 645 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 2: I think I think he's a high bloom type of player. 646 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 2: I really do so. And then I'm looking forward to 647 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,479 Speaker 2: you know, and I probably shouldn't do this, but I 648 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 2: sort of link Donovan and Neutbar because you know, they 649 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 2: they could be game changing players for the Cardinals. And 650 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: you know Newtbar you know, of course hasn't been able 651 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 2: to stay healthy and has been made way too many 652 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 2: injury related disruptions. But we're seeing, we're seeing it just 653 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 2: how good he really is. Like if anybody was questioning 654 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 2: his talent, which they never should have in my opinion, 655 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 2: this was all about durability. But when he played, he's 656 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 2: really really good player and Ali made a terrific decision 657 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 2: to put him in the leadoff spot. This guy has 658 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 2: been exceptional as a leadoff hitter. I mean he's given 659 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: you high on base four to twenty two, he's slugging 660 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 2: four sixty three, he's got three bombs, he's driven in ten, 661 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 2: scored seven runs. I mean that that's the kind of 662 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 2: thing where you're like, Wow, that's what a leadoff hitter 663 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 2: should be. I'm not hung up on leadoff hitters stealing 664 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 2: a lot of basses. I want to see them get 665 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 2: on base at a high rate. I don't give a 666 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 2: damn about them stealing bases. If they're not built to 667 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 2: steal bases, there's just no point in forcing the issue. 668 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 2: So so Donovan and Newtbar are like as a tandem. 669 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: They are so essential to the success of this offense. 670 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: And one of the reasons why the offense is so 671 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 2: good coming out of the gate is both of these 672 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 2: guys are playing and they're in great form, and it 673 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,520 Speaker 2: just shows you what they can do because both of 674 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: these guys, I'm sorry to ramble, but I actually get 675 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 2: very enthusiastic talking about these two guys are also unusual 676 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 2: in that it's not like they're helpless against left handed pitchers. 677 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 2: In fact, you know, Bar's got a terrific career ops 678 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 2: against left handed pitchers. Donovan not quite at Neutbar's level, 679 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 2: but Donovan is more than respectable against left handed pitching, 680 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 2: so you never have to worry about Oh, geez, i've 681 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 2: bet oh, I better sub him out and pinch hit 682 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 2: you know, right handed hit her here, or or oh 683 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 2: they're starting a left hander today, so I bet oh, 684 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 2: I can't start both of those guys. Now, they're they 685 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 2: defy that old school norm They're really they're really really different. 686 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 2: They're unique in a way, and that's such a plus 687 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: for the Cardinals if neot Bar especially can stay on 688 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 2: the field. 689 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 3: I agree. 690 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: I really like what we're seeing out of those two 691 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: lefties at the top of the lineup. Case you missed it, 692 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: Brendan Donovan, and we'll throw an audible mention to Lars 693 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: new barbik three run homework today in that four one 694 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: win over the Astros. 695 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 3: Your FanDuel Sports Network players to watch. 696 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: You can now stream the Saint Louis Cardinals games through 697 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: fandel Sports Network, and if you use the promo code 698 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: Baseball thirty, you can start it off with a thirty 699 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: day extended free trial at fanduelsportsnetwork dot Com. Slash packages. 700 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: This deal expires May second, twenty two, nineteen ninety nine, 701 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: a month after your free trial canceled. During your free 702 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: trial to avoid charges, eligibility restrictions apply. Visit fandulsportsnetwork dot 703 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: com for details. All right, Bernie, before we get out. 704 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 2: Of here, but I had fan Duel Sports Network. I 705 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 2: was giving it a workout last night, going back and 706 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: forth between the Blues and the Cardinals. 707 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, can we get an LGB on the show? 708 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 3: So Blues heading. 709 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: Back to the playoffs, only you know, eighty two games 710 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: had them all the way. I mean, I think there's 711 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: as you know, Bernie is such excellent sports writers and 712 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: throughout Saint Louis. But my pal Jeremy Rutherford at the 713 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: Athletic had a great recap of last Tuesday's big wins. 714 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 3: So yeah, let's go Blues. 715 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 2: That's my guy g R. 716 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's wonderful. 717 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: All right, big road trip ahead to the New York 718 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: Mets and the scuffling Atlanta Braves. But the Cardinals seemed 719 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: to never really play Atlanta all that. Well, here's what 720 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: I'm concerned about. Four games and city field. And I 721 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: love going to New York. It's one of my favorite cities. 722 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: In general, I don't necessarily love covering baseball there because 723 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of just hard. I'm say, in Manhattan, you 724 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: take the seven to Queen's. I'm a subway girl. But 725 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: it's not that that I'm worried about Bernie. It's the 726 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: fact that every time I've gone to City Fields, some 727 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 1: just absolute crazy shit has happened between the Cardinals and 728 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: the Mets. And I don't know if I'm there yet, 729 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,839 Speaker 1: but I'm encouraged, you know, I'm excited for the for 730 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: the road trip. You'll see Andre Pilante on Thursday, Miles 731 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: Michaelis Friday, Matthew Libertur Saturday, Sunday, Gray on Sunday, and 732 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,439 Speaker 1: then the three against Atlanta. So do you have anything 733 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: that you're looking for in particular against the Mets. It'll 734 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: be a good test for this Cardinals ball club. 735 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 2: You know, I haven't been following the Mets that close age, 736 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 2: you know, full disclosure, because You'm not going to try 737 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 2: to fake it. So I just assume the Mets are 738 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 2: going to be good, and I know they've had their 739 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 2: ups and downs, but I just look at this whole 740 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 2: thing as a really big test for the Cardinals. And 741 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,799 Speaker 2: I know me I'm probably overdoing that. Everything's a big 742 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 2: test because it is April to sixteenth. But this team 743 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 2: was awful on the road. You know, this team's eight 744 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 2: and four at which stadium, and this team was so 745 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 2: so bad in Boston and Pittsburgh so bad that you know, 746 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 2: you know, I know a lot of fans, I know 747 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 2: a lot of fans are looking at this as like 748 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 2: a real credibility check for the Cardinals. It's not like, 749 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 2: you know, people are expecting them to go in there 750 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 2: and take three out of four of the Mets and 751 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 2: then go down beat the Braves two out of three. 752 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 2: But they just can't have another travesty the way that 753 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 2: one in five in Boston Pittsburgh was. So this is 754 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 2: a real opportunity for them to kind of prove something 755 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 2: to people that might be really skeptical about them. And 756 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 2: I know they don't think that way, but I'm just 757 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 2: saying it. I think that's there. I think that's going 758 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 2: to hang hang there as long as they struggle on 759 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:39,959 Speaker 2: the road. 760 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 3: That's how I'm looking at it too. 761 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: I'd like to throw that road trip from a baseball perspective, 762 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: the Boston pittsbrohng out Pittsburgh went out the window because 763 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: it was not a good trip at all. And we'll 764 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: see how this one goes. Four days in New York, 765 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 1: three days in Atlanta. You'll see every starter, You'll see 766 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 1: Stephen Matts again. 767 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 3: So let's just see how it goes. 768 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: Let's see if the Cardinals can can maybe fix their 769 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: road wows from their last week. 770 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 3: We'll certainly see. 771 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: Look, we will say this all throughout April, that it's early, 772 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: but nine and nine on April sixteenth, I think it's 773 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: a fine place to be, given what even what they 774 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: sought out to accomplish, given what their messaging is. 775 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 3: Let's see how they stack up against another contender. 776 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: They did a nice job against Philadelphia and against Houston 777 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: and Atlanta. I know they're off too, like a really 778 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: bad start, but there's still a competitive club. 779 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 3: They still have a lot of talent out there. 780 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 1: So I'm excited to learn a little bit more about 781 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,359 Speaker 1: the Saint Louis Cardinals over the next week or so. 782 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 2: I am too. And you just keep winning series. You 783 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 2: just win series, and if you've got to play for 784 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 2: a draw, you get the draw rather than losing three 785 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 2: out of four. Again, I talked about this at the 786 00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 2: beginning and I'll be real quick, you know, by winning 787 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,959 Speaker 2: the third game of the Philly series and the third 788 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 2: game of the Astro series. Right, if they would have 789 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 2: lost those two games, which was entirely possible, we'd be 790 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 2: sitting here today talking about it how the Cardinals had 791 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 2: lost five out of their six series played so far. 792 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 3: Right, that's exactly what I would have left with, because that. 793 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 2: Would have been what everyone's talking about. See, we knew 794 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 2: they were gonna be bad, and so I I really 795 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,399 Speaker 2: admire the way, you know, they're just like, Nope, we're 796 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 2: gonna win these games, We're gonna win the series. I mean, 797 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,720 Speaker 2: I maybe I'm having these new Rockney fantasies or something. 798 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 2: It's probably not that simple, but this team's this team's 799 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,439 Speaker 2: got a mental toughness and a great, great energy and 800 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 2: energy surge, and they're hungry. And I think when they 801 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 2: do what they did this in this homestand where they 802 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 2: were this series is up for grabs. Whoever wins game 803 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 2: three for them to get both of those things, that's 804 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 2: I thought that was a really good indication of uh, 805 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 2: maybe their competitiveness. Maybe they're gonna get after it. They're 806 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 2: really gonna get after it. So there. These are good 807 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 2: early signs. Whether they'll translate over one hundred and sixty 808 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 2: two have no idea. 809 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 3: We'll see. It's a long season. 810 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: We have so much time together, Bernie, as always, love 811 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:06,319 Speaker 1: when you hop on the show. 812 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. 813 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: We at some point we'll touch base with you all 814 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 1: after the Mets series, maybe some way somewhere in between 815 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: the Atlanta series. I don't know. I got a lot 816 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: of things up in the air right now. Most importantly, though, Bernie, 817 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: you have a hit at KMOX to do. I have 818 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 1: a suitcase to pack, so Cardinal Territory. Thanks as always 819 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: for listening. We'll check back with you next week. Appreciate it.