1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: I joked that I'm a one person I know who 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: got cancer and was like, I realize I need to 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: work more. 4 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: Welcome to Off the Cup, my personal anti anxiety antidote. 5 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 3: You know, after doing nearly fifty. 6 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 2: Episodes of Off the Cup, I'm recognizing some patterns that 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 2: have developed. Even though I'm interviewing all kinds of different 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: people actors, singers, authors, politicians, comedians, reality stars, a bunch 9 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: of themes have started to emerge career arcs, as you know, 10 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: that's been a recurring theme where we talk about navigating 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: the highs and lows of our jobs and how our 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 2: identities can get tied up in our work. Parenting, especially 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: in the age of social media, it's hard and it 14 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 2: has a lot of folks worried about how our kids 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: are going to turn out. Plenty of adults we've had 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: on have admitted that they are addicted and have to 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: manage their social media usage. Anxiety obviously is a theme 18 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: because I talk about mine, and lots of guests have 19 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: been brave enough to talk about their own mental health struggles, 20 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: whether that's addiction or depression or anxiety. 21 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 3: We're grateful for that. 22 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: Lastly, one that's started to come up recently is survival. 23 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: So many of our guests have been through stuff like 24 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 2: really difficult stuff, abuse, the loss of a loved one, 25 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 2: a traumatic event, a fire, coming out, being bullied, getting 26 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 2: a life changing diagnosis, and importantly they've shared what they've 27 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: done to start over or rebuild. Today's guest is a survivor. 28 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: He's a very famous actor. You know him from Dawson's Creek, 29 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: Don't Trust The Being Apartment, twenty three, Varsity Blues, Rules 30 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 2: of Attraction, many performances on stage. But that's all the 31 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 2: stuff you know about. What you don't know is how 32 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: much he has survived. And he's got a really important 33 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: message for all of us who are over for Hi, 34 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: that's me and that's what we're going to get into today. 35 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: So welcome to the Cup James Vanderbeek. 36 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: Hi, good to be here. 37 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: I'm really thrilled to have you, and I think people 38 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 2: are really interested in your journey, your family. They're inspired 39 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 2: by how you live your life. Before we get into 40 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 2: your diagnosis, can you take me back to August twenty 41 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: twenty three, what's your life like for you and your 42 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 2: wife and your six kids before all of this kind 43 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 2: of set the scene for me. 44 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: Well, in twenty twenty, we moved out to Texas. So 45 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: we're living on thirty six acres. We have five dogs, 46 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: six kids, a bearded dragon named Charla, and I'm training 47 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: for something. I'm an amazing physical cardiovascular shape. I am writing, 48 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: I've got two movies that I'm about to say yes to. 49 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: We're about to take an RV trip. 50 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: Why did you move out there? Can you just tell 51 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: me a little bit about that. 52 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: We'd been wanting to get out of LA for quite 53 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: some time. My wife and I we wanted to raise 54 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: our kids someplace different. Nashville was on the list. Outside 55 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: Atlanta was on the list, and we found this amazing 56 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: spot just outside of Austin. My wife and I went 57 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: there for an anniversary in August to twenty twenty, and 58 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 1: I had shod Varsity Blues there many many years earlier, 59 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: and just getting back to Austin, I realized, oh wait, 60 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: this place has a vibe like what I loved about 61 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: Austin back then. Wasn't just where I was at my career, 62 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: wasn't just the project that I was on. It's actually 63 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: still here and I get to raise my kids here. 64 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 1: So we found this amazing place on a river and 65 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: we just pulled the trigger, said let's go, we're doing it, 66 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: We're moving, flew back, told our kids put it with 67 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: everything in a moving van, and then we took a 68 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: ten day road trip and picked up two dollsugs along 69 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: the way because ten day road trip with too much 70 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: HUA was that we'd rescued and we'd never traveled with 71 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: and at the time five kids, that wasn't complicated enough. 72 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: So we also adopted two more dogs thick with us 73 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: on the road trip and we just got in the 74 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: car and drove until somebody had to pee, which you 75 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: know wasn't always that long. And yeah, we set up 76 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 1: life in Texas. 77 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 2: You'd been recovering, I'm sure, emotionally from several miscarriages that 78 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: you've talked about. Did you feel like at this point 79 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 2: you were over a hump? Life was good. 80 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, we did, and we had our miracle sixth baby. 81 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: COVID was finally done, the strikes were finally resolving, and 82 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, and so it's said, Yeah, I'd 83 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 1: suggested two movies and then I uh going for a 84 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: colonoscopy and I wake up the foggy kind of y 85 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: very pleasant. 86 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard it's very good, right, good trucks. 87 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: Now you go to sleep, you work out, You're like, 88 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: oh wow, I feel rested, and I'm so glad I 89 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: did that. 90 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 3: I heard that. 91 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: Yeah great, I got it out of the way. And 92 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: then the doctor and his best bedside manner says it 93 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: is cancer, and I was kind of went into shock. 94 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: And then the whole drive home with my wife, I 95 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 1: think we were both in shock. And yeah, I felt 96 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: at the point I didn't feel like I had enough 97 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: information to panic. Okay, so I wasn't, you know, booing 98 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: or too to straw all. Just the me knew was 99 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: it was cancer. I didn't know it. Stage didn't know 100 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: any of that. And then it just kind of started 101 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: to done in And the next morning I woke up 102 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: feeling like, oh wait, I should have woken up from 103 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 1: that dream. Hold on, this is not the I feel 104 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: like I've slipped into the long reality like reality that's 105 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: not the one that I need to be in. And honestly, 106 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of stipid like that. It's it's a journey 107 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: that manifests itself in chapters. 108 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 3: How did you tell your kids? 109 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: I made sure I had a handle on what the 110 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: of course, the treatment was going to be made sure 111 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: I had some information, and then we were just honest 112 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: with them. We didn't shy away from it. We used 113 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: all the real words. Again, we have so many that 114 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: I think it's just would have spread. 115 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 3: Like wildfire through your house. 116 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, like, oh, that's not what Daddy 117 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: told me. He said that even you know, I didn't 118 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: want to start with the metaphors, and it was I'm 119 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: not that clever, So I just figured, let's just be 120 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: let's just be real. And what happened was they really 121 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: surprised me with their resilience and their maturity, and they 122 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: also they know something's up. There was no realm in 123 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: which I was going to hide this from them. That 124 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: would have left them just, you know, confused and worried. 125 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, I just and of course they all handle 126 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: it differently, they all hide it differently, they all processed differently. 127 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: But what was really cool was just I allowed them 128 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: to show up for me, you know, when I've had it, 129 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: when I've had that day, I could be honest they Dad, 130 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: do you are you tired? Do you need tea? Yeah? 131 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: It's been really beautiful. 132 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: Were you all of the mindset that, like everything stops. 133 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: We'll put all our energy into dealing with this and 134 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 2: then we'll move on with our lives. Or were you 135 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: of the mindset our lives are continuing as normal as possible. 136 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 2: I've got this thing over here, but it's not going 137 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: to define us. 138 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my first thought, was all right, I'm 139 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: just gonna I'm gona deal with this. We're going to 140 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: rock this out and then we'll be good. I did 141 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: have to say passed on the movies that I had 142 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: said yes too previously. I was about to say yes too, 143 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: and then I started and then I kept. What I 144 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: kept that saying in the beginning was I know this 145 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: sounds stupid, but this is harder than I thought it 146 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: would be. I said that a lot in the beginning. 147 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: I don't say that anymore. 148 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: What part was harder The amount. 149 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,559 Speaker 1: Of time it's cancer really is a full time job, 150 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: all the the medical portals, organizing your information, trying something, 151 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 1: not knowing if it's working, sitting in the question, sitting 152 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 1: in the unknown, waiting for the test results. It really 153 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: does take an emotional toll, and it requires absolute presence. 154 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: And what I said to myself right away is Okay, 155 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: what are the changes I'm going to make in my 156 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: life that are going to make me look back on 157 00:08:54,120 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: this in twenty years and say, thank God this happened emotionally, spiritually, dietarily, medically, physically, 158 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: Like just if I go, if I look at my 159 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: life up until this point and say, Okay, whatever I've 160 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: been doing has been killing me to some degree, what 161 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: are the changes I can make right now? And so 162 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: I was very determined to make to turn this into 163 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: the best thing that ever happened to me, which is 164 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: crazy to say. And I don't think what I was 165 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: prepared for was just how low it would get me, 166 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: just how how much I'd be laid out, how how 167 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: much I'd have to give up of my own identity 168 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: and my own, you know, sense of who I was 169 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: that had been banked upon me being a present father 170 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: and husband and provider and caretaker of his land and 171 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: the guy who was going to prune the trees at 172 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: the right time of the year and do it right 173 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: with the spray and save my oaks and all that. 174 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: And yeah, it just kind of cancer. Let me know. 175 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: It wasn't let me, letting me get by with just 176 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: an obligatory stop phoning it in. It's gonna be a journey. 177 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: It's just gonna lay clear everything off the table and 178 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: really forced me to look at who I am. 179 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: You wrote in part in an Instagram post last year, 180 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: and you sort of just alluded to this. You wrote, 181 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 2: it's been a tough year and I'm thankful for all 182 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: of it, for the giant life redirect cancer has placed 183 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: in my path. 184 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 3: What redirect? 185 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 2: Did you not know you needed that that cancer sort 186 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: of woke you up to. 187 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 1: There were a couple. The kind of funniest one is 188 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: when I moved to Texas and I was with my family, 189 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: I thought, I don't even need acting. This is great. 190 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,079 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna do this. And then when I 191 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: got diagnosed and I realized I'm an artist. I love 192 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: to collaborate, I love to tell stories. That is a 193 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: really important part of who I am. And so I 194 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: joked that I'm the one person I know who got cancer. 195 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: Was like, I realized I need to work more, right, So, 196 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: you know, that was one thing just kind of allowing 197 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: me to recognize and appreciate the importance that creation and 198 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: art and storytelling has in my life. Yeah, and the 199 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: rest of it was just getting out of old identities 200 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: old definitions of success, old right ways in which I 201 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: derived selfis. 202 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, we talk a lot about that here, sort of 203 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: getting wrapped up in your identity as the thing you do. 204 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 3: And you know, that's been hard for me, it's hard 205 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 3: for a lot of people. 206 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 2: And it's one doesn't want cancer to remind you that 207 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: you are not your work, but it's you know, it's 208 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 2: a good reminder to know, for some kind of intervention, 209 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: to let you know, at some point your value is 210 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 2: not in that thing that everyone knows you for. 211 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: Well, i'd gotten to that point pretty much where I 212 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'm not the thing that I'm not 213 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 1: the I'm not the thing that people know me for. 214 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm not the image that i've that i've coc occulture. 215 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm not even the sum of the characters I've played. 216 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: I knew that, But what I had really come to 217 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:17,719 Speaker 1: define myself as was and father, provider, husband, you know, 218 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: athletic guy who can do all these things. And what 219 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: I realized I was at a point where I was 220 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: none of those things. So even those beautiful definitions of 221 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: you know, father, caretaker I did, I couldn't fulfill. So well, 222 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: what am I absent? Any of that? If I'm just 223 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: an underweight guy alone in a room with cancer, then 224 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: what am I? And the conclusion that I came to 225 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: in meditation was I'm worthy of love. Yeah, you know, 226 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: and we all are simply because we exist. And that 227 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: was never would have come to had I not been 228 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: just laid laid out completely. 229 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. That's heavy but beautiful. 230 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 2: And I'm wondering if you could, just because we'll have 231 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 2: a lot of people listening who know someone with cancer, 232 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 2: what's one of the hardest conversations you have to have, 233 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: either with yourself or a loved one when you have cancer. 234 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: Dealing with their fear because everybody has their own history 235 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: and their own baggage when it comes to it, and 236 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: so when you tell someone you love who cares about you, 237 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: you're also dealing with their fear and they're you know, 238 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: So that's been that's been tricky, and so it just 239 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: takes really kind of knowing who you are, having faith 240 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: in your process, having trust in your body, and just 241 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: knowing that other people are going to have, you know, 242 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: their their own process as soon as you tell them, 243 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: and they're starting, they're starting at minute one, the second 244 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: you tell them you have cancer, they are going through 245 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: the shock and the Okay, you're going to get through, 246 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: this is going to be great, and then you know 247 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: the process that I've had all this time to do, 248 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: they're now just starting. And so that's that's what I 249 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: realized in telling people, and that was tricky. And my 250 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: advice to anybody who has a love one with cancer 251 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 1: as well would be you can always ask how are 252 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: you and you have to be prepared for the answer 253 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: to be not great today, and to just sometimes sit 254 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: with somebody in their pain. It's something that my wife 255 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: has shown an amazing ability to do, because as you 256 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: when you love someone, you want to help them, You 257 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: want to make it better for them, you want to 258 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: fix it for them, and so any but any degree 259 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: of saying well, you know, at least this or at 260 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: least this, are you going to do that? You I 261 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: used to do that to people right to do something? 262 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: At least you can appreciate this other good thing. 263 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 3: In you're like, look at the right side, the right side. 264 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: You know, you still have your kids. And what I 265 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: realized is that you know, that was to make me 266 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: feel better. It wasn't to make them feel better, because 267 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: I didn't want them to be in vain. I didn't 268 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: know how to sit with them not being okay, And 269 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: so the advice I would give is is it's always 270 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: okay to ask how you're doing and if, but you 271 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: have to be prepared for the answer to be not 272 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: great and to just let that be the answer for 273 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: that day and recognize that you can't fix it for them. 274 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 2: That's great advice. So give us another kind of advice. 275 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 2: Talk about SHIELD and why your partner with garden Health. 276 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: I'm forty six. I because I don't have a history 277 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: of it in my family. I was given the take 278 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 2: home test, which I did. But you know, talk about 279 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: what's important and what people should be doing as they. 280 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 3: Hit this age. 281 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, so what I want to like shout from the rooftops, 282 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: which I didn't know, is that forty five is the 283 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: age of which they recommend having a conversation with the 284 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: doctor about your colorectal cancer screening options. I still, I 285 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: didn't realize it to drop from fifty. If you have 286 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: a family history, then that you know, you start talking 287 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: about that earlier. The biggest thing is you don't have 288 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 1: to have symptoms to get screened, because while colorectal cancer 289 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: is the second deadliest cancer, which is really scary. 290 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 291 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: The other amazing thing about it is that it's also 292 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: the most easily cub when it's chuldterarly. So get screened 293 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,239 Speaker 1: when it is recommended, not just when you have symptoms. 294 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 3: What would some symptoms be for people? 295 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: You can go online and look, I mean, everybody's symptoms 296 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: is different, sometimes in battle habits sometimes I mean I 297 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: did play a doctor on television once. That doesn't perfinitely 298 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: qualify me to go through what the list list of 299 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: symptoms are. So that's why I but I've really with this. 300 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: I would not go with the symptoms because the curate 301 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: when it's caught early is like nine. 302 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 3: That's amazing. 303 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so there are you know, several different different options. 304 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 1: Colonoscopy obviously is you know, I think what they call 305 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: the gold standard, but adherence to the advice to get 306 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: a kolenoscopy is not great. Adherence to a shield blood 307 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: test is three times higher. 308 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 3: Tell me what a shield blood test. 309 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: Is, What a shil blood test is is a simple 310 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 1: blood test that you could do at your next doctor's 311 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: visit and they can screen that blood bio that blood 312 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: for colonnical cancer and you can just ask for that, 313 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: and you can and you can just ask for that. Yeah, 314 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: any any healthcare provider. 315 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: I think that'll bring a lot more people in who 316 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: are maybe scared of getting those tests. 317 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, because people still have barriers when it comes to screening. Yeah, 318 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: whether those are rule or imagined, they exist, and anything 319 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: go to which they could prevent somebody from discovering somebody 320 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: that can be very curable when you catch it early. 321 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: That's why, that's why I wanted to. I partnered with 322 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: Shield in my Garden because they just it's a it's 323 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: a pleasant, convenient, easy option to get screened, so important, 324 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:41,640 Speaker 1: especially for somebody who who can't take off work. Yeah, 325 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: or you know, or the kids have a. 326 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, we're gonna do a little lightning round. That's 327 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 2: light and fun. 328 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 3: Mh. What is your favorite book? 329 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: Autobiography of a Yogi? Okay, I didn't expect that one, 330 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: did you? 331 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 3: No? I didn't. What's the best coming of age movie? 332 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: Ash? Oh man, there's gonna be such a good answer 333 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: to this. I'm not gonna think of it in the 334 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: Lightning round Coming age movie, I. 335 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 2: Can tell you the correct answer. The correct answer is 336 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 2: stand by me. But you might have a you might 337 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: have a better. 338 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: One is amazing, good one, you know, weird with I 339 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: love the breakfast Club. 340 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 3: Oh fantastic. That might be better than stand by me. 341 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, that's such a guy, especially my age our 342 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: age like, oh yeah. 343 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 3: Okay, uh, what's the worst vacation you've ever been on? 344 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: I will not say who this was, but I was 345 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: with somebody, yep, and it was the wrong somebody, and 346 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: he was in a foreign country and we went to 347 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: this hotel that was very isolated and like on an island. 348 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: And I got there and I looked around and I 349 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: realized I can't be in this hotel room with this person, 350 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: and literally got to the room put the bags down. 351 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: I said I can't do this and went right back 352 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: to the front desk and has to check out. And 353 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: Quentin flagged down the boat that brought us there. I 354 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: was like, could we just can we get back on 355 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: the to the main man? 356 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 3: Oh my god? 357 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? 358 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, did you break up right then and there? 359 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: On some form, we broke up right then and there. Yeah, 360 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: the actual extrication took him took a minute after that, 361 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: but I believe that I think it put the one 362 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: moment that relationship is over. It was amazing vacation. Yeah, 363 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: what a good story. 364 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: Your high school nickname was mister Hollywood. No, how does 365 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 2: that make you feel now? 366 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: There wasn't actually. 367 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 3: No, mister Vanderbeek. 368 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: I have your yearbook in which you say thank you 369 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 2: for my nickname, mister Hollywood. 370 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: Is it a real yearbook? 371 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 3: It's your Cheshure. 372 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: Academy yearbook nineteen ninety five. 373 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: I said that I can show you wow, mister Hollywood. 374 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Brian Canal said, yes, Vanderbeek, or should I say, 375 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 2: doc Hollywood? 376 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: Your future is looking bright? 377 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: Okay? 378 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 3: Am I telling you something you don't know about yourself? 379 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, because but by the time my graduated in 380 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: high school, i'd been to Hollywood I think exactly once. 381 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: No, but you had. You had made a film, because 382 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 3: you referenced it in your yearbook. 383 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: I had the second best Coming of age movie Angus. 384 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 3: Yes, there you go. 385 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 2: And you said one of your quotes first a certain 386 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 2: teacher was something like, I have to leave early for auditions. 387 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: I did. I did say that a lot in high school. Yes, 388 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: I have to leave holy front on this my homework. 389 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: And it was true like ninety nine percent of the time. 390 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes you didn't have an audition, So. 391 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: The time I did, I promise. 392 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 2: So what do you think your nickname in high school was? 393 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 2: If you don't think it was mister Hollywood. 394 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: Gosh, I mean beak or when I'm not in the room, 395 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: the beak usually how I'm I've been told. 396 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,679 Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know. 397 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,639 Speaker 1: I was. I was so in and out of my 398 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: own high school. I was doing play in New York, 399 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: I was doing a movie. Mister Hollywood. 400 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 2: Really you these are your words. Brian Knell thinks it 401 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 2: was Doc Hollywood. You said thank you to a certain 402 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 2: teacher for my nickname mister Hollywood. 403 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: Oh so I wrote this and you wrote into something 404 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: that I like with my own handwriting. Yeah, oh okay, 405 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: got it. So maybe somebody did call me mister Hollywood. 406 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: And if they did, I would have taken that as 407 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: a compliment and as a sign of confidence that they 408 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 1: had that I would succeed. 409 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 3: Well they did. Brian Canal said, your futures looking bright. 410 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 3: I think everyone believed in you. 411 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: Thank you, Brian Canel. 412 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 413 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: I did have didchers who believed in me, which which 414 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: was great and that really. Yeah, so somebody did call 415 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: me mister Hollywood. I think I probably would have taken 416 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: that as like a you know, go ahead. 417 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, I'm sure it was. 418 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 1: Sorry. I thought you meant like I had put it 419 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: in as mice my own superlative, like I had given 420 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: myself that nickname no, or that I like, or that 421 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: I walked around noting that nickname. 422 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 2: No, okay, it's what some people called you, apparently, and 423 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 2: it was I'm sure positive. 424 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: Okay, great, Okay. 425 00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 3: What's the thing you're not good at? 426 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: Figuring out my own high school yearbook? 427 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 3: Remembering stuff? Yeah, remembering your childhood. 428 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: Didn't bring anything not ten minutes ago? 429 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 3: That works. That works. What's the best thing your parents 430 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 3: did for you? 431 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: Ah, encourage me to and support me and chasing my 432 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: own dreams. 433 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's big. 434 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 2: Okay, this is the last question. It's very important to 435 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 2: me culturally and spiritually. When is it iced coffee season? 436 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: Is it ever not? Oh? 437 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 3: That's the correct answer, say less. Yeah, that is the 438 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 3: correct answer, period, full stop. Is it ever not? 439 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: Yeah? 440 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 3: Thank you James. 441 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 2: Vandervey, and thanks for all of that great information. It's 442 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: really important and I'm so glad that you're out there 443 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: talking about it. It's brave, but it's also really helpful, 444 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,479 Speaker 2: and I loved having you on. 445 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: Thank you absolutely. Yeah. I want, I really really want 446 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: to put correctal cancer in everybody's radar because, like I said, 447 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: get it checked, get it checked early, so much easier 448 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: to treat. You heard him, so thank you. 449 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 3: Thanks James. 450 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: Oh and if you're curious about the shield test in particular, 451 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: it's it's the blood test dot com. 452 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 3: The blood test dot com perfect. 453 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: The blood test dot com And is all the information 454 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: you have on that particular option. 455 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 3: All right, well, come talk to us again. We hope, 456 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 3: uh you know, we hope you're doing great. 457 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: Okay, this is a blasted Thank you so much, James. 458 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: All right, take care. 459 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 3: Oh that was such a great episode. 460 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 2: I'm so glad we had him on because he's lovely 461 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 2: but also such an important message and he's really brave 462 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 2: to talk about his own battle, and it's obviously very 463 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 2: important to him that he be sort of an evangelist 464 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 2: for getting tested, and it's really important. I'm forty five. 465 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: I know my doctor said it when I I'm forty six. Sorry, 466 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 2: And I know my doctor said it when I turned 467 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: forty five. 468 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 3: You gotta get tested. Nobody wants to, but I got it. 469 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 2: Especially I didn't know this but especially since what he 470 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: said was it's very curable if you catch it early. 471 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 2: That's the most important thing. So catch it early. Just 472 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: go get it done. 473 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 3: Go get it done. It's not that bad. And also 474 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 3: go to the blood test dot com. 475 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 2: And that's a whole other way to do it, so 476 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 2: no excuses to not get it done before I go. 477 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 2: I want to ask you, guys a question. I love 478 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 2: that your loyal listeners have off the Cup and I 479 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 2: know that you come here for that escape from politics. 480 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 2: Believe me, so do I, my friends. I need it 481 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 2: just as badly as you do. But I'm wondering. You know, 482 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 2: we're coming up on a big New York City election 483 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: next year's midterms. There's obviously a lot going on. I'm wondering, 484 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 2: and be honest, do you want to talk about politics here? 485 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 3: Is that something you want to hear like a little 486 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 3: bit of in. 487 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 2: The sort of in the midst of your you know, 488 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 2: the interview and discussions of mental health, or are you 489 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: like keep that as far away from us as is 490 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,120 Speaker 2: humanly possible. 491 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 3: I truly want to know. 492 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 2: Write us at off the Cup. That's Cup with two 493 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 2: p's at gmail dot com. Off the Cup at gmail 494 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 2: dot com and let me know. 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