1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to The Giants Huddle, a New York Giants podcast. 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: I'm John Smilin. Welcome to another episode of the Giants 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 1: Huttle Podcast. Today's guest former NFL offensive lineman Ross Tucker. 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: But first one to remind you. You You can find the 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 1: Giant Suttle podcast on giants dot Com, the Giants bublelapp 6 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: and all your favorite podcast platforms. Find the subscribe at 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: us to your favorites. Like what you hear on yourn 8 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, please leave a positive review. You can find 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: all Giants podcast offering us at giants dot com slash podcast. 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: And before we get going, I just need to remind 11 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: everybody that all the agreements we speak about on this 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: program are not official. They are all simply reports attributed 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: to the reporters we do for each individual player, and 14 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: they're all contingent on these players passing physicals sometime in 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: the future. Now let's bringing our guest. He is Ross Stucker, 16 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: former NFL offensive lineman. You can hear him on Westwood One, 17 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: but also the Ross Tucker Football Podcast and the Fantasy 18 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: Feast podcast. You can find them on Twitter at Ross Tucker, NFL. 19 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: All one word, Ross, We appreciate you given us the 20 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: time in these difficult times. How are you surviving, my friend? Yeah, John, 21 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: doing doing well. Thank you for asking. I hope the 22 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: same for you and your family and everybody listening. I 23 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: know a lot of people in New York metropolitan area 24 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: especially have been hit really hard by this thing. So 25 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: wishing all of you as much health and safety as possible, 26 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: and hopefully being able to listen to this podcast and 27 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,839 Speaker 1: my podcast over at Rosstecker dot com can help people 28 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: stay entertained or work as a diversion or whatever. So 29 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: kind of like you, John, I I'm able to do 30 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: most of my stuff from home, so very fortunate in 31 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, we are, and we hope to give 32 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: people as much entertainment and distraction as they can with 33 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: everything going on the world, which is really not a 34 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: lot of fun. So rosso, let's start with what's going 35 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: on in fregncy in and let's start the New York Giants. 36 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: They bring in a few players here that they think 37 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: will move into starting roles and help them right away. First, 38 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: let's start with James Bradberry. The Giants have agreed to 39 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: contract terms with cornerback James Bradberry. According to NFL Networks, 40 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: I and Rappaport the deal with contingent upon Bradbury passing 41 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: a physical. Obviously, the Giants have a lot of really 42 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: young quarterbacks on the roster, and Bradbury gives them a 43 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: player that's in his prime, has started for four years, 44 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: was drafted by Gave Gentleman in Carolina, and should really 45 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: provide a stabilizing force back there for them. Yeah. So 46 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: I really like most of what the Giants have done 47 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: so far. I'd say three of the moves I really like. 48 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: To others, I'm a little bit skeptical long and we 49 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 1: can get into those. But the Bradberry move, by love, 50 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: I mean fifteen million a year for a guy like him, 51 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: that just doesn't happen very often. I mean he was 52 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: either the top or the second best available free agent 53 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: corner he and Byron Jones, And you know, I just 54 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: think fifteen million dollars a year for how important that 55 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: position is. And you mentioned it giving the Giants some 56 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: stability while they've got young guys like Baker and others 57 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 1: at the other spot really really helps the defense from 58 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: end to sleep. I frankly thought guys like brad Berry 59 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: and Byron Jones would be getting more like eighteen nineteen 60 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: tillion dollars a year, so to get Brad Bays for fifteen, 61 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: which is still a million and a half a year, 62 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: less than what Byron Jones got, you know, even more 63 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: than that, less than what Darius Slay I thought actually 64 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: represented pretty good value. And the Blake Martinez. The Giants 65 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: have agreed to contract terms a Fridge and linebacker Blake Martinez. 66 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: According to NFL Networks Mike Garafol, the deal is of 67 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: course contingent upon Martinez passing a physical. The Giants had 68 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: let go of alec Ogletree at the end of February. 69 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: They needed somebody new in the middle. There were a 70 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,119 Speaker 1: few guys at the top of the market. Martinez was one, 71 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: Joe shob and Corey Littleton were others. What's your take 72 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: on Martinez as a player? Someone we've seen a lot, 73 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: given the fact that Green Bay has been in a 74 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: lot of prominent games over the past few years, I'm 75 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: not sure that I would pay that much money for 76 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: an offsketball linebacker. Now that said, he got less money 77 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: reportedly again than Littleton, who I think is awesome and Showberg. 78 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: I put Martinez third of those guys, and I guess 79 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: he got paid third, so maybe that's maybe that's fair. 80 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: It is interesting though, there are a bunch of teams 81 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: out there and you know this gim. They don't put 82 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: a ton of value into the off the ball linebackers, 83 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: but Dave Gettleman always has. You look at when he 84 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: was in Carolina and the success he had with Luke 85 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: Kickley as well as Thomas Davis, and even drafting Shack Thompson, 86 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: and Getleman really feels like it is important to have 87 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: that leader in the middle of the defense, second level 88 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: of the defense, a running hit guy. I think Martinez 89 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,679 Speaker 1: is a good player. I don't think he's a great player, 90 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: but I think they just felt like that group, that 91 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: position group, that meeting room needed a guy young playmaking. 92 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: You know that has the leadership that Martinez has. I 93 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: understand why they did it, and when you understand Getleman's 94 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: background is well, it makes even more sense. And then 95 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: you have Kyler fact Roll. The Giants agreed the terms 96 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: with him. According to ESPNS Adam Schefter, the deal is 97 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: of course contingent on fact Row passing his physical He's 98 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: somebody that a quiet year last year after the Packers 99 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: acquired Prestons and Darius Smith, so his playing time got 100 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: caught ross. You go back two years though, ten plus sacks, 101 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: and I looked at some of the tape, showed off 102 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: some nice moves, kind of more of a power rusher, 103 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: which to me, he looks like a rusher that they'd 104 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: have in New England, which I guess maybe shouldn't be 105 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 1: a surprise giving Patrick Graham's a defensive cordiner that's you 106 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: know the program. He's kind of come from your thoughts 107 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: on fact role in terms of what you've seen from 108 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: over the course of his career. Yes, so this is 109 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: probably the move I liked the most. Um, I think 110 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: Facle is really good, and I don't think it's Facle's 111 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: fault that the Packers elected to be very aggressive in 112 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: free agency last year and bring in Zadarius Smith and 113 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: Preston Smith. And maybe he's not quite at the level 114 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: of those two guys, but the guy's got a ton 115 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: of money and the Giants bring him in here reportedly 116 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: for four and a half million for one year. He 117 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: is going to be super motivated. It's basically a contract 118 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: year that he didn't really get last year because he 119 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: can't really get a chance to really play all that much, 120 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: even so, though Green Bay still rotated him in at times, 121 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: was Darius Smith and Preston Smith. And they don't just 122 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: hand out ten and a half sacks like nobody gets 123 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: ten a half sacks by accident. Not Maybe you could 124 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: say some of them were hustle sacks or some I 125 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: don't care. There aren't that many dudes ever that have 126 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: double business sacks. So he's got that on his resume. 127 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: Let's put this way, if he had been a free 128 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 1: agent after his third year when he had ten half sacks, 129 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: he would have gotten more than double what he got 130 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: from the Giants. I mean, he would have gotten uh, 131 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: probably three x of what he's getting financially. So really 132 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: really liked this move. I think he'll be supremely motivated, 133 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna have a pretty good year 134 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: rushing the pastor my favorite move the Giants and made 135 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: so far. All right, let's go on to the next one. 136 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: Cameron Fleming. The Giants reported to have agreed to terms 137 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: with Cam Fleming pending a physical coin to Mike Garret 138 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: Folo of NFL Network. And he's somebody that has started 139 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: nearly two two full seasons worth of games. Ross now 140 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: traditionally a backup, he started a bunch of games at 141 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: both right tackle and then a left tackle for the 142 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: Cowboys after being more of a right tackle for the Patriots. 143 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: To me, he's kind of like the perfect swing tackle. 144 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: But now the Giants are in a position we could 145 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: talk more about the offense line a little bit later 146 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: where he's probably gonna have a chance to compete for 147 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: that starting right tackle job at least as the roster stands. Now, yeah, 148 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: this is another move I really liked. I like value. 149 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: I think Facrol and cam Fleming were my two favorite moves. Now, 150 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: in fairness, there's only one year deals, so those guys 151 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: might be able to leave after a year. But there's 152 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: happened to be said too for guys to a one 153 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: year deal so that they are hungry, so that you 154 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: are dangling the carrot, if you will, so that he's 155 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: gonna do whatever he can to win that starting job 156 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: and be able to have a nice year and maybe 157 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: get a really nice contract. And by the way, if 158 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: he does, then perhaps the Giants are able to get 159 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: a conpensory pick and return, or maybe the Giants say, 160 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: you know what, we want that nice contract to be here. 161 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: You know, he's proven his work to us. He's I've 162 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: always thought he was starting caliber. You know. When the 163 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: Cowboys got him from New England, that's because they thought 164 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: they might need a starter at right tackle. They ended 165 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: up moving Rale Collins and so they didn't really need that. 166 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: But he was able to play both right and left. 167 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: So what he is. I think he is absolutely a 168 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: starting caliber right tackle. Now I don't think he's above average, 169 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,719 Speaker 1: but I think he's average. And I think to get 170 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: an average starting tackle for a reportedly four million is great. 171 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: And if worst case scenario, you know, the Jazz get 172 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: another guy at tackle maybe in the draft, and Fleming 173 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: becomes a swing tackle. That's a very valuable position in 174 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: today's NFL. I mean there's a reason why, you know, 175 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: like the Eagles had a guy like Viti, they just 176 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 1: got fifty million over five years from the Lions as 177 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: a swing tackle to now start in Detroit. That that 178 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: position is important. It gives me a little bit of 179 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:29,119 Speaker 1: flexibility with what they do in the draft with soldiers contract. 180 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: And more so, I really liked the Facul and Fleming signings. 181 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: You know, those are the type of signings John that 182 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: Nobody really talks about that much because it's not huge money, 183 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: they're not long term deals, and everybody wants to talk 184 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: about brad Berry and Marketez and I get that, but 185 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: I thought those were two of the moves. I really 186 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: really like, you know, getting a couple of guys that 187 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: are going to start, I think, for this football team 188 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 1: for four million bucks, and I think play at at 189 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: a pretty high level. What do you think Ross would 190 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: by Ross Tucker? Do you think this Giants team is 191 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: going to look like this year in terms of scheme 192 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. We obviously don't know 193 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: a whole lot and who knows when we're gonna find 194 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: this out because we don't know when practices are gonna 195 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: happen and O t s if they're gonna happen at all. 196 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: How do you think they're going to try to win games? 197 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,839 Speaker 1: Do you think Joe Judge is going to implement a 198 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: high flying offensive tact to score a lot of points? 199 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: Are they gonna try to grind it out and win 200 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: games that way? How do you envision Joe Judge trying 201 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 1: to win football games this year? I think it's gonna 202 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: be a little bit depending on what they do in 203 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: the draft, although I think you make a good point. 204 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: You know, Giants have a high first round pick, high 205 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: second round pick. I would you like to think both 206 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: those guys could be starters. But you know, at this rate, 207 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: who knows when the first practice his training camp, So 208 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: that that makes it hard when they're missing O T 209 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: s and everything like that. Obviously we're in uncharted territory 210 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: in that regard. In general, I would say I'm probably 211 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,559 Speaker 1: higher on the Giants than most people. I really like 212 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: Dame Jones. I think in year two he's gonna play well. 213 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: You know, say Kuan was not himself most of the 214 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: year last year, and I do think that they'll try 215 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: to build the offense around him. I think Joe Judge 216 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: right now looks at his D line and say Quan 217 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: as the strength of the team. And it's funny because 218 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: it kind of goes back to even like when I 219 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: would play against New England and they had Vince Rulfork 220 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: and Ty Warren and Richard Seymour. You know, I look 221 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: at Leonard Williams and Tomlinson and Dexter Lawrence. I really 222 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: think their ability up front to stop the run is 223 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: going to be significant now they've got to get there 224 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: in terms of the pass rush, which is where fact 225 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: Roll maybe even a draft choice comes in. That's going 226 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: to be key. And then our offense. You know, I 227 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: think they're gonna have Daniel Jones open up a little 228 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: bit more, but still run this during this thing through, 229 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: say Kumbark, I don't think that the Giants are gonna 230 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: win games, you know, thirty four, thirty one. I think 231 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: they're gonna win games, you know, twenties and thirteen with 232 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: with a rock solid defense, especially now that they got 233 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: Bradberry and with you know, controlling the football with state 234 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley, both in the run game and the passing game. 235 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: You mentioned Daniel Jones and you liked this rookie year. 236 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 1: Where do you think ross that he needs to improve 237 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: to kind of take that next step as a player 238 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: and become that, you know, Pro Bowl type quarterback. Yeah, 239 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not you already know this. Everybody listening 240 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: to you. Just you can't turn the ball over like that, 241 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: especially the fumbles, I mean ball security. If you just 242 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: think about if you can just cut those fumbles in half, 243 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: you know the difference that that will make. I mean, 244 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: just think of you he cuts those fumbles in half. 245 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: Sate Kuan is healthy, you gotta you know, and you know, 246 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: who knows. Maybe Sam won't be healthy. Hopefully is. But 247 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: you just think of those two things right there, that's 248 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: got to be at least a couple more wins if 249 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: you're a Giants fan. Right there, just off the top 250 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: of your head. And and then obviously the chances for 251 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: more I would think that you know, they're they're going 252 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: to get either a pass rusher or a big time 253 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: offensive tackle at four if they don't trade back. And 254 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: then at thirty six, I think they can get a 255 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: starting wide receiver and so many unbelievable receivers that they're 256 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: gonna be able to get somebody. Maybe it's even like 257 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: a kJ Hamdler from Penn State who is absolutely dynamic 258 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: with the ball in his hands. Those guys are gonna 259 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: be available at thirty six. So um I would imagine 260 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: they get a front seven guy, you know, probably in 261 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: my mind an offensive tackle, but it could be a 262 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: guy on defense, but oh lineman or d lineman at 263 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: number four if they don't trade back, and even if 264 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: they do trade back, I would think that they would 265 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: get one of those guys and then at thirty six, 266 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: probably be able to get a wide receiver, which I 267 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 1: think would really really help them, you know, to go 268 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: along with I was so pressed with what Slayton did 269 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: last year kind of out of nowhere. So you have 270 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: Slayton Shepherd and maybe the thirty six pick, and you know, 271 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: we'll see what they do with Golden tap absolutely. All right, Well, 272 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: let's dive into the draft a little bit ross before 273 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: we get into what else has been going on around 274 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: the NFL and free agency, before we say goodbye. Um 275 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: at number four, I was at the combine. I talked 276 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: to dozens of people, and I could not find any 277 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: consensus on how to rank these top four offensive tackles 278 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: in this draft that many think will go on the 279 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: top twelve or top ten. How do you see them? Yeah? 280 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: I like Jeddrick Wills from Alabama as the best, and 281 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: I think he fits what the Giants had want to 282 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: do with say Kwan the most as well. He is 283 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: just so explosive in his lower body. Um, you know, 284 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: he doesn't have necessarily the ideal length that people look 285 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: for because he's six four, but he's got pretty long 286 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: arms for six four, and he's just so powerful that 287 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: I think he's the best, most consistent guy. Love him 288 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: at right tackle. I think after that, I'd probably go 289 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: with McKay Beckton from Louisville. You know, we've just seen 290 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: guys like that succeed in the NFL. He is ginormous 291 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: and he moves pretty well. Now he's raw at times, 292 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: but honestly, with how big he is, if you just 293 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: teach him how to set ready right, if you just 294 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: get the right pass set, it's just hard for people 295 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: to get around him, and he can be an absolute 296 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: weapon in the running game. So either one of those 297 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: guys I'd be really happy with if I'm a Giants fan, 298 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: because I think Forsake, Woon, Barkley they're going to be 299 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: absolute weapons in the running game at the point of attack. 300 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: After that, I'd go Tristan Works. I really like Works. 301 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: He just is a little bit um, a little bit 302 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: mechanical or robot at times, which is weird because his 303 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: testing numbers are off the chart. But just because you 304 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: have a crazy vertical jump or broad jump doesn't mean 305 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: you slide your feet side to side as well as 306 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: you'd like to, you know what I mean. Like, there's 307 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: different types of athletes, right, So He is an explosive 308 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: and unbelievable explosive athlete, but he doesn't always look as 309 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: light on his feet to me, which I think is interesting. 310 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: So at any rate, I like I said I would take, 311 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: I'd have him third probably and then probably Andrew Thomas 312 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: from Georgia, Like, do you think is pretty smooth as 313 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: four Ross? I've never seen tape like the tape I 314 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: saw of McKay Beckton. When I say he's tossing guys 315 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: out of the club, it's not defensive backs. He's tossing 316 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: like I've never seen so many outside linebackers and defensive 317 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: ends literally go airborne because of a player like I 318 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: saw when I watched McKay Beckton on tape here. It 319 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: was unbelievable. It's incredibly fun to watch um as a 320 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: former offensive lineman, like, I love watching it. That said, 321 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: you know when you see the highlights, you just see 322 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,239 Speaker 1: in the highlights of course, right, so you're you're just 323 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: seeing the home runs. He does have some strikeouts too, 324 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: So with Becton, you're really going for the upside, but 325 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: a little bit raw and a little bit more of 326 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: a concern that he might have some swings and misses 327 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: whereas Wills and even I would say Andrew Thomas a 328 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: little bit more consistent. So it depends on it depends 329 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 1: on what your flavor is. Right, do you want to 330 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: go for the upside and and think you can get 331 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: him to be consistent or would you rather have Wills 332 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: you already is consistent. Yeah. I thought to Shonna Harrow 333 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: a lot he watches these guys, and he said, you know, 334 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 1: did he crosses his feet a lot on those outside 335 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: zone runs, which is a problem, and some of his 336 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: past sets aren't great. And think about Andrew Thomas, he's boring. 337 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: Like I watched Beckton first and the next guy watches 338 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas and I was bored stiff because he's so 339 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: consistent in what he does and he's really good at it. 340 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say he's a bad player, but 341 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: you're right. If you want that safe offensive tackle ross 342 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: that you know what he's going to give you, and 343 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a good starter. Uh, you can't go 344 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: wrong with Andrew Thomas. I'm with you. Wills is my 345 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: favorite guy. I think he is the perfect combination of 346 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: kind of that physicality in the run game and he 347 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: gets his hands inside on his past sets. How long 348 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: has it been just seen a group like this? You know, 349 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: I have to go back and look at it to 350 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: be honestly, I can't think of any off the top 351 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: of my head. But there's I mean, there's four guys 352 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: that could easily go top ten. Nobody would be surprised 353 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,239 Speaker 1: if they did. And I talked to a coach at 354 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: Georgia that told me, you know, the whole time that 355 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: they've seen him, you only have Andrew Thomas only ever 356 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: got beat twice. Like he's talking about everyone on one 357 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: practice every practice rep like literally only ever got beat 358 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: like once or twice ever ever. So I thought that 359 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: was pretty good. Now was before the last season, but 360 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: still that's what he was telling me about Andrew Thomas 361 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: his first couple of years in college football in Georgia 362 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: and practice nobody could be nobody could ever beat him ever, 363 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: which says a lot about him. But yes, it's a 364 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: very very good class. And you know, we'll see what 365 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: the Giants do. They are in a pretty good spot. 366 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: They're drafting number four, with teams below them like the 367 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: Dolphins and the Chargers seemingly set up to get quarterbacks. 368 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: The Giants could easily move down if that becomes the 369 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: Spile though, who knows. Maybe a team jumps in front 370 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: of them and goes to Detroit to be able to 371 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: get the quarterback they want. But the Giants can easily 372 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: move down still get a really really good tackle. Maybe 373 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: even the number one tack will fit like the last 374 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: one on the offensive lineman ross from the next group. 375 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: Is there anybody that you like that maybe if the 376 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: Giants go without Isaiah Simmons, say at number four, and 377 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: I'd like to take on him as well. Um, where 378 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: maybe they can get an offensive lineman, our offensive tackle 379 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: specifically the top round two. Yeah, I think there are 380 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: some guys available. I think if you're looking for a 381 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: right tackle, the other guy from Georgia Isaiah Wilson. Um. 382 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: I did the SEC Championship game a couple of years ago. 383 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: I could not believe how big that dude was. Like 384 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, if a team had McKay 385 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: Beckton at left and Isaiah Wilson right tackle, that would 386 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: be the biggest offensive tackle duo in the history of 387 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 1: the NFL. Like Isaiah Wilson is big, big and has 388 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: a lot of the same traits I said about Beckton 389 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: in terms of just when you're that size, that long. 390 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: UM I think he could be a pretty good right tackle, 391 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: and my guess is he'll be available at the top 392 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: of round two. There's also the Ezra Cleveland from Boise State, 393 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: although some people think he goes in round one. Now 394 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: that's the thing too, is you never know how it 395 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: shakes out at the end of round one versus the 396 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: top of round two. But I do think guys like 397 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: that could be available. Isaiah Simmons, how important ross is 398 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: it for a team to have an idea of exactly 399 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: how they want to use him if they do want 400 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: to make him a topic in the draft? Really important, 401 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: because you know, it's great to be enamored with a 402 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: guy's physical ability and all the things he can do, 403 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: but if your coach doesn't have a really good plan 404 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: of doing all those things with him, or you're really 405 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: getting the value there. Now. Patrick Graham's background and where 406 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: he's been, he's seen how hybrid players are used before. UM. 407 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: I also think, you know, when you think of Dave 408 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: Gentleman's background and how much he loves what they got 409 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: from guys like Keith Lee and Thomas Davis and even 410 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: Shack Thompson recently, Dave Gentleman knows how much of a 411 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,439 Speaker 1: difference run and hit linebackers like that can have, you know, 412 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,959 Speaker 1: playmaking linebackers can have on a defense. I think they 413 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: thought maybe they would get that in al Google Tree. 414 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: That was not the case. I think they're hoping to 415 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: at something close to that. And Blake Martinez, I'm not 416 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: sure that they're going to Idah Simmons is just a 417 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: totally totally different dude. I mean, the highlights of him, 418 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: like chasing down receivers from behind, some of the craziest 419 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,719 Speaker 1: stuff I've ever seen. What do you think the Patriots 420 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: end up doing a quarterback and where do you think 421 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: Jamis Winston winds up landing here? I think that the 422 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: Patriots are probably gonna sign Brian Hoyer. I think that 423 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: they think, you know, at least for right now, they're 424 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: not going to trade to pay Andy Dalton seventeen million 425 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: dollars where every we're supposed to get. They know they 426 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: can get Hoyer, who I'm sure will gladly come back 427 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: for like four or five million. And the Patriots probably 428 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: don't think there's enough of a difference, especially in their 429 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: system with no off season between Holawyer and Dalton to 430 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: pay Dalton twelve million dollars more, especially when Jared's did 431 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: him might be ready and better than both of them. 432 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: I think Howyer is perfect. You bring Lawyer back, he 433 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: can mentor Stidham. If he's significantly better and Sidham is 434 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: not ready, then you play Lawyer. If Sidham's ready, you 435 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: play them. They already have a bunch of dead cat money. 436 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: This year. It's probably going to be a little bit 437 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: more of a a retooling year for the Patriots. Anyway. 438 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: I think it's a good year to get to them 439 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: a lot of experience and see if he can be 440 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: the starter and beyond. Anyway, so I think they're gonna 441 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: get a lawyer. As for Jammes Winston Man, I don't know. 442 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, Redskins, maybe Chargers maybe, you know, as 443 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: an option if you know, Haskins insurance, maybe in Washington, 444 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: or for the Chargers in case their first round picks 445 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: not ready. Um, but there's not a really good landing 446 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: spot for him right now, and nobody really wants a 447 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: quarterback that turns the ball over that much. It makes 448 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: it really hard to win. Sticking with the quarterback Carousel 449 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: Ross And this relates back to the draft. If Tua 450 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 1: is gone when the Giants get the four, either the 451 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: Redskins take them out right or the Lions trade out 452 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: at someone takes him at three. Do you think one 453 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: of these other teams, whether it's the Chargers, the Dolphins, whomever, 454 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: will like either Herbert or Love enough to want to 455 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: move up to the Giant spot to get one of 456 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: those guys. If both two and Borrow were gone, Yeah, 457 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: so I'd be really surprised if the Redskins took a quarterback. 458 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: So I think if a quarterback goes at three, it 459 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: is to us and it is the Chargers or Dolphins 460 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: that moved up, So my senses, at that point, the 461 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 1: other one will just wait and take Herbert. I don't 462 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: think there's another team out there that really desires a 463 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: quarterback that much. I don't think anybody else will think 464 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: they have to move up. I don't see another team 465 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: that wants to take a quarterback in the top ten 466 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: like that. So at that point, if I'm the Dolphins 467 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: or the Chargers, I just sit tight and expect the 468 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: Giants to draft somebody else and I wait for the 469 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: next quarterback, likely Herbert come to me. So Unfortunately, I 470 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: don't think the Giants position will have as much value 471 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: in terms of trading back if someone trades ahead of 472 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: them to get two of which I think there's a 473 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: pretty good chance that that's going to happen. Yeah, I 474 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: agree with you. How do you think Bruce Arians is 475 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: going to have to adjust his scheme? I know this 476 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: sounds crazy to fit Tom Brady, but look, I've watched 477 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: Tom Brady a ton. I know you have two ross 478 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: he you know, he's still a great quarterback, but I 479 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: don't think he has the arm that he used to 480 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 1: and Bruce Arians like to get the ball down field. 481 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: How do you see that matchup in terms of what 482 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: Arians like to do and what Brady is good at. Yes, 483 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: so I think I think they can still throw the 484 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: deep ball. Um, I don't you know, when when quarterbacks 485 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: lose their their arm a little bit, it's not really 486 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: the deep ball because that's timing and putting air underneath 487 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: the ball. It's really more about, um, you know the 488 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 1: deep out that deep in cuts, you know, like the 489 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: throws you have to really line drive. I don't see 490 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: Brady doing as much of that. I think it's gonna 491 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: be more of the middle of the field DNC and 492 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 1: dunk and then taking deep shops via play action. I 493 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: think Brady's really happy doing that, will do that. Their 494 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: tackles are not great, but the interior offensive line is 495 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: really good, which is actually more important for Brady because 496 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: what's big to him is he's so good at stepping 497 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: up that if you can keep the middle of the 498 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: pocket firm for him and he can step up, that 499 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: really is what he wants to do. So I think 500 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 1: that they will very much adapt. You'll see a lot 501 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: more underneath stuff, you know, where they end up having 502 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: its slot receiver is going to be very important, you know, 503 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: whether that's God when they slide him inside or whatever. 504 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: That will really make a difference. But I think Arian's 505 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: is going to talk with Tom know what he likes 506 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: to do, and adjust his offense a lot. He can 507 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: still take those shots, but they're gonna be sort of 508 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: design play action shot plays as opposed to you know, 509 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: Jami's chucking a downfield a lot. Where do you think 510 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: jadeveon Clowney winds up is the issue with his physical 511 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: and not being able to really take a look at him. 512 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: What you think is making teams resist paying him the 513 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: money that he wants to get paid. No, I don't 514 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: think that's what it is. I had Great Cosell on 515 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 1: on Friday's Ross Tucker Football podcast, and I thought he 516 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: made a good point. Clowney's not really your prototypical edge rusher. Like, 517 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: if all you do is have Clowney rush off the edge, 518 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: I think you're probably gonna be disappointed. And what his 519 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: sack numbers are and quarterback hit numbers. Where he's become 520 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: special is when teams utilize him as sort of a 521 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: joker player, moving him around and being able to make 522 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: plays that way. You know, I've seen him reports that 523 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 1: the Seahawks have offered a eighteen and a half million. 524 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 1: If that's the case, I think he'll end up going there. Um. 525 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: I don't think that the sport attorney a surgery is 526 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: that big of a deal. I mean a lot of 527 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: guys have had that. I actually had that after my 528 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,959 Speaker 1: senior year. Prince and I went to Rutgers. Dr Boyarsky 529 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: did my hernia surgery. You know, most guys come back 530 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: from it. I don't think the physicals that big of 531 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: a deal. Knowing that that's what he had now Listen, 532 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: there's other things. There's thoughts that he had micro fracture, 533 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: so that might be more of the issue. People want 534 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 1: to really see what he's got left in his knees 535 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: is more of the issues than than the injury he 536 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: dealt with last year. Ross, how do you think a 537 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: team like the Giants that trying to install a new 538 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: offense and defense with the coach, a new coach and 539 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: new coordinators, how are they going to be impacted from 540 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: a player perspective? You tell me, you've been through these 541 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: offseason programs. You have to learn new offenses. You know 542 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: what it's like. If they don't get their hands on 543 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: these guys until the summer, how much can they actually 544 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: do you know, via you know, meeting with these guys 545 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: over the internet, via sky video conference, sending playbooks out 546 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: to actually have these guys ready. How much of these 547 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: teams that have new coaches going to be behind because 548 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 1: of the circumstances everyone is dealing with. Well, you're absolutely 549 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: be behind now. I don't know how much they can 550 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: use the technology part of it, either because of the 551 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: rules or just because of where things are now. You know, 552 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: I retired in two thousand eight, right, so it's a 553 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: whole different world now. Um, I don't know what the 554 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: NFL will do. Maybe the NFL will relax the rules 555 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: a little bit to let them do more stuff virtually, 556 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: but it's still not the same as getting the physical 557 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: reps and being out there. Now. The thing is is 558 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: in training camp you always start from scratch and start 559 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: to install things, you know, a couple of plays a day. Anyway, 560 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: The difference is it's the second or sometimes third time 561 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: these guys have seen it, whereas now this will be 562 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: the first time these guys have seen it, so you'll 563 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: probably just see more mental errors early in the season, 564 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,719 Speaker 1: would be my guest, because they just won't have as 565 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: many reps going through the stuff well and especially and 566 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: I guess will be my final question. Ross. We have 567 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: a new c B A and the amount of time 568 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: on the field of training camps even further reduce now. 569 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: So it's going to be an interesting dynamic because these 570 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: teems trying to navigate those new rules along with the 571 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: unique challenges of you know, COVID nineteen to get their 572 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: teams ready for the season hopefully on I'm knocking on 573 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: wood right now, the season starts on time. Yeah, man, 574 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: that's I think everybody's hoping that that's the case. And 575 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: I think if everybody does their part staying safe and 576 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: stay at home as much as they possibly can, hopefully 577 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: that will be the case. But yeah, now the good 578 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: news is they can still be out in the field. 579 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: It's just less padded practices, so you know, they can 580 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: still get the mental reps and still go through it. 581 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: They're just not you know, smashing into each other when 582 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: they're doing it. 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