1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How does a thirty one 2 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: year a loving dad end up dad off a dirt road? 3 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? So how does it happen? 4 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Corin Rose at ABC 5 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: twenty one. A driver on this stretch of dirt road 6 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: in world Northern Jay County early Sunday morning called nine 7 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: one to report seeing what looked like a body. When 8 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: investigators got there, they found thirty one year old Shay Bryer, 9 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: who was alive, but just barely. He was flown to 10 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: a Fort Wayne hospital, but died before doctors could get 11 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: him into sir jury. Multiple lives possibly ruined in a 12 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: situation like this, So you just your heart goes out 13 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: to everybody involved. JA County Prosecutor West Shechemenhoer says detectives 14 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: worked around the clock to trace Bryer's final hours, joining 15 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: me an all star panel to break it down and 16 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: put it back together again. First of all, Ken Belkin, 17 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: New York criminal defense attorney. You can find him at 18 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: belcan Law dot com. Also with me, psychologist Karen Start 19 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 1: joining me out of Manhattan at Karen Stark dot com. 20 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: Form police Chief John's Creek, twenty five years on the force, 21 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: now PI and polygrapher at Chris Buyers Investigations and Polygraphs 22 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: dot Com. Deputy Medical Exam for Travis County. That's Austin, Texas, 23 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns. But first to Ray Computer, lead news 24 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: anchor for wd BO. Man. That is a tough way 25 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: to die off a dirt road. A driver happens to 26 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: go by and see a body and the cars, the 27 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: mts every he gets to the hospital and the nick 28 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: of time, still alive, but then dies. They couldn't save him. 29 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: Tell me what you know, where did this happen to? 30 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: Tell me about the dirt road, the bridge everything. Yeah, Nancy, 31 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: this is in a northern Jay County, Indiana, and that's 32 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: like right next to the Ohio border. And I mean 33 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: it's his rurals that comes around a lot of big 34 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:30,119 Speaker 1: cities around. I mean Dayton, Ohio hours away. Other other 35 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,839 Speaker 1: big cities are far away. So this was a very 36 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: lonely place. Yeah, and I'm looking at out a map. 37 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: There's a lot of farmland and this happened right where 38 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: a bridge of goes over a little creek. So yeah, 39 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's final hours against I just couldn't imagine, 40 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: you know, laying there on this by a dirt road 41 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: with nobody around, with a gunshot wound. You know, just 42 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: from what I know right now to you, Chief Buyers, 43 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot just from that small amount of information. 44 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: I know that this guy was driven there and dumped. 45 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: He was shot in, dumped by a bridge off a 46 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: dirt road, very secluded. It was intentional. Either he was 47 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: lured there and shot or he was shot in dumped. 48 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: This bridge, it's a small bridge, but then you can 49 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 1: go under it and it looks a very grown up, 50 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: lots of bushes, lots of tall grass. Somebody dumped him 51 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 1: there so his body would not be found. This is 52 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: at least the secondary crime scene, Chief Buyers. I think 53 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: it was killed somewhere else and dumped. And we don't 54 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: have any report that his car was stolen, so he 55 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: had to be taken there somehow, Little green men from 56 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: our didn't just drop him there. Somebody transported him there 57 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: and dumped him. And that tells me this is not 58 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: a carjacking. This is targeted absolutely, and that's what investigators 59 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: are doing at this point on that scene is retracing 60 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: how did he get there where where the crime scene is. 61 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: It's just a huge indicator of what you're looking for. 62 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: Just like you said, is that a secondary crime scene 63 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: if there's no car there? He got there somehow. So 64 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: for everything I'm hearing, it sounds like that's one of 65 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:23,840 Speaker 1: the two things that you said. Either he was moved there, 66 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: he was dumped there, and was shot somewhere else. You know, 67 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: Karen start when I started the story, I know you're 68 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: gonna think it's not connected, but you and I covered 69 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: the case. While bat of Chantey Mallard. She was out 70 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: driving she ran over a man, and instead of immediately 71 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: getting out of her car and calling nine on one, 72 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: she drove home with a man impelled on her hood, 73 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: goes in her garage, shuts the garage door, and goes 74 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: inside to try to figure out what to do, and 75 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: time passes. The guy finally dies in her rage on 76 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: her car. So I wonder what goes through people's minds 77 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: you jump somebody and leave him literally under a bridge 78 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: to die off a dirt road. The act itself is 79 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: bad enough, they hitting the homeless guy with your car, 80 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 1: or the shooting this dad, this Navy vet, a loving 81 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: dad shooting him but then throwing out his body or 82 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: leaving him somewhere to dine, just driving away. That's a 83 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: whole nother mindset, Karen Stark. It don't really is, Nancy, 84 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: and there's nothing that's positive about that mindset. But people 85 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: do get in that situation, hit run, just leaving bodies 86 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: because they don't know what to do. They get paralyzed, Karen, 87 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: start You know that they know to call nine one 88 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: one to try to save the person's life. Even my 89 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: twins who just turned thirteen, know that they've known that 90 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: since they were three years old nine one one. But 91 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: when they are faced I'm not saying this is correct, Nancy, 92 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: but when people are faced with that kind of a 93 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: shocking event, they sometimes not mostly, but sometimes just right off, 94 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: or as that woman did in that case that we covered, 95 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: they go home to try and think about what's my 96 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: next step because they're terrified as the person bleeds out. 97 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: You know, Ken Belka, renowned New York criminal defense attorney 98 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: at Belka Law dot com. If I had this case, 99 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: I would have a fill day describing not only the act, 100 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: but leaving the guy still alive, just driving away and 101 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: washing your hands of it, letting him die, going about 102 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 1: your business, going to work, going to wherever the killer went, 103 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: and leaving the guy there. Not just but as hours pass, 104 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: they get him all the way to the hospital and 105 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: then he dies. At any point, Ken Belkin, they could 106 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: have changed their mind and save the guy's life, but 107 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: they didn't. Yeah, but Nancy, let's be clear, they were 108 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: probably severely traumatized, and people are not always their best 109 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: in situations like that. You can't they're traumatized because they 110 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: the killer commenced murder. Is that what you're saying. Did 111 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: you say that? Well, Look, I think it's a terrible situation. 112 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: It's a tense situation. They're not operating at full mental capacity, 113 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: and they're not thinking clearly. And I think, like a 114 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: lot of us, when we're not thinking clearly, we don't 115 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: make rational decisions, and we don't make decisions that benefit 116 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: ourselves in the long run. Okay, Kim Belkin, to shoot somebody, 117 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: you have to get a gun, you have to load it, 118 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: you have to aim it, you gotta find your victim, 119 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: you gotta aim it and pull the trigger. And unless 120 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: the shot this person in the car, you got to 121 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: get the victim in the car, drive him to the dump. 122 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: Side pushing. You know, dead bodies are heavy. Push the 123 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: body out and then drive off and wait for the 124 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: guy to die. Intent under the law can be formed 125 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: in the blink of an eye much less all the time. 126 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: I just it take me two minutes to recount it. 127 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: For Pete's sake, that's time to form intent. And I 128 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. Where did you go 129 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: to law school, Kim, Because you've got a pretty good reputation, 130 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 1: May I ask where you went to law Skiol New 131 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: York Law? All right? Did somebody tell you there? Because 132 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: I want to look up your professor that not thinking 133 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: clearly is some kind of a defense, because it's not. 134 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's a total defense. I'm just saying 135 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: that maybe it strikes to the element of intent. I 136 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: think what you're really saying, Kim balchanists that you would 137 00:08:53,800 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: try to argue it at trial. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 138 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: we are talking about a thirty one year old father, 139 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: loving dad. Every picture I look at of this guy, 140 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: Shaye Brier, He's holding a baby with love in his eyes. 141 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: Why does this guy end up dead, shot, dead off 142 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: the side of a dirt road and What's so upsetting 143 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 1: is that he could have been saved. At any point, 144 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: the killer could have turned back. Motorist comes along, sees 145 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: the body, calls nine one one. He gets all the 146 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: way the hospital and dies. He could have been saved. 147 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: Even it's the icing on a poisonous cake. It's insult 148 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: to injury. What happened to this guy? Who is this guy? 149 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: I could listen to this Kay Briar grew up in 150 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 1: Kailua and moved to Indiana after serving in the military. 151 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: His mother tells me, the families still cannot wrap their 152 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: head around what happened. Thirty one year old Shape Bryer 153 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: moved to Kailua with his mother from Indiana when he 154 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: was five years old. He graduated from the Academy of 155 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: the Pacific in two thousand and six with honors. He 156 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: served in the Navy from two thousand and eight to 157 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: two twelve as a canine handler because he loved animals. 158 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: His mother tells me, he moved to Indiana after serving 159 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 1: in the military because he also loved the farm life. 160 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: My family turned him on to tractors, and he loved 161 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: tractors and dirt and farming, and actually he liked the 162 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: farm life. I liked the island life. You're hearing our 163 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: friend Manola Morales at kho In and just hearing about 164 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: this guy, a dog handler and the Navy served honorably, 165 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: super smart and then gets turned on to the farm life. 166 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times when we would 167 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: come home from school, driving home would pass farm after 168 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: farm after farm, and everybody in our community would be 169 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: out there on their tractors farming that land. And it 170 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: gets in your blood growing up in farmland and loving farmland, 171 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: and this quiet and simple life as the life the 172 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: victim chose. Little did he know that violent crime would 173 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: find him no matter where he went. Take a listen 174 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: now to our friends at kho In. He met and 175 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: got engaged to thirty one year old as there's Stephen 176 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 1: Bryer and Stephen have a one year old daughter. As 177 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: mother tells me, he was trying to get partial custody 178 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: of the child, who he has not seen since Stephen 179 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: broke the engagement in September. The only thing he wanted 180 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: was visitation to see his daughter and his name on 181 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: the verses. I think that's all that he wanted. He 182 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: wanted a family. He wanted them to all be a family, 183 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: and so for this to happen, it's just heartbreaking. His 184 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: mother says. Brier was also active with a church and 185 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: had been volunteering their Saturday the day before he was killed. 186 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: He had all day, you know, helped his church, basically 187 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: serving Lord. And then that night, a little bit after 188 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: twelve is when our life changed forever. You know. Hearing 189 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: about this guy's life, it's just heartbreaking. The guy goes 190 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: and serves his country, he comes home to work on 191 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: a farm. He has a baby with his fiancee. All 192 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: he wants is some kind of life with that baby, 193 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: even if it's just weekends. Anything he can get working 194 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: for free at the church. I mean, the guy sounds 195 00:12:55,040 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: like a saint. So how does he end up dead? How? 196 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: And why? Take a listen to Sierra Tufts. The last 197 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: moment was giving him a hug and preparing for the 198 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: next day and coming. I loved him thinking for everything. 199 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: Thirty one year old Shay Brier served four years in 200 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: the Navy as a canine handler. He had a love 201 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: for his daughter, his dogs, and serving others. We serve 202 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: in a church, we think we're there to help people write, 203 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: but in this case, it became him being the one 204 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: to help us. His family didn't want to go on 205 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: camera but say he had a big heart, lived and 206 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: breathed the military, was religious, and loved his daughter so much. 207 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: I want to remember the man for who he was 208 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: and who he is and the impact that he's made 209 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: on so many lives. You know, when violent crime enters 210 00:13:52,800 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: your life, it's a game changer. Nobody is ever the same, Karen, 211 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: start you've dealt with so many crime victims. It changes 212 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 1: your life for the rest of your life, how you 213 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: grow up, how you see the world, how you raise 214 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: your children, how you live your life day to day. 215 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: Did you hear this woman? And you know, I think, Nancy, 216 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: if anybody would know what that's like, it would be you, 217 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: because when you were exposed to that kind of violent crime, 218 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: you even make decisions that have to do the career 219 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: that you choose because it never really leaves you. It's 220 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: something that you can't get over and it influences, just 221 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: as you said, every aspect of what you do next. Well, 222 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: you're right, Karen, and I've talked about it many many times, 223 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: and a dark studio at Court TV, I had planned 224 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: to teach Shakespearean literature. And when my fiancee was a 225 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: murderer before a wedding, I dropped out of school and 226 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: ultimately went back to law school to put bad guys 227 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: in jail. That was the big plan. It changed how 228 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: long it took me to ever try to remarry. It 229 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: changes the way I raised the children. Almost couldn't have 230 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: children because I'd waited so long after the trauma of 231 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: Keith being murdered before her wedding, and it changes everything. 232 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: The other day I've told you this story. My daughter said, Mom, 233 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: can I ever go on a walk through the neighborhood alone? 234 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: And I told her, of course yes. And do you 235 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: know how much I had to duck and dive to 236 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: follow that child while she was walking and her not 237 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: see me. I'm telling you it changes everything for the 238 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: rest of your life. And I kind of ask you, 239 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown's Deputy Medical Examiner, Travis County, Texas, that's awesome, 240 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: which I love you guys have some awesome barbecue in Austin, 241 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: doctor Crowns. But that aside with what you do as 242 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: a medical examiner and you see so many violent crime victims, 243 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: does that affect the way you live? To some degree. 244 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: I mean, when you see stuff that people do that 245 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: results in their sudden, untimely demise, it does make you 246 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: a lot more cautious. I would say, as far as 247 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: homicides go, you know, it is so random how a 248 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: lot of homicides happen that really that hasn't really changed 249 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: how my life is. But accidents, on the other hand, 250 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: standing on top of ladders, venturing out in deep water 251 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: that you can't see the bottom of, things of that nature, 252 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: it has changed how I approach things for sure. But 253 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: homicide you can't predict them unless you're somebody's spouse that 254 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: you're agitating. But other than that, you really can't predict homicides. 255 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: They're very random. Here you it changes you, you know, 256 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: to Chief Buyers Chris Buyer's former police chief John's create 257 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: twenty five years, has it changed the way you live, 258 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: the way you raise your children, how you go about 259 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: your life every day? Absolutely. My poor twenty year old son, 260 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: all through his middle school, high school time, would want 261 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: to do something and I would say no, and he'd 262 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: give me the But all my other friends parents are 263 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: letting them do it, and I'm like, they don't know 264 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 1: what I know. They don't know where the dangers lurk, 265 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: so absolutely everything you do, from you know, coming home 266 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:37,600 Speaker 1: and being aware of your surroundings and closing your garage 267 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: and make sure it closes before somebody sneaks into it, 268 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: to you know, being at restaurants and making sure your 269 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: backs against the wall because you want to see the door. 270 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: You want to know where the eggents are. Constantly pulling 271 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: up to a red light and looking around and thinking, Hey, 272 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: if the guy in front of me jumps out with 273 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: a gun, what am I going to do? Just playing 274 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 1: those what ifs? And I've beat it into my children's head, 275 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: my wife's head, so it absolutely changes everything about your 276 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: you know, the other day we pulled up to a 277 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: red light and my husband was driving. I said, don't 278 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: get so close to the car in front of you 279 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 1: and he said, why I'm not too close? And I said, 280 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: because the guy gets out with a gun. Where are 281 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: you gonna go? You can't back up, you can't move forward. 282 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: Think about it. And he looked at me like I 283 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: was crazy to even think that might happen. I'm glad 284 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: to own the only crazy one. Chief Buyers Prime Stories 285 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, So how does his dad who's never 286 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 1: been in trouble in his life end up dead at 287 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: the end of a dirt road. How does that happen? 288 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: Take a listen to Jay County Sheriff Dwayne Ford and 289 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: kill up sailor w f T Fox. Did our Sheriff 290 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: Sparlow's contacted third nine on one reference a person that 291 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: was injured? Our guys responded along with the MS. That 292 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: person was taken to the hospital and then transported on 293 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: up to Luzar. Jay County Sheriff Dwayne Ford says it 294 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: was at Lutheran Hospital where Blair was pronounced dead. The 295 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: news of the murder took people, even the sheriff by surprise. 296 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: We did have a homicide all six months ago. But 297 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: that's very rare, Jake Kenny, that anything like this ever happens. 298 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: Did you hear what the sheriff said. He said, we 299 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: did have a homicide a few years ago. Man, you 300 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: were right, Ray Kiepudo when you told me it was 301 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: a low crime area. God bless him. I understand, Ray Kipudo. 302 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: The victim was shot in the back. Is that right? 303 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: He was shot in the back with a twenty two rifle. Nancy, 304 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: let's talk about that shot in the back. So what 305 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: that means to me right off the bat ken belkin, 306 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: nobody's going to be able to claim self defense if 307 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: you shoot somebody in the back, They're not coming for you. Absolutely, 308 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: a shot in the back is clearly not defense. It's 309 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: clearly evidence of something way more malicious. And you Sandra 310 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: Kaputo w DBO a twenty two caliber rifle to you, 311 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: Doctor Kennel Crowns, what's that? Twenty two caliber rifle? Is 312 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: a small caliber rifle. It's it doesn't have a lot 313 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: of force to it. In fact, the bullets sometimes when 314 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: they enter your body, will bounce off your bones and 315 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: ricochet around within your internal organs. You know, chief buyers, 316 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: I often hear of a twenty two. Had a lot 317 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: of cases with a twenty two. It's a small weapon. 318 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: There were usually a handgun. How common is a twenty 319 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: two caliber rifle. It's the first gun I ever owned. 320 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: It's normally what you take here, you buy your kids 321 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: to learn to shoot. It's what my dad bought me 322 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: to learn to shoot. So I was gonna say it 323 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: sounds like a daisy shotgun. You give your child to 324 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: go learn how to shoot at a tree somewhere at 325 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: my husband. He knows how I feel about guns. His 326 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,920 Speaker 1: parents gave him. I think it was called a daisy 327 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: or a little shotgun when he was little, and he said, 328 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: maybe it was even a BB gun or a pellet gun, 329 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: but it was shoot off to one side. It wouldn't 330 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: even shoot straight. Needless to say, he's not a marksman, 331 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: so I've never even seen a twenty two caliber rifle. 332 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: So it's like a training rifle. Yeah, it's very much. 333 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: And like I said, it's what my dad bought me. 334 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: It's what I bought my son to teach him to 335 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: shoot on. It's very much an entry level thing. It's 336 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 1: not something that a professional criminal would normally use. It's 337 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: just usually if you've got kids, you've got one around 338 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: the house because it's what you wanted to shoot on. 339 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: I do not have one around the house. You make 340 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: it sound like a box of Kleenex. Yeah, you probably 341 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: have one around the house. No, I don't, But I 342 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: can't tell you a funny story. Chief Buyers, you know 343 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: how I feel about guns. I don't want to. I 344 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: don't want one. I don't want the shouldren to be 345 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: around one. So I take them to scout camp, where 346 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 1: of course, because if I hear sleep away, I think 347 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: murder a molestation. So I then signed me and my 348 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: husband up to be volunteers for a week at Scout 349 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: camp so I can make sure the children are not 350 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: murder and molested. They can pick whatever they want. I 351 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: have guarded them against guns, against violence, and every way 352 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: I can guess who turns into a sharpshooter, my son, 353 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: John David Lynch. He goes, he picks getting a rifle. 354 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: I guess, merit badge. I freak out. And one day 355 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: I had thirty six thousand steps on my footbit because 356 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: I was going back and forth that shooting range to 357 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: watch him to make sure he didn't get hurt. Yes, 358 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: I was the only mother there. I don't care what 359 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: you think. I was so tired by the time it 360 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: was done. I fell asleep with my head down on 361 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: a table watching John David. And he didn't just get 362 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: the merit badge. I'd like to say. First he got 363 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: his quarter, which is you shoot I think five at 364 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: fifty feet five times into a quarter the coin. Then, 365 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: to further agitate me, he gets his dime. You shoot 366 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: ten times into a dime at however many feet. So 367 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: my son. I guess everything I've tried to do has 368 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: turned into a little sharpshooter. We still do not have guns, 369 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: but you know, it happens. I'm thinking about what I'm learning. 370 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: Think about it, Ken bell Kin, He's got this low 371 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: powered weapon at twenty two. Who would have a twenty two? 372 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: You have a guy unarmed, shot in the back and dumped. 373 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: What is that telling you about the crime scene and 374 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: the crime itself. It's telling me that this might not 375 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: have been the most planned out situation, that this could 376 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 1: have been for the moment, you know, heat of the moment, 377 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: a crime in the middle of some sort of passions 378 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: that were aroused heat of the moment, but yet shot 379 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: in the bat well you I hope you're all sitting down. 380 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: Take a listen to John Bedell w h IO TV Dayton. 381 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: We're here in Portland, Indiana. It's about eleven miles from 382 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: Fort Recovery. Court documents filed here at the Ja County 383 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: Courthouse and obtained by New Center seven show there was 384 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: an active custody battle between one of the suspects and 385 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: the victim when he was killed. For small towns, everybody 386 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: knows everybody, everybody knows everything, and in small town Portland, Indiana. 387 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: Morgan Fraser says it's hard to believe esther, Stephen and 388 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: Shelby Heistend are accused of murder. Oh. I was like, 389 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: oh no, I was like, no way it could have 390 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: been them. There's no way they could have done it. 391 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 1: Like I've known them for too long. They're too gentle 392 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: of people, they're too nice. But Jay County prosecutors say 393 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: the two Fort Recovery High School softball coaches worked together 394 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: to pull off a violen and crime. In fact, investigators 395 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: say the pair admitted to it. Let me understand this, 396 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: so you Ry Kaputo, It's not just a woman, which 397 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: statistically is unheard of. I mean it does happen, but 398 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: very rarely for a woman to commit a violent crime 399 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: by cheating a guy in the back and dumping the body. Yeah, 400 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: we've all seen the movie. I think it was called 401 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: Monster about the female serial killer few and far between. 402 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: So it's not just one woman, but two women who 403 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: were known for being meek and mild. As a matter 404 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: of fact, they're the local softball coaches. Seriously, yeah, Nancy, 405 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: I mean how uncommon is that? But also there is 406 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: a child that is involved. That is shared between the 407 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: victim and esther one of those softball coaches. And when 408 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: you add children into the mix, you know you got 409 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: that mama bear thing going on. So although women don't 410 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,719 Speaker 1: commonly do this sort of thing, there is a child involved, 411 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: which does that makes a little more son but protect 412 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: the child against what This dad was a loving dad. 413 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: He just wanted to see his daughter have his name 414 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: as father listed on the birth certificate. There is no 415 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: suggestion he ever hurt the child. He just wanted him 416 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: and his mom to get to be around the baby. 417 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 1: So what was it? She just did not want him 418 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: to get to see his baby. That's what it sounds like, 419 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: because you're right, he was simply trying to become part 420 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: of this little girl's life. I mean, he barely saw 421 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: the baby. He'd last seen the baby in November. He 422 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: was just simply a dad who was doing what a 423 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: lot of dads don't want to do, be involved in 424 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 1: their child's life beyond the birth certificate. And the bio 425 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: mom wanted to have nothing to do with that. You know, 426 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: that's amazing to me, Karen Stark. We've covered so many 427 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: cases where the dad wants nothing to do with the baby. 428 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: They don't even want to. I mean, it is their baby. 429 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: You gotta track him down, lasso him, pull them in 430 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: with a rope like a lasso a steer, make him 431 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: take a DNA test to prove their the dad. Then 432 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: their dad. Beat dads. You're lucky if they'll throw a 433 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: box of Pampers at the front door as they drive by. 434 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: Here's a dad that wants He's not trying to get 435 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: the child away from the mom. He just wants partial 436 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: custody to have visitation with the little girl. You know, Matty, 437 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: women don't really understand what was going on with this couple, 438 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: especially the mother. I mean, why would she be so 439 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: overprotective and not want to allow him near her child? 440 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 1: What was going on that happened? Because he's sounds exactly 441 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: like that kind of dad. Well, I don't know that 442 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: overprotectives the right word, Karen Stark, because there's no even 443 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: a suggestion he ever hurt the baby in any way. 444 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: It sounds more like spite, anger, just something that she 445 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: did not want them to even get to visit. She 446 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: did not want his name on the birth certificate. Yeah, 447 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: like she wanted a sperm bank and not a real person. 448 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: Now that that's a thought, guys, take a listen to this. 449 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: Stephen apparently said she was angry that Briar had petitioned 450 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: the court for custody rights and it changed their baby's 451 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: last name. Police say both women admitted they drove Briar 452 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: to the remote site, and that while Stephen distracted him 453 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: on the bridge, high Stand shot him in the back 454 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: with a twenty two caliber rifle and autopsy found the 455 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: bullet hit his heart. The prosecutor says the case is 456 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,919 Speaker 1: a tragedy all around. Certainly in a small community that 457 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: you do feel the impact of a case like this 458 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: because it's a small community. Folks know one another, families 459 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: are interconnected like a most small community, so it's very 460 00:28:45,080 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: difficult prime stories With Nancy Grace. Stephen apparently said she 461 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: was angry that Briar had petitioned the court for custody 462 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: rights and to change their baby's last name. Police say 463 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: both women admitted they drove Briar to the remote site, 464 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: and that while Stephen distracted him on the bridge, high 465 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: Stand shot him in the back with a twenty two 466 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: caliber rifle and autopsy found the bullet hit his heart. 467 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: The prosecutor says the case is a tragedy all around, 468 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: certainly in a small community that you do feel the 469 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: impact of a case like this because it's a small community. 470 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: Folks know one another, families are interconnected, like in most 471 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: small communities, so it's very difficult. So there's a motive. 472 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: She was quote angry. He wanted any custody rights at all, 473 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: even partial custody, even visitation, and she really went over 474 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: the ash because he wanted to change the baby's last name. 475 00:29:54,680 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: I guess to his Shay Briar Chrest doctor Kendall Crown's 476 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: deputy medical examiner Austin, this twenty two caliber bullet, which 477 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: is very small, hit his heart. How did he keep living? 478 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: So once the bullet hits the heart, you don't necessarily 479 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: instantaneously die, but it does take a few seconds for 480 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,239 Speaker 1: you to with the heart to bleed out, so you 481 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: can still have purposeful movement for probably about fifteen to 482 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: thirty seconds. This guy was still alive well after the 483 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,239 Speaker 1: shooting that loose him there on a dirt road at 484 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: a bridge. I'm not I'm a little confused. You've got 485 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: the mother of the baby, the fiancee esther, Stephen, and 486 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: then you've got another teen girl involved. One of them 487 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: lured him and the others shot him. Who is the teen, 488 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo. The teen is Shelby high Stand Nancy. She's 489 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: an assistant softball coach or a former one too at 490 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: Fort Recovery High School where Esther worked. And I did 491 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: see a report that said that they were girlfriends. And 492 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if that was his friendship or they 493 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: were romantically involved, but certainly someone who had worked alongside 494 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: Esther at four Recovery High School. So Esther Stephen, the 495 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: twenty nine year old Baya mom, it's actually a high 496 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: school softball coach, I guess for the girls softball team, 497 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: and then she recruits she'll be high stand to help 498 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: her commit murder. You just heard Karan Rose, ABC twenty 499 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: one w PTA. But now take a listen to John 500 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: Bedell hiotv JA County Deputy's found Shay Briar dead along 501 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: a road Sunday. He had a child with Stephen. When 502 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: investigators interviewed her Tuesday, court documents say Stephen admitted she 503 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: was angry. Bryar had filed a custody lawsuit involving their 504 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: child in November. They were doing court for a hearing 505 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: in the case in February, investigators rode in court documents, 506 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: Stephen and Heiston got a twenty two caliber rifle from 507 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: Heiston's house Saturday night. Then they called Brier right after 508 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: midnight to see if he wanted to quote hang out. 509 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: The two coaches picked up Briar at his house and 510 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: drove to a bridge along a county road, where all 511 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: three got out of the car. Court documents say Stephen 512 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: admitted she distracted Briar so Heisten could get the rifle 513 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: out of the car. Investigators say is Stephen and Briar 514 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: walked away from the car, Heisten shot Brier once in 515 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: the back. The bullet tore through his heart and killed him. Well, 516 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: I don't care who pulled the trigger. They're all responsible 517 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: for murder. Not just murder, but murder. One you've heard 518 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: about two women high school softball coaches for the girls 519 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: team embroiled in this murder. That's not the end of 520 00:32:53,400 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: the story. Take a listen to whiotvs. Molly Kowek. Please 521 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: arrested a third person from Fort Recovery in connection with 522 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: the murder of an Indiana man. According to media outlets 523 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: in Indiana, investigators believe eighteen year old Hannah Knapki loaned 524 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: her car to former Fort Recovery softball coaches Esther Stephen 525 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: and Shelby high Stand because her car would not be 526 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: recognized if anyone spotted them. Investigators says Stephen and high 527 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: Stand admitted to working together to kill Shabe Brier. Court 528 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: record show Stephen said she was angry with Brier because 529 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,959 Speaker 1: he recently filed a custody lawsuit involving their child. Detectives 530 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: found Canapki in Iowa. You know when you said spermed owner, 531 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: that's all they wanted him for, you may have been 532 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: right here and start because this woman wanted nothing to 533 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: do with the dad off her child, her former fiancee. 534 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: As soon as she had the baby, he was history, 535 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: and went so far as to not only kill him, 536 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: but drag two teen girls in on it. Ran Kaputo Wdbo, 537 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: who's the third teen girl? She was as simply a 538 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: former softball player that knew Shelby and Esther, and this 539 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: girl was a volleyball recruited a local college, so she 540 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: had moved on. But I think that she just got 541 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: caught up with a couple of people who got her 542 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: involved in something that she shouldn't has she consented to 543 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,399 Speaker 1: getting her having her car be used in this because 544 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,279 Speaker 1: they thought that no one would recognize it. But now 545 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: she's just in a whole keep of trouble along with 546 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: the other two. Yeah, if you lon your car, she 547 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: further a murder because you know your car won't be 548 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: recognized Europe for felony murder even though this team girl 549 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: was in another state. Take a listen to Stacy Horst 550 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: KCCI eight are cut thirteen now former Iowa college athlete 551 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: is charged with being involved in a murder in Indiana. 552 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: Eighteen year old Hannah Knapki was a volleyball player at 553 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: Marshalltown Community College, the school town's KCCI. Her scholarship has 554 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: been revoked and she is no longer enrolled. Knapki is 555 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: originally from Ohio. She has ars in connection with the 556 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 1: death of Shaye Bryer in Jay County, Indiana, earlier this month. 557 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: The criminal complaint says she helped a friend in the 558 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 1: murder of Briar over a child custody dispute, scholarship, smallership. 559 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: Who cares about that when you're looking down the wrong 560 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: end of a barrel of felony murder leveled right at 561 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: your head, because that's what she's looking at. Ken Belkin. 562 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:26,760 Speaker 1: This last is third woman, Hannah Knapkey is in another state, 563 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: loans her car for them to commit a shooting, a 564 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: murder so they would not be recognized. She's in it. 565 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 1: She's in it up to her eyeballs. For felony murder. 566 00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: She certainly is. I mean, if she loaned them this 567 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: car with the express purpose that they would invade detection 568 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: and avoid capture by using this car, then she can 569 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: be liable for any of the crimes committed while the 570 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: adback car. It's classic felony murderable. If your co phlones 571 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: there in the commission of a felony, loss of life occurs, 572 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: even if you did not especially take that life, you 573 00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: can be liable for felony murder. Take a listen to 574 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: Dirk Rally WA NA fifteen. The Fort Recovery, Ohio school 575 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: district plans to fire two softball coaches facing murder charges. 576 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: Indiana prosecutors filed formal charges earlier this month against twenty 577 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: nine year old Esther Stephen and eighteen year old Shelby 578 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 1: High he stand excused me, both from Portland they're accused 579 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: of killing thirty one year old Shave Briar. Court documents 580 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: indicate Stephen was angry at Briar for opening a custody 581 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: case over a child they share. She and he stand 582 00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 1: then allegedly conspired to kill Briar along a rural road. 583 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: The Fort Recovery School District announced they planned to fire 584 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: both tomorrow. Both suspects are in jail without bond, and 585 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: they're scheduled to be back in court in March. I 586 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: guess they do plan to fire, then, what's the hold up? Guys? Now, 587 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: the little girl, the baby they were fighting over, has 588 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: neither a mother or a fat We wait as just 589 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: as unfals. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off Goodbye friend