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Speaker 1: Welcome back to all the Smoke Baseball. We got a

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Speaker 1: good one today. Man, this one's overdue. We've been talking

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Speaker 1: about doing this for a minute. Seventeen years in the MLB.

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Speaker 1: Sure you've seen some shitt in them seventeen years. We'll

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Speaker 1: get down to it, man.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Said, thank you for your time.

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Speaker 3: Something I love to do.

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Speaker 1: Something you just recently stepped down from was you were

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Speaker 1: coaching your sons at Oaks Christian he coached eight years?

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Speaker 2: Eight years? What was that like? It was good because

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Speaker 2: when I went in, you know, I figured up some

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Speaker 2: want to continue to hear my boys for Cannon baseball.

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Speaker 2: So I had some homies Mario, Miranda, Steve Prudholm, Pete Cannon,

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Speaker 2: these dudes like had them when they were younger. Yeah, say,

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Speaker 2: helped coach him, and you know, obviously I added my tidbits,

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Speaker 2: but they didn't hear my voice. Then when it got

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Speaker 2: to high school Malibu, they kind of out grew that situation.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Sierra Canyon, Oaks, a few schools were

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Speaker 2: after all the kids, so Oaks had a position as

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Speaker 2: far as opening up for a baseball coach, and Steve

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Speaker 2: asked me if I consider it, and I considered it

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Speaker 2: and got hired. And at the time I knew like

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Speaker 2: as far as baseball, how I wanted to teach baseball

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Speaker 2: was life. So it wasn't anything that I didn't have

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Speaker 2: to do to feel like I was just targeting my boys,

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Speaker 2: and once I got in, like all of them became

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Speaker 2: my kids and they all needed to hear, you know,

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Speaker 2: things that would help them become men.

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Speaker 3: So that was my main focus. I love that because

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Speaker 3: I'm I've been going through it.

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Speaker 1: I've been coaching my kids since they were nine, so

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Speaker 1: almost eight years now, and it's it's obviously basketball, but

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Speaker 1: it's life and preparing you for what's next.

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Speaker 3: And that's my favorite thing about coaching.

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Speaker 1: You guys got a chance to win, to see if

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Speaker 1: championship together, what was that like special?

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Speaker 3: Because I came up.

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Speaker 4: Short, you didn't get with it right, no lost and

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Speaker 4: Dodger Stadium and then like you know, when we got

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Speaker 4: to the championship at fully to a lot of my

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Speaker 4: ex teammates at Saint Burns showed up and it was

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Speaker 4: just a special moment to have the kids out there

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Speaker 4: and the way it all went down.

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Speaker 2: It was a very close game. We end up winning,

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Speaker 2: won nothing, and we weren't expected to do a whole lot.

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Speaker 2: And the fact that these young men came together and

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Speaker 2: we brought into everything we've talked through the culture of

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Speaker 2: the baseball program at Oaks and see it all come

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Speaker 2: together with special.

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Speaker 1: I love that you also had a former teammate and

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Speaker 1: All Star Dimitri Young as your assistant coach, as you say,

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Speaker 1: another person being able to pour into kids from a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I bought in a bunch of guys.

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Speaker 2: Jeff was my pitching coach, so dudes looking at me like, man,

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Speaker 2: this ain't fair. We had Joe Borchard coaching the lower levels,

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Speaker 2: so we had a bunch of dudes and we all

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Speaker 2: And I think we have more fun than can't imagine.

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Speaker 3: Just putting a bunch of former pros had to be

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Speaker 1: Obviously, there's a there's a big lack in people that

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Speaker 1: look like us in the major leagues right now, and

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Speaker 1: we all grew up loving it and playing it. What

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Speaker 1: you know, our typical black players that were a big

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so me being boots on the ground seeing a

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Speaker 2: African Americans playing. They have different programs that Major League

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Speaker 2: Baseball stepped in and tried to coordinate, you know, for

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Speaker 2: So the old school scouts will go to inner city

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Speaker 3: Now there's twenty rounds.

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Speaker 2: So looking for the polished player, guy that's in the

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Speaker 2: So I blame a lot of it on the lack

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Speaker 2: seeing that on the big league level, you're not seeing

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Speaker 2: the talent that we've seen in the nineties and.

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Speaker 1: Before that, absolutely Moneyball, How did that come about? You

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Speaker 2: The coordinating baseball guy asked me if I would be

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Speaker 2: there's a role for Miguel to how Toe and I said,

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Speaker 3: So funny story.

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Speaker 2: I was doing my accent and getting ready for my

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Speaker 2: and then it was like, hey man, this this dropped

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Speaker 3: You know it's not good.

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Speaker 2: So he must have been telling you that the accent

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Speaker 2: dropped the accent. But I learned a lot. It was

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Speaker 1: Was a treat that's dope overall thoughts on the analytic

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Speaker 2: It did a little bit, But I'm not a big

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Speaker 2: is that that movie that put it out there, and

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Speaker 2: you look at what happened. They had, you know, three

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Speaker 2: helped Miguelta hate Jason's Giombi. And they picked Scott Hadelberg

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Speaker 2: ketcher to first to kind of explain how they made

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Speaker 3: But they caught lightning in a bottle.

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Speaker 2: I guess they went to the playoffs that year, but

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Speaker 2: just a copycat theory that kept the payrolls down and

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Speaker 1: I definitely think that's lost in this this analytic computer day.

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Speaker 1: As a former leadoff hitter, how do you kind of

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Speaker 1: You know, they feel like the getting him of the

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Speaker 3: Well, you took pride in the table setting.

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Speaker 2: You know, you're getting scoring positions, so those guys behind

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Speaker 2: you know, I do kind of understand trying to get Otani.

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Speaker 2: You know, fan base, you know, he may hit a

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Speaker 2: he's just smiling as he run first. But those are

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Speaker 3: I take what he.

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Speaker 2: Gives me, and a lot of that art is gone

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Speaker 2: because you see strikeouts with runs and scoring position where

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Speaker 2: They take pride in actual yeah. Yeah, so you know

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Speaker 2: don't like it, and I think it eventually has to

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm seeing something similar on the basketball side,

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Speaker 1: Whether there's something about, like you said, a table setter

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Speaker 2: You know, I had a two parent household, and you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, why you want to sit at my house

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Speaker 2: This dude talking. But as you get old, you tend

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Speaker 3: In the eighties it was crazy, man.

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Speaker 2: So it was like a community effort to keep those

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Speaker 2: make sure we had other outlets to do things with.

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Speaker 2: And it fostered, like you said, that diamond out of

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Speaker 3: So it was fun, man.

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Speaker 2: We had a good time competitive leagues. I played for

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Speaker 2: Ladrea Little League. We had great teams that should have

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Speaker 2: We got screwed, man, did you Yeah, we went to

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Speaker 3: Middle empire was calling the.

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Speaker 3: Yeah so you guys are predominant black.

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Speaker 2: BRO i think she still plays baseball to this. Day

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Speaker 2: Wrong it was that. Blatant was that? Blatant so all black,

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Speaker 3: White AND i hate mission being.

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Speaker 2: To this day FOR i don't like going To Orange

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Speaker 1: Nothing when it comes to, sports as a, child there

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Speaker 1: Sport going to The Lily World series was the biggest.

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Speaker 2: Thing that was, huge. Huge so we had that dominant

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Speaker 3: Roots.

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Speaker 2: Man, yeah still lifetime friends for. Sure any other.

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Speaker 3: Sports growing in, basketball, okay you tell you, LIKE i

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Speaker 2: MAN i didn't like practice, guard point guard and you,

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Speaker 2: know having a nice little. Jumper made varsity At Saint,

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Speaker 3: Whitmore Remember David. WHITMORE i heard the. NAME i don't,

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Speaker 2: Name we went to The Beverly Hills tournament and right

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Speaker 2: before the, HALFTIME i pump fanked him supposed to pass

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Speaker 3: ROOM i, said, Man i'm.

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Speaker 3: BASEBALL i, Said i'm. Done that was.

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Speaker 2: IT i was. IT i never did anything in my,

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Speaker 1: Baseball when when did you find the fire in that?

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Speaker 2: SPORT i just had a passion Watching. Ozzie you, know

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Speaker 2: it's a crazy. Story that was a Big Ozzie smith.

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Speaker 2: Fan and my mom got a bunch of memorabilia because

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Speaker 3: Back SO i Followed. Ozzie and that's WHAT i want to.

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Speaker 2: Do tell my dad at, THIRTEEN i want to, do you,

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Speaker 2: know play short stop.

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Speaker 3: Like ozzie The. Wizard, yeah AND i replaced him with.

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Speaker 3: You we'll get to that a little. Later you got

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Speaker 3: to be, CRAZY i, mean.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to.

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Speaker 3: That that's the first round pick by The.

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Speaker 2: Giants what's your first taste of the miners at? Eighteen? Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah my dad was a big sc. Fan went TO

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Speaker 2: i was real familiar with the. Campus and WHEN i

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Speaker 2: BECAUSE i was scared to tell my. DAD i wanted

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Speaker 2: to sign, SERIOUSLY i was, that, like.

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Speaker 1: What did if you don't mind me, asking what was

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Speaker 1: the money like for the first pick for The, GIANTS.

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Speaker 2: I got one hundred and eighty, Thousand, yeah which was you,

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Speaker 2: know it was pretty significant at the, time but nothing

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Speaker 3: Now BUT i was a twelfth or thirteenth pick who

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Speaker 3: ended up telling you that your, brother my, brother my big.

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Speaker 2: Brother how he take? It he just kind of shook his,

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Speaker 2: Head he's like, whatever. Man BUT i remember walking on

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Speaker 2: the plane because you go To. CANDLESTICK i signed and

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Speaker 2: spent the, day you, know At candlestick and watching the

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Speaker 2: fly out immediately At San francisco to Ever, Washington And

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Speaker 2: i'm getting on the. Plane my mom's and, tears gave

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Speaker 2: look back at my dad's just shaking his, head like

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Speaker 2: you big. DUMMY i was, like, oh, MAN i THINK

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Speaker 2: i did. SO i THINK i messed up right here

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Speaker 2: because he was just like you passed up sc because

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Speaker 2: he was all about. Education he didn't trip off of.

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Speaker 2: Baseball but me and one, brother he never played catch with.

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Speaker 2: Us we just had a passion For uh, yeah that's.

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Speaker 3: Interesting so what's what's what's that?

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Speaker 1: LIKE i, mean you're Leaving, Inglewood california and going to

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Speaker 1: these kind of smaller was That Northwest northwest? City Pacific Pacific?

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Speaker 1: Northwest what's that first grind? Like as an eighteen year

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Speaker 2: DIFFERENT i mean you have, to you, know find a

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Speaker 2: what the time's. Like you, know nobody's you, know taking

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Speaker 2: it's not the best playing surfaces in the. World is beat.

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Speaker 2: Up AND i was blessed to Have Joe strange and

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Speaker 2: you know some former big leaguers as you, know coaches

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Speaker 2: a short stop because it's very. Demanding had a lot to,

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Speaker 2: learn AND i was. RAW i, mean making errors every

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Speaker 2: night and figuring out like, hey, man come get the

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Speaker 2: there are times when you, know my dad come up

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Speaker 2: and take. Long my FIRST i think our first trip

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Speaker 2: was To, Medford oregon's like fourteen hours on the, bus

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Speaker 2: and my dad met us out there and he was just, like,

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Speaker 2: man this is what you, chose so you got to

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Speaker 2: make it. Work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, true but the travel and all the bus.

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Speaker 2: Rides but looking, back as like some of those, relationships,

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Speaker 2: araderie how we stuck. Together we were the next year

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Speaker 2: we went To clinton And. Iowa it was most of

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Speaker 2: the team that was an. Evert we're like one of

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Speaker 2: the worst teams in baseball, really and then two years

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Speaker 2: later we won The DOUBLE a.

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Speaker 3: Championship so we all kind of.

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Speaker 2: Grindt the real.

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Speaker 1: Grind, YEAH i mean to, me it's it's you, know

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Speaker 1: it's it's different today because there's so much movement starting

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Speaker 1: even in high. School but that that grind build's, character,

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Speaker 1: man and it helps you get through some tough. Times

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Speaker 1: that trigg in the face later in your. Career but

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Speaker 1: if you're always running from, that you ain't had no. Foundation.

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Speaker 2: Man like my roommate Was Ruben, Smiley, uh you Know Dan,

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Speaker 2: lewis and we all kind of came through. Together so

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Speaker 2: we made sure we held each other, accountable, like, man

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Speaker 2: let's go get this extra work. Here that's the beauty

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Speaker 2: of it because, now LIKE i don't know how it,

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Speaker 2: is especially like you, said it's not a lot Of African.

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Speaker 2: we stayed, tight and we made sure that we stayed

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Speaker 2: on each. Other we pushed each, other took care of each,

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Speaker 2: other you, know through the. Struggles but that was that

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Speaker 1: IT i love to hear that you made your debut

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Speaker 1: at the end of the ninety one season at twenty

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Speaker 1: one years, old became the everyday shortstop in nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 1: Two who were some of the vets on that team

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Speaker 1: that kind of welcomed you and and kind of looked out.

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Speaker 2: Well first got caught Up Kevin, Mitchell, Yeah mitch was he.

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Speaker 3: Took care of.

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Speaker 2: ME i didn't still have to did he still have

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Speaker 2: to go? Too or oh, Yeah Mitchell. Man that dude

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Speaker 2: was straight about, it. Right yeah he was stugged, out,

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Speaker 2: yeah real like the great veteran, player just some big teddy.

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Speaker 2: BEAR i didn't have, bats so he he was, LIKE

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Speaker 2: i was looking at his. Bats he was, like, nah

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Speaker 2: he Grabbed Will clark's. Bats, NOW i, know nobody touches

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Speaker 2: this dude's. Bag he's very. Particular He mitchell didn't give a.

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Speaker 2: Fuck he didn't say shit To. Karen i'm sitting there

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Speaker 2: like this And will just looking at me, like oh.

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Speaker 2: Shit but he didn't say. Nothing, really he didn't say a.

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Speaker 2: Word that's. Wild Will will took care of me, too

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Speaker 2: so it was all. GOOD i, mean you had some.

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Speaker 1: Vibue Well, Clark Matt, williams you, Know Barry bonds joins

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Speaker 1: the team in ninety. Three what do you remember most

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Speaker 1: about that? Team and you, know your first real experience

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Speaker 1: in the big.

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Speaker 2: Leagues, well especially the ninety three, team it was you,

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Speaker 2: know With barry becoming that main, guy and you, know

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Speaker 2: it was Still Matt, Williams Will, Clark Robbie, Thompson william.

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Speaker 3: McGee Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Bass we had vass you, know veteran. Leadership But barry

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Speaker 2: came in with his hat backers here ring on with

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Speaker 2: some hot top. Shoes first day of, Spring trader just

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Speaker 2: starts talking about, everybody, dawn, Man but he took. It

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Speaker 2: that was like my big bro because my brother played

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Speaker 2: The Arizona state with, him SO i knew him because

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Speaker 2: my mom would cook dinner when they come to PLAY

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Speaker 2: ucla A. Usc So barry was already.

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Speaker 3: At the house talking about.

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Speaker 2: Me. Yeah so then when we when we became, teammates

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Speaker 2: it was, like, MAN i got another big brother right,

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Speaker 2: here happens to be the best player in the, game Right.

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Speaker 3: But it was it was a great. Experience.

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Speaker 1: Man before we get to just Seeing barry day in day,

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Speaker 1: OUT i want to ask About Matt williams And Will

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Speaker 1: clark the hot corner over there third base and Then

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Speaker 1: wheel the.

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Speaker 2: Thrill. Man it was like great story Because Robbie thompson

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Speaker 2: was my double play partner and they'd all come together

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Speaker 2: to the big leagues around the same. Time so very

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Speaker 2: very just hard on those, dudes. Man and WHEN i

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Speaker 2: got caught up in ninety, One Joseo rebay was still

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Speaker 2: a short stop taking ground balls and short stop AND i,

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Speaker 2: asked Mister, thompson where do you like to feed and

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Speaker 2: he walks behind second base and stands there like. This

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Speaker 2: So i'm, like, okay sure, ENOUGH i get in the.

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Speaker 2: GAME i think chef hooked. Won this was on FIRST

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Speaker 2: i was sliding the. Hole man made a good play

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Speaker 2: and threw it a little bit. Inside robbie went to

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Speaker 2: the back of the back and just watched it going

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Speaker 2: the right.

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Speaker 3: Feet he wasn't getting taken out.

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Speaker 2: And then.

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Speaker 3: So he could have grabbed.

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Speaker 2: It he could have got, it bro but he was,

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Speaker 2: like taught me a lesson and we led the league

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Speaker 2: in double. Plays and, okay so but Matt, man fiery.

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Speaker 2: Dude one of the best pieces of information he ever gave,

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Speaker 2: me because he was he was turbulent up and down

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Speaker 2: when he first broke. In it wasn't just like a.

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Speaker 2: Boom he was. There he went through a. Lot although

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Speaker 2: you see the great, numbers but he struggled mentally with

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Speaker 2: the game and, fought you, know just a real intense.

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Speaker 2: Dude and he looked at me one day during the

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Speaker 2: pitching change AND i was pissed AND i made a

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Speaker 2: couple of errors or. Whatever he, goes, hey, man just

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Speaker 2: do one something to contribute every.

436
00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:29,720
Speaker 3: Day do one.

437
00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:34,560
Speaker 2: Something sacrifice, bunt, base hit, something but one something and

438
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,560
Speaker 2: they'll make you feel better about coming back the next.

439
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,240
Speaker 2: Day AND i think that's what helped me survive seventeen

440
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:40,760
Speaker 2: years because it's such a tough.

441
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:45,160
Speaker 3: Game but that was great. Advice Will clark WAS i.

442
00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,560
Speaker 2: Threw a, ball it used to run sometime SOMETIMES i

443
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,960
Speaker 2: wouldn't get a scene in The High west through the

444
00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,919
Speaker 2: ball right, here a damn, Sinker so you, know it

445
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,840
Speaker 2: was just like all that was just, like, man get

446
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,040
Speaker 2: this ship. Straight some real vets LIKE i ain't gonna

447
00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 2: come up the line and get my arm hurt trying

448
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,199
Speaker 2: get your. Throw so they all took care of, me,

449
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,480
Speaker 2: Man and that's what really forced my career is having

450
00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:06,880
Speaker 2: such great veterans at a young.

451
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,400
Speaker 3: Age you got a chance to play at The Dusty,

452
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:09,400
Speaker 3: baker what was that, Like.

453
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,160
Speaker 2: Man baker's he's, Man he's like a big.

454
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,879
Speaker 3: BRO i, mean he's the. Guy you.

455
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,920
Speaker 2: Know when we first came, up me And Darren lewis

456
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,679
Speaker 2: were the only young players on the, team SO i

457
00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,760
Speaker 2: say we didn't speak for like two. Years we didn't

458
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,200
Speaker 2: say a, word And dusty would take us on the

459
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,440
Speaker 2: road and made sure every morning on the road he

460
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,480
Speaker 2: take us and we go around the city and meet,

461
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 2: people and he's like the mayor of every city and

462
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,639
Speaker 2: just seeing how to be a professional off the. Field

463
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:40,879
Speaker 2: so how he treated. People you, know the right restaurants

464
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 2: to go. To going To, Atlanta he's, like, man we're

465
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 2: gonna go to. THIS i forgot the name of. IT

466
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,360
Speaker 2: i forgot the name Of sofu, place but he called.

467
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 3: It he got home run.

468
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,359
Speaker 2: Hamhocks you come over, here you eat these, Hamhocks you're

469
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,919
Speaker 2: gonna go. Deep so all these little, things, man all

470
00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 2: these different, Cities but you, know, personally you, know in

471
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 2: ninety three had such a good. TEAM i started, off

472
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,399
Speaker 2: you know how the plate was making some, errors and you,

473
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 2: know the media was kind of, like, hey what's going to.

474
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 2: Happen we Had Mike, benjamin a little more bettering. Shortstop

475
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 2: are you going to put him in? There AND i

476
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 2: never forget seeing this headline it Says Royce clayton is

477
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 2: my short. Stop and that gave me all the confidence

478
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 2: in the. World and from then, on, MAN i just balled.

479
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 2: Out we won one hundred and three games that. Year,

480
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 2: yeah and didn't make the, playoffs and didn't make the. Playoffs.

481
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 2: CRAZY i got a story about that.

482
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 3: Too let me.

483
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 2: On but So barry was always talking, shit. Right he, Said,

484
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,880
Speaker 2: Man i'll bet you two grand you don't hit three

485
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 2: hundred or two, eighty and if you, Do i'll give

486
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,440
Speaker 2: you two. Grand if you, don't you owe me a.

487
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 2: Grand SO i was, like all, right cool. BACK i

488
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,679
Speaker 2: was already hitting close to three.

489
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 3: Hundred so.

490
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 2: We come Into Dodger day and we won the first three.

491
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 2: Games we had to win the fourth in order to

492
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 2: play The braves in the playoff because.

493
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 3: They already won one hundred and four.

494
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 2: Games and being at home In, la we got smoked,

495
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 2: man and Little sorda was going. Crazy it was just

496
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 2: one of Those Dodger giant rivalry things And i'll never.

497
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 2: Forget after the, GAME i was just so dejected And

498
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 2: barry hands me two grand says good. JOB i was, like,

499
00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: man how could he be thinking of this? Shit we

500
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 2: just lost his. Game but that's just the kind of

501
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 2: dude he. Is people don't know, that but it meant

502
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: a lot to. Me but just to, know like during

503
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,320
Speaker 2: that time he still thought about.

504
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 3: That it was crazy.

505
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: Getting to see him day in day, out his, work,

506
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: ethic HIS vp and just his greatness on the.

507
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 2: Field what was that? Like, man it was different Because

508
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 2: i'm having the best Players i've ever seen in my,

509
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 2: life you, know The Tony gwinns and all These Barry,

510
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 2: larkins all these dudes asking me, like how is it

511
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 2: playing with this? Dude i'm, like, Man you're totally, Good

512
00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 2: like how you asking me? This but you, know we

513
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 2: had a good time with, it AND i THINK i picked.

514
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 2: UP i was able to understand his mental because at

515
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 2: the time you're, young you're just seeing this dynamic. Player

516
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 2: you're not understanding how mentally superior he is to, be

517
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: how good he is so. Different examples like we would

518
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 2: GO i remember we were playing the reds or, somebody

519
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 2: and he looks at me and he, goes, man we

520
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 2: don't get paid for. Overtime Wob dibble's throwing a. Hundred

521
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: barry comes up, first piss. Out oh, Yeah. GOD i

522
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: was just, like, oh my, Dad i've never seen a

523
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 2: dude besides him And. Griffy i'll tell you A griffy.

524
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: Story but those dudes were just, Different like how good

525
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 2: they were and, confident and their mentor was just like.

526
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 2: DIFFERENT i love. That let me hear The griffy. STORY i,

527
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 2: mean don't tease. Me so same type of. SITUATION i

528
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: finally get to play with griff. Where, man we've been

529
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: knowing each other since we was. Nineteen halfway through the

530
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 2: year of first mid season, TRAIL i go FROM dc To.

531
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: Cincinnati so we're. Older. Man i'm thirty six years, old

532
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 3: he's thirty, seven and it's.

533
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 2: Hot we're. Playing i'm out, there it's one hundred and

534
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 2: ten as hot as, hell And griffin.

535
00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 3: Is in the.

536
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 2: Clubhouse he didn't play that And, Jerry jerry And AARON

537
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 2: i had him In, texas so he knew me and

538
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 2: knew how me And griffy were. Tight so he, goes, hey,

539
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: man if we get to this spot in the, lineup

540
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: can you go tell.

541
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 3: GRIFF i wanted to.

542
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: Hit he go tell GRIFF i was, like gladly Because

543
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 2: i'm pissed him out. Here and this dude's up in

544
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 2: the training, table sitting in the ac. Right SO i

545
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: go up there and he's on the train table with

546
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: his shorts on this laying. Up he, goes what's? UP i, Said,

547
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: man get your ass, dressed because if we get to

548
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 2: this point of, lineup you're gonna. Hit he's looking at me.

549
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: Smiling he, said all, right all, Right so he slowly gets,

550
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 2: up and sure ENOUGH i go down to the to the.

551
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 2: Dugout he comes bunting his, shirt shirt up. Barely you,

552
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: know he's got his bat and his spot comes up

553
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 2: first pitch boom, bomb game winner from laying on the,

554
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 2: table coming the. Man everybody's going. Crazy i'm sitting there,

555
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: Hot i'm. Mad i'm, like, MAN i would have had

556
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: to do all kinds of prep or. Something you, know

557
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: this dude just walks up hits a. Bomb BUT i

558
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: mean it's just truly, gifted amazing. Players AND i was

559
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: so blessed to be around these. Dudes, man it was.

560
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: Fun, well let's go back to the ninety five season

561
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: when you're traded to The, cardinals and we spoke on.

562
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: This obviously growing up a Huge Ozzie smith, fan and

563
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: you're the person that's supposed to replace.

564
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: Him, yeah you get. Booed, yeah but.

565
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: You also turned that into your First All star parents next,

566
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: year next, year, Right, yeah talked to us.

567
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: Just about coming to The.

568
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: Cardinals, yeah taking over for your hero in an a

569
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,239
Speaker 1: legend obviously In Saint. Louis and then how how what

570
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: kind of what kind of what kind of person Was.

571
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: Aussie, yeah it, was it.

572
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 3: Was it was, great.

573
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,719
Speaker 2: MAN i, think, uh you, Know Tory La russa was

574
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 2: his first year, managing so we met before you, know

575
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 2: the SEASON i got. Traded you. Know he told me

576
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 2: about the. SITUATION i was, like, damn this is gonna be.

577
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: Crazy BUT i didn't think, about you, know how it's

578
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: going to. LOOK i was just like twenty seven years,

579
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: old trying to make sure THAT i, had you, know.

580
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: STAYED i passed up a pretty significant contract to stay

581
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: In San, francisco SO i wanted to get to that

582
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,199
Speaker 2: pinnacle to take care of my. Family SO i was

583
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 2: just a dog. MAN i was just, LIKE i don't.

584
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: Care i'm just gonna run over WHATEVER i need to run.

585
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: Over this was just an, obstacle right me or? Him,

586
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: YEAH i, said this dude's got all his, shit SO

587
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: i gotta get. Mine SO i got, There like you, said,

588
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: MAN i take the. Field BECAUSE i, started and thirty

589
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 2: thousand people are booing me every, day and my parents

590
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 2: were in town and never. FORGET i was, like, MAN

591
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 2: i was. CRYING i was, like, man this is, Crazy

592
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: like why is this? Happening my mom pulled out an

593
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: article THAT i did an interview in eighty eight WHEN

594
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: i got drafted with The.

595
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 3: Giants SO i want you to read.

596
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 2: This So i'm reading the article AND i said for

597
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: my words that one DAY i wanted to Replace Ozzie?

598
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: Smith did you really eighteen years? Old so that really

599
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: bought into play the power of the mind in what

600
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: the universe is That i'm. Creating SO i created this

601
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 2: situation and it helped me to deal with it because,

602
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: now what are you going to do That you've basically

603
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: lived out to your dreams and this is what you,

604
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 2: predicted this is what you forecast. Wanted and you know

605
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 2: that year we were three games to one up on The.

606
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: Braves so once the playoffs, started it made and this

607
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: my first playoff, Experience it made baseball that intense atmosphere

608
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: of the playoffs easy because it wasn't about me And.

609
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,239
Speaker 2: Ozzie it was a team thing and it taught me

610
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 2: how to.

611
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 3: Win so that was the beauty of.

612
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: It So LaRussa pretty much benches him in favor of. You,

613
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: yeah is what's the conversation like between you And? Ossie

614
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: is there any is? He how's he taking? This we

615
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: really didn't.

616
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: Talk. Man it was crazy WHAT i did take BECAUSE

617
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 2: i was still a student of the, game SO i

618
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 2: watched his Prep i'm, like this dude's forty some years.

619
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 2: Old how is he playing short stop every? Day SO

620
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: i watched him prepare every single. Day SO i just watched,

621
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: him you, know and THEN i take my REPS i watch.

622
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: Him so it helped me to get in that mindset

623
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: of what it takes to have that. Longevity the second

624
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: part is WHEN i got to that point of being a,

625
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: VETERAN i, SAID i never put a shortstop for a

626
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: young man through WHAT i went, through So i'm gonna

627
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: make it easier for. Him it made me a look

628
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 2: more we have to be selfish in the, game but

629
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: more aware of, like, Man i'm not worried about what that. Energy,

630
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: yeah got to help This It's, carmel, Right So i'm

631
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: gonna help this young, man And i'm gonna be blessed

632
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: in so many other, ways WHICH i. Was years, later

633
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: ran the event and my Wife samantha unbounced to, me

634
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: talked To ozzie he was at the. Event, SHED i

635
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: just want to let you know that when.

636
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: Ever royce speaks of you to the, kids he speaks very.

637
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: Highly of, you and he's like you KNOW i could

638
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: have handled the situation a little, late you know a little.

639
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: Better AND i THINK i was doing some work For

640
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: fox and we had this kind of open conversation on

641
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: camera because The cardinals were in The World series that,

642
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: year and you, know he didn't owe me, anything but

643
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: it just wanted him to, know, like regardless of whatever he,

644
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: did it didn't change my perspective on. Him, yeah that's.

645
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: Important, yeah but take me back to the kid in

646
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: you and the fan Of ozzie and and the fact

647
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: that you're. There obviously you have to replace, him but

648
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: there's no, conversation no, guidance no.

649
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: Leadership did that hurt a little? Bit? YEAH i mean

650
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: at the, TIME i was so laser focused on just

651
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: WHAT i needed to do to be out there every single.

652
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: Day willie McGee was a big help because he was

653
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: friends he, Friends he was friends With ozzie and played

654
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: with him for a long, time and.

655
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: You had him In San francisco.

656
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: Too. Yeah, yeah, yeah so will he called Me. Juice he's, Like,

657
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: juice just just stay. Strong you're gonna be, fine. Bro you,

658
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: know you're gonna be all. Right AND i you, Know

659
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: i'm sure there were some things that he did say

660
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: to me THAT i probably forgot, about you, know.

661
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: As far as helping me. Out but it was just

662
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 3: a real tough.

663
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: SITUATION i don't put any blameness on him because you,

664
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: KNOW i think he was stuck between a rock and

665
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: a hard.

666
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: Place he wanted to go out how he wanted to go.

667
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: Out BUT i was a talented dude that was ready to.

668
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: Go so that's just the life of sports, man and you,

669
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 2: know everybody handles it, differently AND i don't have any

670
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: hard feelings for. It you were locked.

671
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: In the following, year you make The All star? Team

672
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: what does that mean to? You get your First All?

673
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: Star? Nine it was, awesome, man BECAUSE i had so

674
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: many legends before me that every, year in regardless of

675
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: WHAT i did at the halfway, MARK i wasn't gonna,

676
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: go you, Know Ozzie. Smith and then it Was Barry

677
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: larkin's turn in The National. League And lark was a

678
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 2: big influence on me. Too you. KNOW i met him

679
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: as a kid working out the program In South central.

680
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 2: Eighteen he From Kelly, No he's From, cincinnatgia but he

681
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: would come out here and work out With Eric. Davis Darryl,

682
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: strawberry a bunch of us the. Program so those dudes

683
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: took care of. Me And blark was a big influence on,

684
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: me and SO i respected the hierarchy of what it.

685
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 2: Meant but for me to be An All star game

686
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: before they had to split leagues and you know the

687
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: inter league play to go Meet Kyle ripken and you,

688
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: know just be on the field those dudes and see

689
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: The American league different styles and superstars over. There was.

690
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: Cool he's a big boy Cal man about six y,

691
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: four big old.

692
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 3: MAN i, said The American league is.

693
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: Different they over here just. Slugging we was over there

694
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: using speed, right were playing short stop like.

695
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: THAT i, was, man it was.

696
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: Crazy Best All star memory you, Know, Bonds Tony, Gwyn,

697
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: Bagwell Lofton, pedro to name a.

698
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: Few what was your Best All star?

699
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: Memory LIKE i said this, this uh meet And Cayl

700
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: ricker and he signed the glove for. Me you, KNOW

701
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: i was a big. Fan i'm just a super right

702
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: nut when it comes to. Shortstop so all the short

703
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: stops that came before, me the great ones THAT i,

704
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 2: watched my afar, On Marvin, skal you, know all these, dudes,

705
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: man it was just a pleasure to their, presence chop

706
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: it up with them and being their. Presence so that was.

707
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: COOL i love That Wrong, gan what was Wrong? Gant

708
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 2: like the big ass arms Strong. Gant that's what we call.

709
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 3: It.

710
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: Wrong, yeah that was that was my. Man so we hung. Tight,

711
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 2: uh super were, like you, know just a good. Dude

712
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: man worked his ass, off you, know had as. Much

713
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: not really a funny story, man because like he he

714
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: had this. Thing he was our fourth fifth hitter and

715
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: we Have, Brian jordan And tony had this thing kind

716
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: of like this whole thing we're talking about with you,

717
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: know having some guys up at the top of the.

718
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: Order But.

719
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: Ron was struggling and he Moved ron to the two.

720
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 3: Hole told, me you know WHAT i.

721
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: Felt he asked me HOW i felt about because he

722
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 2: knew me And ron were, tight AND i was, like

723
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: don't do, that don't do. It he did, it and

724
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: there was Like, ron he Lost ron Because ron went

725
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: in the next game and started.

726
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: Bunting.

727
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: Dude he started doing all kinds of, shit and it

728
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 2: was just like he was proud of himself to be

729
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: so big and work himself because he wasn't a big tall.

730
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: Guy he's just. Strong but it just took away from

731
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: his presence AND i think that and messed with him mental,

732
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: man And ron couldn't stand. It it just lost. Him,

733
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: man that's.

734
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: Tough willie, McGee he seemed. Cool what Was willie McGee

735
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: like the best man was? He he seemed like a

736
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: cool so.

737
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: HUMBLE i learned humility From willie.

738
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: McGee, man because WHEN i first got into my first,

739
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: spring trainer had a gang of stuff in the locker

740
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: room ship from, everybody you, know and for some, REASON

741
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: i Think willy was in between contracts so he didn't have.

742
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: Nothing the clubhouse guy was, Like murph WAS APOLGIZI i

743
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: get you whatever it's, like, man don't worry about. It

744
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: murph really went To big five and got, gloves batting

745
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: gloves and, shoes AND i LIKE willi didn't, care, Bro i'm.

746
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: Sure but the people At big five was, like what

747
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 2: doing over here buying this? Ship he was in there

748
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: buying this. Ship, man he just didn't want to inconvenience

749
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: of putting nobody.

750
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 3: Out but this is words of.

751
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: WISDOM i always had good things to, say and you,

752
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: know when you're, struggling that's who we went. To me

753
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: And delu was hull up under him all the, time

754
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: just talking the.

755
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: Game, Yeah Brian, jordan most people don't know a two

756
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: professional sport.

757
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: Player uh had a lot of game man. Intense he

758
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 2: bought that football mentality to. Baseball it was crazy because you,

759
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: know was he a?

760
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: Safety he was a, safety, right he wouldn't KNOW dB dB,

761
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: safety was?

762
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: He? Yeah? Yeah but B jane, man he's super talented.

763
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: Man just to see him play baseball like a football.

764
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: Player you, KNOW i never SEEN i saw bowl with,

765
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: clips but up day to day, yeah day to. Day

766
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: it was just like seeing him do something different every,

767
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 2: day and it just seemed like he started getting better

768
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: and better and, better.

769
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 3: Just because he was such a super.

770
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: ATHLETE i love that the Act Dennis Eckers league, man

771
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: the closer specialist. Man this dude had all the swag

772
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: in the world with his.

773
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: Porn star mustache and his. Mullet did he cut?

774
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: It did he have a? Mullet and.

775
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: He cut the? Mullet but he swore he was so.

776
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 2: Pretty man was so. Pretty but it Was i'm, sure

777
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: like you, KNOW i didn't face him as an opposing,

778
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: player but it was good to have him on my.

779
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: Team but the other, man you could.

780
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: Just tell they couldn't stand this. Dude oh, Really oh,

781
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: no he do all this and you know before it

782
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: was really showman ship in the. Game he was like

783
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 2: carving dudes up and doing, this and that was kind

784
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: of like the thing that they said they rallied.

785
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 3: AROUND i don't know about the.

786
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: Braves you know when we got up three games and,

787
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: one he closed out that fourth game and he did

788
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: that and he, said and that's what woke him. Up

789
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 2: that's what they. Said that's what they. SAID i, mean

790
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: they just beat. Us beyonest with, you but you know

791
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: that's what they. Said.

792
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: Ackers what About Big? Mac he gets there in ninety,

793
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: Seven Big.

794
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: Mac that was a dude, man good dude, man just

795
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 2: a gentle. Giant and you know he wanted to keep

796
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 2: all that away from. Him you, know he wasn't about

797
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: the spotlight. Obviously you, know once he got closer than

798
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: he had no choice but to deal with. It but,

799
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: man just this way he handled. It you, KNOW i

800
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: think he handled it in a way that only he,

801
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: could you, know as far as Like, Okay i'm gonna

802
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: get myself to, it ALTHOUGH i don't want.

803
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 3: It and then you Had.

804
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: Sammy on the other side that was just like embracing

805
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: all that give it to. Me, yeah he loved it.

806
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: All But mac didn't want none of that ship.

807
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: Man what was the energy like moving from ball bark

808
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: to ballpark as both those guys are chasing that record

809
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: and chasing each.

810
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: Other, YEAH i was there till halfway through, it you,

811
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: Know so it was it was big because you, know

812
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: he started picking up more men on and, man just

813
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: batting practice became like a. Zoo man be hundreds and

814
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: hundreds of people just there to watch this dude hit batting,

815
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: practice which you should have seen.

816
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: It bro, Incredible oh my, god upper deck.

817
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: Bro like at the stadium we went to we went

818
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 2: to we went To, arizona AND i, ASKED i, Said,

819
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: mac you ain't never been. Here. Hu it got some

820
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: big these big like flaps like open up the stadium

821
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: by the. Roof AND i looked out there AND i,

822
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: ASKED i, said you think you can hit the ball

823
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: out of?

824
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 3: There he said, yeah and he Hit he hit the

825
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 3: ship through those.

826
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: Flats, really he hit the ball through those. Flats. Man

827
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: and Like Brian, Jordan Ray langford And Ron gant were

828
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: in this. Group AND i Remember ray coming up to

829
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: me one day, like, MAN i can't hit this dude's. Group,

830
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: Man he's making me feel Like i'm a little.

831
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: Leaguer, yeah so obviously steroids are. Heavy you know that

832
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: they called it the Steroid. ERA i mean you play

833
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: through that era and are there conversations in the locker

834
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: room are guys seeing guys like whispering like what is?

835
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 3: That what was that time like for the?

836
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: Game and before you, answer, like as a fan watching

837
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: that growing, UP i felt like that long ball steroid

838
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: era vitalized the game and it was some great baseball

839
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 1: during that. Time but as someone in the, mix how

840
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: did you feel about?

841
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: It? WELL i felt, like you, know being a clean,

842
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: player it was just LIKE i see a lot of

843
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: guys you, know became you suspect that you know this

844
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 2: guy's doing which is unfair because you don't know unless

845
00:37:59,120 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: you played with.

846
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 3: Him and seeing him doing. It but kind of. Muscle

847
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 3: as a game.

848
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: Progressed you started seeing some stuff like come, on, man

849
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: this is getting this get. Ridiculous, Man like did you

850
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: see yourself in the? Mirror? Bro? Yeah, yeah but you

851
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: know it was just, like you, KNOW i really felt

852
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: this overwhelming presence because you, KNOW i Asked god to

853
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: give me the ability to.

854
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 3: Play in the big.

855
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 2: LEAGUES i reached that goal AND i was, like, man

856
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 2: is there another league that these dudes are going to

857
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 2: be playing for doing this? SHIP i didn't know what

858
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: was gonna do to my, body and it just felt

859
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 2: LIKE i would be, Saying.

860
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 3: God you didn't give me.

861
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: Enough SO i was, like, BRO i ain't putting that

862
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: ship in my body but for these.

863
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 3: Dudes but it did cross your mind at one. Point,

864
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: NO i never.

865
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 2: Did never did.

866
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: That, yeah so you were traded in the summer of

867
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: ninety eight To. Texas what was it like being around Wo,

868
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: Gonzales Pudge, rodriguez that's a that's a young, pudge, right,

869
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: yeah a poof and then Go gonzales.

870
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: MAN i Remember mark mcklamore as the second, baseman and

871
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: my first, game he, goes, hey, man because there's a,

872
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: shortstop guy steals a. Base you hold your position him

873
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: see where the ball is in play before you. Break it's,

874
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: like you can't hold your, Position royce to just get

875
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: to the bas AND i was, like, yeah, right sure.

876
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: Enough first TIME i hold my, POSITION i go to.

877
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: BREAK i had to dive to get the ball because this.

878
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 3: Ball was going in the center.

879
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: Field he was so it wasn't he was obviously he

880
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: threw the hell at the. Ball he was. Quick, yeah,

881
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 2: yeah his feet were so. Good he take ground balls

882
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 2: with me a short And i'm, like hey, man you're

883
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 2: showing me up like doing. This it was that. Good

884
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 2: and Then Wan gonzales had like a hundred and Something

885
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: ribby's at The All star break and you, know just

886
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: seeing him as far as how hard he hit the

887
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: ball and the sound it would, make, man it was

888
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 2: just like very distinct and never heard nothing like. That Rafael,

889
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 2: palmarow we had this crazy ass team as An American league,

890
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: Team American league built.

891
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 3: Team it was my.

892
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 2: First experience of seeing how the offenses are AND i was, like.

893
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 3: Bro these games are long as hell.

894
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 2: Trying to figure out how these. Lineups but it was a, difference,

895
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: man big. Difference is it?

896
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: True is an urban legend that there was almost a

897
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: fight between you and one of your, Teammates Chris curtis

898
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: over the music being played in the.

899
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: Clubhouse?

900
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it was break that. Down so you, know

901
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: you get to the, clubhouse you you, know you get there,

902
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: early you play whatever you. Want was there. Early just

903
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: happened to go in to get some reps and throwing some,

904
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 2: music And i'm sitting there putting on my turf shoes or,

905
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 2: whatever and then the music goes. Off So i'm looking around.

906
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 3: And people real quickly hold your. THOUGHT i, apologize you.

907
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: Don't fans will understand what kind of groove you're in

908
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: in this.

909
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 3: Process as you're getting, ready you're hearing your.

910
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: Music you're really, like it's literally your routine to get you.

911
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: Going to get out on the. Field so go, Ahead

912
00:40:59,040 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 3: so you know WHAT i.

913
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: Mean it goes off AND i See chad walking back

914
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: to the, locker SO i go turn it back, on

915
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,280
Speaker 2: and he. Did he turned it. Off so this happened

916
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: like two or three, times and we. MET i, said,

917
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 2: man you touched.

918
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: This it's gonna be a.

919
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: Problem lock him. Up we're, tussling and you, know they

920
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: break it. Up and one of the crazy things about you,

921
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 2: know how this thing goes get called into the, Office

922
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: Johnny oaks is, like, man you're.

923
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 3: Straight i'm, like it's. Cool squashed.

924
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: Me you. KNOW i don't know how many members of

925
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 2: the media saw, it but for some, Reason chad decided

926
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: to tell this story about what. Happened he sounds paying

927
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 2: Playing uh inappropriate music in front of kids in the.

928
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: Clubhouse it was The thong. Song, Bro, yeah Like, tyson.

929
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: That. Dude so, anyway you, know people ran with this

930
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 2: ship And, dallason we're playing The thong song and talking

931
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: about me in tad, situation so it's. Due everywhere he

932
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: went he was talking about. It and, yeah The Dallas

933
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: star put him on the cover the front of the

934
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: sports page talking about a man of ethics with his. Family,

935
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: Right so they made me out to be some bad,

936
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: dude you, know some thug that's playing all kinds of

937
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: bullshit in front of. Kids AND i didn't appreciate. It

938
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: so we came back to here To la AND i

939
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 2: never talked about it Because i'm a. Dude, man whatever

940
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: stays in the, house happens in the, house and keep,

941
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: it keep it, on you, know keep it within. That

942
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 2: so FINALLY i was just, like, man this dude keeps

943
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 2: talking about this. SHIP i, said let me just tell

944
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: you one.

945
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 3: Thing this dude's just not a good.

946
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: Person AND i did a favorite to the to the

947
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 2: club because everybody he watching something ON.

948
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: Tv he come and turned THE tv.

949
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: OFF i said to, everybody to, EVERYBODY i, said we're

950
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 2: gonna ask. MAN i, said everybody tell you to watching

951
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: all this is he the morals. POLICE i get a,

952
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: call must have been you, know years AFTER i was

953
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: done and some dude called got my number and he,

954
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: asked you hear about you, know situations From Tad. Hurts i'm, like,

955
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: man what are you talking? About you're still talking about this.

956
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: Ship this shit was happened fifteen years. Ago he's, like,

957
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: nah he was done for touching kids as a AS

958
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 2: a AS, a as a you, know predator and spend

959
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: time in. Prison AND i, said, WELL i told you

960
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 2: this dude wasn't a good. Dude so you can hide

961
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: behind whatever you want. To we see. It but if

962
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: you're trying, to you're imposing you will on. Somebody you

963
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 2: have a control. Issue AND i was just, like, man

964
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 2: there's so much bullshit in baseball that they exposed and

965
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: make somebody else seem some type of. Way but you're

966
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: standing in behind the cloak of something that they feel comfortable,

967
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: with and they'll go with, it you know WHAT i.

968
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 2: Mean moral.

969
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: Shit there you, Go but you know it's not. Funny

970
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: but you, Know i've talked about some other baseball. Players

971
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: what was out was? Out you didn't there wasn't a,

972
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: voice there wasn't a. Platform that wasn't you couldn't take

973
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 1: to your, phone you couldn't jump on a, podcast and

974
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: kind of sta.

975
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: Like this, dude just full of. Shit this is what really.

976
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,240
Speaker 1: Like you had to wear that for a long, time

977
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: as you, said as they paint the picture in the

978
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: media and its super, slanted And i'm sure they had

979
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: to weigh on.

980
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: You AND i, know you, know LIKE i don't want

981
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 2: nothing bad to. HAPPEN i feel sorry for those children

982
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: that had to go through that with, him but it

983
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: was it was just more so, like, man you try

984
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: to dirty me up as a bad person BECAUSE i

985
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: Played thong song really AND i just had love for

986
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: everybody in this. Clubhouse but, yeah you try to impose

987
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: your will on everybody to tell us what we was

988
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: gonna watch.

989
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 3: And listen to come on this Sweet, Yeah i'm.

990
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: Gonna name some players you played with to close out your.

991
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: Career Frank, thomas what was the big hurt.

992
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: Like big, HURTS a, big big lovable.

993
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 3: Dude, man is he a Teddy? Bear Teddy?

994
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: BEAR i used to tell me he used to jump

995
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: back from the pitch and, SIGN i, Said, frank man

996
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 2: just go out there and wear out one dude and

997
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 2: you have to worry about no picture, ever, ever. Ever

998
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: but he was just and they hit him in the

999
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 2: arm or.

1000
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 3: Whatever but you.

1001
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: Know what's different About frank the power. HITTERS i played

1002
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 2: With Wan, gonzalez Wa, Field, Palm Merrill. Barry this dude

1003
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: could be out in, front just take a base hit

1004
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 2: and flare it. Like he had tremendous back control for

1005
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: the big. Stack, well he. Batted he batted every, year every,

1006
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 2: year but he took pride in. It it was a

1007
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: different type of power here where he wanted to hit three.

1008
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: Thirty he you, know the power he knew was gonna,

1009
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 2: come but he wanted to take his. Hits but uh,

1010
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 2: yeah a different type of. Dude when it came to

1011
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: that big.

1012
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: Hurt you kind of caught the end of Jose cank

1013
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: Was what was that?

1014
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: Like?

1015
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 3: Man it was he was all about. It he's, like,

1016
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 3: MAN i do everything.

1017
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 2: Was a. Pharmacy i'll never. Forget we was on the,

1018
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 2: road he was on The, yeah we was In Kansas

1019
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: city and he called, me, hey, man let's go have a.

1020
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: DRINK i, said, Ma i'm gonna get some. Rest you

1021
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: ain't gonna get, no hissed tomorrow, anyway Let's i'm, like,

1022
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: damn that's. Funny Jerry. Manuel jerry was a different type of,

1023
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 2: dude this real quiet. MANAGER i was you to different

1024
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: type of man gerial. Style it was a tough goal

1025
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: for me in in In. CHICAGO i got. THERE i

1026
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: think That jose balancing was a short stop and he

1027
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 2: was happy with. That BUT i got traded for you,

1028
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: know help defensively and uh, no, man he. Was he was,

1029
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: cool but he just didn't say a whole, lot kind

1030
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: of kept to. Himself and you, KNOW i wish that

1031
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: we would have, gotten you, know a little bit more

1032
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: rapport because you, KNOW i WAS i was about speaking my.

1033
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: Mind you, know some ship went. DOWN i was just,

1034
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 2: hey and he looked at me, like are you sure

1035
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 2: that was the right thing to, do you, Know AND

1036
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: i was, like, Yeah i'm just Gonna i'm a, veteran

1037
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: so if you're not gonna say, Ship i'll say. It.

1038
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: Yeah The Rockies.

1039
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: Rookie, Young Matt, Holiday Vinnie, Castilla Jeremy burnitt's the home run.

1040
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: Hitters what was that team like and is there a

1041
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: huge difference playing In?

1042
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: Colorado?

1043
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 3: Yeah is?

1044
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: That?

1045
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah it? Was it was to, me the, gaps you,

1046
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 3: know were so.

1047
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: Big it seemed like the lines were like, this you,

1048
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: know so not just the home, runs it was a

1049
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: lot of out.

1050
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 3: There playing. SHORTSTOP i had.

1051
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 2: To cut my distance, back you, know went forward because

1052
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 2: the infield to me was cut so damn. Deep felt

1053
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: LIKE i was playing left. Field but, YEAH i, think you,

1054
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: know looking back at, it you know some of the young,

1055
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: Players Tulla, Whiskey Matt, Holliday helton hell of a hitter

1056
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: that no he was coming. Off but years you, know

1057
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: two thousand and, seven that's who we beat in The World.

1058
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 3: Series but you, know.

1059
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: They they showed that you could win with the right

1060
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 2: type of pitchers in the right you, know right defense to,

1061
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: me defensive, club, uh you, know guys that could get

1062
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: the ball on the. Ground and that's kind of what

1063
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: we helped established over there with me And vinnie on

1064
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: that side of the, field Young Aaron, Miles Todd hilton at.

1065
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: First so you, know LIKE i, SAID i was such

1066
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: a defensive specialist THAT i loved obviously both sides of,

1067
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 2: baseball BUT i just saw how this dynamic could could.

1068
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: Work if you get the ball on the ground and

1069
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: we give you the, security then you kissed his contact With.

1070
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 2: Colorado they're scared to get the ball. Hit they think

1071
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: it's not going to come. Back but when we start

1072
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 2: turned over plays and making the, plays, like all, Right

1073
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: i'm getting this dude in. Play so you got to Do.

1074
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: Nationals he got a chance playing The Flake, robinson but

1075
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: Also Affonso. Soriano but see how old was he during that,

1076
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: time mid.

1077
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 2: Twenties, yeah, yeah he was just coming from The. Yankees

1078
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: man didn't understand the mentality of the culture of you,

1079
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: know of what was happening when he got. Traded he

1080
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: was he was, pissed was. Hurt first he wanted to

1081
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: they put him out in the. Outfield he wanted to

1082
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: play second now Jose b dro so they put him

1083
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: out in the. Outfield he was. Hot and not only,

1084
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: that he was Like, royce, man what's wrong with these?

1085
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: Dudes they don't know how to play the. Game because

1086
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: he was a. Winner he came from The. Yankees once

1087
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: you come from a culture understanding how to go about

1088
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 2: the right, way and you see like these dudes about

1089
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: just getting their own stats and they don't give a

1090
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 2: shit about winning baseball. Game it's hard to play under those.

1091
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,399
Speaker 2: Conditions BUT i think you know what he did as

1092
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: far AS i think he went forty forty, again whatever

1093
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: he did in that, ballpark he just you, know he

1094
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: was a special. Player BUT i really appreciate a young

1095
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: player having that type of mentality BECAUSE i knew that

1096
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 2: he would be a good veteran player because he understood

1097
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 2: what it took to. Win did you get a? RING i? Did?

1098
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: Oh seven? Seven what was that?

1099
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: Experience?

1100
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: Like nothing LIKE i. ENVISIONED i was over there as

1101
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: like an emergency filling for. Logo BUT i had a

1102
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: choice to go To New york or The yankees Or.

1103
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: BOSTON i Tose, boston and you know Big poppy and

1104
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: the Man.

1105
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 3: Yeaheamroy.

1106
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah so WHEN i first got, There Josh beckett's talking.

1107
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: Shit he's, like oh, man you ain't never got a.

1108
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: Ring i'm, like, no you, Go you're gonna get one this.

1109
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 3: Year he told you that early.

1110
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 2: On he told. Me as soon AS i walked in the,

1111
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 2: CLUB i beck it was nice be it was. You

1112
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 2: during that time he was on the, running we Had

1113
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: Clay buckhols coming, Up Jakobe a was, buried was a young,

1114
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 2: player so that that.

1115
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: Team was just he told you off the rip was to,

1116
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: happen he told me right off the. RIP i loved

1117
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: it because he seemed. ME i don't, know just, LOOK

1118
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: i don't know him from, anybody but just looking at,

1119
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: it you wouldn't think he would talk that kind of.

1120
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 3: Ship BUT i Love oh, yeah he's about.

1121
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: That was. That what was Was poppy And manny Like,

1122
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: man it was special to watch, them. Dudes, man because

1123
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 2: there's two prolific right left handed hitters in the same.

1124
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 2: Lineup you don't see that a, lot especially during this.

1125
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 2: Era that progressed from you, know having two guys like,

1126
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 2: that you, know money or. Whatever But man got over

1127
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 2: there AND i was just Watching manny one day and

1128
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 2: he walked up to, Anybody like if you walked in the,

1129
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 2: clubhouse he'd be, like, Hey, poppy what do you think

1130
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: about my? Hands right? Here? Dude he would bite me

1131
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: over his house and just talk to me about. Hitting.

1132
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 2: Man i'm, like, many why are you talking to me about? Hitting?

1133
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: Dude he's the best right now to Hitter i've ever. Made,

1134
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,839
Speaker 2: incredible but he's just such a. Student. Man it's a quirky. Dude.

1135
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: Yeah but, Big Big poppy Was Big Poppy man was

1136
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: such a Special he was a heart and soul of that.

1137
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 2: Club and we was down three to oer Against cleveland

1138
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 2: and he sat in the middle of the clubhouse drinking

1139
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 2: the beer and he pulled.

1140
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 3: Up everybody stopped and he just didn't say a.

1141
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: Lot he just, said, hey, man we're gonna come back

1142
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 2: and win this ship and got. Up that's. It but

1143
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: he went out there and showed. Out but that's the

1144
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 2: kind of clutch hitter in the cutch player that he.

1145
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 2: Was he had that, experience and, man we just Brought

1146
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: we just rolled Over cleveland and then beat you, Know

1147
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 2: colorado four. Straight but another thing that you know that

1148
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: encompassed my whole career was you, know going through The

1149
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: ossie situation and being able to give to the next

1150
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: generation a player that kept me, in kept me in

1151
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: a game BECAUSE i was that guy that helped you,

1152
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 2: know young players develop and being a short stop you

1153
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 2: don't understand until you know you get to the SITUATION selfi,

1154
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: see you want to hit the, game win in The

1155
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 2: World series or.

1156
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 3: Whatever but.

1157
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: When we did win The World, series Reason colorado got

1158
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 2: to the clubhouse And Big poppy presented me with The

1159
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 2: World series trophy like respect to our ce. Man great

1160
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 2: career we appreciate what you bought to this. Club And i'm, like,

1161
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: MAN i just was trying to help guys talk to.

1162
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: Dudes but but but you just. Understand it taught, me

1163
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: you know WHAT i wanted to teach kids WHEN i,

1164
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 2: coach it's not always about, you and when it's less

1165
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 2: about you and it's more about us special it comes back.

1166
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,800
Speaker 3: To, you, Right and that's just the way my baseball

1167
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 3: life worked. Out, yeah, beautiful all.

1168
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: Right quick. Hitters first team to come to. Mind let me,

1169
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: know a favorite ballpark L a worst ballpark, regularly feel was.

1170
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 3: Terrible.

1171
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: Man that was someone else that was chased at least favorite.

1172
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 3: Field we just Asked, NOW i JUST i just judge

1173
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 3: it by the, Playing so that didn't feel.

1174
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 2: BRO i didn't know what was bad hops bad hops

1175
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: like you're playing at the. Park turf wasn't like it was.

1176
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 2: Now it was like going Into. Montreal you could hear

1177
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: your cleats teen. Teams it was, hard and you, KNOW

1178
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 2: i didn't really care for it BECAUSE i. Didn't we

1179
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: didn't play on it that. Much BUT i Just i'm

1180
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 2: a grass surface, dude SO i like the natural. Surface

1181
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 2: top five shortstops in your, opinion, Man ozzie of, COURSE

1182
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 2: i have to Put Barry larkin. CONCEPTION i Think jeter

1183
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: obviously with The World, series and you know the accolades

1184
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 2: that come along with, that you can't take away from.

1185
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 2: THAT i don't. Know the fifth one is is you

1186
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: can go way back in. History you, know my guy Was,

1187
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: fernandez and he was you, know he was just not

1188
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: a lot of people can appreciate, it but he was

1189
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 2: just special to. Me what was? It what was, It Tony.

1190
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: Fernandez that's, It Tony. Fernandez Tony fernandez passed, away But

1191
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 2: Tony fernandez to me was one of the most skilled,

1192
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 2: hitters best defensive shortstops.

1193
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: To ever played the, game best defensive. Shortstop that was

1194
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: our next.

1195
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 2: Question you, know we could talk About Ozzie smith for,

1196
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 2: days BUT i Think omarvis skel DUDE i saw play

1197
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 2: day in and day. Out as far as going to

1198
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 2: The American league and appreciating his, talent that dude was.

1199
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 3: Special.

1200
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: Man Yea robbie best offensive short, STOP i have to

1201
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 1: Say alex when he when he was playing short.

1202
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 2: Short, yeah smartest. Pitcher you Faced pedro with the best stuff.

1203
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: Too what was that one? Piss that was? Nasty change?

1204
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 2: Up change. Up, yeah and he was effectively wild because

1205
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 2: we knew about, him you. Know they he used to

1206
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: have to throw the bullpens and crash dummies because he

1207
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 2: was so, wild really when he was international leg with The.

1208
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 3: Dodgers and so.

1209
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 2: When you know somebody has that type of it in,

1210
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: him yeah you. Don't it's just's a real uncomfortable. Bat

1211
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 2: so he throws one under your neck and then paints

1212
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 2: one down the. Way it's just like a. Chance oh, yeah.

1213
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 3: You played With Randy johnson, too didn't. YOU i didn't

1214
00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 3: play with. Him face. Him funniest Teammate Tom. Goodwin tom good?

1215
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 3: Hilarious is?

1216
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: He he? Is?

1217
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 3: Hilarious?

1218
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 2: MAN i have never.

1219
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 3: Heard that name in a long.

1220
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: Time, yeah tightest clubhouse you were a part of during your, career,

1221
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: man it's Weird. Titus as far as like, camaraderie, Yep,

1222
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 1: man that shit's.

1223
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 3: Overrated BUT.

1224
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: I mean the tightest clubhouse because you, know the way

1225
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 2: that the game was was with The giants in ninety,

1226
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: three because you, know dudes would hang after the game

1227
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 2: And i'd have to bring in the beers and they

1228
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 2: just sit there and talk about, baseball and that to,

1229
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: me not that everybody got along a, hunter like we

1230
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 2: all homies or.

1231
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 3: Whatever but just like that was that was the.

1232
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: Tightness and Then dusty come in and he's liquored, up talking,

1233
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: shit and then on the, plane so that was like

1234
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 2: made it all the tightest Thing i've ever.

1235
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: Seen that's the people when they ask like IF i

1236
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: ever IF i missed the, GAME i missed those. Moments,

1237
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 1: yes the, CLUBHOUSE i missed the locker, ROOM i missed the,

1238
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: BUS i missed the. PLANE i missed just the time

1239
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: right off the, quarter off the. Field you're just chopping it.

1240
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,439
Speaker 2: Up, Yeah and then when you look up when later

1241
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,280
Speaker 2: in your, career when that's not, happening you're, Like i'm cool.

1242
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,879
Speaker 1: Yelling missing out every every clubhouse ain't like this right,

1243
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: right bench clearing.

1244
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 2: Brawl who you want on your?

1245
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 1: Side you get three guys you either played with her Against.

1246
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm taking all three of my boys in the outfield

1247
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 2: In Saint, Louis Ron, Gamp Brian jordan And Ray.

1248
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 3: Langford they want.

1249
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: To fight everybody especially it's almost this almost came to.

1250
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: Blows but, clubhouse what's on the playlist from besides The throne?

1251
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 2: Song, yeah oh, no, man.

1252
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 3: We had to get that out the.

1253
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: Way it. Was it. Was the air was like a

1254
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:44,439
Speaker 2: lot of. Tupac, yeah a lot of snoop. Tupac. Yeah

1255
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 2: West coast was. Popping that's.

1256
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: Dope one guess you'd like to see On all The

1257
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: Smoke Baseball Rozsie smith. Dope, Yeah i'm Asking Mike weekley

1258
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: And i'm.

1259
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 3: Playing you just got to talk to the legend. Man

1260
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 3: that's the, best you.

1261
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: Know, yeah absolutely, Well royce, man thank you for your.

1262
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 2: Time appreciated a long time. Journey, absolutely, yes, sir that's a,

1263
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: Wrap Royce.

1264
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 3: Clayton we'll see y'all next.

1265
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 2: Week