1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class from how 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: I'm to blame a chalk reboarding, and we are taking 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 1: another look in this episode at what is apparently my 5 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: new favorite topic, spies. I set you an article last 6 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: week and you were pretty thrilled about it. Yeah, I was. 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Sarah, I'm afraid you think I might be 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: obsessed with this. You are a spy. I wish I 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: were a spy, but really, I'm not obsessed with this topic. 10 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: I just think it's really fascinating and there's so many 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: different facets to it that you can look at. And 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: we're going to get off of it soon or at 13 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: least move on to something else civil War related, but 14 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: we couldn't do that without at least taking a look 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: at this last or one other facet I should say, 16 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: of the of Civil War espionage, which is African American spies. 17 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: And it appears as though many Black Americans took an 18 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: active role in Union espionage during the war, although, as 19 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: we'll see a little later on, in most cases there 20 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: aren't a lot of records around now to tell us 21 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: exactly what their individual accomplishments were Yeah, and there are 22 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: a few reasons for that. It's due in part to 23 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: racial prejudice, but also because Union spy masters would often 24 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: destroy any record of their contributions after the war to 25 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: protect the African American spies. And then most didn't want 26 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 1: their identities to become known in the first place, even 27 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: after the war, because they feared repercussions if Confederate sympathizers 28 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: ever found out about it. They had taken a big 29 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: risk spying in the first place and didn't want to 30 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: get caught after the fact. Yeah, the penalty was death, 31 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: so it would be really bad if you were found out. 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: But according to the CIA's Center for the Study of Intelligence, 33 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: intelligence on the Confederates provided by African Americans, which was 34 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: known as Black dispatches, was the quote most prolific and 35 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: productive category of intelligence obtained and acted on by Union 36 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: forces throughout the Civil War. So former slaves and free 37 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: blacks alike participated in this, and Harriet Tubman is probably 38 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: the most well known name in this category of spies, 39 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: although she's probably better known for her work with the 40 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: Underground Railroad. That's how most people know her, I think, 41 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,119 Speaker 1: But existing records and books written by other self proclaimed spies. 42 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: In other words, white spies give us information to substantiate 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: about eight to ten more, including the person we're going 44 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: to talk about in this episode, Mary Elizabeth Bowser. And 45 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: we don't know that much about Bowser, including whether that 46 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 1: was even her real name. Some people still question her 47 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 1: very existence, but she was eventually inducted into the U. S. 48 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: Army Intelligence Hall of Fame, so clearly some people believe 49 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: in her contribution. Yeah, you can't tell her story though, 50 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: without talking about someone whose existence is definitely known, that 51 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: of her union spy master Elizabeth van lu who started 52 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,519 Speaker 1: a ring of spies in Richmond. And with the help 53 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: of Van lou story, we learned the generally accepted version 54 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: of a concerning Bowser too, and can explore the mystery 55 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: surrounding her. Who was she really? All right? So, Mary 56 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Bowser was born into slavery in about eighteen thirty nine, 57 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 1: and there's some questions surrounding her exact name, as we mentioned, 58 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: but it's likely that in those days she was known 59 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: just as Mary or even Van Louse Mary, because she 60 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: was the slave of John van Leu, who was a 61 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: wealthy hardware merchant in Richmond, Virginia, and the Van Lews 62 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: were a very prominent family. They were well connected, they 63 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: were well respected. They had this huge mansion on the 64 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: highest hill in Richmond. Things started to change though for 65 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: the family after John van Leu died, and sources differ 66 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: as to when that was eighteen forty three or eighteen 67 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: fifty one, But it wasn't the wealth that changed. The 68 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: family definitely inherited all of that. It was some of 69 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: their social conventions and beliefs that started to change. Right. So, 70 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: after his death, the eldest Van Lou daughter, Elizabeth van Leu, 71 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: convinced her mother to free all nine of the family 72 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: slaves Mary included, and she also supposedly bought the relatives 73 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: of those slaves and freed them too. So why did 74 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: she free these slaves? Well, Elizabeth had always had a 75 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: sympathy for slaves, but she had also been educated by 76 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: school in Philadelphia that opposed slavery, so that just reinforced 77 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: her beliefs and kind of solidified them. Several slaves chose 78 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: to stay on as paid servants in the Van lou household, 79 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,720 Speaker 1: and Mary was one of them. Elizabeth foe after being 80 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: around Mary for a wild did recognize her intelligence and 81 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: ended up sending her up to school up north in 82 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: the late eighteen fifties. We're not sure where exactly it was, 83 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: but may have been a Quaker school in Philadelphia. Mary 84 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: did return to Richmond though, before the war started, and 85 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: according to a two thousand six article in American History, 86 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: public record does show that she married a free black 87 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:50,679 Speaker 1: man named William or perhaps Wilson Bowser in eighteen sixty 88 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: one in Saint John's Church, and that's where her last 89 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: name of Bowser comes from. But she seems to have 90 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: immediately taken up with the Van lou household again, this 91 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: time though it was to do a very different kind 92 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: of work. Yeah, because after the war started, Elizabeth van 93 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: Leu really didn't waste any time contributing to the Union effort. 94 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: She got permission to nerves wounded Union soldiers in Libby Prison, 95 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: and conditions there were really pretty bad. She would visit 96 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: regularly and assist the soldiers, you know, bringing them items 97 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: like books and stationary and food. And she in this 98 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: way started her spy efforts too, because she would carry 99 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: letters and messages in and out of the prison, and 100 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: the way she did this was pretty clever, she'd hid 101 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: them in books or in the bottom of a food pan, 102 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: and then relay those messages to union officers. Sometimes she 103 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: would just talk to the new prisoners and they would 104 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: tell her what they'd seen, and other times, uh they'd 105 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: tell her what they had overheard from doctors or nurses 106 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: or guards who were talking in the prison. So she 107 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: had a lot of different means of communication going on 108 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 1: within the prison, but also some cool ways to code 109 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: or messages. Yeah, some of was the book she carried out, 110 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: for example, would have faintly underlined letters and numbers that 111 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: formed a message when you put them together and read 112 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: them altogether, a little smarter than Bell Boyd's tactic of 113 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: signing bell at the end of her aspect or early 114 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: tactic at least, or the pages of the books would 115 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: have tiny pin pricks on them that meant something, so 116 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: the books were used in that way. But another tactic 117 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: of Elizabeth says that she would write letters that had 118 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: coded messages written in invisible ink between the lines, and 119 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: the ink would turn black if you applied milk to it. 120 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: And Sarah loves this one because she used to be 121 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: quite the connoisseur of invisible ink. I was kind of 122 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: the treehouse spy in my day, and I did have 123 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: some invisible ink which which I used a great effect. 124 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: But Elizabeth would carry the CIPHERD code for all of 125 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: these messages in the back of her watch, which I 126 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: thought that was really interesting too, because who's going to 127 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: take apart this Richmond socialites watch when she's leaving the 128 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: prison out a real clever final detail for all of this. Yeah, 129 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: and it said that years later when she died, they 130 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: actually found that code in the same place. So she 131 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: kept it all those years, even after the war. Right, 132 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: So when it became dangerous to send this information through 133 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: the mail or through the post, Elizabeth set up an 134 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: elaborate network with five courier relay points between her home 135 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: and Union Army officers. And sometimes she would um tear 136 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: a message into pieces and have each piece delivered by 137 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: a different agent to keep it hidden. Yeah. Again, pretty 138 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: amazing tactics. So, of course others in Richmond noticed that 139 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: this woman had clear Union sympathies, she was visiting the 140 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: prison and all of that, and they didn't improve. So 141 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: too offset suspicion, she started up an act. She pretended 142 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: to be crazy. She wore dirty torn clothing, she left 143 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: her hair uncombed, it got all matted. She would hum, 144 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: she would jerk her head back and forth and carry 145 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: on conversations with herself while she walked down the street. 146 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: People even started calling her crazy bet, so nobody paid 147 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: that much heed to what she was doing. Yeah, and 148 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: again to compare her to Bell Boyd, I mean, in 149 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: that episode we talked about how Bell used her feminine 150 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: wiles to carry off her spine draw out information from 151 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: from union men. Yeah, exactly, And Elizabeth has had to 152 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: pretend to be crazy and you know, use all these 153 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: secret codes, all these kind of involved tactics. Because she 154 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: was in her forties when she started spying and was 155 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: a spinster, not necessarily considered that attractive, so she took 156 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: a different approach. She did um and it was a 157 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: fairly effective one. Another thing that she did that was 158 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: different from Bell too, though, is that she didn't work alone. 159 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: And probably the best known for is establishing this extensive 160 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: network of spies in Richmond that the Federals dubbed the 161 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: Richmond Ring, and it consisted of hundreds of spies that 162 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: managed to work their way into pretty much every arm 163 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: of the Confederate. Established Libby Prison, the war, Navy departments, 164 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: Richmond businesses, and with the help of Mary Bowser, into 165 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: the Confederate Executive Mansion itself. All right, so we've got 166 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 1: to explain the background behind that. It said that Elizabeth, 167 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: perhaps through the recommendation of society connections, got Mary a 168 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: job as a servant in none other than Jefferson Davis's 169 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: household under the name Ellen Bond. And Mary, of course 170 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: was said to be intelligent. She had gone to school, 171 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: but she also put on an act, just like Elizabeth 172 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: in a way. She didn't let others know how smart 173 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: she really was. She pretended to be kind of dim witted, 174 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: a little bit loopy, so no one in the Executive 175 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: Mansion would think anything of saying important things in front 176 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: of her. Yeah, up to that point, slaves in general 177 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: were underestimated, though that's started to change a little bit 178 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: as the war went on. That was one of the 179 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 1: things that really blew me away about this this podcast too, 180 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: that that you would have to go through that transformation 181 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: of feeling that people would be so confident to speak 182 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: in front of their slaves at the beginning of the 183 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: war at least, Yeah, it's hard for us to imagine nowadays. 184 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: But in eighteen sixty three, General Robert E. Lee made 185 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: a statement that I think was kind of a revelation 186 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: at the time. His quote was, the chief source of 187 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: information to the enemy is through our negroes. I mean, 188 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 1: people didn't even realize that their servants would be listening 189 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: or would be taking in and interpreting the information that 190 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: they were so freely giving out. Yeah, so apparently Mary's 191 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: tactic worked. You know, she made herself blend into the background, 192 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: just kind of a spacey young woman who was working 193 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: in the house. And meanwhile though she was listening to 194 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: everything she heard while she was serving meals in the 195 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: presidential dining room, she saved scraps from Davis's waiste basket 196 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,839 Speaker 1: while she cleaned up his study. She would memorize messages 197 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: that she read on his desk while she was dusting. 198 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: And man Thomas McNiven, who was a Scottish baker in 199 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: Richmond at the time and also a union spy and 200 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: the one who gave us the only documented reference to 201 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: Mary as a union spy, said that she had a 202 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: photographic memory, so she could remember every word of the 203 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: messages that she saw. Yeah, and the info that she 204 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:23,479 Speaker 1: got included things like true movements, military strategies, treasury reports, 205 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: and from time to time Mary would meet up with 206 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: Elizabeth near the Van Loom mansion to give her reports 207 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: of what she learned, and then Elizabeth would come dressed 208 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: as a countrywoman so that she wouldn't be recognized, basically, 209 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: And it said that McNiven, for his part, would sometimes 210 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: serve as a courier for Mary too. When his bakery 211 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: wagon came around to the Executive mansion, she had passed 212 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: information along to him, and nobody thought anything of it 213 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: because it was just the baker coming backer and the 214 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: servant picking up the goods. So Mary pulled off this 215 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: act from about eighteen sixty three to eighteen sixty five, 216 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: and Elizabeth reported everything she found out back to Ulysses 217 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: as grant, and it said at one point General Lee 218 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: complained that the enemy received his directives before they even 219 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: reached his own lieutenant. So clearly there was a pretty 220 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: sophisticated spying system going on in Richmond. Yeah, and it's 221 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: also said that Davis suspected that there was a leak 222 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: in his house, but he never managed to really figure 223 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: out who it was. But Mary must have felt the 224 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: heat of suspicion, because in eighteen sixty five she just disappeared. 225 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: She fled the capital, and some even say that she 226 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: may have tried to burn down the house on her 227 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: way out the door. We're not sure if that's actually 228 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: kind of call attention to your own play, but nonetheless, 229 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: no one knows what happened to her. So after the war, 230 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: Van Loo and the federal government destroyed all the records 231 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: of the Richmond Ring to protect the lives of everybody 232 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: who was involved. But again that's why so many details 233 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: of Mary's life are still very sketchy. So we mentioned 234 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: McNiven and how he gave us our only documented source 235 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: of Mary's spying, but some people even feel that his 236 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: account can't be trusted because he had this tendency to exaggerate. Nevertheless, 237 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 1: stories about Mary did start showing up as earliest nineteen 238 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: hundred in Richmond newspapers, and Ben los Niece even revealed 239 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: her name in an interview in nineteen ten, so clearly 240 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: some people knew who this was, and they were talking 241 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: about her well after the fact. Bowser maybe even left 242 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: a diary behind, and it had reportedly been seen by 243 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: the wife of her great great grand nephew as late 244 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: as in nineteen fifty two and would have been a 245 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: gold mine of information about her life potentially, but it 246 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: was thrown away. And we mentioned at the beginning that 247 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: we weren't even exactly sure about what Mary's real name 248 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: was because more recent research by scholar Elizabeth Varren, who 249 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: wrote a book on Van lu suggests that Mary's name 250 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: was actually Mary Jane Richards, and Mary Jane Richards was 251 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: a Van Lou slave who was sent to be educated 252 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: in New Jersey as a child, and after the war, 253 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: Richard's married this guy with the last named Garvin and 254 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: went on to become an educator and a couple of 255 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: times in an interview and in a letter, she did 256 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: admit to working in the Secret Service during the war 257 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: as a detective, even though parts of her story contradict 258 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: some other accounts of Bowser's life. So it's it's hard 259 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: to say. Maybe this is the same woman, maybe maybe 260 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: it's different. Yeah, maybe it does lend some validity to 261 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: Bowser's story, though the story that a person like her 262 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: existed after the war. Verena Davis Jefferson, Davis's wife, was 263 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: asked about the espionage work of her former maid, Mary Bowser, 264 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: and she denied that any of her Richmond servants could 265 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: have been spies, and in nineteen o five letters she 266 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: even said quote, I had no educated Negro in my 267 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: household and really just flatly denied having hired anyone from 268 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: Van Lou. So her response is considered kind of questionable though, 269 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: because she reportedly had a few servants on staff who 270 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: were very well known and widely known around the area 271 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: to be educated. So she may have have said this 272 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: because she didn't want to admit that she had been 273 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: duped by someone working in her household. Yeah, or maybe 274 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: she wasn't even aware of what was going on in 275 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: her household, didn't realize her own servants were educated, especially 276 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: since we know Mary was putting on an act. Presumably 277 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: others could have been too, and that's a good point. 278 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: But as for Van Lou, Grant praised her after the 279 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: war for her contributions. He said quote, you have sent 280 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: me the most valuable information received from Richmond during the war, 281 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: so very high praise. And when he became president, he 282 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: appointed her Richmond postmaster, a position that paid four thousand 283 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 1: dollars a year, but after he left office, she lost 284 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: that gig. She went on to work in the Washington 285 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: Post Office, but eventually had to leave that too, and 286 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: then couldn't get work. Yeah, and by the time she 287 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: died on September dred at the age of eighty two, 288 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: she was very poor. She was lonely. She had spent 289 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: all her money, all her inheritance on her spy efforts 290 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: during the war and helping former slaves after that. And 291 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: in the end, the family of a man she had 292 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: helped libby prison came through for her. They gave her 293 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: some income, but she still had no friends locally because 294 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: of that controversial stance she had taken during the war. 295 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: So kind of a sad ending to the story of 296 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: a master spy, but interesting. Nonetheless, she's certainly stuck to 297 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: her principles. We can can say that for her. Yeah, 298 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 1: she really did stick to her principle. She stuck to 299 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: her guns, and she really remained who she was. And 300 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: I think that's a good spot now to move on 301 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: to a listener mail. We have a email here from 302 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: Krista and she writes, Hello, ladies. I've been a fan 303 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: of your podcast for a while, but until now I 304 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: haven't had a reason beyond thanks and praise to write 305 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: in I feel that you missed one major factor in 306 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: explaining Australia's collective obsession with Ned Kelly. While most of 307 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: us are recent immigrants with no convict heritage, we still 308 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: appreciate a good, honest criminal. The reasons for this go 309 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: beyond the robin Hood syndrome that you mentioned. Ingrained in 310 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: our culture is a contempt for authority. We love seeing 311 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: someone stick it to the law, We love a joke 312 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: at the expense of the rich and powerful, and we 313 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: tend to cheer on the underdog. Perhaps to an American 314 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: this irreverence isn't immediately obvious, but understanding this larricani ism 315 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: is a vital part of explaining why we pick such 316 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: bizarre folk heroes and are generally uncomfortable with overt patriotism. 317 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: I don't quite know how to explain the concept, but 318 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: the Larrikin is a strange figure who rears his sardonic 319 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: head all through Australian cultural history, from murderous bush rangers 320 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: to soldiers in World War One who refused to obey 321 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: nonsensical orders from British command. Consider the song Waltze and Matilda, 322 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 1: said to be something of an informal national anthem. It 323 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: is a fairly ridiculous song about stealing sheep or a 324 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: sheer strike. It's worth checking out simply for an explanation 325 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: of the old assie slang. I really liked this letter 326 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: because I had never heard of alarican before, so I 327 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: immediately when looked it up. And it's a kind of 328 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: cool concept I think to have as kind of just 329 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: a national idea. It adds some to my understanding of 330 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: ned Kelly too, for sure. The other main email we 331 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: got about the ned Kelly podcast was telling us about 332 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: all of the movie, so we should have a viewing 333 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: party one of these days. With the Heath Ledger movie, 334 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: there's a Mick Jagger one which has generally been hands 335 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: and by most of our listeners. So yeah, we could 336 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: just have a ned Kelly marathon it themes. Yeah, we 337 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: should do that. So thanks for the movie suggestions, and 338 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: thank you for the vocabulary lesson. It was awesome to 339 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: kind of learn that new concept. Um, if you have 340 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: any other movie suggestions for us, episodes, suggestions, any more 341 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: spies you want us to focus on, even though Sarah 342 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: may kill me, if we keep along the spy route 343 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: much longer, although you've enjoyed enjoy she has enjoyed it, 344 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: So send us more spies. If you want to work 345 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: history podcast at how stuff Works dot com, or you 346 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: can look us up on Twitter at myston History or 347 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: on Facebook. Yeah, bonus point if you write a suggestion 348 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: in invisible ink. 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