1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to know your foe on Colts dot Com and 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: in depth look at the upcoming matchup. Here are your host, 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: Casey Valier and former Colts wide receiver Bill Brooks. Welcome 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: in to know your foe on Colts dot Com. I'm 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: your host, Casey Valier. Joint is always by Culturing and 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: of OTTO member Bill Brooks. The Colts travel to Sin 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: City this weekend to take on the Raiders and to 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: get us locked in on all things Raiders. When you're 9 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: joined by case Keeper, who covers the Raiders for the 10 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: Las Vegas Son case. Thank you so much for the time. 11 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: How you doing, I'm doing good, Thanks for having me. 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 1: Good talk to you guys. Great to talk to you 13 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: as well. Now we're talking about a couple of teams 14 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: who haven't quite lived up to the expectations to this point. 15 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: Looking at it from a Raiders perspective, they were thought 16 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: to be maybe a possible sleeper Super Bowl pick to some, 17 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: but definitely a playoff team for most. And diving into 18 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: the specifics, we'll do that throughout this conversation, but painting 19 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: this with more of a broad stroke, why haven't the 20 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: Raiders really lived up to those lofty expectations to this 21 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: point in the season. Yeah, I mean, Mesilata goes into 22 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: it obviously. I know you guys have probably seen some 23 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: of that in Indianapolis too, but you know, it's it's 24 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: a variety of things. You know, a lot of it 25 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: last year when I think a part of the expectations 26 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: where they brought in a lot of new, big name guys, 27 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: of course, headlined by Davante Adams. Then the other part 28 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: of the expectations was that, you know, the playoff run 29 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: they made last year and winning four games at the 30 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: end of the year to get there and kind of 31 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: overcoming everything. But really what was going right in that 32 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: run and all last season was they just kept winning 33 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: these crazy games at the end of the game. I 34 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: think they said an NFL record with at least six 35 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: walkoff wins. It just seemed like they kept coming up, 36 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: you know, on the right side of all these super 37 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: close games. And it's really flipped this year. I mean 38 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: that they've only they got blown out two weeks ago 39 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: against New Orleans twenty four to zero, but other than that, 40 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: every game has been a touchdown or less that they've lost. 41 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: It just seems like, you know, some of the late 42 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: game execution. Stuff that they were doing well a year 43 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: ago that really benefited them is kind of faded this 44 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: year and it's really putting them behind the eight ball 45 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: now and in a really bad position. Certainly that's not 46 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: the only issue, but you know, if you're boiling it 47 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: down to one thing, it just seems like the in 48 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: game situations of flipped and that's really cost him this year. Now. 49 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: I know, last year we had what happened with John 50 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: Gruden and Bisaccia came in. It seemed like he kind 51 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: of galvanized the team. They go a different direction with 52 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels coming in, and as we've mentioned, things have 53 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: definitely not gotten off the way that he started. Is 54 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: there a little issue with you know, maybe Josh McDaniels 55 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: being one of those one and done or is it 56 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: they're kind of letting him kind of evolve and see 57 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: what the team is going to be moving forward. I 58 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: think it's a little too early. I know a lot 59 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: of people are speculating on that the one and done 60 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: right now. As of right now, I think it's still 61 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: kind of a long shot that you would see him gone. 62 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: You know, of course, that doesn't mean things can't change. 63 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: I mean, if, for instance, they don't win another game 64 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: the rest of the season, are they only win one game, 65 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: that can change. But right now, I do think Mark 66 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: Davis still has faith in both he and the new 67 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: general manager, Dave Ziggler he brought in this offseason. He 68 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: really saw them being here for a long time. I 69 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: think they probably have a longer lease than people realize. 70 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: Mark Davis was disappointed with the way they started, just 71 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: like everyone else. But you know, I think if they 72 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: show some progress down the stretch here, I think we'll 73 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: certainly go into next season and he'll be okay. I 74 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: think it would take a big collapse for that not 75 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: to be the case. But you know, I do think 76 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: you're at risk of losing some of your players now. 77 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: I mean at two and six, this team had a 78 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: lot of hype coming into the season, as you alluded to, 79 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: a lot of talk of what they could do, and 80 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: they all loved rich Vesaccia last year. I know it's 81 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: a lot of different locker room now. They run in 82 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: some guys, but you know, we kind of saw some 83 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: tensions boiling over after the latest loss. It seems to 84 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: be work out now going into the Polts game. If 85 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: you keep losing. I guess you keep poking the bear, 86 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: so to speak, and we'll have to see what happens. 87 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: If that's the case. Case, I want to move to 88 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: the offense now. In my opinion, Derek Carr is a 89 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: good quarterback and has been one of the few underrated 90 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the league. But this year he has gotten 91 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: off to a slow start. What has been the reason 92 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: or reasons for this slow start? Yeah, I mean, they 93 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: say this isn't the case, but really, to me watching 94 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: he just him and McDaniels and don't seem completely comfortable 95 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: with each other within the system. There's been a bunch 96 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: back and forth. You know how much he's audible and 97 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: how much he can get out of play, and I mean, 98 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: to me, it looks like you just watch, it looks 99 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,119 Speaker 1: like that they're hardly ever getting out of any play 100 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: you leave. Listen to what Derek Carr says all the time. 101 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: He says, you know, I'm just trying to execute what 102 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: Josh wants the most. And you know, Josh McDaniels that 103 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: has a really rigid system that's worked well for him 104 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: over the years. But you know there's very specific guys 105 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: he wants the balls to go to a very specific way. 106 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: He wants Derek Carr to do us progressions. And you know, 107 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: I'm not pointing to blame it either one of the two. 108 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: They've both had their issues. I think McDaniels maybe should 109 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: have switched things up, made Derek a little bit more comfortable. 110 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: But I also think Derek Carr's having a obviously a 111 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: down yere We've seen this though. He's had so many 112 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: coaching changes, and almost every time he's had a new coach, 113 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: he's really struggled the first year. It's taken a while 114 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: to sink in and you would hope maybe you're past 115 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: that in the year nine, but at least to me 116 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: watching it just doesn't seem like. It seems like he's 117 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: just even halfway through the season, still not fully comfortable 118 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,559 Speaker 1: in this new offense. Now, on the other hand, Josh 119 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 1: Jacobs has gotten off to a solid start this season. 120 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: He's fourth and the National Fotball League in Russian yards 121 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: and also has been a good back for the Raiders 122 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: throughout his career. Now this pass offs in the Raiders 123 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: declined his fifth year option on his contract. In your opinion, 124 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: what does he mean to the Raiders offense? And do 125 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: you think he's in the future plans? Oh well, I 126 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: mean right now he means just about everything I play offense. Probably, 127 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: I'd say Davante Adams is still probably the number one guy. No, 128 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: He's had some quiet games, but I think they're going 129 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: to be forcing the ball a lot to him down 130 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: the stretch. So but I think it's Adams one A 131 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: and Jacobs won B. I mean, he's been unbelievable. It's 132 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: a tough for me to see. You know, just reading 133 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: the tea leaves them him being part of their long 134 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: term plans. I'm sure they really wish they would have 135 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: exercised the fifth year option now with the with the 136 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: way he's playing, you know, it's going to cost a 137 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: lot more now to keep him. And if you just 138 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: look at what these guys I think Daniels and Ziggler 139 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: have done over the years in New England, they just 140 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: don't give that kind of contracts out to running backs. Now. 141 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: They could always stray from the path, and that could 142 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: be the case, But if I were betting on it, 143 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: I don't think Jacobs will be with the Raiders long term. 144 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: I think they really wish they would have him a 145 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: lead one more year, and I think that was a 146 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: really He hasn't said this explicitly, but I think not 147 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: having that fifth year option exercise was a real wake 148 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: up call to him. I think he really dedicated himself 149 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: in the off season. He said he started eating well 150 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: for the first time in his life, hired a nutritionist, 151 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: really worked out harder than ever, and he said he's 152 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: more durable now, which we've seen he hasn't missed a 153 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: game despite even being sick for one. So I think 154 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: that was really a thing that gave him a spark, 155 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: and certainly all the work he put it in the 156 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: off season his tan off so far. We're talking with 157 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: case Kiever covers the Raiders for their lost Vegas Sun. 158 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: One of the things you mentioned there one A is 159 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: Davante Adams inside this This Raiders offense definitely one of 160 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: the biggest moves in the league during the off season. 161 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: I want to talk about. You know, he's got big 162 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: numbers and they are what they are, but do you 163 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: think this offense may be too dependent on Davantae Adams. 164 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: It's a good question, I think not necessarily, just because 165 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: if you look at their wins, you know, in their 166 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: best games, I would say, other than the win, their 167 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: other best game was when they lost by one point 168 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: to the Chiefs. I mean, if they have an inch 169 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: or too close or the two point conversion, they win 170 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: that game. I think their best games have probably been 171 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: more focused on Jacobs. You know, some of these games lately, 172 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: it seems like the receivers haven't been stepping up. But 173 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: early in the season we saw Mac Collins, guys who 174 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: kind of fit into that number two receiver role in 175 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: between Renfro and the Swat, really have a good game. 176 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: You know, they've been hurt a lot in the receiving corps. 177 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: I know, a lot of the hype come into the 178 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: season on the Raiders is about, oh, it's going to 179 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: be great to see these three Pro bowlers Davante Adams, Hunter, 180 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: Refro and and Waller offics and passes next to each other. 181 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: That's hardly happened at all with Waller has been out 182 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: so long and Renfro is out early in the season, 183 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: so you know, I don't think it's leaned too much 184 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: on him. I think maybe we'll see that more as 185 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: the season goes on. To Vanta, Ada's a certain campaigning 186 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: for that to happen further. But you know, I think 187 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: there's been just as many games where they've leaned heavily 188 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: on Jacobs. Yeah, you just look inside this division. You 189 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: had guys like Travis Kelsey a paired up with Tyree 190 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: Hill in Kansas City. I know that looks a little 191 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: different now, but also you had Keenan Allen and Mike 192 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: Williams with the Chargers. I know, a Hunter reinfall really 193 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: isn't that dying dyamic wide receiver. But you've got a 194 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: guy in Darren Waller at that tight end spot that 195 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: can be that dynamic number two. But his season has 196 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: been hampered by injuries. It looks like he's going to 197 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: make his return to the field this weekend. What can 198 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: he have as an impact for this offense and Darren Waller, Yeah, 199 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: I think that's just the huge question. I mean, I 200 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: still believe in Darren Waller. A lot of think he's 201 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure anyone that's watched him and could 202 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: say what he's done on the field is a pretty 203 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: amazing and just obviously creates a nightmare matchup problem. But 204 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: the problem is he just hasn't been on the field 205 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: much dating back to last year. I think he hurt 206 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: one of his hamstrings midway through last year, missed several 207 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: games down the stretch, and I believe it's a different 208 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: hamstring uh this year that's hurting him. He's missed three 209 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: straight games and only played a series in the Chiefs 210 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: game before that. So, you know, I still think even 211 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: from McDaniels and the staff, they want to see what 212 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: this offense looks like fully engaged. You know, there's been 213 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: some national reporting that the Packers offered a second round 214 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: pick for for Darren Waller at the trade deadline, and 215 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: where this team is right now, I kind of can't 216 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: believe they didn't take that. That's like a good price 217 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: for a guy that hasn't played. But I think that 218 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: just goes back to um, you know, them wanting to 219 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: see this offense locked in in in full. And it 220 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: sure seems like Waller is going to be playing soon. 221 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: He's worked out pretty hard before the games the last 222 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: two weeks to where it looked like he might even play, 223 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: but then I guess the hamstring just didn't respond how 224 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: they wanted and he was called off. So he's getting 225 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: closer and closer. I would probably expect him to play 226 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: against the Colts, but I would have said that last 227 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: week as well, and probably the week before too. The 228 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: lot waved off, so the hamstrings can be tricky. You 229 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: have to see how that plays out. Now case, I 230 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: want to move to the defense Max. Max Crosby is 231 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: coming off a Pro Bowl season with eight sacks in 232 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. This year, after eight games, he has 233 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: six sacks. How important has Max been to this Raiders defense? 234 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: I know I said the same thing about Josh Jacob, 235 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: even more amplified here. I mean, he has really been everything. 236 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: I think that's been a huge problem with the Raiders 237 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: is they don't really have many guys that are are 238 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,319 Speaker 1: doing much defensively. To Ron Harmon had a big interception 239 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: to seal the Colts game and has been a good 240 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: fine for them. But you know, really he and Crosby 241 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: have been the only big time playmakers. Crosby has been 242 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: a little quieter in the last few weeks just as 243 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: far as sacks, but I think that's a result of 244 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: these teams are just placing so much emphasis on him. 245 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: He's getting doubled basically every snap. They're really trying to 246 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: make sure he's not disrupting passing games. But to me, 247 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: even in these losses, he's finding ways to make a difference. 248 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 1: I think he still leads the league in tackles for loss. 249 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus hasn't rated as the best run defender 250 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: among defensive ends in the league, So, you know, I 251 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: really think he's been great. I think he's probably having 252 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: an even better season than he did last year despite 253 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, maybe the sacks just being on pace. But 254 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: he's just stuck on a defense that's really underperforming, So 255 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: I think maybe it's getting overshadowed a little bit. Now 256 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: let's go to the other side there. Now. As well 257 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,480 Speaker 1: as Max Crosby's playing on one side of the defensive line, 258 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: Chillen Jones is struggling on the other side. He only 259 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: has a half a sack this season. What has been 260 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 1: the cause for his disappointing play this season. Yeah, it's 261 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: really hard to pinpoint. You wonder if he's just fallen 262 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: off a little bit. Obviously he's had a great career. 263 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: I think even with the start to the season, he's 264 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: still a third I believe among active players in the 265 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: NFL with courier sacks. He's at you know, one ten 266 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: or one eleven, something like that. But he just doesn't 267 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: seem like he has the same explosion that he had 268 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: and all those years with the Cardinals and even dating 269 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: back to his years with the Patriots. You know, he's 270 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: a guy that that's liked in the locker room and 271 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: I think a leader of sorts. But just on the field, 272 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: the production hasn't been there. And you know, the coaching 273 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: staffs tried to make a lot of excuses for him, 274 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: but the bottom line is, I don't feel like you 275 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: signed this guy to this huge contract. I believe I 276 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,719 Speaker 1: gave him three years fifty one million dollars for him 277 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: to be a you know, just kind of a complimentary player. 278 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: I think that's been a huge issue that Stefens was 279 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: supposed to be built around having two great pass rushers 280 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: and Max Crosby and Chandler Jones. And you know, it 281 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: might be harsh to say, and only only one of 282 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 1: those has shown up this year. Chandler Jones has just 283 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: not been right. We'll have to see, Uh, maybe he 284 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: can turn around in the second half of the season. 285 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: Now I find a couple of things. He's Keefer, who 286 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: covers the Raiders for the Las Vegas Sun. Now one 287 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: of the guys that we see a return on we 288 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: got Yannike and Gakway in a trade, who was kind 289 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: of the duo there with Max Crosby last year, and 290 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: in return, rock You Scene went from the Colts to 291 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: the Raiders. What have you seen out of rock You 292 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: Scene in this secondary for the Raiders? I think rock 293 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: You Scene has been pretty solid. You know, he hasn't 294 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: really made any huge splash plays, but he also hasn't 295 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: been a guy that's really been picked on. It doesn't 296 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: seem like he's given up a lot of completions. Especially 297 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: this last game of the Raiders loss of the Jaguars, 298 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: it just seemed like there was a lot of confusion, 299 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: guys not knowing where they're supposed to be, and that's 300 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: kind of a product that I feel like a Patrick 301 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: Graham's defense, which is a little more complex. I feel 302 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: like now they're kind of beating this drum if we 303 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: need to see who the guys we are that we 304 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: can move forward with. They're kind of evaluating for the future. 305 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: You saw a starter Jonathan Abraham released this week. There's 306 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind that Rocky Scene is one 307 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: of those guys that they're gonna want to move forward with, 308 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: you know, hasn't played at a superstar level or anything, 309 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: but but seems like a smart guy that you know physically, 310 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: he's had some some big tackles. I think some big 311 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,839 Speaker 1: hits for a cornerback. H I think that the Raiders 312 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: sounds like to see that see certain makeuy. I think 313 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: that will be around for a while. Um. You know, 314 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: I know there's some guys on the Raiders locker room 315 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: that really miss in gallopway, but but I think they 316 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: got at least a useful player back here in the 317 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: Rocky scene. You mentioned, you know, Jonathan Aber being released, 318 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: and it seems like that's that's already the third first 319 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 1: round pick they had from twenty nineteen that has he'd 320 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: been released or we talked about Jacobs and then Cleveland 321 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: Farrel also his option was declined. What is this talking 322 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: about this Mike Mayock, John Gruden evaluation from a last 323 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: handful of years to now, what is this setting up 324 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: this Raiders team for the future. Yeah, No, it's it's 325 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: four of four of their last six first round picks 326 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: are now gone and the other two were Jacobs and Farrel, who, 327 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: like you said, no fifth year options exercise. So it 328 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: seems like kind of a long shot. Um, they'll be 329 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: back next year. I mean, it's just it's hard for 330 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: any franchise to overcome that that made misses on first 331 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: round picks. Um, you know, some of them were just underperforming, 332 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: but you know, there are some extenuating circumstances and others, 333 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: you know, guys getting in trouble, tragedies that happen here. 334 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: For It's really run the gamut of why things didn't 335 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: work out. But the bottom line is that they haven't 336 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: worked out, and that's gonna be really difficult to come 337 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: back from moving forward. I do know the Raiders as 338 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: far as draft capital, look to be in a really 339 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: good position starting next year. I think they have like 340 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: nine draft picks right now, and several of them not 341 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: all backloaded into the seventh round. And you know, if 342 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: there's one bright spot about the Raiders this year, their 343 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: draft class has looked up very good. Of course, they 344 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: didn't have a first or second round pick after the 345 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: de Vante Adams trade, but it seems like they might 346 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: have found the first round talent in a guard Dylan 347 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: Farm who started every game and probably been their best 348 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: offensive linement as we were as that is to say, 349 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: and then further down. I mean, all these guys are 350 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: contributing that they drafted this year, so they're gonna have 351 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: to make up some ground. And it's a very small 352 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: sample size, only one year. But so far it seems 353 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: like Dave Ziggler maybe a confident draft and this guy 354 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: that made a name for himself with the Patriots for 355 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: doing just that, so he's behind it a little bit. 356 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: He's gonna have to make up for some some mistakes 357 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: of the past up of the past regime. But we'll 358 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: see if he can do that here in the off season. Well, 359 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: that's why they paid them the big bucks, you know. Well, 360 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: final thing with you two teams in desperate need of 361 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: a victory, what are your expectations for Sunday? Uh? Yeah, 362 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: just that I think you should see a free spirited effort. 363 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: I know that the Raiders aren't exactly sure what to 364 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: expect out of the Cults. Josh McDaniels kind of threw 365 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: his hands up when we asked him, you know, what 366 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: what do you do for for tenden season? Kind of 367 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: scouting an offense when it's someone that's never called plays 368 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: and you know, he said he said he didn't know. 369 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: So I think the Colts, uh, you know, certainly could 370 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: do some things to catch the Raiders, you know, by surprise, 371 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: so that'll be something to watch. And then from the 372 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: Raiders perspective, I mean, it's just about putting it together 373 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: for a whole game. I feel like all season this year, 374 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: including last week when they went up seventeen to zero 375 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: their third seventeen zero blowed lead, or a year that 376 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: they've been able to put it together for stretches, but 377 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: then it just falls apart, either you know, in the 378 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: second half or they start slow. So we'll have to 379 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: see if they can they can put it all together. 380 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, certainly I think everyone around the Raiders is 381 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: feeling the pressure and they'll they'll try to put their 382 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: best foot forward and see if they can counter kind 383 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: of I guess with the maybe a little bit new 384 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 1: look Colts can offer here on Sunday, Well there you go. 385 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: Case keyfer covers the Raiders for the Las Vegas on case, 386 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: thank you so much for the time, and enjoy the game, 387 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: all right, Thanks a lot. The culture in Las Vegas 388 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: to take on the Raiders on Sunday next week, the 389 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: culture of return home as they take on currently undefeated 390 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles that'll be at Lucas Oil Stadium. And 391 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: to catch us up on all things Eagles, we're gonna 392 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: talk with bow Wolf, who covers the Eagles for the Athletic. 393 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: But this Sunday, Jeff Saturday makes his head coaching debut 394 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas as the Colts take on the Raiders 395 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: for Bill Brooks. I'm Casey Valley. Enjoy the game and 396 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: go Colts.