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Speaker 1: sports the pinnacle in many ways. Even though he came

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Speaker 1: for this contest against Tyson Fury, it is the one

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Speaker 1: and only Dewey Cooper. Hi, Dewey, how are you? What

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Speaker 2: Hey? How are you? Guys? First of all, before I

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Speaker 2: answer that question, I just want to say, man, I've

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Speaker 2: been a big fan of your show for many years,

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Speaker 2: and I'm really honored to be on the show. Finally,

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Speaker 2: I guess better last than never, but I truly appreciate

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Speaker 2: being on your show. On the temperament of the team,

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Speaker 2: we feel accomplished, but with a slightly bittersweet taste of

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Speaker 2: on Saturday night and rean Saudi Arabia to come up

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Speaker 2: short on the judge's score. Cards, and so it was

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Speaker 2: a bittersweet, but deep down our horns, we know the story.

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Speaker 2: Boxing is a business, the Skuys has a sport, and

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Speaker 2: it was prevalent with the decision on Saturday night.

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Speaker 1: All right, but let's talk about the good stuff first

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Speaker 1: and then we'll get to some of the scoring. But

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Speaker 1: first things first. You know, I don't know what the

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Speaker 1: like Bud Crawford and Devin Haney and Eddie Hearn and

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Speaker 1: and they didn't have any belief in Francis. Be serious

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Speaker 1: for just a moment, Dewey, how did you know that

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Speaker 1: Francis could compete? I mean, yes, you knew him, I suppose,

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Speaker 2: Yes? Well, first of all, I'm disappointed two people, and

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Speaker 2: And also Michael John White a friend of mine. He's

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Speaker 2: He knows what this BKSS system is all about. So

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Speaker 2: I'm disappointing those two because they know how hard we trying,

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Speaker 2: how are we grind, how hard are we trained, how

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Speaker 2: Everybody else, of course, they would think that. First of all,

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Speaker 2: everything I'm saying, if you watch any of the interviews

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Speaker 2: up to the fight, every interview I was like, we're

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Speaker 2: taking victory. Francis can beat him. We're going to be

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Speaker 2: the first of all, he worked extremely hard. He put

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Speaker 1: Who came up with the game plan? Is it a

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, we all came together at a meeting at

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Speaker 2: Then the final four weeks we had a game plan

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Speaker 2: We knew what was gonna happen. We knew that Francis

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Speaker 1: Right, But give me some of the things that uh,

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Speaker 2: Well, anyone to tell you this, Tyson Fury is like,

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Speaker 2: So the main thing to defeat Tyson Ferior was another

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Speaker 1: He won on the inside. I mean just a matter

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Speaker 2: Right, Absolutely, that's the problem. These MMA guys who will

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Speaker 1: One of the things that Tyson noted, which you do

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Speaker 2: Because Tyson has his hands on a position when he boxes.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't believe how many interviews I did personally where

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Speaker 2: So it was ridiculous to think we would have Francison

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Speaker 2: Ten minutes does us no good. So people just disrespected

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Speaker 2: Think about the things he's done. He fought twenty five

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. He had one fight where he gassed out.

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Speaker 1: In the stand switch that goes back to making Tyson uncomfortable. Right,

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Speaker 2: Yes, and frances does that all the time in his

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Speaker 2: And people really underestimate the character of the fighter. You know.

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Speaker 2: all this anger, in all this disappointment, all these doubters

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Speaker 2: And by the way, last thing everyone's talking about Old

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Speaker 2: Tyson had a bad night. He hasn't fought in almost

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Speaker 1: Do you think Francis would look better with a second

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Speaker 1: say not Francis. Sometimes, well, Francis would look better. Look

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Speaker 2: Is absolutely And you know, why should it happen? You know,

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Speaker 2: I really think it needs to happen. Of course, that's

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Speaker 2: course a rematch would be fantastic, because of course Tyson

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Speaker 2: He's a true champion, and I'm sure Saturday Night was

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Speaker 2: that bittersweet pill of defeat. Francis will be much better.

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Speaker 2: And uh, I know, I know he can. He can

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Speaker 1: What I'm gonna ask you is a guest because we

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Speaker 2: Well, we don't know. Deonte is a different body top

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Speaker 2: type for heavyweight. He would be like a tummy hearns

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Speaker 2: know not. I think Francis had a little more control

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Speaker 2: perfect world. It's been recorded, Tyson first to go hit

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Speaker 2: the I'm sorry, Deontay Wallace, you go hit the power.

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Speaker 2: Cubes we can see. But right now, since we have

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Speaker 2: to go by records, Francis is the harder puncher. I

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Speaker 2: would say he's the harder puncher because he's heavier. If

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, guys, or or people understand

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Speaker 2: About the vision round fight, I don't think anyway, Kid,

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Speaker 2: Roy Jones, Holy Phiel, even Mike Tyson himself, I'll lee

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Speaker 2: after winning. Opig Goold Metal didn't even do something like this, guys,

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Speaker 2: this has never been done. You know, Connor did it,

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Speaker 2: I want to get a real quick point. Connor was

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Speaker 2: how many advantages did did Tyson Ferry have over us?

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Speaker 2: On paper? That's why everyone thought it was gonna be

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Speaker 2: that determination and that grit, and that's what Francis showed.

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Speaker 2: He showed it all through training camp and it came

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Speaker 1: You know, It's something that kind of occurred to me

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Speaker 2: Absolutely? Absolutely, because he's athletic and he doesn't have an

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Speaker 2: he works out very hard and he's willing to listen. Man.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's really cool in the gym to work

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Speaker 2: When we say okay, Francis, that's enough, he said, oh,

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Speaker 2: And that's a great attribute. Sometimes that it's not because

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Speaker 1: Now. I want to come back to Francis, but I

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Speaker 2: Well, to be honest, I would love to say it's

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Speaker 1: He's a cyborg sent back in time to warn us

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Speaker 2: to hear him know, and he says yes in his

429
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 2: mind and he just pushes through and then he'll he

430
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: got people who actually love him, who's willing to help

431
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 2: him and do whatever they have to do to help him.

432
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 2: And man, our team is really solid, man, So I

433
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 2: think that's what it is. Though it's Francis. I would

434
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 2: love to say it's anything else. It's just Francis man.

435
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 2: He's different, He's built different.

436
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: I I love Volkanowski, I love Holloway. They're just too

437
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,000
Speaker 1: of the greatest fights I've ever seen. But they're not

438
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: beating Bud Crawford, right, Like, that's just not that's not

439
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: the cards.

440
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 2: By the way, but nor Hopkins, I love you. I

441
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 2: was an executioner for but Noora Hopkins back in the days.

442
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 2: I was one of the guys who had the mask

443
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 2: on with the acts for his championship fight against h

444
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,880
Speaker 2: One Echos too. Be Hop. You know how we do.

445
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 2: One of the things you said on Joe Rogan was

446
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 2: out a line man. Every fighter has a chance, be

447
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 2: hop I'm disappointed in what you said. Be Hop. I

448
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 2: hope he is it.

449
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: Uh you know what you mentioned getting some fuel because god,

450
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, listen, we definitely your cards on the table.

451
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: We didn't think he was gonna win on Saturday. But

452
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: we've been very supportive of Francis carving his own destiny,

453
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 1: carving his own path, and and you know, obviously it's

454
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: great to see that, but you're right there were so

455
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: many people in the community who turned on him, these

456
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: other promoters coming out of the woodwork, saying he was

457
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: pricing himself out all this nonsense. Did that ever negatively

458
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:21,840
Speaker 1: impact him in training?

459
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 2: No? No, you know it negatively negatively impacted us. You know,

460
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: we were feeling so with some kind of way about

461
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: the the discriminatory things that were that people were saying

462
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 2: about Francis. But he didn't. He was just like, it's okay,

463
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: my whole life I've been like this. I'm gonna show him.

464
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna prove them wrong. And when he really got

465
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 2: an attu, he would say, I'm gonna prove the motherfucker's wrong.

466
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 2: But that was that was all he had to say.

467
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: Everything else he he he didn't care. He used it

468
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 2: as as fuel, but it wasn't like a negative thing

469
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 2: to him. He's like, I showed him, and he said, guy,

470
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 2: my whole life has been like this. I've been down

471
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: to since I was a little kid. I'm gonna show

472
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 2: them this is why I'm working so hard. And you

473
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 2: know it was inspiring. Because we're American man, we get emotion,

474
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: know about scrutiny and all of that. He just dusted

475
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 2: it off Man. He just he just dusted it off

476
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: and kept focusing on what he wanted to focus on,

477
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 2: because he told me one thing one day he said,

478
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: for all is today I'm good. We're going back to

479
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 2: Africa and forming my land and living a good life.

480
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 2: No matter what, I'm good, And so everything else is

481
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 2: a bonus to him. Everything else is like, you know,

482
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: now he's not carrying the cross. There's no pressure because

483
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 2: he knows what he's gonna do and he simply doesn't.

484
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: One thing that's getting lost in all of this conversation is,

485
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: you know, not for INSTIs was not just gone for

486
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: two years. He had pretty you know, big knee surgery

487
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: in the middle. You know, obviously this wasn't an mmabout

488
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: where he's level changing and stuff like that. But your

489
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: need needs to be under to compete against Tyson's fury.

490
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: So it looks like the knee rehab went well. What

491
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: is your of the recovery he had incredible?

492
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: It is one hundred percent it went well. We definitely

493
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: tested his knee doing jumps and one legged squads and

494
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: lateral movement drills and sprinting up hills and uh trip

495
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: trip hell. The conditioning coach definitely put him through rigorous

496
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: training to make sure the knee would would hold up

497
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: and was strong, and we did a lot of things

498
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 2: with Francis man Athletically, he's on point. If Francis weren't

499
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 2: an American, there would be no Francis the gun who fighter.

500
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 2: He'd be in the NFL right now, right now, making

501
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 2: multi millions. Man, he's a football player if he was American,

502
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 2: for sure.

503
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can feel that. Okay, the elbow you mentioned

504
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: that that Tyson Fury through. Now, I went back and

505
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 1: I watched that on tape, and in that particular sequence,

506
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: it's not like you know, it's not like Francis was

507
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: doing the pekaboo style side to side. His head was

508
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: coming pretty straight at least in that moment, and then

509
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: the elbow kind of comes over the corner like that

510
00:25:58,400 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: seem pretty intentional to me.

511
00:25:59,680 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: I don't.

512
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: I can't prove it, but it seemed intentional to me.

513
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:03,479
Speaker 1: Did it seem intentional to you?

514
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? One hundred percent? And that's just that

515
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: shows the frustration, Uh, you know, when when when things

516
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: aren't going as easy or as as cool as you thought,

517
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 2: these type of things happened. It was a mark of frustration.

518
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: I'm disappointed the referee didn't even say anything or or

519
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 2: penalize him for it, because that that really made a difference,

520
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: would have made a difference in the fight. I still

521
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: have France's winning rounds two three, four, uh uh uh

522
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 2: eight seven eight no No.

523
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: No.

524
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: Two three four, eight ten seven was close with the elbow.

525
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: You penalize them for the elbow. We win that round two,

526
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 2: but I had to win five to six rounds and

527
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: with the knock down we got it. So it should

528
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: have been ninety six ninety four or ninety five ninety

529
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 2: four for US. Uh.

530
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: You think Francis fights MMA, and.

531
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: He said it's gonna do both, So we'll wait and see.

532
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: Let me let me, let me ask this coach. Let

533
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: me ask this if I may.

534
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: So.

535
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: You're just a coach, right that you're not on the

536
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: business side of it. They come to you, they say

537
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: a name, and you got a job to do. However, However,

538
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: if they did come to you and they say, hey,

539
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: who do you think Francis matches up well with the

540
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: most in heavyweight boxing, the answer is.

541
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: Any of them, because we're a divide the player to

542
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: be ready. But I definitely love Anthony Joshua fight. I

543
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: definitely love that fight. You know, Deja Well, that's a

544
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: good fight also. But honestly, real champions see no faces.

545
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: They're willing to fight whome ever because they believe in themselves,

546
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 2: they believe in their abilities, and they know they can

547
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: make the adjustment to defeat anyone. That's what this Tyson

548
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: Ferry fight was about. To show the world that Presidon

549
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,239
Speaker 2: Gonna can make the adjustment to defeat anyone. And uh,

550
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: we felt like we accomplished that task. Unfortunately, two people

551
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 2: felt like we did, and those were those two judges.

552
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you about you if I may,

553
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: and as it relates to Francis, which is you've been

554
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: working with him since he came to the United States.

555
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: What's the story there? How did you get hooked up.

556
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 2: With Francis Crazy? Forest Griffin called me before he came

557
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: from France and he said, hey, hey, do we I

558
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: got this this heavyweight coming who needs a striking coach.

559
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: He's boxer heavy, he likes to box, So I thought,

560
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 2: of you, would you be interested? And he told me

561
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: his name. You know, I didn't know him at the time.

562
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: I said absolutely, man, Thanks Forest, Thanks for the plug.

563
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 2: Did Stephen Bunner, you know Forest Forest Griffin's immortal friend

564
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,479
Speaker 2: fast adversary, called me and said, Hey, I got this

565
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: guy frest and Gunn who coming uh to Vegas Man.

566
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: I told him, you, you know, he should train with you.

567
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking Bores Griffin and rest In Pee Stephen

568
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: Butter both were were feeling like I was the guy

569
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 2: that trained Franceston Gunnu. So he came came to the US.

570
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: He met me at the TMT Boxing Club for the

571
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: first time, and we've been rocking out every since. I

572
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: must admit it was definitely an odd meeting because back

573
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: then his English wasn't anywhere as good as it is now,

574
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: so he had a French slash African accent. I couldn't

575
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: understand a word he was saying, so it was very uncomfortable.

576
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 2: But we made it through and we started training at

577
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: the UFCPI and we trained ever since.

578
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: What was your first holy shit and moment with him

579
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: when you realized, okay, this one might be a little

580
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: bit different.

581
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first day we trained, Yeah, he was so

582
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 2: goddamn strong, just just hitting the pads, doing things not

583
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: convintionally right, hitting the pads, with any part of his hand.

584
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: It was still hard and crazy power. I realized right there,

585
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: like this dude is different. By the way his knees

586
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: are harder than his punches. I mean, his knees are

587
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: CRUs his kicks were strongs. We kicked and kneed and butch.

588
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: I was like, this is a big, strong dude, and uh,

589
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: I just knew he was gonna knock out everyone he fought.

590
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: He just needed to get used to more of a system,

591
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: not just you know, doing whatever, more more of a technical,

592
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: precision type style. And uh, we knew he was gonna

593
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: be awesome. Man. Before Roberts Falls passed away, I was

594
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: talking to France about going to Contours and down a

595
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 2: great wrestling program because at the time we're only training

596
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: at the UFC PR. Then he decided to train a

597
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 2: syndicate for his ground and all of that stuff, and

598
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: uh that was the beginning. But he eventually got to

599
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: extreme Contours and the rest of history. But yeah, I

600
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: knew Frans was gonna be something special because he was

601
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: a big, strong, athletic guy. People this this this associate.

602
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: How technical he is. He could do jump, spin kicks

603
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: and and really really agile stuff too. That people don't

604
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: don't realize he can do. So He's not some big group.

605
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: He's light, light at foot when he wants to be.

606
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: And so I knew he's gonna be awesome at UFC.

607
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: I knew he's gonna be a usc evyweight champ. I

608
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 2: said two years before he won the title, before the

609
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: first steep A fight, after the steep A fight, the

610
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 2: first one, I said, he'll be Champ soon enough. And

611
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 2: it happened.

612
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it certainly did. And then for this particular camp,

613
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: you know what kind of stands out to me. I mean,

614
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: this has been true before, but you know, you just

615
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 1: get reminded of it in an interesting moment like this.

616
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: You know, Francis is obviously a bit of a unicorn.

617
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: He's a special guy. Okay, fair enough, but you, you

618
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: and the other people on that team, you know, there's

619
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: a lot that goes into making Francis successful, and foremost

620
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: is Francis. But then after that you do have to

621
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: recognize the team. I wonder if you can give me

622
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: a sense about why it works, because if there's any

623
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: dysfunction in the team, it will lower the performance of

624
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: the of the athlete. Like everyone has to do their role,

625
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 1: and everything has to kind of interconnect. Tell me why

626
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: the team works as well as it does.

627
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 2: Well because there's no at to brute, there's no deceit,

628
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: there's no disloyalty, there's no dishonesty. We all know our roles,

629
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 2: we accept those roles, and we do the best we

630
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 2: can at that and we're willing to talk to each

631
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: other and compromise and really itemize the training for Francis's benefit.

632
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: A lot of times, you know, the in in May

633
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: world goes the wrestling coach wants you to do this,

634
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: the striking coach wants you to do this, and the

635
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: coach got you doing too much where you can't do

636
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: the wrestling or the striking. There's no there's no parody,

637
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: there's no unity. So you're pulling a fighter in several

638
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: different ways. We have cohesiveness, we have a community, we

639
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: have a family. Eric Nixon and I've been friends for

640
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: many years. Way before this, we worked at Ray Sheffool's

641
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: Corner back in the wfal Weaverhell it was called when

642
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: Ray Sheffood was a president and fort on his own

643
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Speaker 2: show in California. So Eric and I go way back.

644
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: We've been friends. Forever, and all the guys Mark Kella

645
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: and I I've been friends forever. All the guys in

646
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: the team are a close knit group, whether Francis was

647
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: involved or not. So we have a trust, a lawsy

648
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: and understand each other. And so that makes it easy

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Speaker 2: to help the fighter because if I if I need

650
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Speaker 2: helping something, or if I did something wrong to god, play,

651
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Speaker 2: hey what about this and same thing, we could talk

652
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Speaker 2: to each other and really the divides a plan that's

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Speaker 2: beneficial for the fighter. And that's the most important thing.

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Speaker 2: As you know, in the sport of boxing, it's normally

655
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Speaker 2: one coach and then in May it's two to three coaches.

656
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: People forget about how those personalities have to mix well,

657
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: otherwise the fighter will be the one who who gets

658
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Speaker 2: it wrongly influenced sour And as far as our team,

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Speaker 2: we're sharp, We got love for one another, we respect

660
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Speaker 2: one another, that our main goal is for France's improvement

661
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Speaker 2: every time we train. Every week we trained, and by

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Speaker 2: the way, Francis hit so many milestones in this camp,

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Speaker 2: you know, spawning ten rounds for the first time in boxing,

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Speaker 2: and three four different sporing partners and stuff like this. Man,

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Speaker 2: it was awesome to see. Guys. We have so many

666
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Speaker 2: great memories from this training camp. I will honestly never forget.

667
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Speaker 2: Remember my fighter Jesse Vugus four many pack y'all, we

668
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Speaker 2: were the champions. I had a pacq y'all fight. I

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Speaker 2: know the hotts level of this sport. My final for

670
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 2: but Noor Hopkins Baboo shooting off on showtime on you

671
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 2: know the pack yard. I was on HBO. I know

672
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Speaker 2: the hottest level of the sport. But there was nothing,

673
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Speaker 2: especially with this camp, and that was nothing that even

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Speaker 2: comes close, not even the Pacqua y'all fight to what

675
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Speaker 2: happened in READD Saudi Arabia last Saturday night. It was magnificent,

676
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Speaker 2: spectacular it was. It was unexplainable how great this show was.

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Speaker 2: And uh, it was something I'll never forget as long

678
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Speaker 2: as I live. This is my fight memory, including my fights.

679
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Speaker 2: I have Muhammad al Lee come watch me fight, and

680
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Speaker 2: this fight surpasses that because it was just so spectacular. Man,

681
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Speaker 2: it was crazy.

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget it, unlike anything. I mean, I've been

683
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Speaker 1: watching combat sports a long time. We were talking about it,

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Speaker 1: you know, on the Monday after It's like, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what to compare this to you know, it sort

686
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Speaker 1: of stands out by itself, right, it's sort of singularly

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Speaker 1: this completely to us out of nowhere achievement, and it

688
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Speaker 1: proved a lot. I'll tell you what it did. Prove

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Speaker 1: finally got you on the in on our show here.

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Speaker 1: Good do I have to say? I am so sorry

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Speaker 1: it took this long for us to get you up here,

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Speaker 1: but I am so appreciative that you made some time.

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Speaker 1: And I can't say it enough. Congratulations to you. You

694
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Speaker 1: had a great career as a fighter, and I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you're getting your flowers as a coach as well. Job

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Speaker 1: well done, man, job well done.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you. And man, it wouldn't be possible

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Speaker 2: without having Francis and gun who so oh big thanks

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Speaker 2: to Francis Man. We went through some bad times that

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Speaker 2: that first Steve lost. People criticized me for putting dry

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Speaker 2: towels on Francis and Gunale. I'll never forget that. I

702
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: received depth threats and all kind of criticism them online. Guys.

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Speaker 2: They were wet towels, they were soaked the cold ass water.

704
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Speaker 2: We're not stupid. We never put hot towels on a fire.

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Speaker 2: There were cold towels. But to go from debt to den,

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Speaker 2: defeating Steve a later, getting that that you know, championship,

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Speaker 2: and to do what we did like you know, Saturday,

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Speaker 2: four or five days ago, It's just full circle. Man.

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Speaker 2: Never give up on yourself. Always believe yourself when everyone

710
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Speaker 2: else does it. For instance, approved that to us. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna living testament of it, and I'm thankful. We're gonna

712
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Speaker 2: stay humble, keep working hard, and we will improve. If

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Speaker 2: improven is possible, perfection is not good enough, We're gonna

714
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Speaker 2: keep improving and we're gonna stay humble and keep working hard.

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Speaker 2: I'll assure you that.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see what you guys have cooked

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Speaker 1: up next. Blow my mind again. I'm sure you will.

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Speaker 1: Doe Cooper coach extraordinariy, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Love you gods. Thanks for having me man, I appreciate

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Speaker 2: you