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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stupidity, home of the greatest media mine ever

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Speaker 1: to walk the planet.

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Speaker 2: Okay, sure, here's the deal. He's a true icon in

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Speaker 3: He's loved and feared more than any being.

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Speaker 1: To Grace's plummet, they got a bad with a voice

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Speaker 1: that sounds like very white and be.

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Speaker 4: Got say hey, let you it baby.

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Speaker 1: God himself would pay thirty nine ninety nine for a cameo.

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Speaker 1: Fact of the matter is, you are about to embark

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Speaker 1: on a transcendent experience that can only be described as

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Speaker 1: psychological nudity.

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Speaker 2: This iss and this is stupidity. Here we go, Jimp, Holy.

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Speaker 5: Billy, big buff coming up? You know what's coming up

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Speaker 5: here in Aprilville?

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Speaker 6: What's that?

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Speaker 3: The NFL Draft? A little thing I like to call

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Speaker 3: the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 6: H excited?

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Speaker 3: I am excited.

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Speaker 5: Mikey A has a very special relationship with melkiper Jr.

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Speaker 5: Melkiper Junior is a very special man. We'll get to

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Speaker 5: that in just a second. But Billy, how do you

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Speaker 5: feel about us going up to Kansas City for the draft?

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 6: I don't know. This has been floated about.

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I don't know how I feel about it yet.

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Speaker 5: Good barbecue, good bar What if I threw this into

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Speaker 5: the mix? Mikey is right, rat barbecue. Uh, first round.

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Speaker 5: We just cover the first round Thursday night. But then

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Speaker 5: Friday night, Kelsey is having a concert, okay.

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Speaker 3: And I have four unlimited.

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Speaker 5: Passes for for me, you and two guests to the

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Speaker 5: Kelsey concert Friday night.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what you keep kind of floating out.

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Speaker 7: There is this big Travis Kelson concert and it's Friday

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Speaker 7: night in Kansas City, and I don't really know what

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Speaker 7: you and I are going to be doing at a

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Speaker 7: Machine Gun Kelly concert, you know what I mean? Like,

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Speaker 7: what do I need unlimited access at that event for?

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Speaker 5: Well, because we're really what I want to do is

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Speaker 5: just get Kelsey on the show, get Jason on the show.

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Speaker 3: Mahomes will be there, Like that's really all I'm trying

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Speaker 3: to do.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, we don't know that, and you.

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Speaker 7: I also don't think that necessarily they're gonna want to

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Speaker 7: be able to even hear what they say.

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Speaker 3: Fair.

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Speaker 7: Maybe that's what we do. We take a microphone and

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Speaker 7: we just interview them with the loudest music possible. I

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Speaker 7: actually had this idea as to gods, and I didn't

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Speaker 7: do it. But I had this idea during the World

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Speaker 7: Baseball Classic to go to the loudest game that I

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Speaker 7: could go to. And I was also in a section

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Speaker 7: that had a band, and just do a recorded podcast

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Speaker 7: throughout the whole thing, because you couldn't hear anything, so

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Speaker 7: it would be a podcast that all you would hear

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Speaker 7: of what the people were saying.

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Speaker 3: But I didn't do it.

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Speaker 6: Maybe we do that at the concert.

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Speaker 5: But okay, so again, but you're not answering my question,

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Speaker 5: what do you want to go?

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Speaker 7: I mean, I mean it's a couple of weeks away.

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Speaker 7: I don't know that we're going to be able to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, you're probably we'll.

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Speaker 6: See, all right, Mikey, you want to come with us.

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Speaker 4: I'm not getting my hopes up with this. I've said yes,

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Speaker 4: too many things to be left here in Connecticut.

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Speaker 3: Date it's fair.

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Speaker 5: Don't get their hopes up. We'll figure it out. I

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Speaker 5: don't know if we're going to go now. I mean,

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Speaker 5: Billy made some good points.

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Speaker 6: He really we'll see what happened.

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Speaker 5: I mean maybe, but right I know, Mikey, you're nervous

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Speaker 3: Why are you nervous? Like what's going on with you?

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Speaker 4: I'm not too nervous about the draft. I think I

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Speaker 4: think we'll be down a second round pick.

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Speaker 5: By that we're not coming up the first You agree

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Speaker 5: with with Greeneie earlier this week where we're not giving

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Speaker 3: Huh.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's going to happen. It's going to

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Speaker 5: But if they have to give up the first round pick,

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Speaker 5: they have to give up the first round pick.

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Speaker 3: I mean at this one, you can't not do it.

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Speaker 3: If you have to do it, right.

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Speaker 4: I listen, if you have to do it, you have

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Speaker 4: to do it. But at the same time, I think

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Speaker 4: you don't have to do it, and if you do

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Speaker 4: it, it's because you panicked, because you blinked.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we're notorious form blinking.

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Speaker 2: It's all organized.

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Speaker 4: Joe Douglas doesn't blink.

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Speaker 5: Billy, you are not like you were not president. When

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Speaker 5: we recorded with mel Kiper Jr. I wish you were

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Speaker 5: mel kiper Jr. You and him are kindred spirits.

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Speaker 3: Am I right?

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Speaker 6: Why he's cool?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 4: Mel is an individual unlike any other.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Billy, he doesn't own a cell phone.

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Speaker 7: I've heard that, which, by the way, I am pretty

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Speaker 6: Like that sounds pretty cool to me.

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Speaker 4: Do you have any idea how awkward it is to

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Speaker 4: call his home phone and his wife answers, and I'm like, hi, man,

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Speaker 4: I please blink to Mel, you know, like it's it's

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Speaker 4: like mental cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I have to put on my polite voice. It's

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Speaker 4: really weird.

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Speaker 5: But he's got this photographic memory, Mikey tells me. And

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Speaker 5: I know, and I've smoken to them hell before. Where

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Speaker 5: if you just ask him, like, hey, what was your

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Speaker 5: evaluation of Mike Golic Senior. Let's say, who's going to

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Speaker 5: join us with this interview. He'll be able to tell

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Speaker 5: you exactly what he wrote up for Mike Golic Senior.

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Speaker 5: No computer, no cell phone, no electronics. He just knows

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Speaker 5: what he wrote about Goli coming out of Notre Dame

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Speaker 5: headed into the draft weird bill.

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Speaker 6: Why doesn't he have a cell phone? Does his wife

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Speaker 6: have a cell phone. Does she not have a cell phone?

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Speaker 3: He just would call it?

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Speaker 4: He wife has one?

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Speaker 7: Does he just doesn't want one? What if he just

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Speaker 7: secretly does have one that only his family knows about.

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Speaker 4: He says he has one, but it's in a drawer somewhere.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't even know where it is. And I'm pretty

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Speaker 4: sure it's like a no Kia flip phone.

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Speaker 6: That's pointless. A cell phone, isn't a wow.

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Speaker 5: Darry Mel, Wow, body, let's get to the best of

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Speaker 5: the business to get us ready for the draft that

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Speaker 5: we're now not going to attend.

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Speaker 3: It is melkiper Jr.

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Speaker 8: Hello Mel, Hello, Stu Gott. How you doing with South?

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Speaker 3: I am doing great. How are you?

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Speaker 8: I am good? Great to be with you, man, it's

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Speaker 8: great to.

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Speaker 2: Be with you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for doing this and how busy you are?

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Speaker 8: No problem at all, No problem at all.

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Speaker 3: Mel. Do you have a cell phone?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 8: Kim So I don't have a cell myself.

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Speaker 5: Now wait, you said, Melt it's twenty twenty three. Are

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Speaker 5: you telling me you do not have a cell phone?

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Speaker 5: You do not, Mel Piper Junior does not own a

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Speaker 5: cell phone.

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Speaker 8: I do, but I never I have one that I

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Speaker 8: used to use when I was travels and I'll travel

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Speaker 8: much anymore. Steve Gott, I don't. I don't. I don't

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Speaker 8: have a cell phone. That cell phone is tucked away,

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Speaker 8: coming find it for you right now.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 5: I'm not mocking you. I think you're living life better

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Speaker 5: than the rest of us.

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Speaker 8: To be quite honest with you, mine exactly. I wish

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Speaker 8: everybody was away from their phone exactly. Life would be

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Speaker 8: a better place. Yeah, be a better world if we

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Speaker 8: had no cell phones.

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Speaker 5: And now I say this as I watched I say

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Speaker 5: that to you, as I watched Michaeltt Junior try to

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Speaker 5: figure out for the one million times how to connect

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Speaker 5: with us via zoom.

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Speaker 2: It's not my I'm actually Michael. That call of Gojo.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry I had Gojo on my mind because I

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Speaker 5: was wondering if Belle ever did a write up for

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Speaker 5: Gojo headed into the draft.

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Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking.

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Speaker 8: I did. I did. Actually, yeah, I went for a

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Speaker 8: senior and junior. Actually that's how old I am.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Okay, hold on, let's stop the pressing.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's keep those buried, shall we.

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Speaker 8: Let's keep those.

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Speaker 3: No, but no, we're not going to keep them buried.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna find out right now, what is analysis above

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Speaker 3: you and your son? We're coming back to college. But Michae,

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Speaker 3: are you aware that Mel does not have a cell phone?

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Speaker 3: Did you know that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I know. God, listen the amount of times

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Speaker 2: I have talked to Melon. Know what I know about Mel?

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Speaker 2: From his pumpkin pie to no cell phone? Yeah, Oh,

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Speaker 2: believe me, I knew that.

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Speaker 8: Yes, Okay, then live a very simple life guy, very

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Speaker 8: simple life.

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Speaker 5: No, but I'm Mike. I think he's living life better

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Speaker 5: than the rest of us.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, are you kidding me? I mean how

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Speaker 2: many times? And I'm the least of my family to

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Speaker 2: use a cell phone. I'm kind of happy when I

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Speaker 2: misplace it and don't know where it is going to

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Speaker 2: have to deal with it. So you are living the

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Speaker 2: right life, Mel, There is no no doubt about.

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Speaker 4: Stuke called me and he's like, what else can we

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Speaker 4: talk to Mel about? You know what else do we

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Speaker 4: have that's that's interesting? And I was like, you obviously

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Speaker 4: don't know Mel Kiper He's the most interesting man.

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Speaker 2: He's a He's a.

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Speaker 4: Mystery wrapped in enigma, wrapped in craziness. I love Mel,

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Speaker 4: I love his little thing, his little quirks.

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Speaker 8: That last word craziness, the one we all do that here.

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Speaker 8: Craziness never ends.

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Speaker 2: I mean we could just say, Mel, look to your right,

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Speaker 2: there's a wall, break it down, I mean, and it

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Speaker 2: would be fine. So yeah, there's you. Never you know,

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Speaker 2: you try and have questions before you have a guest.

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Speaker 2: Mel isn't one of those. Mel. We can cold go

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Speaker 2: anywhere where you are now?

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Speaker 3: Where are you right now? Currently?

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Speaker 8: I am sitting at my desk in ken Island, on

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Speaker 8: ken Island in Maryland and on Eastern Shore, and I

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Speaker 8: just finished doing a Todd McShay mock draft show, and

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Speaker 8: I have a radio coming up at three thirty. So

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Speaker 8: just in between stuff and just.

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Speaker 5: Sitting in my desk, Okay, can you look to the

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Speaker 5: wall to your right and break it down?

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Speaker 8: Yes? I can. It's a picture of like Utah and

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Speaker 5: The Orioles, the Orioles, the Ravens and Dorry.

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Speaker 8: No, no, we're in year thirteen. I believe I've been now,

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Speaker 3: Amazing.

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Speaker 5: If I were to ask you to break down Dorry

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Speaker 3: Like as a host? Right, now only the way melk

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Darry is amazing. I always say amazing when amazing

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Speaker 4: I was obviously the producer of Dari and Mel for years,

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Speaker 8: I refused, I flat out refused. You gotta, you gotta.

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Speaker 8: You know, I've always believed you stay in your lane.

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Speaker 8: I know what my strengths are, I know what my

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Speaker 9: Here exactly it's Mike Now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there were there were there were two guests that

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Speaker 8: I appreciate that. I feel like I'm a very great

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Speaker 3: You have.

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Speaker 8: To say no heart spots, pick your spots. The guests

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Speaker 5: I will tell you both a quick story and mikey

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Speaker 8: I don't think I'm going quite that far. I'm not

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Speaker 5: Okay, So mel at the Yeah, I'm going to ask

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Speaker 2: I'm going to find out he can't find those.

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Speaker 8: Tell you, I can tell you. I can kind of

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Speaker 5: Right there, That's more than enough, trust me. How many

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Speaker 6: Tom?

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Speaker 8: Well? We do five every year, so you know times

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Speaker 2: So forgetting the tobd stuff. He did that on Aaron

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Speaker 8: You know what, Mike, that's a great question, because I

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Speaker 8: I always tell everybody at the ESPN, don't send me anything.

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Speaker 8: I don't want to hear the good. I don't want

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Speaker 8: last year every other year, I just got but bash Kuiper,

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Speaker 8: that's why I was doing ever you're Tony. I became

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Speaker 8: I just hated it. He said, Hey, bash Kuiper, and

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Speaker 8: I did it very very well. I said, yeah, you

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Speaker 8: were an all American at hating me of that area.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, that's the But no, I don't really. I

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Speaker 8: really haven't had any of that over the years, And

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Speaker 8: probably some of it that I have had I wasn't

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Speaker 8: even aware of because maybe maybe I got a text

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Speaker 8: and I wasn't aware I got a text as I'll

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Speaker 8: check text.

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Speaker 5: Right, That's that to me, that's just insane and also cathartic.

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Speaker 3: At the same time. Yeah, that's female.

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Speaker 5: Is there a gold standard Melchiper junior mock draft that

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Speaker 5: you have, like one that you hold above all others?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I did one. It was funny. I was like

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Speaker 8: the first mock mock one point oh, which comes out

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Speaker 8: in mid January, like four or five years ago. I

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Speaker 8: had like the first I think I had eight of

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Speaker 8: the first nine, and the last one I did the

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Speaker 8: morning of the draft. I had probably one of the

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Speaker 8: top nine. So sometimes they always tell you you in

462
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Speaker 8: real estate, your best offer is your first offer. Sometimes

463
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Speaker 8: your best mock draft is your first one at one

464
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Speaker 8: point oh. It comes out before you get into all

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Speaker 8: the over analysis and everything. So that was one I

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Speaker 8: think was like four or five years ago. I think

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Speaker 8: I hit eight out of nine or whatever. But no,

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Speaker 8: people always say, what you know mock draft mock drafts,

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Speaker 8: you're lucky if you have five, six, seven, eight direct

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Speaker 8: hits the morning of the draft and maybe twenty five

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Speaker 8: of the thirty two now thirty one first rounders this year.

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Speaker 8: But if you hit twenty four to twenty five to

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Speaker 8: actually go in the first round, you've done a pretty

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Speaker 8: good job. So there's always surprises. The one question I

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Speaker 8: always get, which I always tell people, never ask me

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Speaker 8: this because it's the dumbest question anybody can ask. Is No,

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Speaker 8: who's going to be the shocking first round pick? I said,

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Speaker 8: it's gonna be shocking. How the heck am I going

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Speaker 8: to tell you who's the shocking first round picks? That's

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Speaker 8: why I'm going to be shocked, because I have no

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Speaker 8: clue who that player is going to be. So any

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Speaker 8: other dumb questions, who's going to be the most NFL

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Speaker 8: who's the most NFL ready quarterback? Don't ever ask me

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Speaker 8: that question.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that yeah, so true?

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Speaker 3: Do you a shocker this year? Mel?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? God stop it? Do you? Mel? Do you keep

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Speaker 2: percentages each year of how many you hit? Did do

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Speaker 2: you do that?

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Speaker 3: Over that?

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Speaker 4: Because never?

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Speaker 8: Never, never, And in fact, Mike and Stuve gott tied.

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Speaker 8: All I do is to do. What I do is

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Speaker 8: I will trash everything. When I get back from the draft,

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Speaker 8: it'll go in a'll be gone and I move on

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Speaker 8: to the next year. And in fact, we have a

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Speaker 8: big board for the next year's draft coming out the

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Speaker 8: week after this year's draft, or a month or a

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Speaker 8: month day, I should say a month. Todd McShay has

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Speaker 8: his mock first round a week after the draft. I

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Speaker 8: have my ratings board a month after the draft. So

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Speaker 8: Todd comes out with his way too early mock draft

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Speaker 8: for twenty twenty four and May of twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 8: which is pretty amazing. But now I just move on

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Speaker 8: to the next year. I never kind of I always

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Speaker 8: go back and look at reports and say, okay, why

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Speaker 8: did you hit on this player? Why did you miss

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Speaker 8: on this player and try to figure out but hey,

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Speaker 8: that's not perfect. Then you can't beat yourself up for mistakes.

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Speaker 8: It's gonna happen. We all. You just hope you're right

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Speaker 8: more than you're wrong, but you're gonna have a lot.

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Speaker 8: And that's the thing. It's just like you know, people say, okay,

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Speaker 8: you had to miss on this guy. Well, you know,

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Speaker 8: if you're gonna if you look at one player and

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Speaker 8: you say I missed on him because of this, and

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Speaker 8: you try to take that and you push it to

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Speaker 8: the next guy, well you can make the same but

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Speaker 8: you can have the same evaluation, but the next guy

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Speaker 8: may be really good. So I remember Todd made a

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Speaker 8: point one time or comment one time, Well, I'm not

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Speaker 8: gonna make the same mistake on this quarterback that I

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Speaker 8: made on the other one, So I'm gonna not like

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Speaker 8: it turned out to be the guy ended up being

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Speaker 8: pretty good. So sometimes you just don't know. And I've

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Speaker 8: done the exact same thing, so I've kind of learned

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Speaker 8: to move on and not look back too much.

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Speaker 4: Now, who was the draft pick that you were the

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Speaker 4: most shocked when you heard it?

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Speaker 2: What was the print where you.

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Speaker 4: Were like, what just happened? How did that even?

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Speaker 2: How did that happen?

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Speaker 8: I'd say probably when the Raiders took Darius Hayward Bay

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Speaker 8: out of the University of Maryland, which is my like

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Speaker 8: mcshae says, you know, you ought to put a fence

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Speaker 8: around Maryland. You always started talking up to Maryland. I

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Speaker 8: did not think Darius Hayward Bay would go that high.

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Speaker 8: You went the top ten to the Raiders, and it

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Speaker 8: was a shock to me. I mean, I've been surprised

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Speaker 8: by a lot of draft picks. That was one of

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Speaker 8: the ones that really did. I'll tell you what was

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Speaker 8: a shocker to me. I remember a night before the draft,

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Speaker 8: it was like five years ago, whatever it was, when

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Speaker 8: Baker Mayfield went number one. I thought for sure Josh

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Speaker 8: Allen was the guy that was the guy I thought

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Speaker 8: it's got to be. When I found out it might

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Speaker 8: not be Sam Darnold, that what's got to be Josh Allen.

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Speaker 8: The night before the draft, I'd do my final mockout,

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Speaker 8: Josh Allen going to the Cleveland Browns and thin, this

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Speaker 8: is guaranteed. Then you start hearing from Adam Schefter and

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Speaker 8: Chris Morten said. I come down for breakfast the next morning,

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Speaker 8: right before the draft, and I'm hearing your mock draft

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Speaker 8: is wrong, you guys island Al It's not going on.

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Speaker 8: It's gonna be Baker Mayson. I think, oh, you gotta

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Speaker 8: be kidding me. I would have never thought that. So

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Speaker 8: I think the most shocking number one pick overall to

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Speaker 8: me was Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 5: I would send that to the Browns and be like, Listen,

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Speaker 5: I told you should have taken Allen.

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Speaker 3: I would gloat. I would throw it in their face.

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Speaker 5: Mel.

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Speaker 2: I tell you what one that stuck out to me,

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Speaker 2: mel was was JaMarcus Russell. He had It was almost

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Speaker 2: like the last thing you saw from him. Help because

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Speaker 2: he had that monster game against Notre Dame in the

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Speaker 2: bowl game, and that was the last game I believe

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Speaker 2: before the draft and he went number one, and I

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Speaker 2: remember going, man, I just don't don't see that, you know,

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Speaker 2: out of him. And it turned out he was a bust.

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Speaker 2: But that was probably one for me where I thought

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Speaker 2: he really kind of lived off that one game.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's why I always say Mike and I think

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Speaker 8: that's why pro days, I always say are a waste

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Speaker 8: of time because he had one of the best Pro

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Speaker 8: days ever. And I always say, you know who had one,

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Speaker 8: and also Zach Wilson if you remember, had a great

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Speaker 8: PRODA a few years ago. But who had the worst

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Speaker 8: Pro Day? One of the worst Pro days ever was

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Speaker 8: Peyton Manning. I had NFL people calling me up there,

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Speaker 8: so they were rolling their eyes and they were like,

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Speaker 8: you know, just saying, boy, I can't get the balls

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Speaker 8: were bow wobbly, they were bouncing, they were low, they

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Speaker 8: were all the arms trends. Wasn't there with the balls?

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Speaker 8: They say, was lobbly ball. They were rolling their eyes,

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Speaker 8: shaking their head, saying, boy, he's overrated. So there you go.

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Speaker 8: So Peyton Manning had one of the worst Pro days

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Speaker 8: and DeMarcus Russell and Zach Wilson had the best Pro days.

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Speaker 8: That's why I always say the pro Dad should mean

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Speaker 8: nothing the NFL teams.

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Speaker 5: The great mel kiper Junior with us at his latest

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Speaker 5: mock is out now checking out at ESPN dot com.

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Speaker 5: Mel I think it's always important to so the audience

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Speaker 5: knows just how you go about this. You're not ranking

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Speaker 5: these players in terms of who you think are the

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Speaker 5: best players. You're ranking these players and where they're going

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Speaker 5: to go in terms of what you think the team

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Speaker 5: needs and what they're gonna do.

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Speaker 8: Correct for mock drafts or yes, mock drafts are strictly

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Speaker 8: what you're hearing from people, your friends in the league

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Speaker 8: about what they will do based on free agency now,

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Speaker 8: based on team needs and all that. And the ratings,

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Speaker 8: the rankings, ratings that you put up in the top

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Speaker 8: tens and the top twenty five Big Board that strictly

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Speaker 8: my opinion, Todd's opinion, and everybody that puts those rankings out.

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Speaker 8: They have nothing to do with where players are going

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Speaker 8: to go in the draft. And that's the hardest part, guys,

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Speaker 8: because when you know somebody is going to go high

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Speaker 8: and you put him, well, I'll never forget. I'll give

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Speaker 8: you a Jeff George story. Freddie Godelli's producing the draft

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Speaker 8: for a good friend of mine, great Freddy Goadelli's producing

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Speaker 8: the draft, and I'll number what year it was was

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Speaker 8: lear Jeff George came out and I had Jeff George

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Speaker 8: rated as like the eighty third best player in that draft.

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Speaker 8: And so Freddy said, he said, give me your top forty.

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Speaker 8: We're gonna put the top forty up. I didn't have

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Speaker 8: him in my I said, now, I can't put the

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Speaker 8: top forty board up and not have the number one

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Speaker 8: player on it. I said, well, Freddie, if that's the case,

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Speaker 8: put him at forty. Because he's an eighty four. You

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Speaker 8: got to put him somewhere. Put him at forty again.

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Speaker 8: That's that was a story where you talk about rat

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Speaker 8: and that's where you can't let that. And as I

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Speaker 8: got older, I started to be more aware of that

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Speaker 8: and concern by overly concerned. I don't want to be

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Speaker 8: too far off, but you got you can't worry about that.

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Speaker 8: So that's where mock drafts kind of skew the process

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Speaker 8: a bit for you, because it's hard to always just realize, hey,

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Speaker 8: mock drafts or what they are, your ratings. Don't worry

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Speaker 8: about when you're ranking a player. Where he's going to

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Speaker 8: go in the draft, and that's hard to do. It's

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Speaker 8: not easy to do because you don't you only got oh,

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Speaker 8: Kuiper had this guy. And when we do the ratings

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Speaker 8: are also on the crawl on ESPN, you'll see my ratings.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 8: Well, I don't want to necessarily have a guy that's

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Speaker 8: available in the sixth round. Rate is the fifty fifth

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Speaker 8: best player, and every's in the sixth round still available.

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Speaker 8: So you got to you gotta always try to weigh

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Speaker 8: things a little bit and say they're gonna be looking

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Speaker 8: at say, boy, was he awful on that player it's

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Speaker 8: got We're in the sixth, seventh round and Kuiper had

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Speaker 8: this guy is the fiftieth best player. So but you

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Speaker 8: gotta you still have to forget about that to the

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Speaker 8: best of your ability, forget about all that and just

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Speaker 8: rate the players based on what you saw in college.

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Speaker 5: All right, So in this year's draft, Now, who do

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Speaker 5: you think the best player is.

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Speaker 8: I've won one record of the Year week weeks ago,

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Speaker 8: and I thought it was Jalen Carter. I know the

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Speaker 8: character concerns and that the tragedy. Certainly you know it's

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Speaker 8: right now you say, will Anderson Junior would be right there.

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Speaker 8: If you take Carter and you bump them down. Will

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Speaker 8: Anderson Junior, the past rusher from Alabama, was number two

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Speaker 8: on my board. Uh so one of those two, Jalen

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Speaker 8: Carter still remains number one. I think you're still going

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Speaker 8: to go in the top five to seven overall. Will

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Speaker 8: Anderson Junior will probably go three overall to Arizona, and

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Speaker 8: then the quarterbacks after that kind of fall into place

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Speaker 8: with all having some things you like and all having

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Speaker 8: some major red flags as well.

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Speaker 2: All right, so I have two one on Jalen, one

662
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Speaker 2: on someone else. These are the two more most intriguing

663
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Speaker 2: things to me. The one thing about Jalen Carter mel

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Speaker 2: is over the years of the draft, you have dealt

665
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Speaker 2: with players who have had off field issue. So from

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Speaker 2: that standpoint, because you've seen some of this before, how

667
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Speaker 2: much do you think this affects his draft status?

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Speaker 8: Well, that's a great question. Because Warren Sap dropped I

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Speaker 8: believe like around twelve, and he was the number three

670
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Speaker 8: player on the big board that year. Laramie Tunsall was

671
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Speaker 8: number one, dropped I think around eleven, twelve, thirteen, somewhere

672
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Speaker 8: in that area, and both have helped in the great players.

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Speaker 8: So in the case of Jalen Carter won football ability.

674
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Speaker 8: He's the best player in this draft. Now, well, teams

675
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Speaker 8: have concerns. I think some will, some won't. He'll still

676
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Speaker 8: go in the top five to seven obviously the way

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Speaker 8: it looks right now. Chris Mortensen was on today with

678
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Speaker 8: US and said he's not getting out of the top ten.

679
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Speaker 8: And then the thing is, teams from five through ten

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Speaker 8: at six, teams picking from five through ten all need

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Speaker 8: a defensive tackle like the Jalen Carter. So whether it's

682
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Speaker 8: like I say, whether it's Seattle, whether it's Detroit, whether

683
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Speaker 8: it's Las Vegas, there was are three teams there. Then

684
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Speaker 8: you have Atlanta, Carolina, and Philadelphia should be Seattle in

685
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Speaker 8: Philadelphia again, so all those teams need that type of player.

686
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Speaker 8: So you're looking at all those teams in that area.

687
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Speaker 8: Down show from to Chicago at nine with Philadelphia after

688
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Speaker 8: the trade was made. So Seattle, Detroit, Las Vegas, Atlanta, Chicago,

689
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Speaker 8: Philadelphia could all take a defense to tackle.

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Speaker 2: So then the other one for me is and I

691
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Speaker 2: loved watching this kid play and then he blew his

692
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Speaker 2: knee out, and I wonder where he would have been

693
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Speaker 2: in your quarterback rotation had he not. But Hendon Hooker

694
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Speaker 2: is one of the more intriguing players. The quarterback from

695
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Speaker 2: Tennessee throwing the ball, running the ball. They said he'll

696
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Speaker 2: be fined by the start of the season, but it's

697
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Speaker 2: probably a red shirt ear for him of his not

698
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Speaker 2: only his status, but your thoughts of him given the

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Speaker 2: knee situation.

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Speaker 8: Very tough evaluation. The ages twenty five will be twenty

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Speaker 8: six in January. But when I watched him, he got

702
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Speaker 8: the ball out so quick in fast fashion that he

703
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Speaker 8: didn't allow pass rushers to get near him that often.

704
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Speaker 8: When they did, he was accurately dropped a little bit.

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Speaker 8: He had really good receivers to throw to, He had

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Speaker 8: a veteran line in front of him. He had two

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Speaker 8: really good running backs behind him who were able to

708
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Speaker 8: obviously benefit from the passing attack to open up those

709
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Speaker 8: holes and create those opportunities. But yeah, the ball comes

710
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Speaker 8: out so quick. He doesn't have to go through to

711
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Speaker 8: the read the options of the third, fourth, fifth option,

712
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Speaker 8: go through his progressions and find receivers late in the process.

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Speaker 8: He's getting the ball out so quick. He doesn't roll

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Speaker 8: right or left, you know, to throw the football in

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Speaker 8: the move. It's a very quarterback friendly offense for Josh

716
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Speaker 8: fit Bull. There another little bit of a red flag

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Speaker 8: is that, Hey, Joe Milton, who came over from Michigan

718
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Speaker 8: transferred to Tennessee, came in when when after a Hendon

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Speaker 8: Hooker had the ACL injury, played against South Carolina, had

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Speaker 8: he lit up Clemson in their bowl game? And he

721
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Speaker 8: didn't even have in that game, he didn't have Ceda Tillman,

722
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Speaker 8: and he didn't have Jalen Hyatt, their two best receivers.

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Speaker 8: That he's still lit up Clemson, So that tells you

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Speaker 8: how quarterback friendly that offense is. Now, does Hendon Hooker

725
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Speaker 8: have the ability to make all the throws? Does he

726
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Speaker 8: have a really good delivery? Is he a smart, tough kid?

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Speaker 8: Yes he is? Can he move? He had nine rushing

728
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Speaker 8: touchdowns in twenty twenty for Virginia Tech. But the system

729
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Speaker 8: and more so just the fact that what he dealt

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Speaker 8: with at Tennessee is nowhere near what he's gonna have

731
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Speaker 8: to work with and deal with it in the NFL.

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Speaker 8: So you know it's going to take him a little

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Speaker 8: bit of time. So I'm hearing first round, I have

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Speaker 8: a late second round, great on him, So I'm not

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Speaker 8: as high on him as some in the NFL are.

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Speaker 8: I know there's going to be mixed opinion on a

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Speaker 8: lot of players, but the mock draft now are going

738
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Speaker 8: to have him in the first round. I think that's

739
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Speaker 8: probably accurate in terms of my rating, though, guys I

740
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Speaker 8: have him as a late second, early third rounder.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, So you have CJ.

742
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Speaker 5: Stroud, the Ohio State quarterback, going to the Carolina Panthers.

743
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Speaker 5: Mike's buddy, Frank w Reich is the head coach there.

744
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Speaker 5: Now do you think he is indeed the best quarterback?

745
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Speaker 5: Is that the right pick?

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Speaker 3: Bell?

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Speaker 8: I'll tell you what. All these guys I right now

748
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Speaker 8: have it Bryce Young barely over Will Levis, CJ. Stroud,

749
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Speaker 8: and then Anthony Richardson, then Hendon Hooker. That's my top.

750
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Speaker 8: And I think an underrated quarterback is Clayton tune at Houston,

751
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Speaker 8: who's right after that at six. But I think when

752
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Speaker 8: you look at that Stroud, I think he could be

753
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Speaker 8: the number one pick based on his size. He fits

754
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Speaker 8: what Frank Wright has wanted. They keep saying now, Chris

755
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 8: Mortenson said today they're leading to Bryce Young. Bryce Young,

756
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Speaker 8: if you asked him today, he would say, Bryce Young

757
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Speaker 8: is going to be the number one pick. Mike guy

758
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Speaker 8: Will Levis, nobody seems to like. I guess he's going

759
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Speaker 8: to drop into the fifth round. Maybe I'm just kidding,

760
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Speaker 8: but he's the quarterback that's gonna drop. Everybody hated my guy,

761
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Speaker 8: Josh Allen. Everybody hated Josh Allen, everybody hated Justin Fields

762
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Speaker 8: and teams traded up to get those two. You know,

763
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Speaker 8: Buffalo went from twelve to seven to get Josh and

764
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Speaker 8: Sin Chicago went from twenty to eleven to get Justin

765
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Speaker 8: and look how it's turned out for them. And then

766
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Speaker 8: Todd projected mcshade projected a trade up from Tampa Bay

767
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Speaker 8: at eighteen as me at nineteen going up to I

768
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Speaker 8: believe fourteen to get Will Levis in New England moving down.

769
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Speaker 8: So he has a team like Tampa Bay moving up

770
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Speaker 8: to get Levis. He's right now. I think the quarterback

771
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Speaker 8: that's been hated on the most of the top five.

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Speaker 5: Has anyone mel in the history of the scouting combine,

773
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Speaker 5: has anyone ever done more for themselves than Anthony Richardson

774
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Speaker 5: did this past season.

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Speaker 8: I would be it would be hard pressed to find

776
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Speaker 8: somebody that does it more I mean the the combine,

777
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Speaker 8: the deep throw, the testing of the combine, the pro day,

778
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Speaker 8: the fact that he's an unusual uni type of talent.

779
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Speaker 8: I mean, to have the ability to run is one thing,

780
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Speaker 8: but the ability to throw the football the way he

781
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Speaker 8: does now. Accuracy is another issue, but the arm strength,

782
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Speaker 8: the way he throws the ball, and when he's on

783
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Speaker 8: I'll tell you he was on his game against Utah

784
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Speaker 8: September three. I've said on numerous shows, mark it down

785
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Speaker 8: in pen he's the number one pick guaranteed in this draft.

786
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Speaker 8: The next week he goes out against Kentucky, He's at

787
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Speaker 8: forty percent with a couple picks. Four rushing yards on

788
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Speaker 8: six carries. They contain them every which way. He'd looked confused,

789
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Speaker 8: he look frustrated. He look rattled in that game to me.

790
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Speaker 8: And then during the year he's had some games where

791
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Speaker 8: he's been at forty percent, thirty three percent completion percentage.

792
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Speaker 8: But hey, you know, can you fix that? Josh Allen,

793
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Speaker 8: I said, go to Josh's guys, find out who he

794
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Speaker 8: worked with, and go right at it. Because the talent

795
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Speaker 8: is like say, It's like when I said, with Josh,

796
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Speaker 8: Josh had unusual talent. And he had incredible competitiveness. Anthony

797
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Speaker 8: Richardson competitiveness is going to have to prove to be

798
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Speaker 8: like Josh. If he's that type of competitor and wants

799
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Speaker 8: it that bad, then he can be great quarterback because

800
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Speaker 8: he just has to fix some things and if he does,

801
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Speaker 8: the sky's the limit.

802
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Speaker 2: I'll give you a name, Mike Mamula. Mike in Philadelphia.

803
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Speaker 2: Philadelphia swapped picks with Tampa Bay and had to give

804
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Speaker 2: them some other picks. Took Mike Mamola seven, Tampa Bay

805
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 2: dropped back to twelfth and took Warren's sap. So the

806
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Speaker 2: Mike Mamula combine was one of those where I think

807
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 2: some people started saying, Okay, maybe we're valuing this combine

808
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 2: a little too much. Can you go back to that

809
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Speaker 2: one melon and your thoughts on that.

810
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Speaker 8: Yeah, there was no question about that. And the thing

811
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Speaker 8: is Mamola had a pretty good career at BC was

812
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Speaker 8: he was a pretty good player of Tom Coughlin at BC.

813
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Speaker 8: You know what they did with Notre Dame. They prevented

814
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 8: Notre Dame from from after beating Florida State. Know what

815
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Speaker 8: happened that next week? And and uh, you know, Mike

816
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 8: Mamoula had a lot to do with that. It was

817
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 8: when I think Glenn Foley was a quarterback of that

818
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 8: BC team. But you're right, Mamola had some production and

819
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 8: he had that incredible workout. And again that's where you

820
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Speaker 8: that's why it's really difficult. We can sit here and

821
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 8: critique and criticize teams for mistakes they made, and sometimes

822
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Speaker 8: I'll go back. I'll give you a one thing that's

823
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Speaker 8: I think one of the more interesting examples and tells

824
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Speaker 8: you about how lucky and fortunate you have to be

825
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Speaker 8: a few years back and I bring up Josh Allen

826
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Speaker 8: and this we'll talk about great quarterbacks. But Patrick Mahomes

827
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Speaker 8: the best in the business right now. Right the Kansas

828
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Speaker 8: City Chiefs and the Denver Broncos and a couple other

829
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Speaker 8: teams are all trying to get Paxton Lynch. Just as

830
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Speaker 8: a year before Patrick Mahomes came out, they're talking they're

831
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Speaker 8: trying to get Paxton Lynch. Adam Schefter had found out

832
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Speaker 8: that Kansas City was trying to get Paxton Lynch. They

833
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Speaker 8: were trying to move up in that draft to get

834
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Speaker 8: Paxton Lynch. They were not successful. Denver got let say

835
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Speaker 8: successful at the time Denver made the move to get them,

836
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Speaker 8: Kansas City failed in that department. Once they didn't move

837
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Speaker 8: up to get Paxton Lynch, they traded back out of

838
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Speaker 8: the first round completely. Didn't never picked in day one,

839
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Speaker 8: now a day two or early day two, they picked

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Speaker 8: Chris Jones, defensive lineman coming out of Mississippi State. Had

841
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Speaker 8: they gotten Packed Lynch, there's no Chris Jones with the

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Speaker 8: Kansas City Chiefs. Had they gotten Paxton Lynch, there was

843
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Speaker 8: no Chris Jones, and the next year there would have

844
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Speaker 8: been no Patrick Mahomes going to the Kansas City Chiefs.

845
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Speaker 8: So that trade that never happened for the Kansas City

846
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Speaker 8: Chiefs that they wanted to happen. They wanted to get

847
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Speaker 8: Paxson Lynch, they didn't allowed them to get Chris Jones,

848
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Speaker 8: the foundation piece of their defense and cornerstone of their defense.

849
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Speaker 8: And Patrick Mahomes who's arguably going to be not arguably

850
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Speaker 8: the best that ever play in the game and already

851
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Speaker 8: has two Super Bowl rings. So there you go, just

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Speaker 8: a mistake on Lynch would have would have where would

853
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Speaker 8: have put the Chiefs right now. But the fact that

854
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Speaker 8: that trade didn't actually happen, and that Denver Broncos ended

855
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Speaker 8: up with a not Kansas City gave the Chiefs the

856
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Speaker 8: two players that have allowed them to be where they

857
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Speaker 8: are right now.

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Speaker 5: I remind everyone the man's is not on a cell phone,

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Speaker 5: He's not using a computer.

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Speaker 3: This is all off the top of his head. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's the most amazing thing I've ever witnessed

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Speaker 5: in my entire life. Malkiver Junior with us as Backdraft

863
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Speaker 5: is out checking out on ESPN.

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Speaker 3: What do you like about will Levis.

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Speaker 8: Mell toughness, just a toughness. I mean, he battled through

866
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Speaker 8: so many bad hits and injuries tow shoulder, everywhere in between.

867
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Speaker 8: His body was so beat up. Remember they lost Luke Fortner,

868
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Speaker 8: their center went to the Jacksonville Jaguars, had a heck

869
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Speaker 8: of a rookie year, Darien Cannard who's been a great

870
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Speaker 8: tackle for them for years. Will Windale Robinson, their number

871
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Speaker 8: one go to receiver, went to the NFL that year's

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Speaker 8: the second round pick to the Giants, who was really

873
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 8: good till he got hurt. And then Chris Rodriguez, their

874
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 8: running back, was suspended the first four games, and that

875
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 8: kind of mirrored what Josh Allen had to deal with

876
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 8: his final year. Josh had lost his center Chase Roullier,

877
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 8: his running back Brian Hill, his tight m Jacob Hollister,

878
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,959
Speaker 8: and his top wide receiver Tanner Gentry all who played

879
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 8: in the NFL. You can't reload at Wyoming And that's

880
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 8: why Josh that final year had some major struggles. And

881
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 8: that's why Will Levis this past year had some major

882
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 8: struggles in addition to his coordinator Liam Cohen going to

883
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 8: the Rams and a system changed there as well took place.

884
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 8: So I think Will and I and hey, there's some

885
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 8: things that concerned me. The turnovers certainly concern you, and

886
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 8: concerned me with Josh Allen, concerned me with Daniel Jones.

887
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 8: But they were able to fix it. Right. You can

888
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 8: fix that. The weightlifting, too many curls. The bodybuilding, you're

889
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 8: not mister you know, mister America here. You want to

890
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 8: be a quarterback. Yeah, you're not looking to win a

891
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 8: bodybuilding Come. So I agree with what they're saying. You

892
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 8: need to just get him out of that weight room,

893
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 8: stop doing the curl, streamline that arm, don't have it

894
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 8: all muscled up and tight and uh, and then I

895
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 8: think he will be fine. I think what he's doing

896
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 8: now is saying, Okay, I'm hearing this negativity. He said

897
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 8: at the COMBA it's the media. I think he's just

898
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 8: hearing all this hate and saying, hey, I gotta defend

899
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 8: myself the best I can. So I think that's why

900
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 8: some of the brashness and the confidence or something today

901
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 8: swagger cockiness is coming out. Hey, he made no excuses

902
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 8: this year. He was with that team the entire way.

903
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 8: He fought his way back game herefter the game. He

904
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 8: didn't play in a bowl game because he was so

905
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 8: beat up. Yet he was with that team. He didn't

906
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 8: leave him. He was with them the whole way. He

907
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 8: threw a pick six against Emmanuel Forbes in Mississippi State game.

908
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 8: The seconds liter he takes them seventy five yards down

909
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 8: the field for a touchdown. So he has a short memory.

910
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 8: Uh yeah, there's some things that concern me. There's a

911
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 8: lot of things to like, and the main thing is

912
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 8: just how talented that right arm is when you streamline it,

913
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 8: and how competitive he is in terms of wanting to

914
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 8: be a great quarterback.

915
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 5: Who's the GM, Who's what's the organization now right now?

916
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 5: In your opinion, that's doing the draft better than anyone else.

917
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 8: I think so's it's Seattle. I think John Schneider and

918
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 8: Seattle with Pete Carroll, they've been together. They know how

919
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 8: to work this process. They know how to move around

920
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 8: to steal players that slide that de pick the right players.

921
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 8: Everything has fallen well for them. And with Gino Smith.

922
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 8: Now we'll see what Gino can do now he had

923
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 8: that career year. But the way they put that team

924
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 8: back together last year so quickly, and the way they

925
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 8: had attacked the draft over the years, I would think Seattle,

926
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 8: and you know here I'm a good Eric the Costa

927
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 8: is a good friend of mine here in Baltimore. They've

928
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 8: had some hits and misses, but overall this Ravens teams

929
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 8: always in contention, and for a reason. They have a

930
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 8: GM and Eric the cost who gets it. But I

931
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 8: certainly I think John Schneider. There's a Hall of Fame

932
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 8: GM in the NFL right now. John Schneider at Seattle

933
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 8: is that guy.

934
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 4: Mel Obviously, thirty one players are going to get picked

935
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 4: in the first round because the Dolphins don't have their pick,

936
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 4: But how many I'm curious, do you actually have a

937
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 4: first round.

938
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 8: Grade on now not a lot, and I don't finalize

939
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,479
Speaker 8: that yet, but I would say right now I only

940
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 8: have a first round grade on seventeen players and that's it.

941
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 8: And I'm down to seventeen. I think from that point

942
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 8: one I might be able to stretch it to twenty one,

943
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 8: twenty two. That's as far as I n actually strived

944
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 8: to put a final grade on the guys. But right

945
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 8: now I'm looking at it, I'd say fifteen to eighteen

946
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 8: truly will have a first round grade.

947
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: So Mel, when we talk about first rounders going to

948
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 2: the next level, the expectation is high. What in your mind,

949
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 2: let's say top ten picks, What in your mind is

950
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 2: the line of that was a good pick or that

951
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: was a bust pick over over a number.

952
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 8: Of years, I'd say, for me, there's there's no I've

953
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 8: tried to gauge that like, and there's no rhyme. Every

954
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 8: which way you look, you can find guys that whether

955
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 8: they went fifth, or they went eighth, or they went fourteenth,

956
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 8: there's always there's no perfect formula for that. I will say,

957
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 8: when you look at the board, I'm always an advocate

958
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 8: and I've always been promoted to trade down, move down

959
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 8: get extra picks. The late great Bill Walsh. You talked

960
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 8: about who could work the draft better than anybody. The

961
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,439
Speaker 8: late great Bill Walsh could, and I sat and talked

962
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 8: to him. It was the year our daughter Lauren was born.

963
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 8: I came late to that pre draft. It was actually

964
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 8: it was the expansion draft when Caroline and Jacksonville came

965
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 8: into the NFL. And I remember being there, sat after

966
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 8: the meeting with Bill and it just picked his brain

967
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 8: and he just said about trading down, getting those extra choices.

968
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 8: They'll tell me what a player can do. They'll don't

969
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 8: tell me what he can't do, tell me what he

970
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 8: can do. I don't want to know what a player

971
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 8: can't do. I won't know what you tell me what

972
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 8: he can do. So I think Bill Walsh always believe that.

973
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 8: And remember there was that one great draft that put

974
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 8: them over the top. They traded out of the first round,

975
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 8: traded in to the second, traded down twice, and one

976
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 8: of the best drafts in the history of the NFL drafts.

977
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 8: So I'd say working the draft by moving down, uh

978
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 8: is the best way to do it. In most cases,

979
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 8: it was always instances where you can move up. Now

980
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 8: I guess they move up and get Josh Allen, go

981
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 8: up and get that quarterback if he slides the time.

982
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 8: But moving down over the years, I think has been

983
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 8: the best way to attack things.

984
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 5: All right, Well, I know you got to run with you.

985
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 5: Appreciate your time. It's a busy time for you. Just

986
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 5: quickly on the way out here. Your evaluation. I have

987
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 5: three players and we get that. We'll get you the

988
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 5: hell out of here.

989
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 3: Okay.

990
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 5: Mike Golid Junior coming out of Notre Dame, what was

991
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 5: your write up on him?

992
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 8: Mike? It was a hard working, tough played a little high.

993
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 8: But I say if he was coached up by by

994
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 8: a really good defensive line coach, he could be a

995
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 8: good rotation type on the inside.

996
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 3: Mike, I didn't know you played on you know, after

997
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 3: smoking joints.

998
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 2: I mean that was that was a really good evaluation.

999
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 2: That's pretty much what happened, all right.

1000
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 3: Mike Golid Junior an.

1001
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 8: Good great bloodlines. I love the blood lines, great football family.

1002
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 8: The classic overachiever, a smart does everything he has. We'll

1003
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 8: have Well, we'll find a way to fight his way

1004
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 8: onto an NFL roster as an undrafted free agent.

1005
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 3: All right, Chris Simms Chris.

1006
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 8: It was a guy who certainly battled at Texas, did

1007
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 8: everything he was asked to do. Did the same thing

1008
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 8: at Tampa. I had, I believe, coming out a fourth

1009
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 8: or fifth round grade on Chris. He went in the

1010
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 8: third round. I believe I think I had a fourth

1011
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 8: round grade on him coming out, And uh, you know,

1012
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 8: I guess a tough kid just battled. It wasn't there

1013
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 8: a lot of pressure. It was a lot of expectations

1014
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 8: for Chris, obviously because of his name, Phil Simmson. So

1015
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 8: I think for Chris Simms, I think he did. I

1016
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 8: guess I dealt with that pressure. I thought very effectively

1017
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 8: for the kind of stress he was under.

1018
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 5: All Right, last one, and these are all contributors to

1019
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 5: the show. Okay, Austin Eckler, who went undrafted. What was

1020
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 5: your evaluation of Austin?

1021
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 8: I had no clue who Elstin Eckler was heard. I'd

1022
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 8: heard about I'd heard about him through the process, got

1023
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 8: some stuff to look at. I believe me he was

1024
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 8: the ultimate sleeper. Austin Eckler was a guy, and congratulations

1025
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 8: to him. Boy, what a kid, what a worker. And

1026
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 8: that just shows you that we can have all the

1027
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 8: technology we want. We can have fifty million scouts out there,

1028
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 8: everybody talking to everybody, and players slide through the cracks,

1029
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 8: and certainly he did. And he's a testimony to what

1030
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 8: they Just believing in yourself and not worrying about who

1031
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 8: you played against, just believing in what you can do,

1032
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 8: and for his career to go the way it is

1033
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 8: it has so far, He's still got a lot of

1034
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 8: great football ahead. Just like I say, I think everybody

1035
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 8: in the league and say one thing we missed on

1036
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 8: Austin Eckler, that is amazing.

1037
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 2: When Mel can say I didn't know a lot about him,

1038
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: that is something my mind is, Wow.

1039
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 3: Yes, Wow.

1040
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 5: Now we appreciate the time. I'm going to be at

1041
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 5: the NFL Draft, Mike, you going to be there.

1042
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: I Am going to be in Boston doing stuff for

1043
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 2: DraftKings in studio there.

1044
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: Okay, of course you are getting paid as usual.

1045
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 2: Mel.

1046
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 5: I am going to see you in Kansas City. I'm

1047
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 5: gonna sit down with you. I'm going to teach you

1048
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 5: how to use a cell phone.

1049
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 9: Okay, if that's what you're hey, if you bring crabcakes

1050
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 9: from Maryland, Maryland, and when they say crabcakes and football,

1051
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 9: that's what Maryland does maybe said you bring a cell phone,

1052
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 9: you will not be talking to me.

1053
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 5: Okay, I'll bring crampcakes and you and I will just

1054
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 5: sit down and talk.

1055
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 3: Is that okay?

1056
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 8: As well? Have a great one, guys. It's a pumpkin pie.

1057
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 8: Guys enjoyed it. Mat Well, I just.

1058
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 3: Want to say this.

1059
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 2: On the way out, he hung out.

1060
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,439
Speaker 3: I don't give it one of the I don't care.

1061
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 3: I wanted to say, I love them.

1062
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: Isn't he great?

1063
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 5: Uh?

1064
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: He's phenomenal, phenomenal And what he has turned that part

1065
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: of the draft into with all the draft out there

1066
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: away from teams, you know, scouts and all that, it's unbelievable.

1067
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 2: And Mel started all of it.

1068
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 3: I can't believe you played high.

1069
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I played a little high at times,

1070
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 2: and that you know, being six five, you know that

1071
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: was something you know, I I I needed to play

1072
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: with I learned from wrestling sometimes a little better leverage,

1073
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 2: but I would start off a little high at times.

1074
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing. What do you remember draft?

1075
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 2: Do I remember about the draft?

1076
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 5: Oh?

1077
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 2: I remember plenty about the draft. So after my junior year,

1078
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: I was an I don't mention all American. I was

1079
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: projected like second rounder my senior year, and then I

1080
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 2: got hurt in the first game, and I really should

1081
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: have red shirted. I should have not played that year.

1082
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: I should have got operated on, but I didn't want to.

1083
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: I wanted to play, and I never played more than

1084
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 2: a half the rest of the year in a game.

1085
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 2: And then right after the season, I got my shoulder

1086
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: operated on. So I played half, basically half of the

1087
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: half of the games all year, got an operation, went

1088
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: to the combine, could do nothing because of an operation,

1089
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: and went in the tenth round. And what I remember

1090
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 2: about the draft is my brother Bob came to Notre

1091
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: Dame with a bunch of beer, like he always did.

1092
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: I got drunk, sober and drunk before I got drafted.

1093
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: That's how long it took to get drafted. YEA.

1094
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 5: By the way, the last time we spoke to you,

1095
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 5: the Aaron Rodgers deal, well, people were talking about how

1096
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 5: it was done and we should be celebrating.

1097
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: How's that going for you, Stu?

1098
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 5: Well now they were that San Francisco is ready to

1099
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 5: balance if the Jets below this, it's a race to

1100
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 5: whoever finds Mercedes Lewis first gets Aaron Rodgers.

1101
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: The Jets aren't gonna blow with The Jets are just waiting.

1102
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: They're trying to give up as little as possible. The

1103
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: deadline for that is the draft. So the pressure can

1104
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: you know, put the pressure where you want? Is it

1105
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: on green Bay? Do we take with the Jets are

1106
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 2: offering so we get some picks this year or once

1107
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: you get close to the Jet's gonna say, we can't

1108
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: f this thing up, so we're gonna have to give

1109
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: more than we wanted to. So it's I think it's

1110
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: kind of a game of chicken right now on what

1111
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 2: the compensation will be. And the deadline is the draft,

1112
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 2: so green Bay can use some of that some of

1113
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,919
Speaker 2: that those assets this year.

1114
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 3: Mike Ya, where are you right now with Aaron and

1115
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: the Jets? Huh?

1116
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 4: I think it's just waiting to happen. Nothing's gonna spur

1117
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 4: action like deadline. The deadline is the draft.

1118
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen to you if the Jet sign Odell,

1119
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: I mean you've got Garrett Wilson, I mean, and that defense.

1120
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: It's so weird to say, but boy, watch out, the

1121
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: JETSA can be looking pretty good, which is a stundard.

1122
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: It's almost hard.

1123
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 5: I know, I know, don't say it, Mike, real quick here,

1124
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 5: Lamar Jackson, I can't believe the last time we spoke,

1125
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 5: I think three or four weeks ago at the FAT Like,

1126
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 5: this is a twenty five year old former MVP who

1127
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 5: was sitting here without an offer. He could use an agent.

1128
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 5: He should have an agent. It's ridiculous that he does it.

1129
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 5: But what do you make of all.

1130
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: This, Mike, Well, first thing, let me ask you, what

1131
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 2: would an agent do if Lamar truly wants a fully

1132
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: guaranteed contract? In my opinion, an agent is not going

1133
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 2: to help him get that.

1134
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 6: Now.

1135
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: If he wants to negotiate its close like a three

1136
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar deal with two hundred and thirty two

1137
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: million guaranteed, so he has more guaranteed than a Shan

1138
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: Watson or something, maybe he could use an agent to

1139
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 2: kind of decipher all that. But if he truly wants

1140
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: a fully guaranteed I'm not sure what an agent is

1141
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: going to do. Differently, if his starting point is Deshaun

1142
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: Watson and I don't know that, I don't know. But

1143
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: if his starting point is Deshaun Watson and it has

1144
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 2: to be fully guaranteed, I'm not sure the difference an

1145
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 2: agent could make in that. Now, if you start looking

1146
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: at different numbers, different kind of computations of how you

1147
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: want to lay out the contract, then I agree, then

1148
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 2: I think an agent can help. So where we are

1149
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 2: now with this is I think there are teams that

1150
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 2: A don't want to offer fully guaranteed contracts. B don't

1151
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 2: even want to make an offer because they know deep

1152
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: down Baltimore is going to match. I think somebody had

1153
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: said the bridge is burned between Baltimore and Lamar. I

1154
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 2: don't believe that one bitch. I agree, because money can always,

1155
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: you know, help rebuild a bridge. So I think there

1156
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: are teams that won't bid and let their quarterback know

1157
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: that they were looking at Lamar because kind of like

1158
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: the whole to a deal in Miami, right, just just

1159
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 2: a bid for him and then have Baltimore match. Now again,

1160
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 2: you can go around that by just trading for him,

1161
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 2: and then it's whatever compensation you want to give up.

1162
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: Then it's not a matching situation. But right now, if

1163
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: you want to go down that road of the tag,

1164
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: it's two first rounders and an offer that Baltimore could match.

1165
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 5: I think your overall, your overall point of what's an

1166
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 5: age you're gonna do if he wants that guaranteed contract,

1167
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 5: if he wants to Shawn Watson money. I understand where

1168
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 5: you're coming from, and I agree with it. But I

1169
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 5: think if it's a trusted agent who's really good at this,

1170
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 5: he tells lamar, Hey, I know that's what you want.

1171
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 5: There's a difference between what you want and what you're

1172
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 5: gonna get, and it's my job to tell you what you're.

1173
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 3: Gonna get and what you're not getting.

1174
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: Is that that's a good point. That's a good point.

1175
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: I can't argue with that one bit. And again, you know,

1176
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 2: are we gonna are we talking collusion? Again? My thought

1177
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 2: is they don't have to collude to not want to

1178
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 2: give a guaranteed contract and want to throw a dart

1179
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: at Haslam for what he did with Deshaun Watson. The

1180
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 2: absolute bottom line is the owners look at that as

1181
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 2: an outlier, the player looks at that as a precedent,

1182
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 2: the Deshaun Watson deal, and that's where we are right now. Mike.

1183
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 4: I would also say it's very hard to have a

1184
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 4: frank conversation with a player about the player to sign him,

1185
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 4: whereas you can have these conversations because you have those

1186
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 4: relationships with agents. I would say, like, that's part of

1187
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 4: the hold up. I think he's probably hurting himself by

1188
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 4: not having an agent.

1189
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 2: Now again, Richard Sherman has done it. Roquan Smith has

1190
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 2: done it. You know, Roquan Smith got an unbelievable deal

1191
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 2: for a middle back or whether they're not quarterbacks. Tunsell

1192
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: has done it. And but that's exactly where I was

1193
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 2: gonna go next. It's not a quarterback trying to smash

1194
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 2: the ceiling of guaranteed contracts, because if he doesn't do it.

1195
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: Is Joe Burrow going to hold out enough to do that?

1196
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 2: Is justin Herbert gonna hold out enough to do that,

1197
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: Is Jalen Hurt's gonna hold out enough to do that.

1198
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 2: There's a few quarterbacks in line that we wonder Will

1199
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: any of them say I'm not playing until I get

1200
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: a guarantee contract. I don't think so, because at the

1201
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 2: end of the day, I don't think not playing helps

1202
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: you at all. I really don't to sit out an

1203
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: entire season. So again, like anything else, when you get

1204
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 2: to business, it's a game of chicken. You know who's

1205
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 2: going to blink first.

1206
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 5: It's not just say, listen, Lamar has people, He has

1207
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 5: an attorney, he has people working for him that are

1208
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 5: helping him with this. I guess from my standpoint, like

1209
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,879
Speaker 5: it's hard to you're playing during the season and that's

1210
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 5: when your agent is kind of out there and shopping

1211
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 5: you around. He's going to be a free agent at

1212
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 5: the end or unrestricted at the end of the year,

1213
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 5: blah blah blah blah, and he can come to Lamar

1214
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 5: and see, Lamar, I have made every call that you

1215
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 5: would make yourself right now.

1216
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 3: I've made him already for you. And there's the deal

1217
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 3: you're looking for, is not there.

1218
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 5: Let's take the two hundred million guarantee from Baltimore get

1219
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 5: the hell out of here.

1220
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 2: Listen, I Stu, I agree with you. I would never

1221
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 2: as an average player, I wouldn't think about doing it

1222
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 2: without an agent. That's not to say I don't applaud

1223
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 2: those that get it done without an agent. And if

1224
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: that's the route you want to go, hey, more power

1225
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: to you. Give it a go. It can work great

1226
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: for you or it can backfire on you. Just just

1227
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: kind of like a college player transferring three times. It

1228
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: could work great for you, or it could blow up.

1229
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: In your face, So just don't know. Lamar seems to

1230
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: be set on getting the greatest deal ever and doing

1231
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: it in stealth where he kind of has maybe those markers. Again,

1232
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 2: I don't know that for a fact, but that's kind

1233
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: of the teams where we're going, and that's what he

1234
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 2: wants to do. So then it comes down to is

1235
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 2: he drawing his line in magic marker or in pencil

1236
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: to where can you move it? Or he's saying that's it.

1237
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: I'm not crossing over this line. This is where I'm staying.

1238
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 2: Because people are saying if nothing happens, there's no way

1239
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 2: he should play on thirty two million year. I disagree.

1240
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 2: I'd never see sitting out ye benefiting year.

1241
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 5: It worked out for kirk Cousins, right, Oh, it definitely

1242
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 5: worked out for kirk Cousins two years on the tag

1243
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 5: and then getting a fully guaranteed deal at what eighty

1244
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 5: four million or whatever it was it did.

1245
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: But Lamar has things that he wants to go. It

1246
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 2: seems like, again I don't know him, but it seems

1247
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 2: like he is.

1248
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 5: He's determined to get this done without an agent, yes,

1249
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 5: and to.

1250
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 2: Get what he wants, and as we know, shit don't

1251
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: work that way. I mean, you know, you could be

1252
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 2: the greatest player in the world. I mean, we see

1253
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 2: it in baseball when it comes to arbitration. You can

1254
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: have a monster year and the team is talking how

1255
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 2: much they love you, and then you get to arbitration.

1256
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,439
Speaker 2: It's amazing the darts they can pull out and start

1257
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 2: throwing at you when all of a sudden, you're talking money.

1258
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 2: But you know what, it's business and right now, the

1259
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 2: business side of football, you know, is way different than

1260
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: the emotional personal side of football. Those two have a

1261
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 2: tough time meeting in the middle anywhere you agreed.

1262
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 3: You like Jos Shroud. Do you think he's the Uh?

1263
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,479
Speaker 2: Yes, I would to me be the number one pick.

1264
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: I've said this before. I think he and Bryce Young

1265
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 2: are right there. I don't care about Bryce's size. We've

1266
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 2: seen smaller quarterbacks get it done. That doesn't affect me anymore.

1267
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 2: In the way the game's played today, I have I

1268
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 2: like Stroud as the number one by a hair over

1269
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 2: over Young. Listen, if they take Young, I think they're

1270
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: both gonna work out well. But let's remember four quarterbacks

1271
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 2: go in the first round. History says two we're gonna

1272
00:55:29,719 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: bust So who knows both of them guys could bust it.

1273
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: It could be Lewiston Richardson who pan out. I don't know.

1274
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 2: I hear some saying Richardson might go number one. I

1275
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 2: don't think that. I think he's Listen, this isn't about

1276
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 2: his intellect, it's about experience. Thirteen starts and remember, in

1277
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 2: college you still aren't seeing all the variations in speed

1278
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 2: you're going to see in the NFL. So even guys

1279
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 2: who have played three four years in college two three

1280
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 2: four years has seen more reps. They're even going to

1281
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 2: struggle at the next level because of stuff they haven't seen.

1282
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 2: So now a guy with thirteen starts that is tough.

1283
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: And I know he's a great athlete. And the beautiful

1284
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 2: thing is he's gonna be able to get himself out

1285
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 2: of a lot of trouble while he's learning this through reps.

1286
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: But it's probably gonna take a little time. But man,

1287
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: I'm excited to watch what that freaky zo he does

1288
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 2: because he he is something to watch.

1289
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 4: Crazy Mike, Mike, there's there seems like there's no there's

1290
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 4: obviously no Trevor Lawrence type in this draft. There's no

1291
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,560
Speaker 4: there's some of a knock on all of these quarterbacks.

1292
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 4: But when it's all said and done after the draft,

1293
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 4: by what pick will all four quarterbacks be gone?

1294
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 2: Do you think, oh my god, you know what when

1295
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 2: you're talking about quarterbacks, teams can't help themselves. All four

1296
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 2: will definitely be top ten. I think definitely top ten.

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00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 2: I think without a doubt top ten, and someone will

1298
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 2: trade up because they'll fear somebody else will take them.

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00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 5: Well, Michael, I think the first three picks are gonna

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Speaker 5: be quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: I think the Texans the Colt.

1302
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 2: So it's an out of the fourth one, which I

1303
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,399
Speaker 2: think will be Levis. Where where does he go? Does

1304
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 2: somebody trade up into the.

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00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,439
Speaker 3: Top ten or is there Seattle and pick?

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00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think Seattle would like Anthony Richardson quite honestly,

1307
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 2: but they may not may not be able to get him.

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00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 3: No, But Mike, if you look at the top three,

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00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 3: you have CJ.

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00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 5: Tradd the Carolina Bryce showing to the Texans, Levis possibly

1311
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 5: to the Colts. Then you have Arizona they're stuck with

1312
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,439
Speaker 5: Kyler Murray, and then you have Seattle at five.

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00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 3: I could see Richardson going there.

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00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: I think that would be awesome for Seattle. You got

1315
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: Geno Smith, let Richardson, watch learn, get reps, get reps,

1316
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: get reps, get reps. You know, at the NFL level,

1317
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 2: I think is huge. But but we'll see. I mean

1318
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 2: it's and the one thing I love you see all

1319
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 2: these quarterbacks outside of Bryce Young, they're all big this year, right,

1320
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 2: six three, six, four, six five forty. They're all good

1321
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 2: sized guys who can who can move pretty well. I

1322
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: know Stroud was talked about is not doing as well

1323
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: on the run. He did well against Georgia, you know,

1324
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 2: out of the pocket and such. But they're all they're

1325
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 2: all good. Clayton Tone, the kid from Houston, is another

1326
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 2: good sized guy who who I like Hendon Hooker as well.

1327
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 2: So you have a lot of like more bigger profile

1328
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 2: quarterbacks from a size.

1329
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 5: Standpoint, Mike, Yeah, the good news is we're not gonna

1330
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 5: have a bust in the first round of the quarterback

1331
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 5: position this year.

1332
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 3: It's been a while maybe.

1333
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 2: And let me tell you what I cringe. I cringe

1334
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 2: every time every everybody says, look at Anthony Richardson rolling

1335
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 2: left and just flicking the ball sixty yards, because all

1336
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 2: I think of is Zach Wilson doing the same thing

1337
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: on his pro day and I'm like, my god, people

1338
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 2: just stop. Just watch him in pads. It's okay. He

1339
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: looks great in shorts and a T shirt.

1340
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 3: He just called him a freakazoid.

1341
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: Well, no, on the field, I mean shorts and a

1342
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: T shirt. I mean on the field what he can do. Shit,

1343
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 2: He's dropping shoulders like Josh Allen does. He will run

1344
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: over people. I mean he is. He is. Wow, He's

1345
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 2: something to watch. But man, just not a lot of experience.

1346
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 2: And when you don't have a lot of experience as

1347
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 2: a quarterback in college, man, what you're going to see

1348
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: in the NFL from the speed, the size of the

1349
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 2: small size of the windows, the protections, the blitzes, where

1350
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 2: they coming from. What you have to check out of

1351
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 2: it is it will make smoke come out of your ears,

1352
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: even if you have a lot of starts in college.

1353
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: So let's and I've heard nothing but great things about

1354
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: him in the classroom as well, you know up on

1355
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 2: you know, watching film and talking ball. So it's just

1356
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 2: a matter of how quickly he can you know, put

1357
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 2: that to practical application on the field.

1358
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 3: Michael, I'm surprised.

1359
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 5: So you're not going to the draft you're going to

1360
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 5: be in Boston doing stuff for DraftKings.

1361
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Mike and I will be in studios and

1362
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 2: DraftKings Studios are in Boston and we'll be doing live

1363
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 2: shows to the first. We'll be there doing shows Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

1364
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: and then we'll be on live during the draft as well.

1365
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: You know, people have alternatives, you switch around to different places,

1366
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 2: so we'll see.

1367
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 3: I'll be out there.

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01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 5: So if you need me as a correspondent, feel free

1369
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 5: to to bring me on the big show.

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01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, got it, You've got it.

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01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 3: You're not going to bring me on the No.

1372
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: Not given a chance.

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01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: Appreciate that. Thanks.

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01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 5: H m hmm.