1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Welcome back 5 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: to the show. My name is Matt Noel is on 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: an adventurer. But wait, who are you? That's right? They 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: call me Ben. We are joined with our super producer 8 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled decand most importantly, you are you. You 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: are here and that makes this stuff they don't want 10 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: you to know. This is a weird one, Matt. This 11 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: is an episode that a lot of our fellow and 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: listeners had asked us to cover in years past. Yes, 13 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: it's it's a callback. It's a callback, it really is, 14 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: and we did. We did an episode related to this 15 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: topic way back in what So. Looking back, it's strange 16 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: to recall that the teen presidential campaign happened three years ago. Yeah, 17 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: it certainly doesn't seem as though that much time has passed, 18 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 1: but in fact it has a three ish years. Yeah, 19 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: we're not quite there and we're not quite to November yet, 20 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: but still, hey, it's it's crazy that much time has passed, 21 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: and you know, elections especially presidential elections in this country. 22 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: They bring out the best and the worst of us. 23 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: I think. I think that's incredibly optimistic, and I appreciate 24 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: that I needed to hear some good news today. Uh, 25 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: you're You're absolutely right, my friend. I agree with you. 26 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: Way back in ten, when we first did some episodes 27 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,559 Speaker 1: on elections, we figured that the most fact based and 28 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: the fairest way for us to sum up all the 29 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: allegations and conspiratorial accusations that we had we had heard of, 30 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: was to do one episode for each of the political 31 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: party front runners. So we did one episode on conspiracies 32 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: about the Trump campaign, and we did one episode on 33 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: conspiracies about the Hillary Clinton campaign. Yes, and Bernie didn't 34 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: even make it in there. Actually that's not true. Bernie 35 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: made an appearance in the Clinton episode. Oh yeah, yeah, 36 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: along with your your pal Wasserman Schultz, right, Oh, everyone's 37 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 1: pal Wasserman Schultz. It was like this. Both of those 38 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: episodes together were like this Avengers Infinity War team up 39 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: of horrible people doing horrible things. It really was, and 40 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: whether we like it or not, we contributed to whatever 41 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: it is that we are in right now, whatever this is, 42 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: we we just gave a little bit because everyone involved, 43 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: like you said, it was all there. But he goes 44 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: up to no good and there really wasn't a great choice, 45 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: it seemed, at least in my opinion, Yeah, because we 46 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: had we had a situation wherein mass media was being 47 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: leveraged so effectively. Mass media was around another elections, but 48 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: it hadn't quite reached the fever pitch that it reached 49 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: in the ten presidential campaign. And like most presidential campaigns 50 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: here in the States, the one in sten saw the 51 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: rise and fall of multitudes of politicians, as well as 52 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: the sudden rise and candidly the disappearance of various scandals, 53 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, astely. So today's story starts 54 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: with one of the famous controversies, or should we say 55 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: infamous controversies in that election. It's known as the Hillary 56 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: Clinton email scandal or email controversy. The word choice there 57 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: depends upon which which side of the aisle you fall on. 58 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: For a lot of people, how much do you want 59 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: to downplay this? Right? Right? So for some people this 60 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: was a case study in out of control media grasping 61 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: its straws, right, and those were generally people who were 62 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: supporters of the Clinton campaign. For others, generally opponents of 63 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: that campaign, it was a case study and how the 64 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: powerful can sweep their political dirt under the figurative rug. 65 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: The reality it was somewhere in the middle, right right, right, 66 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: And and nowadays people still use the phrase but the emails. 67 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: So first things first, what are we talking about here? Well, 68 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: that that a phrase, but the emails it's kind of shorthand, 69 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: really and it's a bit of a joke. Uh, and 70 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: it's uh, I don't know, it's it's pretty crazy. It 71 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: goes back to this series of really security violations that 72 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: were undertaken. I don't know how you how you put 73 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: that that they were there were violations that the Clinton 74 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: campaign did while she was in office as Secretary of State, 75 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: and uh, it was it had to do with putting 76 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: emails on a private server, or or putting emails that 77 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: should not be on a private server on a private 78 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: server right in the in the big major scheme of things, 79 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: that's what it is. And ultimately you're talking about the 80 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: classification of certain email and information within emails that maybe 81 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: shouldn't have been on a private server. And I know 82 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: that for many of us listening today, this is something 83 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: that you may feel that you heard ad nauseum three 84 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: years ago. Uh, and you're thinking, well, why should I 85 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: said listen this? We have a plot twist coming up 86 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: for you. This is not just an episode about emails. 87 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: The plot thickens pretty quickly. But to get there, we 88 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: need to walk through the email scandal, the email controversy. 89 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: It is exactly as you described it, Matt, a series 90 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: of security violations. Think of it as um, you know what. 91 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: Think of one server as a an old school filing cabinet, right, 92 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: and then another server right next to it, another old 93 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: school filing cabinet. And in the server to your right, 94 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: that's where all the classified stuff goes. What's up with 95 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: North Korea? What? What are Iran and various other Middle 96 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: Eastern powers angry or cranky about today? That goes into 97 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: this one file cabinet, and that file kinet has a 98 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: crazy amount of locks on it and biometric scanning in 99 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: order to get into it. It's intense stuff. And then 100 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: you have the other file cabinet on your left, no locks. 101 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: It's kind of a junk drawer there are you know, 102 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: they're like old recipes, maybe some Pinterest things in there. 103 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: But then one way or another, through accident or through 104 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: intentional action. The stuff that's top secret or just secret 105 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: ends up there with the recipes and the hey, what 106 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: are you doing on Saturday? Let's go to um? What's 107 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: a chain restaurant? Oh Charlie's. Oh, Paul's gonna kill us 108 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: if we don't shout out sorry, sorry, Paul Applebee's. Jeez, 109 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: that was close. Here's another major distinction we have to make. Yes, 110 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: the server on your right, the one that has all 111 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: those locks on it, with all the Class WIED information, 112 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: that one can be seen by the State Department, by 113 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: a lot of other intelligence agencies. There's there's uh, there's 114 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: accountability on that one right to the government. On the 115 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: private one, that one, the one on your left, it's 116 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: completely controlled by the Clinton campaign and people who are 117 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: contracted to work with the Clinton campaign on that email server. 118 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: That's a huge thing that we have to just remember. 119 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: Absolutely great point. There is a chain of custody in 120 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: theory for everything in that right hand filing cabinet. This 121 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: controversy is is a series of security violations. Misfiled emails, 122 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: deleted emails, and that's another big thing, deleted deleted emails. Yet, 123 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: and this started before Clinton became the Democratic candidate in 124 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: the campaign, but it continued during the campaign. This didn't 125 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: really become a national story until March of when The 126 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: New York Times ran a front page article on the subject. 127 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: The article said that the system quote may have violated 128 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: federal requirements and was quote alarming unquote to current and 129 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: former government archive officials. So that's what that's what the 130 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: Clinton campaign was found doing. Clinton was found to have 131 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: used her family's private server for official communications instead of 132 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: official State Department email accounts. This happens to a lot 133 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: of people on a much smaller scale. Let's say that 134 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: you have multiple social media accounts. Let's say that, like 135 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: our good friend Mission Control, you have one account that's 136 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: Paul something or other, and then you have another account 137 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: that is Applebee's Facts. Yeah, and you forget that, you know, 138 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: you forget to switch your profile over, and so it 139 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: sounds were like a Reddit user name, it does. It 140 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: sounds like a great Reddit user name. And then uh, 141 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: you know, all the sudden things that should be said 142 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: by Paul are being said by apple bees facts and 143 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: vice versa. That's that's a much smaller level because Applebee's 144 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: facts and this is not a knock on Applebee's facts 145 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: at all. Usually doesn't deal with things like geo political 146 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 1: tensions in the Middle East yet not yet. I mean 147 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: those apps are coming, yeah, or you know, quid quid 148 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: pro quo, things having to do with the classification of emails. 149 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: Whenever I hear quip pro quote, I cannot help but 150 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: think of silence of the Lambs. Oh, really a little 151 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: quid pro quotel. What's her name? Which broke quoa claries? Yes? Uh, yeah, 152 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: did you know? Completely off topic, matt uh. The renowned 153 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: actor Anthony Hopkins, his character Hannibal Lecter that's not a spoiler, 154 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: is only actually on camera for like a ridiculously small 155 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: amount of time, like fifteen minutes or something. All told, Yeah, 156 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: and he won, didn't he win? Oscars glora that year 157 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: we in The Monster of the Zodiac Killer. We actually 158 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: mentioned that. That year that that movie came out. They 159 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: tailored the entire Oscar ceremony around his character essentially in 160 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: that movie. It's insane the US does glorify serial killers. Also, 161 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: I found another ancient serial killer. I think I'm building 162 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: a pretty good argument I'd like to pitch to you later. Well, 163 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: I'll do it. Now, why don't we do an episode 164 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: on serial killers before uh the eight hundreds or ancient 165 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: serial killers who have a treasure trove. Really a lot 166 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: that will be new to people. Yeah, documented serial killer. Yeah, Okay, 167 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: that sounds like a whole new podcast. We'll see, we'll see, 168 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: We'll give it a go. So before we explode the 169 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: lives of those ancient serial killers, let's continue exploring this 170 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: strange story of emails. Right now, we've outlined the the gist, right, 171 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: Bliss walk through a little bit more of it. So 172 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: shortly before she was sworn in as Secretary of State 173 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: in two thousand nine, Hillary Clinton had set up an 174 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: email server at her home in New York. This was 175 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: home to an email address h d R twenty two 176 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: at clinton email dot com, and this was for all 177 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: of her email correspondence work related personal stuff during her 178 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: four years in office. She also set up email addresses 179 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: on the server for her long time aid State Department 180 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: Chief of Staff one Cheryl Mills, as well HM abode 181 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 1: Huma abodeen Yes, yes was the long time made. She 182 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: did not use or even activate a state dot gov 183 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: email account, which which was a big deal. It would 184 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: have been hosted on servers owned and managed by the 185 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: US government. The reason that's an important detail. It is 186 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: not necessarily because people thought the Secretary of State was 187 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: a criminal or doing criminal acts. It's more for operational 188 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: security or ops seck, because other other countries, no matter 189 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: how friendly they are, would love to know what's going 190 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: on in the US when the doors to the halls 191 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: of power are closed. Oh of course. And if you're 192 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: perhaps someone like Hillary Rodham Clinton, and you stand out 193 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: that you know that much as a name, as a 194 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: powerful person within within the halls of that power, uh, 195 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: your private email server is a major target for anyone 196 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: and everyone who may be looking to find some information. Yeah. So, 197 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: so the FBI ends up getting involved a little later on, 198 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: and what they found was that over a hundred emails 199 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: containing some version of classified information were found on her 200 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: private servers. There were sixty five emails they were considered 201 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: a secret classified secret, twenty two were classified top secret. 202 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 1: And it doesn't get much more secret than that. Another 203 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: two thousand, two thousand and ninety three emails were not 204 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: initially classified, but then they were retro retroactively classified by 205 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: the State Department itself, kind of like upon further consideration. 206 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: This is sensitive information and it's important to know that 207 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: that is the State Department that is doing that. That 208 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 1: will come into play a little later. And there's a 209 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: side note. There are things above top secret, like compartmentalized 210 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: access your eyes only, yes, but but that as far 211 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: as we know, these emails just went up to top secret, 212 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: which is still a big deal. That shouldn't you know, 213 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: be sitting around on your your Yahoo account or something. 214 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: But you're absolutely right, So something is amiss here. It 215 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: doesn't matter where you fall politically. Various critics, including Republican 216 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: members of Congress, argued that using a private messaging system 217 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: and server violated State Department protocols, and furthermore, they said 218 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: this violates federal laws and regulations. The FBI is on 219 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: the case. As early as two thousand nine, officials with 220 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: the in a r A the National Archives and Records 221 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: Administration expressed concerns over these possible violations of the standard 222 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: operating procedure of record keeping at the State Department. December 223 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: of twenty twelve, near the end of Clinton's tenure Secretary 224 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: of State, a nonprofit group with a pretty neat name, 225 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington or crew. They 226 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: filed a Freedom of Information Act request to get the 227 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: records of the departing Secretary of States emails. They received 228 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: a response in May that said, no records responsive to 229 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: your request. We're located. That's government ease for four oh 230 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: four error nothing found. Yeah, and then you, um, you 231 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: gotta look at the certain emails that were sent to 232 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: that whole Clinton email dot com address, which is terrible 233 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: to read, by the way, because it looks like clintone mail. 234 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: It just doesn't look great. But they were discovered in 235 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: March when a hacker who called himself or herself whoever, 236 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: was goos Offer, and they distributed these emails that were 237 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: sent to Clinton from Sydney Bloomenthal and uh, this dude 238 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: Goosefer obtained them by illegally accessing Bloomenthall's email account. So 239 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: this hacker, essentially Goosef broke into Sydney Bluementhall's email found 240 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: all of these private Clinton emails. And Goosefer is a 241 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: portmanteau of Gucci and Lucifer, so it's Gucci for Gucci. 242 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: For excuse, I've always heard Goosever. Yeah, yeah, I just 243 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: I like the word play. Guys, criminal though in the 244 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: summer of lawyers from the State Department noticed several emails 245 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: from Clinton's personal account while reviewing documents requested by the 246 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: House Select Committee on Benghazi, which is a whole another 247 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: bag of badgers. And then, as we said earlier at 248 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: New York Times, piece comes out. It breaks the story 249 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: that the Benghazi panel had discovered Clinton exclusively used her 250 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: own private server rather than the government issued one, throughout 251 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: her time as s o S Secretary of State, and that, furthermore, 252 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: her aids took no action to preserve emails that she 253 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: sent or received from those personal accounts. The State Department 254 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: and the Intelligence Community Inspector General discovered four emails that 255 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: had classified information. And this was out of this was 256 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: a spot check. It was out of a random sample 257 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: of forty and when they saw that, they said, okay, 258 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: four out of forty, that's one out of ten. We 259 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: need to refer this to the FBI, their counter intelligence office. 260 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: And so they alerted the authorities that this classified intel 261 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 1: was kept on the Clinton server and by her lawyer 262 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: on a thumb drive. Interesting. Then The New York Times 263 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: runs a story on July with the headline criminal enquiry 264 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: sought in Clinton's use of email. Yeah, and the lead 265 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: sentence from that story was too Inspectors General have asked 266 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: the Justice Department to open a criminal investigation into whether 267 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: Hillary Rodham Clinton mishandled sensitive government information on a private 268 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: email account she used as Secretary of State. Senior government 269 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: officials said Thursday, so that's again, that's the New York Times. 270 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: You've got them citing senior government officials saying that Hillary 271 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: Clinton mishandled sensitive information on her private email. That's really 272 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: all you need to know. That's a big deal. Then, 273 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: of course you have all of these large U. S. 274 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: Organizations who you know, they jump on. They correct, they correct, 275 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: The New York Times stating that quote. An important distinction 276 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: is that the I C i G. The I C 277 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: I G did not make a criminal referral. It was 278 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: a security referral made for counterintelligence purposes. So to get 279 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: back through that government ease, what they are saying is 280 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: that we were not we were not giving an order 281 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 1: to book them Dano. We were saying this could be 282 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: leveraged by unfriendly foreign powers. And The Times made to 283 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: other corrections right. First, that Clinton was not the specific 284 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 1: target of the referral, and then that it was not 285 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: criminal in nature. But the funny thing is with redactions, corrections, 286 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: things like that, even in large papers of note, they 287 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: legally correct the record, but they do nothing for the 288 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: court of public opinion, you know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely, 289 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: you remember the first thing, especially the first headline. If 290 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: you see Clinton email scandal in a headline somewhere, or 291 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: Clinton email referral, or just some other combination in that 292 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: where you've got a person, a bad thing and an object. Um, 293 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: that's what you remember. It doesn't matter if a week later, 294 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: two days later, there's a correction on the original article, 295 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: even if they tweet out correction, this was not what 296 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: it was. Nobody gives a crap. Yeah. Typically, typically, and 297 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: that's not ading on anyone's intelligence. That's just the nature 298 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: of psychology for most people. So how did this initial investigation? 299 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 1: How did this all shake out? Will tell you after 300 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:54,360 Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor. Alright, we're back. So let's 301 00:19:54,440 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: jump to July five. There's this gentleman named Comy James Coomey. 302 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: He was the director of the FBI. You may remember 303 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: this name. I haven't said that name in a long time. 304 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: I used to say it a lot um, but he 305 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,239 Speaker 1: announced that the FBI completed its investigation, and uh, he 306 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: was gonna you know, they were going to talk to 307 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: the State Department with a certain recommendation, and that recommendation 308 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: was that no charges are appropriate in this case. That's 309 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: great news for the Clinton campaign and all of the supporters. 310 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: He went on to say that although there is evidence 311 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of 312 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would 313 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: bring such a case. Now in this uh, this initial 314 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: messaging that's coming from the FBI from Comey the director 315 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: again July, Yeah, exactly July. They just it seems like, hey, 316 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: this email thing happened. It's a little bit of carelessness. 317 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: But you know what, We're okay. Nobody did anything on 318 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: purpose to hurt anybody else. It was just they used 319 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: a private server. Slap the hand, let's move on, sloppy, 320 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: but not sinis the right. So but that changes the 321 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: thing is that changes the there's another there's another investigation. 322 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:15,959 Speaker 1: On October, Comy tells Congress that, in connection with an 323 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 1: unrelated case, the FBI has learned of the existence of 324 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: emails that appear pertinent to the investigation. Uh, we're going 325 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: through a lot of context here, so but we'll get through. 326 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: It will be worth it at the end. This unrelated 327 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: case to which they referred was the FBI investigation of 328 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: the famously and hilariously tragically named Anthony Weener from The 329 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: Daily Show. Famously famously from The Daily Show. This guy, uh, 330 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: despite you know, his name might make you think he 331 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: has a sense of humor, but he got busted sending 332 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: sexually explicit text to a child, a fifteen year old girl. 333 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,719 Speaker 1: The FBI discovered emails from his estranged wife, who was uh, 334 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: what was your name again? The aforementioned Huma Abodeen Huma Aberdeen, 335 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: the vice chair of the Clinton presidential campaign, and because 336 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: of this, they considered that these emails might be relevant 337 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: to the investigation. At the time, Comey said the FBI 338 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: would take appropriate investigative steps designed to allow investigators to 339 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: review these emails to determine whether they contain classified information 340 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: as well as to assess their importance to the investigation. Now, 341 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: anytime we talk about government procedure, I know it can 342 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 1: feel increasingly like a snooze fest. Acronyms and initialisms flying 343 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: Willy nilly. Everybody is talking like someone from the d 344 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: m V wrote their speech. Yeah, it's talking around things 345 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: a lot of the time, or of the procedures and 346 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: the procedural nature. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Well, and that's 347 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: there's a reason for that, right, because you want to 348 00:22:55,560 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: make sure you get every letter, every syllable. Perfect us 349 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: to jump in before we're going this such a good idea. 350 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: We were joking as we were going through the whom 351 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: Aberdeen stuff with Anthony Weener. Just let's just take a 352 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: moment to say, how discussing that is that he was 353 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: sending inappropriate pictures to a fifteen year old really awful. 354 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: We we we are not making light of that. It 355 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: kind of slid past us as we were joking through, right, Okay, 356 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: I think, okay, we can move on. So yeah, I 357 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: hope that was never a question for anybody. But yes, 358 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: just to be crystal clear bolded underline at stamp that 359 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: gross perfect. Okay. So on November sixteen, mere days before 360 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: the election, Comy sends letter to Congress and he says, look, 361 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: we worked around the clock and we're sticking with our 362 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: guns from July. Sorry everybody, this was careless, but we 363 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: do not believe it was a crime. Literally days before 364 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: the election, as you said. And furthermore, despite criticisms that 365 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: this was a superbly timed October surprise, one of those 366 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 1: last minute things that can happen that can swing the 367 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: needle toward one candidate or another, Comey claimed that both 368 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: the investigation and its conclusions were a political and nothing 369 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 1: to do do with politics. Were the FBI. We have a job. 370 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: We do our job. Their job is to try to 371 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: get elected. Our job is counterintelligence and fighting crime. And 372 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: we did it. No surprise spoiler alert for anyone who 373 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: hasn't caught up with the news sense. The Clinton campaign 374 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: was unsuccessful. Donald Trump became the President of the United States, 375 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: and people who opposed the Clinton campaign or thought there 376 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: was something um rotten in Washington were not persuaded by 377 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: the FBI's two investigations. They said, it was like it's 378 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: cover up. It's rotten from its fat cats at the 379 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: top all the way to fat cats. Given reports in Congress, 380 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: these cats are just obese, too many and too fat, 381 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 1: Too many and too fat, they said, yes, that's a quote. 382 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: It seemed that despite despite the FBI's claims that there 383 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: were there was nothing wonky about their timing. It seemed 384 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: that whomever had managed to orchestrate this story and narrative 385 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: of private versus government emails, who had managed to turn 386 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: it into a chant and a rallying point for oppositional media, 387 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,919 Speaker 1: had done this masterful job. Hillary Clinton herself cited this 388 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: as one of the factors in losing the election. I 389 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: would a thousand percent agree that this was a huge factor. 390 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: Is what everybody was talking about. I mean, it couldn't 391 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: have been the only factor, no, but it was still 392 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: the thing that if you thought about Hillary Clinton right 393 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: around that time, like Otober, late October, early November, it 394 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: was Clinton email. It was the you do you mean like? 395 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: It was the first key word that popped up in 396 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: everybody's mental Google. Yeah. Even if you were a supporter 397 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: or something, I guarantee you that was happening, Even if 398 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: it was like Clinton, oh gosh, emails, whatever. Well, the 399 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: calls for investigation into this matter did not cease. This 400 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: association was prominent in people's minds even after the election, 401 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: and furthermore, they they felt that justice had not been 402 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: done or something was a miss. And these calls for 403 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: investigation continued even as the Trump administration floundered several times, 404 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: both on the domestic and international stage. The White House 405 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: itself increasingly called for more investigation into the Clinton campaign's 406 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: classification of emails. They went so far as the fire 407 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: James Comby for this, and some other empired theim for 408 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: some other reasons which could be episodes all their own 409 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: one day. Today, this subject remains a rallying call for 410 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: some voters on the right. Foreign intelligence agencies who pretend 411 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: to be voters are also very ardent about this, and 412 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: politicians who will go on record today saying that they 413 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,639 Speaker 1: feel there was a cover up. Now, let's get to 414 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: the rumors, right, it's correct. Just like the ongoing arguments 415 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: about the release of the Mueller Report, the FBI's conclusion 416 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: on the Clinton emails left a lot of people feeling like, 417 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: this is not this is the this is the edited version, 418 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 1: the redacted version. I want the director's cut, I want 419 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: the theatrical production. Tell me what actually happened. Because for 420 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: supporters of the FBI's conclusions, again typically these would be 421 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: supporters of the Clinton campaign, this was all pr sound 422 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: and fake news, fury smoke, with no fire mirrors, with 423 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 1: no reflection. A man factored crisis that accomplished exactly what 424 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,440 Speaker 1: it was created to do to remove Clinton and therefore 425 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party from the election game. Yeah. But of course, 426 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: for for the people who are opponents of Hillary um 427 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: sometimes generally supporters of the Trump campaign in uh, people 428 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: thought that this story was itself swept under the rug 429 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: after she lost the election, like perhaps something else should 430 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: have happened. We you may remember chance from rallies that 431 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: you would see on television of lock her up because 432 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: because some people truly believed that there was such a 433 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: misshandling of this stuff that it was criminal. Um. You know, 434 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: whether they believed that because some pundit was talking about it, 435 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: or because you know, some news story came out that 436 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: was read incorrectly, who knows, but people certainly felt that way. 437 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: But they were and that's because they thought there was 438 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: even more to the story than what was being represented 439 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: by the FBI's conclusions within the report. They thought that 440 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: maybe it was a bigger cover up, cover up of 441 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: some bigger thing, of perhaps further corruption than just using 442 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: an email server. Perhaps there was something deeper, as in 443 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: a deep state within the US government that was operating 444 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: outside of the control of elected officials a shadow government. 445 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. First, let's define what a 446 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: shadow government actually is. It's not always bad. In the 447 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: world of British politics, there's the shadow cabinet. All that 448 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 1: is is a group of people from the opposition party 449 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: who form a different cabinet mirroring or wait for it, 450 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: shadowing the positions of each member of the real cabinet. 451 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: So there's a there's a person from the opposition side 452 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: who will scrutinize the policies and actions of their counterpart 453 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: in the real cabinet, and they will present alternatives. Vote 454 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: for us, they say, because this is what we would done. 455 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: I get it like a Theresa May. And then shadow 456 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: Tresa May with a mustache and like a black hat 457 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, exactly, So you've seen you've seen it. 458 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: I've seen it. So in this case people are talking 459 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 1: about the other, the other definition of a shadow government. 460 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: It's not near as neat nor as helpful as the 461 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: British shadow government. In the US, the term shadow government 462 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: refers to two or three things. The first one is 463 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 1: absolutely legal, we need it. It's the continuity of government, 464 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: the preplanned order of secession in the event of one 465 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: or more deaths in the executive branch and Congress. The 466 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: president dies, who's in charge now? Whence the vice president? 467 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: The vice president dies, Who's in charge now? And on 468 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: and on and on. Uh. And one of the one 469 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: of the most interesting questions to me when I was 470 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: when I was a kid, it was a very very 471 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: strange answer, you know. I asked that question, and children asked, uh, 472 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: do you think I could be president? And uh, family member, 473 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna reveal who, and their associates said, well, sure, 474 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: you might be president tomorrow. It depends on what happens tonight. 475 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: And that's how I learned about the line of succession. 476 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: Are you up there? Are you in there? Like thousands? 477 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: It would have to be like millions, hundreds of millions 478 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: of people would have to die. We got to change that. 479 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: We need to get you higher upon that little think. 480 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't think. I think so. I 481 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,959 Speaker 1: appreciate that, but I would nominate you instead. Uh, nope, 482 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: all right, Paul, Oh yeah, it's Faul. I see him. 483 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: He's nodding. He would take that on. He would take 484 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: that on. So that's that's the legal one. But then 485 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: there's what you mentioned earlier. Mat the deep state. This 486 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: is an entrenched, allegedly entrenched network of unelected bureaucrats. They're 487 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: thought to wield the purse strings, the influence and the 488 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: power needed to actually run the US and therefore a 489 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: lot of the world behind the scenes. So ha ha, 490 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: they say, you've been elected for what four years? Yeah, 491 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: you are the flicker in the eye of some of 492 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: these people. And there really are positions like that that 493 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: exist within Washington and the structure. It doesn't necessarily necessarily 494 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: mean that they're all working together for one big thing, 495 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: but they exist and they are arguably more powerful in 496 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: a way than anyone that holds any office for four years. 497 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: The president, even in any large organization in the U S. 498 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: Government is huge, most governments are. In any large organization, 499 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: we see that communication tends to break down and people 500 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: become gatekeepers of information. They run their own fiefdoms. Uh So, 501 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: the third, just for the sake of argument, that the 502 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: third possibility is the massive amount of private influence wielded 503 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 1: by billionaires or other governments or foreign businesses that want 504 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: to push their interests domestically, and a broad you know, 505 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: like a foreign trade consortium puts in hundreds of millions 506 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: of dollars two towards US lobbying to get more favorable 507 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: trade arrangements. Right, let's let's kick off the tariffs on 508 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: these plush Garfield coozies that are that we're pushing. I 509 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: don't know why. Look that's not my best example, but 510 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. An example. Another example 511 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: of this on the domestic end would be the Koch brothers, 512 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: who have for decades been making in roads to push 513 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: the US more towards the kind of governance that they 514 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: would like to see, which is alternately described as more 515 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: libertarian government and neo feudalism. Yeah, the money, we're really 516 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: we're talking about the power if you're talking about the 517 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,320 Speaker 1: entrenched deep state, and then with these private influencers, we're 518 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: really talking about the money right right, And these things 519 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: can all happen concurrently. That's the messed up part. It 520 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: gets complicated. But usually when you hear about a shadow 521 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: government here in the States, it will come from It 522 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 1: will often come from the political rights. It used to be. 523 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: It used to be in times past, a phrase used 524 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: by the far far left and the far far right, 525 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: who often agree on things, and more so than perhaps 526 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 1: the media would have you believe. Right, But this argument 527 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: always hinges on that notion of the deep state for 528 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: people who believe in this kind of shadow government. The 529 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: Seventh Floor Group was proof positive that something was wrong 530 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 1: in the Beltway. And what the heck is the seventh 531 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: Floor Group. Well, we'll talk about it right after a 532 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor. So the Seventh Floor Group or 533 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: the shadow government, and we promised that the same else 534 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: stuff would pay off. Yeah, and the third the last, 535 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: But a lot of the stuff we've been talking about, 536 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 1: really you have to remember that and know that stuff 537 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: before we get here. Yes, a bit of a secuitous route, 538 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: but we went the most direct way possible. So we 539 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 1: mentioned that the FBI investigation, both of them found what 540 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: they saw is no evidence of crime, right, And a 541 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: lot of people really took that on the chin because 542 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: they were certain that this would be hard evidence, smoking 543 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: gun of a crime. However, they did find some stuff 544 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: because they dug deep. In October, the FBI released four 545 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: sets of documents, including notes and interview summaries, and in 546 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: this summary, in the fourth part of the release, they 547 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: found a revelation. Okay, so just to said this up 548 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,720 Speaker 1: so you understand what it is through the FBI's vault. 549 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: The vault, UH, that's you can find these things. However, 550 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: they've been removed. These these specific ones relating to the 551 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton campaign have been removed from the vault the 552 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: FBI's website. But if you go to the archive dot 553 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: org way back machine and you put in the u 554 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: r L, you can find this. It's difficult to find. 555 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: There a couple of plays. You can get to it, 556 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: but it's called Hillary Are Clinton? Part four of six, 557 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: that's what it's called. You can find it. And essentially 558 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: these are just as Ben said, UH, summations of interviews 559 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: that they that they had with people, just individuals regarding 560 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: the Hillary Clinton email campaign scandal or whatever it was, 561 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: talking about the private servers, what they knew, when they 562 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,920 Speaker 1: knew it, and all of that. And inside here you 563 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: find one specific or there are several specific things. But 564 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: in one of these, one of the documents came from 565 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: an interview with an unidentified person who suggested that the 566 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: f o I A the Freedom of Information Act requests 567 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: related to a Clinton to Clinton, anything related to Clinton 568 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,720 Speaker 1: went through a group that was some kind sometimes referred 569 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: to at least internally as the Shadow Government, as literally 570 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: the shadow government. So you know, first of all, we 571 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: have to say maybe this was maybe that's kind of 572 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 1: an inside joke, right maybe, but but let's keep listening 573 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: in here, because according to this anonymous person quote, there 574 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: was a powerful group of very high ranking State and 575 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,960 Speaker 1: that State Department officials that some referred to as the 576 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: Seventh Floor Group or the shadow Government, met every Wednesday 577 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: afternoon to discuss the Freedom of Information Act process with 578 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 1: regards to Clinton. We're talking congressional records and everything related 579 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,200 Speaker 1: to Clinton and freedom of Information Act and congressional inquiries. 580 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: So this group, literally they were the gatekeepers for everything 581 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:57,399 Speaker 1: Clinton related, and they were a they were a powerful filter. Right, yes, 582 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: So this, oddly enough, it sounds pretty crazy. Oddly enough, 583 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,320 Speaker 1: this was not a primary focus of mainstream media coverage. 584 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 1: It did receive mention across the board, and those opposed 585 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: to the Clinton campaign quickly took this and ran with it. 586 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't you can't blame those people, because 587 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,840 Speaker 1: if you if you object to a politician or a group, 588 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: what a what a gift to have this, to have 589 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: somebody and they're foolish enough to call themselves the shadow government. 590 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: My very own state Department Shadow Government. That's like like 591 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,279 Speaker 1: I I don't care who you are in politics or 592 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,759 Speaker 1: who you wish to be. That's up there with opening 593 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 1: a golf club called Illuminati only you know what I mean. 594 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: Even if you say it's a joke, no, not everyone 595 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: is going to be on board. So here's what we know. 596 00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: According to the FBI submarine, Again, these are not actual transcripts. 597 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 1: The group argued for a Clinton document release to be 598 00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:00,799 Speaker 1: conducted all at once for what they called coordination purposes 599 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,760 Speaker 1: instead of on a rolling basis, and that would normally 600 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: be the case. That again, to your point, Matt, sounds 601 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: like more procedural than than a super big deal. UH. 602 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: Spokesperson for the State Department said, we categorically deny this claim, 603 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 1: these related claims that there's a big one coming up. 604 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: UH And they said these allegations are inaccurate, they don't 605 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,759 Speaker 1: align with the facts. To be clear, the State Department 606 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,280 Speaker 1: did upgrade the document at the request of the FBI 607 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: when we were released it. He's speaking of a specific document, 608 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: will get to but let's look at the players. So 609 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: the seventh Floor group was believed to meet on Wednesdays 610 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: on the seventh floor right of their building, and the 611 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: meetings were attended by some real internal power players, Under 612 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,839 Speaker 1: Secretary of State Patrick Kennedy, uh Secretary of State at 613 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,440 Speaker 1: that point, John Kerry, Deputy Chief of Staff Jennifer Stout, 614 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: Deputy Secretary of State for Management Resources, Assistant Secretary Julia Frifield, 615 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,360 Speaker 1: and unnamed members of the Office of the Legal Advisor. Notice. 616 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 1: Notice how the lawyers got away? Uh so yeah, yeah, yeah, 617 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: and just it's a bunch of attorneys. Yeah, which, you know, 618 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: if we were going to be wildly speculative, can't you 619 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: can't you easily imagine someone saying, I'll tell you about 620 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: the seventh Floor, but I want full immunity, you know 621 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, I can actually see that very much. So, well, 622 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: is it a big deal? What? What? What's the big 623 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 1: deal here? The big deal here is apparently that the 624 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,240 Speaker 1: shadow government or the Seventh Floor group asked the FBI 625 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: to declassify some emails so they wouldn't be thought of 626 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: as security leaks. And the smoking gun for for people 627 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 1: who believe that this was sinister was the alleged action 628 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,840 Speaker 1: of Under Secretary of State Patrick Kennedy. According to the 629 00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,439 Speaker 1: claims in the interview, he contacted the FBI to ask 630 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: for the change and classification in exchange for quid pro quote. 631 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,839 Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? An old quid pro quote? Claris? Uh, 632 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,880 Speaker 1: And again, this this guy is important. He's also a Kennedy. 633 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 1: Do we know if he's a Kennedy Kennedy, Patrick Kennedy, 634 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: I honestly don't know who cares. Check this out. So 635 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,319 Speaker 1: if he co probably cares, he probably cares. Okay. So 636 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: on page four of that FBI vault document that you 637 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 1: can find on the web dot archive dot org, it 638 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: says that there was this big meeting they're talking about 639 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: with the State Department with They called it an all 640 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,399 Speaker 1: agency meeting, and uh, this person, Patrick Kennedy, that we're 641 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: speaking about, he presided over the meeting, and during the conversation, 642 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: one of the people specifically asked whether any member of 643 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: the emails in question were classified. Making eye contact with redacted, 644 00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 1: Kennedy remarked, well, we'll see. And this is apparently while 645 00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,879 Speaker 1: he was making again making eye contact with somebody as 646 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: in like, hey, maybe we'll find out what's going on. 647 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,880 Speaker 1: And then he went on to discuss essentially a quid 648 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: pro quot about perhaps putting FBI agents in countries where 649 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,959 Speaker 1: FBI agents are generally not allowed to be. Like, maybe 650 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,959 Speaker 1: if you can change the classification, we'll do something for you, 651 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,840 Speaker 1: something beyond what anyone would imagine it would be possible. 652 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: Scratch at back, scratch your back, and yeah, we'll get 653 00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: We'll get FBI agents in this country where they're not 654 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,879 Speaker 1: supposed to be. That's a huge deal. Yeah. Yeah, So 655 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: the FBI. The FBI said, okay, well, happened was that 656 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,319 Speaker 1: you know, what had happened was that the FBI determined 657 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: that there was an email. Senior State Department official requested 658 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: the FBI to quote, re review this and look at 659 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: it again. Just make sure that you know, do your job, 660 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: do it again? Is it classified? Are you sure? Yeah? 661 00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,440 Speaker 1: But you'd have to look at it again to be sure. Right. 662 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: That's basically we went down. And then they say that 663 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: an FBI official who was not part of the later 664 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,440 Speaker 1: Clinton investigation, told the State's department the guy at the 665 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 1: States Department, well, you know now that you mentioned it, uh, 666 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,880 Speaker 1: I guess I could look at it again. Um, you 667 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:30,359 Speaker 1: know would really help me look at it if if 668 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: if we could maybe also address just while I've got 669 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: you on the line here, while I got you on 670 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 1: the line here, pat, if we could also address our 671 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 1: risk that request they keep putting in for space for 672 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,359 Speaker 1: additional FBI employees assigned abroad, because you know, I've sent 673 00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: you several emails and tried to call them multiple times, 674 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: and now you answer the phone. Well, you know what, 675 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: I think maybe we can take care of it if 676 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 1: some of those emails, you know, ended up being unclassified, right, 677 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: that sounds like a pretty good deal to me, sort 678 00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: of a cool pro quo. I'm hanging up, No, you 679 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 1: hang up? Are you? Are you still there? Going to 680 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:19,280 Speaker 1: hang up? That's how That's how they had this conversation. Surely, 681 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,799 Speaker 1: oh man, And they were both recording the whole time, 682 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,879 Speaker 1: and they were both recording the whole time. We're being 683 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,040 Speaker 1: a little bit lip, but you can see it's it's 684 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 1: somewhat the FBI is making valid distinctions, right, But of 685 00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:38,240 Speaker 1: course people would deny this kind of one hand washes 686 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: the other sort of stuff. So following this call, the 687 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,799 Speaker 1: FBI officials, now retired, got with a senior FBI executive 688 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:53,319 Speaker 1: who was responsible for determining classification, and they decided that 689 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: it was in fact classified secret the way it was 690 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,319 Speaker 1: supposed to be So FBI guy goes back to the 691 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: State Department contact he has and he says, look, it's classified. 692 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,480 Speaker 1: We looked at it twice and it's supposed to stay secret, 693 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,600 Speaker 1: and we can't change it. And it wasn't changed. It 694 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,879 Speaker 1: remains classified today, the FBI concludes, and you can see 695 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 1: this on their own website. Although there was never a 696 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 1: quid pro quo, these allegations were nonetheless referred to the 697 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: appropriate officials for review. So they said, look, we know 698 00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 1: nothing went down, but just to keep our nose clean, 699 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: we asked some other people to look at it, because 700 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: with the FBI were a political We do our job, 701 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: they do their job. Yeah, And to be fair, there 702 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,560 Speaker 1: was no quid pro quo in this instance of these 703 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,799 Speaker 1: you know exchanges that we that became public. Being very 704 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,120 Speaker 1: careful of that, Matt imired, right, but no, but come on, 705 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: that's that's all we've proven, right, at least that's all 706 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 1: the FBI says. Right. There are other alleged activities, other allegations. 707 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 1: This same group, the Seventh Floor Group or quote unquote 708 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 1: shadow government, has been accused of censoring official reports, of 709 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:10,040 Speaker 1: interfering with special investigations, of providing diplomatic security or protection 710 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 1: for certain individuals, shielding them from criminal charges, and a 711 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,160 Speaker 1: lot of this, a lot of that stuff. Once you 712 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: get into the providing protection and diplomatic security and stuff 713 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,719 Speaker 1: for controversial people, often those are going to come from 714 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:31,040 Speaker 1: biased sources. You see the Washington Examiner. Examiner if you wish, 715 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,360 Speaker 1: you can find something on that. And if you search 716 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: for Hillary's officials cut criticisms out of State Department reports, 717 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,960 Speaker 1: you will find it and you can read all about it. 718 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: You can also while you're reading those reports, you can 719 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,160 Speaker 1: go back to what we have kept going back to, 720 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,240 Speaker 1: which is the FBI confirming at least maybe not saying 721 00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,880 Speaker 1: that they believe this exists, but confirming that they spoke 722 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,799 Speaker 1: with people who did think it, who casually mentioned that 723 00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 1: it's the seventh Floor group. Oh, it's the shadow government. 724 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 1: It's fine, it's fine. What is he irish? Now? I 725 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,920 Speaker 1: don't know what happened. That's what they're talking about. So 726 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,200 Speaker 1: this is this is not quite where it ends. But 727 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:22,000 Speaker 1: we do have some conclusions. First, Goosifer, are you speaking 728 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 1: directly to Goosfer Guci for uh, maybe maybe if you 729 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,920 Speaker 1: tune into the podcast, you'd love to hear from you. 730 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: According to New York Time. The hacker who used this 731 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 1: name Gucci for Uh coined the coined the moniker to 732 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,400 Speaker 1: combine the style of Gucci in the light of Lucifer. 733 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 1: He turned out to be a guy named marcel lejal 734 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: Lazar Uh, forty three year old former taxi driver, is 735 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 1: at the time unemployed. He did not have expertise in computers. 736 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: He didn't have any fancy equipment or tech. He just 737 00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:58,560 Speaker 1: had an old Samsung cell phone and an NBC desktop 738 00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 1: and all the skills he used in hacking. According to 739 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,879 Speaker 1: the official reports, he picked up on the web. So 740 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: he was not, as far as we know, some high 741 00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:14,560 Speaker 1: level secret state actor. Yeah, according to the official sources. 742 00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,600 Speaker 1: Well he's not a bot net king or whatever. But 743 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 1: most of the emails providing the impetus for that second 744 00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,880 Speaker 1: investigation turned out to be duplicates of stuff they found 745 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,719 Speaker 1: the first time around, So in that second investigation there 746 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,560 Speaker 1: wasn't apparently that much new stuff. And that lends a 747 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,919 Speaker 1: little bit of credence to that October surprise theory, because again, 748 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,880 Speaker 1: the timing, you couldn't have planned it better, right, But 749 00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,520 Speaker 1: the group appears to have been disbanded by Donald Trump's 750 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 1: administration the symfamous seventh Floor Shadow Government group. On February seventeen, 751 00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: CPS reported that much of the seventh Floor staff who 752 00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,520 Speaker 1: worked for the Deputy Secretary of State for Management and 753 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:59,320 Speaker 1: Resources these titles Man and the Counselor offices were told 754 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,560 Speaker 1: today that their services were no longer needed. So you 755 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,600 Speaker 1: could read it in other articles of the time where 756 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 1: the headlines something like Rex Tillerson kicks out seventh Floor 757 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,479 Speaker 1: group or fires a bunch of diplomats, and the State 758 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,000 Speaker 1: Department did encounter a purge at that time. Yeah, but 759 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,839 Speaker 1: who knows if they're the the seventh floor group, right, 760 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,200 Speaker 1: or we'd maybe the people just met up on the 761 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,200 Speaker 1: seventh floor. Maybe they lived on the fourth floor. Right. 762 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:32,120 Speaker 1: It's weird because some of us listening are convinced there's 763 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,160 Speaker 1: much more to the stories. Some of us listening are 764 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:41,600 Speaker 1: convinced it's um, it's it's just media theater solely meant 765 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 1: to discredit someone. Right. It was a very divisive issue then, 766 00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,920 Speaker 1: and to a degree, it's still a divisive issue today. 767 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: But oddly enough, several of the original media reports have 768 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:59,240 Speaker 1: been deleted. The FBI vault files literally don't exist unless 769 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,319 Speaker 1: you go to the way by machine, right, but not 770 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,640 Speaker 1: to be too much of a devil's advocate. But couldn't 771 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,040 Speaker 1: the FBI clean out the way back machine if they 772 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:15,759 Speaker 1: wanted to? Maybe, I don't know if the n s 773 00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,560 Speaker 1: A could do it, probably because Gucci could do Uh. 774 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,760 Speaker 1: The Wikipedia page was also scrubbed. If you go into 775 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,000 Speaker 1: the talk, there's a really interesting thing about Wikipedia, uh, 776 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,759 Speaker 1: which is maybe not so much the articles themselves. But 777 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,440 Speaker 1: if you look at Wikipedia, you're gonna see two taps. 778 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,400 Speaker 1: We'll see a tab at the top left with the article, 779 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,560 Speaker 1: and a tab just to the right of that called 780 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:44,080 Speaker 1: talk right. And talk is where the editors of Wikipedia 781 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:48,040 Speaker 1: and the contributors of Wikipedia argue about whether or not 782 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,840 Speaker 1: something should be an article, or something should be included 783 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:57,800 Speaker 1: in that article. Wikipedia is a world at war because 784 00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:07,680 Speaker 1: numerous numerous debates, uh, geopolitical sandwiches, uh, you know, tragedies, 785 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:13,719 Speaker 1: all sorts of things are currently being furiously edited by 786 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,800 Speaker 1: one person or another with differing views. In the case 787 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,240 Speaker 1: of the Wikipedia page, from what we found, the reason 788 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,520 Speaker 1: given for its deletion was that there were not multiple 789 00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:30,000 Speaker 1: primary sources. So they said, all right, you need you 790 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,600 Speaker 1: need more than one source for this to even be 791 00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,600 Speaker 1: entertained as the truth, but you can still find it 792 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,560 Speaker 1: in Matt Frederick's Trust the Wayback Machine. I think that's 793 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,120 Speaker 1: a great T shirt idea. By the way, it's not mine, 794 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,879 Speaker 1: it's archived at ORC. That's true. That's true. Uh So, 795 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,760 Speaker 1: the FBI does appear to confirm the existence of this group, 796 00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,480 Speaker 1: while not confirming that they cooperated with them. There is 797 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,520 Speaker 1: a there was a real shadow government, or at least 798 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,000 Speaker 1: a real group referred to is the shadow government, and 799 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,880 Speaker 1: they apparently no longer work for the State Department. But 800 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,040 Speaker 1: it leads us to the end of today's episode and 801 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:14,239 Speaker 1: a question, a disturbing question. Even if this wasn't that 802 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,240 Speaker 1: big of a deal, there's still a group of people 803 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,000 Speaker 1: that were not elected officials that were handing the hanging 804 00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,640 Speaker 1: out in you know, someplace, making decisions about what you 805 00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,680 Speaker 1: and I and everyone listening as the public get to 806 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,719 Speaker 1: hear or know about an elected official. How many other 807 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,680 Speaker 1: groups like that exists that are gatekeepers of information for 808 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:43,040 Speaker 1: the public, that are maybe making bigger decisions even than that, 809 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:50,560 Speaker 1: about geopolitics, about foods we eat, about the types of 810 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,879 Speaker 1: polyester mixed clothing we get to wear, how much your 811 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,520 Speaker 1: dollar is worth? Oh, that's a big one. That's more 812 00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,960 Speaker 1: important than the type of clothing we get to wear. 813 00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, these all seem pretty important, right, Thank 814 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,880 Speaker 1: you so much for checking out this episode. Uh, we 815 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,560 Speaker 1: we know this would be a little divisive for people 816 00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,759 Speaker 1: who have really dug deep into this. We did give 817 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,359 Speaker 1: a high level look because we wanted to provide enough 818 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,640 Speaker 1: of a view of the forest for us to understand 819 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,760 Speaker 1: what the seventh floor group is or why it matters. Again, 820 00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,720 Speaker 1: why would you why would you call yourself the shadow 821 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,560 Speaker 1: government just even for funzies. I don't know that seems 822 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,279 Speaker 1: that seems a little dangerou. I mean, I guess we 823 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,680 Speaker 1: could do it, but everybody would probably know that we're 824 00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:46,760 Speaker 1: not We're not making moves as representatives of Uncle Sam 825 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 1: or a foreign power exactly. And I would say, if 826 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,680 Speaker 1: you want to keep going down this rabbit hole, a 827 00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,920 Speaker 1: great and exciting fun thing to do is to go 828 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,600 Speaker 1: to the Wikipedia page for the Hillary Clinton email controversy 829 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,400 Speaker 1: and then go all the way down to the bottom 830 00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,120 Speaker 1: and just you know, after looking at the talk thing 831 00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:04,640 Speaker 1: and all the other stuff, go all the way down 832 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,880 Speaker 1: the bottom and start clicking through sources down there, because 833 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:12,759 Speaker 1: it's crazy, just the amount of media that was generated 834 00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,400 Speaker 1: through this scandal, the amount of sourcing that exists on 835 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,960 Speaker 1: that one wiki page. Um, it's an intense slog. 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