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Speaker 1: coming out of the combine, in part because of Kenneth

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Speaker 1: Murray's story and how he just I feel like one

425
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Speaker 1: people over uh in part with that story, um that

426
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Speaker 1: I'm like, is this guy even gonna be there? Is

427
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Speaker 1: he is? I'm I'm nervous that he's not going to

428
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Speaker 1: be an option. Um, and that Queen might not be

429
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Speaker 1: there either. Um, but it seems like in the latest round, uh,

430
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Speaker 1: that there might be one of those two guys there

431
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Speaker 1: and maybe then you just sit, you know Sam Sam

432
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Speaker 1: pad number twenty eight and you take either one of

433
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Speaker 1: those because I think either of them are gonna be

434
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Speaker 1: a great like a plug and plate so any line backer. Um.

435
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Speaker 1: So like, I don't think there's really like a huge negative.

436
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Speaker 1: But I just explained why I leaned slightly slightly towards Queen.

437
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Speaker 1: Still got time though, you know, maybe or maybe maybe

438
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Speaker 1: this is all just to throw you off the scent

439
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Speaker 1: and then you end up on Queen and then I

440
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Speaker 1: end up taking Murray in my mock draft. There's there's

441
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Speaker 1: gamesmanship that goes on here. Well you know, I'm a

442
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Speaker 1: classic tinker, so so to say I've locked in on

443
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Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray would be overestimation in there. Uh, So they

444
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Speaker 1: could still be a little tinkering. I tink I tinker

445
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Speaker 1: my way out of a fantasy football championship this past year.

446
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Speaker 1: So I'm known for doing that. What year was it

447
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Speaker 1: where you we we did? It? Was last year we

448
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Speaker 1: did the podcast, you took a guy on the podcast,

449
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Speaker 1: and then we did your written version of the mock

450
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Speaker 1: tra I think that y hayden Hurst here. I took

451
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Speaker 1: hayden Hurst and the written but not in the pod version.

452
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Speaker 1: But we all know the written is the final work.

453
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Speaker 1: That's the official. Last year was I told Georganses that

454
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Speaker 1: we were going to draft Markus Brown, but you and

455
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Speaker 1: I both thought we liked a J. Brown. Um, you know,

456
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Speaker 1: so both of us turned not being right. Right. So

457
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Speaker 1: just on the draft before we wrap up today. Um,

458
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting the draft. Uh. There's reports that

459
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Speaker 1: the NFL cent a memo to all teams saying that

460
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Speaker 1: the drafts is staying on the dates that it's been

461
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Speaker 1: scheduled to because there was talk of could it be

462
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Speaker 1: moved and all that. Um, so that the draft will

463
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Speaker 1: be the same time. And when we talked with ta

464
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Speaker 1: Costa earlier this week, something we didn't really dissect afterwards

465
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Speaker 1: is him talking about how this draft is gonna be

466
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Speaker 1: different and that he's gonna have to be more hands on.

467
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Speaker 1: Like just to explain to listeners, the draft meetings are

468
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Speaker 1: like a ten day period after pro days, um, which

469
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Speaker 1: the pro days will be going on right now, or

470
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Speaker 1: maybe they'd kind of be wrapping up right now, So

471
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Speaker 1: then right about now you would get all these scouts

472
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Speaker 1: back in the building. Maybe next week, um, you get

473
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Speaker 1: all the scouts back in the building, and then for

474
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Speaker 1: like a week to ten days they really finalized the board.

475
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Speaker 1: They hammer it out, and that's when you have the

476
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Speaker 1: you know, the proverbial stand on the table. Uh, guys

477
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Speaker 1: really advocate for certain players. It gets a little bit heated.

478
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Speaker 1: You'll like see these guys at lunch come out of

479
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Speaker 1: the draft meetings and they're like worn down, you know,

480
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Speaker 1: if it's been battling each other for for the last

481
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Speaker 1: three hours. They set like massive things or coffee right

482
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Speaker 1: outside of the room to keep everyone charged up throughout

483
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Speaker 1: the process. But but that's not gonna happen. I mean,

484
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Speaker 1: they might be doing it. I'm sure they're gonna they're

485
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Speaker 1: still gonna do it. They're probably gonna're gonna they're gonna

486
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Speaker 1: do it through zoom or whatever video conference you know

487
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Speaker 1: they want to use. But it is just going to

488
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Speaker 1: be different and the process looks different. And I found

489
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Speaker 1: it really interesting that Da Costa said he's probably gonna

490
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Speaker 1: have to be a little bit more hands on this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder there even they'll find a way

492
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Speaker 1: to get everybody's voice still included. But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's just such a it's Yeah, it's just so hard

494
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Speaker 1: to have those same discussions. I mean, I I say,

495
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Speaker 1: as far as their technology has come, I still get

496
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Speaker 1: choppy video. I still hate to FaceTime and stuff. Have

497
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: you been experiencing that with this whole thing? It still sucks? Right, Yeah,

498
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: it's not the same. It's not the same. I feel

499
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Speaker 1: like I'm shouting at people all the time whenever I'm

500
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Speaker 1: on FaceTime. I did, Yeah I did. I did his

501
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: doom chat with some friends the other day and and

502
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: my wife was like what. I was like, I had

503
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Speaker 1: to leave the room because you were just yelling for

504
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Speaker 1: an hour. Exactly. As far as we've come from tech,

505
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: from a technology standpoint, we still can't get this right.

506
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Speaker 1: So I just like, like, how is that conversation gonna happen? Um?

507
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: With that many people in the room. I mean the

508
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Speaker 1: Ravens and Eric to Cosa and Ozzy was before him,

509
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: extremely inclusive. I want to hear from everybody. Um. I

510
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: just wonder if at some point it becomes a smaller

511
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Speaker 1: group and and they kind of hammer out the last details. Uh.

512
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Speaker 1: It's this thing is gonna have wide reaching uh effects,

513
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 1: and it'll it'll be like you were talking about yesterday.

514
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: Can you suss out which guys can make more of

515
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: an impact with that as much coaching nearly on, you

516
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: know who's more polished versus raw? You know, if you

517
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Speaker 1: need that player to step up after the rookie especially, Um,

518
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: it'll be very interesting. I did have some thoughts last night. Um,

519
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Speaker 1: by the way, this a little bit off well, just

520
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Speaker 1: real quickly, just real quick on that. Yeah. The other

521
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Speaker 1: part of it, it's important during the pre draft process

522
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Speaker 1: is guys coming into the building and sitting down with

523
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Speaker 1: coaches and like like I'm literally getting a feel for

524
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Speaker 1: somebody you and and like I remember two years ago

525
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Speaker 1: when we're sitting there at the cafeteria, Lamar Jackson's in

526
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: there and we're like, whoa, Okay, this is quite interesting

527
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 1: and it's one of those ones where you keep it

528
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Speaker 1: in lunch and don't look over because you don't want

529
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: people to see you looking at that, you know, and

530
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: being like like you're taking mental notes, right, I'm like,

531
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 1: just like, I'm just eating my massed potatoes here or nothing. No,

532
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: not trying to not listen to anything. But but like,

533
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Speaker 1: I'd be curious if if this was going on two

534
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Speaker 1: years ago, do we end up taking Lamar Jackson, Because

535
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Speaker 1: I think that when they brought him into the building

536
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Speaker 1: and you talk to him, and if they got a

537
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Speaker 1: feel for how amazing of a guy he is off

538
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: the field, that that was part of the of the

539
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: rationale and saying, you know what, this is a guy

540
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 1: we can get behind and he can be our new

541
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. Like I think that was a factor, not

542
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: the only factor, but a factory. I'd be interested to

543
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: hear whether they would have taken Lamar Jackson you know,

544
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: in the way in the way that they did, if

545
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: they had never brought him in anyway. I don't know,

546
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: I'd be interested in that. I know I would be.

547
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,239
Speaker 1: I would be interested. I mean I think probably now

548
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: the answer would be, of course it would be, but

549
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 1: I don't know. But uh, but two years ago, if

550
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Speaker 1: you just don't have a chance to sit down with

551
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,719
Speaker 1: a guy, and and then if there's if you have

552
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: a player who you're interested in has some off the

553
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: field concerns, whatever they are, that's a big thing that

554
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: you address during this process, and you say, what, you know,

555
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: what's the story here, and you can feel for a guy, Well,

556
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: you have to think that maybe maybe the teams just

557
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: have to submit their list of official visits to the

558
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: NFL and you do them digitally. Yeah, I mean, I'm

559
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: sure that's what's happening. I'm guessing that's what's happening. Yeah,

560
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: But it just it is like we're saying it's just

561
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 1: gonna be different, and I'm curious what kind of effect

562
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: that has on things, and we probably honestly won't even

563
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: know until until you're looking back on it. It's like

564
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: after the draft and then they say, you know that

565
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 1: we did this differently this time, and it ended up

566
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: here was the result. So yeah, Oh, so the thing

567
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: I was going to tell you about, um was I

568
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: figured out the type of wide receiver we're gonna take.

569
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: I figured it out. I already know, but go ahead

570
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: that you've just realized it. But I'm curious. I think

571
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: that there's a better chance of it being some really

572
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: good slot kind of guy like dynamic yards after catch,

573
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: can make some plays through contact, but he's he's going

574
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: to bring a difference to the slot. Got some major speed,

575
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: like my guy Jalen Reagor. Yeah, like my guy like

576
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: Jalen Reagor, kJ Handler, Brandon, you all those guys. I

577
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: think Nault fits that mold of Viscachnal. Now he's a

578
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: little bit more outside, but I mean he definitely dangerous

579
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Speaker 1: in the slot. I think those guys, I think I

580
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: might take Rigor and the take that's my guy. I

581
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: just yeah, I just might take you know what. Right now,

582
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call Laviska Ragor and him. Those are all

583
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Speaker 1: off the board for you. The other one who I

584
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: said at the combine who could be interesting is Lynn Bowden.

585
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: It was a receiver in Kentucky and then he played

586
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: quarterback last year because it was like the old high

587
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: school method where the guys get hurt and they're just

588
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: like put the best athlete on the field of quarterback

589
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: and watch him run around and see if you can

590
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: make plays. Uh. He led the team in receiving and

591
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: rushing yards last year. Um. Just like a dynamic player

592
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: when he gets the ball in his hands and you

593
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: can do creative things with him. So he is another.

594
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Speaker 1: But Raagor Is is one that I've been thinking about,

595
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Speaker 1: uh since the combine and Jeremiah brought him up to me. UM,

596
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Speaker 1: So I feel like he's a really he'd be that

597
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: second round range, you know, one of the second round picks.

598
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: Maybe take that pick you got for Hayton Hurst and

599
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: you take Gregor. I still, you know we did this, um,

600
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Speaker 1: not that the Eric the coss is gonna make his

601
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: decision and who we draft based on, um, what played

602
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: what Hollywood Brown says. But Hollywood was doing a live

603
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: stream of fans yesterday playing Madden against fans on you

604
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: can watch. It was great. It was fun. But you

605
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: can go back and watch on our YouTube channel little

606
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: plug there if you want. But anyway, a bunch of

607
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: the comments on there, we're asking him about whether we

608
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Speaker 1: should draft C and he was like draft C, Like, yes,

609
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Speaker 1: I would love it. I'd be incredible. I still would

610
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Speaker 1: love to find a way to make that happen. I

611
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: just want him to fall, come on down to like

612
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Speaker 1: twenty and then let's go up to get him. That's

613
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Speaker 1: my Yeah, that's not gonna happen. That's a dream. Are

614
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Speaker 1: you Were you ever a Madden guy? I was? Yeah,

615
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Speaker 1: I played Madden. I also played the n C double A.

616
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Speaker 1: Really like the NCLE because I was a college football fan.

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Speaker 1: I think it kind of depends if you're like a

618
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Speaker 1: college football fan or a pro football fan. So I

619
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Speaker 1: was a big n C double A guy. Yeah. I

620
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: was a big, big man guy high school, early college.

621
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Speaker 1: I used to hit Todd Heap on the ten yard

622
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Speaker 1: out like it was nobody's business. It was just it

623
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Speaker 1: was I was like Kyle Bowler throwing the Todd heat Man.

624
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Speaker 1: It was just money in the bank. I guess other

625
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: guys other than Kyle Bowler as well. Yeah, Wayne, that's all.

626
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: That might have been the quarterback he was playing it

627
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Speaker 1: at that time. I think it was when when we

628
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Speaker 1: reached the point of the podcast when you're talking about

629
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Speaker 1: your glory days on Madden, that's when when we know

630
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Speaker 1: its signed to wrap up. Time to wrap it up anyway,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. We'll be back with you on Monday.

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Speaker 1: As always, you could read just at the lounge at

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Speaker 1: Ravens dot NFL dot net. You can read just on

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Speaker 1: any questions there or comments or whatever. Uh. We love

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Speaker 1: you all for listening, Stay safe, stay indoors, and we'll

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Speaker 1: be back with you on Monday,