Speaker 1: And I invited you here. I thought I made myself
Speaker 1: perfectly clear. When you're a guest to my home, you
Speaker 1: gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guests,
Speaker 1: your presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff,
Speaker 1: So how do you dare to surbey me?
Speaker 2: Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Pritchard Wineger. We're
Speaker 2: here in the studio an Aalise, our producer is not here.
Speaker 2: They've cooked up some sort of some excuse I don't know.
Speaker 2: I hung up with the phone before they could lie
Speaker 2: to me. I can't deal with it. But they're not here,
Speaker 2: and you know, hopefully they can figure it out. So
Speaker 2: I'm just flying free and loose here. What's going on.
Speaker 2: Most of my life now is just watching Little House
Speaker 2: on the Prairie. That's most of my days and nights.
Speaker 2: The Ingles family has kind of settled into their life.
Speaker 2: I've read some behind the scenes. You know, it didn't
Speaker 2: seem like it was that pleasant of a place to work, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: so it adds another dimension to watching the show. It
Speaker 2: occurred to me last night that I've been shopping for
Speaker 2: a lamp for five years and still have not bought one.
Speaker 2: I think that's the one piece of furniture I'm just
Speaker 2: really not capable of buying. So if you have any
Speaker 2: tips or tricks, keep them to yourself. So anything else.
Speaker 2: I've experienced a little bit of parking rage this morning,
Speaker 2: blinding rage. Apparently there's something about someone in a Volvo
Speaker 2: Crossover that just really taking their time sets me off,
Speaker 2: but I didn't act on it. I'm coming down from that.
Speaker 2: I have not had my baby belt cheese, which is
Speaker 2: usually pretty grounding for me. So, oh, business, We're coming
Speaker 2: to Chicago May twenty third the Den Theater. Go to
Speaker 2: the Den Theater dot com or just find it online.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to hold your hand. And Patreon continues
Speaker 2: to exist Patreon dot com. Slash I said, no gifts.
Speaker 2: What a lovely way to support the podcast. You know,
Speaker 2: this is a business ultimately, and we're business partners, and
Speaker 2: so I need you to keep up your end at
Speaker 2: the bargain ultimately. So go over there. We have the
Speaker 2: bonus episode. It's all kinds of things. It's wonderful time. Okay, oh,
Speaker 2: let's get into the podcast. I adore today's guest. Everybody
Speaker 2: loves today's guest. It's Tim highdeck Er. Tim welcome, Dyson.
Speaker 3: I have so many enemies. Could you're starting off in
Speaker 3: such a disingenuous place. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Oh, give me a break, But give me a break.
Speaker 3: I am. It's so excited you brought up a little
Speaker 3: house in the prairie. I don't know if you did
Speaker 3: research on me. No, No, do you watch it? I used,
Speaker 3: I used to when I was a kid, and I
Speaker 3: was like even into I mean, I knew it from
Speaker 3: it when I was a kid. But in high school,
Speaker 3: my sister and I religiously watched it. Oh you're kidding
Speaker 3: after school the reruns right right. I loved it and
Speaker 3: I might go back and do a rewatch.
Speaker 2: When was the last time you saw it?
Speaker 3: Uh? Many years ago? But I could. I could picture
Speaker 3: every frame. I know all the characters. I love that show.
Speaker 3: And you know the story about the ending of the show.
Speaker 3: Because I want to ask, because.
Speaker 2: I don't because my boyfriend keeps hinting at you won't
Speaker 2: believe what happened?
Speaker 3: Do you not want me to tell you?
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think? I mean? This is
Speaker 2: the thing about the show.
Speaker 3: It's very funds It's a very fund Hollywood story.
Speaker 2: Okay, then I guess I should know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you should know. I'm sorry your boyfriend for ruining it.
Speaker 3: You will eventually know this. I think it's true. I
Speaker 3: think it's true the very end of this. The show
Speaker 3: has been on for it's like seasons.
Speaker 2: Is that it over two hundred episodes.
Speaker 3: But it feels much longer because you see like half
Speaker 3: Pint and all the family grow from a nine year
Speaker 3: old to like adults. So it's gone. It's on for
Speaker 3: a long time, and the show comes to an end.
Speaker 3: And I think the last episode of the show is
Speaker 3: some railroad company or some outside forest buys little Walnut Walnut.
Speaker 2: Growth, I believe creek, and I think it is a
Speaker 2: real place.
Speaker 3: Okay, Walnut Grove, and the town doesn't like it. It
Speaker 3: means they're gonna have to change. Something's gonna happen. They
Speaker 3: decide that they are going to dynamite the entire town.
Speaker 3: They're gonna, yeah, they're gonna out of spite, they are
Speaker 3: going to blow up the town.
Speaker 2: Oh, the the citizens, the citizens, Oh, good for them,
Speaker 2: and and like, but I guess, but it also feels
Speaker 2: kind of like the opposite of the ethos of the show.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, just something happening. It's the opposite
Speaker 2: of the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well if you if we can't have this, no
Speaker 3: one can. And what I learned is that it was
Speaker 3: actually the production that said, we have to tear all
Speaker 3: these sets down anyway, let's.
Speaker 2: Let's just do it on camera. Yeah, that's so wild, which.
Speaker 3: Is such a bummer of a way to end that,
Speaker 3: because that shows so wholesome about sweet It's about learning
Speaker 3: lessons about how to behave and do right by people
Speaker 3: and stuff.
Speaker 2: And so do you see the town get blown up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the very last episode. I'm this is a memory.
Speaker 3: It could be. I hope it's mean. I'm sure your
Speaker 3: audience will correct me or you if it's incorrect, but
Speaker 3: I think that's how it went down.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, wow, I can't wait to get to that
Speaker 2: in ten years.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, two hundred episodes of like they're like over an
Speaker 2: hour each of them. Yeah, and it feels over an
Speaker 2: hour sometimes.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I remember them getting trapped in a mine. Oh okay,
Speaker 3: I remember the classic Albert. Albert was like the adopted son.
Speaker 3: Later he gets addicted to opium. So there's like a
Speaker 3: drug episode. You know. The network was like, we need
Speaker 3: a drug.
Speaker 2: How do we fit this into pioneer time, yes.
Speaker 3: And Pauw had to like like he cold turkeyed with him,
Speaker 3: so he like got him and it was like I just
Speaker 3: remember sweat, I remember vomit. It just like it was
Speaker 3: like early memories of the world are through the lens
Speaker 3: of little House in the.
Speaker 2: First Wow, I didn't realize it got so tough on it.
Speaker 3: It's hard out there in the prairie.
Speaker 2: I think we're only nine episodes in.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yeah, you have such a journey ahead.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was it was shocking to me. I
Speaker 2: think I purposefully avoided it as a kid because growing
Speaker 2: up in Utah you were just like kind of there
Speaker 2: was an overflow of like pioneer stories and I felt
Speaker 2: like watching that would be like going to church essentially.
Speaker 3: And are they they remaking it?
Speaker 2: I think so. I was just talking to my sister
Speaker 2: from the phone and she said, oh, you know, they're
Speaker 2: they're remaking that.
Speaker 3: So who knows, And your sister is the executive of
Speaker 3: Netflix or.
Speaker 2: She's kind of taken the reins h No, but I
Speaker 2: watched We watched the pilot and it's like, I think
Speaker 2: it's like two hours or something. It's like a movie
Speaker 2: and the things the family goes through.
Speaker 3: It's just like, I'm going to go, where is it?
Speaker 3: Where can you watch?
Speaker 2: I think it's on Amazon? Okay, And so far we
Speaker 2: haven't encountered a commercial, which has been nice.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: I'm sure that The Blindside is at some point. But
Speaker 2: what a show? And who who would have thought the
Speaker 2: ingles were going to have be such a pleasant time
Speaker 2: to watch? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Michael Landon's always he's always crying.
Speaker 2: Crying or looking for an opportunity not to wear his shirt. Yes, shirt,
Speaker 2: I realized, so.
Speaker 3: No shirt, no shirt, but suspenders. It's amazing. I came
Speaker 3: out a straight man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. I came out gay not having seen
Speaker 2: the show. Maybe I'm going to double down now, but
Speaker 2: I'm through that.
Speaker 3: You watch the show, yeah, and then I then you
Speaker 3: have to after that, you have to watch Highway to Heaven?
Speaker 3: What is that Highway to Heaven? So it's Michael Landon's
Speaker 3: second show, second big show that he did with the
Speaker 3: guy from the the his friend on Little House in
Speaker 3: the Prayer, the goy, the Beard.
Speaker 2: Oh, the guy. His name's Victor French.
Speaker 3: Victor French, Yes, remember Victor French teams up with Michael
Speaker 3: Landon for Highway to Heaven, which I believe is I
Speaker 3: didn't see much. I didn't watch a lot of Highway
Speaker 3: to Heaven, but it was I think Michael Landon is
Speaker 3: an angel who's like back, has stuck back on Earth,
Speaker 3: has to do good deeds to get back to Heaven
Speaker 3: into Heaven, I think, And Victor French is like a
Speaker 3: truck driver that he keeps running into It's you gotta
Speaker 3: watch it if you're if you watch Little House, you gotta.
Speaker 2: Keep keep you think that did that show go very
Speaker 2: long that?
Speaker 3: I don't know, Probably long enough. It was. It got indosyndication,
Speaker 3: probably Okay, Yeah, it wasn't like a one and done
Speaker 3: kind of deal.
Speaker 2: And like communication with God throughout or is it kind
Speaker 2: of stranded on Earth exit?
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you. We'd have to we'd have to
Speaker 3: pull up an episode, which I'm happy to do.
Speaker 2: Just watch a whole episode of Have It right now.
Speaker 2: It feels like Victor French's role in all of these
Speaker 2: Landon programs is to kind of just randomly show up.
Speaker 2: Because the episode we're watching right now of Little House,
Speaker 2: they needed a babysitter because the Ingle parent Ingle's parents
Speaker 2: are going on holiday and they need.
Speaker 3: Where are they going. They're going, They're going to Europe.
Speaker 2: They're going to d No, they're going to some other town.
Speaker 2: He has to drop something off, but he's treating as
Speaker 2: they keep saying.
Speaker 3: Holiday to St. Louis or something.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. But the first night of their holiday is
Speaker 2: them sleeping on the ground in front of a fire,
Speaker 2: So I guess like that's kind of the getting away
Speaker 2: for them. But the the babysitter gets a sore throat
Speaker 2: and can't babysit.
Speaker 3: Which in those days means you eventually die.
Speaker 2: She'll probably be by the end of And then here
Speaker 2: comes Victor French, just kind of stumbling into town. Oh
Speaker 2: you need a babysitter? Right here, I am. The kids
Speaker 2: love me.
Speaker 3: That's cute.
Speaker 2: But what a show. I can't recommend it enough and
Speaker 2: there's nothing else for me to watch on TV.
Speaker 3: Right Yeah, I might be with you, joining you.
Speaker 2: A tough time. What have you been up to? Well?
Speaker 3: I have two kids, sure, I tend to spend a
Speaker 3: lot of time with them, go to their baseball games.
Speaker 3: I'm a big baseball fan, so I watched a lot
Speaker 3: of Are you watching the Dodgers or watching any baseball team,
Speaker 3: if you're really into it ends up taking up a
Speaker 3: lot of your time.
Speaker 2: It's a kind of a job.
Speaker 3: It's on almost every day.
Speaker 2: Do they play every day?
Speaker 3: Play like four days a week or five days a week?
Speaker 2: That does feel wild?
Speaker 3: And the games are like three or four hours long.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's almost a career.
Speaker 3: It's my part time job.
Speaker 2: Yet, how are they doing.
Speaker 3: They're doing okay, but they're not doing as good as
Speaker 3: they should be doing if you're looking at the stats
Speaker 3: and the numbers and stuff. And this the NL West,
Speaker 3: which is the division they're in, is very competitive at
Speaker 3: the moment. Padres and the Giants are doing very well
Speaker 3: as well. So it's it's it's exciting. I guess what
Speaker 3: else free time? I don't know. I run and jaw
Speaker 3: like you know, that's what I do in the morning.
Speaker 2: Is that a Have you been a runner jogger your
Speaker 2: whole life? Uh?
Speaker 3: Fits and starts. But I've kind of in the past
Speaker 3: few years gotten into like pretty much every day. It
Speaker 3: took a way to start the day.
Speaker 2: How far are you jogging? Running? Uh?
Speaker 3: Three miles? That's pretty good, pretty good, And it's it's
Speaker 3: it's a I lived live on a hill so I
Speaker 3: run halfway down and then halfway up. I mean I
Speaker 3: run all the way down and then half.
Speaker 2: The way back up, okay, and then walk.
Speaker 3: Then do a walk the rest of the nice.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So it's just like you have to build
Speaker 2: up to that.
Speaker 3: I need to actually push it to the next level
Speaker 3: because I've been stationary. I've been at that level for
Speaker 3: a couple of years. Right, I get muscles. Yeh, see,
Speaker 3: you got muscles. How do I get muscles? Because I
Speaker 3: go to the gym sometimes I lift weights, but they
Speaker 3: never turn into muscles.
Speaker 2: I have a I kind of do an extreme thing.
Speaker 3: Extreme things.
Speaker 2: This is the thing I do is I go to
Speaker 2: this small gym and silver leg that's run by a
Speaker 2: husband and wife team. They're lovely, and you go for
Speaker 2: a half hour and they put you through. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's kind of up to you. They give you like
Speaker 2: a thing, a list of exercises to do, and like
Speaker 2: you're supposed to do five sets of each of them
Speaker 2: or whatever, and you just do as much as possible.
Speaker 2: And so I walk away probably every other time, dry heaving.
Speaker 2: Really it's very dear, not pleasant, but it's the only
Speaker 2: I had never worked out before, right, And so This
Speaker 2: is just how I've learned to exercise right. And it's
Speaker 2: the nice thing is it's a half hour.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's your in and out right.
Speaker 2: Because if I go to a gym just by myself,
Speaker 2: I'm kind of I know.
Speaker 3: That's what I do. I go to this gym I
Speaker 3: go to and I just rent pick up things and
Speaker 3: do the same thing. And I don't push it. Really
Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, I don't know. I'm always you know,
Speaker 3: it'd be interesting to get to have a bunch.
Speaker 2: Of muscles go way too far with Now, when I
Speaker 2: go to a regular gym, I'm so insecure because I
Speaker 2: don't know how to work out without someone kind of
Speaker 2: at least keeping an eye on me.
Speaker 3: Well, so these people are doing that sort of.
Speaker 2: They kind of there. I think at Max there are
Speaker 2: probably seven people in the gym at once, and so
Speaker 2: the people wander around and if you're doing something wrong,
Speaker 2: they'll tell you and you can ask them questions.
Speaker 3: And but it's not a set time.
Speaker 2: No, you have to make an appointment. Oh you do,
Speaker 2: do you have to make an appointment? But they're great,
Speaker 2: they're wonderful. I think I'm suspicious. Miranda July has this
Speaker 2: new novel out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my wife read it. Everybody, everybody, all the women
Speaker 3: in my life.
Speaker 2: Of course, every woman I've ever met just read this book. Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's over there reading your lady books.
Speaker 2: But in this book, it's said in east eastern Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: The protagonist lives, probably in Silver Lake. She ends up
Speaker 2: going to this gym in a basement, in a basement
Speaker 2: run by a husband and wife team. And I have
Speaker 2: to imagine, right, this is the gym.
Speaker 3: There's I used to I used to live in Silver Lake,
Speaker 3: and I went to that very gay gym, you know,
Speaker 3: the very.
Speaker 2: Is it Pharaohs. It's like, that's the gayest gym I
Speaker 2: can think of.
Speaker 3: It's right on that main drag because that is like
Speaker 3: a traditionally gay area of Los Angeles, right like back
Speaker 3: in the day when it was like there were actual
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know.
Speaker 2: What I means of communities.
Speaker 3: Yea, right now it feels like it doesn't matter. Hopefully
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. But this felt like real, like muscle
Speaker 3: muscle men, you know, village people's style, you know, guys
Speaker 3: working out in leather kind of. I went to that
Speaker 3: gym for a while.
Speaker 2: But that was like a traditional gym. There wasn't a
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 3: Not only husbands, your husband material. But I had a
Speaker 3: trainer and I didn't like that experience. You don't like
Speaker 3: being told what to do well, I didn't like the
Speaker 3: chit chat. I don't like this a small talk as
Speaker 3: we're working out. So what'd you get up to this weekend?
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I don't really want to check it.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: The chit chat at my gym is limited to almost
Speaker 2: exclusively what we're watching on TV, and they have good
Speaker 2: tastes in TV, so there's just a lot of me
Speaker 2: complaining to them and them complaining back, and it feels good. Uh.
Speaker 2: The place I don't like to chit chat is my
Speaker 2: haircut and my This has been a weird thing actually,
Speaker 2: where my barber doesn't talk to me at all, and
Speaker 2: my boyfriend has started going to the same person and
Speaker 2: apparently has these long conversations. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: just I'm so off putting as a person that he
Speaker 2: doesn't want to talk to me, or if he's just catching.
Speaker 3: He's resting and yeah, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 2: But he comes back and my boyfriend and talking about
Speaker 2: everything with this person. I mean, I have no complaints,
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk right, but I'm feeling left out.
Speaker 3: I could feel that. I imagine you would. Now this
Speaker 3: sounds hacky. I always worried about this sounding hacky, but
Speaker 3: it's true. It's very true.
Speaker 2: I think true things are sometimes hacky.
Speaker 3: But I get it at that. I get the small
Speaker 3: talk at the dentist. Oh, sure of course, and I
Speaker 3: got literally got so how are the kids doing? Like
Speaker 3: I can't believe it's happening when it's happening, Like you don't.
Speaker 3: It's fine, right, you guys. You guys have plans over
Speaker 3: the summer.
Speaker 2: Well do to me if I'm the hygienas or the dentist.
Speaker 2: I'm never getting clear answers from the patient like I
Speaker 2: would eventually be like, I'm just not gonna ask them.
Speaker 2: I'm not having a healthy conversation with them.
Speaker 3: Yes, and maybe do it before you get the stuff
Speaker 3: in the mouth.
Speaker 2: Just ketch up, real ketchup, real.
Speaker 3: Quick, as a as an icebreaker or whatever.
Speaker 2: But I wonder if it's just because it's such an
Speaker 2: intimate thing they feel like it's.
Speaker 3: The whole thing is awkward. Can you imagine you end
Speaker 3: up becoming you end up you're a dentist and you're
Speaker 3: like or a dental hygienist. You Thank god they're people
Speaker 3: that are willing to do it, but just in people's
Speaker 3: mouths and scraping away.
Speaker 2: Oh awful. My problem with my dentist is they've installed
Speaker 2: some of those overhead lights that are kind of a
Speaker 2: bluish yeah, and I can't so I get they give
Speaker 2: me migrants. I have to wait outside of the waiting
Speaker 2: room until they let me in. Really, and I don't
Speaker 2: have the heart to tell them. Just would you get
Speaker 2: something a warmer light?
Speaker 3: Right? Well? Can you wear certain glasses?
Speaker 2: Maybe I should wear sunglasses?
Speaker 3: They give me sunglasses at my dentist really, yeah.
Speaker 2: Like tinted lenses. Oh that's interesting. But see this is
Speaker 2: when I'm in the waiting.
Speaker 3: Room, even in the waiting room, it's yeah.
Speaker 2: It's I think it's almost worse. So I don't, uh,
Speaker 2: I don't know how to approach that.
Speaker 3: I would approach it.
Speaker 2: And it's hard to find a good dentist, and I
Speaker 2: like this person.
Speaker 3: I have a great I do have a great dentist.
Speaker 3: But I would just talk to them about.
Speaker 2: It, Okay, yeah, maybe just leave an anonymous c LP
Speaker 2: review or something.
Speaker 3: Well, well, I mean this is not something that they
Speaker 3: can change. You mean the blue lights in the waiting room.
Speaker 2: In the waiting room, it's it's almost that like they're
Speaker 2: like led lights or whatever, and they obviously just put
Speaker 2: no thought into like which bulb they should buy, and
Speaker 2: so they're blinding really blue. And if you wait too long,
Speaker 2: I guess I'm too sensitive.
Speaker 3: Maybe you treat it like empathy, empathy towards the person
Speaker 3: that is in the in the reception. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 3: how do you deal with these lights all day long?
Speaker 2: That's such a good weight to approach. Yes, I'm worried
Speaker 2: about you, right, I'm fine with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do have a problem with the daylight lights
Speaker 3: being used in interiors. Do you know how that's been
Speaker 3: going on?
Speaker 2: No, I'm not familiar.
Speaker 3: So there's like color temperatures for different kinds of lights,
Speaker 3: And this would be like the lights here, like an
Speaker 3: indoor tungsten light as opposed to a day and a
Speaker 3: daylight light feels like it's you're in outside, right, too bright?
Speaker 3: It's too bright. But also it has a temperature to it,
Speaker 3: a color to it that is like whiter. I guess
Speaker 3: you'd say, right. And a lot of times people, especially
Speaker 3: in airbnbs or hotels, Oh yeah, they will put in
Speaker 3: daylight bulbs interior lamps, and it's hard. You'll know it.
Speaker 3: It's like bathroom lighting in your living room.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, it's so bright so you can see every pore. Yeah,
Speaker 2: which you just don't need.
Speaker 3: In living spaces.
Speaker 2: Living spaces, well, I mean thinking of I mean speaking
Speaker 2: of unpleasant things and things that I don't want to
Speaker 2: deal with. I was excited to have you here today.
Speaker 3: Thank you. We've met a couple, we've.
Speaker 2: Met a couple of times. We've spent enough time together
Speaker 2: that I thought we would have a nice time, we
Speaker 2: would chat, move on with our days. The podcast is
Speaker 2: called I said no gifts. I assume at least one
Speaker 2: email was sent to you with the title I would hope.
Speaker 2: I hope that someone within this production is a professional.
Speaker 2: So it was a little thrown when you walked into
Speaker 2: the studio holding what couldn't more clearly be a gift,
Speaker 2: This beautifully wrapped, kind of book sized gift. It's got
Speaker 2: kind of a Santa Claus, very cute, little little stration.
Speaker 2: Is that a gift for me?
Speaker 3: It is? I apologize if it sets you off or anything.
Speaker 3: But I thought it was sarcastic or ironic of a title.
Speaker 3: I just didn't. I mean, I don't. I'm not a
Speaker 3: gift giver. Okay, I don't. It's my wife's department, right,
Speaker 3: I don't. I'm not a guy that likes to introduce
Speaker 3: more waste into this world. Most of the people I
Speaker 3: know have everything they want, right, and if they don't,
Speaker 3: they should be able to get it whenever they want.
Speaker 2: And you surround yourself with people who are just kind
Speaker 2: of living simple people.
Speaker 3: Okay, sure, simple people. So this was an interest. So
Speaker 3: I saw that Emai, I said, well, this is an
Speaker 3: interesting challenge for me to see if I can embrace
Speaker 3: the idea of gift giving. I don't even know how
Speaker 3: to wrap presence, and I figured it out.
Speaker 2: You did a nice show.
Speaker 3: This isn't the best back here.
Speaker 2: But it's better than I could have done.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I don't know that the.
Speaker 2: Corners are so clean. My corners with a gift wrapping,
Speaker 2: they're always kind of puffed out or too much tape
Speaker 2: on them.
Speaker 3: Right, But in the spirit of not wasting, I got
Speaker 3: you something that I don't think involved any waste. Oh, Okay,
Speaker 3: if you will accept that, I'd appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Should I open it here on the podcast.
Speaker 3: Is that how you do it?
Speaker 2: I mean maybe we'll make an exception. Tokay, okay, let's
Speaker 2: oh crispy, okay. So it is a book.
Speaker 3: It is a book.
Speaker 2: It is a book, Songs of the Doomed, with an
Speaker 2: introduction by you, written by Hunter S. Thompson.
Speaker 3: Oh so I want you to read the inscription in
Speaker 3: the Is that what it's called? Inscription?
Speaker 2: Let's see, this is Bridger. They sent me six copies
Speaker 2: of this book. I hope you can read.
Speaker 3: Well, it looks like you can.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't back out now, I can't lie about reading.
Speaker 2: And I love tim. They sent you six copies of.
Speaker 3: This book, right because I wrote the introduction?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: And what am I going to do with six copies
Speaker 3: of the same book? I don't need six, guys.
Speaker 2: It's a weird thing for the publisher to do. Is
Speaker 2: this to pump up the sales numbers?
Speaker 3: I don't know, but now I have five copies, which
Speaker 3: is too much? Right as well? I'm so I'm on.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you consider a regift or whatever,
Speaker 3: but I'm offloading some stuff. So you're doing me a
Speaker 3: favor as well.
Speaker 2: Hate to hear it. Well, this is a weird position
Speaker 2: that they've put you in, because if you were to
Speaker 2: just drop them off at Goodwill, that's keeping people from
Speaker 2: buying book, right, if you were to give them to friends,
Speaker 2: it feels weird. I can't imagine, do you. Is it
Speaker 2: a thing you leave on the table in case somebody
Speaker 2: comes over and they say, hey, I had like a copy.
Speaker 3: No, I don't. I just had. I have a bookshelf
Speaker 3: and I have six copies of that book on it.
Speaker 3: Now I have five.
Speaker 2: What are you possibly supposed to do with this?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean I didn't read it, but
Speaker 3: revolved that I wrote the introduction. Uh. The publisher wrote
Speaker 3: me and asked me to write the intro, and I
Speaker 3: I did read some of it. It's a collection of
Speaker 3: his It's a collection of some of his writings from
Speaker 3: various points of his life. And I mean, I grew
Speaker 3: up reading hunter S. Thompson and knew enough about him
Speaker 3: to And he said, just write a couple of pages
Speaker 3: about Huntress Thompson and how you feel about it. Right,
Speaker 3: I'll do that.
Speaker 2: Have you talked to it? I assume you've talked about
Speaker 2: this publicly about Hunter S. Thompson at some point. It
Speaker 2: wasn't just a wild swing by the publisher.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I think he was just he knew me
Speaker 3: in general from my podcast and from whatever. He probably
Speaker 3: just said, do you I mean, he might have asked,
Speaker 3: did you are you? Are you a fan of Huntress Thompson?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Would you be interested?
Speaker 2: And then was it difficult writing the intro? Let me
Speaker 2: see you feel like that's high stakes?
Speaker 3: Uh No, I don't. I couldn't have met. I don't
Speaker 3: think it was very difficult. It was really only look,
Speaker 3: this is page one of it. This is page and
Speaker 3: we're done. That's what he said. He goes, we only
Speaker 3: need like whatever the page and the number is.
Speaker 2: It's a very short which I appreciate because when when
Speaker 2: there's an intro in a book, I usually skip it
Speaker 2: because it's it's like, you know, a full chapter, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, let me just read the book. I
Speaker 2: don't need anyone else's opinion right now. No, yeah, And
Speaker 2: I don't want to waste any more time. I'm already
Speaker 2: wasting time reading, so why why would I possibly do that?
Speaker 2: But this feels like this is a low pressure intro.
Speaker 3: There's no excuse to not read my intro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of embarrassing if you don't. You should
Speaker 2: almost read it by accident.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's see here. And then there's always like an intro,
Speaker 3: and then there's a preface, well what is the difference?
Speaker 2: And an author's note and an editor's note in this one.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, so they've gone too far.
Speaker 3: I also love when they say editor's note and then
Speaker 3: it's like three pages like it should be, just like,
Speaker 3: I hope you enjoyed the book.
Speaker 2: The editors just stepping in and giving themselves a few pages.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you know. We went to great length to
Speaker 3: make sure that the work we did was at the
Speaker 3: highest level of quality.
Speaker 2: At this point, you've already got the reader hooked. You've
Speaker 2: got them to either buy or get into the library.
Speaker 3: Damn editor, I have to say. Shortly before this book
Speaker 3: went to press, we were stunned and profoundly demoralized by
Speaker 3: the newsbook that had been seized certain I don't know
Speaker 3: what anyway, and then you got quotes from other books.
Speaker 3: It's I was like the quote from other books, I
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, setting a tone, Oh.
Speaker 3: I see, who is this one from George Barker, Sacred
Speaker 3: Elegy five, nineteen forty three. Fiend, Behind the Fiend, Behind
Speaker 3: the Fiend, Behind the Fiend, all right. I also kind
Speaker 3: of threw him under the bus here a little bit,
Speaker 3: I think, really well, because then you read more like
Speaker 3: I think my point was like, when you're in high school,
Speaker 3: there's something cool about her, of course, very cool. Then
Speaker 3: you get older and you're like, well, this is no
Speaker 3: way to live. There's no way to behave.
Speaker 2: It's a bad life.
Speaker 3: You're like doing all these drugs and response shooting, shooting
Speaker 3: stuff and not doing your work.
Speaker 2: No one can count on you, I know, and everybody
Speaker 2: for whatever reason it's working.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're getting rewarded. Ye and bad behavior.
Speaker 2: He should have been jailed. Yeah, he should have been
Speaker 2: in prison. No, I never read Hunter s Thompson, and
Speaker 2: I think then got to a point where it's like, well,
Speaker 2: now it's too late, and I feel like it is
Speaker 2: the sort of thing where like the season need to
Speaker 2: be planted early, so like, yeah, I wonder if he
Speaker 2: would annoy me.
Speaker 3: Now Yeah, I don't know. I mean it's where I think,
Speaker 3: you know, the big ones are, well, they're exciting to read.
Speaker 2: Right, I feel like he's probably it's it's one of
Speaker 2: those like.
Speaker 3: But of its time as well, and a lot of
Speaker 3: it was very contemporary, writing about Nixon or whatever's going
Speaker 3: on in the country at that time. That feels like
Speaker 3: he must have been really exciting to read in the
Speaker 3: moment as it's happening.
Speaker 2: But I'm sure a lot of those things still apply now.
Speaker 3: They do as well, obviously obviously.
Speaker 2: But interesting. Is there any do you feel like this
Speaker 2: is a good starting point for me to start reading Hunt.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. No, I don't think I don't
Speaker 3: think so. I mean, this is his stuff from the nineties,
Speaker 3: you know, it's like my first Rolling Stones record is
Speaker 3: is about Bridges to Babylon or something.
Speaker 2: You don't associate him with the nineties at all. I mean,
Speaker 2: what is he writing about in the nineties, Well, that's.
Speaker 3: When he kind of moved to Colorado and is like
Speaker 3: living off the grid and stuff and hanging out some
Speaker 3: value down. Yeah, you know what, dig dive in. Maybe
Speaker 3: it'll be right up your alley. Start with the introduction.
Speaker 2: No, I'm trying to think of I guess Fear and Loathing.
Speaker 3: Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: It feels like a god.
Speaker 3: Then fear and Loathing on the campaign trail of nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy two, the McGovern campaign. Look at me, I'm so smart.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to give you opportunities. Are you
Speaker 2: reading anything right now?
Speaker 3: What am I reading right now? I've been doing a
Speaker 3: lot of audiobooks. Does that count? That counts? Right?
Speaker 2: I think that counts.
Speaker 3: The Room to Dream is this biography slash memoir of
Speaker 3: David Lynch. Oh, that's real great. The premise of this
Speaker 3: book is they of every chapter. You know, let's say
Speaker 3: they're talking about Twin Peaks. So the chapter on Twin
Speaker 3: Peaks is read by the author of who's writing like
Speaker 3: a biography, you know, right right, he met him and
Speaker 3: this is how that happened and all that stuff. And then
Speaker 3: after that chapter David jumps on, I remember that was
Speaker 3: the first time I worked with so and so, and
Speaker 3: it really was something else, and we didn't get all
Speaker 3: of it the first day, but I dropped my impression,
Speaker 3: but I was there for a second. And then it's
Speaker 3: it's his perspective on that period.
Speaker 2: Is there any like him correcting the record or anything?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, But it does have that feeling of
Speaker 3: not something he's reading. It feels like he's just on
Speaker 3: the mic. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: It's such an entertaining person to just hear talk.
Speaker 3: The other one that was like that that I recently
Speaker 3: had as read was al Pacino's.
Speaker 2: Memoir Oh does he read the whole thing?
Speaker 3: Yes, And it's the bad And it does feel like
Speaker 3: he's either reading it for the first time and finding
Speaker 3: out about it for the first time, or he's remembering
Speaker 3: and kind of he keeps talking about losing and then
Speaker 3: I lost all my money, I ran the money. What
Speaker 3: are you gonna do? And I had to do an
Speaker 3: Adam Samla movie. But it's great. He's like I loved
Speaker 3: him so much more than I already loved him after
Speaker 3: reading that.
Speaker 2: He's an incredible person.
Speaker 3: He really is. And what's funny is like there's this
Speaker 3: perception of him as like this tough guy, you know,
Speaker 3: scar faced godfather, and he's like a wacky art guy,
Speaker 3: you know, interesting, real, wacky, real, you know, he's a
Speaker 3: New York theater actor guy who's not tough at all.
Speaker 3: But anyways, it's a very very good memoir, maybe the best.
Speaker 3: One of the best actor memoirs I've ever.
Speaker 2: Read, was there any like shocking fact you learned or
Speaker 2: anything interesting.
Speaker 3: I don't remember you think.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is it's a gun beare question for
Speaker 2: me to ask.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's the funny ship was like towards the
Speaker 3: end where he's like he's got all these kids, and
Speaker 3: he's got all these ex wives and and and he's
Speaker 3: like spending money like a madman. But just because I
Speaker 3: know he's talking, he told one story about like flying
Speaker 3: to London private on a private jet and staying at
Speaker 3: taking a whole floor of some hotel, and and and
Speaker 3: then he has like all these cell phones that he's
Speaker 3: paying for and all the and then like meanwhile, his
Speaker 3: his like age is a business manager has been like
Speaker 3: ripping him off for ten years and he's finding out
Speaker 3: about that. And he's like, I don't have any money.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do. But then I get
Speaker 3: another job and the money comes in. But he's like,
Speaker 3: you really, He's like sometimes these old guys like their
Speaker 3: expenses are through the rule because living like kings in
Speaker 3: the seventies.
Speaker 2: And eighties, family members who are used to a certain life,
Speaker 2: see who are probably creating new expenses all the time. Wow, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I kind of getting to that age and still worrying
Speaker 2: about like, oh my god, I'm out of money I've got.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine it. Yeah, I know, I can't believe
Speaker 3: I might personally have like worked myself into this life
Speaker 3: where I'm like, you know, don't think about it. But
Speaker 3: then here I am at almost fifty and being like
Speaker 3: I have two kids, and I'm like, I gotta have to.
Speaker 3: I'm just have to. Like I'm doing well, but there's
Speaker 3: no guarantees.
Speaker 2: No, especially in this horrible business.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that business is changing so dramatically. You know. It's
Speaker 3: occasionally these jobs come in. It's like, oh, that's nice,
Speaker 3: that's a lot of money. Wow, Okay, why would they
Speaker 3: pay me that much money? But then you're like, man,
Speaker 3: that might be the last time that ever happens. Then
Speaker 3: what do I fucking do?
Speaker 2: But I think the thing you have going for you
Speaker 2: is you you lead a pretty stable, reasonable lifestyle.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's true, it is true. I don't My expenses
Speaker 3: are fairly reasonable, and I have no boats or anything.
Speaker 2: Right, I don't foresee you making any giant swings. It's
Speaker 2: suddenly like you're just out of control.
Speaker 3: And yes, it's true, I'm very conservative.
Speaker 2: Grambling that way, Wow, al Pacino, I need to read that.
Speaker 2: So you're reading the book, I've already forgotten what book
Speaker 2: you're Oh the data.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't really gone into like novel world in
Speaker 3: a while and feel bad about that.
Speaker 2: I think it's uh, reading nonfiction is easier.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I enjoy you're hearing about real people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like, I don't know if.
Speaker 3: You're going to make stuff up, I'll watch it as
Speaker 3: a TV show or a movie, or if the book
Speaker 3: is so good they'll make it into a movie.
Speaker 2: I'll wait. Yeah, yeah, I uh, fiction more and more,
Speaker 2: I'm like getting halfway through a novel, like I'm not
Speaker 2: enjoying myself and I'm not learning. Whereas if I'm not
Speaker 2: enjoying a piece of nonfiction, I'm like I can be like, well,
Speaker 2: at least new facts are entering my brain that I
Speaker 2: could eventually share on a podcast or this kind of thing. Yes,
Speaker 2: a dinner conversation, conversation, that's my entire life now. I
Speaker 2: was just trying to think of new things that I
Speaker 2: can share with friends.
Speaker 3: What else could I They don't want to hear about.
Speaker 2: The absolutely want nothing to do with and then they'll
Speaker 2: kind of say the same things back to me and
Speaker 2: we'll go home.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm reading about Facebook right now.
Speaker 3: Oh and uh oh is there a new book.
Speaker 2: That it might be new? It's called Careless People?
Speaker 3: Mmm, like from an insider's perspective.
Speaker 2: Yes, this woman who was like in charge of pushing
Speaker 2: it into new countries or she she kind of looked
Speaker 2: at it as like, we're going to this is going
Speaker 2: to be a worldwide thing we need to be responsible for.
Speaker 2: And I was trying to convince everyone at Facebook that that.
Speaker 3: Mattered, right, and they said, they said.
Speaker 2: Not really, as long as we're growing our numbers, it
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter how our behavior is. I haven't really
Speaker 2: learned I mean, everything you would possibly assume about Facebook, yes.
Speaker 3: Or whatever that is, like, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: But it is fun to have a little stories about
Speaker 2: Mark Zuckerberg being a loser. Sure, well, I've got this book.
Speaker 2: Is there anything else we need to say about Hunter S. Thompson?
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Do you do any prose writing outside of intros to.
Speaker 3: Well? I mean I write a lot of the stuff
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: Sure.
Speaker 3: I put out a tour diary book last year through
Speaker 3: McSweeney's that was exciting. Yeah, So yeah, I did that
Speaker 3: every day on tour and that it was. It worked
Speaker 3: well enough that I sent it to Dave Eggers and
Speaker 3: they put it in their one of their issues as
Speaker 3: like a book that you can read, Oh lovely and
Speaker 3: every on my Patreon for office hours. Every Saturday, I
Speaker 3: write a blog. I oh, that's nice, and I really
Speaker 3: like it. I really enjoy writing. Some more things in
Speaker 3: the works maybe that are not official, but you know.
Speaker 2: What are you blogging about?
Speaker 3: Oh, you know, whatever's in my head, whatever, my trip
Speaker 3: to the dentist last week. Politics, things i'm worried about,
Speaker 3: if something funny happened in my life that deserves some attention, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also like, oh, here's this thing I'm working on,
Speaker 3: and here's a little bit about why I do it,
Speaker 3: or you know, just a little self introspection or whatever.
Speaker 2: No, I think that's nice almost journaling, Yeah it is.
Speaker 3: It is a bit thing I.
Speaker 2: Miss blogging, you know, in the late oughts, the blogging
Speaker 2: of all of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's I mean, it feels like it's
Speaker 3: coming back because everyone's doing substats and I don't really
Speaker 3: I follow like a couple of people, but uh, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't want to go there. Because it's one of
Speaker 3: the value benefits of the patriots.
Speaker 2: Of course one of my yes got to have some
Speaker 2: sort of things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, of course it costs me nothing but time,
Speaker 3: which is valuable. But I like doing it. I get
Speaker 3: up on Saturday, but it's always Saturday morning, and I
Speaker 3: get up and before everyone's up, I have some coffee
Speaker 3: and I sit there and I try to put something.
Speaker 2: You give yourself a time limit or not really.
Speaker 3: No, it usually, I mean I usually eventually have other
Speaker 3: things to do, so I try to wrap it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sub sex for me, I feel like I'm ambitious
Speaker 2: about reading them. I subscribe to them constantly, and then
Speaker 2: it just becomes this annoying thing in my email. Then
Speaker 2: I start feeling guilty and I don't want to unsubscribe,
Speaker 2: and I guess that just reflects poorly on me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I should be reading more, but or being more selective
Speaker 2: about who I'm Well.
Speaker 3: Did they do a thing on there where you can
Speaker 3: it like collects them all into like a digest or
Speaker 3: something a smart thing.
Speaker 2: Like an app or something that does that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're just like more. It's more of like
Speaker 3: a magazine experience, right, reading a bunch of emails that
Speaker 3: we don't want to read a bunch of emails.
Speaker 2: Getting a long emails and unpleasant things.
Speaker 3: I just got one this morning about my h this
Speaker 3: commercial I'm doing show. I'll show you just the email length.
Speaker 2: No way, no way, that's probably two printed pages.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of numbers in here. Times.
Speaker 2: I have to imagine that could be boiled down to
Speaker 2: like four bulleted points. That person is wasting their time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a brain dump. It's like you write that
Speaker 3: separately and then then you'll answer your own.
Speaker 2: Questions to figure out what you actually have to convey.
Speaker 2: That's a bad email, right or that's like almost an
Speaker 2: old fashioned type of email.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there's like a couple of questions question marks
Speaker 3: at the end. Too many question marks at the end. Okay,
Speaker 3: calm down, reset?
Speaker 2: Have you responded to it yet? No? See that sort
Speaker 2: of thing. That would I would hit snooze on that
Speaker 2: probably four times before I got back to it.
Speaker 3: Do you want to hear a funny text exchange my
Speaker 3: mom and me and my wife. Maybe you need a
Speaker 3: little more context of who we're dealing with here, But
Speaker 3: let's just pretend we all have moms.
Speaker 2: We've all they all have a certain texting style.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this was there. She's coming. She's in Palm Springs,
Speaker 3: so it's it's she comes to visit us quite a bit.
Speaker 3: I met your mom's yes, of course in Palm Springs.
Speaker 3: So she's coming for the weekend. And she texts my
Speaker 3: wife and I yesterday, Okay, we'll come. This is this
Speaker 3: okay comes out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's like.
Speaker 3: It's a news thread, a new thread.
Speaker 2: Okay is a response to yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, we'll come sat. We'll just say we'll
Speaker 3: come Saturday unless you need me Friday for some reason.
Speaker 3: Exclamation point, question mark heart. My wife says, sounds great,
Speaker 3: thumbs up. My mom says, sorry, did you mean coming
Speaker 3: question mark Saturday? Question mark comes great? Or Friday sounds great? No,
Speaker 3: So she then clarifies, Oops, was in card doing verbal
Speaker 3: and didn't understand my accent accent because I understand my accent.
Speaker 3: I'll come Sat unless here different my wife. My wife,
Speaker 3: very patient, says, but this is a little little attitude here.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, she's getting hurt.
Speaker 3: You said will come Saturday. I said, sounds great. Clown face.
Speaker 2: Calling your mama clown.
Speaker 3: Clown. Yes, I realized, she says, yes, I realized that
Speaker 3: when I reread it. Sorry about that, but I'll see
Speaker 3: you Saturday. Can't we see you? But it was like,
Speaker 3: will come Saturday unless you need me Friday for some reason.
Speaker 3: Sounds great. Your reaction to that would be see you Saturday.
Speaker 2: Of course, it's a very I mean, it's just a
Speaker 2: clear there's not that many options there.
Speaker 3: No, no, yeah, anyways, I was just watching all that.
Speaker 3: I didn't get involved.
Speaker 2: I did not Oh you were, but you're you were
Speaker 2: on the text.
Speaker 3: On the time said no no chiming in.
Speaker 2: If I open a text thread and there's like more
Speaker 2: than three things going, I just wait for it to
Speaker 2: similar back down. I'm like, I'm not going to answer
Speaker 2: everybody's questions here. If two more two or three people
Speaker 2: are communicating, they'll figure it out, and then I could
Speaker 2: say the final thing for sure, heart something. I won't
Speaker 2: do a thumbs up, because then it just seems like
Speaker 2: I was mad the whole time.
Speaker 3: People get mad about the thumbs up.
Speaker 2: It's a cold response. I don't know, and it's a
Speaker 2: strange thing that it is, because it's just a neutral thing.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess if you I think we're too over zealous
Speaker 3: with the hearts. Yeah, and I say that those things
Speaker 3: are like conversation enders.
Speaker 2: Oh, completely right. It's like I don't want to say
Speaker 2: any other things to you, even if it's a heart,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, but the thumbs.
Speaker 3: Up got it, it's a got it without being that brusque.
Speaker 2: About it, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think if we just moved back to more thumbs
Speaker 2: up on everything, less hearts, then the heart would mean more.
Speaker 3: You know what drives me? That's in a in a sorry.
Speaker 2: I keep going on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, if you're in a group thread and somebody
Speaker 3: goes and if let's say it's a happy birthday, sure,
Speaker 3: happy birthday scenario. The person that goes back and then
Speaker 3: likes the all the various bing bing bing, you're getting
Speaker 3: all these alerts that this person is going back and
Speaker 3: liking things.
Speaker 2: Sam, Yeah, that's so unfair to every fo.
Speaker 3: We assume that you liked or I mean we maybe
Speaker 3: we don't. Maybe we we should assume it. It doesn't
Speaker 3: matter to you that other people said happy birthday in
Speaker 3: this thread.
Speaker 2: I think it's almost it's not about you. They don't care,
Speaker 2: and so they're just like checking boxes here. Oh a
Speaker 2: little check is a decent one. They should add my.
Speaker 3: Friend who's who's also my tour manager when we tour,
Speaker 3: a longtime great friend. His go to reply is the
Speaker 3: check mark emoji, like when things are like clear, final, right,
Speaker 3: che market.
Speaker 2: That's way better than the thumbs up, because I do
Speaker 2: think a thumbs up in real life is almost always sarcastic.
Speaker 2: I mean rarely do you do that great? Well yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but the check people love to see a check Yeah.
Speaker 2: There we go, all right, self issue, And your mom's
Speaker 2: coming Saturday.
Speaker 3: We'll see she might, she might. It's Friday now she
Speaker 3: might be there. Oh, I thought you said, And I
Speaker 3: want to say to her, this is where I want
Speaker 3: to come from. Come whenever you want. Yeah, Like she
Speaker 3: we have a little guest house that she has full
Speaker 3: access to. Yes, she can come and go as she pleases.
Speaker 3: We love to have her, of course, and she's welcome anytime.
Speaker 3: We We don't when we were when the kids were younger,
Speaker 3: there was more of that feeling of like can you
Speaker 3: come and.
Speaker 2: Right we need your help right now, we need your help.
Speaker 3: Now we're kind of like the kids are, they're older
Speaker 3: and they can kind of like do their own thing.
Speaker 3: We still have to, you know, we we still have
Speaker 3: to pick them up and do that stuff. But we
Speaker 3: have lots of where so that maybe is feeling a
Speaker 3: little there's a little transition there where it's like, you know,
Speaker 3: we were it's not so much about the childcare, but
Speaker 3: if you're if you want to come early, come down.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't imagine she's going to be that much,
Speaker 2: you know, a trouble.
Speaker 3: No, it's not trouble.
Speaker 2: No. I think that's that lines up with my mom's behavior,
Speaker 2: where you almost have to beg her to do things
Speaker 2: that are fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she thinks being doing.
Speaker 2: Normal behavior is overstepping her boundaries. Right, No, that's fine.
Speaker 2: And the fact that we've had to ask you, now
Speaker 2: that's trouble exactly.
Speaker 3: It's like, did you want me to empty the dishwasher?
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't, like, do you want to? If
Speaker 3: you want to have to a dishwasher? Like that would
Speaker 3: be great helpful, sure, but don't ask me if like
Speaker 3: would I I rather do it? No? Like you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like, now we're talking about emptying the dishwasher.
Speaker 2: What about me makes you think I would be mad
Speaker 2: that you emptied the dishwasher?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Exactly? Yeah, sweet sweet people absolutely.
Speaker 3: Lovely let me always are the best.
Speaker 2: Intentions, best intentions. I want to I'm curious about your
Speaker 2: policy on locked doors at your house because my boyfriend.
Speaker 3: Is this is pretty now okay, I mean, I can't
Speaker 3: imagine your audience is full of bunch of burglars and
Speaker 3: MS thirteen gang members.
Speaker 2: We have a very gang heavy audience. Yeah. Uh, my
Speaker 2: boyfriend is very like, even when we're at home, every
Speaker 2: door needs to be locked at all times.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm not. I'm not that way. My
Speaker 3: wife is more that way. I just can't imagine a scenario,
Speaker 3: but it would certainly happen. I also remember my so
Speaker 3: my dad had They had a body shop, like a
Speaker 3: tow truck company and that kind of thing in Pennsylvania, right,
Speaker 3: And so they had this lot that was not fenced
Speaker 3: or anything, and it was but it was where the
Speaker 3: cars would be parked, be waiting to get service done
Speaker 3: or waiting to get body shop work done or something, right,
Speaker 3: and they would get occasionally broken into. Sure, and his
Speaker 3: line was always like, it's cheaper for it would be
Speaker 3: it doesn't make sense, we will never do it, but
Speaker 3: it truly would be cheaper just to have the doors
Speaker 3: open and and the windows rolled down right, because they're
Speaker 3: going to get in there, yes, and they just have
Speaker 3: to Now we have to play for the broken window
Speaker 3: to right right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my thing where I'm like, if we ever
Speaker 2: get in such an extreme scenario that someone who's entered
Speaker 2: the house while we're here, they're going to do it
Speaker 2: either way. Yeah, yeah, they have bad intentions, let them
Speaker 2: in right. At least it'll be smoother, it be less scary, right.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know where I guess there's
Speaker 2: just maybe I'm too care free.
Speaker 3: I think it's a little bit of both, a little
Speaker 3: I think it's you know, it's sure lock lock them
Speaker 3: up at night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, lock it up at night, I hope.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we lock it up at night. Believe me, folks,
Speaker 3: we will. We lock it up at night. You're not
Speaker 3: getting into our house at night.
Speaker 2: Do you have alarms?
Speaker 3: Yes, we do have an alarm. We have an alarm
Speaker 3: that I'm asking all these questions.
Speaker 2: Also, just say your address on the podcast.
Speaker 3: We have alarms that I don't I'm not fastidious about. Okay.
Speaker 2: See that's how I am sure.
Speaker 3: And then you got to go in there and turn
Speaker 3: it off.
Speaker 2: Right, And I'm always worried that I'll forget and then
Speaker 2: set it off.
Speaker 3: And we've had the cops come a couple of times.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you, I'll tell you a story about the
Speaker 3: cops coming.
Speaker 2: I would love to hear it.
Speaker 3: Now. You said earlier in that everybody loves me, right, yes,
Speaker 3: everybody else. It's not true because I have created many
Speaker 3: enemies on the far right. Oh sure, right, another part
Speaker 3: of your listenership. Right. So, a few years ago I
Speaker 3: went to war with this guy named Baked No, what's
Speaker 3: his name, Baked Potato or something. It was one of
Speaker 3: these I don't know, it's one of these YouTuber right
Speaker 3: wing lunatics who went to the capitol at you were.
Speaker 2: Six gutter scum, yeah.
Speaker 3: Bad guy. And he would go around and he would
Speaker 3: film live streamers. Oh yeah. And you would go into
Speaker 3: like seven elevens and like accost people and harassed people,
Speaker 3: and people would like send him money over the like
Speaker 3: it was like a game they were playing. It's really
Speaker 3: kind of fascinating but also the most disgusting thing. And
Speaker 3: I called him out, and I was calling I was like,
Speaker 3: YouTube should not YouTubers. I was like, why why am
Speaker 3: I using YouTube?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: I love YouTube, yes, but they're also airing this like
Speaker 3: this nazi walking around like abusing people. Yeah so but
Speaker 3: of course that makes me come out like scold and
Speaker 3: all this. Anyways, I like riled up his crowd. They
Speaker 3: started coming after me. They were live streaming, like went
Speaker 3: to my old office and they're like going and so
Speaker 3: I was like really on edge. And the day that
Speaker 3: they went to my office, we were at home. It
Speaker 3: was Sunday, and I was watching this guy like which
Speaker 3: our office is like three miles away, and she was
Speaker 3: like live streaming out there like throwing. It was not
Speaker 3: it wasn't. He was an idiot and he wasn't like
Speaker 3: but it was like, oh god, this guy's like called
Speaker 3: the cops. I get this guy out of here right right.
Speaker 3: The office was closed. It was a Sunday, And about
Speaker 3: ten maybe like a half hour later, I get a
Speaker 3: bang bang bang on the door.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Before that, I asked my wife to make sure that
Speaker 3: our alarm was on sure right, so she I don't
Speaker 3: hear anything. I said, can you make sure that the
Speaker 3: alar like that this works because there's this guy like
Speaker 3: three miles away. I get a bang bang bang on
Speaker 3: the door. My kids are there. My mom is there.
Speaker 3: It's Sunday, she's there. I look out the window. We
Speaker 3: have a little peephole thing. I'm trying to think. I'm
Speaker 3: trying to get this.
Speaker 2: Order correct for our baked potato listener.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bang, bang bang. I say, get the fuck away
Speaker 3: from the door. Oh, get the fuck away, and they
Speaker 3: go it's the police. It's cop. And I'm screaming at them,
Speaker 3: and they're about to break through the.
Speaker 2: Door because I sus scenario.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is like a swatting thing. Yet there, you know,
Speaker 3: they're treating me like I'm barricading my family in the
Speaker 3: house of the shotgun. They don't know. And what happened
Speaker 3: was and eventually, like they show their badge, they open
Speaker 3: the fucking door, like you know, I don't know. I'm
Speaker 3: out of my mind, of course, and I opened the door.
Speaker 3: They sit me down. I don't. They don't handcuff, they
Speaker 3: sit me down. They have to clear they have to
Speaker 3: go in the house, make sure that nothing that there's
Speaker 3: that they like, they get everybody out of the house.
Speaker 3: They have to search the house. Helicopters are above. And
Speaker 3: what happened was my wife pressed the panic button this
Speaker 3: little fob and then her phone was dead. When they
Speaker 3: tried to call, which they do. They call, say is
Speaker 3: this an emergency? No one answers, and the protocols began.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 3: And the cops come and they just assumed the worst,
Speaker 3: that terribles happened. But three other cop cars come and
Speaker 3: then within about I would say thirty seconds, the cops
Speaker 3: started to understand what was going on, and I was,
Speaker 3: you know, under they explained it. But it could have
Speaker 3: gone could have.
Speaker 2: Been oh so so badly.
Speaker 3: But it did stem from this, like true, you know,
Speaker 3: fear of the lunatics out there right totally. I have
Speaker 3: to be a little careful about, like, yeah, keeping keeping
Speaker 3: the family.
Speaker 2: Safe, of course. And let me ask you this about that.
Speaker 2: Do they is there like a fine, do they charge
Speaker 2: you anything?
Speaker 3: They did not. I think that was I'm pretty sure
Speaker 3: that didn't happen. I think it might have been. There
Speaker 3: was a warning, don't do this, keep your phone charged. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Did you follow that story about the Weezer basis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a little bit. I don't know if we know
Speaker 3: everything about that story, do we?
Speaker 2: I don't know. All I know is there was a
Speaker 2: high speed chase. Yeah, and there's footage of the one
Speaker 2: of the suspects in someone's backyard. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you saw this, like trying to disguise himself as the
Speaker 2: person living there, and he's hosing down the garden like
Speaker 2: he's gardening.
Speaker 3: Oh that's smart and incredible idea. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then apparently she came out of the house and
Speaker 2: was holding a gun.
Speaker 3: Because why, that's what That's the big question.
Speaker 2: I guess you thought that there was something wrong that
Speaker 2: she had to defend herself from. And uh and then
Speaker 2: gets shot and then.
Speaker 3: Drop the gun.
Speaker 2: And she wouldn't drop the gun.
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you drop the gun?
Speaker 2: Great question?
Speaker 3: Bad morning, bad morning? Maybe was it in the morning?
Speaker 2: I think so? Okay, I mean I get I'm just
Speaker 2: saying this because when I found out it was the
Speaker 2: morning shows a lack of imagination would be in the
Speaker 2: middle of the night.
Speaker 3: But I don't know the.
Speaker 2: Footage of the guy hosing down there is daytime unless
Speaker 2: this was like a twenty four hours.
Speaker 3: Nothing to do with whatever Chase was going on. She's wrong.
Speaker 2: But this woman has led kind of an interesting life
Speaker 2: because I texted a friend and he said, oh, she
Speaker 2: was on my storytelling show in twenty eleven. Oh, she
Speaker 2: was in a harem. So she's got a whole life.
Speaker 2: She's got a very rich life, this woman, and now
Speaker 2: she's been shot and is now.
Speaker 3: I wonder I'm trying to think of like the bass
Speaker 3: player for Weezer. He probably makes a pretty good living, sure,
Speaker 3: but not probably maybe not as good as you. Right,
Speaker 3: she's like not a he's like a hired gun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not the song right right, he's not getting
Speaker 2: could be replaced at any moment.
Speaker 3: Yes, so he probably makes a nice away like a
Speaker 3: weekly like a salary right when they're on the road.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how does that work for when you're a you
Speaker 2: are a member of the band, you're on in all
Speaker 2: the press photos. Yeah, you must be contractually something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would think you're more. I don't know. It's
Speaker 3: different for every band from what I could tell, but
Speaker 3: there are band like I remember I heard the Rolling Stones,
Speaker 3: Like the only actual owners in like is Mick and Keith.
Speaker 2: That makes sense.
Speaker 3: But if you were the drummer and the bass player
Speaker 3: Bill Wyman or Charlie Watts ron Wood, you're you're just
Speaker 3: on your being paid a salary to be in the Stones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you don't really think about that. You
Speaker 2: just think everybody's part of the team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the money gets thrown into the pot in
Speaker 3: the middle of the table.
Speaker 2: Dive on split it up. Yeah. All I know is
Speaker 2: that the bass player played Coachella the next day.
Speaker 3: So it couldn't be that bad. Couldn't be that Do
Speaker 3: they have kids? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 2: I think there was a babysitter outside while this is happening,
Speaker 2: maybe from another house. I don't know. Again, I should
Speaker 2: have done a little more research before talking about it publicly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but these are the things that I kind of wah.
Speaker 3: Gap between what we're doing now and when this comes out.
Speaker 3: Do you guys try to keep it tight?
Speaker 2: That's a great question. Oh wait, Tentative released June thirty.
Speaker 2: That can't possibly be true.
Speaker 3: It's going to age like old milk.
Speaker 2: There's no that's wrong.
Speaker 3: Okay, that's wrong. Okay, Well they deleted the whole sentence
Speaker 3: that he's got a monitor here, and they deleted the
Speaker 3: whole sentence.
Speaker 2: They're shutting down the podcast as we speak. The episode
Speaker 2: will never be I imagine it's may ish good oh Ano,
Speaker 2: they're typing goodbye. So now now I think too much
Speaker 2: bomb enough is enough? I think two weeks from it'll
Speaker 2: still this will be definitely old Jews. Well, we will
Speaker 2: have all the facts of the case. Hopefully she'll be
Speaker 2: out on bail and maybe she can come to the podcast. Yes,
Speaker 2: missus uh shriner reach out.
Speaker 3: You know that? So you know? Now you know who's
Speaker 3: the bass player for Weezer.
Speaker 2: Well, this is the problem to him. Have a very
Speaker 2: complicated past with Weezer. You do growing up listening to Weezer,
Speaker 2: and then I was a real fan through high school. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and now just know everything about them forever, right, And
Speaker 2: so this guy was hired. Maybe he's like to.
Speaker 3: Tell you what I was a big fan of Weezer.
Speaker 2: Did you grow up listening to.
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't grow up listening to him. I was
Speaker 3: in college. Oh yeah, little older. So but I love
Speaker 3: that Blue album. That first album is so it's poor,
Speaker 3: so elemental. And on tour the last second to last
Speaker 3: night of tour, we didn't do this a lot, but
Speaker 3: everyone's in a while. We do like music. We'd play
Speaker 3: music in the on the bus after the show and
Speaker 3: we'd all sit around listen to music. And second to
Speaker 3: last night it was like we're listening to the whole
Speaker 3: Blue album and we everybody. Eight of us we sat
Speaker 3: there blasted it like we're at the concert and like
Speaker 3: sang through the whole record. Everybody knew it, everyone loved it,
Speaker 3: and we're like, there's just not a bad song on it.
Speaker 3: It's like a perfect.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's one of those rare things just beginning
Speaker 2: to end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but so I but then, you know, if they
Speaker 3: as as the kids say, they fell off.
Speaker 2: I think their first two albums are perfect, and then
Speaker 2: you know, you can't, you can't be great.
Speaker 3: The Green Album's good, The Green Album's fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun enough to listen, and they've they've written
Speaker 2: plenty of fun songs since. But you know, yeah, most musicians,
Speaker 2: the road gets bumpy eventually. Sure, Okay, I think we
Speaker 2: should play a game. We're going to play a game
Speaker 2: called Gift or a Curse. But I need a number
Speaker 2: between one and ten from you.
Speaker 3: Oh, easily eight eight.
Speaker 2: I love that number. I have to do some light
Speaker 2: calculating to get our game pieces. Right now. You can promote, recommend,
Speaker 2: do whatever you want. I'll be right back.
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Speaker 2: Get behind the boys.
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Speaker 2: You, listener. I already told you about Patreon, et cetera,
Speaker 2: et cetera. Chicago, don't forget, don't let us down. Okay, Tim,
Speaker 2: this is how we play Gift or a Curse. I'm
Speaker 2: going to name three things. You'll tell me if there
Speaker 2: are a gift or a curse and why, and then
Speaker 2: I'll tell you if you're right or wrong, because there
Speaker 2: are correct answers. You can lose the game, you can
Speaker 2: win the game. You can do fine. This first one
Speaker 2: is from one of our Patreon listeners, Randall Gift or
Speaker 2: a curse Life on Earth?
Speaker 3: It's a gift. Why I love it? I love living.
Speaker 3: I know I love living because I've been in situations
Speaker 3: where I thought I might die and I it was
Speaker 3: very upsetting to me. And the older I get, the
Speaker 3: more I am so disappointed that it comes to an end. Right,
Speaker 3: you know that it will come to an end, And
Speaker 3: it's a terrible deal actually to think that you will
Speaker 3: eventually not be around. So with that in mind, it's
Speaker 3: not always easy, and sometimes it's hard and not always pleasant.
Speaker 3: And I wish I didn't have to eat every day.
Speaker 3: I wish I didn't have to go to the bathroom
Speaker 3: all every twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: We've had to stop down the podcast ten times.
Speaker 3: I haven't gone. I mean I have to go, but
Speaker 3: I haven't stopped. At the end of the day, it
Speaker 3: all shakes out to being a gift, correct, thank you?
Speaker 2: I mean, of course, And I think this is right.
Speaker 2: With everything going on, it might be the obvious answer
Speaker 2: might be cursed.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm very blessed and lucky. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 3: there are people out there who feel like it's a curse.
Speaker 3: But I'm happy to not be one of those people.
Speaker 2: Right, I think ultimately there's a gift to be completely
Speaker 2: sincere and honest about this one. How could you not
Speaker 2: say unless? Yeah, I'm sure if people we're all having
Speaker 2: are relatively difficult times with whatever situation, but it's a gift, Randall,
Speaker 2: How dare you even put this on the list? Forget it? Okay,
Speaker 2: so you've gotten one correct so far.
Speaker 3: Let's gonna be the easy one.
Speaker 2: That's an easy oneye. This next one is from a
Speaker 2: listener named Emily. Gift or a curse going to bed
Speaker 2: with wet hair?
Speaker 3: Well, it's neither, but uh, for the if we're gonna,
Speaker 3: if we're gonna binary this, for me, it would be
Speaker 3: a curse. I don't like that feeling. Yeah, I don't generally.
Speaker 3: I generally shower in the morning, so it's not really
Speaker 3: an issue.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: If I was going to shower at night, I would
Speaker 3: dry my hair best as possible. I don't want to
Speaker 3: sleep on a wet pillow, obviously, right.
Speaker 2: Wrong curse, I mean I said curse. What you said curse?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm actually I was gonna say wrong gift. I
Speaker 2: was so excited to tell you you're wrong. Unfortunately, I'm
Speaker 2: on record on this podcast is saying taking a shower
Speaker 2: at night is a gift, and so I find I
Speaker 2: feel like I kind of have to go. This lines
Speaker 2: up with that. It means you got to take a
Speaker 2: shower at night, which is lovely.
Speaker 3: Your such work for me that at the end of
Speaker 3: the day or the end of the you know, at
Speaker 3: the end of the night, I'm already in bed, I
Speaker 3: lie down in bed, I start watching things, listening to things,
Speaker 3: and the idea of getting up and showering, it's like,
Speaker 3: that's how I start my life, sorry, start my day.
Speaker 3: My wife takes showers at night.
Speaker 2: Though, so it can be I don't shower at night
Speaker 2: every night, but it's like a little treat. It feels
Speaker 2: nice on occasion because there's no utility to it, you know,
Speaker 2: it's just I'm doing this just because to relax. Whereas
Speaker 2: in the morning, you know, I'm well, I still have
Speaker 2: endless time during the day, but I have to get
Speaker 2: things started. I have to actually be clean and go
Speaker 2: out into the world, whereas at night I can get
Speaker 2: my hair wet and lie down on a pillow and
Speaker 2: start the mildew growing.
Speaker 3: You have very short hair, fairly short hair being an issue,
Speaker 3: and yours is really long. Yeah, it's a lot of hair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see why someone might have a problem
Speaker 2: going to bed with soaking, wet hair, but I don't.
Speaker 2: I think it's a gift. Finally, this is from a
Speaker 2: listener named joe Anne. Gift or a curse using a
Speaker 2: kitchen knife to open a box.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll see it's I'll just have again. It's right
Speaker 3: down the middle. It's not ideal, it's not the end
Speaker 3: of the world. It's probably what I do half the time,
Speaker 3: Like a steak knife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like i'msuring not a bread knife.
Speaker 3: Yay, do it you throw it in the sink, throw
Speaker 3: in the dishwasher if you really, you know, why not?
Speaker 3: Just it's probably fine. So I'd say it's a gift
Speaker 3: because it's convenient. You're not searching around for like one
Speaker 3: of those you know, work not utility knives or something.
Speaker 3: Is that a exact o, exact exactly, thank.
Speaker 2: You, correct gift? What else? What else is anybody using
Speaker 2: to open up box? This is the only knife I ever,
Speaker 2: This is the only knife I own.
Speaker 3: Yeah, day to day knives. You can take a scissor
Speaker 3: and open it up and right.
Speaker 2: I don't mind the scissor. Yeah, but even then that
Speaker 2: is a trip to the junk drawer, and my knives
Speaker 2: are just there on the counter, and there's kind of
Speaker 2: a danger, kind of a thrill. I don't see anything
Speaker 2: wrong with it. I think, yeah, mild thrill, but you
Speaker 2: have to look for mild thrills. Well, you got two
Speaker 2: out of three great, not absolutely horrible.
Speaker 3: No, that's pretty good, decent.
Speaker 2: Well, I think we should answer a listener question people
Speaker 2: are sending in the voice notes the emails to I said,
Speaker 2: no gives at gmail dot com. Could we play one
Speaker 2: of those.
Speaker 4: H'm bridger and scurrilous, guest. I think that's a word.
Speaker 4: I am calling in because I have a query for you.
Speaker 4: I still have my ex husband's last name, but I
Speaker 4: would like to change it before I have a baby,
Speaker 4: and I don't know what to change it to. My
Speaker 4: maiden name doesn't quite feel right anymore, and I need
Speaker 4: some suggestions for what my new last name should be.
Speaker 4: Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks.
Speaker 3: Starting to get why this marriage didn't work out.
Speaker 2: This person needs a new last name and they've turned to.
Speaker 3: Us well, and also, what's wrong with the originally to
Speaker 3: go back to your original last name.
Speaker 2: I guess she's a new person. I just found a
Speaker 2: new chapter.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the things. These these are the unknown unknowns.
Speaker 3: We don't know her first name, do we?
Speaker 2: No? Not? She didn't mention it.
Speaker 3: So what are we doing? What are we working? We're
Speaker 3: working with We're in the docuum, We're we're working in
Speaker 3: the dark.
Speaker 2: What would you change your last name too?
Speaker 3: I wouldn't change my last name. I'm not I don't
Speaker 3: care about I don't you don't. I don't have any tattoos,
Speaker 3: I don't any piercings. I don't care about any of that.
Speaker 3: I don't care about my identity. You want to call
Speaker 3: me a woman, I don't care. Years ago, I happen
Speaker 3: to be a man who gives a ship.
Speaker 2: Ibout forty years ago, you and I would have both
Speaker 2: had to change our last names for show business.
Speaker 3: Ah, yes, Tim Heidecker, I never loved that name.
Speaker 2: Hard name to pronounce.
Speaker 3: Or Yeah, your name's a burden, it's a mess. Uh yeah,
Speaker 3: tim uh tim uh. Miller, that's a nice name.
Speaker 2: It's a safe guy. Tim Jones Miller Jones are both
Speaker 2: nice last names that this person could take on.
Speaker 3: That my Miller is my mother's my grandmother's maiden name.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh that's a nice name. Why not?
Speaker 3: I mean this there is a Tim Miller is like
Speaker 3: a political he's like as a political guy.
Speaker 2: Good or bad.
Speaker 3: He's good. He was like a Republican who's gone anti Trump.
Speaker 2: Good for him?
Speaker 3: Who's gay?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 3: Gay? It's like when my dad would say, like, he's
Speaker 3: this guy is actually gay. But he's like, but it's
Speaker 3: not bad. He's not bad.
Speaker 2: He's nice enough.
Speaker 3: He's a really nice guy.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to hang out with him. Uh, Miller Mill,
Speaker 2: Tim Miller. That's a nice last name. Obviously, wine girl
Speaker 2: or hide is a name she could take on.
Speaker 3: Again, not knowing the first name is criminal.
Speaker 2: It's a huge mister.
Speaker 3: Can we find out? Did this? Is there an email?
Speaker 2: Actually I can?
Speaker 3: I just see here.
Speaker 2: I forwarded the email earlier.
Speaker 3: Because if you had a first name, we could work
Speaker 3: with that I could play around with.
Speaker 2: My idea is Sarah Jane. That's the name, Sarah Jane,
Speaker 2: Sarah Jane, Sarah Jane Carter, Sarah Jane Carter. That's a
Speaker 2: nice that seems almost a little house.
Speaker 3: Yes, ingles, we could do Sarah j Ingles.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 3: You don't want to do who's the the the oh
Speaker 3: Nelly Olsen? Yeah, Sarah Jane Olsen.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you don't want to be part of the
Speaker 2: Olsen family.
Speaker 3: I think Sarah Jane Potter, Sarah Jane Carter, Sarah Jane Miller, Cruise,
Speaker 3: Sarah Jane Cruse. I don't like that.
Speaker 2: Cruise is a made up last name, isn't it Tom Cruise?
Speaker 2: That's real last name.
Speaker 3: I think it is his real name, but I don't
Speaker 3: really know.
Speaker 2: No, I think he has like kind of a strange,
Speaker 2: like a last name that's hard.
Speaker 3: To spell or oh really, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Now I'm going to look it up because now I'm embarrassed.
Speaker 2: Let's see Tom Tom Cruise.
Speaker 3: There should be a rule, a law that podcasts aren't
Speaker 3: allowed to look things up.
Speaker 2: Everything just has to be kind of sent out into
Speaker 2: the public.
Speaker 3: Check.
Speaker 2: His middle name is Cruse. His last name is my
Speaker 2: pother Mapither.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that is a mess and he's the fourth. Wow.
Speaker 2: Well then Sarah Jane Cruise, Mypather the fourth. There we go.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 2: How would you pronounce m A p O t h
Speaker 2: e R MAPI my pother? Yeah, I can see why
Speaker 2: he got rid of that. Ah, Sarah Jane, We've given
Speaker 2: you several options.
Speaker 3: I feel like, yeah, we've done our due diligence.
Speaker 2: S Thompson. I'm just looking around the room, Sarah JM.
Speaker 3: Sarah Jane Thompson's nice. It is nice.
Speaker 2: That's a strong name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing.
Speaker 2: I'll say. Find a name that people can immediately identify
Speaker 2: and bell and pronounce. Don't curse yourself with some difficult thing.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, I mean I do a lot of casting
Speaker 3: with this in this commercial. I'm a very the epidemic
Speaker 3: that it's occurring. Forget all the stuff that RFK Junior
Speaker 3: is talking about, the epidemic of names of young people.
Speaker 2: Now, what are you hearing?
Speaker 3: Bryson and uh I can't, I don't. You don't remember
Speaker 3: them because they're they're not they're unfamiliar to you. Well,
Speaker 3: you're raiding.
Speaker 2: You're talking to a bridger, which that's true. To be fair, say.
Speaker 3: These are there's way worse ones, and people know what
Speaker 3: I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: I think Utah and uh Utah culture is kind of
Speaker 2: the ground zero for a lot of these names. Famously,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of creative names coming out of Utah.
Speaker 2: For whatever reason, I.
Speaker 3: Wish I could remember these names. I saw like a
Speaker 3: hundred of them, Like, this is just such a burden
Speaker 3: for these kids as they get older, they're gonna have
Speaker 3: to get what is that again?
Speaker 2: Abreno was a nick you nurse and the names that
Speaker 2: she was coming across nick nurse, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like Neo. Oh god, I thought you said her name
Speaker 3: was is nick nurse?
Speaker 2: My sister Nick nurse? I never heard that one the
Speaker 2: name she would provide, there was somebody named Americus. Someone
Speaker 2: named their daughter Americus, which.
Speaker 3: I don't like it.
Speaker 2: I don't love to hear.
Speaker 3: And now let me just retract and say every I love.
Speaker 3: I love a big, beautiful, diverse world.
Speaker 2: And of course names are just sounds and stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're stupid, made up words. But some are way more
Speaker 2: stupid than others, I would say, in our opinion, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, and they're ultimately Harry, Tom Dick, and Harry
Speaker 2: what happened to Tom? Sally, Jane, Sue, Mary Show.
Speaker 3: Those are the four names you can choose from. That's it.
Speaker 3: At the at the hospital and a baby you should
Speaker 3: have like eight names to choose from.
Speaker 2: It's like picking a license plate. Whatever. Well, we answered
Speaker 2: the question perfectly. Sarah Jane, good luck. Don't send another
Speaker 2: thing back in I can't hear back from you. Tim.
Speaker 2: I have this lovely book to put on my bookshelf.
Speaker 2: Now I'll read at least your intro, yes, and we'll
Speaker 2: see how I feel about that and see where I
Speaker 2: go from there. And I've had a lovely time with you.
Speaker 3: That was great.
Speaker 2: Thank you, real pleasure. Thank you for having me listener.
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