Speaker 1: Windingo World Series with a sixty million dollar player on
Speaker 1: the bench would have to be more impressive than anything
Speaker 1: the Dodgers have done the last two years.
Speaker 2: Hey, with this guy here on this channel, I better say,
Speaker 2: coming at you live from my home studio and beautiful
Speaker 2: Love Point d California. This is Dodgers territory. I know,
Speaker 2: wrong channel, Guys. The Dodgers have won a baseball game.
Speaker 2: It's a good day. It's a good day. You take
Speaker 2: two of three in Philly, and I have my guy
Speaker 2: Noah Cameras joining me. Throwback Wednesday here or way back
Speaker 2: Wednesday here on this edition of the show.
Speaker 3: Been a long time, buddy.
Speaker 2: Obviously, we've been talking here, chopping it up while the
Speaker 2: Dodgers have been doing work in Philly. Guys, sound off
Speaker 2: in the comments, let you know, let us know what
Speaker 2: you think about the team, about the game, all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. I should note he's in for Alana,
Speaker 2: who's on vacation. Rizz will be back on Monday. Me
Speaker 2: and Katie will be here tomorrow Thursday. But yeah, quick
Speaker 2: instant thoughts this game, this series and all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff before we really dive into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, first, thanks so much, for having me super
Speaker 1: excited to just pinch it today. And yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously to go into Philly take two out of three.
Speaker 1: Obviously take two out of three from New York too.
Speaker 1: It's a really great start to the second half. And
Speaker 1: you can't say enough good things about Tommy admind, just
Speaker 1: the impact he's made in the lineup. And also you
Speaker 1: got to keep giving credit to Eric lower Man. I mean,
Speaker 1: all he does is do his job for this Dodgers team,
Speaker 1: and at some point, you know he's gonna be an
Speaker 1: unsung MVP for them considering what he's done as a
Speaker 1: sixth starter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll talk a lot of Eric lower We
Speaker 2: have probably maybe some differing opinions on the hour. With
Speaker 2: the trade deadline coming up, let's get into some of
Speaker 2: the notes of the game here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, offense, I've missed this.
Speaker 2: You know, they had a good game where they put
Speaker 2: up what I mean seven runs late in the first game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: had had a nice movie because of movie, but you
Speaker 2: know here to be scoring early and often. You saw
Speaker 2: a big difference in this game in that it wasn't
Speaker 2: just the usual suspects. We saw Dalton rushing wake back
Speaker 2: up and you mentioned Tommy Edmund doing something for this team.
Speaker 2: I mean, I really want to focus on the rushing.
Speaker 2: Max Munsey, who we keep talking about over this road trip,
Speaker 2: has been hot. Another two run homer off of an
Speaker 2: ace or at least a former ace in Aaron Nola there.
Speaker 2: Talk about rushing here. Because this is a guy, obviously
Speaker 2: he's an internet darling. We will say solo homer top
Speaker 2: third there snaps an over nineteen streak, first homer since July. Second,
Speaker 2: does a forty one played appearance stretch. Later in the game,
Speaker 2: we have the two run double there. All this comes
Speaker 2: after he tells I think it was Bryson Stott at
Speaker 2: second phase, like get the half back and all of that.
Speaker 3: This is a guy. We know, this kid needs to
Speaker 3: play with fire.
Speaker 2: And it felt like after you know, the most recent
Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess bs with him.
Speaker 3: He kind of was playing d nutted.
Speaker 2: I was talking last night at my All Dodgers show
Speaker 2: that you know we were missing he was missing his mojo.
Speaker 3: Bro go does mojo back?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like you said that over nineteen skid,
Speaker 1: you know it's gonna get you a little. They're definitely
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to say they working him into
Speaker 1: the ground, but it was pretty rare for him to
Speaker 1: be getting days off at this point. Finally, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously the double Edtery in play Sunday, and then he
Speaker 1: got yesterday off, which was you know, surprise, concerned how
Speaker 1: often he's been playing, which I think he needed it,
Speaker 1: and then he comes back with a little bit, like
Speaker 1: you said, a little bit of a vengeance. He gets
Speaker 1: the home run. I love the swing on that double,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean I do feel like that that
Speaker 1: moment with Stott. It's like, I mean, maybe it's gonna
Speaker 1: go viral on Drumboy because they always want to do that,
Speaker 1: but oh, either way, liked it. It definitely shows a
Speaker 1: little bit of that fire, that playfulness that he kind
Speaker 1: of needs, which means he finally looks relaxed again, which
Speaker 1: is what they need because they do have to keep
Speaker 1: running him into the ground for the next however long
Speaker 1: until will Smith is out unless they do something at
Speaker 1: the deadline. But yeah, I definitely love to see that
Speaker 1: from him. And he also moved down to the ninth
Speaker 1: spot today. He's really he's really been hitting the eighth
Speaker 1: and then they moved him down to ninth with Edmond
Speaker 1: Uptathe and obviously it or so you definitely love what
Speaker 1: you see from him today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and here we have on the screen last ten games.
Speaker 2: This is including today a multi hit game hidden you know,
Speaker 2: under one hundred zero eight seven doesn't matter. It's about
Speaker 2: what you did for us today and what you do
Speaker 2: tomorrow all that kind of stuff. So hopefully this is
Speaker 2: a big wake up call for him because you saw,
Speaker 2: i mean early on in this game the offense was
Speaker 2: kind of looking stagnant again, and they kind of have
Speaker 2: It's that time a season. You know, we've been through
Speaker 2: this a number of times together and not together.
Speaker 3: This is the time of the season world. We're checked out.
Speaker 3: The team has checked out. We're a little checked out.
Speaker 2: Maybe they don't have the maximum focus, maybe they're tired
Speaker 2: after back to back you know, world series runs and
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. Not even maybe they one
Speaker 2: hundred percent are. Yeah that Dalton wasn't necessarily a massive
Speaker 2: part of that, but.
Speaker 3: You know, finding.
Speaker 2: Offense in different spots. You know, you don't have Tao
Speaker 2: necessarily hitting right now. You haven't had much from Tucker
Speaker 2: all season. Mookie has been at times a black hole
Speaker 2: at times on fire. You have to have that production
Speaker 2: down the lineup and having it back to back today
Speaker 2: with you know her guys, Yeah, Tommy Edmund and Dalton Rushing.
Speaker 2: That's where you get yourself the type of game, yeah,
Speaker 2: where you know Dodger's gonna put nine points on the board.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I like you said, the top of the lineup
Speaker 1: wasn't really the one care I mean show Hey, he
Speaker 1: did hit the ball hard, but he went oh for four.
Speaker 1: You know you're not seeing it from Tucker. Like you said,
Speaker 1: Mookie had the great game a couple of days ago.
Speaker 1: But hey, if the if the bottom of the lineup
Speaker 1: keeps doing that, you know it's gonna it's gonna answer
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about what this team needs to
Speaker 1: do at the deadline, because the answer is going to
Speaker 1: be not much, at least on the offensive side of things,
Speaker 1: because even if Kyle Tucker continues to be below average,
Speaker 1: they're able to make up for it with you know,
Speaker 1: mister Tommy Tanks and again I mean don't rush. He
Speaker 1: is a key piece because without Will Smith, I mean
Speaker 1: Will Smith being a hitting catcher is such a bonus
Speaker 1: for this team. And you know he's usually in your
Speaker 1: three holes somewhere up there, so you really need rushing.
Speaker 1: You know, he gets off to the hot start kind
Speaker 1: of plateaued, but he is a pretty important piece. Without him,
Speaker 1: then you do kind of start to have a pretty
Speaker 1: big black hole in the lineup. So you know, it's
Speaker 1: as important as ever to have him. And I mean,
Speaker 1: you just can't find of good things about Tommy Edmond though.
Speaker 1: I mean, all he's doing is hitting for this team
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 4: It's it's really something to.
Speaker 2: Say, Yeah, it's another three hit game from Tommy Edmond.
Speaker 2: Let me scroll down find my Tommy Edmund notes, because
Speaker 2: it has been impressive.
Speaker 3: I don't remember where I put.
Speaker 2: Him, but I think it's something like nine multi hit
Speaker 2: games in his twenty eight games back or something like.
Speaker 2: He has just been so damn consistent with a three
Speaker 2: hit game today. There it is, Yeah, nine in twenty
Speaker 2: eight games, one of those being a four hit game.
Speaker 3: And you know, I've talked about this a lot.
Speaker 2: The difference of healthy ankle makes you know, we we
Speaker 2: saw him go out there and win that NLCS MVP.
Speaker 2: Maybe some of that was a little bit of smoking mirrors.
Speaker 2: Maybe that is the real deal with Tommy Edmund. I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody saw this version of Tommy Edmund. But now,
Speaker 2: like this is where I was telling you earlier, Like
Speaker 2: I think yesterday morning, I woke up and I kind
Speaker 2: of had this this feeling of dread deep in the
Speaker 2: pit of my stomach, of which there is plenty of
Speaker 2: about you know, just there's something that's not I don't
Speaker 2: want to say it's not right about this team or
Speaker 2: different about the team, but I didn't have the same
Speaker 2: good feelings about this team as I've had probably with
Speaker 2: like last year.
Speaker 3: Maybe even the year before that.
Speaker 2: Even when everybody's not you know, streaking together, riding together,
Speaker 2: hitting well together, they still find ways to win. But
Speaker 2: seeing Tommy Edmund produce and knowing that at some point
Speaker 2: in time Show Hay is going to go back to
Speaker 2: being show.
Speaker 3: Hey, Freddie's gonna.
Speaker 2: Do more of what he's done, you know, a multi
Speaker 2: hit game for him as well, a couple of doubles
Speaker 2: in there for Fredward Freeman Muns.
Speaker 3: He is absolutely on fire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get Tao going and you get maybe something
Speaker 2: out of Tucker. This is a very very dangerous lineup,
Speaker 2: and that's where you suddenly you feel I just get
Speaker 2: as we've felt a lot. You just get a little healthy,
Speaker 2: get a couple of pitchers back and then you're locked
Speaker 2: in for that postseason run.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you think about if Kyle Tucker
Speaker 1: even has like a one to twenty WRC plus this year.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about this team being historically great,
Speaker 1: but he's not even average right now. So that's kind
Speaker 1: of the one question of I don't know that maybe
Speaker 1: some of that dread and you're feeling is just of
Speaker 1: that that weird black hole in the lineup. He's making
Speaker 1: sixty million dollars a year that it's just not not
Speaker 1: similar that the Dodgers usually have. But you know, I
Speaker 1: mean what last yeard it was conforida you at least say, okay,
Speaker 1: you know he's only making whatever was seventeen nineteen, I
Speaker 1: forget exactly.
Speaker 2: Oh god, people were still so pissed about that too,
Speaker 2: And of course.
Speaker 1: Then you're still but then you you triple that, almost
Speaker 1: quadruple that, and you got Kyle Tucker doing pretty much
Speaker 1: the same thing, and it becomes a little more of
Speaker 1: a concern. But yeah, I think I think the Tommy
Speaker 1: Eddon good vibes are there, and you know, you got
Speaker 1: Keicky Hernandez back next week.
Speaker 4: He's gonna I.
Speaker 1: Mean he's he's four for four this year, you know, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and he hasn't gone out yet, so you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna get good stuff from him. And then the trade
Speaker 1: deadlines right after, which it's exciting to see what they
Speaker 1: may or may not do. But it's always fun to
Speaker 1: add a piece because then at least you have something
Speaker 1: new to energize you a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all eyes.
Speaker 2: I mean, as as we've talked about a lot here
Speaker 2: on the channel, particularly myself and and Katie Wu.
Speaker 3: You know, we always have.
Speaker 2: To talk about they're gonna have a great deadline because
Speaker 2: you're getting Blake Snell back, You're gonna probably maybe get
Speaker 2: Tommy Edmund I mean Tommy Tyler glasnow back, you're gonna
Speaker 2: get you know.
Speaker 3: So on so forth. You're adding Edwin Diaz next week
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 2: Still, so there's kind of your spark getting Kik one
Speaker 2: hundred percent as a spark. We'll figure out we'll talk
Speaker 2: a little bit more deadline a little bit later. One
Speaker 2: more piece on the offensive side. I mentioned a couple
Speaker 2: of times, but Maxwell Steven Munsey another homer two run
Speaker 2: bomba for him twentieth on the year. Bro has been
Speaker 2: on fire on this road trip, a couple of homers
Speaker 2: in there, the Ribby's, Uh, well, I think I thought
Speaker 2: it was three homers for Mounsie. But either way, he's
Speaker 2: been he's been locked in and again you get Munsie,
Speaker 2: you get Munsie in there, and again just those other guys.
Speaker 2: If you can have tail Or Tucker also hitting, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is a frightening line up.
Speaker 3: Man, that's scary.
Speaker 1: Ut Yeah, I mean, I mean, Max Monsey's always been
Speaker 1: the guy, you know, he's if he's going, the Dodgers
Speaker 1: are going, which is crazy to think about when you
Speaker 1: have Mookie Freddie show.
Speaker 4: Hey, you know, Andy.
Speaker 1: Po's having an All Star season, but once he's always
Speaker 1: just been that guy to run producer. If he's going,
Speaker 1: this team is out, he's gonna stir the drink. And man,
Speaker 1: it's been such such a season from him.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Obviously he gets rewarded with the All Star Game, and
Speaker 1: then he comes back in the second half and it
Speaker 1: just picks up right where he left off. And the
Speaker 1: second he hits that home run, you're just like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're gonna win this game now. I mean, it's to
Speaker 1: go ahead home run. It's something he's continued to do
Speaker 1: all year. Hitting that big go ahead home run, and
Speaker 1: like you said, against the former ace Aaron Nola, who
Speaker 1: you know, the five to two, we are just flashed
Speaker 1: on the He's not the same, but you know once
Speaker 1: he does against anybody, I mean's he's just having that
Speaker 1: good of the year and it doesn't matter who the
Speaker 1: picture is because at this point he's just he's gonna
Speaker 1: have that big hit for this team. And it seems
Speaker 1: like more often than not one to have a big hit.
Speaker 4: It's been monthly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got more, we got it.
Speaker 2: We haven't even touched the surface when it comes to
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Speaker 2: think introduce you. Everybody who might maybe is here knows you,
Speaker 2: knows our history, knows we've done this before together in
Speaker 2: the past.
Speaker 3: But this guy, he is the publisher. He runs what
Speaker 3: do they actually call it now, You're run the Dodgers SI.
Speaker 2: Yes, so one of the the biggest and best site
Speaker 2: I trust. And there are plenty of Dodgers, you know,
Speaker 2: blogs and news sites and all that kind of stuff
Speaker 2: out there independently run. This guy is at least a
Speaker 2: likable figure. I'll tell you that much read his stuff.
Speaker 2: Not anybody else's. But we'll move on from that. We'll
Speaker 2: talk about Eric Lower because that's another guy I really
Speaker 2: like on the Dodger side of thing. He has just
Speaker 2: been another one of those Brandon Gomes Andrew Friedman pickups.
Speaker 2: It's like, there's no there's no reason. Yeah, you should
Speaker 2: have a what three a d R A and a
Speaker 2: Dodgers uniform consistently giving you quality starts. He's not great,
Speaker 2: he's not in Cy Young contention, but where would this team.
Speaker 3: Be without him?
Speaker 2: Five and a third, four hits, three earned on the board,
Speaker 2: five k's two homers and that's after two week layoff,
Speaker 2: you know, victim of the of the All Star break here.
Speaker 2: But yeah, just he has been fantastic for this team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna call it stupid in the most complimentary
Speaker 1: a possible. It is stupid what Eric Klawer is doing.
Speaker 1: I mean, he has a I want to get it
Speaker 1: exactly right. He had a six point six y nine
Speaker 1: ERA with the Blue Jays and they get him in
Speaker 1: May after he's DFA and all he's done is helped
Speaker 1: the Dodgers win. Now, you know, Pitcher wins aren't what
Speaker 1: they used to be. Now he's four o as a Dodger.
Speaker 1: The more important stat The Dodgers are eight to o
Speaker 1: when Eric Lauer starts Slash the one game he had
Speaker 1: behind an opener, So they are eight and oh when
Speaker 1: Eric Klauwer pitches bulginnings for them this year. You can't
Speaker 1: ask for anything more from a six starter. You can't
Speaker 1: ask anything more from any starter. You know, if a
Speaker 1: team is eight and oh when you're pitching, it clearly
Speaker 1: means you're doing something right. Yeah, maybe some of the
Speaker 1: times the offense picks him up, but for the most
Speaker 1: part they don't need to, because if he's giving three
Speaker 1: or fewer runs up every time with this offense, that's
Speaker 1: enough to win a game. And all he's done is
Speaker 1: enough to win a game for them and eat any
Speaker 1: and fill the rotation need. And you know, show Hey
Speaker 1: goes down.
Speaker 4: You don't have Snell, you don't have Glass.
Speaker 1: Now you're a little concerned about where they're going to be,
Speaker 1: and now you have Eric Lauer, who's all of a
Speaker 1: sudden one of their best starters, which is crazy to
Speaker 1: think about, but he is truly. I mean, you feel
Speaker 1: there's two guys right now who you probably feel more
Speaker 1: comfortable with, and Yamamoto and Robleski. After that, you probably
Speaker 1: feel more comfortable with flour, which is just a crazy
Speaker 1: thing to think about, but that's what they've done. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's stupid that Andrew Friedman and Brandon
Speaker 1: Gomes and the rest.
Speaker 2: Of them did this, but I mean it worked. It
Speaker 2: really were That's what they do, and it's always funny.
Speaker 2: They just find a way to find some guys that
Speaker 2: maybe need a little bit of a tweak, a little.
Speaker 3: Bit of adjustment.
Speaker 2: It's not even like, hey, we're going to change your
Speaker 2: delivery and all of this or add a pitch. Maybe
Speaker 2: sometimes it's ad a pitch, you know, change a grip
Speaker 2: to make a slider a sweeper or something like that.
Speaker 2: For him, it's just, you know, use this stuff, go
Speaker 2: out there and pitch. Trust your stuff, you know, pit,
Speaker 2: throw what the guys are putting down for you. Trust
Speaker 2: your guy behind the blade, you know. Shout out Dahl Rushing,
Speaker 2: who's also called really good games these I think caught
Speaker 2: the bulk now of Eric Lawers. Uh starts there Dodger
Speaker 2: Dog and the chat saying he's just holding a roster
Speaker 2: spot for Snell and Glass. Now at one point he
Speaker 2: was Yeah, for sure, I mean, yeah, gun to my head,
Speaker 2: I'm taking him over him. But she in at this
Speaker 2: point and you know, you don't even need like, bro,
Speaker 2: don't even take the gun out. I'm good, like you know,
Speaker 2: he I like what Lawer has given this team.
Speaker 3: Beyond that, you know, it's it's what we keep hearing
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 2: And I know my my co host here, Katie Wu,
Speaker 2: has written about it a lot on The Athletic. She
Speaker 2: still sees a path as do other people, still seeing
Speaker 2: a path to where uh this guy is traded. He
Speaker 2: is obviously he has been one of those guys. They
Speaker 2: they brought him in, they fixed him, and then he
Speaker 2: is somebody who could be moved for I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's another Dalton rushing time, I mean Dustin May
Speaker 2: type of Hall at the deadline. But you could absolutely
Speaker 2: get get a Hall, absolutely get a Hall from a
Speaker 2: team that's looking to get one of the very easily
Speaker 2: acquireable you know, ale wild card spots or something like that.
Speaker 3: Should they and why would they.
Speaker 2: Actually trade this guy because it just feels like, why
Speaker 2: would you give that up?
Speaker 4: Right now?
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 1: So it's a weird one because it's at the one hand,
Speaker 1: it's this guy is probably your third best starting pitcher
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 4: He's not even the number six starter.
Speaker 1: He's the number three star concernering how he's pitching right now,
Speaker 1: and you know they're waiting on Snow.
Speaker 4: He's going to be back sooner.
Speaker 1: They're weighing on class now. It's kind of a mayde
Speaker 1: with Glass now and then show, Hey, really the biggest
Speaker 1: maybe of you know that it's gonna be careful with him,
Speaker 1: So why do they trade him?
Speaker 4: Is kind of the question. Now, I think we might
Speaker 4: disagree on this. I think you have to trade Lower,
Speaker 4: and I know that doesn't make so much tiense. He's
Speaker 4: spearing what I just said before that. But the thing
Speaker 4: with trading Lower.
Speaker 1: In my opinion is, yeah, he's going to help you
Speaker 1: get through the regular season. But yeah, they already won
Speaker 1: the NL West at this point. Yes, they're they're fighting
Speaker 1: from the number one seed, but you kind of feel
Speaker 1: pretty good with where.
Speaker 4: They're at now.
Speaker 1: And Lower, if everyone's healthy, obviously he has nowhere to
Speaker 1: be in the rotation or probably the postseason bullpen. Even
Speaker 1: if not everyone's healthy. I don't I just don't know
Speaker 1: how much you want Lower. He's probably not going to
Speaker 1: be in the rotation in the bullpen, as you know,
Speaker 1: someone his one issue this year has been giving up
Speaker 1: home runs. He doesn't get swing and mess, he doesn't
Speaker 1: get the strikeouts, and those are the things that play
Speaker 1: up in the postseason. So it just kind of seems
Speaker 1: to me, you know, he's going to be a free
Speaker 1: agent at the end of the year, so I am
Speaker 1: one hundred percent certa and he won't be in a
Speaker 1: Dodger uniform in twenty twenty seven. Can maybe ninety nine
Speaker 1: percent sirt, but you know he's not gonna be a
Speaker 1: Dodger next year, and it's almost one of those why
Speaker 1: not replenish the farm with him. I don't think you
Speaker 1: get as much as he got for May, but I
Speaker 1: think he still get a little bit because he's pitching
Speaker 1: better than May was. And at the same time, I
Speaker 1: think they also have to then go trade for somebody
Speaker 1: else to fill his role. So I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a trade him just for the same thing of prospect.
Speaker 1: I think it's get somebody else who you kind of
Speaker 1: envision maybe playing in October. But I do think that
Speaker 1: it's it almost makes too much sense to trade cash
Speaker 1: for him, flip him for a prospect too then become
Speaker 1: your next James Tibbs, and then also make sure you're
Speaker 1: still getting someone to fill that role this year. But
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just think it makes too much time.
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 2: I think in a vacuum it makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: I gotta trade here, bad bad ex beats in the
Speaker 2: chat saying Eric Lauer.
Speaker 3: For Trek Scougle.
Speaker 2: You know who says no, Yeah, I mean you made
Speaker 2: him an a's already as it is.
Speaker 1: Obviously it's it's two rental, so it's kind of like
Speaker 1: it's it's a wash. Uh.
Speaker 2: The thing, the reason I I feel more strongly about
Speaker 2: holding on to him is the fact that Justin Rableski
Speaker 2: is about to hit a career high an innings pitch
Speaker 2: and there's still two more months of baseball plus a
Speaker 2: postseason to be played.
Speaker 3: You don't really know the status of Tyler Glass. Now.
Speaker 2: I feel pretty strongly that Blake Snell is going to
Speaker 2: come back, and when he's back, he'll be there for
Speaker 2: the stretch run because hey, shoulder, shoulder is going to
Speaker 2: be feeling better, elbow's feeling better, all that kind of stuff. Also,
Speaker 2: the situation with with Otani who I wouldn't say shockingly,
Speaker 2: but through a bullpen today at at this Bank Park,
Speaker 2: thirty four pitch or thirty one pitches and then three
Speaker 2: also to the catcher standing up, which.
Speaker 3: Weird if this was supposed to be your starting to
Speaker 3: just throw bro But.
Speaker 2: Just that like like knowing that they don't have the
Speaker 2: depth that they usually would have at this point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: River Ryan is the reason you can't trade Eric Lawer
Speaker 2: in my opinion, If River Ryan is happy and healthy
Speaker 2: and bouncing and able to go out there and give
Speaker 2: you, you know, four or five six innings every six days
Speaker 2: in the Dodgers rotation, see what you have in him.
Speaker 2: See if all the things that I feel in my
Speaker 2: heart about River Ryan are real on the Big League
Speaker 2: mound again like they were, you know whatever it was
Speaker 2: two years ago, then I feel better about potentially moving
Speaker 2: Eric Lawer. But right now, just the state of depth
Speaker 2: in the starting rotation. You can't move a dude who.
Speaker 3: Posts every six days and like.
Speaker 2: You mentioned, there ain't no in his starts like that
Speaker 2: that means something. He's just he's a proven winner.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I mean that's the thing. It's like, like
Speaker 1: I almost contradict my argument. When I say, like, he's
Speaker 1: been so good and also they should trade him. But
Speaker 1: for me, it's just, you know, I mean, I just
Speaker 1: don't see a world. Yeah, you know, I didn't don't
Speaker 1: see a world in which he makes an impact in
Speaker 1: the postseason. And this is a team that always has
Speaker 1: its eyeset on the postseason.
Speaker 4: And because of.
Speaker 1: That, it's hey, why not again. I think it's with
Speaker 1: the caveat is that they're getting someone else too, that
Speaker 1: they're getting another picture who can eat any is because yeah,
Speaker 1: like you said, River rhyme, I mean that hamstring in
Speaker 1: Tree really screwed them over.
Speaker 4: I mean it just that that's a bummer.
Speaker 1: It sucks for River, it sucks for the Dodgers. And
Speaker 1: then you know, Landon Natch just hasn't developed into I
Speaker 1: think what they thought he'd be and you can't trust
Speaker 1: him to go out. And then the other guy who's
Speaker 1: in that same Boata's River with the injuries is Gavin Stone.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the guy who you expected to be
Speaker 1: back this year and he's nowhere to be found.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 4: Like so it's one of those things of all this
Speaker 4: depth they thought they had.
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, you have Tony think about
Speaker 1: Michael Grove and you know where he and I know
Speaker 1: he's with Tampa, but like it's like one of those
Speaker 1: guys I like a few or ago they had all
Speaker 1: these guys to Pete in the starting rotation and none
Speaker 1: of them. So it is tough, but I feel that
Speaker 1: this team always has its eyeset on October and because
Speaker 1: of that, you almost exchange Lour for somebody that you
Speaker 1: at least think can impact in the postseason.
Speaker 4: Which I'm not saying.
Speaker 1: It's an easy thing to go find, but I just
Speaker 1: think with his home run issue, you know he's given
Speaker 1: up edge one a game right now, keep scaring the postseason.
Speaker 2: I'll definitely agree like he is, I'm looking at him
Speaker 2: like I am sacrificing a potential prospect in return or whatever,
Speaker 2: Like you're not gonna be able to get anybody that
Speaker 2: is is a playoff impact type of person. For Eric Lower,
Speaker 2: I just don't think that's a real ya. It's a prospect.
Speaker 2: And if you're if you're trying to, you know, worry
Speaker 2: about this season, you don't trade somebody that's gonna help
Speaker 2: you get through these one sixty two, hopefully help healthy,
Speaker 2: hopefully you know, not needing to have Yamamoto or Rebleskie
Speaker 2: or you know, show hey, whatever over extend themselves. If
Speaker 2: you're gonna get through this, like you sacrifice maybe that's
Speaker 2: shiny at the end of of the you know, the
Speaker 2: rainbow there in trading lower, sacrifice that to let him
Speaker 2: hang around, and you know what, hey, he'd be really
Speaker 2: earning that world series ring as opposed to some of
Speaker 2: the other dolls. We kind of just showed up and
Speaker 2: picked up a ring. Our our friend Ross Strippling in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Yeah, pick it up a ring, boy.
Speaker 4: It's my book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, like I feel like Lawer is
Speaker 1: like he's kind of just house money at this point.
Speaker 3: That's all Crazy's just.
Speaker 1: And it depends what they want to do with that
Speaker 1: house mine. Do you want to go gamble up more
Speaker 1: and try to get a nice, shiny prospect or do
Speaker 1: you want to just be happy to have it get
Speaker 1: you through August and September and then say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your help.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I mean I also.
Speaker 1: To also contradict my point that farm system so loaded.
Speaker 1: It's not like they need another you know, it's not
Speaker 1: they need somebody anyway. I mean, so it kind of
Speaker 1: goes both ways, but they always want to restock, and
Speaker 1: he feels like a perfect candidate to help them stock
Speaker 1: up somewhere else. And I think, you know, I think
Speaker 1: they have to trade some of their outfielders prospects of
Speaker 1: the deadline, so hey, go get someone good, yeah, someone
Speaker 1: you trust in the postseason and and move lour to
Speaker 1: get something back.
Speaker 4: It's almost like a like a double edge there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's definitely a scenario where you could
Speaker 2: package Lour for with TIBs or something and maybe get
Speaker 2: some corner infield depth. You know, on the prospect side
Speaker 2: of things.
Speaker 4: We need.
Speaker 2: This team is super thin on catching prospects now catching depth.
Speaker 2: So that and that's the goal. That's something you know,
Speaker 2: Katie and I have talked about a lot on this channel.
Speaker 2: I know she's She's penned a lot of columns about, uh,
Speaker 2: that particular scenario.
Speaker 3: It's where they need the help. But you know, also again,
Speaker 3: it's so hard, they need him so hard.
Speaker 2: Being a Dodger fan, David Lee with the dollar ninety
Speaker 2: nine super chat by the way, he hit the dance.
Speaker 2: Hit the dance, uh, says undefeated Eric Lauer. To start
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, you know, what's funny is he would
Speaker 2: be one of the they Listen, this is a team
Speaker 2: that that won a World Series running Brent Honeywell out
Speaker 2: in weird capacities, you know, I mean they it was
Speaker 2: it was it was a Blocker Bueller, Jack Flaherty and
Speaker 2: and and Hope, and they won a World Series doing that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm not gonna say
Speaker 2: Eric Lower can't make a postseason impact. Just the type
Speaker 2: of picture he is doesn't feel like somebody who makes
Speaker 2: a postseason impact. And for a team focused on October, hey,
Speaker 2: they'll get somebody else who can make a post heason impact.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just stip on, but somebody like Kevin Gosman.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not saying they're gonna go get Kevin Gosman,
Speaker 1: but I do like Kevin Gosmans are gonna sell, He's
Speaker 1: gonna be traded.
Speaker 4: He can start.
Speaker 2: I don't think Eric Lawer's going back to Toronto. That
Speaker 2: would be awesome, No, no, sign.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 1: I just mean do another trade for Gosman and go
Speaker 1: trade Lower to a different contender who's gonna give you
Speaker 1: a Like That's kind of how I look at it.
Speaker 4: Like if two different trades.
Speaker 1: It's lower goes or three trades, or it could be
Speaker 1: you know, but lower goes to this team.
Speaker 4: It gets you a prospect this side.
Speaker 1: You trade one of your prospects for It's almost like
Speaker 1: a replenishing the system type thing. Yeah, that's kind of
Speaker 1: how I look at it.
Speaker 4: But also I don't know. It can go either way.
Speaker 3: Waity, wait to stick stick to it. Take man, he's ready.
Speaker 4: I'm sticking. I'm sticking to that stick of the take.
Speaker 4: I want to be right no matter what. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: just want to make sure. I just want to make
Speaker 4: sure I play both sides.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we work together long enough, so that's what's made
Speaker 2: it this far for me. Got a little bit more
Speaker 2: to talk about here, I'm interested in also just global
Speaker 2: thoughts about the team. We will be right back after
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Speaker 2: the show Hey thing we got show Hey news today
Speaker 2: with the the random kind of bullpen session.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say random.
Speaker 2: Dave did say at some point coming up he would
Speaker 2: be throwing a bullpen session. Did not expect it to
Speaker 2: be on the day in which he was supposed to start,
Speaker 2: But anyways, it doesn't appear like it's in a change
Speaker 2: the timeline at all for him. Is it strange to
Speaker 2: you though, that it happened and on the day where
Speaker 2: he's supposed to pitch, and maybe kind of lending itself
Speaker 2: to lending more credence to the idea that they're just
Speaker 2: kind of giving him more of a an in season
Speaker 2: blow than a lot of the issue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was quick.
Speaker 1: I mean it was, Hey, we're gonna we're gonna give
Speaker 1: him a little bit of a break. And then also
Speaker 1: three days later, Hey show, why do you go throw
Speaker 1: a thirty plus pitch a little pen sash?
Speaker 4: You know it?
Speaker 1: It does kind of feel like, obviously, you know, they
Speaker 1: talked earlier in the year, how important the cy Young
Speaker 1: was to him as the year went on. You know,
Speaker 1: once he got to that, yeah, the all Star break
Speaker 1: of only having I forget these up. It was fourteen stars,
Speaker 1: but there you go eighty five. I need you know,
Speaker 1: it was clear he wasn't gonna win the cy Young
Speaker 1: and then I think got one point at some At
Speaker 1: that point it's okay, like, where can we get you
Speaker 1: a little bit of a blow somewhere because we need
Speaker 1: you in October.
Speaker 4: We need you.
Speaker 1: Pitching, especially with how the rotation looks with all the
Speaker 1: other injuries, Like we really need you in October. So yes,
Speaker 1: I think it was much quicker than any of us
Speaker 1: expected show we to go throw a bullpen, and I think,
Speaker 1: like you said, it's just it's clear of let's get
Speaker 1: you a little break somewhere, and this is our way
Speaker 1: of doing it. We can blame the bum knee that
Speaker 1: it must have affected him more because the number showed it.
Speaker 1: You know, his first ten starts he was dominant, the
Speaker 1: last four he wasn't as much, So like it.
Speaker 4: Clearly affected him.
Speaker 3: But also.
Speaker 4: If today was.
Speaker 1: September twenty second instead of July twenty second, he would
Speaker 1: have pitched. So it's I think it's just kind of
Speaker 1: clear that you know we'll get you a break where
Speaker 1: we can get you a break, and mean.
Speaker 2: Why not, And I'm perfectly fine with it. Again, the
Speaker 2: thing that makes it the most difficult is, I mean
Speaker 2: not even difficult, but you wish they had just a
Speaker 2: little bit more starting pitching depths. That's where this organization
Speaker 2: is struggling, just a little bit there. We also got
Speaker 2: in Edwin DIA's timeline update today. Expect him back to
Speaker 2: start that homestand we'll dive more into that tomorrow. Myself,
Speaker 2: Katie Wu who was a part of that scrum, I
Speaker 2: want to talk about three guys before we eventually get
Speaker 2: out of here, like between Mookie Betts, Ta Oscar Hernandez,
Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker, all of them. I want extended Kyle Tucker thoughts. Also,
Speaker 2: somebody as a chat said you look like Kyle Tucker.
Speaker 2: I think is my buddy Ken said you look like
Speaker 2: Kyle Tucker, which.
Speaker 3: I was saying, that's rude. I think it's love people.
Speaker 4: As long as it's just here and not you know,
Speaker 4: not from the from the side.
Speaker 3: If only it was in your bank account, We'll tell
Speaker 3: you that I would.
Speaker 4: Be happy to look like Kyle Tucker in my bank account.
Speaker 4: You know, I'd be very happy.
Speaker 3: In your kind of estimation.
Speaker 2: Now you've covered this team for a while, you've covered
Speaker 2: a couple of World Series runs. Who is the most
Speaker 2: important guy, the biggest guy that you need to see
Speaker 2: get it going? Between those three in particular, Mooki, Tayo,
Speaker 2: Tucker like to have it, get it going, and get
Speaker 2: it going consistently through the rest of the season.
Speaker 3: Who who's going to make the biggest.
Speaker 4: Impact in your opinion?
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a wrong answer, Like I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like on this lineup, you just
Speaker 1: need anybody else to get going. But I actually think
Speaker 1: it's Taoscar only because of what you've seen him do
Speaker 1: in the big moments, hitting the big home runs in
Speaker 1: the postseason, kind of being that energy guy. You want
Speaker 1: a run producer in the middle of the lineup. And
Speaker 1: as much as I love Mookie best and the defense
Speaker 1: he's playing is amazing, I just don't see him getting
Speaker 1: back to that level offensively that he was, which is okay,
Speaker 1: Like he's thirty plus he's on the other side of thirty,
Speaker 1: Like he's not going to be that player anymore. But
Speaker 1: Ti Oscar should still be the player he was last
Speaker 1: year offensively, and with Kyle Tucker, it's just such an
Speaker 1: unknown because he hasn't been there for a long playoff run.
Speaker 1: You haven't seen him, and obviously you are expecting more
Speaker 1: from him. But they've won the last two years without Kyle.
Speaker 4: Tucker, and it's like, do they need Kyle Tucker.
Speaker 1: They didn't need him when they signed him, so it's
Speaker 1: almost like it was great that they got him, and
Speaker 1: you know you're expecting more from him. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's honestly crazy to see AM ninety six WRC plus
Speaker 1: next to Kyle Tucker's name. That's just that's just insane
Speaker 1: to think about how much money he's making. But I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just think it's tail because you know
Speaker 1: when they when he's when maybe some of those guys
Speaker 1: are slumping at the top. I mean, you think about
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty four, when Mookie was coming off of
Speaker 1: the multiple bad postseasons. They they Freddie was coming off
Speaker 1: the bat post season. They needed someone like Ti Oscar
Speaker 1: to come through, and that's the guy who if he's
Speaker 1: producing the middle of the lineup, I think everyone else
Speaker 1: kind of feeds out of it, and yeah, having say
Speaker 1: Munsei and Ti Oscar just bringing in runs, I think
Speaker 1: is kind of what makes this team as good as
Speaker 1: they are.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna go to Oscar, but I'd love to
Speaker 4: hear your thoughts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, Tao's my guy. And what's funny is I
Speaker 2: mean about this time a year ago?
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe it was more of an August conversation.
Speaker 2: You know, Tayo came back from the injury, was very
Speaker 2: clearly not himself, and we had Dave Roberts on the
Speaker 2: show and I asked him about Taylor, like what's going on?
Speaker 2: And you know, when you asked Dave a tough question,
Speaker 2: you know how he is. He'll he'll take that pause
Speaker 2: and he'll find a way to navigate it the most
Speaker 2: diplomatic way possible, which is exactly what he did. And
Speaker 2: he was like, I trust Hayo to this is be paraphrasing,
Speaker 2: but I trust Tyo to switch it back on when
Speaker 2: the lights are at the brightest. And we saw that
Speaker 2: in the postseason last year. You could think of, you know,
Speaker 2: that Philly Series. They don't win that Philly Series without
Speaker 2: him and Oryan Kirkering throwing a baseball to Mary Hart
Speaker 2: I know played or something like that. But Tayl like,
Speaker 2: I think he finds something I really do. And yeah,
Speaker 2: you know he's a run producer. You know, he's a
Speaker 2: grown up. You know, he has prodigious enough power to
Speaker 2: get a baseball out at any time of year. We've
Speaker 2: talked about it before where the baseball does not fly
Speaker 2: as far at Dodger Stadium in October. It's cold, denser air.
Speaker 2: We've we've seen you know, Gavin Luck standing there dumbfounded
Speaker 2: Will Smith.
Speaker 3: I think I think we watched that that one Will Smith.
Speaker 2: We thought Will Smith hit a homer in the twenty
Speaker 2: three postseason and it's just it went nowhere, stopped short
Speaker 2: even up to that eighteen to any game this past
Speaker 2: postseason run we thought he had one. We thought Freddy
Speaker 2: had one. Yeah, Tao has that kind of pop. Dodger
Speaker 2: Dog says, Tayo need to stop swinging at junk. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is one thing. He is expanding the zone, and
Speaker 2: he does that when he's trying to force production. But
Speaker 2: you get Tao going to do you get you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, realistically, of the three I laid out between Mookie,
Speaker 2: Tayo Tucker, you need two of them to be going
Speaker 2: in the postseason. It's hard for everybody to be going
Speaker 2: against you know, the best of the best pitching. But
Speaker 2: if you have Taoskar going and you know Edmund continues
Speaker 2: doing what he's doing, we know how Freddie is in October, Like,
Speaker 2: that's where I start to get the warm feelings again,
Speaker 2: the positive feelings. I don't have that existential dread of
Speaker 2: I don't know. Three p might be tough, because inherently
Speaker 2: it is hard, but it's a lot easier when your
Speaker 2: lineup is going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean again to Kyle Tucker is just
Speaker 1: such a wild car, Like it's just we've never seen
Speaker 1: him in October four of the Daughters. Obviously he has
Speaker 1: his own resume and it's been amazing, but you've never
Speaker 1: seen him produce in this lineup. And I mean even
Speaker 1: this year, we haven't seen him producing this lineup. So
Speaker 1: I think it's if Kyle Tucker is going, this team's unstoppable.
Speaker 1: But it's just hard to it's hard to snap out
Speaker 1: of it. And you know, after a month, okay it's
Speaker 1: been a month, after two months whatever, we're post All
Speaker 1: Star break and he's a blowout average offensive player and
Speaker 1: he's a well blow average defensive player. So it starts
Speaker 1: to get a little concerning there. But again, I don't
Speaker 1: think they need Tucker. Like you said, if two of
Speaker 1: those other guys are going, and that's kind of what
Speaker 1: it looks like, but it'd be nice to have your
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty million dollar man going, because there's
Speaker 1: the reason.
Speaker 2: Yes, if Tucker ain't hitting you, you can justify benching
Speaker 2: him and then boom key Oktober lives on once again.
Speaker 2: He'll be healthy, he's he's he's batt in a thousand
Speaker 2: this year. It'll all sort itself out.
Speaker 1: And Wadio World Series with a sixty million dollar player
Speaker 1: on the bench would have to be more impressive than
Speaker 1: anything the Dodgers have done.
Speaker 4: The last two years. I mean that that would truly
Speaker 4: be an insane storyline.
Speaker 2: That's what we're here for. Quickly I was signing off,
Speaker 2: appreciate you hanging out with me. You guys given a
Speaker 2: follow out. Noah cameras on the Twitter machine. Ten grades
Speaker 2: to our ten days until the trade deadline, super tight.
Speaker 2: What do you want to see this team do? I
Speaker 2: want to see them out. A catcher doesn't have to
Speaker 2: a big name, just I want to see them get
Speaker 2: some depth at the catch us. I mean, I like
Speaker 2: what Elizar Alfonso's done. I just want to get somebody
Speaker 2: else there. And again, I want to see them at
Speaker 2: a starting pitcher, whether it's a Kevin Gosman somebody like that,
Speaker 2: somebody who can start and then also work.
Speaker 1: In the bullpen in October. So those are the two
Speaker 1: things I want to see. And I'm trade Eric Lawer
Speaker 1: assuming you're getting that other picture. So those are the
Speaker 1: things I want.
Speaker 4: To see them do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gosmin Gosman suddenly makes a lot of sense with
Speaker 2: Toronto being out of it. Appreciate you guys hanging out
Speaker 2: with us here on the show. I'll be back tomorrow
Speaker 2: twelve o'clock Pacific time myself Katie. We were taking comments
Speaker 2: questions there, but no appreciate the time, buddy. We'll do
Speaker 2: this again soon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, please, thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3: Bye.