WEBVTT - #361 Packers Unscripted: Seattle sadness 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:20.680 Hi everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:24.360 I am Mike Spofford. He is my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.200 We're coming to you here from our studios at lambeau 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:29.000 Field and West. It's been a few days. I hope 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:32.000 you enjoyed your weekend off, but we have to get 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:36.159 back to the business of reviewing. Unfortunately Thursday Night Football 0:00:36.280 --> 0:00:40.560 from last week in Seattle at Century Link Field and UH. 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.440 As an insider inbox reader put it to me, it 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.400 felt feels like groundhog Day. The Packers in these road 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:52.240 games against tough teams, tough environments, they give it everything 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:55.920 they have. They are highly competitive for the vast majority 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.480 of the game. But just for whatever reason, and for 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:00.640 a number of different reasons, I guess I should say, 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.000 keep coming up short and this was another one of 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.600 the same old story type games. Yeah, and it's frustrating, Mike, 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:07.640 because it's not like they're getting blown out of the water. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:10.680 Absolutely our pre production meeting, I was talking to you 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.360 about some of the games that I watched on Sunday 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:15.560 because we actually had a Sunday available finally on Sunday 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:17.560 Night Football for the first time, I think all year, 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.440 and I was watching that Eagles game against the Saints, 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:25.360 and what crossed my mind as I'm watching that is 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:31.440 this was New Orleans just outclassing Philadelphia in every aspect 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:35.040 of the game, offense, defense, special teams, everything. The frustrating 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.360 thing for the Green Bay Packers is they haven't walked 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:39.880 into a place and just gotten blown out of the water. 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:44.800 They've had five, i should say, four relatively close losses 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:48.400 on the road, and again they found themselves in the 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:51.240 same situation in Seattle. These this is a tough slate. 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.920 You and I have talked about that since the day 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.600 the schedule was released back in the spring. Yeah, we 0:01:56.680 --> 0:01:58.440 knew this was gonna be that this was going to 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.280 be a gauntlet, no doubt. But the reality of the 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.080 NFL's you have sixteen chances, and you have to prove 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.720 yourself every single week, and ultimately, you can take any 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:09.880 kind of moral victories you want. You can you can 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:11.840 take any kind of positives away from these games as 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.400 you want. But the Packers have not been able to 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.840 win on the road, and that's the reality they're faced with, 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:18.760 and it's the reason they're in the position they're at 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:20.760 right now. Yeah, I mean, the game couldn't have started 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.000 any better for the Packers. You get the forced fumble 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.120 on the very first play, you recover. A couple of 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.320 plays later, you're in the end zone with a touchdown. 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:29.920 I know Mason Crosby then missed a field goal on 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:32.920 the Packers next drive. But then Aaron Rodgers hits the 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:36.040 big play on the scrambled drill, fires a deep down 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:38.840 the field Robert Tonyan touchdown. You're up fourteen to three. 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.480 You know in a place that that can be awfully 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.880 difficult to get off to a good start, So you're 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.280 right there. Seattle surges back in the second quarter, gets 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:49.440 a couple of touchdowns. I talked about that last week. 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.720 You have to withstand the surge, you have to respond 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.160 to it. The Packers responded to it. They fell behind 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:57.280 seventeen fourteen. They drive down before the end of the 0:02:57.280 --> 0:02:59.840 first half and get a touchdown. Touchdown past two. Aaron 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:01.959 owns on a on a wheel route there out of 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:07.120 the backfield, so the Packers take the lead back in 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:11.280 into halftime. Seen but then really West and I know, 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:12.880 there are a lot of things that happened in the 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.600 second half of this game, but the Packers had the 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:19.280 field position in their favor for the vast majority of 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.440 the third quarter, and whether it was a block in 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:24.960 the back on a nice run by Aaron Jones, whether 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.720 it's a holding penalty on a punt that goes out 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:29.960 of bounds and costs you ten yards of field position, 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.680 whatever the mistake was. The third quarter was the Packers 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:35.800 chance to add to the lead, get back to a 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:37.880 two score lead like you had in the first quarter, 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:39.680 and they just never did it. And then they found 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:41.760 themselves in a dog fight in the fourth quarter. And and 0:03:41.600 --> 0:03:43.920 and the tough part for the Packers in this is 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:46.720 that third quarter was really going to be their opportunity 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.720 to try to, you know, kind of put the foot 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.560 on the gas pedal a little bit, put the Seahawks 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.520 behind them. They have to punt, but the defense comes 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:57.280 right back and gets them a three and out. They 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.440 go three and out offensively, the defense gets them another reno. 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.520 And unfortunately, what happened towards the end of that quarter 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.400 is the Packers offense wasn't able to establish in a 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.600 rhythm and you just saw the defense, I mean very 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:15.560 literally and visibly start to wear down attrition injuries of 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.600 that nature. I mean, I give Mike Petting a lot 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.360 of credit for what they've been put able to put 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:22.360 on the field the last couple of weeks. You see 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.960 a guy like Kyler Fackrell having a career year, had 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:26.840 his biggest game of his career and had some very 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:29.960 meaningful sacks in this But at the end of the game, 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:33.200 Mike Kenny Clark and Mike Daniels weren't on the field 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:36.680 for the Packers. You lost Bashad Brelan again to the 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:40.440 growing injury. They were really worn down in Seattle was 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:43.200 just able to take advantage of it and offensively when 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.000 you had the time to be able to add some 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:46.960 cushion to that, they just weren't able to do it. 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:49.120 And it ends up being the result that it was. Yeah, 0:04:49.120 --> 0:04:51.600 and I thought one play that really swung the balance 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.359 of the game, and I talked about this in the 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.479 Friday Morning Insider inbox, and in my mind, the biggest 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:58.600 play that was the biggest momentum shift in the game 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:03.560 was the overturned catch catch non catch down the sideline 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:07.480 by number eighty three? Is it? David Moore David Moore 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:11.160 for the Seahawks. Tony Brown there on defense looks like 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.279 he gets his arm in there and gets the ball out. 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.000 The Seahawks challenge it and they slow it down to 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.640 about his frame by frame as you can get and somehow, 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:24.200 in my mind, they somehow justified that he had control 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.200 and called it a catch, even though I never saw 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.919 the ball stop moving the whole time. So I don't 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.039 know how they justified that. I don't know how you 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.159 can say that was indisputable evidence. But it was a 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.359 huge play because if it stays incomplete, the Seahawks are 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:39.960 punting from the back of their own end zone, they 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:41.640 were on their own six yard line, it would have 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:44.480 been fourth down. Instead, they get a twenty seven yard 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:46.560 reception there on the move. They end up going down 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.720 and kicking a field goal to get within and as 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.520 I said, then you know you're you're right up against 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.480 it the whole rest of the fourth quarter. Just uh, 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:59.760 We've we've seen We've seen so many officiating calls, replay reversals, 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:01.680 would ever you want to call it, that have gone 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.359 against the Packers, and and other than the Clay Matthews 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:07.800 roughing the passer in Week two that turned a win 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.120 into a tie, this one, in my mind, was the 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.479 most significant tough break officiating wise of the year for 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:16.479 the Packers. Yeah, and then and the thing that's difficult 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:18.839 about that plays it wiped out probably the best punt 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.520 of the year for j K Scott. J K Scott 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.960 just absolutely just killed a down punt at the three 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.480 yard line of six yard punt. Really nice play by him. 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:29.760 I'm trying to remember if that was the one to 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:31.640 where there was a low snap, but will be that 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:34.479 as it may a great place for the Packers to 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.320 be set up. Wise, they got three straight two or 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.040 at least two straight two and three notes before that. 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.640 Now you give Seattle the ball at their own three, 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:44.880 and you have the defense is going back out there 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.600 looking to do what it does. So after the game, 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.479 I was standing outside the Packers locker room waiting for 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:52.240 the for us to get let in, and I was 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.839 basically informally surveying all the other Beat reporters about what 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.200 they thought of that more catch. And my issue with 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.120 it is, I'm not going say, Okay, it should have 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:02.839 been a catcher, it shouldn't have been a catch, but 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:07.680 it was pretty fifty fifty split and on very different 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:10.520 sides of the argument. I think this is a problem 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:13.240 for the NFL. It's a big it's a big prost. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.600 Still haven't figured this out in terms of you can 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.920 change the language of things. But but you just said 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:22.960 it west split. How is fifty fifty indisputable? It's not. 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.040 The rule is written. The rule is written, it's supposed 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:28.480 to be indisputable evidence. And this is my whole problem 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:31.240 with replay is it seems to me that the league 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.720 is deciding at certain times that the call in the 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.360 field matters and other times the call in the field 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.320 doesn't matter. And if you wanted to go to replay 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.200 and you want to say, when it goes to replay, 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.080 we're gonna call what we see, then fine, but then 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:46.000 you have to write the rule that way. That's not 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.040 the way the rule is written. The rule is written 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:52.600 with indisputable video evidence, so it has to be indisputable. 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.000 And I just don't see how that rule was correctly 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.360 applied to what was on the film. And that's on 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:01.240 New York absolutely, because every single throw, every single official 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:04.560 is going to have a different perspective. The common thread 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.360 through all this is now with the way they're doing 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.680 this is supposed to be the New York office. They 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:11.600 need to get that straightened out. They're supposed to be 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.400 more consistency because it's from the New York office, and 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:17.280 in my opinion, it's just as inconsistent as when you 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.400 had all of the head referees at every stadium making 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.520 their own calls without consulting New York. To me, there's 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.320 there's no more consistency when they've devised a system that 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.200 is supposed to smooth that out. In My biggest issue 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.200 with that particular play is, and you kind of alluded 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:33.720 to it earlier, this game has played at about a 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.240 hundred and fifty miles per hour. When you slow it 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:38.960 down frame by frame, guess what happens, Mike. The ball 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:42.520 stops moving. If you play on your record on your TV, 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:47.160 on your DVR, the game's gonna stop. So if that's 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:50.520 the way you're judging it, it's kind of ridiculous. Um. 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.120 That being said, what what bothered me about this too 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.760 is that when that we we talked about that locket 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:59.480 catch later on, I didn't know, man, I really didn't. 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:01.360 Sitting up in I know there's yeah, there's a lot 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:03.520 of talk. Should McCarthy have challenged that he only at 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:05.560 one time out maybe not based on you and I 0:09:05.600 --> 0:09:07.520 were talking about it, we're looking at the replays in 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:10.440 the press box. I'm not convinced even though I saw 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.040 the ball move, I'm not convinced that they would have 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.040 that they would have called it incomplete because they all 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.520 they seemed with this new catch rule, and this was 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.360 a point I made on our website, they seem with 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:24.000 the tweak to the catch rule. This year, they're trying 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:27.320 to find more ways to call things catches, whereas for 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:30.439 about five or six or seven years, they were constantly 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:33.000 trying to find ways to call stuff not a catch. 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.920 And it's like the whole mentality has shifted all of 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.880 a sudden, but the rules and the way the replay 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.280 rules are written have kind of gotten thrown out the window. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.079 That's why when I saw that play and there's and 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:45.280 things are moving quickly, they don't have any replays in 0:09:45.320 --> 0:09:46.880 the ball. I'm just thinking, well, which way is the 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.959 wind blowing on this particular place that that that it's 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:52.800 gonna get officiated. But um be that as it may. 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:55.480 You got to take care of business. The packers offensively, 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:58.280 just we're not efficient enough. We've talked about the third downs, Mike, 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:00.960 you have to be an execute better in that scenario. 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.800 Three for eleven on a on a night you put 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:05.800 up on a night you put up twenty one points 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.920 in the first half, you have twenty four for the game, 0:10:08.160 --> 0:10:10.680 but you're three for eleven on third down. You you 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:13.480 left a lot of opportunities on the field. And it's 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.680 the really bittersweet part of this is the Packers have 0:10:15.760 --> 0:10:18.720 had some really phenomenal performances this year. I mean, Davante 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.160 Adams is having one of the best years and could 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.440 very well end up being the best year in franchise 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:26.000 history for a receiver. Aaron Jones has come on the 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.960 scene now is an every down type player, and you 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:31.040 look at the Kyler Factras of the world. They're getting 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.240 production from so many of those young guys that they 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.320 needed it from. But it's just not you know, mounting 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:37.880 up to wins right now. Yeah, I want to get 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.240 back to some of those performances that that you're talking 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.760 about here, But first, the Green Bay Packers get ready 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.200 four game day with the powerful noise canceling technology of 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:50.400 Bo's Quiet Comfort thirty five headphones. To learn more at 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:54.440 www dot bos dot com. Slash Packers Bows the official 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:57.360 headphones of the Green Bay Packers. Well, where do you 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.800 want to start. Davante Adams, Boy, I tell you, I 0:10:59.840 --> 0:11:03.199 mean too deep ball catches in this game. But even 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.920 aside from those, still very productive. Aaron Rodgers looking to 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.440 him finding him, I believe was it ten catches on 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.760 twelve targets in the game, racks up a hundred and 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.720 sixty six yards If he doesn't get a forearm to 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:18.160 the face mask by Bobby Wagner on the one down 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:21.240 the sideline there, he's got a two yard games and 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.600 we're talking about probably a Packer victory in that respect 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:29.680 as well. But um boy, defenses continue to focus on 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:33.560 number seventeen and he keeps producing. Yeah, it's funny too 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.480 at that Wagner play. I'm sure Raven Green would like 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.240 a conversation with that sideline official. I mean it's basically 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.920 the same exact place with a little bit less contact 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:45.760 less less less contact, but basically the same exact scenario 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:48.200 where the rep is standing. But be that as it may. 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:51.400 Davontae Adams the impressive thing about him, Mike, I went 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.120 back and watched this game afterwards. In the moment I'm 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.079 sitting there, going they can't defend him, I mean, they 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.360 just whatever combination they worked with and in those to 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.280 Mike McCarthy and and Joe Wit or excuse me, Joe Philban. 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:07.719 They moved him around constantly. He's in the slot, he's 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:11.040 in the boundary, and Davante Adams kept getting open. I mean, yeah, 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:13.680 he had ten catches for hundred sixty six yards. I know. Afterwards, 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:16.880 Aaron Rodgers said he didn't have any qualms this time 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:19.640 about not feeding him enough. But honestly, Mike, if you 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:22.720 isolate on him, the guy's basically open every single play, 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:25.200 and it kind of sounds it kind of seems that way, 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:30.080 and and defenses are defenses are paying attention personnel wise, 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.400 scheme wise to him. But yet he's he's fine. He's 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.880 such he's such a smart player. He understands defenses, he 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.520 knows he knows where to go to get open. And uh, 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.280 and yeah, I mean this ten for one sixty six 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:44.840 was if there's a way to have a hundred and 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.520 sixty six yards kind of quietly, it's almost it's almost 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.439 like he did that very workman like performance. The thing 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:52.559 that's impressive about me and we got this is stuff 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:54.400 that we have to look at once the season's over. 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.199 And I'll step back and won't be in the moment anymore. 0:12:57.240 --> 0:13:00.120 But I've actually thought it a number of turns. Now, 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.079 the Packers had a lot of talented receivers in the 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:06.800 last ten twelve years. Pound for pound, what Davante Adams 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.600 is doing might be at the top of the list, 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:13.800 because you know, he has that connection with Aaron Rodgers 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.160 where they don't have to talk. They can just operate 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.199 in the system and know what each other's thinking. But 0:13:19.880 --> 0:13:22.240 you know, he he can do the James Jones thing 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.000 along the sidelines, the stop routes and those type of 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.959 things doesn't really well. He's fast enough to get separation 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.280 on go routes like Jordy Nelson did during his prime, 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.040 and he's also shifty enough with his footwork to be 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.120 a factor in the middle of the field like Randall Cobb. 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:39.360 He is the complete package. And and this has been 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.320 a narrative here the last two and a half weeks 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:44.560 about him getting his proper respect. I'm trying to remember 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:46.720 who it was, which player it was, Maybe it was Rodgers, 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:48.000 I can't remember off the top of my head, but 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:51.040 basically saying, if he keeps doing this, just the league's 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:53.840 gonna have to pay attention because there's enough fantasy football 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:57.000 players out there, uh fan wise that are gonna start 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.760 to understand what this guy does. I think you can 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:01.959 put it up there with anybody right now. He's he's 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:04.839 he's in an elite class right now, and he's only 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.120 getting better at years old. Yeah. I mean, the only 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:10.199 reason right now he's not getting the national run or 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.400 the national respect, as you say, as far as the 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.760 media is concerned, is because the Packers are a sub 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.680 five team right now. That's really the only reason. Because 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:19.240 when you look at the film and you look at 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:21.880 what defenses are doing, he is getting all the respect 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.880 in the world from opposing teams. Here's the other thing though, too, Mike. 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:27.360 There's a second part of that, and he's not He's 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:31.280 a very confident player, but he's not overly boisterous about 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.800 his abilities. He's not in Odell Beckham Jr. Some of 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:37.360 these guys that are just constantly in the public eye. 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.440 Devantie Adams just goes in every day, does his job 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.360 and goes home. He said it numerous times. He said 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.240 it to me during the off season. I think he 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.160 said it to you when you did a year book story. 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:47.880 And I'm two years ago He's not in this to 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.600 be a celebrity. He wants to be recognized as a 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.880 top as the top receiver in the game, but he's 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.520 not looking for anything beyond that. So um that that's 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.520 part of it. That plays into that as well. Yeah, 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:01.760 well uh um quickly or another piece of sponsored business 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.760 West at Homer Here in the stands. 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The 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:33.000 third down in the red zone, Packers end up having 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:34.800 to settle for a field goal, so they only go 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:39.200 up instead of possibly going up by eight points. There 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:41.880 the Seahawks go the other way. They get a touchdown. 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:43.840 They take the lead for the first time since the 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.680 second quarter and then and then unfortunately the Packers go 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.800 three and out. Rogers, just as he said after the game, 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:52.760 he had the ball stick to his hand on a 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:56.120 third and two, just a quick flip to Valdez Scaling 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:57.920 that would have easily picked up the two yards for 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.240 the first down. The ball goes in the dirt, and 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:05.280 you know, Rogers is really frustrated. Mike McCarthy decides to 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:08.800 punt on fourth and two. Tricky decision there, but punts 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:10.800 the ball back to the Seahawks with four minutes to go. 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:13.680 Seattle gets two first downs and runs out the clock 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:18.160 and unfortunately Aaron Rodgers doesn't get another shot um. But 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:20.920 this Packers defense, I know, they gave up the drive 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:22.880 in the fourth quarter, they gave up the two first 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:24.400 downs at the end when we talked about how they 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.920 were so banged up, especially missing the top two run 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:29.880 stoppers at that point when the Seahawks were gonna just 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.240 try to pound the ball at him. But what a 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.760 game by Kyler Facral number fifty one And I'm telling 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:37.960 you Wes not just the three sacks that he had, 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.560 which is impressive enough, the second three SAT game of 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.320 the season for him, which is something that has happened 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:48.480 rather rarely in Packer's history. Yeah, to three sack games 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.320 in one season for a player. But I'm in the 0:16:50.320 --> 0:16:52.640 process right now. Before we came in here and turned 0:16:52.680 --> 0:16:55.800 the cameras on of going through the entire defensive film 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.120 and watching the entire game of Facral and some of 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:00.920 the stuff he did again the run and when he 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.320 dropped into past coverage and I mean this, this it's 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:07.000 not it's not just the eight sacks. It's not just 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.520 what's on the stat sheet. Right now with Kyler Facral 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.680 that jumps out you watch the film, he's really he's 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:14.879 he's developing. I know it's taken a while. There was 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.520 some impatience amongst the fans and everything from a third 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.520 round draft pick, But here in year three and more 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:24.280 than halfway now through year three, Kyler Factral is becoming 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.720 the the all around, every down outside linebacker. He's he's 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.760 working on all aspects aspects of his game and they're 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:33.920 all sort of rising up at the same time. And 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:35.639 that's the thing that has stood out to me all 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.360 year long with him, even before this game, is in 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:42.400 terms of being able to be accountable in every phase 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.800 of the defense. Claim Matthews mentioned this earlier this season. 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:48.200 This is more towards I want to say, training camp 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.919 for the end of training camp about how you know, 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.480 the perception of Factral with the fan base, and everybody 0:17:53.480 --> 0:17:56.119 loves Sacks, no question about it. There's a reason why 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.320 von Miller and those type of players Clay Matthews get 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.240 the name wrecking issue they do, getting after the quarterback, 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:07.000 doing fancy celebrations and getting endorsement deals. But the thing 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:08.840 you have to understand about fact Roll that a lot 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.280 of his teammates have touched on. He's a trusted member 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.320 of that defense, and he's also athletic enough that he 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.560 can do the zone drop stuff. You've seen them use 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.159 sort of that hybrid four three at times where he 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:21.760 lines up as a you know, kind of a weak 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:28.440 side for three outside. There are off the ball outside there, 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.000 there are those type of things that he's been doing 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.080 all along. In What impressed me about this particular game 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.000 is he's doing some of those things against Dwayne Brown 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.159 now as a pass rusher. They're moving him over to 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:42.240 the other side and taking advantages of mismatches over there, 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.040 just being very multiple with him in a game in 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:47.080 which they didn't have a lot of depth at that position. 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:51.240 Without Nick Perry available, you basically have Reggie Gilbert there 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.240 in in a pinch, maybe James Crawford. Otherwise, it's a 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.439 three headed monster with that pass rush, and Fracrol got 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.959 better as the game went on. And the thing I 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.160 really respect about the kid is we are sitting there 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.560 in the postgame locker room. This is an opportunity for 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:08.919 Facral to be like, you know what I said it 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:10.920 all along. You guys came in here and asked me 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.040 about the one on one record. You asked me about 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.880