1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is my trusted colleague Wes Hodkowitz. 3 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: We're coming to you here from our studios at lambeau 4 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: Field and West. It's been a few days. I hope 5 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: you enjoyed your weekend off, but we have to get 6 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: back to the business of reviewing. Unfortunately Thursday Night Football 7 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: from last week in Seattle at Century Link Field and UH. 8 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: As an insider inbox reader put it to me, it 9 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: felt feels like groundhog Day. The Packers in these road 10 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: games against tough teams, tough environments, they give it everything 11 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: they have. They are highly competitive for the vast majority 12 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: of the game. But just for whatever reason, and for 13 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: a number of different reasons, I guess I should say, 14 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: keep coming up short and this was another one of 15 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: the same old story type games. Yeah, and it's frustrating, Mike, 16 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: because it's not like they're getting blown out of the water. 17 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: Absolutely our pre production meeting, I was talking to you 18 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: about some of the games that I watched on Sunday 19 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: because we actually had a Sunday available finally on Sunday 20 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: Night Football for the first time, I think all year, 21 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: and I was watching that Eagles game against the Saints, 22 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: and what crossed my mind as I'm watching that is 23 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: this was New Orleans just outclassing Philadelphia in every aspect 24 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: of the game, offense, defense, special teams, everything. The frustrating 25 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: thing for the Green Bay Packers is they haven't walked 26 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: into a place and just gotten blown out of the water. 27 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: They've had five, i should say, four relatively close losses 28 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: on the road, and again they found themselves in the 29 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: same situation in Seattle. These this is a tough slate. 30 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: You and I have talked about that since the day 31 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: the schedule was released back in the spring. Yeah, we 32 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: knew this was gonna be that this was going to 33 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: be a gauntlet, no doubt. But the reality of the 34 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: NFL's you have sixteen chances, and you have to prove 35 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: yourself every single week, and ultimately, you can take any 36 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: kind of moral victories you want. You can you can 37 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: take any kind of positives away from these games as 38 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: you want. But the Packers have not been able to 39 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: win on the road, and that's the reality they're faced with, 40 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: and it's the reason they're in the position they're at 41 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, I mean, the game couldn't have started 42 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: any better for the Packers. You get the forced fumble 43 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: on the very first play, you recover. A couple of 44 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: plays later, you're in the end zone with a touchdown. 45 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: I know Mason Crosby then missed a field goal on 46 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: the Packers next drive. But then Aaron Rodgers hits the 47 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: big play on the scrambled drill, fires a deep down 48 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: the field Robert Tonyan touchdown. You're up fourteen to three. 49 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: You know in a place that that can be awfully 50 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: difficult to get off to a good start, So you're 51 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: right there. Seattle surges back in the second quarter, gets 52 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: a couple of touchdowns. I talked about that last week. 53 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: You have to withstand the surge, you have to respond 54 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: to it. The Packers responded to it. They fell behind 55 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: seventeen fourteen. They drive down before the end of the 56 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: first half and get a touchdown. Touchdown past two. Aaron 57 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: owns on a on a wheel route there out of 58 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: the backfield, so the Packers take the lead back in 59 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: into halftime. Seen but then really West and I know, 60 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: there are a lot of things that happened in the 61 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: second half of this game, but the Packers had the 62 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: field position in their favor for the vast majority of 63 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: the third quarter, and whether it was a block in 64 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: the back on a nice run by Aaron Jones, whether 65 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: it's a holding penalty on a punt that goes out 66 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: of bounds and costs you ten yards of field position, 67 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: whatever the mistake was. The third quarter was the Packers 68 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: chance to add to the lead, get back to a 69 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: two score lead like you had in the first quarter, 70 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: and they just never did it. And then they found 71 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: themselves in a dog fight in the fourth quarter. And and 72 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: and the tough part for the Packers in this is 73 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: that third quarter was really going to be their opportunity 74 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: to try to, you know, kind of put the foot 75 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: on the gas pedal a little bit, put the Seahawks 76 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: behind them. They have to punt, but the defense comes 77 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: right back and gets them a three and out. They 78 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: go three and out offensively, the defense gets them another reno. 79 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, what happened towards the end of that quarter 80 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: is the Packers offense wasn't able to establish in a 81 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: rhythm and you just saw the defense, I mean very 82 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: literally and visibly start to wear down attrition injuries of 83 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: that nature. I mean, I give Mike Petting a lot 84 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: of credit for what they've been put able to put 85 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: on the field the last couple of weeks. You see 86 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: a guy like Kyler Fackrell having a career year, had 87 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: his biggest game of his career and had some very 88 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: meaningful sacks in this But at the end of the game, 89 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: Mike Kenny Clark and Mike Daniels weren't on the field 90 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: for the Packers. You lost Bashad Brelan again to the 91 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: growing injury. They were really worn down in Seattle was 92 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: just able to take advantage of it and offensively when 93 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: you had the time to be able to add some 94 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: cushion to that, they just weren't able to do it. 95 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: And it ends up being the result that it was. Yeah, 96 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: and I thought one play that really swung the balance 97 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: of the game, and I talked about this in the 98 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: Friday Morning Insider inbox, and in my mind, the biggest 99 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: play that was the biggest momentum shift in the game 100 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: was the overturned catch catch non catch down the sideline 101 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 1: by number eighty three? Is it? David Moore David Moore 102 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: for the Seahawks. Tony Brown there on defense looks like 103 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: he gets his arm in there and gets the ball out. 104 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: The Seahawks challenge it and they slow it down to 105 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: about his frame by frame as you can get and somehow, 106 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: in my mind, they somehow justified that he had control 107 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: and called it a catch, even though I never saw 108 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: the ball stop moving the whole time. So I don't 109 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: know how they justified that. I don't know how you 110 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: can say that was indisputable evidence. But it was a 111 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 1: huge play because if it stays incomplete, the Seahawks are 112 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: punting from the back of their own end zone, they 113 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: were on their own six yard line, it would have 114 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: been fourth down. Instead, they get a twenty seven yard 115 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: reception there on the move. They end up going down 116 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: and kicking a field goal to get within and as 117 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: I said, then you know you're you're right up against 118 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: it the whole rest of the fourth quarter. Just uh, 119 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: We've we've seen We've seen so many officiating calls, replay reversals, 120 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: would ever you want to call it, that have gone 121 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: against the Packers, and and other than the Clay Matthews 122 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: roughing the passer in Week two that turned a win 123 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: into a tie, this one, in my mind, was the 124 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: most significant tough break officiating wise of the year for 125 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: the Packers. Yeah, and then and the thing that's difficult 126 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: about that plays it wiped out probably the best punt 127 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: of the year for j K Scott. J K Scott 128 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: just absolutely just killed a down punt at the three 129 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: yard line of six yard punt. Really nice play by him. 130 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember if that was the one to 131 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: where there was a low snap, but will be that 132 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: as it may a great place for the Packers to 133 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: be set up. Wise, they got three straight two or 134 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 1: at least two straight two and three notes before that. 135 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: Now you give Seattle the ball at their own three, 136 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: and you have the defense is going back out there 137 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: looking to do what it does. So after the game, 138 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: I was standing outside the Packers locker room waiting for 139 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: the for us to get let in, and I was 140 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: basically informally surveying all the other Beat reporters about what 141 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: they thought of that more catch. And my issue with 142 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: it is, I'm not going say, Okay, it should have 143 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: been a catcher, it shouldn't have been a catch, but 144 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: it was pretty fifty fifty split and on very different 145 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: sides of the argument. I think this is a problem 146 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: for the NFL. It's a big it's a big prost. 147 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: Still haven't figured this out in terms of you can 148 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: change the language of things. But but you just said 149 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: it west split. How is fifty fifty indisputable? It's not. 150 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: The rule is written. The rule is written, it's supposed 151 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: to be indisputable evidence. And this is my whole problem 152 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: with replay is it seems to me that the league 153 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: is deciding at certain times that the call in the 154 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: field matters and other times the call in the field 155 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. And if you wanted to go to replay 156 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: and you want to say, when it goes to replay, 157 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna call what we see, then fine, but then 158 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: you have to write the rule that way. That's not 159 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: the way the rule is written. The rule is written 160 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: with indisputable video evidence, so it has to be indisputable. 161 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: And I just don't see how that rule was correctly 162 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: applied to what was on the film. And that's on 163 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: New York absolutely, because every single throw, every single official 164 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: is going to have a different perspective. The common thread 165 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: through all this is now with the way they're doing 166 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: this is supposed to be the New York office. They 167 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: need to get that straightened out. They're supposed to be 168 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: more consistency because it's from the New York office, and 169 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: in my opinion, it's just as inconsistent as when you 170 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: had all of the head referees at every stadium making 171 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: their own calls without consulting New York. To me, there's 172 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: there's no more consistency when they've devised a system that 173 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: is supposed to smooth that out. In My biggest issue 174 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: with that particular play is, and you kind of alluded 175 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: to it earlier, this game has played at about a 176 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty miles per hour. When you slow it 177 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: down frame by frame, guess what happens, Mike. The ball 178 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: stops moving. If you play on your record on your TV, 179 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: on your DVR, the game's gonna stop. So if that's 180 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: the way you're judging it, it's kind of ridiculous. Um. 181 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: That being said, what what bothered me about this too 182 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: is that when that we we talked about that locket 183 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: catch later on, I didn't know, man, I really didn't. 184 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: Sitting up in I know there's yeah, there's a lot 185 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: of talk. Should McCarthy have challenged that he only at 186 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: one time out maybe not based on you and I 187 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: were talking about it, we're looking at the replays in 188 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: the press box. I'm not convinced even though I saw 189 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: the ball move, I'm not convinced that they would have 190 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: that they would have called it incomplete because they all 191 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: they seemed with this new catch rule, and this was 192 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: a point I made on our website, they seem with 193 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: the tweak to the catch rule. This year, they're trying 194 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: to find more ways to call things catches, whereas for 195 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: about five or six or seven years, they were constantly 196 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 1: trying to find ways to call stuff not a catch. 197 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: And it's like the whole mentality has shifted all of 198 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: a sudden, but the rules and the way the replay 199 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: rules are written have kind of gotten thrown out the window. 200 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: That's why when I saw that play and there's and 201 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: things are moving quickly, they don't have any replays in 202 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: the ball. I'm just thinking, well, which way is the 203 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: wind blowing on this particular place that that that it's 204 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: gonna get officiated. But um be that as it may. 205 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: You got to take care of business. The packers offensively, 206 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: just we're not efficient enough. We've talked about the third downs, Mike, 207 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: you have to be an execute better in that scenario. 208 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: Three for eleven on a on a night you put 209 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: up on a night you put up twenty one points 210 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: in the first half, you have twenty four for the game, 211 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: but you're three for eleven on third down. You you 212 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: left a lot of opportunities on the field. And it's 213 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: the really bittersweet part of this is the Packers have 214 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: had some really phenomenal performances this year. I mean, Davante 215 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: Adams is having one of the best years and could 216 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: very well end up being the best year in franchise 217 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: history for a receiver. Aaron Jones has come on the 218 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: scene now is an every down type player, and you 219 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: look at the Kyler Factras of the world. They're getting 220 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: production from so many of those young guys that they 221 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: needed it from. But it's just not you know, mounting 222 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: up to wins right now. Yeah, I want to get 223 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: back to some of those performances that that you're talking 224 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: about here, But first, the Green Bay Packers get ready 225 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: four game day with the powerful noise canceling technology of 226 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: Bo's Quiet Comfort thirty five headphones. To learn more at 227 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: www dot bos dot com. Slash Packers Bows the official 228 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: headphones of the Green Bay Packers. Well, where do you 229 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: want to start. Davante Adams, Boy, I tell you, I 230 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: mean too deep ball catches in this game. But even 231 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: aside from those, still very productive. Aaron Rodgers looking to 232 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: him finding him, I believe was it ten catches on 233 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: twelve targets in the game, racks up a hundred and 234 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: sixty six yards If he doesn't get a forearm to 235 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 1: the face mask by Bobby Wagner on the one down 236 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: the sideline there, he's got a two yard games and 237 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about probably a Packer victory in that respect 238 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: as well. But um boy, defenses continue to focus on 239 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 1: number seventeen and he keeps producing. Yeah, it's funny too 240 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: at that Wagner play. I'm sure Raven Green would like 241 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: a conversation with that sideline official. I mean it's basically 242 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: the same exact place with a little bit less contact 243 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: less less less contact, but basically the same exact scenario 244 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: where the rep is standing. But be that as it may. 245 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: Davontae Adams the impressive thing about him, Mike, I went 246 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: back and watched this game afterwards. In the moment I'm 247 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: sitting there, going they can't defend him, I mean, they 248 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 1: just whatever combination they worked with and in those to 249 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy and and Joe Wit or excuse me, Joe Philban. 250 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,719 Speaker 1: They moved him around constantly. He's in the slot, he's 251 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: in the boundary, and Davante Adams kept getting open. I mean, yeah, 252 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: he had ten catches for hundred sixty six yards. I know. Afterwards, 253 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers said he didn't have any qualms this time 254 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: about not feeding him enough. But honestly, Mike, if you 255 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: isolate on him, the guy's basically open every single play, 256 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: and it kind of sounds it kind of seems that way, 257 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 1: and and defenses are defenses are paying attention personnel wise, 258 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: scheme wise to him. But yet he's he's fine. He's 259 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: such he's such a smart player. He understands defenses, he 260 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: knows he knows where to go to get open. And uh, 261 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean this ten for one sixty six 262 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: was if there's a way to have a hundred and 263 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: sixty six yards kind of quietly, it's almost it's almost 264 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: like he did that very workman like performance. The thing 265 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 1: that's impressive about me and we got this is stuff 266 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: that we have to look at once the season's over. 267 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,199 Speaker 1: And I'll step back and won't be in the moment anymore. 268 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 1: But I've actually thought it a number of turns. Now, 269 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: the Packers had a lot of talented receivers in the 270 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: last ten twelve years. Pound for pound, what Davante Adams 271 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: is doing might be at the top of the list, 272 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: because you know, he has that connection with Aaron Rodgers 273 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: where they don't have to talk. They can just operate 274 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: in the system and know what each other's thinking. But 275 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, he he can do the James Jones thing 276 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: along the sidelines, the stop routes and those type of 277 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: things doesn't really well. He's fast enough to get separation 278 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: on go routes like Jordy Nelson did during his prime, 279 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: and he's also shifty enough with his footwork to be 280 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: a factor in the middle of the field like Randall Cobb. 281 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: He is the complete package. And and this has been 282 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: a narrative here the last two and a half weeks 283 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: about him getting his proper respect. I'm trying to remember 284 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: who it was, which player it was, Maybe it was Rodgers, 285 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: I can't remember off the top of my head, but 286 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: basically saying, if he keeps doing this, just the league's 287 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: gonna have to pay attention because there's enough fantasy football 288 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: players out there, uh fan wise that are gonna start 289 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: to understand what this guy does. I think you can 290 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: put it up there with anybody right now. He's he's 291 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: he's in an elite class right now, and he's only 292 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: getting better at years old. Yeah. I mean, the only 293 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: reason right now he's not getting the national run or 294 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: the national respect, as you say, as far as the 295 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: media is concerned, is because the Packers are a sub 296 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: five team right now. That's really the only reason. Because 297 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: when you look at the film and you look at 298 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: what defenses are doing, he is getting all the respect 299 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: in the world from opposing teams. Here's the other thing though, too, Mike. 300 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: There's a second part of that, and he's not He's 301 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: a very confident player, but he's not overly boisterous about 302 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: his abilities. He's not in Odell Beckham Jr. Some of 303 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: these guys that are just constantly in the public eye. 304 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: Devantie Adams just goes in every day, does his job 305 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: and goes home. He said it numerous times. He said 306 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: it to me during the off season. I think he 307 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: said it to you when you did a year book story. 308 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: And I'm two years ago He's not in this to 309 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: be a celebrity. He wants to be recognized as a 310 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: top as the top receiver in the game, but he's 311 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: not looking for anything beyond that. So um that that's 312 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: part of it. That plays into that as well. 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Okay, 321 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 1: getting back to the fourth quarter here a little bit. 322 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: Packers end up uh maybe the one time that Rogers 323 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: really lamented not being able to connect with Adams. The 324 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: third down in the red zone, Packers end up having 325 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: to settle for a field goal, so they only go 326 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: up instead of possibly going up by eight points. There 327 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: the Seahawks go the other way. They get a touchdown. 328 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: They take the lead for the first time since the 329 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: second quarter and then and then unfortunately the Packers go 330 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: three and out. Rogers, just as he said after the game, 331 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: he had the ball stick to his hand on a 332 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: third and two, just a quick flip to Valdez Scaling 333 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: that would have easily picked up the two yards for 334 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: the first down. The ball goes in the dirt, and 335 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: you know, Rogers is really frustrated. Mike McCarthy decides to 336 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: punt on fourth and two. Tricky decision there, but punts 337 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: the ball back to the Seahawks with four minutes to go. 338 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: Seattle gets two first downs and runs out the clock 339 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: and unfortunately Aaron Rodgers doesn't get another shot um. But 340 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: this Packers defense, I know, they gave up the drive 341 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, they gave up the two first 342 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: downs at the end when we talked about how they 343 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: were so banged up, especially missing the top two run 344 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: stoppers at that point when the Seahawks were gonna just 345 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: try to pound the ball at him. But what a 346 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: game by Kyler Facral number fifty one And I'm telling 347 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: you Wes not just the three sacks that he had, 348 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: which is impressive enough, the second three SAT game of 349 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: the season for him, which is something that has happened 350 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: rather rarely in Packer's history. Yeah, to three sack games 351 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: in one season for a player. But I'm in the 352 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: process right now. Before we came in here and turned 353 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: the cameras on of going through the entire defensive film 354 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: and watching the entire game of Facral and some of 355 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: the stuff he did again the run and when he 356 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: dropped into past coverage and I mean this, this it's 357 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: not it's not just the eight sacks. It's not just 358 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: what's on the stat sheet. Right now with Kyler Facral 359 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: that jumps out you watch the film, he's really he's 360 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:14,879 Speaker 1: he's developing. I know it's taken a while. There was 361 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: some impatience amongst the fans and everything from a third 362 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: round draft pick, But here in year three and more 363 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: than halfway now through year three, Kyler Factral is becoming 364 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: the the all around, every down outside linebacker. He's he's 365 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: working on all aspects aspects of his game and they're 366 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: all sort of rising up at the same time. And 367 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: that's the thing that has stood out to me all 368 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: year long with him, even before this game, is in 369 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: terms of being able to be accountable in every phase 370 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: of the defense. Claim Matthews mentioned this earlier this season. 371 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: This is more towards I want to say, training camp 372 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: for the end of training camp about how you know, 373 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: the perception of Factral with the fan base, and everybody 374 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: loves Sacks, no question about it. There's a reason why 375 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: von Miller and those type of players Clay Matthews get 376 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 1: the name wrecking issue they do, getting after the quarterback, 377 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: doing fancy celebrations and getting endorsement deals. But the thing 378 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: you have to understand about fact Roll that a lot 379 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: of his teammates have touched on. He's a trusted member 380 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: of that defense, and he's also athletic enough that he 381 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: can do the zone drop stuff. You've seen them use 382 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: sort of that hybrid four three at times where he 383 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: lines up as a you know, kind of a weak 384 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: side for three outside. There are off the ball outside there, 385 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: there are those type of things that he's been doing 386 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: all along. In What impressed me about this particular game 387 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: is he's doing some of those things against Dwayne Brown 388 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: now as a pass rusher. They're moving him over to 389 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: the other side and taking advantages of mismatches over there, 390 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: just being very multiple with him in a game in 391 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: which they didn't have a lot of depth at that position. 392 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: Without Nick Perry available, you basically have Reggie Gilbert there 393 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: in in a pinch, maybe James Crawford. Otherwise, it's a 394 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: three headed monster with that pass rush, and Fracrol got 395 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,959 Speaker 1: better as the game went on. And the thing I 396 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: really respect about the kid is we are sitting there 397 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: in the postgame locker room. This is an opportunity for 398 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: Facral to be like, you know what I said it 399 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: all along. You guys came in here and asked me 400 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: about the one on one record. You asked me about 401 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: why I'm not making enough plays there they are. Facral 402 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: said none of that. He had the same exact narrative 403 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: that he's been talking about since day one. Trust the 404 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: process has gotten very cliche now, but Facral is really 405 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: a product of that. Outside linebackers, like you're right, some 406 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: of them jump right into the scene and they are 407 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: phenomenal all Pro Pro Bowl type players. Some guys take 408 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: a few years, and we've seen that in Green Bay. 409 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: They've benefited that with that with Eric Walden, Miami gave 410 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: up on him, he ends up in Green Bay, helps 411 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: him win a Super Bowl. Sometimes you just got to 412 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: have patience. Yeah, absolutely, and and to your point about 413 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: what facral talking to reporters after the game, you know 414 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: he was he wasn't all high and mighty about his 415 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 1: own performance because he's bummed out at the team lost 416 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: the game and that and that the defense unfortunately had 417 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: a couple utdowns there in the in the fourth quarter. 418 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: Because for all the all the controversy and the talk 419 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: about should Mike McCarthy have gone forward on fourth and 420 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: two and blah blah blah, the guys on the defensive 421 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: side of the ball in that locker room are saying, Hey, 422 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: we were on the field in the fourth quarter with 423 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: the lead and with a chance later on to get 424 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: the ball back for our offense, and we didn't come 425 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: through either time. They're frustrated. They're frustrated because they played 426 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: a pretty darn good game in a tough place to 427 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: play for the for the vast majority of it. But 428 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, a short week and the long travel and 429 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: all that, you knew at some point the tank was 430 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: gonna hit empty. And what was compounded by that, like 431 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: we talked about, is the the the injuries that the 432 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: Packers were, you know, shuffling guys in and out, and 433 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: and you know, some key guys that just simply weren't 434 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: on the field down the stretch when they really needed. 435 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: I mean, Abrahim Campbell ended up playing in the secondary 436 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: in this game. He's been there for what ten days? Yeah, 437 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: and Tony Brown was ended up with a whole bunch 438 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: of snaps at cornerback because of the injury to Breland. 439 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: The defensive line ended that game with basically Land Tyler 440 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: Land cast from on Trevious Adams and Dean Lowery. That 441 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: was it, Like if they wanted to go base, that's 442 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: all they had left. So we got to see where 443 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: things are at this week with it, but a tough 444 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: situation to being I really would be interested to see 445 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: how that game plays out. If you do have Kenny 446 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: Clark and Mike Daniels, they're late. Unfortunately the Packers didn't 447 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: have that. Yeah, I didn't have that, but well we 448 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: will call it a wrap on the position of Packers unscripted. 449 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: Get onto some more topics as the week continues, but 450 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: be sure to follow all of our coverage of the 451 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: team on Packers dot com on Twitter. He's at west Hot, 452 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: I'm at Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account. 453 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in everybody see you next time.