1
00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,080
Speaker 1: All I wanted to do is not have a proper job.

2
00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:10,840
Speaker 1: So I was like, you know, if I just keep

3
00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,119
Speaker 1: making songs, I'm not gonna have to go do that.

4
00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,960
Speaker 1: And it's so brilliant because I was so ignorant, because

5
00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,520
Speaker 1: I had no concept if someone had told me that

6
00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,400
Speaker 1: all these years later I could be here in Nashville

7
00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,680
Speaker 1: would be talking. I didn't know if that was a possibility.

8
00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,360
Speaker 2: I'm a massive fan of this next guy. So it's

9
00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:33,280
Speaker 2: Gavin Rossdelle, the lead singer, the founding member of Bush.

10
00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:38,240
Speaker 2: Over thirty years of really defining modern rock like Bush

11
00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,680
Speaker 2: is still killing it. They've sold over twenty five million

12
00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:47,440
Speaker 2: albums Glycerine, Jam, Machine, Heead Jam, Come Down, Jam, sixteen Stone,

13
00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:49,680
Speaker 2: that album their dog was on the front of it,

14
00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:55,360
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety four top ten to fifteen album ever for Me.

15
00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:57,800
Speaker 2: Bush is wrapping up their North American leg tour of

16
00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,160
Speaker 2: their Land of Milk and Honey tour. Gavin is celebrating

17
00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,440
Speaker 2: the band's latest album, I Beat Loneliness. They revisited Swallowed,

18
00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,560
Speaker 2: which is a JAM two and so Gavin's awesome, You're

19
00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,600
Speaker 2: gonna see this here. Even in his last music, it's

20
00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,399
Speaker 2: talks about mental health and isolation and resilience, and so

21
00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:17,720
Speaker 2: I do want to talk with him now here. He

22
00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,360
Speaker 2: is really one of my favorite lead singers of all time,

23
00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:25,720
Speaker 2: the lovely and I mean that lovely guy. I even

24
00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:29,640
Speaker 2: tell him he's hot. Gavin Rosstelle, Gavin, good to see you, man,

25
00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,600
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. I've been a fan for a

26
00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,679
Speaker 2: long time. Like one of the first albums that I

27
00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:37,800
Speaker 2: listened to from the very beginning to the very end

28
00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,400
Speaker 2: when I started to like understand albums was you Guys'

29
00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,399
Speaker 2: first record Nice. So I feel like I've kind of

30
00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:46,480
Speaker 2: grown alongside you guys. Is that at what point in

31
00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,280
Speaker 2: your career did you start to take that as a

32
00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,160
Speaker 2: compliment where people would go, You've been a legend to

33
00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,160
Speaker 2: me for a long time.

34
00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,800
Speaker 1: Oh my god. It's just such an incredible thing to

35
00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:57,720
Speaker 1: hear from anybody. And you know, being in a band,

36
00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,480
Speaker 1: maybe it's different from stand up, but we're just needy.

37
00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,200
Speaker 1: There's a needy quality to it, you know, you want

38
00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,200
Speaker 1: people to like it. I don't go so far as

39
00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:07,800
Speaker 1: to do that thing where someone comes in the dress

40
00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,200
Speaker 1: room video what do you think of it? I don't

41
00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,919
Speaker 1: do that, but I'm secretly thinking hoping that they really

42
00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:18,960
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, you know. So it's just wild, you know,

43
00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,160
Speaker 1: when you have a career for amount of time, like

44
00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,000
Speaker 1: you know, as you have had, it's wild to have

45
00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,680
Speaker 1: that perspective, to think that you've been around long enough

46
00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,080
Speaker 1: to sort of matter to people on a wider scale

47
00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,800
Speaker 1: than like I love that song, you know. I mean, yeah,

48
00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:39,720
Speaker 1: so it's incredible and just it sort of gives you

49
00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,000
Speaker 1: that strength to want to continue on, and it gives

50
00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,040
Speaker 1: a real humility and a sense of devotion to whatever

51
00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,400
Speaker 1: your craft is, you know. And so it just makes

52
00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:51,120
Speaker 1: me want to do better shows and do better songs.

53
00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,000
Speaker 1: And I find it inspiring, you know what I.

54
00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:56,160
Speaker 2: Mean when someone will come up and say they've been

55
00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:57,799
Speaker 2: a fan or been consuming something I've been doing for

56
00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,640
Speaker 2: a long time, and they're like twenty eight and they're like,

57
00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,520
Speaker 2: I've been a fancais I was eight.

58
00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:03,600
Speaker 3: I'm like.

59
00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:10,040
Speaker 2: That mortality, That's what I think. Mortality I had that,

60
00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:10,960
Speaker 2: you know, I have that, you know.

61
00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,640
Speaker 1: I someone last night in my dress room, Man, I

62
00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:17,160
Speaker 1: grew up in your record was the first trip. When

63
00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,280
Speaker 1: I got seventeen, I said, you know, when I was

64
00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,360
Speaker 1: like seventeen, I said, it's so weird. I can't believe

65
00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,040
Speaker 1: I made it when I was eight. It was such

66
00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:23,840
Speaker 1: an accomplishment.

67
00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,720
Speaker 2: But you were young too. Yeah, it's just yeah, nothing matters.

68
00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:32,200
Speaker 1: It Just it's funny because from the outside you think

69
00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,480
Speaker 1: that everything matters. I remember when I turned forty, I

70
00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,960
Speaker 1: thought that the world was over. I thought I was

71
00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,040
Speaker 1: going to sign off and be like, listen, I'm on

72
00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,520
Speaker 1: the gang plank. Now wave to me before I get

73
00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,240
Speaker 1: booted off. And so you just realize that the what

74
00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,760
Speaker 1: sustains is quality. You know, that's what sustains, and so

75
00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,280
Speaker 1: therefore you have a different sort of emphasis. I think

76
00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:57,520
Speaker 1: I've gotten better at editing, meaning by that I mean

77
00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,160
Speaker 1: I don't always think it's great, so I go back

78
00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,840
Speaker 1: kind to try and rework things that I really have

79
00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,120
Speaker 1: a sort of a sense of what may work, what

80
00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,000
Speaker 1: may not work. So I just love being a student

81
00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,200
Speaker 1: of my craft, you know what I mean, just trying

82
00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,480
Speaker 1: to I mean Nashville, I was embarrassed at ev Into

83
00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:19,160
Speaker 1: Gives a Superstar and the garage there, and I'm intimidating.

84
00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:20,599
Speaker 3: There's all these people playing.

85
00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,320
Speaker 1: Guitar like I know, everyone's better than me, and this

86
00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:26,279
Speaker 1: it's all these old boys playing like these course spread spread,

87
00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,520
Speaker 1: course I'm just like, I'm just going to touch the

88
00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,040
Speaker 1: edge of the guitar and move on.

89
00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,680
Speaker 2: You know, this town it's wild because I mean it's

90
00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,200
Speaker 2: the land of giants. And you can go to a

91
00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,960
Speaker 2: bar and it's not someone who is not good so

92
00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,880
Speaker 2: they're playing a bar. It's someone that for some reason

93
00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,080
Speaker 2: hasn't been discovered for whatever element that they have that's special. Yet,

94
00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,120
Speaker 2: like you have to be so good to just play,

95
00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,360
Speaker 2: not so good to make it. But this town, yeah,

96
00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,440
Speaker 2: it is intimidating for folks when they first move here. Whenever,

97
00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,200
Speaker 2: when did you move to the States.

98
00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,560
Speaker 1: Well, obviously from the beginning, we spent a lot of

99
00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,560
Speaker 1: time in America and touring and in and out of

100
00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,160
Speaker 1: Los Angeless a lot. That's what my label was. But

101
00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:15,960
Speaker 1: really when I had when we had our first baby,

102
00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,919
Speaker 1: how old were you then? That was like, oh I

103
00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:21,440
Speaker 1: was mid thirties.

104
00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:23,840
Speaker 2: Oh so you didn't live here then for a while.

105
00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,120
Speaker 2: So why you guys were doing your early stuff. You

106
00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:27,600
Speaker 2: were just traveling, just on the road.

107
00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,960
Speaker 1: I didn't live anywhere. And it's funny, you know, it's

108
00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,240
Speaker 1: sort of it does swallow your life up. I think

109
00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,560
Speaker 1: some people are really good at doing it and finding

110
00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,520
Speaker 1: the balance. I've quite failed at that, you know, because

111
00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,200
Speaker 1: I noticed.

112
00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,920
Speaker 3: That my poor mum.

113
00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,480
Speaker 1: I noticed at a funeral when they had the pictures

114
00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,960
Speaker 1: at the church when they were doing the service, and

115
00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,640
Speaker 1: it was a history of her life, you know, and

116
00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,560
Speaker 1: everyone's at these parties were and this is me. I'm

117
00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,000
Speaker 1: either at our house or a couple of restaurants we

118
00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,800
Speaker 1: would go to. And I was like, that has been

119
00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,280
Speaker 1: the price of it, that you're just always away? Do

120
00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,279
Speaker 1: you sort of separate yourself from life, from your everyday life,

121
00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:11,960
Speaker 1: and you can go back and catch up with people.

122
00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,719
Speaker 1: But I always miss people's birthdays, I always miss events,

123
00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:17,080
Speaker 1: things that are happening.

124
00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,480
Speaker 3: But that's just the price of it.

125
00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,000
Speaker 2: Would you go back and change anything about that part

126
00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:23,799
Speaker 2: of it if you could?

127
00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,719
Speaker 3: Well, the problem is is that I don't.

128
00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,240
Speaker 1: I mean, i'd be terrible to live in some kind

129
00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,600
Speaker 1: of regret about it. I don't regret it. I'm not

130
00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,560
Speaker 1: sure there's part this was that much fun. I don't know.

131
00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,400
Speaker 1: Maybe they were, but I should have been that. But

132
00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:43,080
Speaker 1: it's more that I really am. I don't believe in much,

133
00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, but I do believe in the sort of

134
00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,800
Speaker 1: order of things and synchronosity. I believe in a lot

135
00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,240
Speaker 1: is telling you about running into some of the new

136
00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,520
Speaker 1: the keyboard player that i'd just done NPR tiny desk

137
00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,279
Speaker 1: with and at a coffee shop on a small town

138
00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:03,440
Speaker 1: in Nashville, ran on a Thursday lunchtime. So I love that.

139
00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,560
Speaker 1: So that's what I think that you also makes your

140
00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,000
Speaker 1: life easier. You're never in the wrong place. You're always

141
00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000
Speaker 1: in the right place, even if you don't like it.

142
00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,720
Speaker 2: So do you believe everything happened for a reason?

143
00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,040
Speaker 3: I think so, you think?

144
00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,520
Speaker 1: So I like to think of that, and I don't,

145
00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,080
Speaker 1: as I say, I'm not particularly I kind of definitely

146
00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:28,080
Speaker 1: connect with like Buddhist philosophies of sort of kindness and

147
00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:33,000
Speaker 1: empathy and all those things and morality, but I don't

148
00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:37,480
Speaker 1: really believe in that. You know, I grew up going

149
00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,760
Speaker 1: to a school where everyone would sing the hymns and church,

150
00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:46,680
Speaker 1: and I would be like, is that really I'd look around,

151
00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,040
Speaker 1: even as a small child, I couldn't connect to that

152
00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,280
Speaker 1: being a reality. I just thought it was felt like control.

153
00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,480
Speaker 1: That was a young punk in me, you know, it

154
00:07:55,560 --> 00:08:00,480
Speaker 1: just felt like control and everyone just nodding along to

155
00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,200
Speaker 1: make sure they're, you know, under the right control. So

156
00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,120
Speaker 1: but I do believe that we find ourselves where we're

157
00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:08,560
Speaker 1: meant to be.

158
00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:09,840
Speaker 3: However hard that is.

159
00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:17,880
Speaker 2: I grew in a very controlled Christian household. My grandmother

160
00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,880
Speaker 2: adopted me, and so I kind of went from being

161
00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,080
Speaker 2: Pentecostal to Baptists too, And in church for me was

162
00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:25,880
Speaker 2: also a place where they would take care of me,

163
00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:27,840
Speaker 2: where I could eat, because I'd pretty rough up upbringing,

164
00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,679
Speaker 2: and I was taught and like everything is going to

165
00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,520
Speaker 2: happen because it's supposed to happen. As I got older, though,

166
00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,080
Speaker 2: I really struggled with thinking, if that's true, that means

167
00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,480
Speaker 2: I have to do nothing, I don't have to work hard.

168
00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:43,120
Speaker 3: Right.

169
00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,320
Speaker 2: That means that people are getting things and they were

170
00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:48,640
Speaker 2: going to get them the whole time.

171
00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:54,800
Speaker 1: I struggle with that, except you're making conscious decisions to

172
00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:59,040
Speaker 1: try and reverse something that you think might happen as

173
00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,200
Speaker 1: according to what you're taking. So in a way, you're

174
00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,920
Speaker 1: continuing to follow that tenet of just creating your own thing.

175
00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,559
Speaker 1: If your destiny was to not create this.

176
00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:10,280
Speaker 3: Sort of.

177
00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,560
Speaker 1: A big setup that you have, and your destiny was

178
00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,679
Speaker 1: to just work at the coffee shop I was at

179
00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,880
Speaker 1: this morning and leave it at that, that would have

180
00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:21,480
Speaker 1: been what you.

181
00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:21,959
Speaker 3: Would have done.

182
00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:23,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true, but I know the

183
00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:24,240
Speaker 2: thing is.

184
00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:25,000
Speaker 3: That you can't.

185
00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,079
Speaker 1: It's what you did, is what you did, the path

186
00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,840
Speaker 1: you chose, whether you wrestled with it or not, it's

187
00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,040
Speaker 1: what you did and it's where you found yourself. And

188
00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,280
Speaker 1: this is not easy to come by. This, So the viewers,

189
00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure they're where. There's more awards than I've

190
00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,200
Speaker 1: ever seen up here, and it's this Quincy Jones's house

191
00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:45,480
Speaker 1: and so.

192
00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,480
Speaker 3: You just you, just you you.

193
00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,120
Speaker 1: Whether you like it or not, you had your journey

194
00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,680
Speaker 1: and you've been on it and it's incredible. So I

195
00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,679
Speaker 1: think there's something beautiful in that. It means you can't

196
00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,320
Speaker 1: something you would let go on. Not something I overthink about,

197
00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,200
Speaker 1: but certainly when I run into something like that, that

198
00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:08,040
Speaker 1: concept of synchronosity Carl Jung spoke about that a lot

199
00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,319
Speaker 1: does seem you know, you run into people when you

200
00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,880
Speaker 1: should and it's quite wild how that happens, which which

201
00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:17,280
Speaker 1: makes it quite hard on no Sound. It's the only

202
00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,920
Speaker 1: thing I don't like about LA because I grew up

203
00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,760
Speaker 1: in London, is there's not enough chance. And I love

204
00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:23,839
Speaker 1: that element of chance.

205
00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,000
Speaker 2: Why is there not enough chance?

206
00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,920
Speaker 1: Because traffic, because you're walking. You're not walking everywhere in

207
00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,280
Speaker 1: your car. And you know, people in their cars in

208
00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,080
Speaker 1: la literally they cannot see outside the cars. You know,

209
00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,800
Speaker 1: Tho's windows are like fake. People are not even looking

210
00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,080
Speaker 1: out of them. They're in their worlds, on their phone

211
00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,079
Speaker 1: and doing their music and every now and again to

212
00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:42,800
Speaker 1: check the lights and then they go back to what

213
00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,000
Speaker 1: they're doing. It's crazy when you drive their people just

214
00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,880
Speaker 1: in their own world. So, you know, London, you can

215
00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,120
Speaker 1: walk around when you If I leave my house in

216
00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,800
Speaker 1: London and I go to a bar, I go to

217
00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,240
Speaker 1: a coffee shop, or I go anywhere in the area

218
00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,040
Speaker 1: that I live, I'm always going to bump into some

219
00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,679
Speaker 1: one and they're going to say, oh, do you want

220
00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,760
Speaker 1: to go over there? So you and you just it

221
00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,640
Speaker 1: just it tags all of that. So that element of chance,

222
00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,200
Speaker 1: I think is is is alive.

223
00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:14,760
Speaker 2: And well you bring up how you know there's synchronicity

224
00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,120
Speaker 2: that happens in life and the Buddhist teachings. I read

225
00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,040
Speaker 2: The Art of Happiness by the Dalai Lama and that

226
00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,640
Speaker 2: book meant a lot to me in different reasons that

227
00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,200
Speaker 2: I'm not Buddhists, but I think there's a lot that

228
00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,600
Speaker 2: I took from that, and mostly I think it was

229
00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:33,040
Speaker 2: perspective of if something's going wrong for me in my life,

230
00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,760
Speaker 2: and I'm like, dang, I'm sad about it, woe is me,

231
00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,880
Speaker 2: That's okay. But instead of comparing upward, because that's what

232
00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,320
Speaker 2: we do, we tend to go, man, everybody else is

233
00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,480
Speaker 2: doing all this and I'm not getting this. It's like,

234
00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,920
Speaker 2: there are so many people that are We'll just say,

235
00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,040
Speaker 2: for the sake of the tears, are below you that

236
00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,600
Speaker 2: have it so much worse. And we spend our entire

237
00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,080
Speaker 2: life comparing upward and making us feel bad when we

238
00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:55,760
Speaker 2: could look and there are people that have it so

239
00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:00,319
Speaker 2: much harder than us, and we're not looking at that

240
00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,320
Speaker 2: lends to see how good we actually have it. I

241
00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:10,320
Speaker 2: find I take a lot from the preachings of the

242
00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,760
Speaker 2: Dalai Lama and the teachings of Buddhism without being a

243
00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,480
Speaker 2: Buddhist at all. So when you said that, that struck me

244
00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:15,640
Speaker 2: in same as me, Yeah.

245
00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,280
Speaker 1: Because I mean if you if you eat meat and

246
00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:23,840
Speaker 1: you drink alcohol, you are no longer a Buddhist. So yeah,

247
00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,520
Speaker 1: I take a lot from that too, and I and

248
00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:30,720
Speaker 1: I you know, for me, it's very humbling to do

249
00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,000
Speaker 1: the shows, and there are times when I'm you know,

250
00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,360
Speaker 1: you feel over work, you feel harassed. You want to

251
00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,160
Speaker 1: do a great show, but you've had a number of

252
00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,960
Speaker 1: sort of side swipes in the day. Then you go

253
00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,160
Speaker 1: and do the show, and I maybe and you'll see

254
00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,640
Speaker 1: as simple as seeing somebody who's watching the show from

255
00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,640
Speaker 1: wheelchair I stayed last night is in the crowd is

256
00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,040
Speaker 1: like three people are hugged in a wheelchair. That's the

257
00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,840
Speaker 1: simplest sort of example of like you have nothing to

258
00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:03,440
Speaker 1: get plain about if you're able bodied and wandering around

259
00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,360
Speaker 1: compared to people with these wonderful spirits who come there

260
00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:12,520
Speaker 1: to what shows and are in wheelchairs. So that's on

261
00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,880
Speaker 1: a really simple level, is it kind of a It

262
00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,199
Speaker 1: is a kind of a shock to the system. Having

263
00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,400
Speaker 1: said that, it's also okay to have some complaints and

264
00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,560
Speaker 1: to sort of try and have your own boundaries of

265
00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,800
Speaker 1: things and what would upset you, what would upset most

266
00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,400
Speaker 1: people are sort of if you're pushed to an extreme

267
00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:35,080
Speaker 1: and you're exhausted and you're called left and right, it's okay.

268
00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,080
Speaker 1: It's just human to be like, man, this is bothering me.

269
00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,360
Speaker 1: But then, as you say, the perspective is just to

270
00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,840
Speaker 1: be like, well, here's the other one. You could be

271
00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,160
Speaker 1: in a situation where no one cares and you're just

272
00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,160
Speaker 1: at home and you have all the time in the world.

273
00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,840
Speaker 1: How does that feel. That'd be a lot worse. Yeah,

274
00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:51,840
Speaker 1: so I measure it.

275
00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,520
Speaker 2: I do that if I'm really tired, because I have

276
00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:56,880
Speaker 2: a wonderful job that I've worked hard for. But there

277
00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,559
Speaker 2: are times where I'm sure, same as you, days not

278
00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:04,760
Speaker 2: go and go. You're not feeling great, maybe you're hungry, exhausted, whatever,

279
00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,360
Speaker 2: and you're like this guy sucks. But if I'm able

280
00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,200
Speaker 2: to be tired because of something that I love to do,

281
00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,679
Speaker 2: that is a gift for sure. And I think that

282
00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,719
Speaker 2: is a perspective shift that I have to look at

283
00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,000
Speaker 2: sometimes because I'll just I'll be out and I'm like, man,

284
00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,760
Speaker 2: this sucks. But I do have to shift that perspective

285
00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:24,080
Speaker 2: and go, dude, how lucky am I to get to

286
00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,280
Speaker 2: be tired. That's something that I've worked so hard to

287
00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:26,800
Speaker 2: get to do.

288
00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:27,520
Speaker 4: Right.

289
00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:29,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

290
00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:36,000
Speaker 2: Do you get on stage middle of a show and

291
00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,400
Speaker 2: just check out and you're so tired and you're thinking about, man,

292
00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,040
Speaker 2: why do you go buy groceries?

293
00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,000
Speaker 3: I was actually gonna say well I do that anyway.

294
00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,600
Speaker 1: I've always doen a grocery list when I'm singing, because

295
00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,160
Speaker 1: you gotta I need.

296
00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:48,800
Speaker 3: So many things.

297
00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,360
Speaker 1: But the one saving grace that I find, I mean,

298
00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:59,320
Speaker 1: is that the one place that's like sacricanct sacred is

299
00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,400
Speaker 1: the show itself. I can you know, it's all a

300
00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,160
Speaker 1: bit around it, and I'm like Jesus Christ, I know Nebraska,

301
00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,240
Speaker 1: but I don't need to see it again today. But

302
00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,280
Speaker 1: then you go and do a show, and that's where

303
00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,160
Speaker 1: it all changes, Like.

304
00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:13,960
Speaker 2: That moment on stage.

305
00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's it's all it's it's quite intense, and

306
00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,600
Speaker 1: maybe it's the same for you. If I'm going to

307
00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,600
Speaker 1: be it's really simple. I have a simple philosophy. If

308
00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to be away from my boys, my kids

309
00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,920
Speaker 1: and be on the road a lot, which we are,

310
00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,680
Speaker 1: the only only way I can justify it is by

311
00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,680
Speaker 1: being as wild and as interesting as possible on stage.

312
00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,320
Speaker 1: And we're to go out and anyway, I've never like

313
00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,680
Speaker 1: phoned in the show or you know, I sometimes I

314
00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,720
Speaker 1: look down and gone, Jesus Christ has seventeen songs to go,

315
00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, I feel exhausted, but that goes away pretty quick,

316
00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,560
Speaker 1: and I pride myself, and I'm very lucky to have

317
00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,160
Speaker 1: that in the band. On like every show, it's just

318
00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,600
Speaker 1: got to be the greatest thing you could ever And

319
00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:02,960
Speaker 1: then it makes it interesting because I would think that

320
00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,240
Speaker 1: if you ever got on stage and you just like

321
00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:10,200
Speaker 1: overly separator from the show. I find it very difficult

322
00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,560
Speaker 1: to not have consistently other thoughts. Whether I have an

323
00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,320
Speaker 1: adhdal or I don't know. It's just that life is

324
00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,280
Speaker 1: just like that. I mean, that moment, I'm like, man,

325
00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,120
Speaker 1: what happened? And then you're all over the place. But

326
00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,720
Speaker 1: the show is everything, and so without making the show

327
00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,440
Speaker 1: the priority, So I know, I don't find it there,

328
00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,200
Speaker 1: but I sure find it when I'm wandering around looking

329
00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,520
Speaker 1: for breakfast and everywhere shut and I can't.

330
00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah what am I doing? You know?

331
00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:36,640
Speaker 2: Are you traveling by tour bus?

332
00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:37,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

333
00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,160
Speaker 2: So you finish the show, you get on the bus.

334
00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:40,640
Speaker 2: The bus leaves the middle of the night and drives

335
00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:42,520
Speaker 2: to the next How do you sleep on the bus?

336
00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,280
Speaker 3: Badly? Badly?

337
00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,120
Speaker 1: You know, it's just sort of in the back and

338
00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,120
Speaker 1: it's bouncing around. I mean again, it's the nicest way

339
00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,600
Speaker 1: to travel. We're playing with a band, James and the

340
00:16:54,600 --> 00:17:00,000
Speaker 1: Cold Gun. They're in a tiny kind of truck bus.

341
00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,320
Speaker 1: They're loading their stuff in and off the stage. I

342
00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,359
Speaker 1: watch them every night and I'm just I just feel

343
00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,240
Speaker 1: for them. I'm so impressed by them working that hard.

344
00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,000
Speaker 1: You know, I've got text. I walk on stage and

345
00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,880
Speaker 1: I make the shape of a guitar someone who fell

346
00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,760
Speaker 1: down dead, you know, but up right, and then they

347
00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,719
Speaker 1: put it in. They're given the guitar, so they make

348
00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,679
Speaker 1: it so easy, you know, it's it's they let me

349
00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,560
Speaker 1: just do the show. So that again, it's all perspectives,

350
00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:31,000
Speaker 1: like you say, you know, and I've really learned a

351
00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:34,320
Speaker 1: while ago that that my one of my favorite kind

352
00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,040
Speaker 1: of tenets is that comparison is a thief of joy

353
00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,400
Speaker 1: because you can anyone could look and see someone else

354
00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,600
Speaker 1: in their world who's doing better than they are. It's

355
00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,920
Speaker 1: really easy because the bigger people get, the more that

356
00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,920
Speaker 1: we see we read about them. So you're like, oh, man,

357
00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, am I ever going to play a stadium?

358
00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:51,199
Speaker 4: No?

359
00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,600
Speaker 1: But you know you're playing arenas and you're doing great things.

360
00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,960
Speaker 1: So it's it's like it is I suppose this is

361
00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,159
Speaker 1: one of the secrets to life, is does.

362
00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,840
Speaker 2: It remind you of when you guys were traveling around.

363
00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:04,760
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a car, truck, a

364
00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,760
Speaker 2: small van, like way back in the early early Bush days,

365
00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,480
Speaker 2: you guys did that too, right of course, what was

366
00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:09,879
Speaker 2: that like?

367
00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,959
Speaker 1: Well, the voxamp that I had was really heavy, so

368
00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,119
Speaker 1: it was like all heavy carrying in places. But it

369
00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:18,080
Speaker 1: was normal. You know at that point when you're doing it,

370
00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,760
Speaker 1: you're doing it because you would love music so much

371
00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,359
Speaker 1: and you have a dream of something. But I was

372
00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,640
Speaker 1: an idiot. I mean, I'm barely just beyond that now.

373
00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,159
Speaker 1: But the idea that I didn't know what the future held,

374
00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,639
Speaker 1: so I was like all I wanted to do is

375
00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:35,000
Speaker 1: not have a proper job. So I was like, you know,

376
00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,639
Speaker 1: if I just keep making songs this, I'm not going

377
00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,520
Speaker 1: to have to go do that. And that's what I

378
00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,199
Speaker 1: focus on. Was just like going from one day to

379
00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,280
Speaker 1: the next. And it's so brilliant because I was so ignorant,

380
00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,000
Speaker 1: because I had no concept if someone had told me

381
00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,639
Speaker 1: that all these years later I could be here in

382
00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,600
Speaker 1: Nashville would be talking. I didn't know if that was

383
00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,600
Speaker 1: a possibility. I didn't know what that was. I made

384
00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,480
Speaker 1: that first record and then went back to work. You know,

385
00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,280
Speaker 1: it was like a regular working guy.

386
00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,359
Speaker 2: I just made the record and then had a real

387
00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,800
Speaker 2: job after you made the record? What was your real job.

388
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:09,920
Speaker 3: Patron decorator?

389
00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,920
Speaker 1: So so you know, I can't help walking into places

390
00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:14,840
Speaker 1: and comparing things.

391
00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,479
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have done like that. I would have actually

392
00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:19,760
Speaker 3: in your place.

393
00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,399
Speaker 2: How long did you have to work then after the

394
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:23,160
Speaker 2: record was made?

395
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,520
Speaker 1: Four months? Four months? Because yeah, four months. I went

396
00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,240
Speaker 1: back to work and they will still figure out distribution.

397
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 1: But I didn't understand. Again, you know, I compounded my

398
00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:35,679
Speaker 1: stupidity with things like I didn't really know that you

399
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,920
Speaker 1: could sign a record deal then you needed distribution deal,

400
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,800
Speaker 1: which in the meantime, once we had delivered that record

401
00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,440
Speaker 1: got rejected by that said distributor, so they dropped us.

402
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,800
Speaker 1: So I just thought was part of the course. I

403
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:49,399
Speaker 1: just was I've made a record. It was just the

404
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,680
Speaker 1: most exciting thing I could imagine. So when I went

405
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:56,119
Speaker 1: back to work, I was thinking, brilliant. Fuck it, I

406
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:56,840
Speaker 1: made the record.

407
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:58,719
Speaker 3: I did it. I mean my I didn't.

408
00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,919
Speaker 1: I didn't have the perspective of what was possible with

409
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,199
Speaker 1: I was in England. You know, in England, people were

410
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,640
Speaker 1: in bands and they'd either get in this thing OneD

411
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,959
Speaker 1: top of the Pops and you'd have a hit record

412
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,440
Speaker 1: and then you do a tour which was like nine shows.

413
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,200
Speaker 1: You can do England and you can't do Texas and

414
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:15,879
Speaker 1: nine shows.

415
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

416
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 5: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

417
00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,320
Speaker 2: You said something really interesting that I also subscribe to

418
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:39,200
Speaker 2: is that if you're naive but you will work hard,

419
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,360
Speaker 2: that is almost a superpower because you don't know what

420
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,160
Speaker 2: the failures are ahead of you. You just know kind

421
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 2: of what you love and you chase it without understanding.

422
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,679
Speaker 2: Like some really great things can happen from being naive

423
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,119
Speaker 2: and just going for it.

424
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, like I'm feral, I'm a

425
00:20:55,000 --> 00:21:00,240
Speaker 1: federal musician. So in this town, it's ironic because you know,

426
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 1: I would think most of Nashville is better at guitar

427
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 1: than me. But yeah, I found a way to use

428
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 1: my guitar with my ideas and with my vocal melodies

429
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 1: that rises above so much quality just by the nature

430
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 1: of his alchemy, not by the nature of his individual parts,

431
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:22,119
Speaker 1: you know. And that's what I find exciting and I

432
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 1: think is invigorating, especially for people who are forging their

433
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 1: own way, is that you just never know. You just

434
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,919
Speaker 1: never know what your alchemy, your own personal combination of

435
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 1: things is going to elicit. You don't know, you don't

436
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 1: know what the opportunities are. And I have a young

437
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 1: boys now, you know, young teenagers or whatever, or older

438
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,880
Speaker 1: teenagers whatever, seventeen nineteen, who are now going into life.

439
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,719
Speaker 3: It's a wild time because it's all ver everyone in good.

440
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got a thirty to twelve year old

441
00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 1: who's an amazing boy, and everyone loves him. There's no

442
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: perspective because he's just a kid.

443
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:01,919
Speaker 3: You know.

444
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: It's what's interesting is when you have kids and then

445
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 1: they sort of go out into the world independent of you,

446
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 1: and you sort of you see.

447
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 3: What they're like.

448
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,320
Speaker 1: You know, how tenacious they are, how driven they are,

449
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:17,960
Speaker 1: what they're fascinated by other people's impressions of them, you know,

450
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,920
Speaker 1: because you know, the worst thing any parent can do,

451
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: I think is this is having an unlikable kid. Do

452
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: you have an unlikable kid that's an unlikable adult adult,

453
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: that's a person who's going to struggle immensely in life,

454
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, if you're not likable to some degree, And

455
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 1: so I just kept an eye on that. But they're

456
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,840
Speaker 1: sort of independent on me. They didn't want my help.

457
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: They both took the two eldest ones are really into music,

458
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 1: and I'm like gently try to sort of trail behind them,

459
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 1: like a sort of a vapor cloud, saying do you

460
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 1: want any help with that? Like no, keep away? You know,

461
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: and it's beautiful, it's part of its independence. But that's

462
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: what I find interesting is that you just never know,

463
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 1: and the only thing you can control is your own

464
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: skill set and whatever is you choose to do. So

465
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 1: I just I just can't believe I had the sort

466
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: of the arrogance and the ignorance, the kind of the

467
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: combination of the two to think I could write songs

468
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: when you come to sort of someone in Nashville and

469
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 1: you have the unbelievable writers that you just see like that,

470
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: I just I just forged it. I just I just

471
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 1: pushed it through the meat grinder just to see what

472
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: would come out, and then you get something interesting.

473
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 2: I think, my, my, the juxtaposition that's odd is wildly

474
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 2: insecure and like voraciously confident.

475
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: That's absolutely that's the wild. That's the wild kind of dichotomy,

476
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: the kind of the confusion. It makes no sense, but

477
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: that's so perceptive that that's that's the irony of it all,

478
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 1: that it takes mad confidence to go on. I mean

479
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 1: I was rejected for so long, you know, through two

480
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: other bands I was in, and then and everyone left

481
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: those bands. You know, it's just like last man standing,

482
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: go we can do it, fellas, you know, like we

483
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: can not together, we can't. And they all left me.

484
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: And then I just was like, oh shit. So I

485
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: started to write, started to work with Bush and that

486
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: was only two years of since the very beginning of

487
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: it when we sign, So that was a healthy thing.

488
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's not about it's really good to have.

489
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 1: The technique is everything. It's really great to have technique

490
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 1: and knowledge, but it really is about sort of just

491
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: what happens when you you the science of putting four

492
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: ingredients together and just seeing what happens, what comes out

493
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: from them.

494
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 2: I feel like I have a screw loose, but for me,

495
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: it happens to be the right screw for what I

496
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: want to do. Because to just get into a world

497
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 2: of art, you do have to be nuts because there

498
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 2: is no security in it. You you are, you know,

499
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 2: making your money or you're living off other people's tastes

500
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 2: and opinions like you're presenting it and going please like

501
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: what I'm doing?

502
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: Nuts and broken and some some degree of broken, and

503
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: that that those breaks that there painful for sort of

504
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: to live through. You know, you reference your own struggles

505
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: with sounds a lot. Those are the very things that

506
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 1: make you interesting and make people. It gives you a

507
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: sort of a truth if you've when you when you've

508
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: suffered appropriately, you just have a certain confidence in your

509
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,959
Speaker 1: aesthetic because that's what you got, and people pick up

510
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: on that. I think we're picked. People pick up. People

511
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: can pick that up from you. How you know genuine

512
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: people people when else come out you speak? Are you authentic?

513
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 3: You know?

514
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: Did you grow up really dirt poor? If you didn't

515
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 1: grow up you can never sing a song. You know, well,

516
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: it's like, did you grow up with some perspective on things?

517
00:25:54,800 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: And what happens is you it's by writing things. People

518
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: find things that are funny or touching because it echoes

519
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: their life that no one else has validated, no one

520
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: else has referenced. And it's an amazing function of art,

521
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: whether it's I mean, I'm a huge stand up fan

522
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 1: and music and it's like you make people feel seen

523
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: that the fans of us that whatever we do, it's

524
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: because we tap into a real sort of vulnerability within

525
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: them that they feel suddenly this connection to and music

526
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: is so incredible for that because it's just so malleable.

527
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: It can it's everywhere, just in your ears, it's in

528
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: your car and you I can have an idea, I

529
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: can have a perspective, and when I put it out

530
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: there in the world, someone says, this is speak, this

531
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: is my language. And you know, like how your favorite

532
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: song is your song. It's not the artist's song, it's

533
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: your song. And I think that's the that's the crucks,

534
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 1: that's abuse of it.

535
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 2: You know how you say it was your third band,

536
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: Bush was Do you think if Bush went have worked out,

537
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: you'd gone to your fourth band, your fifth band, would

538
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: you still be performing today in a form?

539
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: Well, that's like your first your first question about like,

540
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: hang on, if I just sat down, what would happen? Well,

541
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 1: you had been the guy that decided to sit down.

542
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: That was your destiny. So I didn't know how to

543
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: give up. I don't know how to give up. I'm

544
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: half Scottish, so it's like, you know, the Scottish drunks.

545
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: You have to kill us in a bar, he literally,

546
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: otherwise they're going to just find a way to.

547
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: Get back into it.

548
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: So and it's no one's ever said that, but I've

549
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: always felt that that you said that, it takes this

550
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: wild confidence in this wild coupled with wild insecurity. So

551
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: you're insecurity and you you're broken. My for instance, in

552
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: the first band, specifically the first band, the second one

553
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: in England, the reason that was given was always my voice.

554
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: You know, they always would say, can't really sing?

555
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: You know, the negative was your voice.

556
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was always that was my worst thing. And

557
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: I was just thinking to myself. I wasn't even smart

558
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: to say yet. I just was like, oh okay, no,

559
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: continue singing over here. And so that must have said,

560
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: you know, the constant rejection that I that I felt

561
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: for a number of years, it was always my voice

562
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 1: and then you know, it wasn't that good on stage.

563
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,239
Speaker 1: One guy I remember saying, and you know what I mean,

564
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: I still remember it and it didn't hurt and all

565
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: you can do is just like just prove them wrong

566
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: and that's it. And I had yeah, oh right, yeah,

567
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: but I didn't. There was things is that I was

568
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: very clear that but since I decided to do music.

569
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 3: Since I was seventeen.

570
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: I never worked in anywhere where they could I could

571
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: be valuable. I thought I was in danger if I

572
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: went to it environment where I actually could be a value.

573
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: I worked in a couple of coffee shops. I did

574
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: work on building sites, and my one of my best

575
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: friend's dad had a building site, so building jobs, so

576
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 1: we would go and work for him, painting, decorating. And

577
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: I just never wanted to be where anyone would be like,

578
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: do we have to promote you? This company might not

579
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: able to work without you. I've made sure that that

580
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: was never the case. I just was a lackey so

581
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: that it was just about the music. And I never

582
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: thought in any other way. And I never had a

583
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: I didn't have money, I didn't have or anything made backdrop,

584
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: but I thought that was essential, you know everything. At

585
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: that point when I was the first beginning, I lived in

586
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: an apartment with like five people, and all of us

587
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: were saying of friends of us, we're all best friends.

588
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: Everything would be like the It was all like Jim Morrison,

589
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: Well what would Jim do?

590
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: Now?

591
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: He'd take them all? Okay, you know what would Jim do?

592
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: So Jim would never quit and would never think about

593
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: he just would like I was obsessed with Bokowski, so

594
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: his all of his books were written about from the

595
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: perspective of failure and loss. But those everything, all those

596
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: poems spoke to me so deeply. I could never use

597
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: them in my songs because whenever I tried to be

598
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: a storyteller writer like maybe they are really good in Nashville,

599
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: I was just terrible. I just couldn't. I was so disingenuous.

600
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: It just was awful. I once wrote a song called

601
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: Johnny and Mary and it was that was the first

602
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: and last of the of the story songs I wrote.

603
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: It just was a shocker, but a good lesson in

604
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: how to turn left. So whenever I could never use

605
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: what Bokowski wrote. But I just I wanted to get

606
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: to write lines that would oh that make you, make you,

607
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, just get you, just like, oh my God,

608
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: disarm you. And Ginsburg was the other end of it,

609
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: which was much more more.

610
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: I thing.

611
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: I could totally inherit, that sort of crazy, chaotic, swirly

612
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: thoughts that are just sort of pushed together and it

613
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: just creates this sort of amazing kind of throbbing, massive

614
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: confusion and you know, words that mental furniture and things

615
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: that go together or don't normally go together, and have

616
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: fed my words, you know, fed into the Bowie thing

617
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: that I liked, which was Burrows cut up technique.

618
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: So all of that. But the way the.

619
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: Bukowski rode just made my heart sad, you know. So

620
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: I wanted to find ways to create that same effect.

621
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: When you said you didn't want to be valuable, were

622
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: you afraid of comfort? Because if you were comfortable, maybe

623
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: you want to continue to pursue.

624
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

625
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: I didn't want someone to be like, yo, we can plainly,

626
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: like we can play, pay you properly, and then I'd

627
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: be I'd have to be like music, you know whatever.

628
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: You know, I just made sure I never had that option.

629
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 4: The Bobby cast will be right back. This is the

630
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 4: Bobby cast.

631
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: I've often felt like, because I come from pretty severe poverty,

632
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: that that was such a blessing for me in my

633
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 2: space because there was never any comfort to go. Man,

634
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't want to lose this good

635
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: job that I have, Like, I don't know if I

636
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 2: want to go backward, because I add nothing. Everything was

637
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: shooting at the stars and it allowed me to really

638
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 2: try to shoot for the stars. And I feel like

639
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: a bit that's what you were maintaining as well.

640
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

641
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: And I had nothing, and as you know, and I

642
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: went it was a weird time. And it's so brilliant

643
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: to look back and then reflect on that time as

644
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: a young person trying to just follow their heart.

645
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: And I just couldn't quit.

646
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: And then I've gone on so long of singing, you know,

647
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: like five six, seven years where it was just like

648
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, well, guy still trying to sing,

649
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, you know, And but I didn't know anything

650
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: else what I could, didn't have any idea what else

651
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: to do. And that's the best thing about life and

652
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: the greatest lesson to ever in part on anyone is

653
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: this whole thing of you never know.

654
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 3: And people ask me.

655
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: Someone asked me yesterday in the car Parker was hanging

656
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: out with after the show, what advice would you give me?

657
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: And I'm a young musician, I'm an artist. I'm trying

658
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: to what was the best advice you can give me?

659
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 1: And I try not to have anything by rote, but

660
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: I did say to him, I think that if you

661
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: just made the music you want to hear that'd be

662
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: that you could that makes you the most interesting you

663
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: could be, as opposed to trying to sound like Bruce

664
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: Springsteen or something whatever your heart would like. So that's

665
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: what it is, you know, you just forge your way.

666
00:33:55,000 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 1: And it's wild because it's such a modern, such such

667
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: an ancient job to like come into town with a

668
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: sort of a wagon full of Alexirs and you sing

669
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: a song and then you break some hearts and then

670
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: you leave and you leave some of your potions behind.

671
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: And in this modern world, I'm more scared for my

672
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: own kids because I wouldn't know.

673
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 3: I would not.

674
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: I mean I would like to be twenty one now,

675
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but I would. But it just

676
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: must be daunting for people to think what can they do?

677
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: And I just was.

678
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: I was just ignorant, wildly ignorant, and just full of

679
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: just intention intention.

680
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 2: So then what was it that with Bush? And what

681
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: was the first affirmation that you got? Was it a song?

682
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 3: Was like? What happened?

683
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: More people were like this band's good.

684
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: I met the guitar player and he through a friend

685
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: of mine, and he didn't really want to start a band, Nigel.

686
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: He's too busy getting paid, paid, for music. He was

687
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: doing for training videos, for corporate videos, stuff like that.

688
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: It was getting one thousand pounds a day for doing

689
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: that one thousand track, So that is a fortune, you know,

690
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: you could make. He could make between three and five

691
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: thousand a week, which is for us. I was living

692
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 1: on forty pounds from the government forty pounds or fifty

693
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: pounds a day painting, and I was a bit of

694
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: a criminal because I would get both. But you know,

695
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not I mean, it's obviously it's not

696
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: really about the money. It's just finding your vocation and

697
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: what you really feel connected to. And I found that

698
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: the money finds its way.

699
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 2: But like, what song? What song did you guys record?

700
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: I was going to say. The validation was he was

701
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: so good. And when I remember he didn't want to

702
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: be in the band. He said, I don't want to

703
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: do a band, so he said, if you bring me

704
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: the songs, and so I was like, I don't ask

705
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: me to write songs. The last guy didn't let me

706
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: play guitar, was so terrible a guitar. Then I was

707
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: like I was like a busker, lower capital busker, you know,

708
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: like a few chords, a few Neil Young songs and

709
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: when I began to I took some songs to him

710
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: and he demoed them up. And I didn't think it

711
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: was gonna be successful because I felt that the other

712
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: two bands i'd really made an effort to be what

713
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: is succes I wasn't doing the music in the band.

714
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: I was just singing, and I was singing what makes

715
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: it for success? But when I started working with this guy,

716
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,280
Speaker 1: I thought, for the first time, we could be interesting.

717
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: This is interesting. And all the bands that I loved

718
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: were all club bands. I didn't like bands that were

719
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: playing the mega domes in the arenas. It wasn't not America.

720
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: This wasn't I couldn't go and see Aerosmith.

721
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: You know.

722
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: I was just seeing small bands in small clubs, and

723
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: I thought that's what where cool bands played. And then

724
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, your parents' bands played the kind

725
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: of megaplaces. So it wasn't interest in that, but it

726
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: was just hearing what was possible. I didn't think of success.

727
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 1: I just thought I was like, I finally doing something good.

728
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: That's it.

729
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: I thought you was something good, and nothing really came

730
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 1: of it until I did a TV show.

731
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: I did a.

732
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: Battle of the bands and the TV show on Channel

733
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: four in England and you send your demo in and

734
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: you get chosen and we won. So that the winning

735
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: thing was to go on the TV show and do

736
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: a live performance like a video. And that's what kickstarted

737
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: my career because then that came to a guy in America.

738
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: He looked like the video was just the TV performance

739
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: of us, and so that was the first time I

740
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: was thinking something's happening. And then that took its usual time.

741
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: But you know, going to make a record with Clive Langer,

742
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: who'd worked with some amazing people with El Costello, Madness,

743
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: those were signs that I was going to make the record.

744
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: And it was only when I came here and I

745
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: went on tour for the first time. I played CBGB's

746
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: in New York which is now John Varvatos store, that

747
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: the crowd I went to get a you know, sound

748
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: check and all that is just a club, And when

749
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: we came back, it was packed and I'd never experienced that,

750
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: and I couldn't get through. You know, it's like super

751
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: cool biker dudes, tats and you know, super hot girlfriends.

752
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, what's going on?

753
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: It that was when I sort of felt something was brewing,

754
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: but not to the extent of anything larger than a

755
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: really successful, cool club band, because that's all I knew

756
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: of what.

757
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: Song hit first with fans where you started seeing them

758
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: sing it back.

759
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: Everything'sen the very first one, so then you one song

760
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: and then they didn't know the rest of it. But

761
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,399
Speaker 1: we was on tour for so long at that point,

762
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: maybe two years. Once I first hit all the clubs

763
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: over and over and everywhere we went there was such

764
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: a history of all the bands from Patti Smith, the

765
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: you know, Television, Sonic Youth, the Pumpkins, Nirvana, Hole, all

766
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: these bad they'd all been they were here a few

767
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: weeks ago, so you felt you were in the zeitgeist.

768
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: And so that felt really exciting.

769
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: You know, after everything's in, well, what happened?

770
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 3: What next?

771
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: That just that that record sixteen Stone, just yielded a

772
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: bunch of singles that did really good and everything we

773
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 1: you know, you'd go and you go and sale and

774
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: sell everything out, and you'd bring a song out and

775
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: it would do well on the charge you had MTV.

776
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: It was an incredible confluence of MTV radio touring.

777
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were good and you still are. But like

778
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: you were a good looking dude on MTV. That had

779
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: to just work so much in your advantage, right, I

780
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: mean because you were good. There are a lot of

781
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: great bands. Your guys were awesome. I was a massive fan,

782
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: but you were also hot. That didn't hurt, right, Well,

783
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: it doesn't hurt. Like everything it gets it can get.

784
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: It was also twisted in some ways against me in

785
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: some regards sometimes, well you know, you do the cover

786
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: of Spin that like, don't hate him because he's beautiful,

787
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: like sort of a bit embarrassing. So but I mean, obviously,

788
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: if you're in show biz, you want to you it's

789
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 1: it's I.

790
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: Never had that problem. I never had that problem.

791
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 3: You're a very good looking man.

792
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, Brad Pitt has had an easy

793
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: life because you're the most handsome man in the world,

794
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,959
Speaker 1: isn't it. It's like you wouldn't wouldn't have been Brad

795
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: without being that handsome. So I don't know, it's just

796
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: part of it. People connect with people they are they

797
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: think have equal proportions or however you describe people.

798
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: As and British that works too, right, I love your accent.

799
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 3: What accent?

800
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I asked about to order because I consume that album,

801
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 2: I ravage, just ate it up, and I didn't know

802
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: the order of songs or singles then, right like, I

803
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: just had the album. And so when I'm asking about

804
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 2: the timeline for me, still, I love slow songs because

805
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: I can hear the words. And so the first time

806
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 2: I heard Glysearine, I was like, this is my favorite song.

807
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: And so I didn't know where that came in the

808
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 2: whole or was that even a single?

809
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a single. Yeah, it wasn't so funny because.

810
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: You know, as the singer, and you know, I always

811
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: write the top lines, I write a lot of the songs,

812
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 1: and I collaborate on the songs with some of the

813
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: band and a couple of other people. But I'm always

814
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: so heavily involved creatively, and I've gotten i think, quite

815
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: good understanding at how to pace track listing and albums.

816
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: And songs I've done.

817
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: When I look back at that track listing, I'm like,

818
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 1: I like I was on acid or something. When I

819
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: do that, it literally makes no sense. It's the weirdest

820
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: track listing. But you know, I maybe should have followed that.

821
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: Maybe that was the secret source. So the chronology of

822
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: that record is really strange if you play it. But yeah,

823
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: because I was thinking that people's first song. And when

824
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: I get people's records, I love listening to the first song.

825
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: Listen to every record I can looking at the lyrics.

826
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: I love doing that. I feel a bit as a lyricist.

827
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: It's really important to me, and I always think, well,

828
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: this is they're telling us, just that this is the

829
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: song listened to the first one. So I think orders

830
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 1: really really important. Although I have no if you quizzed

831
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: me anything about the order of sixteen stone, I would

832
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: I would not have any defense.

833
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: I bought a bass guitar, and I just play an

834
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: acoustic guitar now as part of my act. But I

835
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 2: bought a bass guitar simply so I could learn that

836
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: boom boom boom, boom bom bom bom boom boom boom,

837
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 2: come down. Yeah, just to come down bassline. And I think,

838
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: you know, because there is an art to producing a record,

839
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: and sometimes the basis up, sometimes the basis down. Sometimes

840
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: the basis is just a part of it. You don't

841
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: really hear it unless you done. But that bassline is

842
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: so significant in that song, purposefully, I'm sure. So when

843
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 2: writing that song was I mean it was Did it

844
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 2: start with the bassline?

845
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: No, that came after really, because what happened is I

846
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: just had the chords doing it and when I went

847
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: to demo it with Nigel, when I say I did,

848
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: he kind of demoed it up. There's a Billy Cobbham bassline.

849
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: The massive attack used unfinished symphony and it's basically that.

850
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: It's basically that and I was just like with that

851
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 1: fit and I remember being in my bath listening to

852
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: it and I had this you know, I lived in

853
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 1: one bedroom with my girlfriend with me, and then another

854
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: friend lived down the other end with his girlfriend. There's

855
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: a guy in the hallway and the guy and we

856
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 1: had a brilliant because the I had my record player

857
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 1: and my any music on a doctor trolley and I'd

858
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: go up and down the hallway and I'd move the

859
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: speakers wherever whatever room we're in if we're hanging out,

860
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: everyone hanging out in the bedroom watching TV. And so

861
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: I remember specifically having those speakers and being down the

862
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: end in my bath and going this is wow, that

863
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: could be. So that's what that's how that came about.

864
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: The Billy Common baseline.

865
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: So it's such a significant part of that song. Yeah,

866
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: like that when I think about that song, and that's

867
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 2: what I mean. Obviously it's the beginning of the song,

868
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: but it's a lot of songs don't feature the bass

869
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: like that song really feature level I grew up on.

870
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: In England, we have a lot of those sound systems,

871
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: you know, for dance hall the West London, they have

872
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: a lot of these parties. Were like the speakers the

873
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: size of that, you know what I mean, And so

874
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: they'd set up and you have these dance hall all

875
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: night raves things like that, you know, dances and they

876
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 1: had rave as well. But so I've always being into

877
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: that side of life. All my basslines are sort of

878
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: reggae basslines because I just love that that insistent bass,

879
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 1: So I or every all of our songs have that

880
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: I like and I like a loud bass.

881
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 2: You know, did you ever have a complicated relationship with

882
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 2: those early songs in what way in that after a

883
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: decade or so, maybe you just don't want to play

884
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 2: them anymore for a while.

885
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there were certain times when I

886
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: kind of rest certain songs if I've had a little

887
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: bit of burnout with kind of maybe not the premiere

888
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: tier that we have played with the secondary ones that

889
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: are kind of optional. There are times in our rest

890
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: songs for a bit, but it you know, in order

891
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: for those songs to make sense, I just let them

892
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: reflect where I am on that very day. I don't

893
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: try and pivot back to where I them or what

894
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: I was thinking about, because that's exhausting, and so I

895
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: just go through and I'm just really present in the songs,

896
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: and you know, the songs will give me everything. So

897
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 1: I don't have that thing of I'm a friend of

898
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: mine who has a band, really good band, and maybe

899
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: they should be bigger than they got. But I saw

900
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: him a little while ago, well, and he goes this song,

901
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: this is the rent Payer, and this is his best song.

902
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: I was thinking, that's so cynical, and I don't think

903
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: it's good on a universal level, on a Buddhist level,

904
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: to say that about your song, because the song is

905
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:37,959
Speaker 1: the only reason he was there.

906
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 3: The song.

907
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: Literally, if he didn't have that song, which is his

908
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,240
Speaker 1: only kind of semi hit, then then what it wouldn't

909
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: even be in that bar.

910
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 3: So I have a mad.

911
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: Gratitude to my songs, like a deep gratitude that I don't.

912
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: So if I just get what happens to me is

913
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: that as I write more and more music, I keep

914
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 1: them getting heavier and heavier. I just think it's much funnier,

915
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: much more ironic. I'm not taining off into the sunset

916
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: with some yacht rock stuff and some acoustic driven music.

917
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: It's a super de tuned really much heavier, And so

918
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: sometimes I can't play too many of the old songs

919
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: because they just they don't represent who I am of today.

920
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: So I just pepper them, and in that way, because

921
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm singing them, there's a consistency in them.

922
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 4: But I.

923
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: Just don't like to give too much of that old

924
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 1: style a consistent run in the set because it's not

925
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: really who I am. But I'll always play those songs

926
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: and they're just great kind of cornerstones in the.

927
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 3: Set that.

928
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 1: Sort of lubricate people through the songs they maybe don't

929
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: know so well. And I never play a whole load

930
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: of songs people don't know well or anything like that,

931
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: and the audience is so now with streaming, people still

932
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: know all the songs.

933
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 3: It feels like whether they don't know all.

934
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: The words, like if I catch their eye, because I

935
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: always catch people's eye, and so they just feel the

936
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: need to like they don't just mouthing any words at

937
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: me because they don't want to seem like they don't

938
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: know the song.

939
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: It's like you clearly don't know the song. Nobody says

940
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 3: monkey in this song.

941
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: Okay, Do you have any of their original like manuscripts

942
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 2: from when you wrote songs from twenty thirty years ago?

943
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a bunch of things. I have a

944
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: few things. I'm a bit of a bit of a hoarder.

945
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: I do like to keep as much of that as possible,

946
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, I have a bunch of things.

947
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: Like that's museum type stuff, right.

948
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I suppose I don't know what museum. That would

949
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: be little shop of horrors.

950
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 2: No, come on, you know, did you guys have any

951
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: bands that you ran with in that time that all

952
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: came together that you ended up being really good friends with,

953
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 2: like that blew up around the same time that you

954
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: guys blew up.

955
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, differing of different successes to some extent. But

956
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: like I was, there's a band called hum out of Louisville, Kentucky,

957
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: and I just had a wonderful time touring with him

958
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: quite a bit in the nineties, and they've had a resurgence,

959
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: they come back to playing, and so I'm excited about them,

960
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: and they've become a sort of a treasure amongst young

961
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: people rediscovering, Like my son is in love with them,

962
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: and they kind of went their own way. Now they're reforming.

963
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: And then there's then there's Coldplayer. You know Chris. I

964
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: love Chris, and then he went to he just plays stadiums.

965
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: So we just have a text relationship now.

966
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: But did you guys know each other way back in

967
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 2: the day Chris.

968
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, at the beginning of when we're both starting out,

969
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: yeah to the not not before the bands had records,

970
00:49:55,200 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: but as soon as we got introduced, he's like funniest,

971
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,720
Speaker 1: sweetest guy, really English, really dry. So I really enjoyed

972
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: his sense of humor. And when we were both married

973
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: to American girls, it was a great sort of.

974
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 3: What's the phrase.

975
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: It was we could totally connect without saying a word

976
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: with the English culture by being English and together and

977
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: just hanging out. You know, there's something really good about that.

978
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: And so we stayed friends, and he obviously went stratospheric

979
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: and harm of being on a different path. Both great people,

980
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 1: both great bands.

981
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor,

982
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 5: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

983
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 2: Could you listen to music and not be competitive with it?

984
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: Well, anyone that says well means yeah, there's there's your answer.

985
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: I do think of music like sometimes I'm like, damn,

986
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: why don I think of that? That's so good because

987
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: I I I The magic of music and songwriting for

988
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: me is that if you can imagine, you know, when

989
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: those those steel things, all the steelballs, and you push

990
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: your face in it, and you suddenly see your face

991
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: appears to me. But on a mathematical level, songs are

992
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: the same, and so you have to sort of like

993
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, square shape and the song you have to

994
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: push out the right you to get the shape that

995
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: you want. You might get the wrong. But that's how

996
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: I see it, that it's music, art, words, whatever, they're

997
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,959
Speaker 1: all waiting to be discovered. They're in there, they're in there,

998
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: They're in that whole square, and it's just the Our

999
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: job is to just pull push the relevant highlight the

1000
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: relevant part that go to make a song. So when

1001
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: someone someone says something, you know, I remember when Biddie Eilish,

1002
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: who I think is probably the most talented with her brother,

1003
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: the most talented musical entity probably outside of Radiohead. You know,

1004
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: she comes out with the type where do we go

1005
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: when we sleep? You're like, why ah, it was right there.

1006
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: Of course we all know those words, but no one

1007
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: put them in that order. And that's what I think

1008
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: is the magic of creativity and what keeps it inspiring,

1009
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: that you just got to hang and just keep trying

1010
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: to push the right the right pieces out, you know,

1011
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: for you to find the funniest the joke with the

1012
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: greatest punchline. It's all waiting there. They're not new words,

1013
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: they're just a new order.

1014
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1015
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 2: Sometimes people will say something and I'm like, oh, I've

1016
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,919
Speaker 2: almost had that, Like I've had the thought, but I've

1017
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 2: never said it exactly like that.

1018
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: And when people distill things into just saying the right thing,

1019
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: he's like, goddamn. And it's always invariably simple and it's

1020
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: never complicated, and it's just so that's the only side

1021
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 1: that's competitive. Like, god damn it, I die. I had

1022
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: that big boarder. I just didn't pull those words out

1023
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: in that order.

1024
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:17,320
Speaker 5: Fuck.

1025
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: I keep records that are super important to me in

1026
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 2: this room, and I have Beastie Boys, I've Been Folds five,

1027
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: I've got you know, Steve Martin Weezer. For you, if

1028
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 2: I were to say, like, what are three albums artists,

1029
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: but specific albums from an artist and they're really shaped

1030
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: you musically, Like what albums would you list?

1031
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: Surf for Rosa the Pixies. That was probably the biggest

1032
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: pivotal moment because I was really trying to find my

1033
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: voice and the band was in before Bush. The guy

1034
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: was an amazing guitar player, but really more blues based,

1035
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: so he was very more traditional like rock and roll.

1036
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 1: But when I looked at those kind of bands, whether

1037
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: it was like even whether it was you know, Sabbath

1038
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: or with a Aerosmith particularly, it was so enjoyable. But

1039
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: his voice was so otherworldly that I was like, I

1040
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: never can have an Axel came out in Guns and Roses,

1041
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 1: but going back specifically to the Surf Rosa, it showed

1042
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: me that you could go into a post punk world

1043
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: because I grew up on punk music and what could

1044
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: I do that still have the expression? I mean it's

1045
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: probably Surf Rosa the Pixies. The sound of that style,

1046
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: the quirkiness of it, the quiet, loud thing and just

1047
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: the raw power of it, which is why I worked

1048
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: with Steve Albini on second record, because he was recorded

1049
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: so fantastically.

1050
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 3: I'd have to say.

1051
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: The sex Pistols, never mind the Bollocks, because that was

1052
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: just the most perfect record, the perfect band. You know,

1053
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: it confused a whole nation where I grew up, where

1054
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: when punk music came out, it was like the national

1055
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: outrage was like akin to a war. You had more

1056
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: coverage of the beginning of punk than you do to

1057
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: the war that's going on now. It just it was

1058
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: like a blanket cultural disgust at these the youth, and

1059
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: so of course if you're young, it's like the greatest

1060
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,879
Speaker 1: thing you've ever seen in life. So I always think

1061
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: that Johnny Leiden is the most interesting figure, and those

1062
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: lyrics were incredible. And then the other record, probably you know,

1063
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: to go somewhere off peace to not be so like

1064
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, obviously there's Boie and obviously there's the Beatles

1065
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: and the White Album. But there's a band called X

1066
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: Ray SPECX who had this record called Germ Free Adolescence.

1067
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: I got on one as a kid, and it was

1068
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: like one of the first albums I bought and They

1069
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: had songs like genetic engineering could create the perfect race,

1070
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: create an unknown life force that could uss exterminate, or

1071
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: he's a Jeffrey adolessent, cleans his teeth ten times a day,

1072
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 1: scrub Away, scrub Yes sr Away, which is a toothpaste

1073
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 1: in England. And that was like this rebellious, free living

1074
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: punk band. But I loved melodies. So the melodies of

1075
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: those bands, all of them Pixies melodies with the X

1076
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: ray specs, those were massive records for me, Sex pistols,

1077
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: and on a performance level, I just always loved.

1078
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: I always loved.

1079
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: I went to show Seep Jane's Addiction when I was

1080
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: young and got into Acclam Hall, which was a tiny club,

1081
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: and I watched Perry on stage and I just was like,

1082
00:56:58,480 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: that is performance.

1083
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 3: That's mesmerizing, that's mesmerizing.

1084
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 1: And so that's all I've devoted my life to find,

1085
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: trying to find a way to be mesmerizing on stage.

1086
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 1: Just you know, those early moments that you get they

1087
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: define you, you know, and and that's why you know.

1088
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: I when I Bush was coming up, it was brilliantly

1089
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: anti commercial because that was the time of britpop. So

1090
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: we had the Great Oasis, the Great Blur, you know,

1091
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: wonderful brilliant bands, but no performance that I overly connected to.

1092
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: And the music I wanted to make you needed like

1093
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: a I like feedback, I love sonic youth. I just

1094
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: like chaos. I came from chaos. I came from disorder,

1095
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: so I wanted to do music that had elements of

1096
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: disorder in it, and chaos and everything was sort of

1097
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: on fire, and you know, it was just as much

1098
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: fun to break something as it was to play it.

1099
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 2: Then was it odd when the anti commercial sound that

1100
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: you were definitely making got so popular that it started

1101
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 2: to be mimicked and then commercial.

1102
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was ironic.

1103
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: But that was super ironic because those songs were written

1104
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: in such an innocence of with an imagined ceiling on

1105
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:24,959
Speaker 1: our heads. I didn't have any I was not smart enough.

1106
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: I was still not smart enough to consider what the

1107
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: potential was. I just wanted to sort of do something

1108
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: cool and interesting and be someone that everyone knew when

1109
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 1: I walked into the club. You know, that's really basic

1110
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: kid stuff. I remember going out and be like, if

1111
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: you saw someone either who's from a record company, he'd

1112
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: be like side eyeing change my life. If only he

1113
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: knew how fucking talented I am. But they never found

1114
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: out and had never asked me, and they never signed me.

1115
00:58:55,840 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: Or you might see someone that say, I say, is that, Oh,

1116
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: that's you know Fred from I remember my girlfriend at

1117
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: the time.

1118
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 3: There were two bands.

1119
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: That were rivaling in our sort of social group, and

1120
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: it was like two bands, and then she goes, oh,

1121
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to get this band, Circus Circus Circus to

1122
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: play on my birthday. I thought it was so mean.

1123
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: It stayed with me forever because they're signed, like a signed.

1124
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: Of course they're signed. That's the greatest thing. We weren't

1125
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: even smart enough to consider what that entailed.

1126
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 3: What does that mean?

1127
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean in the beginning of your career and you're

1128
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:34,439
Speaker 1: still pushed around and you don't get records, don't come out.

1129
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: But just the idea being this was so over. It's

1130
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: like the Berlin Wall. It was like the other side.

1131
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 3: You know.

1132
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: We were like in East Germany just trying to just

1133
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: get signed, and so it was like this band, they're signed.

1134
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,480
Speaker 1: That's kind of all we wanted to be. It's just brilliant.

1135
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: It's like, I love dogs, and the best thing about

1136
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,439
Speaker 1: dogs is live in the moment, and when you're young

1137
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 1: and really stupid, you just live in the moment. You

1138
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: can't see beyond tomorrow. This is what is, you know,

1139
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: worried about the future, and.

1140
01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: To come to America exciting or intimidating.

1141
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I lost my mind. I still actually

1142
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: lived near the hotel. It was a Hilton at the

1143
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: one on the one on one. I just couldn't believe

1144
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: there's there's somebody got a hotel room for me because

1145
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: I was on a visit to see this record label.

1146
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: So I had a couple of friends that were in

1147
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: LA I was like, you're come and see my room

1148
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: at the Hilton. I made them come. It was exciting.

1149
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: Look this is my key, come in. You know, not

1150
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 1: that exciting, but it was for me. It was just

1151
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: it was just I just couldn't believe it. I still

1152
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: can't remember that trip. I played in ahead of our

1153
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: time because we were very, very cool. We played at

1154
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: a place called the Dragonfly, which was a trans trans

1155
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: and then it was a drag club, so it wasn't

1156
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: trans like they came now, but it was the sort

1157
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: of like So there was this like wild club on

1158
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: Santa Monica where we didn't know. We just were told

1159
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 1: to play there and the power went out three times

1160
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: because only had like a couple of plugs in the

1161
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: wall for the whole band. So I thought that this

1162
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: great moment. I thought we'd blown it because we went

1163
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: and played the showcase for the radio station power kitt

1164
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: on going out. But it was exhilarating to come to

1165
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: America and play just I felt like it was a dream.

1166
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 2: You play tennis, Yeah, I love still Yeah, pretty.

1167
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 3: Good, you know.

1168
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm all I care about is being stylish now,

1169
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: so I hit a nice ball. I really don't care

1170
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: about anything apart from hitting nice and clean. So yeah,

1171
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm still a bit obsessed about it.

1172
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 2: Do you find matches or places in cities that you're playing.

1173
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, wherever I go.

1174
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: I generally I don't really do matches because I don't

1175
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: want to.

1176
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 3: I've got to go and do a show.

1177
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: So it's not me like killing myself to get to

1178
01:01:58,600 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: that ball and stuff like that.

1179
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 3: I go out and I go to.

1180
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: I call either I know a lot of tennis players

1181
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: and back in the day, yeah, so I just basically

1182
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: call up. I call cold and I say I'm a

1183
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: musician coming through town and I want to can I

1184
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: hit with your pro?

1185
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 3: And I go hit with the Pro. And then I

1186
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 3: always call yourself.

1187
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 2: You call yourself and you just say you're a random musician.

1188
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 2: You don't say I'm Gavin Roster on freaking Bush.

1189
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: No, I come through and I say I'm coming through

1190
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: and I put my name. So if they choose to Google,

1191
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: it always costs about fourteen tickets. It's usually that's the

1192
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 1: price I'm going to play whenever I play the Pro,

1193
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: plus fourteen tickets, which I'm always thrilled to give. You know,

1194
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 1: I love that making people's day with giving them tickets

1195
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: they were not expecting to go. I'm all about that.

1196
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: Whatever I do, I go shop and get a coffee.

1197
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: Starbucks today was four tickets. I was so happy as

1198
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: I went into Starbucks not you know, and it was great.

1199
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: I had to be I'm so sorry I got give

1200
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: them these edibles last night and I looked so asleep

1201
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: in these pictures. But let's do them anyway, you know,

1202
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: like Deputy Dog, you know, like my lids were like

1203
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: I just couldn't get my shit together quick.

1204
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,479
Speaker 3: Some ice is like throwing ice in my eye.

1205
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: Do you have any professional tennis player. Friends that you've

1206
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 2: ever hit against.

1207
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, loads, you know, it's a quite small world. So

1208
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: I've done a lot of I mean you I don't

1209
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: know if you know, but you touched on it. Like

1210
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm mad tennis player. So I know a lot of

1211
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: tennis players now in this generation, I don't know the

1212
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 1: new a lot, but I've used to be know everybody,

1213
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: a lot of people because I do a lot of

1214
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: pro ams.

1215
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 3: So I play with the pros.

1216
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: I train with a lot of pros because they get

1217
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: they can't believe that someone like me, like I'm way

1218
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: better than people than you think I should be.

1219
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 3: But I'm not.

1220
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a million people that can beat me,

1221
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: like I can meet beat a million people. So tennis

1222
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: is wild and you never know, but I'm definitely it's

1223
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: that people that aren't expecting me to be quite so

1224
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: hard working and focused. I'm not sort of, you know,

1225
01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: it's quite measured because I'm a bit obsessed by it.

1226
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: So I have played, I've played with I've been so lucky.

1227
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: I played a lot of people that are really good,

1228
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,320
Speaker 1: and it's very zen. They're all so much better than me.

1229
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 1: There's no pressure, you know, no pressure.

1230
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 2: One of my best friends, who was grooms in my

1231
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 2: wedding a few years ago, is wise a professional tennis player.

1232
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 1: And and I've played with Andy. I've done his I've

1233
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: done his events. I sang his events and a couple

1234
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: of shows with him I did. I don't know if

1235
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: I just really hit with him. I love that guy.

1236
01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: He's always on the move. He's never he's never actually

1237
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: stopped for me that much's we have conversations while he's

1238
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: still moving. He's got a special art about that.

1239
01:04:59,320 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

1240
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: See, you know him completely, that's him, But he's his

1241
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: podcast is incredible. His insight, I love that guy's incredible

1242
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: tennis player. What are his insights? I mean obviously he

1243
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 1: does his own show, but I mean he could be

1244
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: doing any commentary.

1245
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: Well, him and I did a national sports show together

1246
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 2: for a while too, there was All Sports. So he's

1247
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 2: a wildly intelligent guy.

1248
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's incredible, cutting, funny, yeah for sure, and self

1249
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: deprecating very much. So self deprecating, no, I you know, yeah,

1250
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: I know Andy, I know that all that. That's my

1251
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: generation of players that I know, Mardy Fish, the Brian

1252
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: Brothers for the Americans that I knew.

1253
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 3: You know, yeah, I was.

1254
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: I've been really lucky so a lot of those players,

1255
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 1: and you know, I was just the idiot musician hanging

1256
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: out at so many different tournaments, so he Andy would

1257
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 1: always be very gracious to me. But this sort of

1258
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 1: rebirth of his commentary in his podcast is just he's

1259
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: got best insight out of anyone you want to listen

1260
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: know about tennis listening to that guy.

1261
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our

1262
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 5: sponsor and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

1263
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 2: I did a deal with him for Sports Illustrated at

1264
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 2: once where I was convinced that I could return one

1265
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 2: of ten sers, just one, just get it back over

1266
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 2: the net. He could have hit a thousand. I wouldn't

1267
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: have returned a single one of them. Yeah, no, there

1268
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 2: was no change. I didn't play tennis growing up, but

1269
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 2: I was a decent athlete and I thought, surely I

1270
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 2: can just return one.

1271
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's people have to talk about that as a benchmark.

1272
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 3: Tennis is cruel.

1273
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: You know, you'd need a little bit of training and

1274
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: focus to get that, so you wouldn't be alone and

1275
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: most people, I mean, the funny thing with his serf,

1276
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: you just have to guess one side, and you know, I.

1277
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 2: Got hit with the ball a couple of times, just

1278
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 2: like smacked with the ball because it was coming out.

1279
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 2: It had an incredible sir, you ever play pickleball?

1280
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: For me, it's I know, Andre Agacy is a genius

1281
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: of that. For me, it's like the white flag of sports.

1282
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't like it. I mean,

1283
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: of course, the people they want to do it, I

1284
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: would never I'm an artist, so I'm very about people

1285
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: doing exactly what they want.

1286
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,160
Speaker 3: I just just it's not for me.

1287
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: It's I found tennis so difficult, it's so elegant, and

1288
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:42,000
Speaker 1: it's just it's enough to just try and get my

1289
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: shit together with that. So that pickaball and the sound

1290
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 1: of it is enough. Just the sound fuck it. I

1291
01:07:48,080 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 1: just hate it. And it's so popular. I go places.

1292
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: I go places, and like anywhere you can get tennis court,

1293
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: you just can't get on the pickleball court. I mean,

1294
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 1: I'm talking about so many places around the world I

1295
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: have gone.

1296
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 3: And there's a guy I went to in Germany.

1297
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: I caught up a club, but turned out it was

1298
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: quite expensive, so I thought it was a good sign

1299
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: to go and hit with the pro one in there,

1300
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: and there's this guy Michael Berringer who's like forty in the.

1301
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 3: World German players.

1302
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: So we had a Then I ended up hitting with

1303
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: him three times there. Then he just sent me on.

1304
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: I know Tommy Hass from that period with Andy. So

1305
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: Tommy set me up with someone in Munich, where he's from,

1306
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: and wherever I went, there'd be a bunch of pickleball players,

1307
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,879
Speaker 1: loads of pickaball players, and very few people playing tennis.

1308
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: It's so hard tennis. You know, people want to look good.

1309
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: And that's what I said reference first. You know, I

1310
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: when I knew Andy better, I cared so much about tennis.

1311
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 1: I think I was probably kind of terrible because I

1312
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 1: was so I wanted so bad I was. My arm

1313
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 1: was like this mic thing. It just was like so tight,

1314
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 1: which is the enemy of sport. Now I kind of

1315
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: care ten to fifteen percent less. I'm so much better,

1316
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 1: so much more fluid, and he's going so when I play,

1317
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: all I want to do is play someone who's really good.

1318
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: So they just keep the ball going. They're not screwing

1319
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: us up, you know, let me. I want to if

1320
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: if anyone's gonna screw us up, can it just be me,

1321
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 1: not both of us. This is gonna be a nightmare.

1322
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: So I like to play people that don't miss that much.

1323
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: And a lot of colleges I've played at the you

1324
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: know out here, a lot of teams, a lot of

1325
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: players on college play, you know, and they all, of course,

1326
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 1: they can't believe that a musician is going to come

1327
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 1: and further, not just come and play, but really work,

1328
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: like you know, to train properly with them, and everyone

1329
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 1: gets sweat going. But I would never want to play matches,

1330
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 1: and that'd be a waste of time, you know.

1331
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 2: Final question, because you're on the back side of this tour,

1332
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 2: what's the energy like when you get towards the end?

1333
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: A bitter sweet feeling of not wanting it to end

1334
01:09:58,040 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: even though I'm I leave here and I'm going to

1335
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: tour next week and then I got to Europe. But

1336
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: still my brain is like with this, with that I'm

1337
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: playing with Mammoth and the band James the cole Gum.

1338
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 3: There's a little bit of sadness.

1339
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 1: You know, if there's a not quite sad like not

1340
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 1: tears sadness, but it's sort of sadness like, oh man,

1341
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, I got into the ID, got into the

1342
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:27,520
Speaker 1: routine of it. I know the people, great energy backstage,

1343
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: everyone's friends. I check out, they're doing good. Watch Mammoth

1344
01:10:32,439 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 1: a little bit. You know, it's just a nice energy.

1345
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: So you just know the world you're in. So I

1346
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: missed that, And you know, the end of things is

1347
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: always is. What is the end of things? And it's

1348
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 1: wild because I'm someone that doesn't like change, and yet

1349
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: we live in a world of being in a washing

1350
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: machine where it's we're rattled around with constant change. But

1351
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: changes is beautiful and all things must change. I even

1352
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: wrote a song about it that says, well, things must

1353
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: change a lot in the song is.

1354
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 2: A song all things must change?

1355
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1356
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought so, yes, yeah, And it literally it's.

1357
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: One of the songs I always remember that song John

1358
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 1: Meg saying say what you mean to say? I never

1359
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 1: heard of he said what he meant to say because

1360
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 1: he just says that.

1361
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 3: Over here. I was like, do I need to listen

1362
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 3: to this song again? I think I missed it.

1363
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 2: What do you guys do as an encore? Do you

1364
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 2: have a song?

1365
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 1: We we generally we didn't do any set the same

1366
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: on this tour. We change a set every night. We

1367
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 1: have a pool of forty songs, so the same songs

1368
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: will appear. But although we just did it in Europe,

1369
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: we didn't do it with the song come Down that

1370
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: based on you're talking about, we figured out a way

1371
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 1: to do it that it just seems to have edified

1372
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: into the song to end the show with and we

1373
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: can't get away from it. So's it seems to be

1374
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 1: the closing song. And I don't know if that's a

1375
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 1: good thing or not. Do you think it's a good

1376
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 1: thing of a band is known for the song that

1377
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,040
Speaker 1: end with. I don't know, so so come Down is

1378
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 1: usually what what what we end with and then ending

1379
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: else in between is sort of bets are off. We've

1380
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: I think we haven't done the same set on any night.

1381
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 2: My final final question, if you're playing Glasserine, can you

1382
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 2: stop and just let the crowd sing the whole song?

1383
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 2: Does that happen?

1384
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? And I do?

1385
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: I like doing that and I do they I'm pretty lucky.

1386
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: Certain songs you can do you can let that happen.

1387
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:30,800
Speaker 1: Not so many verses don't do it on a verse.

1388
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: That's that's a cruising for a bruises chorus only especially

1389
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:42,000
Speaker 1: all things must change that goes down really well. But yeah, yeah,

1390
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 1: that's that to me is the greatest moment people sing.

1391
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 3: You know, we do that.

1392
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: We have a breakdown section and come down when they

1393
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: sing that back glycerine. I can let it go and

1394
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 1: let them sing. So yeah, there's certain songs where they

1395
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: will will sing and which is incredible. It sort of

1396
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: makes sense of my my work life is not to

1397
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: sound too earnest, but it's like the reaction of the

1398
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 1: audience is what gives your work life meaning. You know, wow,

1399
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 1: I really did. I have found a connection. And now

1400
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:18,599
Speaker 1: it's such a fragmented world that you know, you can't

1401
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,560
Speaker 1: expect anyone to know what you're doing. You know, I

1402
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: can be away for six months on tour, my next

1403
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 1: one neighbor will see me the next one. Hey, what

1404
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 1: we've been up to? You're like Jesus Christ. I've been

1405
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: killing myself every night, haven't you seen the news?

1406
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 2: Gavin? Thank you for coming by again. Have been a

1407
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 2: massive fan for a long time, through all the different

1408
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 2: iterations of Bush and your solo music, and so for me,

1409
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 2: real treat Oh yes, have an awesome show tonight, and

1410
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 2: ah that's all. I'm just super pumped.

1411
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 5: It came by great thank you, thanks for listening to

1412
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:54,799
Speaker 5: a Bobby Cast production.