WEBVTT - In the Wrong Closet with Big Citrus

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're also

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<v Speaker 1>proudly wearing a Mystic's jersey court side, even when the

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<v Speaker 1>sticks are playing against our girlfriend. Check the video in

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<v Speaker 1>the show notes if you missed that fun little page

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<v Speaker 1>and asy moment. It's Tuesday, June twenty fourth, and on

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<v Speaker 1>today's show, Big Citrus is celebrate and pride with the

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<v Speaker 1>PowerPoint Party, well the audio version of a PowerPoint party anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>plus a graduation to remember the night when hockey dreams

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<v Speaker 1>come true, and a story that reminds us once again

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<v Speaker 1>that sports are political.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all coming up right after this. Welcome back, y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's what you need to know today. Let's start with golf.

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<v Speaker 1>Australia's Minji Lee won the KPMG Women's PGA Championship on

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday in Frisco, Texas, competing through windy and hot conditions.

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<v Speaker 1>It marks Lee's third career major title, following her Evan

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<v Speaker 1>Championship win in twenty twenty one and US Women's Open

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<v Speaker 1>win in twenty twenty two. Lee entered Sunday's final round

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<v Speaker 1>with a four stroke lead and managed to stay on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the leaderboard all day.

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<v Speaker 2>With the win.

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<v Speaker 1>She takes some one point eight million dollars, part of

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<v Speaker 1>a record twelve million dollars total perse to hockey. The

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<v Speaker 1>PWHL Draft is tonight, beginning at seven pm Eastern at

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<v Speaker 1>the hard Rock Hotel in Ottawa. Now, if you're confused

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<v Speaker 1>about all the drafts they are having, the last one

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<v Speaker 1>was the expansion Draft.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the draft Draft.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to consist of six rounds, with all eight teams,

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<v Speaker 1>including expansion sides Vancouver and Seattle, making one pick per round.

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<v Speaker 1>The New York Sirens pick first based on the PWHL's

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<v Speaker 1>Gold Plan, which allows teams to earn points after being

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<v Speaker 1>eliminated from playoff contention.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember that that's the.

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<v Speaker 1>PWHL's clever way of preventing teams from tanking. Their draft

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<v Speaker 1>dods actually improve with more wins after they're bounced, not

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<v Speaker 1>more losses. One hundred and ninety nine players from fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>countries declared for this draft. Top prospects include Patty Cosmier,

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<v Speaker 1>winner Casey O'Brien out of Wisconsin, and Clarkson defender Hailey Win.

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<v Speaker 1>Fans in the US can catch it on the PWHL

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube channel, and Canadians can tune in on tsn more.

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<v Speaker 1>PWHL Boston Fleet coach Courtney Kessel is departing the team.

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<v Speaker 1>She's been hired as the new head coach of the

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<v Speaker 1>Princeton women's hockey team. It marks a return to Princeton

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<v Speaker 1>for Kessel. Prior to being hired as Boston's first coach

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of the inaugural p WHL season in twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>she spent four seasons as an assistant coach with the

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<v Speaker 1>Tigers under then head coach Kara Gardner Moury. The Princeton

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<v Speaker 1>job opened up last month after Gardner Morey was hired

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<v Speaker 1>as GM of the PWHL's Vancouver expansion team. During her

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<v Speaker 1>two years leading the Fleet, Kessel compiled a twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen and eight record, which included a Walter Cup Finals

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<v Speaker 1>appearance in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Four to the WNBA.

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<v Speaker 1>There are four games tonight, including three the tip off

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<v Speaker 1>at eight pm Eastern. This late includes the number one

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota Links, who are traveling to the number nine Washington

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<v Speaker 1>Mystics for their first meeting of the season. While the

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<v Speaker 1>Mystics are just four and six on the year, they

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<v Speaker 1>are fresh off a thrilling ot win against the Dallas

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<v Speaker 1>Wings on Sunday, buoyed by rookie Sonya Citron, who had

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven points in the win, including the game winning

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<v Speaker 1>three porter with just twelve point two seconds remaining in overtime.

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<v Speaker 1>Another notable moment in that game, rookie Page Beckers became

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<v Speaker 1>the fastest player in WNBA history to record two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>or more points and fifty or more assists. It took

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<v Speaker 1>the Wings rookie just eleven games. The previous record was

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<v Speaker 1>shared by three players, Houston Comets legend Cynthia Cooper Dyke,

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<v Speaker 1>former Charlotte stinguard Andreastnson, and Caitlin Clark, each of whom

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<v Speaker 1>reached the mark in twelve games. Speaking to Clark at

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<v Speaker 1>ten PM Eastern tonight, her Indiana Fever tip off against

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<v Speaker 1>the Seattle Storm Fever, looking to end a three game

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<v Speaker 1>losing streak. Clark has been uncharacteristically cold from beyond the

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<v Speaker 1>arc of late, shooting one of ten from three point

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<v Speaker 1>range in the Fever's lost to the Aces on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's one of seventeen from deep over her last

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<v Speaker 1>two games. The Storm, meanwhile, are coming off a win

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<v Speaker 1>against the number two New York Liberty on Sunday, with

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<v Speaker 1>neck Ogumaka recording twenty six points in that win. Ogumkese

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<v Speaker 1>teammate Scaler Diggins sang her praises in the postgame presser,

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<v Speaker 1>it was some real heartfelt shit. We'll link to that

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<v Speaker 1>video in our show notes, and we'll link to the

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<v Speaker 1>full WNBA schedule as well. Finally, a shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>our show side, the Minnesota Aurora, who clinched a fourth

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<v Speaker 1>straight USLW League playoff berth and secured their fourth straight

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<v Speaker 1>Heartland Division title on Sunday thanks to a one to

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<v Speaker 1>one draw against River Light FC. The Aurora still have

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<v Speaker 1>two regular season matches left ahead of the playoffs. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>look to keep their unbeaten streak intact, a streak that

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<v Speaker 1>dates back to the club's inception in twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right slices one last piece of news that's pretty recent.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 1>Senegal's Prime Minister has announced that several players and team

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<v Speaker 1>officials from their women's basketball team had their visas denied

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of coming to the US, which caused them to

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<v Speaker 1>scrap plans to train here for the upcoming Afro Basket tournament.

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<v Speaker 1>Senegal has finished either first or second in four of

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<v Speaker 1>the last five Afro Basket Championships. The tournament, which will

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<v Speaker 1>take place in the Ivory Coast beginning July twenty six,

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<v Speaker 1>determines Africa's champion and entry into the Feeble World Cup

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<v Speaker 1>next year in Germany. Senegal is one of thirty six countries,

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<v Speaker 1>most of them in Africa, to whom the Trump administration

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<v Speaker 1>delivered a deadline last week demanding that they commit to

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<v Speaker 1>improve their vetting of travelers and address the status of

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<v Speaker 1>their nationals who are in the US illegally, or face

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<v Speaker 1>a ban on their citizens traveling to the US. If

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<v Speaker 1>action isn't taken, the country will join the twelve nations

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<v Speaker 1>already on Trump's travel ban list. Now, the Trump Administration's

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<v Speaker 1>attack on immigrants has already affected foreign athletes here in America.

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<v Speaker 2>You might remember back in.

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<v Speaker 1>April there were four Zambian players in the NWSL that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't travel with their Zambia national team due to fears

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<v Speaker 1>around new travel measures taken by the Trump administration and

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<v Speaker 1>in light of several countries issuing travel advisories that warren

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<v Speaker 1>travelers looking to come to the US. The story of

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<v Speaker 1>the Senegalese visas being denied, combined with existing and threatened

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<v Speaker 1>travel bans. The NWSL story, plus deportations and ice raids

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<v Speaker 1>across the country have many questioning the US's future responsibilities

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<v Speaker 1>as of the Men's World Cup and the Summer Olympics.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's travel band policy makes exceptions for quote any athlete

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<v Speaker 1>or member of an athletic team, including coaches, persons performing

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<v Speaker 1>a necessary support role, and immediate relatives traveling for the

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<v Speaker 1>World Cup, Olympics, or other major sporting event as determined

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<v Speaker 1>by the Secretary of State end quote, but doesn't mention

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<v Speaker 1>any exceptions for fans, extended family, or friends intending to

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<v Speaker 1>travel to the US for the events. Will of course

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<v Speaker 1>continue to follow this story and how it affects female

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<v Speaker 1>athletes and sporting events in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Both big and small. We got to take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>When we come back, I assigned some homework and Big

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<v Speaker 1>Citrus delivered.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back slices.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm now joined by the rest of Big Citrus, producer Mes,

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<v Speaker 1>producer Alex.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, you do what's up?

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<v Speaker 3>Hello?

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<v Speaker 1>So, I don't know if y'all were aware of this

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<v Speaker 1>during COVID lockdowns, but it is a much more recent

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<v Speaker 1>thing to me. I'm told that the young folks started

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<v Speaker 1>throwing PowerPoint presentation nights over zoom, and the trend has

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<v Speaker 1>continued to the point where oldheads like me have learned

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<v Speaker 1>about it. But I didn't know that it started back

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<v Speaker 1>in the COVID days. I just know that of late,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been seeing all these clips where people have parties

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<v Speaker 1>and their friends are assigned the job of teaching each

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<v Speaker 1>other via PowerPoint a variety of things. It could be

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<v Speaker 1>like silly interests, childhood talents, secret passions. I've seen presentations

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<v Speaker 1>from the attractiveness of animated characters being ranked to someone

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<v Speaker 1>describing a summer spent working at a sausage factory, a

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<v Speaker 1>deep dive into romance novels, a presentation on which friends

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<v Speaker 1>would die in what order during a zombie apocalypse and

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<v Speaker 1>how specifically they would die. The possibilities are truly endless.

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<v Speaker 1>But since I'm never wanted to turn down a theme

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<v Speaker 1>party and I have not yet thrown one of these parties,

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing it here and it is an audio medium,

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<v Speaker 1>so we will have to just picture the slides in

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<v Speaker 1>our minds as this is happening. But I have assigned

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<v Speaker 1>each member of Big Citrus Toring a brief presentation on

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<v Speaker 1>the intersection of pride and women's sports in honor of

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<v Speaker 1>Pride Month and PowerPoint parties and Alex, I'm opening up

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<v Speaker 1>the floor for you to start with your presentation, tell

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<v Speaker 1>us what it's about, and teach us something new.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so pleased to be here with you today for

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<v Speaker 4>this important presentation that I would like to title not

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<v Speaker 4>kissing your sister Colon when your teammate becomes your dreammate.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. Ten out of ten yep, already in

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<v Speaker 2>bought in, Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Please know that if this was a visual medium, it

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<v Speaker 4>would be a pink background with lots of little.

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<v Speaker 3>Hearts like Cli style hearts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. Cool.

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<v Speaker 4>So for this story, we have to go back to

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<v Speaker 4>the year twenty fifteen. A young alex Azzi was embarking

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<v Speaker 4>on her first Olympic research trips and as a new researcher,

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<v Speaker 4>I was getting sent to the weirdest possible sporting events

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<v Speaker 4>Canoe World Championships, Triathlon World Championships, and the euro Hockey Championships.

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<v Speaker 4>We're the best European f field hockey teams gathered together,

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<v Speaker 4>and I want you to imagine me looking down these

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<v Speaker 4>rosters and trying to figure out which athletes do I

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<v Speaker 4>need to interview? Are there any names on this roster

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<v Speaker 4>that I've already heard of? And while looking through England's

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<v Speaker 4>field hockey roster, I came across an interesting name and

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<v Speaker 4>then I saw it again, Kate and Helen Richardson Walsh.

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<v Speaker 4>And in the year twenty fifteen, I thought to myself, huh,

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<v Speaker 4>look at these sisters that made England's field hockey team together.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, what an athletic family.

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<v Speaker 2>Great geens. Parents must be so proud.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, dear slices. They were not sisters, they were wives.

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<v Speaker 2>What they were wives and they were the lives and teammates.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you do that?

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<v Speaker 5>Is that allowed?

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<v Speaker 4>Well in the year twenty fifteen, It really hadn't been

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<v Speaker 4>done before. And it was this moment where I just

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<v Speaker 4>remember staring at it and I think I shot off

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of emails.

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<v Speaker 3>To be like like, oh my god, they're married.

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<v Speaker 4>I play the safeteen together. It felt like my world

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<v Speaker 4>had just opened up. And so Kate and Helen. They

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<v Speaker 4>went on to become the first same sex married couple

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<v Speaker 4>to ever win an Olympic gold medal at the twenty

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<v Speaker 4>sixteen Rio Olympics. And I loved just being able to

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<v Speaker 4>see them enjoy their journey together as both teammates and wives.

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<v Speaker 4>I think just to think back to twenty fifteen, though

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<v Speaker 4>for a minute the Supreme Court had just ruled on

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<v Speaker 4>gay marriage, Like I struggle sometimes to realize, like, it

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<v Speaker 4>was not that long ago that in many states across

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<v Speaker 4>the US, people still did not have the right to

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<v Speaker 4>get married. This was before the days of Sue Bird

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<v Speaker 4>and Meghan Rapino and Christy Lewis and Sam Kirk, Wanna

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<v Speaker 4>Bonner and Alyssa Thomas and Tobyheath and Christen Press and

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<v Speaker 4>I love, love, love seeing all of these couples that

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<v Speaker 4>are now out, but back in those days it was

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<v Speaker 4>still a brand new thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that you can remember that moment, because I

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<v Speaker 1>do think as it becomes more commonplace and we see

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<v Speaker 1>queer women athletes in all sorts of spaces, and we

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<v Speaker 1>see a lot of these great relationships that come out

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<v Speaker 1>of these teams and competitions, we sometimes just take it

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<v Speaker 1>for granted and forget how recent it was, that it

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<v Speaker 1>was a novelty, or that you would be excited by

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<v Speaker 1>the prospect that they felt comfortable enough and safe enough

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<v Speaker 1>to come out with it, particularly on the same team.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember the early responses to Ali Quigley and Courtney

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<v Speaker 1>van der Slut and like just the idea of, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how could they be teammates?

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<v Speaker 2>Though? That's got to be a mess, you know, because hetero.

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<v Speaker 1>People think everybody has to act like them in relationships

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<v Speaker 1>and can't handle things like you know, mature, responsible women.

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<v Speaker 1>But also how exciting it was for those early moments

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<v Speaker 1>of Courtney feeding Ali for three pointers or them having

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<v Speaker 1>a great play together.

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<v Speaker 2>It just felt like really special. Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>Ugh, the gays gotta love it.

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<v Speaker 2>God love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you for your presentation. Al the hearts look great.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish everyone could see it. I mean, it's really

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<v Speaker 1>multiple slides photos of all these couples together, some that

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen before. I'm sure people would love to

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<v Speaker 1>see some of these personal Well there's vacation photos you

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<v Speaker 1>got there, while wedding photos oh those were never made

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<v Speaker 1>public either. I can't imagine how many of the footy

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<v Speaker 1>and gay shit people out there would really love to

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<v Speaker 1>be looking at these slides.

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<v Speaker 2>So really good reporting.

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<v Speaker 3>Sticks engay shit, yeah, sticks enga shit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think of, like having played field hockey,

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<v Speaker 1>the most field hockey term like you know, obstruction e

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<v Speaker 1>gay shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Or third party engashit.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a whole different conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if we're quite ready for the first throuple,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's happening.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, neither is.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why there's a third party rule.

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<v Speaker 5>I think we might be ready.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm sure it's happening, and I look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>the first throuble to come out. But yeah, the third

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<v Speaker 1>party rule, you know, probably playing with the wrong side

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<v Speaker 1>of the stick.

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<v Speaker 2>That's also a rule in field hockey.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, there's a lot of material in field hockey, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, a raised ball more in the men's space.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, is that a thing? Yeah, stick and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't stick. Interference.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it feels like, uh, you know, that could be

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<v Speaker 1>a nice way to describe someone cheating on you.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, mesh, your turn. Let's see this presentation.

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<v Speaker 5>All right?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, uh, I don't know what my slides look like,

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<v Speaker 6>because I don't know if I can compete with everything

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<v Speaker 6>Alex has got on hers already imaginary.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, there are all those grape photos.

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<v Speaker 6>Gosh, so my presentation we're gonna call this and sorry,

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<v Speaker 6>it's not as fun as yours. Candice Parker's coming out arc.

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<v Speaker 6>It's significance in parallels to lead growth A presentation by

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<v Speaker 6>Misha Jones.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you write a thesis? I did?

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<v Speaker 5>It sounds that way.

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<v Speaker 2>It certainly sounds that way. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have cliff not cliffs notes? You have footnotes?

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<v Speaker 2>I might.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm gonna have to cite some things, and you got perfect.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's let's all get in the time travel machine here

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<v Speaker 6>and time travel back to the year two thousand and six. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>I was nine. All right, Let's let that sink in

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<v Speaker 6>for a second.

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<v Speaker 2>Insert baby crying noises.

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<v Speaker 1>He sounded like a baby goat for some reason, instead

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<v Speaker 1>of it, I mean, I was Were you a baby goat?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Period.

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<v Speaker 6>But I'd already been, you know, a basketball fan at

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<v Speaker 6>this point. But this was around the time that I

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<v Speaker 6>really started to become kind of a student of the game.

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<v Speaker 6>This was the same year that Maryland won the national championship.

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<v Speaker 2>I was all over that.

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<v Speaker 5>My dad was a duchie. He went to Duke, and

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<v Speaker 5>I just I relished in that.

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<v Speaker 2>I really did.

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<v Speaker 6>But this was the time I started to get serious

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<v Speaker 6>about it. And I was watching college who was specifically

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<v Speaker 6>very intently, and there was a player by the name

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<v Speaker 6>of Candace Parker. He was absolutely ripping shit at Tennessee

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<v Speaker 6>under the legendary Pat Summit, as we all know, rest

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<v Speaker 6>in peace. But because she was so good, it was

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<v Speaker 6>at the point where both me and my older boy cousin,

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<v Speaker 6>So I'm talking like if I'm nine, he's twelve thirteen,

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<v Speaker 6>and that's like the age where boys start to.

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<v Speaker 5>Get really just gross.

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<v Speaker 6>But we were both obsessed, like mutually obsessed with Candace Parker,

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<v Speaker 6>albeit for different reasons. I loved her game and he

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<v Speaker 6>just kind of loved her. He was in love, wanted

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<v Speaker 6>to marry her.

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<v Speaker 2>House she's secuting, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>But he also really appreciated the hoop, and that's something

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<v Speaker 6>I still look back really fondly on. So shout out

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<v Speaker 6>to him. I love you, Jazz. But from her college

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<v Speaker 6>days ripping shit. She got drafted in O eight and

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<v Speaker 6>then she had a whole husband, y'all. She was married

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<v Speaker 6>to him in two thousand and eight. Some of y'all

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<v Speaker 6>might not even know that, but was married him in

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<v Speaker 6>two thousand and eight while being a baby hair player

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<v Speaker 6>in the court.

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<v Speaker 5>Fellow basketball player.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I went to Duke.

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<v Speaker 6>We won't you know, name drop him just you can

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<v Speaker 6>google if you want to. But she was also at

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<v Speaker 6>the same time being the baby haired assassin the on

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<v Speaker 6>the court. We know that she was the first player

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<v Speaker 6>to ever don't ever forget it. I'm gonna say it

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<v Speaker 6>every time I get an opportunity, the first player to

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<v Speaker 6>ever win Rookie of the Year in MVP and only

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<v Speaker 6>and only thank you, Sarah Spain. But in all of this,

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<v Speaker 6>she was becoming to me the face of the league,

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<v Speaker 6>not just to mee to a lot of people, and

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<v Speaker 6>was presented in this super like high fem way off

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<v Speaker 6>the court, and the w as a whole was still

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<v Speaker 6>in this era where it catered to the male gaze

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<v Speaker 6>a lot. And let me be clear when I when

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<v Speaker 6>I'm making this distinction, I'm not saying this to say

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<v Speaker 6>that being queer equals immediately being traditionally masculine presenting, or

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<v Speaker 6>that Candice still doesn't give the girls a fem look,

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<v Speaker 6>because you know, it still feels like she does, and

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<v Speaker 6>her flavor, though, is just more hers to me than

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<v Speaker 6>it once was. But at any rate, a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>players were in that boat, were being made to where

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<v Speaker 6>these straight girl get ups Sue Byrd as we know,

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<v Speaker 6>has has talked at length about this, but other glaring

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<v Speaker 6>examples for me at that time were like Orlena Larkins

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<v Speaker 6>if you don't know who Orlna Larkins is, look her up,

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<v Speaker 6>she's a Cooper.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's also not giving them.

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<v Speaker 6>And then Tamor Young, like for folks who don't know

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<v Speaker 6>TAM's game, I'm talking love and hip hop Tamra Young, right,

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<v Speaker 6>and so it's it's again not giving them. Diana Maki, Yeah, like,

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<v Speaker 6>matter of fact, we should link to to all the

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<v Speaker 6>draft photos from the year to two thousand and nine here,

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<v Speaker 6>because it's just so glaring and honestly, to me, as

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<v Speaker 6>gay as the W is in present day, that early

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<v Speaker 6>era of like straight passing. This is the real reason

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<v Speaker 6>the W holds the title of the gayest league ever.

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<v Speaker 6>To me, that that's really truly why, because so many

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<v Speaker 6>players started out in that closet or in the wrong

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<v Speaker 6>closet per se fashion wise, and then slowly stepped out

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<v Speaker 6>of it, which is you know, that's that's the story

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<v Speaker 6>of a lot of people, myself.

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<v Speaker 5>Included, very relatable, painfully relatable.

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<v Speaker 6>I could pull out so many pictures for y'all and

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<v Speaker 6>put them in this slide.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not gonna do it way. I'm not gonna play

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<v Speaker 5>myself like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you give us one?

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<v Speaker 1>If we're gonna put all these players on blast? Can

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<v Speaker 1>you give us one meche in a pink Easter dress

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<v Speaker 1>at age?

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<v Speaker 2>Y'all? I can, I can give you one.

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<v Speaker 5>I gotta I gotta scour.

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<v Speaker 6>I gotta scour the phone because I've tried to get

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<v Speaker 6>rid of his ones that haven't been burned.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I forgot.

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<v Speaker 1>You're old enough that none of your photos were actually

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<v Speaker 1>photos sprinted out.

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<v Speaker 2>All of your photos are digital.

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<v Speaker 3>They're all on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 5>They're on Instagram and Facebook.

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<v Speaker 6>Man.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, did you have any of the family members that

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<v Speaker 4>would like for Christmas be like here you got me?

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<v Speaker 3>It was like a frilly dressed.

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<v Speaker 5>They were like, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. It was an actual problem.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, the straight passing of it all very relatable,

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<v Speaker 5>not just to me, but to a lot of queer people.

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<v Speaker 5>And back to Canadace.

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<v Speaker 6>She was the example of this, right she, like I said,

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<v Speaker 6>she was the face of the league, and at that

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<v Speaker 6>time she also had a baby named Leila, so it

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<v Speaker 6>was further cementing kind of that picture perfect. I have

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<v Speaker 6>a husband I have a daughter, and I'm I've got

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<v Speaker 6>it all kind of thing, which is still a thing.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm very proud of you if you're straight and

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<v Speaker 6>that's your vibe. But for Candace, you know, time went

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<v Speaker 6>on and she didn't have a man no more. They

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<v Speaker 6>went through divorce, finalized that in twenty eighteen, and turns

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<v Speaker 6>out that she had met somebody named Anna Petrokhova.

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<v Speaker 5>They played together.

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<v Speaker 6>It was the gayest trope. I feel like we're starting

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<v Speaker 6>to understand how gay this trope actually is.

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<v Speaker 2>Teammates still lovers, yep.

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<v Speaker 6>They were together on ummc Ekaterinberg back in twenty twelve

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<v Speaker 6>and just got closer and became close enough to marry.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone told her to put a body on her and

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<v Speaker 2>she sure.

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<v Speaker 5>That blocks out and she did.

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<v Speaker 6>And it feels like we just talked about this trope

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<v Speaker 6>right with Azy and Page, and I hope we continue

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<v Speaker 6>to talk about it. But yeah, I can't speak to

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<v Speaker 6>what made her feel comfortable going public with her marriage.

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<v Speaker 6>But as Alex said, at that time, tides were starting

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<v Speaker 6>to change. Like twenty fifteen, like you said, we got

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<v Speaker 6>gay marriage legalized in the WNBA.

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<v Speaker 5>There were also players who had kind of been and still.

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<v Speaker 6>Work queer, but their number became more steady and more visible,

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<v Speaker 6>and I think that was really important. But at one

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<v Speaker 6>point Candace actually put a post on Instagram to let

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<v Speaker 6>the entire world know that she was in this relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>It was two years before she did that.

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<v Speaker 6>They were, you know, doing their own thing privately for

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<v Speaker 6>a while, and it got to a point where Candace

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<v Speaker 6>just said, I want to tell the world about it.

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<v Speaker 5>And I remember the day I saw the post about Petra.

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<v Speaker 2>It unearthed a.

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<v Speaker 6>Whole lot of emotions for me that I just didn't

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<v Speaker 6>even realize I was holding on to. I was out

0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:37.639
<v Speaker 6>at this point, but it still felt kind of like

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<v Speaker 6>a personal validation and a big step not just for her,

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<v Speaker 6>but for a generation of people who had been locked

0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:47.000
<v Speaker 6>in with Candace in her journey. And you know, this

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<v Speaker 6>version of the w y'all where queer players and people

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<v Speaker 6>are openly celebrated, like it feels way more aligned with

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<v Speaker 6>the real culture and real spirit of women's basketball and

0:20:56.520 --> 0:21:00.640
<v Speaker 6>a person generally speaking, And then to put the bow

0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:02.560
<v Speaker 6>on it twenty twenty three, If you haven't seen the

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<v Speaker 6>documentary Candice Parker Unapologetic, this is the thing that wrapped

0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:08.760
<v Speaker 6>it all up in a bow. For me, hearing about

0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.879
<v Speaker 6>her journey from her was just so cathartic. So if

0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:13.520
<v Speaker 6>you haven't seen it yet, go give it a watch

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<v Speaker 6>on Hulu for all you premium subscribers. But from being

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<v Speaker 6>the straight passing face of the league to being exactly

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<v Speaker 6>who she was and still a legend, one of the

0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.800
<v Speaker 6>legends of the game, it's such a such a wonderful

0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:28.719
<v Speaker 6>arc to be able to take a step back and observe.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know, she retired in twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm still sad about it.

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<v Speaker 6>But in conclusion, her journey is a prime example of

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<v Speaker 6>the one that this entire league and its players have

0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:43.359
<v Speaker 6>been on. And yeah, her going public with her wifey,

0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:45.560
<v Speaker 6>it really healed something to me. So I'm glad we're

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<v Speaker 6>all here and can celebrate it.

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<v Speaker 4>It. I distinctly remember that day that she posted that

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<v Speaker 4>instagram of her wife. Yeah, And while I always want

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<v Speaker 4>people to feel comfortable to come out as soon as possible,

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<v Speaker 4>as soon as makes sense for them, it also represents

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<v Speaker 4>the level of trust behind the scenes that she was

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<v Speaker 4>able to keep that to herself. Yeah two years because

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<v Speaker 4>I know I was in a lot of group chats

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<v Speaker 4>that day being like, did you know this about candis?

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<v Speaker 3>Did you know this about Candace?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? And I didn't know that about Candace. And I

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<v Speaker 4>think that speaks to the people in her circle that understood, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>this is important for her to be able to do

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<v Speaker 4>on her own time, in her own space. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>And the other really important distinction I want to make here,

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<v Speaker 6>because my presentation was kind of all about the coming out,

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<v Speaker 6>it's still Pride Month, and I want to be very

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<v Speaker 6>specific in saying, if you're listening to this, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Also don't have to do that.

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<v Speaker 6>You also don't have to feel like you have to

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<v Speaker 6>tell everybody because you can also just be yourself. And

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like we've entered into a space, into a

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<v Speaker 6>time in twenty twenty five. Well, that's also an option

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<v Speaker 6>I think with Asy and Page. You know, I'm glad

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<v Speaker 6>that they gave people something that you on in terms

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<v Speaker 6>of soft hard launching their relationship, but I also.

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<v Speaker 5>Know that if they didn't, we all would have been

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<v Speaker 5>just fine, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>What I mean. I see both sides of it for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>And anybody who doesn't want to come out, it's not

0:23:05.880 --> 0:23:10.040
<v Speaker 1>your responsibility to give that to others. And also the

0:23:10.160 --> 0:23:15.280
<v Speaker 1>more people who are openly, joyfully, boldly themselves at a

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<v Speaker 1>time when folks are trying to push back on that.

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<v Speaker 2>The more it frees up others to be that for themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>like you, seeing Candace do that, it really did something

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<v Speaker 2>for you.

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<v Speaker 1>So I love hearing that really quick story before my

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<v Speaker 1>presentation that you just reminded me of.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was just at the espnW sum at.

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<v Speaker 1>Canada, the great Sam Rappaport, one of my favorite people

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<v Speaker 1>who has completely changed the face of the NFL with

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<v Speaker 1>her Women in Football forum, getting women coaches hired and

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<v Speaker 1>is now working with USA Football and tennis and much

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<v Speaker 1>for other places, talked about how for the first eight

0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:47.240
<v Speaker 1>or so years I think her working at the NFL,

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<v Speaker 1>she wasn't out and she literally kept post it notes

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<v Speaker 1>in her desk reminding herself of the lies that she

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<v Speaker 1>told one person about how she spent her vacation or

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<v Speaker 1>her holiday or her weekend, so that she could remember

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<v Speaker 1>and tell the same lie to someone else if they

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<v Speaker 1>asked how things had been in her time off and

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<v Speaker 1>she made a joke, she was like, yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I used to dress like Sarah And I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like okay, okay, I'm like yeah, it's giving straight.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it, but you know, it is funny the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of you saying like they were in the wrong closet,

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<v Speaker 1>Like she was in the wrong closet, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>she got to be herself and come out. And she

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<v Speaker 1>actually told a really moving story about the first person

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<v Speaker 1>she sort of came out to, not intentionally, just it

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<v Speaker 1>happened to be was Roger Goodell. He looked across at

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<v Speaker 1>a space and she had decided to finally bring her

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriend and not hide it. She grabbed her girlfriend's hand,

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<v Speaker 1>looked up at him, and he walked over with this

0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:44.320
<v Speaker 1>giant smile and hugged her. And I guess he has

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<v Speaker 1>a gay brother and had always been inclusive and she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't really worried about it, but it was still like

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<v Speaker 1>the very top of the food chain was saying, this

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<v Speaker 1>is great, this is wonderful, and it really helped her

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<v Speaker 1>feel more comfortable everywhere else. So love to hear those stories,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when they sort of maybe defy your expectations.

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<v Speaker 4>What I take away from that is we need coach

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<v Speaker 4>Jackie to make a new video series.

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<v Speaker 5>Is she gay?

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<v Speaker 4>Or does she just host a women's sports podcast feature

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<v Speaker 4>you and see how it turns out.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, all they're gonna say I'm gay. Plenty of people have.

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<v Speaker 1>My friend Ali actually was just in town this past

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<v Speaker 1>weekend for Pride here in Chicago, and we were just

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the show and all this stuff, and she's like, oh,

0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:23.119
<v Speaker 1>I figured out what you are.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a dikon And I'm like, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>that is.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's like, a dicon is like an icon for

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<v Speaker 1>gay women who's straight that like this the gays are

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<v Speaker 1>trying to turn and or at least are appreciative that

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:36.720
<v Speaker 1>they're like an ally and in the gay space.

0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:38.320
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I'll take it. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Not the ratish kind, the other kind. Yes, I could

0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:45.640
<v Speaker 1>also be a ratish That's fine, so delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>My presentation is called when it comes to Allies, we

0:25:51.640 --> 0:25:56.680
<v Speaker 1>need more awls than Alley's. This presentation is picture it

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<v Speaker 1>uh plain white page. It's a it's a nod to

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<v Speaker 1>my age, and it features Clippy the paper clip, which

0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:05.960
<v Speaker 1>used to be this animated paper clip that assisted you

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<v Speaker 1>if you were using Microsoft Office. And next to Clippy

0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:12.760
<v Speaker 1>is Chippy, Clippy's boyfriend, So the two of them are

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<v Speaker 1>actually walking us through this presentation and the reason I'm

0:26:15.560 --> 0:26:18.080
<v Speaker 1>centering gay men here is because as I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about the ally portion of pride and women's sports intersecting,

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<v Speaker 1>I realized that the role of women allies is, and

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time has been, far less necessary on

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<v Speaker 1>the women's side than the role of male allies on

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<v Speaker 1>the men's side. And actually, my friend Patrick Burke, who

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<v Speaker 1>helped co found You Can Play. He's now actually vice

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<v Speaker 1>president of player Safety at the National Hockey League, but

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<v Speaker 1>wrote on his site for you Can Play back at

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen quote. A few months ago, a reporter called

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<v Speaker 1>me and said he wanted to talk about the LGBT

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<v Speaker 1>sports movement for a PC he was doing. We establish

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<v Speaker 1>a convenient time, exchange numbers and hopped on a call.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out the piece was on Britney Griner, an

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<v Speaker 1>elite female basketball player who's a lesbian. We talked for

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<v Speaker 1>a half hour, so he was a really good guy

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<v Speaker 1>and had a lot of good question When we got

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<v Speaker 1>to the end of the call, he asked if there

0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:04.520
<v Speaker 1>was anything we hadn't talked about that I wanted to mention. Well,

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I responded, we should probably talk about the fact that

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:09.119
<v Speaker 1>two straight guys just spent thirty minutes talking about the

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:12.680
<v Speaker 1>issues lesbian athlete space, and he goes on to write

0:27:12.720 --> 0:27:16.320
<v Speaker 1>about how the male allies in the LGBTQ plus space

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:19.200
<v Speaker 1>needed to take a step back and stop centering themselves

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 1>in the conversation and allowing more athletes to speak up

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:25.600
<v Speaker 1>for themselves. He understood the power of the male ally,

0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 1>but he also understood that it was the same voices

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<v Speaker 1>coming up over and over again.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Chris Kluey, Brandon McCarthy, Brennan I and Badejo.

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 1>It was these great voices that were so necessary, but

0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:41.000
<v Speaker 1>he was hoping that more of the actual folks living

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.399
<v Speaker 1>the experiences would come out and speak on it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking back at that article in twenty thirteen, and

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<v Speaker 1>the problem is the same. We still have these great

0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 1>male allies, Steve Nash, Michael Strahan, John Sally. Now we've

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<v Speaker 1>got Kaylen Saunders. He's a defensive tackle for the New

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Orleans Saints. He's hosting an LGBTQ plus youth friendly football camp,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's partnered with a former NFL player who came

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<v Speaker 1>out as bisexual after he was done playing.

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:04.399
<v Speaker 2>R K Russell.

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<v Speaker 1>You might know of Caylen Saunders because his brother Cameron

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>is one of Taylor Swift's backup dancers and is in

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:13.040
<v Speaker 1>the LGBTQ community. But I'm thinking about this and we're

0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:16.560
<v Speaker 1>getting still all these years later after that article about

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<v Speaker 1>let's center more of the actual athletes, mostly male allies,

0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:22.560
<v Speaker 1>because the men who come out are usually coming out

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:26.440
<v Speaker 1>after retirement, and even then it's usually not the stars.

0:28:27.000 --> 0:28:30.399
<v Speaker 1>So still the boldest and loudest and most influential voices

0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:33.159
<v Speaker 1>on the men's side are usually the allies that have

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the highest profile and are trying to convince other folks

0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 1>to be more welcoming. On the women's sports side, players

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:42.959
<v Speaker 1>have been out in far greater numbers and for much longer,

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:46.360
<v Speaker 1>and it's allowed us to center more of the actual

0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:49.640
<v Speaker 1>women in the conversations, which has been great. So going

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<v Speaker 1>way back, it used to be mostly rumors, you know,

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 1>like we all know baby Diedrichson, like there was always like.

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<v Speaker 2>Her friend that she lived with and spent a lot

0:28:58.200 --> 0:28:59.320
<v Speaker 2>of time with, but people knew.

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<v Speaker 1>But Billy Jean King, not surprisingly was one of the

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<v Speaker 1>very first out professional women athletes, and it was not

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 1>a voluntary decision. She was actually publicly outed by her

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 1>former secretary, and when given the choice, she decided she

0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 1>wasn't gonna lie. She was going to be honest about

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 1>it and face the repercussions with sponsors and everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>Same year, Martina Nevertulova, Brianna Scurry, LPGA player Muffin Spencer

0:29:21.720 --> 0:29:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Devlin in nineteen ninety six came out, Sue Wicks in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and two the first out WNBA player Brittany

0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:31.760
<v Speaker 1>grin Or Simone Augustus, sueberg Men and Rapino Babi Wanback.

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:34.720
<v Speaker 1>They're all, you know, starting to come out in waves

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 1>as we get closer and closer to the current time,

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<v Speaker 1>and I realized that the allies in women's sports that

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 1>are now truly necessary are the ones who are advocating

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<v Speaker 1>for transfolks. The new battle in women's sports for allyship

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 1>and for public support is not for acceptance of gay teammates,

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 1>but standing up for transfolks. And that's not to say

0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:58.239
<v Speaker 1>it's simple for queer women athletes these days. They are

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<v Speaker 1>still facing pushback from everything from the Trump administration to

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:04.440
<v Speaker 1>laws to everything else, but it is so much more

0:30:04.520 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 1>accepted in the women's space that it feels like now

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 1>even marginalized folks like queer women are having to step

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>out and advocate for even more marginalized folks like trans

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 1>athletes in the battle. So I think it's very clear

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:20.959
<v Speaker 1>why allyship is about safety and community for those who

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<v Speaker 1>will not naturally be afforded it, and men's sports doesn't

0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 1>offer that, and that's sad. The male sports space is

0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>not a space that says you can be you here,

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:32.720
<v Speaker 1>but the women's sports space, in part because of stereotypes

0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 1>around sport and toughness and masculinity and everything else, allows

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 1>that first step of saying it makes sense that you're

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 1>here and will allow it.

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<v Speaker 2>But then once you're in it, it's really.

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<v Speaker 1>About the community that's created, the inclusion, and all of

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 1>these things that are so much more natural in a

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 1>space full of women than they are in a space

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:55.200
<v Speaker 1>full of men. And I just am sad for the

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<v Speaker 1>men's space that I can read an article from back

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty thirteen and we can be almost nowhere when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to more really high big name professional men

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<v Speaker 1>being out, and we can see the numbers for women

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>going up and up, and the conversations evolving and becoming

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:12.160
<v Speaker 1>more sophisticated.

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<v Speaker 2>I just wish that that were the case for men

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to shout out American volleyball player Eric Shoji,

0:31:20.160 --> 0:31:24.200
<v Speaker 4>the US men's team captain, who just last week came out. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and so I was super excited to see that, and

0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 4>his comments on Instagram are just flooded with support from teammates.

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.239
<v Speaker 3>And other folks in volleyball world. So shout out to him.

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:36.400
<v Speaker 1>There's a minor league player who was in the White

0:31:36.440 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Sox system. I think he is not anymore though a

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:42.640
<v Speaker 1>year or two ago. That came out, and I think

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 1>baseball is a real tough one. There's a lot of

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 1>good old boys in that sport, and I was really

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 1>impressed and proud of his decision to come out and

0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 1>make it known. And you know, his name's Anderson Comas.

0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:59.880
<v Speaker 1>I would be very interested in following his career in

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<v Speaker 1>the hopes that his talent is enough to get him

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 1>to the next level and that he won't be held

0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 1>back by that admission.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and since we're doing shout outs, I got to

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 6>give a shout out to Kevin Maxon, who I had

0:32:11.440 --> 0:32:14.440
<v Speaker 6>the chance to meet at the Athlete Ally Athlete Activism

0:32:14.520 --> 0:32:15.840
<v Speaker 6>Summit last weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Was the Jaguars.

0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:20.200
<v Speaker 6>One of the Jaguars strength coaches in the NFL and

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<v Speaker 6>actually was the first out male coach in major men's

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:26.120
<v Speaker 6>pro sports. So he was just he was such a

0:32:26.160 --> 0:32:30.200
<v Speaker 6>wonderful spirit, and he spoke so openly about the different

0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 6>ways like he had been challenged. But also you know

0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 6>about how in some of these locker rooms or with

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 6>some of these players, in his experience in the NFL,

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:43.840
<v Speaker 6>it was actually a very welcoming space, and so they might.

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:46.239
<v Speaker 5>Be fewer and further between, but you know, folks are

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 5>folks are working on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Progress is being made, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think as I sat to think about a

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<v Speaker 1>presentation that was going to be on allies in the

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<v Speaker 1>women's space, I realized that we are able to shine

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<v Speaker 1>a spotlight on the very people that we want to

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<v Speaker 1>center as opposed to needing to hold up allies to

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<v Speaker 1>support them, and that it's not the case in the

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<v Speaker 1>men's space. Yeah, excellent presentations. If anyone wants to invite

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<v Speaker 1>me to their PowerPoint party for real, I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>want to make slides.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm kind of insulted that I haven't been invited

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<v Speaker 4>to a power I know me party.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have heardy friends, where are you guys?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have to admit I'm usually the one who's

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<v Speaker 1>making all the party plans and inviting everyone and forcing

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<v Speaker 1>them into weird costumes and themes. So I guess it's

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<v Speaker 1>my own damn fault. Time for me to I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>wait till the winter. It's too nice out for a

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<v Speaker 1>PowerPoint party. When the cold weather hits, It's on, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>We got to take another break when we come back.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of your favorite activations from Pride Month welcome back Slices.

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<v Speaker 1>Earlier this Pride Month, we asked you for your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>activations across different sports and we loved hearing your stories.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of you love the tifos at Angel City

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<v Speaker 1>and god MFC games. In fact, it was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of NWSL teams that snagged the bulk of the praise.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a few highlights of what Chelson in Super Slice

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<v Speaker 1>Amanda Valo wrote, quote, I'd like to give my shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to the new home team, Denver NWSL. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a name, players or coaches yet, but on their

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<v Speaker 1>website they've provided a resource guide for celebrating Pride Month.

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<v Speaker 1>Some might say this is rainbow washing or pandering for business,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm choosing to believe it's more than ticket sales.

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<v Speaker 1>They're jumping ten toes into building community, and like some

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<v Speaker 1>of us, they just came out of the womb knowing

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<v Speaker 1>they're gay.

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<v Speaker 2>End quote. Love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Moe O'Donnell, who co owns a bar in Salt Lake City,

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<v Speaker 1>wrote in saying, quote, I know it's surprising, but the

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<v Speaker 1>Utah Royals actually did a lot of cool stuff for

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<v Speaker 1>their Pride match on June thirteenth. First, they actually had

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<v Speaker 1>a pride match, which in twenty twenty five shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>an act of bravery, but it is. The Utah Mammoth

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<v Speaker 1>and the Utah Jazz both received threats from Utah legislature

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<v Speaker 1>to pull some of their funding that's paid for by taxpayers,

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<v Speaker 1>simply because they posted pride logos on their Instagram and

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<v Speaker 1>released pride merch. The RSL Slash Royal's community outreach team

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<v Speaker 1>went around to local LGBTQ plus owned businesses here in

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<v Speaker 1>Salt Lake City and presented them with some merch and

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<v Speaker 1>offered tickets.

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<v Speaker 2>Free of charge to the game. It was actually really

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<v Speaker 2>cool to have them reach out and come to my bar.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to be part of presenting a very large

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<v Speaker 1>Pride flag on the field at the game that day.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully it helps some people feel included in ways that

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't felt much lately. The personal cherry on the

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<v Speaker 1>top for me was when my friend Leslie decided that

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted to make sure the mascot Clio felt the

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<v Speaker 1>Pride as well by giving her.

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<v Speaker 2>A big smooch end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well now we're talking about kissing mascots, so we're

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<v Speaker 1>really in my wheelhouse here.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for that, y'all.

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<v Speaker 1>We love that you're listening, but we always love when

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<v Speaker 1>you get in the game too. So here's our good

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<v Speaker 1>game play of the day. Now that we've heard your

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<v Speaker 1>favorite Pride activations from this year, we want to know

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<v Speaker 1>your favorite memories related to Pride, all things LGBTQ plus

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<v Speaker 2>It's easy. Watch the San Diego Wave throwing a high school.

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<v Speaker 1>Graduation ceremony for mel Barsennis class ranking one of one review.

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<v Speaker 1>The NWSL San Diego Wave held the high school graduation

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<v Speaker 1>ceremony for seventeen year old forward Melanie Barsenis, complete with

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<v Speaker 1>all the traditions, wearing a cap and gown and a

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<v Speaker 1>stole with the Wave logo. Barsennis quote unquote graduated by

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<v Speaker 1>walking through a tunnel of her teammates with Pomp and

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<v Speaker 1>Circumstance playing in the background. Two years ago, Barsenas became

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<v Speaker 1>the youngest player in NWSL history when, at the age

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<v Speaker 1>of fifteen, she signed with the Wave. The San Diego

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<v Speaker 1>native has been homeschooled since elementary school, but recently completed

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<v Speaker 1>her studies.

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<v Speaker 2>We love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Who among us hasn't been celebrated by our professional sports

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<v Speaker 1>team on the day we graduated from high school? Meish

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<v Speaker 1>al Yeah, me neither. Now it's your turn, rate and review.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening, See you tomorrow. Good game, Minji, Good game, Melanie,

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