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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're also

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Speaker 1: proudly wearing a Mystic's jersey court side, even when the

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Speaker 1: sticks are playing against our girlfriend. Check the video in

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Speaker 1: the show notes if you missed that fun little page

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Speaker 1: and asy moment. It's Tuesday, June twenty fourth, and on

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Speaker 1: today's show, Big Citrus is celebrate and pride with the

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Speaker 1: PowerPoint Party, well the audio version of a PowerPoint party anyway,

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Speaker 1: plus a graduation to remember the night when hockey dreams

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Speaker 1: come true, and a story that reminds us once again

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Speaker 1: that sports are political.

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Speaker 2: It's all coming up right after this. Welcome back, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Here's what you need to know today. Let's start with golf.

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Speaker 1: Australia's Minji Lee won the KPMG Women's PGA Championship on

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Speaker 1: Sunday in Frisco, Texas, competing through windy and hot conditions.

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Speaker 1: It marks Lee's third career major title, following her Evan

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Speaker 1: win in twenty twenty two. Lee entered Sunday's final round

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Speaker 1: She takes some one point eight million dollars, part of

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Speaker 1: a record twelve million dollars total perse to hockey. The

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Speaker 1: PWHL Draft is tonight, beginning at seven pm Eastern at

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Speaker 1: the hard Rock Hotel in Ottawa. Now, if you're confused

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Speaker 1: about all the drafts they are having, the last one

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Speaker 2: This is the draft Draft.

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Speaker 1: It's going to consist of six rounds, with all eight teams,

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Speaker 1: including expansion sides Vancouver and Seattle, making one pick per round.

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Speaker 1: The New York Sirens pick first based on the PWHL's

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Speaker 1: Gold Plan, which allows teams to earn points after being

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Speaker 2: You remember that that's the.

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Speaker 1: PWHL's clever way of preventing teams from tanking. Their draft

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Speaker 1: dods actually improve with more wins after they're bounced, not

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Speaker 1: more losses. One hundred and ninety nine players from fifteen

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Speaker 1: countries declared for this draft. Top prospects include Patty Cosmier,

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Speaker 1: winner Casey O'Brien out of Wisconsin, and Clarkson defender Hailey Win.

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Speaker 1: Fans in the US can catch it on the PWHL

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Speaker 1: PWHL Boston Fleet coach Courtney Kessel is departing the team.

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Speaker 1: She's been hired as the new head coach of the

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Speaker 1: Princeton women's hockey team. It marks a return to Princeton

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Speaker 1: Tigers under then head coach Kara Gardner Moury. The Princeton

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Speaker 1: two years leading the Fleet, Kessel compiled a twenty seven,

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Speaker 2: Four to the WNBA.

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Speaker 1: There are four games tonight, including three the tip off

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Speaker 1: Another notable moment in that game, rookie Page Beckers became

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Speaker 1: our show side, the Minnesota Aurora, who clinched a fourth

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Speaker 1: Senegal's Prime Minister has announced that several players and team

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Speaker 1: any exceptions for fans, extended family, or friends intending to

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Speaker 1: When we come back, I assigned some homework and Big

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Speaker 2: Welcome back slices.

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Speaker 1: I'm now joined by the rest of Big Citrus, producer Mes,

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Speaker 2: Hey, you do what's up?

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Speaker 3: Hello?

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Speaker 1: So, I don't know if y'all were aware of this

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Speaker 1: thing to me. I'm told that the young folks started

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Speaker 1: I've been seeing all these clips where people have parties

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Speaker 1: other via PowerPoint a variety of things. It could be

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Speaker 1: like silly interests, childhood talents, secret passions. I've seen presentations

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Speaker 1: how specifically they would die. The possibilities are truly endless.

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Speaker 1: But since I'm never wanted to turn down a theme

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Speaker 1: party and I have not yet thrown one of these parties,

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Speaker 1: we're doing it here and it is an audio medium,

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Speaker 1: each member of Big Citrus Toring a brief presentation on

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Speaker 1: the intersection of pride and women's sports in honor of

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Speaker 1: Pride Month and PowerPoint parties and Alex, I'm opening up

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Speaker 4: I'm so pleased to be here with you today for

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Speaker 4: this important presentation that I would like to title not

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Speaker 4: kissing your sister Colon when your teammate becomes your dreammate.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Ten out of ten yep, already in

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Speaker 2: bought in, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Please know that if this was a visual medium, it

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Speaker 3: Hearts like Cli style hearts.

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Speaker 2: Yep. Cool.

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Speaker 4: So for this story, we have to go back to

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Speaker 4: the year twenty fifteen. A young alex Azzi was embarking

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Speaker 4: on her first Olympic research trips and as a new researcher,

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Speaker 4: I was getting sent to the weirdest possible sporting events

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Speaker 4: Canoe World Championships, Triathlon World Championships, and the euro Hockey Championships.

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Speaker 3: Wow, what an athletic family.

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Speaker 2: Great geens. Parents must be so proud.

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Speaker 4: Well, dear slices. They were not sisters, they were wives.

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Speaker 2: What they were wives and they were the lives and teammates.

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Speaker 4: Well in the year twenty fifteen, It really hadn't been

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Speaker 3: To be like like, oh my god, they're married.

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Speaker 4: I think just to think back to twenty fifteen, though

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Speaker 4: and Meghan Rapino and Christy Lewis and Sam Kirk, Wanna

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for your presentation. Al the hearts look great.

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Speaker 2: So really good reporting.

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Speaker 3: Sticks engay shit, yeah, sticks enga shit.

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Speaker 5: Well, neither is.

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Speaker 2: But you know, is that a thing? Yeah, stick and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like, uh, you know, that could be

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Speaker 2: All right, mesh, your turn. Let's see this presentation.

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 6: Well, uh, I don't know what my slides look like,

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Speaker 6: Alex has got on hers already imaginary.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that.

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Speaker 2: Come on, there are all those grape photos.

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Speaker 6: Gosh, so my presentation we're gonna call this and sorry,

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Speaker 6: it's not as fun as yours. Candice Parker's coming out arc.

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Speaker 6: It's significance in parallels to lead growth A presentation by

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Speaker 6: Misha Jones.

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Speaker 2: Do you write a thesis? I did?

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Speaker 5: It sounds that way.

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Speaker 2: It certainly sounds that way. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you have cliff not cliffs notes? You have footnotes?

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Speaker 2: I might.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna have to cite some things, and you got perfect.

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Speaker 6: Let's let's all get in the time travel machine here

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Speaker 6: and time travel back to the year two thousand and six. Okay,

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Speaker 6: I was nine. All right, Let's let that sink in

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Speaker 1: He sounded like a baby goat for some reason, instead

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Speaker 1: of it, I mean, I was Were you a baby goat?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Period.

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Speaker 6: But I'd already been, you know, a basketball fan at

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Speaker 2: I was all over that.

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Speaker 5: My dad was a duchie. He went to Duke, and

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Speaker 6: But this was the time I started to get serious

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Speaker 6: But we were both obsessed, like mutually obsessed with Candace Parker,

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Speaker 6: But he also really appreciated the hoop, and that's something

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Speaker 6: days ripping shit. She got drafted in O eight and

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Speaker 5: Fellow basketball player.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to Duke.

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Speaker 6: We won't you know, name drop him just you can

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Speaker 6: every time I get an opportunity, the first player to

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Speaker 6: and only thank you, Sarah Spain. But in all of this,

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Speaker 6: not just to mee to a lot of people, and

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Speaker 6: because you know, it still feels like she does, and

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Speaker 5: But it's also not giving them.

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Speaker 6: And then Tamor Young, like for folks who don't know

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Speaker 6: and so it's it's again not giving them. Diana Maki, Yeah, like,

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Speaker 6: the W holds the title of the gayest league ever.

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Speaker 6: To me, that that's really truly why, because so many

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Speaker 6: I could pull out so many pictures for y'all and

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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna do it way. I'm not gonna play

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Speaker 2: Can you give us one?

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Speaker 1: If we're gonna put all these players on blast? Can

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Speaker 1: you give us one meche in a pink Easter dress

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Speaker 2: Y'all? I can, I can give you one.

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Speaker 5: I gotta I gotta scour.

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Speaker 6: I gotta scour the phone because I've tried to get

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Speaker 2: Oh I forgot.

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Speaker 1: You're old enough that none of your photos were actually

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Speaker 2: All of your photos are digital.

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Speaker 3: They're all on Instagram.

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Speaker 5: They're on Instagram and Facebook.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, did you have any of the family members that

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Speaker 3: It was like a frilly dressed.

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Speaker 5: They were like, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. It was an actual problem.

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Speaker 5: But you know, the straight passing of it all very relatable,

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Speaker 5: And back to Canadace.

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Speaker 6: She was the example of this, right she, like I said,

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Speaker 6: And I'm very proud of you if you're straight and

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Speaker 6: out that she had met somebody named Anna Petrokhova.

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Speaker 5: They played together.

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Speaker 6: It was the gayest trope. I feel like we're starting

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Speaker 2: Teammates still lovers, yep.

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Speaker 6: They were together on ummc Ekaterinberg back in twenty twelve

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Speaker 2: Someone told her to put a body on her and

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Speaker 5: That blocks out and she did.

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Speaker 6: And it feels like we just talked about this trope

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Speaker 6: But as Alex said, at that time, tides were starting

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Speaker 5: There were also players who had kind of been and still.

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Speaker 6: and I think that was really important. But at one

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Speaker 6: They were, you know, doing their own thing privately for

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Speaker 5: And I remember the day I saw the post about Petra.

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Speaker 6: Whole lot of emotions for me that I just didn't

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Speaker 6: a person generally speaking, And then to put the bow

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Speaker 6: on it twenty twenty three, If you haven't seen the

444
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Speaker 6: documentary Candice Parker Unapologetic, this is the thing that wrapped

445
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 6: it all up in a bow. For me, hearing about

446
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 6: her journey from her was just so cathartic. So if

447
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 6: you haven't seen it yet, go give it a watch

448
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,080
Speaker 6: on Hulu for all you premium subscribers. But from being

449
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,000
Speaker 6: the straight passing face of the league to being exactly

450
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 6: who she was and still a legend, one of the

451
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 6: legends of the game, it's such a such a wonderful

452
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Speaker 6: arc to be able to take a step back and observe.

453
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Speaker 6: And you know, she retired in twenty twenty four.

454
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Speaker 2: We all know.

455
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Speaker 5: I'm still sad about it.

456
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Speaker 6: But in conclusion, her journey is a prime example of

457
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Speaker 6: the one that this entire league and its players have

458
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Speaker 6: been on. And yeah, her going public with her wifey,

459
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Speaker 6: it really healed something to me. So I'm glad we're

460
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Speaker 6: all here and can celebrate it.

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Speaker 4: It. I distinctly remember that day that she posted that

462
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Speaker 4: instagram of her wife. Yeah, And while I always want

463
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Speaker 4: people to feel comfortable to come out as soon as possible,

464
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Speaker 4: as soon as makes sense for them, it also represents

465
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Speaker 4: the level of trust behind the scenes that she was

466
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Speaker 4: able to keep that to herself. Yeah two years because

467
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Speaker 4: I know I was in a lot of group chats

468
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Speaker 4: that day being like, did you know this about candis?

469
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Speaker 3: Did you know this about Candace?

470
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Speaker 4: Yeah? And I didn't know that about Candace. And I

471
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Speaker 4: think that speaks to the people in her circle that understood, hey,

472
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Speaker 4: this is important for her to be able to do

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Speaker 4: on her own time, in her own space. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: And the other really important distinction I want to make here,

475
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Speaker 6: because my presentation was kind of all about the coming out,

476
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Speaker 6: it's still Pride Month, and I want to be very

477
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Speaker 6: specific in saying, if you're listening to this, you.

478
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Speaker 5: Also don't have to do that.

479
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Speaker 6: You also don't have to feel like you have to

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Speaker 6: tell everybody because you can also just be yourself. And

481
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Speaker 6: I feel like we've entered into a space, into a

482
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Speaker 6: time in twenty twenty five. Well, that's also an option

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Speaker 6: I think with Asy and Page. You know, I'm glad

484
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Speaker 6: that they gave people something that you on in terms

485
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Speaker 6: of soft hard launching their relationship, but I also.

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Speaker 5: Know that if they didn't, we all would have been

487
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Speaker 5: just fine, you know.

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Speaker 1: What I mean. I see both sides of it for sure,

489
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Speaker 1: And anybody who doesn't want to come out, it's not

490
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Speaker 1: your responsibility to give that to others. And also the

491
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Speaker 1: more people who are openly, joyfully, boldly themselves at a

492
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Speaker 1: time when folks are trying to push back on that.

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Speaker 2: The more it frees up others to be that for themselves,

494
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Speaker 2: like you, seeing Candace do that, it really did something

495
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Speaker 2: for you.

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Speaker 1: So I love hearing that really quick story before my

497
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Speaker 1: presentation that you just reminded me of.

498
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Speaker 2: When I was just at the espnW sum at.

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Speaker 1: Canada, the great Sam Rappaport, one of my favorite people

500
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Speaker 1: who has completely changed the face of the NFL with

501
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Speaker 1: her Women in Football forum, getting women coaches hired and

502
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Speaker 1: is now working with USA Football and tennis and much

503
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Speaker 1: for other places, talked about how for the first eight

504
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Speaker 1: or so years I think her working at the NFL,

505
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Speaker 1: she wasn't out and she literally kept post it notes

506
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Speaker 1: in her desk reminding herself of the lies that she

507
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Speaker 1: told one person about how she spent her vacation or

508
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Speaker 1: her holiday or her weekend, so that she could remember

509
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Speaker 1: and tell the same lie to someone else if they

510
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Speaker 1: asked how things had been in her time off and

511
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Speaker 1: she made a joke, she was like, yeah, I mean

512
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Speaker 1: I used to dress like Sarah And I.

513
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Speaker 2: Was like okay, okay, I'm like yeah, it's giving straight.

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Speaker 1: I get it, but you know, it is funny the

515
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Speaker 1: idea of you saying like they were in the wrong closet,

516
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Speaker 1: Like she was in the wrong closet, you know, and

517
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Speaker 1: she got to be herself and come out. And she

518
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Speaker 1: actually told a really moving story about the first person

519
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Speaker 1: she sort of came out to, not intentionally, just it

520
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Speaker 1: happened to be was Roger Goodell. He looked across at

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Speaker 1: a space and she had decided to finally bring her

522
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Speaker 1: girlfriend and not hide it. She grabbed her girlfriend's hand,

523
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Speaker 1: looked up at him, and he walked over with this

524
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Speaker 1: giant smile and hugged her. And I guess he has

525
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Speaker 1: a gay brother and had always been inclusive and she

526
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Speaker 1: wasn't really worried about it, but it was still like

527
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Speaker 1: the very top of the food chain was saying, this

528
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: is great, this is wonderful, and it really helped her

529
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Speaker 1: feel more comfortable everywhere else. So love to hear those stories,

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Speaker 1: especially when they sort of maybe defy your expectations.

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Speaker 4: What I take away from that is we need coach

532
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 4: Jackie to make a new video series.

533
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Speaker 5: Is she gay?

534
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Speaker 4: Or does she just host a women's sports podcast feature

535
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Speaker 4: you and see how it turns out.

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Speaker 2: Oh, all they're gonna say I'm gay. Plenty of people have.

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Speaker 1: My friend Ali actually was just in town this past

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Speaker 1: weekend for Pride here in Chicago, and we were just

539
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Speaker 1: talking about the show and all this stuff, and she's like, oh,

540
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Speaker 1: I figured out what you are.

541
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Speaker 2: You're a dikon And I'm like, I don't know what

542
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Speaker 2: that is.

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Speaker 1: And she's like, a dicon is like an icon for

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Speaker 1: gay women who's straight that like this the gays are

545
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Speaker 1: trying to turn and or at least are appreciative that

546
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Speaker 1: they're like an ally and in the gay space.

547
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Speaker 2: And I was like, I'll take it. I love it.

548
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Speaker 1: Not the ratish kind, the other kind. Yes, I could

549
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Speaker 1: also be a ratish That's fine, so delicious.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: My presentation is called when it comes to Allies, we

552
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Speaker 1: need more awls than Alley's. This presentation is picture it

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Speaker 1: uh plain white page. It's a it's a nod to

554
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: my age, and it features Clippy the paper clip, which

555
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: used to be this animated paper clip that assisted you

556
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: if you were using Microsoft Office. And next to Clippy

557
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: is Chippy, Clippy's boyfriend, So the two of them are

558
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 1: actually walking us through this presentation and the reason I'm

559
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: centering gay men here is because as I was thinking

560
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: about the ally portion of pride and women's sports intersecting,

561
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Speaker 1: I realized that the role of women allies is, and

562
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Speaker 1: for a long time has been, far less necessary on

563
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Speaker 1: the women's side than the role of male allies on

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Speaker 1: the men's side. And actually, my friend Patrick Burke, who

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Speaker 1: helped co found You Can Play. He's now actually vice

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Speaker 1: president of player Safety at the National Hockey League, but

567
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Speaker 1: wrote on his site for you Can Play back at

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen quote. A few months ago, a reporter called

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Speaker 1: me and said he wanted to talk about the LGBT

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Speaker 1: sports movement for a PC he was doing. We establish

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Speaker 1: a convenient time, exchange numbers and hopped on a call.

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Speaker 1: It turns out the piece was on Britney Griner, an

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Speaker 1: elite female basketball player who's a lesbian. We talked for

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Speaker 1: a half hour, so he was a really good guy

575
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Speaker 1: and had a lot of good question When we got

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Speaker 1: to the end of the call, he asked if there

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Speaker 1: was anything we hadn't talked about that I wanted to mention. Well,

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Speaker 1: I responded, we should probably talk about the fact that

579
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: two straight guys just spent thirty minutes talking about the

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Speaker 1: issues lesbian athlete space, and he goes on to write

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Speaker 1: about how the male allies in the LGBTQ plus space

582
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: needed to take a step back and stop centering themselves

583
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: in the conversation and allowing more athletes to speak up

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Speaker 1: for themselves. He understood the power of the male ally,

585
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: but he also understood that it was the same voices

586
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Speaker 1: coming up over and over again.

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00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: Back in twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 1: It was Chris Kluey, Brandon McCarthy, Brennan I and Badejo.

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Speaker 1: It was these great voices that were so necessary, but

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Speaker 1: he was hoping that more of the actual folks living

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Speaker 1: the experiences would come out and speak on it. And

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Speaker 1: I'm looking back at that article in twenty thirteen, and

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Speaker 1: the problem is the same. We still have these great

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Speaker 1: male allies, Steve Nash, Michael Strahan, John Sally. Now we've

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00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: got Kaylen Saunders. He's a defensive tackle for the New

596
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: Orleans Saints. He's hosting an LGBTQ plus youth friendly football camp,

597
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Speaker 1: and he's partnered with a former NFL player who came

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Speaker 1: out as bisexual after he was done playing.

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Speaker 2: R K Russell.

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Speaker 1: You might know of Caylen Saunders because his brother Cameron

601
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: is one of Taylor Swift's backup dancers and is in

602
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Speaker 1: the LGBTQ community. But I'm thinking about this and we're

603
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: getting still all these years later after that article about

604
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: let's center more of the actual athletes, mostly male allies,

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00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: because the men who come out are usually coming out

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00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 1: after retirement, and even then it's usually not the stars.

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Speaker 1: So still the boldest and loudest and most influential voices

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Speaker 1: on the men's side are usually the allies that have

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Speaker 1: the highest profile and are trying to convince other folks

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Speaker 1: to be more welcoming. On the women's sports side, players

611
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 1: have been out in far greater numbers and for much longer,

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Speaker 1: and it's allowed us to center more of the actual

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Speaker 1: women in the conversations, which has been great. So going

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00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: way back, it used to be mostly rumors, you know,

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00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: like we all know baby Diedrichson, like there was always like.

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Speaker 2: Her friend that she lived with and spent a lot

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Speaker 2: of time with, but people knew.

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Speaker 1: But Billy Jean King, not surprisingly was one of the

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Speaker 1: very first out professional women athletes, and it was not

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Speaker 1: a voluntary decision. She was actually publicly outed by her

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Speaker 1: former secretary, and when given the choice, she decided she

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00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna lie. She was going to be honest about

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Speaker 1: it and face the repercussions with sponsors and everything else.

624
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: Same year, Martina Nevertulova, Brianna Scurry, LPGA player Muffin Spencer

625
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: Devlin in nineteen ninety six came out, Sue Wicks in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and two the first out WNBA player Brittany

627
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Speaker 1: grin Or Simone Augustus, sueberg Men and Rapino Babi Wanback.

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00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: They're all, you know, starting to come out in waves

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Speaker 1: as we get closer and closer to the current time,

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Speaker 1: and I realized that the allies in women's sports that

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00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: are now truly necessary are the ones who are advocating

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Speaker 1: for transfolks. The new battle in women's sports for allyship

633
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: and for public support is not for acceptance of gay teammates,

634
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Speaker 1: but standing up for transfolks. And that's not to say

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00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,239
Speaker 1: it's simple for queer women athletes these days. They are

636
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: still facing pushback from everything from the Trump administration to

637
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: laws to everything else, but it is so much more

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00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: accepted in the women's space that it feels like now

639
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: even marginalized folks like queer women are having to step

640
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: out and advocate for even more marginalized folks like trans

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00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: athletes in the battle. So I think it's very clear

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00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,959
Speaker 1: why allyship is about safety and community for those who

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Speaker 1: will not naturally be afforded it, and men's sports doesn't

644
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: offer that, and that's sad. The male sports space is

645
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: not a space that says you can be you here,

646
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: but the women's sports space, in part because of stereotypes

647
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: around sport and toughness and masculinity and everything else, allows

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Speaker 1: that first step of saying it makes sense that you're

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Speaker 1: here and will allow it.

650
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Speaker 2: But then once you're in it, it's really.

651
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Speaker 1: About the community that's created, the inclusion, and all of

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00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: these things that are so much more natural in a

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Speaker 1: space full of women than they are in a space

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Speaker 1: full of men. And I just am sad for the

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Speaker 1: men's space that I can read an article from back

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Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen and we can be almost nowhere when

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Speaker 1: it comes to more really high big name professional men

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Speaker 1: being out, and we can see the numbers for women

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00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: going up and up, and the conversations evolving and becoming

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Speaker 1: more sophisticated.

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Speaker 2: I just wish that that were the case for men

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 4: I want to shout out American volleyball player Eric Shoji,

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Speaker 4: the US men's team captain, who just last week came out. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and so I was super excited to see that, and

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Speaker 4: his comments on Instagram are just flooded with support from teammates.

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Speaker 3: And other folks in volleyball world. So shout out to him.

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Speaker 1: There's a minor league player who was in the White

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Speaker 1: Sox system. I think he is not anymore though a

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Speaker 1: year or two ago. That came out, and I think

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Speaker 1: baseball is a real tough one. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: good old boys in that sport, and I was really

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Speaker 1: impressed and proud of his decision to come out and

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Speaker 1: make it known. And you know, his name's Anderson Comas.

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Speaker 1: I would be very interested in following his career in

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Speaker 1: the hopes that his talent is enough to get him

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Speaker 1: to the next level and that he won't be held

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Speaker 1: back by that admission.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and since we're doing shout outs, I got to

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Speaker 6: give a shout out to Kevin Maxon, who I had

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Speaker 6: the chance to meet at the Athlete Ally Athlete Activism

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Speaker 6: Summit last weekend.

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Speaker 2: Was the Jaguars.

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Speaker 6: One of the Jaguars strength coaches in the NFL and

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Speaker 6: actually was the first out male coach in major men's

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Speaker 6: pro sports. So he was just he was such a

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Speaker 6: wonderful spirit, and he spoke so openly about the different

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Speaker 6: ways like he had been challenged. But also you know

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Speaker 6: about how in some of these locker rooms or with

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Speaker 6: some of these players, in his experience in the NFL,

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Speaker 6: it was actually a very welcoming space, and so they might.

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Speaker 5: Be fewer and further between, but you know, folks are

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Speaker 5: folks are working on it.

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Speaker 2: Progress is being made, for sure.

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Speaker 1: I just think as I sat to think about a

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Speaker 1: presentation that was going to be on allies in the

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Speaker 1: women's space, I realized that we are able to shine

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Speaker 1: a spotlight on the very people that we want to

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Speaker 1: center as opposed to needing to hold up allies to

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Speaker 1: support them, and that it's not the case in the

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Speaker 1: men's space. Yeah, excellent presentations. If anyone wants to invite

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Speaker 1: me to their PowerPoint party for real, I kind of

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Speaker 1: want to make slides.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm kind of insulted that I haven't been invited

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Speaker 4: to a power I know me party.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have heardy friends, where are you guys?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to admit I'm usually the one who's

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Speaker 1: making all the party plans and inviting everyone and forcing

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Speaker 1: them into weird costumes and themes. So I guess it's

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Speaker 1: my own damn fault. Time for me to I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: wait till the winter. It's too nice out for a

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Speaker 1: PowerPoint party. When the cold weather hits, It's on, all right,

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Speaker 1: We got to take another break when we come back.

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Speaker 1: Some of your favorite activations from Pride Month welcome back Slices.

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Speaker 1: Earlier this Pride Month, we asked you for your favorite

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Speaker 1: activations across different sports and we loved hearing your stories.

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Speaker 1: A lot of you love the tifos at Angel City

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Speaker 1: and god MFC games. In fact, it was a lot

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Speaker 1: of NWSL teams that snagged the bulk of the praise.

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Speaker 1: Here's a few highlights of what Chelson in Super Slice

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Speaker 1: Amanda Valo wrote, quote, I'd like to give my shout

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Speaker 1: out to the new home team, Denver NWSL. They don't

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Speaker 1: have a name, players or coaches yet, but on their

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Speaker 1: website they've provided a resource guide for celebrating Pride Month.

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Speaker 1: Some might say this is rainbow washing or pandering for business,

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Speaker 1: but I'm choosing to believe it's more than ticket sales.

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Speaker 1: They're jumping ten toes into building community, and like some

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Speaker 1: of us, they just came out of the womb knowing

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Speaker 1: they're gay.

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Speaker 2: End quote. Love that.

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Speaker 1: Moe O'Donnell, who co owns a bar in Salt Lake City,

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Speaker 1: wrote in saying, quote, I know it's surprising, but the

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Speaker 1: Utah Royals actually did a lot of cool stuff for

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Speaker 1: their Pride match on June thirteenth. First, they actually had

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Speaker 1: a pride match, which in twenty twenty five shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: an act of bravery, but it is. The Utah Mammoth

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Speaker 1: and the Utah Jazz both received threats from Utah legislature

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Speaker 1: to pull some of their funding that's paid for by taxpayers,

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Speaker 1: simply because they posted pride logos on their Instagram and

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Speaker 1: released pride merch. The RSL Slash Royal's community outreach team

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Speaker 1: went around to local LGBTQ plus owned businesses here in

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Speaker 1: Salt Lake City and presented them with some merch and

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Speaker 1: offered tickets.

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Speaker 2: Free of charge to the game. It was actually really

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Speaker 2: cool to have them reach out and come to my bar.

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Speaker 1: We got to be part of presenting a very large

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Speaker 1: Pride flag on the field at the game that day.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully it helps some people feel included in ways that

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Speaker 1: we haven't felt much lately. The personal cherry on the

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Speaker 1: top for me was when my friend Leslie decided that

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Speaker 1: she wanted to make sure the mascot Clio felt the

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Speaker 1: Pride as well by giving her.

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Speaker 2: A big smooch end quote.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well now we're talking about kissing mascots, so we're

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Speaker 1: really in my wheelhouse here.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for that, y'all.

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Speaker 1: We love that you're listening, but we always love when

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Speaker 1: you get in the game too. So here's our good

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Speaker 1: game play of the day. Now that we've heard your

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Speaker 1: favorite Pride activations from this year, we want to know

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Speaker 1: your favorite memories related to Pride, all things LGBTQ plus

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Speaker 1: and women's sports from years past, so send them in.

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Speaker 2: It's easy. Watch the San Diego Wave throwing a high school.

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Speaker 1: Graduation ceremony for mel Barsennis class ranking one of one review.

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Speaker 1: The NWSL San Diego Wave held the high school graduation

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Speaker 1: ceremony for seventeen year old forward Melanie Barsenis, complete with

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Speaker 1: all the traditions, wearing a cap and gown and a

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Speaker 1: stole with the Wave logo. Barsennis quote unquote graduated by

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Speaker 1: walking through a tunnel of her teammates with Pomp and

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Speaker 1: Circumstance playing in the background. Two years ago, Barsenas became

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Speaker 1: the youngest player in NWSL history when, at the age

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Speaker 1: of fifteen, she signed with the Wave. The San Diego

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Speaker 1: native has been homeschooled since elementary school, but recently completed

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Speaker 1: her studies.

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Speaker 2: We love it.

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Speaker 1: Who among us hasn't been celebrated by our professional sports

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Speaker 1: team on the day we graduated from high school? Meish

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Speaker 1: al Yeah, me neither. Now it's your turn, rate and review.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, See you tomorrow. Good game, Minji, Good game, Melanie,

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Speaker 1: You Utah legislature hating on Pride logos. Good Game with

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