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Speaker 2: And Kevin and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to and That's what you Really miss podcast. A

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Speaker 1: very very very special episode. Yes, who do we have to?

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Speaker 2: We have Michael Asiello who is TV journalist Royalty, worked

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Speaker 2: He's such a fan of TV and writes really wonderful

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Speaker 2: breaking all kinds of stories. We'd see him on red

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Speaker 2: like Glee Memory.

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Speaker 1: Who's a strong part of the twitter verse. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: and he's whipping those fans up a trusted, trusted source,

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Speaker 1: so he also has some sources of his own, that's right.

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Speaker 1: See if he feels some you enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Hello, you both look amazing.

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Speaker 2: So do you? I love that haircut?

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Speaker 1: Great?

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Speaker 4: I got it cut just for this.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, I had a feeling.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate it for that. We love to look at beauty.

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Speaker 4: I know I've listened to your podcast you're obsessed with it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's all we talk about.

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Speaker 5: Really.

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Speaker 1: I mean we come, you know, dressed in the nines

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Speaker 1: for our podcast.

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Speaker 4: Now I can see that. But fashion is off the hook.

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Speaker 2: It may not look like it, but Jenna's sweatshirt is

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Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 4: Wow. Actually yeah, I can see it.

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Speaker 1: Stains on it, so I can see it.

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Speaker 2: And my T shirt's definitely not twenty years old.

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Speaker 1: Michael Jenna, it's good to see you.

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Speaker 4: It's good to see you. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to our show, Welcome to the Glee podcast.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. I was so excited to

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Speaker 1: Wollvery a very important part of the Glee history.

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Speaker 4: I maybe you know, it's funny. I did a little

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Speaker 4: I was going through my Glee coverage over the years,

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Speaker 4: and let me tell you, there's a lot of it.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot, and you're a part of a lot.

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Speaker 2: In different mediums as well, because Twitter and Glee sort

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Speaker 2: of was this beautiful marriage in the very beginning, because

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Speaker 2: were on there interacting with fans daily for lots of shows,

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Speaker 2: not even just Glee, and you had all the spoilers,

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that's really my If my legacy about

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Speaker 4: it's the news that I broke during that time, and

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Speaker 4: different time back then when like spoilers were like a

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Speaker 2: Who was your source?

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Speaker 4: So now that the show is over and now time

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Speaker 2: God, you got me, girl, I'm sweating. I really felt like,

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Speaker 4: You're gonna find who deep deep Throat.

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Speaker 1: Is the biggest news we'll have on our podcast.

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Speaker 2: Ever, I also had a fear that I'm like, was

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Speaker 1: You're fired, Kevin, You're fired.

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Speaker 4: You know what I will say is it was It's

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Speaker 2: to some gossipy, slanderous like you do serious stuff reporting

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it helps it. You know, I worked

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Speaker 4: It's a decision above my pay grade. Back then, for sure,

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Speaker 4: but I don't know that I would have immediately jumped

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00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 4: back in. But obviously it was an out of the

437
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,879
Speaker 4: box hit, so there and it did well, that's no

438
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 4: thing I'll say. It is like Glee stuff performed so

439
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 4: well traffic wise that it was it would have been

440
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 4: bad business for me to drop the ball. And uh

441
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 4: so some you know, and sometimes I have to think

442
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 4: with that brain too. It's like what is good for

443
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 4: the business whether I love the show or not. And

444
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 4: again I did love the show. I just didn't love

445
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 4: the pilot. And then in later seasons I had issues

446
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 4: just like a lot of other people. But generally speaking, uh,

447
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 4: you know, the main motivator was It's like the audience

448
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 4: was locking to TV Guide, Interesting Weekly and tv Line

449
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 4: for Glee coverage and that was a demand. Who were

450
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 4: more than happy.

451
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: To film sure. Sure, And then we kept our set pretty.

452
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 1: They kept it to a minimum with press on set

453
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:54,959
Speaker 1: do you feel like that, Kevin, Like, there wasn't a

454
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 1: ton of media that was there was it was very controlled.

455
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Speaker 1: But you visited a bit?

456
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 4: Nope, I did not. I believe I visited once. No,

457
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure I visited.

458
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: Memory you were there a lot.

459
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 4: Oh that's so nice.

460
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: I mean, make a handful of familiar faces that we

461
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: had on set that were allowed on set that we

462
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: actually like, welcomed to see. Right, But that's so interesting.

463
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 4: Well, so one of the reasons why So Tim Stack

464
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 4: did most of the Glee covers and Entertainment Weekly, so

465
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 4: I was the one who would be on set doing

466
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 4: a cover story. I'm the one who's breaking news stories

467
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. Anything. I would think that producers like,

468
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 4: we don't want him on set. He's already got enough sources,

469
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 4: you know, we don't want him, you know, and curing anymore.

470
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 4: Not to say that God was a reason I wasn't

471
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 4: in there. Really just wasn't a necessity for me to

472
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 4: be there because I wasn't doing bigger stories. But I

473
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 4: do remember, and I don't know if it was like

474
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 4: a TCA set visit. I don't think it was, because

475
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 4: I do kind of remember I was I was there

476
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 4: by myself, but I was any in the choir room,

477
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 4: maybe season four or five, and I was there all

478
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 4: day while you guys were shooting choir stuff. I forget

479
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 4: exactly what was going on, but I do remember distinctly

480
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 4: how how kind Corey was to me during that day,

481
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 4: because I was kind of by myself, and you know,

482
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 4: and you know, as you know, there's a lot of

483
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 4: time to kill when you're on SAT and Nice. For

484
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 4: whatever reason, I spent the whole day there, but he

485
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 4: kept checking in on me, and I remember he came

486
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 4: over and we were talking. He had just shot a

487
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 4: movie in Philadelphia that hadn't come out yet that he

488
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 4: was really excited about, and he was talking to me

489
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 4: about that, and really that was my biggest memory from

490
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 4: that day, was just like how lovely keen it was

491
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 4: and one monsters the two of you were. That's really

492
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 4: the takeaway track. I've done that.

493
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: We can cut that out.

494
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 2: It's fine, this is our show.

495
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 4: Everybody, honestly, everybody was nice. That was another one of

496
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: those days was like I'm not seeing the drama, that's

497
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 4: the tension. I'm seeing a bunch of professional people who

498
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 4: are showing up. They know their lines are doing their

499
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 4: work and like there was I didn't see any any

500
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 4: of that. So I think that was the one time

501
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 4: I maybe stop by to set one or other one

502
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 4: one one more times for like a TCA event or whatever.

503
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 4: But that was the like one meaty day that I

504
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 4: spent them.

505
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: Sure that makes sense.

506
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 5: Corey was always like, come on in.

507
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: He's just so inclusive the amount of.

508
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: Times we were late to press things because he was

509
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: genuinely so nice and talking to everyone.

510
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: We're late, we have to.

511
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: We have to get out of here, we have to go.

512
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 4: And you know, I'll say it just about Corey too.

513
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 4: Is I remember when I found out that he had died,

514
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 4: and it was late at night on the East Coast,

515
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 4: I believe hit my late husband, Uh and I were

516
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 4: about to go to sleep, or I had already fallen asleep.

517
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 4: Kit was still awake and he woke me up and

518
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 4: he was like Michael because he knew, you know, he

519
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 4: came to the concert with me. He you know, he

520
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 4: was part of the Glee phenomenon too. He's like, you're

521
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 4: not going to believe this. And I think it was

522
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 4: TMZ that broke it. And I was like, it's liked

523
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 4: midnight or one am, and I'm like in disbelieve, I

524
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 4: can't believe what I'm reading. I'm shocked, I'm sad, I'm

525
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 4: all these things. But then I have to switch gears immediately.

526
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 4: I have to actually write a fucking story about him dying.

527
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 4: So it's like the brain has to immediately shift from

528
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 4: being like stunned, shocked, sad, all these things too. Oh,

529
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 4: I have to actually write about this now. It's my

530
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 4: job to write a story about this person that I

531
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 4: know that I've covered, that I've interviewed. And the same

532
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 4: thing with Naya to a degree. You know, it's like

533
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 4: obviously that she died after the show had ended, but

534
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 4: it's still is a story we covered, that we had

535
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 4: to cover, and it's just that's one of the tricky things,

536
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 4: is just the brain switch of Okay, turn off the

537
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 4: personal and get into the professional mode because you have to.

538
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 4: You have to write the story now, And there are

539
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 4: two different sides of the brain.

540
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting. It resonates to maybe Kevin, you

541
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: can ogree your disagree, but like for us, we lost

542
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: a friend and we lost a cast mat or and

543
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: a character on our show, and so there was a

544
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: very very thin line between what you were seeing on

545
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: camera in the quarterback and what you were seeing in

546
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: real life, right behind the scenes. And I hate that episode,

547
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: hate shooting it, hate everything about it obviously because what

548
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: you're watching is us grieving a friend. You have a

549
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: camera in your face.

550
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 4: And it wasn't that long after, right, It was like

551
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 4: a couple of months when you shut up.

552
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: It was like three months or two it was.

553
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 5: It was very maybe two months, very fresh, and it's

554
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 5: I also don't know, like to your point about having

555
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 5: to switch gears and like write about it how you

556
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 5: Then it was obviously the first time for us, for

557
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 5: a lot of us to one lose somebody close to

558
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 5: us and to your sort of a public figure or

559
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 5: the show is this public entity, and so then you're

560
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 5: having to deal with that whole side of it.

561
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: Then there are reporters, journalists writing about it. Then there

562
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: are people on social media tweeting you or whatever. And

563
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: the balance of how do we figure out one how

564
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: to like grieve a friend and then also represent this

565
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: publicly in a way that is like honoring him and

566
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: respectful but also not encroaching on any of us what

567
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: we feel comfortable doing. Very weird for you.

568
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: Like trying to be respectful but while having to do

569
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: a job right to report on it and to write it.

570
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: It feels I'm sure it felt very right.

571
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 4: It's like, when is it When is it okay for

572
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 4: you to start asking the producers how you're going to

573
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 4: incorporate this into the show? You know, it's like and

574
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 4: because that also is a big part of the story.

575
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 4: And as I remember, Corey died right before Comic Con.

576
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 4: Once it was over the summer, it was starting a hiatus,

577
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 4: and it was before Comic Con, and I remember getting

578
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 4: pulled out of an interview in our interview Street because

579
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 4: Ryan Murphy wanted to speak to me. He was speaking

580
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 4: to a couple of journalists I believe about how he

581
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 4: was going to handle Corey's death on the show. And

582
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 4: that was the first time we knew how it was

583
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 4: going to be handle on how it was going to

584
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 4: be dealt with. And you know, I have to say it.

585
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: I thought it was beautifully done and was a beautiful tribute,

586
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 4: But it's an impossible situation. I can't imagine what you

587
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 4: guys went through.

588
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how any show, you know, there's

589
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 2: a handful of shows that's happened, and like I watched

590
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 2: The West Wing after that had happened, and I was like, oh,

591
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: how do they deal with this? And it's this weird.

592
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: It is impossible. I think it's a sort of lose

593
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: lose no matter what, where there's no proper way because

594
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: there's no real way, especially on a TV schedule, to

595
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 2: like separate that real life event from a fictional character

596
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: event because you're grieving in real time and you're shooting

597
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: five days a week, sometimes six days a week, and

598
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: so there is no sort of separation at all of anything.

599
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: So it's a weird, weird thing. But I will say,

600
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: though you're writing about these tough things, which you wrote

601
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: about your relationship with your husband, Kit was the is

602
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: one of the most phenomenal books I've ever read. And

603
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 2: then that movie that came out, Boy, like you can

604
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: write your damn face off and like share like these

605
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: really hard to talk about things. Reading that I think

606
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: also helped me, you know, go through these hard grief

607
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 2: stages of grief and things like that and thinking about

608
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: the past. But if anyone has not read your book,

609
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,959
Speaker 2: spoiler the hero dies, it's unbelievable. And see the movie

610
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: just ugly cried through both of them. I made all

611
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: my friends go see the movie. I was like, you

612
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: give me that book, Yeah, thank you sent it to me, like,

613
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: thank you for Like, I'm just it was.

614
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 4: Here for the support. Let me just say, it's like,

615
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 4: when that book came out, you were so lovely. I

616
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 4: think you even moted it before you even read it.

617
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 4: And then when the movie came out, You're just I

618
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 4: don't take the support for granted. I really appreciate it.

619
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 4: You've been always so kind to me with with my

620
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 4: career and uh, and I'm just extremely grateful.

621
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: So thank you, Kevin, I mean more than welcome. You

622
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: do not need to thank me, because it's also just

623
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 2: like it's beautiful. It's a beautiful piece of work. The

624
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: movie is also equally as beautiful. And as a genuine

625
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: fan of the book, I was also you know, so

626
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 2: I was like, what is this movie going to be?

627
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: Am I going to get the same feeling? And did

628
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: and it felt like such a great translation of the

629
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 2: book onto the screen. And how I mean, what was

630
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: that process like for you going from one deciding to

631
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: write this book, have the book come out, and then

632
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: have a movie with you know, Jim Parsons and Sally Field.

633
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 4: It was so many things like but as I sit

634
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 4: here now a year out from the movie having come out,

635
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 4: it almost doesn't feel real. It doesn't feel did it happen?

636
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 4: Like did all that? Because you know, this past year

637
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 4: has been challenged for me. It's been really different, like

638
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 4: a morning period because after kid died, I started writing

639
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 4: the book like three months late after he died, or

640
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 4: maybe four months, because my biggest fear was if I'm

641
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 4: going to do this, I need to do it quickly

642
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 4: because I'm not going to remember like the little the

643
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 4: little things like the conversations, mannerisms like and to me

644
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 4: it felt like if I were if I was going

645
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 4: to do Kit justice or come close to doing justice

646
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 4: to him, I need to remember those details. So I

647
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 4: had to start right right away. But you know, the

648
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 4: book led into the movie, and that was over eight

649
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 4: years of my life. That last January came to an

650
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 4: end and was essentially over and and it was a loss.

651
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 4: It was it was a loss of this experience, this

652
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 4: incredible experience, life changing experience. It was a loss of Kit.

653
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 4: It was you know, I was able to hang on

654
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 4: to him for those three eight years professionally, through the book,

655
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 4: through the movie. He was with me for all that

656
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 4: and then he's now gone too, Like I had nothing

657
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 4: to nothing is you know, sort of tethering me to

658
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 4: him other than memories. But it was this past year

659
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 4: has been about letting go and moving on in many ways,

660
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 4: you know, professionally, emotionally, personally. You know, I was going

661
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 4: to ask you, you guys, not to say it's the

662
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 4: same thing. But when Glee ended, did you guys have

663
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 4: a period of where you're like, oh my god, I

664
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 4: just went I just went through this incredible, once in

665
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 4: a lifetime experience and now it's over. I'm sure this

666
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 4: was some relief to that, like, oh we made it.

667
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 4: I'm alive, I survived. But also did you have a

668
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 4: period of, like of mourning of the experience?

669
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 2: For me, I did years later.

670
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: Yes.

671
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: I think a lot of us, I think buried ourselves

672
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: in work immediately, Like Jenna moved back to New York,

673
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 2: I went to London and we were just sort of

674
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: the show's done. It was really hard on us and

675
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 2: emotionally physically, let's like geographically get as far away as

676
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 2: possible to do something else. And then it wasn't until

677
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 2: those new things faded away that I think we all

678
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: sort of had this realization or maybe it was a

679
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: morning period of like, Wow, we worked really hard for

680
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: a really long time and experienced this crazy thing. And

681
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: I think even still to this day, those things are

682
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: still coming up for me when I'm in different situations

683
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: or meeting new people or different groups of friends, and

684
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 2: the things I'm interested in are not interested in, are

685
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: wholly affected by that experience. I think where it's like,

686
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: we went through so much in such a pretty like

687
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: short amount of time, life changing events that there's no

688
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: way that those ripples don't continue I think for years,

689
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: decades afterwards, and.

690
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 4: So time in your life.

691
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm still learning. I think about that, and

692
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: every now, you know, doing this talking to different people

693
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: who had different interactions with the show. I think that

694
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: sort of maybe is judging up a lot of that

695
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: as well, and in a good way. I think you

696
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 2: do sort of have to. It's good to work through

697
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 2: it and think through it and deeply about it, as

698
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: opposed to maybe what we initially did, which was physically

699
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 2: literally run away from it.

700
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we actually did. I think there was a

701
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: it was a distraction period of like I'm done, I'm good.

702
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: Get me out of here, Like I moved back to

703
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: New York's it get me out of LA because that's

704
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: the only thing that I associated Los Angeles with was

705
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: with Glee. So I called it a gree talks, and

706
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: I went home. I worked on other things. I saw

707
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: my family. And then when the work slowed down and

708
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 1: nobody wanted anything to do with us, Like no casting

709
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: rooms wanted to see us because we were Tina and Artie,

710
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: like it was a very hard thing for them to separate,

711
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: which makes total sense. And then there was all these

712
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: emotions that I think were unresolved from feeling I don't know,

713
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: I guess not, I guess over worked or underappreciated at

714
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: least for me in some of these moments, and never

715
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: being able to actually vocalize that and just walking away

716
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: as an actor saying, I say, yes, I do my lines,

717
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: I you know, show up on time and I go home.

718
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: And so there was like a reckoning period. I think

719
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: after Nia died, that was a huge reckoning from a

720
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, Ryan, for us, for us

721
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: with Ryan, because Ryan really didn't talk about Lee, you know,

722
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: after all of that.

723
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 4: I know when he did your podcast. I was so

724
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 4: surprised pleasantly like, yeah, I was like I was so

725
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 4: happy for the two of you because I knew what

726
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 4: that that, what that endorsement, and what that that that

727
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 4: publicity and visibility would do for your podcast. But I

728
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 4: also was like it just made me feel good that

729
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 4: he was at a place where he was like I'm

730
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 4: ready to talk and to the two of you. It

731
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 4: was just really nice all around.

732
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: No, agreed, Agreed. We're very grateful for that and for

733
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: him and to be in like a just a healing

734
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: place with everybody in the show now. But you know,

735
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: it took how long, like how long has it been

736
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: since we finished twenty fifteen? Was it?

737
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: Yeah? But I think it sort of takes unfortunately, or

738
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: it took a really another horrible event to happen to

739
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: sort of like okay, you guys, like life is too short. Yeah,

740
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 2: we and as you know, bringing you back to that

741
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 2: interview that we talked about a comic con where you

742
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 2: saw the joy and like the love that we all

743
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: had with each other where it's like, I think we

744
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 2: got caught up in sort of the media scrutiny of

745
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: the show postally, and that altered everyone's opinion of the

746
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 2: show for us ourselves, which is a weird thing to

747
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: experience because it's like, well, no, let's we had a

748
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: great time. We made connections with people, and just like

749
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 2: people do it any co working space, you know, where

750
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: you find your people, the people that you're obsessed with,

751
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 2: they become family. And we were obviously spending fifteen sixteen

752
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: hours a day with each other, and like, let's remember

753
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: those things because we're losing people that we love and like,

754
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 2: we can't be doing this anymore. And so I think, luckily,

755
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: out of a horrible situation, we found I think one

756
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: of the only positive things that could have come out

757
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: of it. And luckily it was a all hands on

758
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: deck sort of approach, because I mean I talked, We

759
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: all talked to everyone, and I had people who are angry,

760
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: and because it's just sort of brings up all that

761
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: stuff where where it's unrelated in a sense of like

762
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,439
Speaker 2: Nya passing away was like this horrible tragic thing. Why

763
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: are people talking about Glee? Like why are we talking

764
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 2: about this thing that happened so long ago? Still and

765
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, we were talking about it, and like, okay,

766
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: let's this out. Let's figure this out now because we

767
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 2: can't do this.

768
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 4: That the most uplifting podcast.

769
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: This is welcome to our therapy catch.

770
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you know what I will.

771
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 4: I will say that it's something about loss. It's so

772
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 4: it's so universal, you know, It's like it's one thing

773
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 4: that I'm reminded of when people reach out to me

774
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 4: about the book or the movie. It's like mostly it's

775
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 4: like I went through this and it helped me get

776
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 4: every No one is immune to loss, and I think

777
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 4: it's one of the things that binds us together, uh

778
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 4: and sort of a connected fissue. We are experiencing that

779
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 4: loss and grief and we all go through it, and

780
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's actually I enjoy talking to people

781
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 4: about their own processes journeys with loss, and I inevitably

782
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 4: learned something about them, but also just about the greeting

783
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 4: process as well.

784
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: I think that's also why I'm just like so constantly

785
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: in awe of you and the book in the movie,

786
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: because to be able to voice that, to share all

787
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: these like incredible moments of your relationship and the hard

788
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: moments for somebody to do that, to put themselves out there,

789
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 2: to put that down on paper. So the rest of

790
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: us can not only learn about your story, but then

791
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 2: learn about ourselves and also how we can deal with

792
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: grief and also like it is the most universal experience

793
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: of life. Yeah, and once you are affected by it

794
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 2: or impacted by it, you're part of this really shitty club.

795
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,919
Speaker 2: But you know there are everybody at some point will

796
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 2: be in that club. And it's nice to be able

797
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: to find something for me. I guess it was your

798
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: book really of starting a dialog and feeling comfortable about

799
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 2: talking about that or working on it with yourself, And

800
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: so I think that's why I'm always drawn to it

801
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: and always bring it up every time I see you,

802
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 2: because it's just like a really impressive feat and the

803
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 2: world is better off that you put yourself out there

804
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 2: in that way.

805
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 4: Thank you.

806
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 2: Are there any shows right now that you're obsessed with?

807
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: Because you have some great taste.

808
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 4: You know. I think that the titles I'm going to

809
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 4: spout off are not going to be surprising to anyone.

810
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 4: But The Bear is just the most incredible show. Succession

811
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 4: and White Lotus. You know, I'm a big HBO geek.

812
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 4: You know, so much of their programming. I loved Barry.

813
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 4: You know, HBO just has such an incredible track record

814
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 4: of God, they just have so many great things, and

815
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 4: they had such a great run for so many years.

816
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 4: It's like it feels like all my favorite shows were

817
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 4: on HBO. Oh. For All Mankinds on Apple TV Plus,

818
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 4: which is a little show that doesn't get nearly enough attention,

819
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 4: and their new season, season four is out now, and

820
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 4: it's just such a beautifully, smartly done show about space,

821
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 4: outer space and astronauts, things that I'm not particularly usually

822
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 4: interested in. But you know, at the end of the day,

823
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 4: it's a soap opera, though, you know, all these Successions,

824
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 4: it's a soap opera. Yeah, you know. And I'm a

825
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 4: kid who grew up obsessed with soap opera, and really

826
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 4: that's just continuing storylines, surrealized storylines. So I'm a I mean,

827
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 4: I'm a sucker for a good soap opera. And some

828
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 4: of the soap operas a little more high brow than others,

829
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 4: you know, you know, Succession is certainly one of those.

830
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 4: For All Mankind is one of those, but uh, and

831
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 4: Felicity was certainly, uh, in my opinion, one of those

832
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 4: with those as well.

833
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Felicity, Love Felicity.

834
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 4: I wanted to be Felicity. I mean I was Felicity

835
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 4: one year for Halloween. But the short, the long hair scene,

836
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 4: it's on my Instagram scene, but it was it was terrifying.

837
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 4: It was terrifying. It was terrified. Everybody was terrifying. But

838
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 4: that's what Halloween is. That scared people.

839
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know who can make a good TV

840
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 2: shows that Carrie Russell. I mean that track record she touches,

841
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: it's goll Diplomat is like my favorite thing.

842
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 4: Oh so good.

843
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: The Diplomat really all the boxes for me.

844
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,280
Speaker 4: And that surprised me because and I told Perry this myself.

845
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 4: It was like the trailer. I did that love the

846
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 4: trailer because again, there was a total thing with the trailer.

847
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 4: It was like slapsticky, you know, and that's not the show,

848
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 4: and there is comedy in it, but it's layered comedy

849
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 4: and it's it comes out through character. The trailer did

850
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 4: the show no favor. So I had very low expectations

851
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 4: going in, even with the presence of Perry. So I

852
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 4: was so pleasantly surprised where I was like, this ship

853
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 4: is good. It's like your seat, yes, and I'm so

854
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 4: happy it.

855
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:26,280
Speaker 2: Was for New It's like if Aaron Sorkin wrote something

856
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: a little lighter, Yeah, right, just a little less dense,

857
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: and yeah, I love it. I love a good political

858
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: And she's so good.

859
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 4: She's so good, she's the role. And you know, it's

860
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 4: so funny you say something about the haircut. This is

861
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 4: something I talk about a lot, is the seasons been

862
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 4: the season two haircut. When the pandemic happened and we

863
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 4: were like looking for things to write about because there

864
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 4: was no television on. I went back and I revisited

865
00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 4: Felicity season two, the famous haircut season, and because I

866
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 4: wanted to do a defense of not just the haircut,

867
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 4: but of this season as a whole, which was overshadowed,

868
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Speaker 4: marred by this this incident. And I think there's all

869
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 4: anyone thinks about, like the sophomore slump. She got a haircut,

870
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 4: and then the ratings went down, Well, the ratings went

871
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 4: down because the show moved to a new night, not

872
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 4: because of the haircut, but that's a better, snazzier last

873
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 4: your headline to do that the headline killed the show,

874
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 4: which not happened, but anyway, I rewatched all of season

875
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 4: two and did this sort of deep dive into why

876
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 4: season two was even better than season one in my opinion.

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00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 4: You know, I threw down. I was like, yes, the

878
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 4: haircut season is actually the superior season of Felicity, and

879
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 4: here's why. And let me tell you it holds up

880
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 4: season two. I would if you want, and you want

881
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 4: to go back and watch any season, go back and

882
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 4: watch season two. It's phenomenal. And the haircut made sense

883
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 4: in ca the character's world. It made sense regardless of

884
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 4: the bullshit about whether it was the smart decision for

885
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 4: the publicity, for the show or for Kerry. It was

886
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 4: like a character in college doing impulsive things. It made

887
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 4: sense for her to do that, especially coming off of

888
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 4: this romantic drama. Anyway, this isn't a podcast about Felicity.

889
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 2: It can't be, but it can be.

890
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: But it also felt like the publicity I remember it.

891
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: I didn't watch all Felicity, but like I watched it

892
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: much later in time after it was, you know, airing live,

893
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: and that was the memorable moment for me. It was

894
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: like she cut her hair, like all the process everywhere,

895
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're talking about.

896
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 2: I feel like it's akin to like it's such like

897
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 2: a non thing, like she cut her hair. It's like

898
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: when Obama wore a tan suit'. That's all we have.

899
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: That's the only negativity we have to say about this show.

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00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: It's pretty good.

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00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 4: Well, I think the fact that the ratings went down

902
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 4: in tandem with the hair but it gave people a

903
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 4: store a narrative. It was like, oh, she cut her

904
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 4: haircut and the ratings went down, But everybody forgets the

905
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 4: reason the ratings went down was because it moved to

906
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 4: a new night, and I think it was opposite friends, like,

907
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 4: I think it was Thursday night that it was, so

908
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 4: it was I think I think, don't don't quote me

909
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 4: on that, but I think it moved to a much

910
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 4: more competitive time. Stuff. But I will say one thing

911
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 4: I'm super proud of is that haircut reference made it

912
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 4: into the movie. And I'm so happy. Our first date,

913
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 4: Michael and Kit's first date. He mentions Felicity is his

914
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 4: favorite show and all he knows about Felicity about the

915
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 4: show where the haircut almost got the show canceled, And

916
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 4: then I sort of give him groth about that. But

917
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 4: also at the end there is a clique from Felicity

918
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 4: and a very memorable point, and I'm so proud that

919
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 4: we got that in there and we were allowed to

920
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 4: use that because just personally, that show means so much

921
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 4: to me.

922
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's beautiful. It's just like a full circle moment

923
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: and hearing you talk about it now, I love it.

924
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: I love this. Thank you for sharing all of that.

925
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 4: Yes, oh my god, my pleasure.

926
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: Thanks for chatting with us. It's very good to see you.

927
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 4: It's good to see you too, both of you. This

928
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 4: feels like full circle.

929
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: This feels like yes, definitely.

930
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 2: That's the joy of doing this is like getting to

931
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: like reconnect and like talk about these things that we

932
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 2: all went through sort of together.

933
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: In this like crazy war text.

934
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: And now that we're all older, have lived life a

935
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 2: little longer, have.

936
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 4: Some of us some of us older than others.

937
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: Who's counting? Count the lines on my face?

938
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Speaker 3: Okay, not with that botox, Jenna, you know you're cutting

939
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 3: to a botoxe.

940
00:52:52,680 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: Oh god, Michael, thank you are being here with us.

941
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: This was wonderful. We are so appreciative of how trusted

942
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: you were in the Grey Circle. You were very trusted

943
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: and that's why we enjoyed being around you, sharing with you,

944
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: seeing you, reading your staff. You know, just you were

945
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: very important part and we are grateful.

946
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you for being a very small part of

947
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 4: this incredible experience that you both went through.

948
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: And if you would like to text me who your

949
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 2: sources were.

950
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 1: Ill never tell.

951
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 2: Tell Jenna, is your hundredth podcast? We've done it?

952
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 4: Oh? When is your two hundredths?

953
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: We got it.

954
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 4: That's probably maybe for the two hundredths, we'll do a

955
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 4: big reveal. That's all I'm saying.

956
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 2: Okay, we have you on the record.

957
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: Have you on the record. We have you on the.

958
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 4: Records making a false promise.

959
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: Its so good to see. Thank you so so.

960
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: Much, Thank you, take care, Thank you too.

961
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 2: Seriously though over this like holiday season spoiler alert, the

962
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 2: movie is also sort of a Christmas movie. Watch it.

963
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to watch it tonight.

964
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: Watch it tonight, Jenna. Yeah, it's great. Thank you Michael

965
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 2: so much for joining us. Yes, truly, and like for

966
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: just it's really I will never get over people coming

967
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: on here and like opening up and being so honest

968
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 2: and you know, talking about their perspectives in their lives,

969
00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 2: and it means a lot that they trust us and

970
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 2: share so much with us. Yeah, well, Vin, isn't it

971
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: weird interviewing the interviewer. Yes, very very it's nerve wracking,

972
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 2: like this person is very good at their job and

973
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 2: now we're doing their job to them.

974
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, they always end up interviewing us anyway,

975
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 1: So I'm like, my job is done. I'm just kidding.

976
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: That was a really No, that was really fun to

977
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: that was special feminis and yeah, it's really wonderful. So

978
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: thank you, Michael. Hope you guys enjoyed the episode. Join

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Speaker 1: us next week for another recap and guests and that's

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Speaker 1: what you're a miss.

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