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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 2: Relationship and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 2: a sibling.

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Speaker 3: Railvalry.

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Speaker 1: No, no, sibling, don't do that with your mouth.

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Speaker 4: Revelry.

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Speaker 1: That's good.

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Speaker 4: I am so excited because these guys were like babies, Oh.

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Speaker 2: My god, Bob.

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Speaker 5: I mean.

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Speaker 3: I spelled oh oh oh o m b o P.

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Speaker 3: I know, I like um bob. I've changed the lyrics

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Speaker 3: a little bit.

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Speaker 4: But they were like when I think it was going

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Speaker 4: on when you were already graduated from high school.

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Speaker 2: I mean they're ninety six or something.

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Speaker 1: I was graduating from high school.

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Speaker 2: You I was in college.

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Speaker 1: College.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's when they were like, you know, umbop was

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Speaker 4: like a big hit.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 3: I mean I made love to many women from Boulder

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Speaker 3: to umbob Oh why because that's what I would do

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Speaker 3: up because I would be like cut up bop bop bop.

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Speaker 2: That's like how I made love.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: By the way, you know, Uncle Mark I think might

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Speaker 4: have been a producer on that.

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Speaker 2: We need to ask that.

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Speaker 4: I think Uncle Mark either produced the album or I

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Speaker 4: don't know something.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's say they are they Hansen Connection? Here?

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Speaker 2: Are they ready? Are they here?

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Speaker 1: They're here?

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Speaker 2: Let's open let's open the door.

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Speaker 1: Oh looker, you guys are all together. I love it.

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Speaker 5: Ye are It's better worse?

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Speaker 2: So where are you?

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Speaker 5: We're in Oklahoma? Yeah, we're in our studio of h

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Speaker 5: Q kind of, I mean twenty years ago we kind

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Speaker 5: of get this space set up when we went independent,

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Speaker 5: started label, kind of brought more and more stuff in house.

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Speaker 2: And were you all living in Los Angeles and then

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Speaker 2: decided to move.

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Speaker 6: To or No, Tulsa's home, Tulsa's are you know where

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Speaker 6: we're from? Never never fully uprooted. We lived, We were

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Speaker 6: living in New.

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Speaker 5: York before we fully sort of returned to the Station Bay.

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Speaker 5: Now we've made a lot of records in LA and

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Speaker 5: that usually feels like you live there because you're there

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Speaker 5: long enough. Yeah, making this record, third record. Great to

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Speaker 5: meet you or see.

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Speaker 4: You to me you, Yeah, well, I feel like I

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Speaker 4: might have met you some.

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Speaker 5: One we've maybe, I'm sure we've. We have definitely cross paths.

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Speaker 5: And of course we we have a deep connection with

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Speaker 5: your uncle Mark, who yes.

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Speaker 4: That we were just trying all I was like, no,

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Speaker 4: he heduced, didn't he produce him?

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Speaker 1: Right with you guys?

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Speaker 7: So yeah, so Mark Hudson, your uncle produced milanerware this

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Speaker 7: time around, uh snowed in and finally it's Christmas with us. Also,

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Speaker 7: all four of those albums, he's he's been.

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Speaker 8: A good part, hindergoate, part of our our lives better

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Speaker 8: or worse better and most of the time and occasionally

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Speaker 8: there's some jokes in there.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. There he's nuts.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's a Hudson. He's a Hudson.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you know, how much should I

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Speaker 3: get into all the time actually just recently, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it just goes with the territory.

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Speaker 5: It we love it affection for that.

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Speaker 4: I was, I said to all, I'm like, there's you know,

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Speaker 4: there is a deep Hudson Hansen connection here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I've just recently connected with my sister and my

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Speaker 4: brother and like everyone's in music. I mean, we're just

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Speaker 4: I know, the Hudson thing is just I don't know

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Speaker 4: what it is, Sarah. Everyone writes, and there is kind

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Speaker 4: of this like through line of pop in our family.

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Speaker 4: It's like the husband's love a pop song.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I have a good sense of it. I like

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Speaker 5: about connection. We can go a little further and say

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Speaker 5: the Hudsons know how to create a great pop song.

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Speaker 5: It's not just like a lot of people like music.

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Speaker 5: People aren't very good at it.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: It's funny because on our on our podcast, the intro,

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Speaker 3: Uncle Mark wrote, and my god did real quick, real quick.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think I've even told the story ever.

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Speaker 3: In our podcast, our relationship with dad was our father

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Speaker 3: was a little bit strained, which means that we were

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Speaker 3: not seeing our uncles very much. We were at this

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Speaker 3: local diner that we always go to my family. This

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Speaker 3: dude comes up in a rainbow beard. I'm like, holy shit,

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Speaker 3: I think that's my fucking uncle.

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Speaker 5: He's like, oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's Uncle Mark. I'm like, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: Uncle Mark, and we're hugging. I'm like, I haven't seen

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Speaker 3: him in a thousand years. I'm like, where do you live?

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Speaker 3: Is between New York and LA. Where do you live

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Speaker 3: in La? He goes, I live in Brentwood. I said,

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Speaker 3: I live in Browood. I said, where do you live?

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Speaker 3: Where in Brewood?

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Speaker 2: He goes, I live in this place called I live

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Speaker 3: Baby Beebe, which is Morris Code and then he goes,

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Speaker 3: I live in the same place.

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Speaker 2: And then he I said, what street do you live on?

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Speaker 2: He goes, I live on Oh, he goes, I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Come visit me, come to my house.

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Speaker 5: I don't care. Uh.

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Speaker 3: Turns out my uncle lives two.

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Speaker 2: Hundred yards from me.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and I would run. I would run the neighborhood,

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Speaker 5: In my memory.

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Speaker 3: And he said the thing and it said what the

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Speaker 3: uncles used to say all the time. And I'd be like,

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Speaker 3: that is so crazy, it's familiar and not putting it together.

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Speaker 3: And then boom, he lives two hundred yards from me.

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, the universe has spoken. I love how

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Speaker 5: you said this guy walks up in a rainbow beard,

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Speaker 5: and that already anyone else you know has a rainbow beard?

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Speaker 5: You know, I know one guy with a rainbow beard.

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Speaker 5: It's Mark. That's it. Yeah, I might might be in

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Speaker 5: the world. I mean, there's very few. Only person I

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Speaker 5: color of his hair, right, yes, right.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So let's start. Now, you guys started how old

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Speaker 7: Okay, when we first released our first major record, I

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Speaker 7: was sixteen, Taylor was fourteen, and Zach was eleven. But

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Speaker 7: we started actually singing together and performing together and even

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Speaker 7: recorded stuff in that in that kind of first year

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Speaker 5: Was a eleven, Taylor was nine and Zach was six.

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Speaker 2: That's insane.

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Speaker 5: It's a family.

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Speaker 3: How did this happen? Like, let's let's go to even

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Speaker 3: further back. How did this even happen?

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Speaker 5: Nobody knows.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you guys have been around, and you know

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Speaker 6: obviously entertainment, music, creative stuff. It's hard to necessarily say

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Speaker 6: and like this is the moment, because to us it was. Yes,

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Speaker 6: there were definitely moments, but you're surrounded by a sense

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Speaker 6: of creativity. Another one of our parents were professionals in

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Speaker 6: the sense that they were earning them earning money as

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Speaker 5: They were some moments they kind of tried that a

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Speaker 5: little bit. I think the singing was in the DNA,

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Speaker 5: and I think the strange thing that we had We

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Speaker 5: told the story many times, but it's kind of an

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Speaker 5: took him outside of Latin America, Oklahoma, a lot of

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Speaker 5: He took his young family and here we are in

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Speaker 5: Latin America for a year, basically isolated for reality, like

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Speaker 5: anybody else, no peer, you know, we're not watching whatever's

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Speaker 5: of completely changed environment. Some cases kind of cool, some

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Speaker 6: Yeah, And and we had basically, our mom had basically

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Speaker 6: grabbed a few different things that were sort of you know,

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Speaker 5: One of them was this compilation of music from the

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Speaker 5: late fifties. It was a rock and roll album, to

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Speaker 6: We essentially had this sort of accidental immersion in sort

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Speaker 5: And it was Chuck Berry, it was what it was writing.

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Speaker 7: It was the Franklin and most importantly, it's two and

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Speaker 7: to write a good song, it's the condensed twelve.

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Speaker 5: Dollar boys, get the course.

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Speaker 7: Get to the chorus kind of version, and yeah, there's

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Speaker 7: some of them that are deeply sophisticated, but for the

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Speaker 7: most part, it's kind of like if you could condense

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Speaker 7: that's probably about as good as you're doing.

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Speaker 6: And kep talking about the connection to pop music, I

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Speaker 6: mean there is from that moment on. I mean that

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Speaker 6: the sort of Hanson connection with pop is that, you know,

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Speaker 6: when we say pop music, we're talking about pop writing,

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Speaker 6: like song hooks, creation right now, people, if you sort

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Speaker 6: of in the last thirty plus years, you know, whenever

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Speaker 6: someone talks about what's your favorite pop song, they associate production,

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Speaker 6: right Madonna or you know, something very slick. But we

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Speaker 6: It's it's sort of finding that essential.

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Speaker 5: Thing and it's We got into a fight with Uston

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Speaker 5: that was in the A list about what pop music

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Speaker 9: Oh really, Yeah, we were debating that pop that pop

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Speaker 9: songs were much broader.

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Speaker 1: I would love to know Ashton's point of view.

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Speaker 5: Probably just going to tell you that I almost broke

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Speaker 5: his leg and he wouldn't be lying accidentally pushed him

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Speaker 5: off of a riser. In the long history of getting

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Speaker 5: you got Rob Schneider. It's like, it's not intended physical violence.

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Speaker 5: It's just a drummer thing we've been taught sense of

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Speaker 5: young age. Hitting things is how you get the right

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Speaker 5: thing to happen, right, just you have to I just

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Speaker 5: you know, I'll just help me in no way, you know,

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Speaker 5: show you know, you're just being playful. Then you realize, oh,

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Speaker 5: you're not eleven anymore, you're eighteen, and people.

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Speaker 6: That that's really what it was is Zach had been

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Speaker 6: drumming and playing since we you know, since he was

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Speaker 5: Kid, and all of a sudden he get his burst

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Speaker 5: and he's this bigger human. We'd have to be like, Zach,

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Speaker 5: you can't push people like that. You heard them, it's

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Speaker 5: why so you're going to play chicken and climb on

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Speaker 5: haven't figured out that.

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Speaker 7: Well, Kate, Kate, I think what you're talking about too, is,

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Speaker 7: So I think what Linda is doing for you in

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Speaker 2: I have abandonment issues, so you know that hinders me.

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Speaker 5: I have fear of abandonment issues. You have a fear

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Speaker 6: I don't think I should give you some abandoned exactly.

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Speaker 5: It's not us like we haven't anywhere. Yeah, that's probably

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Speaker 5: But no, I think there's so many Honestly, there's so

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Speaker 5: At the same time. Crazy and so and so, what

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Speaker 5: going back to songwriting, honest, the greatest gift that we

442
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,320
Speaker 5: were given, I think was having been the authors, having

443
00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,320
Speaker 5: been the writers, having that when we were getting that

444
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 5: sort of what felt like to the world like a

445
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,679
Speaker 5: zero to sixty you know, you know jump, which it

446
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 5: was a huge jump, we were still talking about something

447
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 5: that was ours. It wasn't like some Svengali was like this,

448
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 5: what's gonna do kid, And that allowed us in a

449
00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 5: way to evolve from ourselves to the next ourselves right

450
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 5: to the next record. It wasn't now we're going to

451
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 5: be ourselves if as that happens. And frankly, I think

452
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,199
Speaker 5: the relationship with a lot of our fans. You know,

453
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 5: we have every record, every record, every song is a

454
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 5: high and a low. It's a roller coaster, it's a lot.

455
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 2: How old were you guys when that when when when

456
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 2: you hit it? When Bob came out?

457
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it was sixteen, fourteen and eleven.

458
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 3: So who was your who was your touchdown? Like, who

459
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,479
Speaker 3: was who looked after you? I mean, who was the

460
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 3: one who you guys could go to?

461
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,400
Speaker 5: We had our at that point, we our parents were

462
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 5: with us all the time, and they had our dad

463
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 5: had quit his job when we got our record deal.

464
00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 7: Well it's really once it was really I think right

465
00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 7: as it was getting released, he kind of said, okay,

466
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,400
Speaker 7: I'm because he had done and he'd kind of done

467
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,719
Speaker 7: remote work. He had a very good relationship with his

468
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 7: boss and was able to kind of keep and he's

469
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 7: also a very hard working person, so he was able

470
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 7: to do work while in California while we were making

471
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,479
Speaker 7: a record, and then and then he kind of made

472
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 7: that transition once it looked like the record was really

473
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 7: going to work.

474
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 5: He was like, I can't.

475
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 7: Yeah, I can't allow my kids to just be sent

476
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 7: off with you know, without supervision.

477
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 5: So he was kind of the primary, but our mom

478
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 5: was there old lot.

479
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 6: The combination, I mean, you have to go back to

480
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 6: I mean who we all, all of us are a

481
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 6: combination of two, you know at some level. And with

482
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 6: our what we had with our folks is our dad

483
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 6: is extremely dutiful, kind of a frustrated poet, uh but

484
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 6: learned to be an accountant and kind of be a

485
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 6: good provider dad guy, which she doesn't really like, but

486
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 6: it can just work through it. And our mom who

487
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 6: is just like we just uncagable bird like she is

488
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 6: like she cannot live in a box of any kind,

489
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 6: and she's incredibly gifted as a singer and chose really

490
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 6: to do one be a homemaker, to be a you know,

491
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 6: to not pursue a career.

492
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 5: Outside of that.

493
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 7: Although she had full she had a full ride to

494
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 7: North Texas and prestigious, prestige, incredible ye Like the band

495
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 7: Snarchy Puppy for example, was just this crazy great like

496
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 7: jazz funk. Yeah thing they you know, they're all North

497
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 7: Texas state guys. I mean, so it's a music school.

498
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, So so Mom's amazingly gifted a singer, but really

499
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 6: really committed to family. And so when when things started

500
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,959
Speaker 6: to happen, it was like we had this woman that

501
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 6: would basically walk up to anyone in any situation be like, yeah,

502
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 6: let's do this, and a dad that would be like

503
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 6: work ethic, you know, So to was kind of who

504
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 6: we are in a way.

505
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 5: It's like weirless, work ethic, Yeah, fearless.

506
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: How many siblings all together, we're.

507
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 5: The oldest three of seven, are four over them. I

508
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 5: think it's sort of an interesting thing. I think they

509
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 5: did the service to us, maybe more than we did

510
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 5: to them, in that we had this fairly large, close network. Right,

511
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 5: so everywhere we went, we traveled to the UK, or

512
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 5: to Japan or wherever, and for a long time, all

513
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 5: those siblings would come with us, right, they'd go on

514
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,880
Speaker 5: field trips to castles and things, and we'd be doing

515
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 5: radio tours and do radio shows. But when it came

516
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,479
Speaker 5: to that evening for dinner or you know, a board

517
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 5: game or a video game, you still had a little

518
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 5: brother there and a little sister and kind of this

519
00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 5: network of people where it seemed a little normal, but not.

520
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 3: Did they like traveling with you guys, or was the

521
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 3: resentment later in life of like, look, we had a

522
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 3: life too, you know what I mean, Like you guys

523
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 3: took over.

524
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 5: Shit podcast with our other SIPs. Yeah, they'll tell you

525
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 5: the truth. Those guys are tyrants. And I think it

526
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 5: was the hardest on our little brother. We have a

527
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 5: brother who is nine years younger than I am, and

528
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 5: he's actually a very talented musician and didn't really decide

529
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 5: to lean into music for a really long time because

530
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 5: he didn't know how to be a music person as

531
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 5: the brother of the music guys. I mean I joked

532
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 5: that Mac is like the favorite handsOn of anybody that

533
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 5: meets him. So yes, so mack Hanson is you know,

534
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 5: incredibly talented. But yeah, him being the other brother, so

535
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 5: you're much younger. Three other sisters, most of which are

536
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 5: not super outgoing, not super like front you know, I

537
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 5: want to be on stage. But Mac is like a

538
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 5: walking you know.

539
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 7: He's just stillboard of let's just let's just say your

540
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 7: uncle Mark and our brother Mac get along completely.

541
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 5: He doesn't have a rainbow beard, no, but he probably could.

542
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 5: He could, he could. I think the truth is you

543
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 5: just you don't know what your traumat what your traumas

544
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 5: are until later, I think, and I'm.

545
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 4: Sure we try not to use that word on our podcast.

546
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 9: Okay, I don't know what our challenges are intel against them,

547
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 9: but our negative social experience.

548
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 5: We our normal has been a little weird. And for

549
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 5: the most part, I think that the family, the brothers

550
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 5: and sisters, we really did have a a sort of

551
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 5: closeness that was not about any of the other stuff.

552
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 5: And that that's a big deal, that that was a

553
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 5: tie that binds.

554
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 4: Explain why you think that is now that you're older

555
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 4: and can reflect on it, Like you guys are young,

556
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 4: but you had an intimate see in a real brotherhood

557
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 4: that sounds like it.

558
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 1: You didn't have too much conflict.

559
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, And by the way, after answering that, like was

560
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: their conflict and whether when how did those egos sort

561
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 3: of clash?

562
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 5: You know? So I think there was conflicts like two

563
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 5: days ago, yeah, yeah, notably. So what I would say

564
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 5: is shared purpose I think is probably the biggest driving

565
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 5: factor between conflict and lack thereof. It's not a question

566
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 5: of whether there will be hard things to do. It's

567
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 5: a question of whether you're fighting over the direction or

568
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 5: the way that you're going to solve this hard thing.

569
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 5: And so for most of our life we had not

570
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 5: only the same direction, but the same bedroom and the

571
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 5: same house, and so it made it really easy to

572
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 5: stay on page. Like we always felt that it was

573
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 5: a gift to be able to make music. You're like,

574
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 5: where did this come from? It came so early in

575
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,199
Speaker 5: life a job, are you kidding? Right? And so, you know,

576
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 5: spiritual or not. Was a sense that we're like, wow,

577
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 5: this is a gift given to us. Let's do well

578
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 5: by it. And I think that really helped as you

579
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 5: come in conflict with producers or record executives or people

580
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 5: who want to, oh, you guys should make a TV

581
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 5: show and stop, you know you should be You'll be

582
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 5: the cute when you this and you go, no, no,

583
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 5: we're we're doing this together. We have this thing. We

584
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 5: don't know how we got it, and we just really

585
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 5: want to do it as good as we can.

586
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 6: Strong strongly felt that, I mean, and huge credits are

587
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 6: folks for that and instilling that. But I think this

588
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 6: spirit of just realizing i mean, gratitude is is just

589
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 6: baked in because we remember sort of right as things

590
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 6: started to take off, and people just feel like you

591
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 6: just woke up one day and we're famous, and we

592
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 6: felt like we've been working for twenty years because we

593
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 6: had five years like we're.

594
00:28:49,880 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 4: All you know, you write your own music, you had

595
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 4: to play your own instruments. And at the time, as

596
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 4: as someone who loved boy bands, do you know it was.

597
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: I'll always love a boy.

598
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 4: Band, okay, But as someone who like grew up in

599
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 4: that era, like it was usually they were put together

600
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 4: by management or by record labels. They didn't really play

601
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 4: their own instruments. It was kind of like you and

602
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 4: the Jonas Brothers right right, were the only ones who

603
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 4: knew how to play instrument and loved to write a song.

604
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 4: Did you find did you have what was your relationship

605
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 4: with Like, did you find that you guys were always

606
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 4: like was it you guys and the Jonas Brothers?

607
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: Was that sort of like.

608
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 7: Well they were after I think we've I think because

609
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 7: of what you just said, we have actually historically really

610
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 7: joked that. The trouble is, we always felt like we

611
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 7: were in a category of one. We never quite felt

612
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 7: like we had like we have more group.

613
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 5: We can't.

614
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 7: It's like we get more in common with Johnny Lang

615
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 7: and blues Traveler then we had with a lot of

616
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 7: that series and all those guys, it just wasn't even

617
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 7: the same, like like the conversation just didn't quite start.

618
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 6: We have more in common with Get our Friends, the Legends,

619
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 6: three Dog Night that played last night and the women

620
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 6: set in and it's like, this is a it's a music. Yeah,

621
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 6: music first, well, and just put that in context. Danny

622
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 6: Hutton is eighty two exactly.

623
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 5: You're common.

624
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: But hold on, hold on, I want to forget about

625
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: the forget about the music for a second.

626
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, because there's also that. There's also the sort

627
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 3: of the idolized. You know, how you guys were turned

628
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: into these teen idols you were on posters.

629
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys were.

630
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: The ship that way. So how did you manage that?

631
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 3: Did you lean into it? Did you hate it? You know,

632
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 3: I mean music aside. Did you want to be taken

633
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,239
Speaker 3: more seriously? Are you like, well we're more than that,

634
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: or we're like this is this is kind of rad.

635
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 5: I think it's it's an interesting thing. I think a

636
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 5: lot of times, so we were experiencing that so relatively early. Yeah,

637
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 5: because you were eleven, like right, crazyly helped. Yeah, it's like,

638
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 5: I think that really helped. Because an eleven year old

639
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 5: sees a girl go and he doesn't go like, man,

640
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 5: she's gonna hot, but you do anything I want? He

641
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 5: goes like it's wrong with you? Do you if there's

642
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 5: something attacking you? Like is there a reason you're screaming

643
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 5: and hysterically crying? This isn't cute. I'll be back to

644
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 5: the not the Xbox. I'll be back to the N

645
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 5: sixty four. Yeah, I think that none of it. We

646
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 5: were so close all the time that I think there

647
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 5: was mostly a need to behave well because you saw

648
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 5: that the other guy would go like, dude, yeah, what

649
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 5: are you doing? Yeah?

650
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 7: I eleven year old brothers would be real big tattle

651
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 7: tales if I was, if I was behaving.

652
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do think though it's you said music aside,

653
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 5: but but but you can't.

654
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 6: The truth is you really you can't fully answer that

655
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 6: question and put music aside because we had a really

656
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 6: strong ambition, Like I mean, let's just be real. You

657
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 6: don't even if you're blessed, even if you're gifted, which

658
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 6: we were and I have been had an amazing life,

659
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 6: to get to do what we do, you have to

660
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 6: want it like you've got to want to be there

661
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 6: because it does not work without that. I mean, you

662
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 6: gotta even pitching yourself. We were before we got signed

663
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 6: to that label. We were turned down by every label

664
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 6: that matters. We well, we just what we saw are

665
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 6: we have these heroes on our wall, which were not

666
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 6: our generation's heroes, but they are legends, like the Jackson Five,

667
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 6: like the Beach Boys, like the Beatles, like the Elvis,

668
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 6: like these and to us it was like yeah here,

669
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 6: like yes, I mean, you're trying to go. They were eighteen,

670
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 6: they were they were rock and almost built by teenagers,

671
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 6: not only by the fans, but by the musicians. I

672
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 6: mean it was Elvis was eighteen, the Beatles and these

673
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 6: guys are all I mean Stevie Wonder down the line.

674
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 6: And so we just had this ambition. So if you

675
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 6: gotta it's almost like, you know, the dog that's chasing

676
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 6: and gets the you know, catches the car, we're gonna

677
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 6: let it go.

678
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 5: Like there was a spirit of like I'm holding on

679
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 5: and so this especially this guy right here, so like

680
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,959
Speaker 5: I'm a dog, not dog chasing its tail, chasing a bone,

681
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 5: chasing a ball. He goes chasing a car. The thing

682
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 5: that will kill you. Yeah, yeah, he goes. And then

683
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 5: when I get it, I'm not letting go. I'm gonna

684
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 5: hold on. You go, bro, you're getting seventy miles an

685
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 5: hour and you're getting drug behind the bumper. You're winning

686
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 5: as you got it. So you're getting this dynamic. Is

687
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 5: that a coming out guys? It's just showing up. So

688
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 5: we were not we We didn't party. We were young guys.

689
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 5: We what we wanted was to be respected, and that

690
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 5: was our huge battle, I mean, our huge battle. Our

691
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 5: whole lives was Isaac's sort of allude to this feeling

692
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 5: like a category of one right to be a band, right,

693
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 5: We're not a not really a boy band. We're a

694
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 5: boy band in the sense that we're kids. We were

695
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 5: kids and in our fan base was the target demographic

696
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 5: of boy band, right, because we were the age of

697
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 5: those at least starting out mostly young women, right. And

698
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 5: and so we're like, how can we get out of

699
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 5: this category? How can we just talk about why we

700
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 5: wrote the song rather than like, who's screaming your personality?

701
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 5: Are you the still one?

702
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I'm the silly one. I'm eleven, right,

703
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 3: But you know, then you do. But then you dobop

704
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 3: and then it's like, Okay, that's fucking huge, and now

705
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: you have sort of stamped yourself as like okay, this

706
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 3: is it, and now the pressure.

707
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: To sort of recreate that or to have another hit like.

708
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 3: That, or it's like, well we want to do other

709
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: shit too, Well, how did that play out?

710
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 7: I think that that's actually the difference for us, that

711
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 7: this is a particular one that's really interesting. And I

712
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 7: don't know why we think of it this way, but

713
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 7: I think the primary thing is authorship. Ohm bop is

714
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 7: brave as hell, right if you just wire anyone else

715
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 7: other than us, no artist older than us would have

716
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 7: the bravery to do that, because they would be worried

717
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 7: about what other people thought, what other people, how people

718
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 7: were going to judge them. Interestingly, that's what the song

719
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 7: is about.

720
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 5: Oh yes, it's about it, right, So the.

721
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 3: Song is about break it down. I'm actually interested in that.

722
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 5: It's a tricky, weird thing where we took this very

723
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 5: sincere concept and this really catchy chorus and we smashed

724
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 5: them together. Well, remember back to the early story. We

725
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 5: were talking about who we grew up with.

726
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 6: We we wrote with some of our heroes have written

727
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 6: with our heroes, but our references were duop earlier rock

728
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 6: and roll, So songs like Barry Man's.

729
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 5: Who Put the Bop and the Bop the Ding Dong

730
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 5: do put the dip in the dip like these.

731
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: That are like the fact to do that, to figure

732
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: that out, I can do it.

733
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 6: These are the fabric of music. And so when we talk,

734
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 6: we the song I'm about basically start with two pieces.

735
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 6: It was a background part that we were working on

736
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 6: working on an early before that was, you know, a

737
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 6: record that was made by a major label. We had

738
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 6: another record and we were working on a background part

739
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 6: and we started saying and it was like, well, oh

740
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 6: that's kind of catchy where they come from.

741
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 5: That's too catchy. It took over it because him like

742
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 5: a forward part, so it went over to the side, right.

743
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 5: It was like, Okay, well that's a cool idea. Don't

744
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 5: forget that. And it would just hung around for like

745
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 5: two years. It'd be like morning brushing teeth.

746
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 7: And I remember saying, and I remember I kept pestering

747
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 7: Taylor and Zach about it.

748
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,959
Speaker 5: I'd be like, guys, guys, guys, this is a really

749
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 5: cool idea. This is really good I think did it

750
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 5: enough time.

751
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 6: It's a pesterer, yes, but he we we basically we

752
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 6: were just a garage band.

753
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 5: We were a living room band. We took over the

754
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 5: entire house when we were kids. They just we just

755
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 5: took over the living room. And so we'd gotten a

756
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 5: keyboard from a friend.

757
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 6: We'd learned to play a classical piano, so we were

758
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 6: kind of like had enough chops to play some stuff

759
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 6: to about.

760
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 5: The chagrin of our teacher. We'd stopped caring about actually

761
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 5: playing classical piano when we're writing songs. Isaac had a

762
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 5: little dinky, you know, plaunch op electric guitar and seventy

763
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 5: five dollars with the amp. One afternoon, I was sitting

764
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 5: sitting around playing over the few chords that I knew,

765
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 5: and part of what was going on in our life

766
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 5: this is this is old school, like, this is pre

767
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 5: anybody having any fame. We were already starting to like

768
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 5: turn what would be like a soccer game weekend for

769
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 5: most of our friends. And you guys, again, have grown

770
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 5: up in this entertainment business, so you understand the strangeness

771
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 5: that is the normal, like as well, like what might

772
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 5: be strange to one is normal to us like, sorry,

773
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 5: when you go to your birthday party. I got the

774
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 5: two shows this weekend, one outside of bar because it

775
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 5: can't play in the bar, the other ones in Kansas,

776
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 5: in somewhere.

777
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 6: That's what we were doing is we were beginning to

778
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 6: make a choice that was really natural, and it was

779
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 6: it was pretty great, but we were beginning to be

780
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 6: separated from people like we would. It was like our

781
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 6: relationship with friends were a little hot, and so rejection, Yeah,

782
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 6: like what's your problem? What are you doing? And so

783
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 6: started writing this very simple song, and the lyric was

784
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 6: you have so many relationships in this life, only one

785
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 6: or two will last. You go through all the paintings,

786
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 6: drives and you turn you back and the guard so fast.

787
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 6: And so it's like this kind of a campfire song, right,

788
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 6: but it has the same beat. And so then essentially

789
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 6: this chorus that had been kind of floating around, it's like, well, pair.

790
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 5: And then some bop They're gone. So yeah, yeah, I

791
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 5: would have been like eleven or twelve, Yeah, eleven, Yeah,

792
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 5: I mean I think what you're talking about is like,

793
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 5: in some ways we had to grow up really really

794
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 5: really fast, which is even at eleven, Taylor's thinking about

795
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 5: pain and strife and lost relationships because right now your problem, man,

796
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 5: it's wrong with you, which is part of the reason

797
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 5: why we're such weirdos. When we did we didn't party

798
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 5: that much. We didn't you know, we weren't that because

799
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 5: we were already bad.

800
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 4: My journal entries at like seven have the same male

801
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 4: problems that they do when I was in my thirties.

802
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 4: Like you could just mirror my like relationship to Josh

803
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 4: in third grade.

804
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, I always say that too, Like I

805
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: found a diary, a journal of mine from like nineteen

806
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: nine and mine year's resolutions, and it's now twenty twenty four.

807
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: Nothing's changed, and I haven't. I haven't achieved one fucking thing.

808
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: It's all the same resolution.

809
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 7: Yes, actually, well, and so this this is a really funny,

810
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 7: weird thing right where it's like, okay, so in some

811
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 7: sense or another, psychologically, you are a certain person no

812
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 7: matter what it's to show up.

813
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 5: The question is just.

814
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 7: Whether or not you can maneuver the world adequately that

815
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 7: it doesn't become a crutch a you don't rumble under

816
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 7: the pressure of your own insecurity. Yeah, I mean, well, look,

817
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 7: we I think also there's a spiritual component to it.

818
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 7: You can't you can't avoid this. Are our folks were.

819
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 5: Very spiritually oriented, people grew up in you know, in

820
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 5: church and all that stuff, and so they'd say to us, look,

821
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 5: this is a gift from God that you have to

822
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 5: that you have to take good care of and.

823
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 7: Also remember be grateful for it. But also very importantly,

824
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 7: you can gain the whole world and lose your soul.

825
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 7: Don't lose your soul.

826
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 5: Whatever. We will be here and help you make decisions

827
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 5: as best as we can. And we may make bad decisions,

828
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 5: but here's the thing, they'll be your decisions, and we'll

829
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 5: make sure that what you feel good about is what

830
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 5: we will make sure that other people kind of follow

831
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 5: through on, and we will explain things, and we will

832
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 5: let you. You will be in the meetings as often

833
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 5: as possible, you will be on the phone calls as

834
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 5: often as possible. But nobody is going to make you

835
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 5: do something that's going to violate your conscience.

836
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 3: And you guys, are so lucky, Like you had an

837
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: incredible upbringing, You had incredible parents to really put things

838
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 3: into perspective, you know what I mean, Like it's so easy,

839
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 3: It would have been so easy for you guys to

840
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 3: get all fucked up with fame and girls and all

841
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 3: this stuff. You know, I love what you said though

842
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 3: you were so young that it was almost prior to

843
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 3: feeling all of these things. Yeah, but still at the

844
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 3: same time, I mean, what an amazing perspective that you

845
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 3: guys had instilled into you.

846
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're very, very lucky in that way.

847
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 4: And yeah, I always think that when you have a

848
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 4: really good childhood, you actually kind of emulate the same thing.

849
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: Like we we grew up.

850
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 4: There's four of us, like we all have a lot

851
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 4: of kids. It's a big family. Like big family environment

852
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 4: is what we are. Like I'm I'm looking around and

853
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 4: like I've got my everybody's here at our house over

854
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 4: eastern like gather. And there's something about that unit. And

855
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 4: I think at the core of it is spiritual spirituality.

856
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 4: Some people it's in a church. Some it's a different

857
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 4: kind of connection to spirituality.

858
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 5: Absolutely, but like.

859
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 4: Family, that strong family unit is so powerful in keeping

860
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 4: keeping people together and connected.

861
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: And so you guys have like set like how many

862
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: kids are there between?

863
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 6: Oh, so we did replicate that. Actually I'm the one

864
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 6: that tips to skir I have seven and Zach has five. Children,

865
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 6: and Isaac, I have three.

866
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 5: I feel really inadequate in this.

867
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: Isaac, what are you doing it?

868
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: Man?

869
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 5: I'm blowing it. Yeah, I only have three. I said

870
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 5: that to my wife. We have five kids, I said,

871
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 5: you know, and Isaac and Nikki, you know, they've got

872
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 5: three kids are kind of like a you know, small

873
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 5: it's a good medium family. And she goes, what is

874
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 5: wrong with you? Where I grew up, if you had

875
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 5: two kids, that was a bigger family. Three kids was

876
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 5: was practically Mormon. And you know, like I think practically

877
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 5: Mormon is another show.

878
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 4: You know, how many grandparents, I mean, how many grandchildren

879
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 4: do your parents have?

880
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:53,919
Speaker 5: Twenty five? Yeah, I think all three of us are done.

881
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 5: But but our younger siblings are still going. I think

882
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 5: they could hit thirty. Yeah, all three little sisters. All

883
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 5: our youngest sister's husband has his has his way. Well,

884
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 5: tell he.

885
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: Loves her a lot.

886
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 3: Well, now that we get to the end, I'm just

887
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: wondering what you guys are up to, Like, what's what's

888
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 3: the plan?

889
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 4: What are you doing?

890
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: Are you writing? You performing? You out there? What's happening everything?

891
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a little bit of all all those things.

892
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 6: I mean, one of the fast forward is, you know,

893
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 6: part of why we're here today is because we you know,

894
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 6: we made some choices along the way. I think to

895
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 6: think long term and think about where you wanted to

896
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 6: be thirty plus years and nobody's got it perfect. But

897
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 6: we you know, claimed our independence left Universal after second

898
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 6: record and sort of said, hey, we you know, we

899
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 6: have this great thing, but we're in a label that

900
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,479
Speaker 6: has is just a corporation that doesn't really know what's next.

901
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 5: And that came and getting absorbed into a deal and

902
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 5: people finding us being in charge just a big corporate

903
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 5: kind of mess.

904
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 6: And anyway, so we've been independent, started on Label twenty

905
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 6: years ago, and that relationship with fans, just really building

906
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 6: something from the inside out, like building relationship with your audience.

907
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 5: Working on shows, working on shows later guys, I would say,

908
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 5: Taylor didn't say anything yet. Working on that's that's normally

909
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 5: my job.

910
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, So we're we're working on shows for later in

911
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 7: the year. We haven't announced them yet, but there's definitely

912
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 7: some shows that are being booked that'll be really fun.

913
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 7: We're celebrating the anniversary of our of our third record,

914
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 7: which is called Underneath, and we're going to put together

915
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 7: a cool thing with that.

916
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 5: So some new recordings, some songs that haven't been released

917
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 5: to the public. It'll be coming out later in the year.

918
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 5: The song in Me, which is the first single from

919
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 5: that record, which you know, we're going to do something

920
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 5: special with that. Yeah.

921
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: Did you guys end up were you able to? Do

922
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: you own your masters from your earlier records?

923
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, so we own all our masters from our third

924
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 5: album on and then everything reverts when I turned forty five. Yeah. Yeah,

925
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 5: So so that's something that a lot of artists, I

926
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 5: don't know if they're you know, they don't think about

927
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 5: that future. And when you get a chance to renegotiate

928
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 5: your contract, negotiate your masters.

929
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 7: To exactly make sure that the perpetuity is not in

930
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 7: any part of the legal language.

931
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 4: I feel like, I feel like that's the one thing

932
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 4: people don't understand about the music industry.

933
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: It's there's so much to.

934
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 4: It and for people that are hungry and just want

935
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 4: to like get in it, do it? Do you end

936
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 4: up giving so much away? And in order to make

937
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 4: money in the music industry.

938
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: It's really hard.

939
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, incredibly Yeah, Like you.

940
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 4: Know, it's it's expensive. I mean, everything you do is expensive,

941
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 4: and it's still to pay to play. I mean, if

942
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 4: you're still to get an album or a single out

943
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 4: there that that has a lot of plays, like, you

944
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 4: need to be putting a lot of money behind it.

945
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 4: And you it's like you either have to have something

946
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 4: go viral on TikTok or you need to putting millions

947
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 4: of dollars behind a song to get it played the

948
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 4: way a lot of the top songs are getting played.

949
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 5: It's an in business, right. You put in pennies and

950
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 5: over long, long, long time, and if you're lucky, those

951
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 5: grow and grow and compound and grow. I mean, our fans.

952
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 5: The craziest thing about our fans now is to see

953
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 5: the multi generational nature of it. Right, the fans who've

954
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 5: been with us since they were twelve bringing their twelve

955
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 5: year olds with them right the shows. You're like, we

956
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 5: doubled our fan base. Yeah, yeah, you literally multiplied.

957
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: I've got an idea. I've got a I've got a

958
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 2: viral idea. You might have already thought about this.

959
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 3: I say we do bop acoustic and make it really melancholy,

960
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Really, I'm telling you, like

961
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 3: it's like just acoustic monos. You know, really lean into

962
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 3: I'd like to hear that acoustic version. If you'll do

963
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 3: it with us, we'll do it.

964
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 2: Pipes, you already have it.

965
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 5: You already had some Hudson fusion handsome, I've got pipes.

966
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: I've got pipes.

967
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 5: Let's go, I believe.

968
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 4: Let's do a rapid fire because we love this and

969
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 4: they usually take longer than really rapid fires are.

970
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: What's the first word that comes to mind when you

971
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: think of let's say, Zach, Oh.

972
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 5: Gosh, first word, I just thought sugar. I thought, I

973
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 5: thought actually intense, intense, intense sugar, intense sugar.

974
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: Those two things go.

975
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 5: Basically mountain dew is basically what we just said, like

976
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 5: a walking.

977
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, Zach, you are drummers. That does me.

978
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 5: I did.

979
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 4: That's because my son, my son's a drummer. My middle,

980
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 4: the middle is a drummer, and he's intense and sugar.

981
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm so sorry, and I love him. He's actually

982
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 7: very sweet in a lot of ways. I think some

983
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 7: of your intensity comes from being kind of living in a.

984
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 5: Dress world, psychologically guarded exactly, Okay.

985
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: And there are some generalizations about drummers that are altrue.

986
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 5: Yes, everything the guys who hang out, all of them.

987
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: Anyone who has ever been in.

988
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 3: A band knows, Yeah, yes, I'm at this. Who could

989
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 3: benefit from therapy the most?

990
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 5: Zach like that, you just won't go. He's got it sorted,

991
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 5: He's fine.

992
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: Okay, you could go to therapy the most.

993
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 5: I mean, I would like to administer it.

994
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: I love Taylor. One word to describe Taylor for me

995
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: to do.

996
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 5: They're good. I'm gonna see if they're trying to be kind, brave, brave?

997
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 5: All right, brave, Yeah, let's see. Uh gosh, what don't

998
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 5: don't think? You don't think?

999
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 7: No, I know, I know.

1000
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 5: Well, I was going to say a similar word. You're

1001
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 5: gonna say dangerous, weren't you No, I was gonna say, well,

1002
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 5: I that was my second word, dangerous. Yeah, I was

1003
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:08,320
Speaker 5: gonna seek adventure actually correct word. I'm in. I proved

1004
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 5: I approved this message, Okay, Isaac loves.

1005
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: That.

1006
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 5: I tried to think of a second word. That was

1007
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 5: the first word that came to the bottom line. Honestly,

1008
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 5: Isaac is, I was gonna. I was looking for what

1009
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 5: the first actual war came to mind was relationships. Isaac

1010
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 5: is if Isaac is a people person that I guess

1011
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 5: a guy who is is amazing wingman, like the guy

1012
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 5: that's going to be like, Okay, what are we doing?

1013
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 5: What's happening?

1014
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 6: So And I mean that in the best way, like

1015
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 6: that's I mean, honestly, part of being a band for

1016
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 6: a lifetime is in brothers the whole thing. I mean,

1017
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 6: it's like a it's like a you know, possible explosion

1018
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 6: at every moment. But it's the combination of not being

1019
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 6: the same that allows it to be a thing. Like bands,

1020
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 6: you can't have three drummers at the same time.

1021
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 5: You can't. Everybody's got their kind of laying in a way,

1022
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 5: I think, and there's a fine line between being helpful

1023
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 5: and being really needy, you know, just trying hard to

1024
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 5: find that ballance. I was gonna say, on the wing,

1025
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 5: like someone on the wing he is William Shatner.

1026
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: Okay, who is the cleanest?

1027
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 5: Probably yeah, Zach, I feel bad about saying myself, but yes,

1028
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 5: definitely the cleanest. I mean, I'm the I'm the things

1029
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 5: are well taken. That's much more neat, but they're they're

1030
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 5: more in a pile. Don't let that fool you. Like

1031
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 5: everything looks like it's on a bookshelf. And is excise

1032
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 5: office below us. There are boxes and piles and things.

1033
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 5: My stuff is most likely to be like I throw

1034
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 5: away the trash and I know where the things are,

1035
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 5: not the one that they come to when they go, hey,

1036
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 5: I'm missing this thing? Did you throw it away? I'm like, sorry,

1037
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 5: priceless on the ground.

1038
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: Who is it? Who's the dirtiest, Who's the dirtiest? Who

1039
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: will go the longest without taking a shower on the road? Oh?

1040
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 5: Definitely me. Yeah, he's the kind of guy that thinks

1041
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 5: turning his T shirt inside out makes it clean again.

1042
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: All right?

1043
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 2: Well what about what about first celebrity crush?

1044
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, what what's the actress from Air Force

1045
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 5: one like that? That's the Are you serious? Like little princess? Yeah,

1046
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 5: little princess And I don't know her name. I can't

1047
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 5: think of her name right now.

1048
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: With Harrison Ford.

1049
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, with Harrison for I love Firstcribe. I think everybody's

1050
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 5: got a man crush on Arison Ford.

1051
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure.

1052
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 5: Okay that or I mean Cindy Crawford. We're up, Cindy Crawford,

1053
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 5: the generation come on Pepsi commercial and ends over.

1054
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 7: Stop you know, but that was I'm gonna I'm not

1055
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 7: gonna lie. That was the moment I was like, why God,

1056
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 7: And I'm not twelve years older? If I was so,

1057
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 7: if I would have been like twenty eight, I met

1058
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 7: Cindy Crawford's.

1059
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, who's the favorite?

1060
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 5: Who's It depends on who you're talking.

1061
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: To, really, Mom and Dad's favorite.

1062
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 6: I would say, Isaac, I always get throw this child

1063
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 6: on this one. There's something about the first one they get.

1064
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 6: They're the only one that gets one right, and everybody

1065
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 6: else is kind of divided between that, and they don't

1066
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 6: mean to, but they you know, it just did.

1067
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 5: Is I Actually?

1068
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 2: So, Who's is Zach the most conceited?

1069
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 5: Is your mother?

1070
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 2: Are you the most full of yourself?

1071
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 5: They come to me regularly? Is that got your help?

1072
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 5: He needs your help?

1073
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 7: In fairness, you are the most dutiful, most reliable brother

1074
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 7: in those ways.

1075
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, here's the thing. You're going to rob a bank. Yes,

1076
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 4: some one's going to actually go in and rob it.

1077
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 4: One's going to drive the getaway car. And then there's

1078
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 4: one in the van that's like got the earwag in

1079
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 4: and telling everybody what to do.

1080
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 5: Oh that's Erica. I'm definitely going into the bank. Zak

1081
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 5: is definitely driving the car and Isaac is earwigging the crap.

1082
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 11: I got it, like I'm listening to the shatterer. There's

1083
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 11: no talk, you got. He's got his hand on the stick.

1084
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 11: I'm the one that they sent in with the rifle

1085
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 11: and showered.

1086
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 5: I'm gonna done.

1087
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: Showered.

1088
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, guy with a gun. Zach's got his hand. It's done.

1089
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 5: But he's our cold call guy, right, he's our cold

1090
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 5: call guy. So when you walk in and you don't

1091
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Speaker 5: know the teller, you don't know what's going on. He's

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Speaker 5: just gonna go on there. He's gonna come back with

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Speaker 5: some green backs.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 7: No, no, But here's a really really important part about

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Speaker 7: you guys agree with that at all? Is that a

1097
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,879
Speaker 7: really important caveat to that idea about about me being

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00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:43,919
Speaker 7: the guy in the ear wig?

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Speaker 5: So I'm going guys, I don't think it's a guy.

1100
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Speaker 5: She didn't think about it enough, Taylor, you did not aboard. Amazing.

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00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 5: He didn't make it in heat. If he was cast

1102
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 5: in heat, he definitely great. Did you say he was

1103
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 5: in heat? Heat? Yeah?

1104
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Speaker 2: Congrats, this is the best.

1105
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,439
Speaker 1: This was so much fun.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I mean we could talk forever, but I have to

1108
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: I have to jump m hmm.

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00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 4: But this has been so great and I'm it's so

1110
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 4: nice to finally talk to you because I do know

1111
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 4: you know Uncle Mark, of course, and I know to

1112
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 4: get to know you. It makes total sense as to

1113
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 4: why you you chose.

1114
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I told that it all makes sense. Yeah,

1115
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Speaker 2: you love love.

1116
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Speaker 5: Getting me to me you guys and really enjoyed me

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Speaker 5: on the show.

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Speaker 7: I know that this is kind of a similar thing.

1119
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 7: But back in the day almost famous, of course, so important.

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Speaker 7: One of the best music movies ever made. There are

1121
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 7: very few music movies that are made well because most

1122
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 7: of them completely miss it.

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Speaker 5: They captured the spirit. It captures the spirit of the

1124
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 5: earnestness and the kind of vulnerability that actually exists in

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Speaker 5: the real world of making music. More often than not,

1126
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 5: music movies are all about the sex, the drugs in

1127
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 5: the rock and roll, and they missed the people all together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what is it?

1129
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: What is it to love music?

1130
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, it's.

1131
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 3: No, it's no Purple Rain, but it's by the way

1132
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 3: Purple Rain. I went to the when Purple Wine was

1133
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 3: re released in the theater. I just got super blazed

1134
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 3: and went by myself and watched Purple.

1135
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 2: Rain and oh my god, I was dancing and singing

1136
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:44,120
Speaker 2: like it.

1137
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 4: Was when Allie, when Allie got super blazed and watched

1138
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 4: Almost Famous.

1139
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 1: It sends him right into therapy.

1140
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Kate's boobs were out.

1141
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 5: To mention, it was another dimension of now.

1142
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for saying that. That's like such.

1143
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 4: That was such a huge part of my whole life.

1144
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 4: That movie, you know, and honestly, everyone in there, like

1145
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:09,439
Speaker 4: so many of us.

1146
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: Like really got I feel I got the parts because

1147
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 1: we just love music so much, you know, and.

1148
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 6: Well, and it shows and it shows well for all

1149
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 6: the musicians out there. I mean I can almost not

1150
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 6: watch music movies. Most of them get it so wrong.

1151
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 6: And and I was talking to my kids about this

1152
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 6: last night, just the storytelling what they get. I believe

1153
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 6: one of the things that the music movies get wrong

1154
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 6: is they they try and they try and make everything big,

1155
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 6: when in fact, what's happening with music. It's all going

1156
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 6: on up here, and it's going on your film first,

1157
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 6: and so you've got to get in there and watch.

1158
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 5: It right, and nobody knows. Nobody's It's not like I

1159
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 5: had this lyric Idea guys. It goes like that, it's

1160
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 5: it's happening, and so Cameron understood that and he captured it.

1161
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: But it also takes outside this sort of like what

1162
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: the outside sees.

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Speaker 4: It's like, at the end of the day, it's all

1164
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 4: about the relationships you're making and in that world, you know, well.

1165
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 3: It's so the perspective. It's through the eyes of and

1166
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 3: so that was was genius about it. It's through the

1167
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 3: eyes of this boy you know, who is now on

1168
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 3: tour writing an article about this iconic potentially iconic band,

1169
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

1170
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Speaker 1: So, and it hit and it hit those like funny

1171
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: kind of stereotypes in a way that was just so

1172
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: perfectly it's actually real.

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Speaker 4: Jathan Lee is like talking backstage, It's like, oh, I

1174
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 4: just it's just if I could give if someone could

1175
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 4: give me, you know, ten dollars.

1176
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: Every time I've seen something like that, oh.

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Speaker 5: The self important exercise.

1178
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 4: And it's innocent, there's an innocence to it. But you

1179
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 4: need to have a little bit of that to be

1180
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 4: that kind of lead singer. You know.

1181
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 5: It's like oh yeah, oh yeah, all the things. It's

1182
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 5: a great movie. It's great.

1183
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: All right, Well, listen, I gotta go. You guys are

1184
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:54,439
Speaker 1: the best.

1185
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 5: Thanks so much.

1186
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Speaker 2: Guys, good chatting, Guys, good chatting.