1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: stories we're following today. 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 3: We begin in Asia, where stocks surged overnight. China's CSI 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 3: three hundred rows nearly three percent. The Hangsing and Hong 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 3: Kong climbed four percent. The catalyst China's Politbureau signaling more 7 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 3: support for the economy. Bloomberg Daybreak Asia anchor Brian Curtis 8 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 3: as more from Hong Kong. 9 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 4: Policymakers are admitting that the recovery has sputtered because of 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 4: weak confidence. Confidence was mentioned multiple times. The Politburo statement 11 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 4: focuses on boosting consumption, helping private business, and carving out 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 4: a more supportive stance on the property sector. The cumulative 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 4: weight of so many policies is not lost on investors, 14 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 4: from rate cuts to triple our cuts, action to boost 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 4: household spending, construction, cars, tech, and more. But the key 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 4: now will be the actual measures to implement the broader 17 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 4: policy that's still to come. In Hong Kong and Curtis 18 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 4: Bloomberg day. 19 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: Break, Hi, Brian, thanks well. Markets are applauding the stimulus 20 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: from China. Now, the question is when we'll see these 21 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 2: measures take effect. From that, we turn to Bloombergy China 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: Economy editor Jill Deesis. 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 5: I would expect that you're going to start seeing this 24 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 5: over the course of the next few weeks and months. 25 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 5: Remember this is a mid year review meeting. This is 26 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 5: the paullup Bura meeting every year where they traditionally set 27 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 5: the course for economic agenda not just for the next month, 28 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 5: but for the next six months. So I think that 29 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 5: you know what that means from what we've been hearing 30 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 5: from economists is maybe you see some cuts in policy 31 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 5: interest rates toward the end of the year. 32 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 2: In Bloombery, Stale desis as the offshore you want is 33 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,479 Speaker 2: stronger following the news, is currently trading at around seven 34 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: point one four per dollar. 35 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 3: Well back here in the US, Karen, we are laser 36 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 3: focused on earnings today. Nearly three dozen companies in the 37 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: S and P five hundred it'll be reporting, including Microsoft 38 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 3: and Google. We get more on the outlook for Microsoft 39 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: from Bloomberg's Tom Busby. 40 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 6: Despite its thirty billion dollar investment in artificial intelligence pioneer 41 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 6: Open AI, sales growth at Microsoft is expected to remain 42 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 6: below ten percent for last quarter. A midwekening demand for 43 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 6: its cloud computing services after years of runaway growth. Still, 44 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 6: analysts expect to see adjusted earnings of two dollars fifty 45 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 6: five cents a share, that would be a fourteen percent 46 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 6: jump over the same period a year ago, and revenues 47 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 6: of fifty five and a half billion dollars. Tom Busby 48 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 6: Bloomberg Day Break, All right. 49 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: Tom, thanks, well, whon't we wait for Microsoft's earnings. The 50 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: corporate world remains a buzz over elon Mus's decision to 51 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: say bye Bye Birdie. As Bloomberg John Tucker reports, the 52 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: new rebranding of Twitter could cost the company billions. 53 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 7: Analysts and brand agencies tell Bloomberg elon mus move to 54 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 7: turn Twitter into Acts wiped out anywhere between four billion 55 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 7: and twenty billion dollars in brand value. The call it 56 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 7: a mistake, they say, is an understatement. Alan Adamson, the 57 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 7: co founder of the marketing at brand consulting group Metaphors, 58 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 7: calls the move completely irrational from a business and brand 59 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 7: point of view. In the way of an explanation, must 60 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 7: tweeted or axed yesterday that the move is not simply 61 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 7: a company renaming itself. It's remaking the business into a 62 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 7: broad platform for communications and financial transactions in New York Ime. 63 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 7: John Tucker, Bloomberg Daybreak. 64 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 3: Thanks John. Outside of earnings, it's all about the Fed 65 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 3: this week. We are one day away from the Central 66 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: Bank's next policy decision, when it is expected to hike 67 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 3: rates by another quarter percent. Higher rates mean bigger earnings 68 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 3: for banks like City Group. We spoke with Citigroup Institutional 69 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: Clients Group CEO Paco Ebarra. 70 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 8: Rates is a positive part of the story because we 71 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 8: have to remember that we've had many years with zero rates, 72 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 8: with rates almost debt. You know, very little uncertainty about 73 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 8: the race we're going to do, and we have now 74 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 8: a comeback of the race business. 75 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,119 Speaker 3: That's the good news for big banks. On the flip side, 76 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: City Group's poco Ebara says new capital requirements that regulators 77 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: will propose this week could hinder the bank's ability to 78 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 3: trade certain products. 79 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: Well, Nathan, we're getting more detail else about JP Morgan 80 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: Chase and its alleged ties to disgrace financier Jeffrey Epstein. 81 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: The US Virgin Islands has filed documents in its lawsuit 82 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: against the bank. They show then CEO Sandy Warner told 83 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: Jess Staley in two thousand he should meet with Epstein, 84 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: calling him quote one of the most connected people I know. 85 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: The Virgin Islands is seeking at least one hundred and 86 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: ninety million dollars from JP Morgan in its lawsuit accusing 87 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 2: the bank of enabling Epstein's sex trafficking. The bank argues 88 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 2: the Virgin Islands turned a blind eye on his crimes 89 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: and organized visas for his victims. 90 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 3: Well Karen, another top name in finance's facing pressure from 91 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 3: Capitol Hill over his ties to Epstein. Leon Black of 92 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 3: Apollo Global Management is under investigation at the Senate Finance Committee. 93 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 3: It's over one hundred and fifty eight million dollars in 94 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: payments to Epstein for advice on a state planning taxes 95 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 3: and running his family office. Lawmakers want to know whether 96 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 3: that money amounts to gifts that Black now owes taxes 97 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 3: on and politics. 98 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: This morning, Nathan, there's word of another shake up in 99 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: the presidential ca campaign of Rohn DeSantis, sources Town Bloomberg, 100 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 2: The Florida governor is making a change in leadership after 101 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: pressure from donors and supporters. DeSantis is elevating digital director 102 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 2: Ethan Elion to deputy campaign manager. That's as the presidential 103 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,239 Speaker 2: hopeful becomes increasingly frustrated by his campaigns spending under current 104 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: campaign manager Kinera Peck. 105 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: Where told. 106 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: Peck's position is being questioned as the campaign enters a 107 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 2: critical stretch ahead of the first Republican primary debate next month. 108 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 3: Time now to take a look at some of the 109 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 3: other stories making news in New York and around the 110 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 3: world with Bloomberg's Michael Bark and Bonnie Michael. 111 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 9: Good morning, Nathan. We're learning more about the case of 112 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 9: suspected Long Island serial killer Rex Huerman. The bodies of victims, 113 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 9: all women, were found more than a decade ago on 114 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 9: Gilgol Beach. The search has intensified at Huerman's home. Suffolk 115 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 9: County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison clarified what was found inside. 116 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 10: There's not a soundproof film. There is a vault where 117 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 10: he secured numerous amount of guns. Somehow, I believe that 118 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 10: the sound performing the vaults that message got miscushrewed, But 119 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 10: there is a vault. 120 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 9: An excavator has been digging through Hureerman's backyard. The record 121 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 9: smashing heat wave across the US continues today. Phoenix, Arizona 122 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 9: is expected to see its twenty sixth consecutive day of 123 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 9: one hundred ten degrees or hutter and the pavement itself 124 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 9: is causing a spike in contact burns. Doctor Kevin Foster 125 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 9: is the director of the Arizona Burn Center at Valley 126 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 9: Wise Help. 127 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 11: Most people don't realize that the pavement, concrete, cement sidewalks rocks. 128 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 11: The temperature of those surfaces can get to be one 129 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 11: hundred and seventy to one hundred and eighty degrees, which 130 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 11: is just a little bit below the boiling temperature of water, 131 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 11: so it only takes a fraction of a second to 132 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 11: get a really bad burn. 133 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 9: Meanwhile, experts say water temperatures in the nineties off Florida 134 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 9: could fuel stronger hurricanes this year. New York City Mayor 135 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 9: Eric Adams is cracking down on on sidewalk scaffolding. Some 136 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 9: have been ie sores for too long. Adams announced the 137 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 9: Get Sheds Down Plan. 138 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 12: Whilest ibo sheds were created to protect New Yorkers now 139 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 12: have become unsafe constructions and it is, as we stated, 140 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 12: a safe haven for criminal behavior. 141 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 9: There are about eighty nine hundred active sheds in New 142 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 9: York City that have been up, averaging four hundred eighty 143 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 9: days and some more than ten years. President Joe Biden 144 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 9: is expected to sign a proclamation today that establishes a 145 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 9: national monument honoring Emmett Till. He was the black teenager 146 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 9: from Chicago whose abduction, torture, and killing in Mississippi in 147 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 9: nineteen fifty five helped propel the civil rights movement. The 148 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 9: White House proposed a set of rules today to improve 149 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 9: insurance coverage for mental health conditions. It's part of a 150 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 9: broader plan to fight rising rates of anxiety, depression, and 151 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 9: other ailments. Global News twenty four hours a day, powered 152 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 9: by more than twenty seven hundred journalists and lists in 153 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 9: over one hundred and twenty countries. I'm Michael Barr. This 154 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 9: is Bloomberg NAGGA. 155 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 7: Thank you, Michael. 156 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 3: Time out for the Bloomberg Sports update. Here's John Stashout. 157 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: Thanks Nathan. 158 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 13: Mets and Yankees split a couple of one run games 159 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 13: last month at City Field. Now they play a two 160 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 13: game Subway series at the stadium with tonight, Justin Verlander 161 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 13: facing Domingo Herman. Verlander comes off his best outing against 162 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 13: the White Sox. He went eight innings, allowed only one run, 163 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 13: three hits. Herman had that perfect game a few weeks ago. 164 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 13: Last time out at the Angels, he gave up five runs. 165 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 13: The two teams the Yanks are chasing for a wildcard 166 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 13: spot both won last night Toronto in eleven innings over 167 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 13: the Dodgers. Houston in a wild one over Texas ten 168 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 13: to nine. The Yanks trail the Blue Jays by two 169 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 13: and a half games and the Astros by three and 170 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 13: a half. The Orioles one again, three two at Philadelphia. 171 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 13: The Yankees are in Baltimore this weekend. The Orioles have 172 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 13: won thirteen of their last sixteen. They lead the Al 173 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 13: East by two and a half over Tampa Bay. It 174 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 13: has to say the LEAs been a rough summer at Northwestern. 175 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 13: Allegations of hazing on the football team bullying on. 176 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 9: The baseball team. 177 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 13: Both coaches have been fired, and now a former volleyball 178 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 13: player has filed a lawsuit charging hazing and racism, and 179 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 13: another former football player is suing and Lloyd Yates is 180 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 13: the first to go public. 181 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 14: We were all victims, no matter what our role was 182 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 14: at the time, but the culture was so strong there 183 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 14: we felt we had to go with it to survive, 184 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 14: to be respected, and to earn the trust within the 185 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 14: football program. 186 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,599 Speaker 13: Yeah was a quarterback from twenty fifteen to seventeen. I 187 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 13: blow out of the Buffalo Bills that were counting on 188 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 13: Nahim Hines to be a big part of their offense 189 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 13: and special teams. He had a game last season where 190 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 13: he ran two kickoffs back for touchdown, but heinz Will 191 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 13: missed the season do an injury suffered as a jet 192 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 13: ski accident. The NFL has to spend another player for gambling, 193 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 13: bringing the total number this offseason to ten. John Stashchetwar 194 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 13: Bloomberg Sports. 195 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 15: From coast to coast, from New York to ten Boston 196 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 15: to Washington, DC, nationwide on Syrias Exam, the Bloomberg Business app, 197 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 15: and Bloomberg dot Com. This is Bloomberg Daybreak. Good morning, 198 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 15: I'm Nathan Hager. What's next for the US property sector? 199 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 3: Starwood Capitol Group Chairman Barry Sternlick says, between work from home, 200 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 3: low mortgage rates, and other post pandemic phenomena, there is 201 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 3: a lot of uncertainty and distress. Sternlock sat down on 202 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 3: the latest episode of Bloomberg Wealth with David Rubinstein for 203 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: an extended conversation on the path ahead for US real 204 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,239 Speaker 3: estate let's listen to part of that conversation. 205 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 16: The work from home phenomenon is a US phenomenon. If 206 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 16: you go to England or Germany. I was just we 207 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 16: have some investments, oh if shore and I was just 208 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 16: looking at rents are up in vacancy rates in the 209 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 16: top EU German property markets Berlin, Frankfort, Munich, Homberg or 210 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 16: less than five percent. You and I go to the 211 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 16: Middle East, they're full. We have offices in Asia, they're full. 212 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 16: In the US you have two markets. You have the 213 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 16: really nice buildings that are ESG compliant, that are lovely, 214 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 16: like the one we're sitting in. This place is buzzing, 215 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 16: and they're back because it's a fun place to be. 216 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 16: And if you're in a building with lots of cubicles 217 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 16: and it's dark and there's no life and love, so 218 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 16: nice buildings, even in a city is as currently destitute 219 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 16: of San Francisco, from an office market perspective, the best 220 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 16: buildings are still leased, and so you're going to see 221 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 16: a bifurcation of the market in office The nice buildings 222 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 16: will stay rented and my guess is at pretty good 223 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 16: rates and the B and C stuff is going to 224 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 16: be maybe fields of grain or something'll be very pretty. 225 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 16: We have all these little mid block parks in New 226 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 16: York City because there won't be anything else to do 227 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 16: with those buildings, and nobody will carry them because there's 228 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 16: no hope. Some of those cities that have issues on commuting, 229 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 16: like New York or La Downtown, La Downtown San Francisco, 230 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 16: the c that are difficult to commute to, that's where 231 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 16: the pressure is so hard from workers saying I don't 232 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 16: want to drive into the city an hour and a 233 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 16: half and drive home an hour and a half every day. 234 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 16: But I also think a nice little recession will clear 235 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 16: this and you'll see people come back to the office 236 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 16: and in your town. Take the Amazon HQ two. They're 237 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 16: expecting people in those offices four days a week come 238 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 16: the fall. So the other thing about office day it 239 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 16: is AI. AI is going to hit a couple of 240 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 16: these industries that have been big users of office space. 241 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 17: You think artificial intelligence is obviously coming, but what industries 242 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 17: you think will be most effective. 243 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 16: Legal is probably the number one industry that could be 244 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,480 Speaker 16: disrupted by AI. You can search every precedent in the 245 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 16: history of mankind with a machine. You don't need a 246 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 16: paralegal to do that anymore, and they'll write the brief 247 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 16: for you. So the legal profession is probably target one. 248 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 16: Not far behind is advertising, when the machine is going 249 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 16: to update advertising and keep bombarding you with more and 250 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 16: more ads, with more and more offers until you take one. 251 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 16: Humans won't be there. They'll be maybe guiding it, but 252 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 16: it'll be it'll change advertising. It's another big user of 253 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 16: space finance. You tell me, I mean, there's a buttons 254 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 16: now on your computer. They'll be running a lot of 255 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 16: the stuff for you. It could fundamentally shake up permanent 256 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 16: demand for office now. 257 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 17: Sometimes people are saying that the best investment opportunity now 258 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 17: is to stress real estate debt. But you think it's 259 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 17: too early for that. 260 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 16: They're just beginning to you know, we were going to 261 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 16: give back an office building and they said, well, not 262 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 16: so fast. If you want to, we'll restructure a loan 263 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 16: and we'll cut it the loan in half, and you 264 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 16: put the money in here, and we'll take this as 265 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 16: a junior note. Because the banks don't want the assets back. 266 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 17: And why don't they want them back because they think 267 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 17: it's going to go down even further. 268 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 16: Yeah, because they got to carry them they're not set 269 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 16: up to carry these assets right, and they got to 270 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 16: go hire someone. They got to go to the leasing themselves. 271 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 16: It's not their business. They'd rather have a GP like 272 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 16: your old firm Carlisle or Starwood or Blackstone, hold onto 273 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 16: the asset and try to work it out. 274 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 17: So a lot of fortunes were made in the real 275 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 17: estate world, you know seven oh eight when people bought 276 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 17: distressed real estate, and all in late eighties two when 277 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 17: the RTC was here. So do you see funds being 278 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 17: formed to buy these assets, but you think they won't 279 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 17: be available for a year or two. 280 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 16: Right now, you have an unusual situation in the real 281 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 16: estate market. It's because everyone's sort of looking at the 282 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 16: yield curve and it says rates will be lower later. 283 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 16: Everyone says, you know, survive till twenty five, hold onto 284 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 16: your assets. So transaction volumes have plummeted. Unless you have 285 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 16: to sell something today. Nobody wants to sell anything today. 286 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 16: They think tomorrow will be rosier. For the most part, 287 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 16: everybody's pushing any sales back. And I think transaction advising 288 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 16: apartments are down sixty percent, industrial down seventy percent. It's 289 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 16: a very dry you know, there's no IPOs and there's 290 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 16: no sales in housing. 291 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 17: Do you see a recession there because prices are going 292 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 17: to come down at some point, or you don't see 293 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 17: a recession in housing. 294 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 16: The housing markets had a very unusual situation where powells. 295 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 16: Increase in rates has diminished supply and people. And I'm 296 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 16: not sure we've ever had a situation where so many 297 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 16: people have locked to have locked in their mortgage costs. 298 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 16: So right now people are sticking in their house, which 299 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 16: has diminished the supply of homes for sale. I wonder 300 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 16: when rates come down, homes will be sold like people 301 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 16: will start because the mortgage will no longer be a 302 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 16: reason to hold onto the house. And whether that will 303 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 16: offset will probably be an increase in supply as the 304 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 16: bills resume a more normal cycle. 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