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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome on into the Bedding Pros Podcast.

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Speaker 1: This Saturday is officially Derby Day, and that means it

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Speaker 1: is time for us to talk some Kentucky Derby. So

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Speaker 1: joining me today to do just that from the Racetrack

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Speaker 1: Network none other than Dan Silver. Dan, how are you

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Speaker 1: doing today?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great, Tom, It's great to be on here.

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Speaker 2: It's Derby week, Man's this is one of the best

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Speaker 2: weeks of the year for US horse racing degenerates.

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Speaker 1: That's right, you know, in honor of the Derby. I

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Speaker 1: feel like I have to pull it out today. I

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Speaker 1: feel like I have to go with a little bit

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Speaker 1: of the top hat here, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Now, that's that is like a UK thing. If you

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Speaker 2: were over there and it's funny over there, they don't

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Speaker 2: call it the Derby. They call it the Derby. So

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Speaker 2: the big race, the big race over there is the

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Speaker 2: EPSOM Derby. So yeah, but you would fit in right

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Speaker 2: over there. Man, it's Royal Ascots, the big meat over there.

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Speaker 2: It's coming up in mid mid June, I think. So

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Speaker 2: you could head over there and you'd be the talk

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Speaker 2: of the town. You'd probably have to upgrade your shirt

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Speaker 2: a little bit, but.

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Speaker 1: Yes, for sure. The attire would have to definitely improved.

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Speaker 1: I debated going all in on the bit with the

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Speaker 1: full suit, but I decided, dah, you know what, We'll

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Speaker 1: leave it with just the hat. I had to pull

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Speaker 1: it out, and you know, I guarantee you the odds

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Speaker 1: that during this interview I am going to pronounce at

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Speaker 1: Darby because I'm a big soccer guy and I am

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Speaker 1: just used to at this point reading that word and

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Speaker 1: pronouncing it that way. I guarantee you it's going to

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Speaker 1: happen at least once here. But let's get on into

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Speaker 1: it here. Starting what exactly is it that you do

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Speaker 1: over at Racetrack Network. What is your company all about?

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Speaker 1: Because you guys are a big reason why horse racing

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Speaker 1: is something you can even bet on in America.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we've got a business to business business and

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Speaker 2: then we've got a business to consumer and so Roberts

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Speaker 2: Communications Network is the kind of the parent company that

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Speaker 2: I work for. My boss, Todd Roberts, created this company

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Speaker 2: and basically what we do is we take the video

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Speaker 2: feeds from the racetracks, so you know Belmont Park, Churchill Downs,

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Speaker 2: for example, they have an on site production team. They

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Speaker 2: put together the graphics for the racing with the odds

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Speaker 2: on it. And then we have satellite dishes and fiber

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Speaker 2: circuits and internet circuits and all the racetracks basically around

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Speaker 2: the country, and so we take all those video feeds

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Speaker 2: and then we bring them back to our headquarters in

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Speaker 2: Las Vegas, and then we distribute them to like just

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Speaker 2: tons of locations. So any off track betting facility, any

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Speaker 2: racetrack we do North America, we do around the world,

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Speaker 2: any online betting platform that someone might be betting on.

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Speaker 2: Roberts Communications is delivering the video to all those sites.

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Speaker 2: We also deliver some of the wagering information and so

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Speaker 2: basically we're we're the video provider for the horse racing

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Speaker 2: industry globally. And then we also have a really cool

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Speaker 2: part of our business that's called Racetrack Television Network. So

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Speaker 2: it's OURTN dot tv, really cool website. Anyone can go

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Speaker 2: to check it out our TV and we sell video

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Speaker 2: packages for like as low as like five bucks a

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Speaker 2: month where people can basically subscribe and then they can

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Speaker 2: watch live video and race replays. Race replays are really

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Speaker 2: important for handicapping and trying to figure out who you're

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Speaker 2: gonna bet on. You can subscribe to all those cool

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Speaker 2: features and packages at URTN dot tv, and then we've

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Speaker 2: got the HD video for basically all the racetracks out there.

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Speaker 2: So so yeah, so my company basically tons and tons

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Speaker 2: of video distribution and some wagering distribution, really cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: And so you guys, basically, if you ever walk into

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Speaker 1: a sportsbook and you go over to the race section

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Speaker 1: and you might be wondering where on earth are getting

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Speaker 1: they getting the feeds for all of these videos from

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Speaker 1: like all over for horse racing, that to you, guys.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And so that happens a lot. I'll be

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Speaker 2: in a casino and talking to some buddies or whatever,

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Speaker 2: I do. When I say I'm in horse racing video distribution,

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Speaker 2: They're like, what does that mean? And then I just

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Speaker 2: you know, my company delivers all this video to these TVs,

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Speaker 2: and people like that's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Now. You also mentioned that you guys deliver some wagering information.

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Speaker 1: One of the biggest things with horse racing that maybe

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Speaker 1: it's a little different from normal sports betting, and that's

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Speaker 1: paramutual betting. Can you break down kind of the short

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Speaker 1: version of what exactly is paramutual betting and how does

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's totally different than what people think

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Speaker 2: of is like sports betting, which is a lot of

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Speaker 2: fixed odds betting. Paramutual is a French word and it's

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Speaker 2: not spelled mutual like mutual funds. It's m u t

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Speaker 2: and it means amongst ourselves, which basically means that instead

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Speaker 2: of betting against the house, you are basically just betting

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Speaker 2: that all of let's let's take the Kentucky Derby right, like,

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Speaker 2: there's a morning line that's out so people can look

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Speaker 2: that the racetrack usually takes about twenty to twenty five

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Speaker 2: And that's how it works there. So there's basically a

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Speaker 2: you put your bet in. You're locked in at minus

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Speaker 2: four and a half, right, and then if enough people

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Speaker 2: With horse racing, you can bet on a horse and

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Speaker 2: how paramutual wagering works is that the house takes a

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Speaker 1: And the important thing for people to keep in mind

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Speaker 1: there the nuts and bolts difference is if you go

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Speaker 1: the Eagles at four and a half, you have that line.

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Speaker 1: You have purchased a ticket at that line, and if

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Speaker 1: four and a half. With paramutual betting, it's a little

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Speaker 1: It's almost a little bit more like a lottery system

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Speaker 1: offering those prices, and like you said, we have a

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Speaker 1: morning line that we can reference right now, but those

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Speaker 1: Play stores. Now, Dan, let's talk about some of these

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Speaker 1: Morning Line has Epicenter at seven to two, Messa at

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Speaker 1: Is this a wide open Derby field? Or is one

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Speaker 2: So to me and the Kentucky Derby, it's a twenty

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Speaker 1: They don't have like a Medina Spirit or American Pharaoh

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. I mean Medeina Spirit actually went off at

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Speaker 2: to me, it's a fairly wide open race, and there's

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Speaker 2: question marks about so Zanden is the morning line favorite

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Speaker 2: most exciting running style, right, like seeing this horse galloping

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Speaker 2: But when you're dealing with a twenty horse race, that

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Speaker 2: I think that Taiba might be more talented horse than Messier.

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Speaker 1: Talking specifically about Bob Baffort and obviously not allowed to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think they're gonna get bet like they

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Speaker 2: like Taiba is I think twelve to one on the

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Speaker 2: He is probably the most talented horse in the race.

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Speaker 2: He's only run twice, which is a kind of scaring

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Speaker 1: Now, let's talk about some of those more long shot horses.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, this field is going to be very

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Speaker 1: won the UAE Derby. Foreign horses don't typically do that

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Speaker 2: I'm correct, Yeah, it's really interesting, so foreign horses, You're

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Speaker 2: all distances, the Japanese won two of those races, and

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Speaker 2: one of them they won a turf race which the

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Speaker 2: Lorraine and she was like a huge long shot in

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Speaker 2: and so a lot of people are wondering, like, what's

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Speaker 2: on with these horses, whatever's going on, they're running really well,

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Speaker 2: and so you have to respect the Japanese horses around

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Speaker 2: the world, and that includes this horse. And he won

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Speaker 2: very well at Kentucky at Churchill Downs. As you mentioned,

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Speaker 2: he doesn't look as fast on paper as some of

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Speaker 1: They're not just having success abroad. You mentioned that they

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Speaker 1: have also been winning in the Breeders' Cup here in America.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they won two Breeders' Cup races last year

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Speaker 2: And it's only a matter of time before a Japanese

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Speaker 2: won't be surprised if this is it.

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Speaker 1: Another long shot here is Summer is tomorrow. He is

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Speaker 1: thirty to one, and he could be potentially another guy,

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Speaker 1: another horse that people are looking at. He came in

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Speaker 1: second in that UAE Darby, Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So summers Tomorrow, to me, doesn't really have a

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow has is he goes right to the front. He's

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Speaker 2: at the beginning of a race, and they call it pace,

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Speaker 2: that's like being at the back, because the horses in

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Speaker 2: Now that's an extreme way of kind of providing those examples.

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Speaker 2: But summers Tomorrow is going to add a lot of

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow is in there. So I would not be betting

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Speaker 1: And you talk about that with style and various attributes

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Speaker 1: Most races in America are eight to not seven to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, you know, and it's kind of what I

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Speaker 2: the stalkers typically that's where you want to be. You

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Speaker 1: thing is the fact that it is very tough to

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Speaker 1: compare these horses. It's almost like last year in the NHL,

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Speaker 1: how every team just played their own divisions and so

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Speaker 1: you didn't see anyone versus anyone else. That's kind of

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Speaker 1: how it always is in horse racing, because it's not

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Speaker 1: like all of these horses are racing each other. You're

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Speaker 1: making comparisons that are almost apples to oranges. But one

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Speaker 1: of the ways that we can look at and make

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Speaker 1: some of these comparisons is through prep races, the races

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Speaker 1: that these horses are racing in before the derby to

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Speaker 1: get them ready. What are some of the horses that

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Speaker 1: have been performing really well in these prep races, and

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Speaker 1: what are the stronger prep races that you've been looking at.

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Speaker 1: Which ones are you weighing the field more heavily versus others.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's one of the things that makes the

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Speaker 2: Kentucky Derby so interesting is there's twenty horses in it,

462
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Speaker 2: but very few of them have run against each other

463
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Speaker 2: because there's all these prep races, like you mentioned, and

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Speaker 2: those races are all about four to six weeks before

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Speaker 2: the derby. There's the one in Dubai I mentioned, there's

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Speaker 2: one in Florida, there's one in New York, there's one

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Speaker 2: in California, there's one in Kentucky, there's one in Arkansas,

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Speaker 2: there's one in Louisiana. So there's all these prep races,

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Speaker 2: and there's people in horse racing who very smart people

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Speaker 2: who put together what they call speed figures, which is

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Speaker 2: kind of a way of equalizing the times of the

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Speaker 2: different track to actually put a one number on how

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Speaker 2: fast a horse ran, and you'd hope to be able

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Speaker 2: to compare it to the other races, because, as you said,

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Speaker 2: these horses are running against each other. But this year

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Speaker 2: a lot of the prep race has had similar kind

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Speaker 2: of speed numbers, so it's a lot of it's a

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Speaker 2: crapshoot for me. The California race, which is called the

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Speaker 2: sand nein a Derby I thought was a very strong

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Speaker 2: race this year. That's the one with Taiba and Messier,

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Speaker 2: and the Florida Derby, which is a race that a

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Speaker 2: lot of people don't really think was a strong prep.

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Speaker 2: I actually like some of the horses coming out of

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Speaker 2: the Florida Derby. Charge It was coming out of that race.

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Speaker 2: White up Ario won that race. His trainer has not

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Speaker 2: done very well outside of Kentucky traditionally Saffy Joseph, so

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Speaker 2: there's some question marks there, but Charge It's trainer Todd

488
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Speaker 2: Pletcher has so for me, the sand in A Derby

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Speaker 2: and the Florida Derby were two of the stronger preps,

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Speaker 2: the races that epicenters come out of, a lot of

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Speaker 2: people really like those races, but I'm not sure about

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Speaker 2: the quality of those races. The New York Race is okay,

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Speaker 2: I didn't think it was spectacular, and the Kentucky prep race,

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Speaker 2: you know, was okay. But for me, the California Race

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Speaker 2: was the best prep race, and that's the race that

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of concentrating on horses coming out of that.

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Speaker 1: Another big factor can be weather, and it's looking in

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Speaker 1: the weather forecast right now like it's going to be

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Speaker 1: pretty rainy up to Derby Day. Do you think that

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Speaker 1: there's some horses that are gonna fare better on a

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Speaker 1: muddier track versus some horses that we maybe want to

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Speaker 1: look at late if the track ends up being a

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Speaker 1: little firmer and a little more dry.

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Speaker 2: So it has been raining a lot in Louisville. It

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Speaker 2: rained yesterday, today's dry, but Thursday and Friday it's supposed

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Speaker 2: to get more rain, so there will be some moisture

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Speaker 2: in the track. Now that the track team there does

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Speaker 2: a great job and buy Kentucky Derby Day, I'm guessing

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a dry track. But it's very

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Speaker 2: hard to predict which horses are going to like mud

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Speaker 2: in the track, because a horse could like a muddy

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Speaker 2: surface in New York, but maybe that surface is different

513
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Speaker 2: than the muddy surface in Louisville Churchill Downs, So it

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Speaker 2: is very hard to predict. You can when you look

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Speaker 2: at the past performances for these races, and you can

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Speaker 2: get them at like drf dot com, which is the

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Speaker 2: daily racing form. It will show you the conditions for

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Speaker 2: the horses from the past races like Zanden. For example,

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Speaker 2: his win in Kentucky at Keenland Racecourse right before the

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Speaker 2: Derby was on kind of a wet racetrack, so that

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Speaker 2: would lead you to believe that he would probably like,

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Speaker 2: you know, a little bit of wetness in the track.

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Speaker 2: But as I look through these past performances, not a

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Speaker 2: lot of these horses have experience on a wet racetrack,

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Speaker 2: and so it's kind of it's it's hard to figure out,

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Speaker 2: you know, what would happen on a wet racetrack. It's

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Speaker 2: it's just another variable. It's another reason why it's hard

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Speaker 2: to bet on a horse at a low price in

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Speaker 2: the Kentucky Derby because there's so many variables. So it's

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Speaker 2: why I kind of try and concentrate more on longer,

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Speaker 2: longer priced horses.

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Speaker 1: question for you here, what are some of the mistakes

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Speaker 1: that first time horse racing betters, that casual horse racing

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Speaker 1: betters might be making going into a race like this,

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Speaker 1: things that they're overvaluing or undervaluing when picking a horse. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: this is an event. Some people are just gonna come

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Speaker 1: in and go, I like that horse's name, that's my pick.

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Speaker 1: Like that. It's a time honored tradition at the racetrack,

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Speaker 1: and by all means there's no bashing of that. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: go and make a bet based on that if you want.

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Speaker 1: We're here to have fun. But some of the people

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Speaker 1: that may be trying to take it a little more seriously,

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Speaker 1: what are some of the things that they might be

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Speaker 1: doing wrong when they're making their picks.

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Speaker 2: So one of the things I like doing the most,

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Speaker 2: and again this is like I mentioned, we've got our

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Speaker 2: website RTN dot tv where you can buy race replay packages.

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Speaker 2: The way that I handicap personally is I like watching

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Speaker 2: replays because I think that if you watch the last

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Speaker 2: few races that a horse had, it really gives you

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Speaker 2: an idea of what kind of talent they have, right,

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Speaker 2: And if people just want to go and have a

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Speaker 2: good time and bet, you know, ten bucks on a

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Speaker 2: horse to win. That's awesome, like pick the name or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But if you're really serious about handicapping races and winning

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Speaker 2: money at horse racing, I think that watching the replays

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Speaker 2: is very important because then you can see, hey, you

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Speaker 2: know what, this horse tried to make a move early

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Speaker 2: in the race and he got blocked off right, and

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Speaker 2: maybe that's a reason why he ran third instead of

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Speaker 2: why he might have won the race if he hadn't

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Speaker 2: have gotten blocked off right. So I think that watching

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Speaker 2: the races is very important. Something else that people talk

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Speaker 2: about is there's a difference between handicapping and betting. So

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Speaker 2: someone could be the best handicapper in the world, but

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Speaker 2: if they don't know how to then translate what they've

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Speaker 2: determined into specific bets, they're not going to be making money.

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Speaker 2: Because there's so many different bets you can make. Right,

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Speaker 2: you can bet to win, you can bet to place,

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Speaker 2: you can bet to show, you can bet trifectas, you

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Speaker 2: can bet pick fives. You know, trifecta's the top three

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Speaker 2: horses in one race. Pick five is the winner of

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Speaker 2: five straight races. So there's all these different kinds of

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Speaker 2: bets you can do. I think that you people need

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Speaker 2: to focus on what their strengths are. So some people like,

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty good at bett handicapping races on the grass, right,

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Speaker 2: so theoretically I should be betting more of my bank

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Speaker 2: role on races on the grass. And just like any

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Speaker 2: form of gambling, the key to making money is being

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Speaker 2: disciplined and waiting for good opportunities. And so we're talking

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Speaker 2: about the Derby, and everyone's gonna bet on the Derby.

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Speaker 2: It's not always the best race to bet on because

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Speaker 2: there's so many variables. It's one of the best races

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Speaker 2: to bet on because the money that you can win

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Speaker 2: is so big. You could hit a super fecta in

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Speaker 2: the Derby and pay off your house, like we're talking

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Speaker 2: big time money, right, But it's just very unpredictable. Like

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Speaker 2: you could do the best job in the world at

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Speaker 2: handicapping the race. You could figure out that there's a

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Speaker 2: forty to one horse who's gonna win, and you're convinced

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Speaker 2: of it, and that horse might then get blocked three

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Speaker 2: different times in the race and you don't win, you know,

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Speaker 2: and hey, you know what's it's just kind of horse

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Speaker 2: racing luck.

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Speaker 1: So it's the unpredictability of it all.

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Speaker 2: But I would tell people if they really want to

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Speaker 2: be serious about you know, is go and watch it,

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Speaker 2: you know, go and watch the prep races that these

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Speaker 2: horses ran in and make your own decisions on which

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Speaker 2: horses you think are the best.

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Speaker 1: Now, before I let you go here, Dan, you have

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Speaker 1: to tell me who is winning the derby.

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Speaker 2: So I think that Tiba is the most talented horse

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Speaker 2: in the race. And if you put a gun to

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Speaker 2: my head and said who's gonna win, I would go

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Speaker 2: with Tiba. It's a question that I don't love because

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Speaker 2: the way that I bet is, you know, I'll probably

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Speaker 2: be hopefully be alive to five or six horses to

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Speaker 2: close out a big pick five or pick six, and

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Speaker 2: so again in a twenty horse race, I can't guarantee

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Speaker 2: you who's gonna win, but exactly it's but I would

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Speaker 2: say Tiba would be my top pick. And then I

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Speaker 2: think that charge It and Crown Pride and Messier and

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Speaker 2: Cybernife for horses that people should look at too.

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Speaker 1: And that's an important thing there. You're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: diverse portfolio going to this race. You're gonna have ways

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Speaker 1: that you're gonna be able to lock in a profit

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Speaker 1: based on five or six horses coming out on top here,

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Speaker 1: I have to ask you who's gonna win because that Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, of course, so I'm gonna go with type.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, there you have it, guys, Dan, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining me here today. Where can

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Speaker 1: people find you and all the great work that you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so folks can follow me on Twitter at D

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Speaker 2: and hockey. I'm a big Flyers fan and a little

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Speaker 2: eighty eight and Thomas really great to be on the show.

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Speaker 2: It's a great show. I really appreciate you having me off.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us today. I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate the time. And best of luck on the Derby

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Speaker 1: this weekend. And guys, best of luck to you all

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Speaker 1: on the Derby, Best of luck with all of your bets.

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Speaker 1: We will be back here tomorrow. I'm gonna be talking

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Speaker 1: some UFC with Lou Finichiaro. Gonna be another great show,

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