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Speaker 1: We can get used to our normality being at a

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Speaker 2: What we all want in the Western world. Is his

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Speaker 2: five things you can do to stop stress. Well, the

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the pard Nicola Elliott.

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Speaker 2: She is the.

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Speaker 3: Founder of Neon well Being and one of the biggest

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Speaker 3: wellness brands in the UK and now she's the author

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Speaker 3: of Four Ways to well Being, where she breaks down

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Speaker 3: how we can get better sleep, less stress, more energy

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Speaker 1: What you're doing right now is setting you up for

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Speaker 1: ten years time. What you do in ten years time

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Speaker 1: is setting you up for next ten years. And so

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Speaker 1: that's the same with stress. It's wearing and tearing away

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Speaker 1: at you, just as old age does. But stress does

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Speaker 1: a time where it will be so much harder to

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Speaker 1: come back from.

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Speaker 2: Mostly, your body understands what feeling calm feels like. You

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Speaker 2: have an internal blueprint that your body can back exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's really important for your body to be reminded in

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Speaker 2: this fast paced world what good looks like, because if

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Speaker 1: Essentially, I'm Radi Wlukiah and on my podcast a Really

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Speaker 1: Good Cry, we embrace the messy and the beautiful, providing

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Speaker 1: a space for raw, unfiltered conversations that celebrate vulnerability and

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Speaker 1: allow you to tune in to learn, connect and find

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Speaker 1: comfort together. Thanks so much for being here. Thank you

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Speaker 1: everyone for listening and coming back again to this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Have such an amazing guest today for anyone who doesn't know,

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Speaker 1: her name is Nikola. And when you come to my house,

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Speaker 1: basically there's either a scent from them. It's called Neon

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Speaker 1: by the way, there's a scent from them, or a

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Speaker 1: many reasons why I love it. But first I want

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Speaker 1: understand you. So give me a breakdown of how Neon

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Speaker 1: started and what brought you to this incredible company.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the intro.

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Speaker 1: I love that I do.

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Speaker 2: You were two minutes intro because any we are now

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Speaker 2: certainly in the States people see this as a baby brand,

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Speaker 1: I remember seeing your candles from they were I always

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Speaker 1: And that's honestly why I love the brand so much.

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Speaker 1: For me, I you know, I learned so much about

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Speaker 2: And also, you know, if you wanted to use a

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Speaker 1: He's like that too. Actually, he has been able to

435
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Speaker 1: train his mind to mentally cope with stress so well.

436
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Speaker 1: So he's always like, my mind's not feeling it, but

437
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Speaker 1: I'm feeling this thing in my chest, or my mind's

438
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 1: not feeling it, but my body is so tired. And

439
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Speaker 1: I noticed that with him where exactly because he has

440
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Speaker 1: really he's you know, his meditation practice is so great.

441
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 1: He really has found ways to mentally de stress. But

442
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: at some point, some part of your body will come out, comes.

443
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Speaker 2: Out exactly, And he's exactly saying to me, I'm not stressed.

444
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Speaker 2: I'm not stressed. I'm calm, And I'm like, we you yes, mentally,

445
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 2: but you're literally bound. Anybody feels it. So I think

446
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 2: that's the other thing is see that it can come

447
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 2: out in and my mum gets a tightness here, yes, ja, Yeah,

448
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,479
Speaker 2: So there's different ways that it's coming out. So we

449
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,480
Speaker 2: think of stress in a very sort of binary way,

450
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: and it's not. And I think it's very much about

451
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 2: preventing and building that in and recognizing the value even

452
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: if you're not a kind of classicalized stressed person, but

453
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 2: recognizing the value of keeping those cortisol levels low also

454
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Speaker 2: for longevity.

455
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Speaker 1: Uty I'm like, I'm noticing the things I did in

456
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Speaker 1: my twenties, you end up seeing what you've done in

457
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Speaker 1: your twenties in your thirties. Like, what you're what you're

458
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Speaker 1: doing right now is setting you up for ten years time.

459
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Speaker 1: What you do in ten years time is setting you

460
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Speaker 1: up for next ten years. And I think that is

461
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Speaker 1: something I'm starting to realize being in my thirties. I'm like,

462
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Speaker 1: it really does make a difference, whether it's for me.

463
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: I've spent so much time in the sun. That's the

464
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 1: thing I'm noticing right now, the sun spots that are

465
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Speaker 1: showing up on my face from being in the sun

466
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Speaker 1: for the past ten years and not looking after it. Wow,

467
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: it really does show up. And so that's the same

468
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 1: with stress, is it's wearing and tearing away at you,

469
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: just as old age does. But stress does the same thing,

470
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Speaker 1: and you're going to notice it at a time where

471
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Speaker 1: it will be so much harder to come back from mostally.

472
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Speaker 2: And and the other thing is, I think what we

473
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Speaker 2: all want in the Western world is his five things

474
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 2: you can do to stop stress well, the reality is

475
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: your five things will be different to mine. There'll be

476
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: some commonalities, but they're different. So then what happens is

477
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: you try and look up the three things are five

478
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Speaker 2: things are, and I don't want to do. I don't

479
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 2: want to do, I don't like you, I don't want

480
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Speaker 2: to mess it, and so then you put off the

481
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Speaker 2: whole thing. You have to realize that you need a

482
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Speaker 2: wellbeing toolkit. It will basically have some they're my four pillars.

483
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 2: It will of course include a degree of exercise or movement.

484
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Speaker 2: It will of course degree have a large food paste

485
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Speaker 2: plays a large part. And then but what works for

486
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 2: you is going to be different to me definitely, So

487
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Speaker 2: you've got it and that will change. So you have

488
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Speaker 2: to think, right, I'm going to respect that this wellbeing

489
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: tool needs to exist so I live my best life mentally, physically.

490
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Speaker 2: I'm going to respect that it shows up in ways

491
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Speaker 2: that are very different to you, to me, to Jay,

492
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Speaker 2: to my partner. You know, if it is out of kilter,

493
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Speaker 2: and these are things that I'm going to sort of do,

494
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Speaker 2: but I'm going to make sure that I get to

495
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Speaker 2: a point with trial and error that I really love

496
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Speaker 2: that and it's enhancing my life by doing those things.

497
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Speaker 2: It's not a thing I've got to do at the

498
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Speaker 2: end of the day.

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Speaker 1: It's investing time in yourself. Like, that's what it takes,

500
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Speaker 1: what you're saying, trial and error of making the investment

501
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Speaker 1: in yourself with time, with energy to really understand what

502
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Speaker 1: you need in your life. Because once you figure those

503
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Speaker 1: basics out of this is what I need to get

504
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Speaker 1: good sleep, this is what I need to make sure

505
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Speaker 1: my energy levels stay good, this is what I need

506
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Speaker 1: for my mood. Once you figure those things out, that

507
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Speaker 1: can be your foundation for living your life optimally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And at the end of the day, for me,

509
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,719
Speaker 2: it's personally it's less about am I going to make

510
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Speaker 2: it from ninety two hundred? It's am I going to

511
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Speaker 2: really squeeze the shit out for the next ten years

512
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Speaker 2: and enjoy them the most and get the most out

513
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Speaker 2: of them and feel my best. So again, it's not

514
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Speaker 2: about prolonging life. It's these are very old fashioned concert Yeah.

515
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Speaker 1: It's the quality of like how well am I feeling

516
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Speaker 1: every morning when I wake up, and how enthusiastic am

517
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: I feeling? What's my mood with myself and with other people,

518
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: like that's what creates quality in your life. And I

519
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Speaker 1: think that's what Yeah, I love I love that that's

520
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: what you built your company on. Those were your foundations

521
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Speaker 1: because I think that's what people need the most.

522
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's some I think it's why I'm

523
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Speaker 2: really committed to doing things like this, because when we

524
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Speaker 2: talk about wellness, it's a big responsibility. I think to

525
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 2: then go, oh, and I can help you with my

526
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Speaker 2: your brilliant new cookbook or you know, me saying swap

527
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: to these natural candles are going to help youse treatments.

528
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Speaker 2: They're all brilliant, but it's part of a toolkit, and

529
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: we all have to also signpost loads of other things

530
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Speaker 2: that people can do because whilst we're in this space

531
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Speaker 2: where people still don't know and don't realize it can

532
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: be a rich and varied toolkit which has to change

533
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 2: depending on different times of you know, the year, your life,

534
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Speaker 2: et cetera. We have to encourage them and say, hey,

535
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Speaker 2: there's also this that, and you might like this.

536
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but would you say are the three or which

537
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Speaker 1: have a many best essential oils for stress? Like what

538
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Speaker 1: would you recommend people go to, the sense that they

539
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Speaker 1: should go to.

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Speaker 2: Well we'll probably come on to it next. But I

541
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Speaker 2: think lavender is good because lavender is helps you sleep,

542
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Speaker 2: and you're always going to be stressed if you don't

543
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Speaker 2: get a good good night's sleep. So I'm going to

544
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Speaker 2: put that in there, even though that's a sleep. Yeah,

545
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Speaker 2: Jasmine is fantastic. Jasmine is a really lovely essential oil

546
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 2: for relaxing, but it's also relaxing and distressing. But it's

547
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: also a very optimistic light oil. So I think it

548
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Speaker 2: is it's a distressing oil, but it also touches on

549
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 2: lots of other elements which help you do stress. I

550
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Speaker 2: really really like jasmine. And then sandalwood is a very

551
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: nice Sandalwood is a great kind of very deep grounding

552
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: essential oil.

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Speaker 1: Hug like it's a hug scense. It feels like a

554
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Speaker 1: hug for your body.

555
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 2: It is, So I think they go nicy together, say

556
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: very nicely they do.

557
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Speaker 1: I blend like that. Actually, the three Bland I should try.

558
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Speaker 2: The best selling fragrance that I created for my own

559
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Speaker 2: anxiety is real luxury and it's got twenty four essential

560
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Speaker 2: oilsm but it has.

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Speaker 1: Those, does it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll send.

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Speaker 1: You some of that because it's sounds amazing love, a

564
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Speaker 1: lovely fragrance I really enjoy. And you know when I

565
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: think about sense throughout my day, I really do think

566
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Speaker 1: about them as from morning to evening, like how they're

567
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Speaker 1: going to make me feel. And so I have a

568
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Speaker 1: jasmine myss that I put onto my face as part

569
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Speaker 1: of my skincare routine. The smell of that, I take

570
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Speaker 1: a deep breath every single time I smell it. And

571
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Speaker 1: then lavender is in one of my cleansing oils, and

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Speaker 1: you know, in the body barmb that I put on.

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Speaker 1: There's just so many different sense that take me through

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Speaker 1: the day. And you're right, it makes you know jasmine

575
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: has that effect. It just makes you want to take

576
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Speaker 1: that deep breaven.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting there. So you said we spoke about taking

578
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: those moments for yourself and even those are micro moments. Yes, well,

579
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: you're forcing yourself to just take things a little bit

580
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: slower and think about what you're putting on and giving

581
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: yourself that sort of permission to look after yourself.

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Speaker 1: And actually, I think when it comes to stress, if

583
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: I think about what helps me, it's not those major

584
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: moments in my day. It is those micro moments. It

585
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: is those little things that keep me. It's like the

586
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: little threads that take me from one bit to the next,

587
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,479
Speaker 1: one bit to the next. They carry me through my day.

588
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: And so sometimes my team will see me disappear and

589
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Speaker 1: I'll come out and I'll have, you know, sprayed something

590
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Speaker 1: on my face, or I'll have a face mask on

591
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: halfway through the day. And it's just because it's giving

592
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: me those moments of refreshment and energizing that that you

593
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Speaker 1: know carries the.

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Speaker 2: Cooking right, Yeah, you're not going to eat mac Donald's

595
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Speaker 2: all day and then go, well, I should make an

596
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: amazing rady courier. Yeah, just to sort of balance at

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Speaker 2: the end of the day. You put the spices in

598
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: your food. As the day goes on, you might put

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00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: the cinnamon in your porridge. You might put you know,

600
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Speaker 2: some spices in a soup, and so you're constantly nourishing.

601
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Speaker 2: And then at the end of that day and the

602
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 2: end of that week, that's become a lifestyle and it's lovely.

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00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 2: It's nice. It's not they're not things as well. Another

604
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: really important tip that I always says, make it nice

605
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: for yourself. You know, make that food. Yeah, have those

606
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: amazing anti inflammatory spices in, but make it, so it

607
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: makes the soup taste better. You know, use the miss

608
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: that's going to help you relax, but make it a

609
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: miss that smells gorgeous that you also want to use.

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Speaker 2: Don't feel that that sort of somehow mitigates it or

611
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Speaker 2: makes it less worthy, So always make those and I

612
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: think that lifts your mood as well.

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Speaker 1: Then does And you touched on sleep with the lavender,

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Speaker 1: and I'd love to go on to that now because

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Speaker 1: you know, I've I really appreciate creating a sleep environment

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Speaker 1: and what I mean by that is really figuring out

617
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Speaker 1: the sense, the type of sheets, I like, the pillow

618
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Speaker 1: I like, you know, the lighting that we use. All

619
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Speaker 1: of those things can really help to create a sacred

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Speaker 1: space for you to get good quality sleep. So I

621
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Speaker 1: would love to hear from you what your tools and

622
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Speaker 1: tips have been for people, which you said ninety seven

623
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Speaker 1: how many people struggle with sleep in I think if.

624
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Speaker 2: You're eighty seven percent, people.

625
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Speaker 1: Struggle with sleep and I've seen that with my friends.

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Speaker 1: You know, people well, first.

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Speaker 2: The quality, so it's either getting sleep or not having

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Speaker 2: a great quality.

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Speaker 1: Yet, yeah, tell me, like, what do you think are

630
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Speaker 1: great ways for people to ease into creating a better

631
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Speaker 1: sleep environment or routine for themselves.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is a massive topic, so I'll try and

633
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Speaker 2: say it in just a few words. Because we did

634
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Speaker 2: a brilliant sleep plan which was just phenomenal, which has

635
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Speaker 2: got our eleven Yeah, our eleven Golden Rules for sleep,

636
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Speaker 2: and I would always go and have looked at it

637
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Speaker 2: on our website because it genuine is really really good.

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Speaker 2: But one thing I would say, we don't respect our

639
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 2: circadian rhythms at all. So what that means is we

640
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: wake up and don't go out to the side and

641
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 2: see the sunshine. We stay in all day and then

642
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: we expose ourselves to light in the evening. That actually

643
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: means that our body at a cellular level is not

644
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: understanding it's morning, it's afternoon, it's evening. So because we're

645
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: not respecting that, everything's going out of kilter. So you

646
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: have to think and routine at the end of the

647
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: day is hugely important, but it also starts at the

648
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: beginning of the day. You have to tell your body

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Speaker 2: it's morning, which then stops producing melatonin and starts all

650
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Speaker 2: of the kind of daily hormones up. So first thing

651
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: in the morning, making sure that you get out and

652
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 2: you see. Natural light is hugely important, hugely, hugely important.

653
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: And you know, if you measure light in terms of lux,

654
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: the light that you will get outside for fifteen minutes

655
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: versus being all day in an office is vastly, vastly different.

656
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: So going outside and seeing that natural light is really important.

657
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,959
Speaker 2: And of course things like movement are really really important

658
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: as the day goes on. But having a routine for

659
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: the evening is very very important as well. And I

660
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: think people think that they are either a good sleeper

661
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: or a bad sleeper, and actually there's so much more

662
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: power in your hands and then you believe if you

663
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: really do respect that sleep hygiene from morning till evening.

664
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: So evening for me is very much about creating a

665
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: zone where we're going from that busy, you know, cortisol

666
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: spiky day to a much calmer place in the evening.

667
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: So that will of course include the blue lights being

668
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 2: turned off, you know, and that's of course hard. We

669
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: all like to sit in bed on Instagram. Sometimes that's

670
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: the reality, right, but you have to realize that that

671
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: is problematic. It's telling your brain to wake up, that's

672
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: the problem with it. It's not just making you think,

673
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: oh my god, what are they doing? Or I can't

674
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 2: believe she's done that? Or why are they there without me?

675
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: All of those things, but also the blue light. The

676
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: blue light is also making your brain think it's morning.

677
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: So it's a double whammy. You've got to take in that.

678
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: You've obviously not to say obviously, I think it's obvious.

679
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: But some people still order a coffee.

680
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 1: Don't they.

681
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: You've obviously got to stop. I can't drink caffeine after

682
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: twelve o'clock. I'm a bit of a lightweight, so understand

683
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: what your cutoff zone is. It might be later in that.

684
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: There's also a three hour rule, which is shouldn't really

685
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: be eating or drinking. I mean, clearly water is fine,

686
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: but you shouldn't really be eating your meal that close

687
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: to bed because your body's having to do a hell

688
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: of a job to.

689
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: Make sure that it digests it.

690
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: So you've got to make sure you're timings. You know,

691
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: you're not doing all those day things really sort of

692
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 2: late in the evening. I would then always like a

693
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: perfect night sleep. Candle. It's been such an amazing fragrance

694
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: for us, and we've got such brilliant testimonials of people

695
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: saying this has absolutely been a game changer. I like

696
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: to have something to inhale, something to absorb when you skin,

697
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: and then something to boost.

698
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: That's I like that, something to inhale, something to put

699
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: on your skin.

700
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: Absorb inhale, absorbed boost. I always think of routines in

701
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 2: that sort of way, So something to inhale would be

702
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: We do two sleep fragrances. Actually we do one that's

703
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: not got lavender in because a lot of people still

704
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: don't like lavender, so we do one with camra marm

705
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: but I like the lavender one, and then I would

706
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: fill the room with the fragrance, either via a pod

707
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: or a candle. I always like to go in a bath.

708
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 2: The ideal time is meant to be about twelve minutes

709
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 2: in a bath. I know that sounds very prescriptive, but

710
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: the point is not having it underturned and then not

711
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: having it you don't, there's no benefit of fifteen and then.

712
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: Somebody, you know, a good ten minutes to get into

713
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: an actual relaxed day after being on the whole day.

714
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And for the oils, if you're using the oils,

715
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 2: for the oils to really penetrate. So I like to

716
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 2: have an oily bath or a bath with essential oils

717
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 2: in some capacity. Again, we do so many different products

718
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 2: than perfect night sleep, whether you like bubble bath bath,

719
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 2: foam oils or whatever. I love to use a magnesium

720
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 2: body butter when I get out of the bath.

721
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: Magnesium body.

722
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: It's a brilliant product, that absolutely brilliant. It's laced in magnesium.

723
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 2: So many of us deficient in magnesium. It's an absolute

724
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: wonder mineral. I mean, it's responsible for about three hundred

725
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: and sixty functions in the body magnesium I mean, and

726
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: the vast majority of a deficient in it. And by

727
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 2: the way you can process it, you know, if you've

728
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 2: been taking it as a tablet form, your body will

729
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: just keep processing it so you can't.

730
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's good to nerve. Yeah, yeah, because I

731
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, you mentioned pods and diffuses for

732
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: people who aren't used to using essential olds. There are

733
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: so many different ways you can get it, and I use,

734
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, I have a rollable of a few different

735
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: sens that I take with me everywhere. I have peppermint

736
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: ale for my headaches. I have my lavender off when

737
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: I travel and I go on to a plane. But

738
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: then there's also the sense which are pure essential OWDs.

739
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: You can diffuse in a diffuser, give us, give us

740
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 1: a few different ways that you recommend people take them

741
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: in because even through your body butters, people are you know,

742
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: absorbing it through their skin into their body.

743
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't matter how you get a fragrance in

744
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 2: an atmosphere, It doesn't matter at all. Candle a rediffuser,

745
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 2: a pod. You'll have a personal preference on how strong

746
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 2: you want it. You'll also you know you might want it.

747
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: The good thing with the pod is it creates fragrance

748
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: in seconds. Yeah, so, and also everyone's room size is different, right,

749
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 2: So our three week candle we actually developed with that

750
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: amount of senseal oil in the three weeks, so we

751
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: would fill an average sized living room in about half

752
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: an hour. So that gives you some sort of guidance.

753
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: But as long as you know, whatever your budget is

754
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: or whatever your room sizes, any of those elements you

755
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: just just as long.

756
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: As specific, No, it's not.

757
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: And then when it comes to putting things on the

758
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: body again, you mean you can take we do pure

759
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: essential oils. You can put them the carrier on. If

760
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: you wanted magnesium body butter, that's great. We have a

761
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: body oil. I love our body oil because I love

762
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: a body or the size. That's another part of my

763
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: sleep routine that I really love.

764
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 1: I think, you know, self soothing and self touch is

765
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: so important to create, you know, to allow your nerves

766
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: to know. It's almost like hugging your own body. And

767
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: I love massage. I do a younger which is like

768
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: you know, self body massage. But it's such an important

769
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: part of my evening to destress my body because I

770
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: notice the places when I'm then going through and massaging

771
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: my body with all I'm noticing the places where I'm

772
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: holding tension. And I do it with essential oils and

773
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: with a you know, with a carrier, all that that

774
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: I put onto my body. But it really does make

775
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: a difference because I feel it, you know, kind of

776
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: moving through my body.

777
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 2: And body oil's got a bit of a bad rap.

778
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: People think it's greasy. Well, it's only greasy when it's

779
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: a mineral oil and it sits on the skin. You're

780
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: using a natural oil. It will actually penetrate into the skin.

781
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: I know my body, I wake up and my body

782
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: feels like a baby. But once you use the always

783
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: such a nice feeling to wing up like that. We've

784
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: touched on melotonin, you were saying, you know, obviously to

785
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: create that in our body. There is such a reliance

786
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: in the world right now on taking external melotonin, of

787
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: taking tablets. I know so many friends who have been

788
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: hooked on it, and you know, I would love to

789
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: hear your perspective on it, because for me, whenever I

790
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: hear people taking it, I know that they get to

791
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: a point where they hit a wall where it no

792
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: longer helps them, and that's because their body is not

793
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: producing it itself. It almost takes out that. It basically

794
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: tells your body Listen, you don't need to do any

795
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: work right now to get yourself melatonin. I'm going to

796
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: give it all to you, and so I feel like

797
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: it stops the functioning of it. So what's your view

798
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: on melatonin versus taking magnesium, because I know both can

799
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: be used for relaxation at night.

800
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 2: Well, I've never taken melitony. You know, I'm generally quite

801
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 2: a good sleeper, actually so, but I do have understood

802
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: the principles of being able to have and create good

803
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: sleep for quite a while. So I don't know. Listen,

804
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: it must be awful if you are a really really

805
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 2: serious insomniac. And I've got to be honest, and so

806
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 2: I don't know how that feels. So that must be

807
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 2: really really bad. However, it is widely known as you say,

808
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: that melatonin is going to ultimately, you know, cause you

809
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: more problems. And I do think in our findings, especially

810
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: when we did our when we created our sleep eleven

811
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: Golden Rules, most people didn't think good sleep was in

812
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: their control. They felt that they were just bad sleeper,

813
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: just a bad sleeper.

814
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: You know.

815
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: Their mum had been a sleeper, their uncle had been

816
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: a bad sleeper. It was in their family, and they

817
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: didn't understand. They didn't understand the whole piece about the

818
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 2: circadian rhythm and that it was also not just about

819
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 2: getting to sleep at that point, but it was about

820
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 2: really starting in the morning. So I think it makes

821
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: sense that you would at least learn that and try

822
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 2: that and then see where you are, because yeah, otherwise

823
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: you might get some relief. But if it steps forward

824
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: to take three back doesn't sound like a good.

825
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: Long term are you When you're taking anything like that, Naturally,

826
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: it gives you that remis for the night, but it

827
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: doesn't help your actual rhythm of sleep for the you know,

828
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: for longevity.

829
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: Of it exactly. And a lot of the sleep experts

830
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,479
Speaker 2: that I've spoken to say also think about your sleep

831
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: over a week. Don't always berate yourself if you wake

832
00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: up and you say, had a really bad night's sleep,

833
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 2: because sometimes you can get on this big vicious circle

834
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: of I had a bad night's sleep, and so then

835
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: you drink more caffeine to wake up the next day,

836
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: and then you take something that night. Rather than thank you, yeah, yeah,

837
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: you're not going to die, what's going to happen? You've

838
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: had a terrible night's sleep, fine, well, if you had

839
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: three hours last night, or if you had an hour,

840
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 2: then you know, if you get a night sleep the

841
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: night after all the nice after, think about it in

842
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 2: the week. So I think sometimes changing your way of

843
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: thinking can be helpful. You know.

844
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: What's really helped me, and I recommend this to a

845
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: lot of my friends now, is if you do go

846
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: through periods of having bad sleep, start tracking your sleep.

847
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: I've been using the Whoop for a while now, yeah,

848
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: and I've used lots of other devices here and there.

849
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: I was really against actually using devices on my body

850
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: at night, but I think for short periods of time,

851
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: It's helped me so much to see what type of

852
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: sleep I'm having to then the recovery that I'm having

853
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: to the morning of what type of workout I'm going

854
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: to have, Like sleep effects everything I noticed when I

855
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: don't get enough sleep. After looking at whatever my results

856
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: come out to be, I end up changing the way

857
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: that I'm working out because I'm putting more strain on

858
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: my body, producing more quarters all in my body, feeling

859
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: stressed and tired the whole day. And so even if

860
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 1: you're someone who doesn't use monitoring devices like much at all,

861
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: I recommend if you do end up having difficult sleep patterns,

862
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: at least have a look at what's happening, because I

863
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: think when you end up getting information in front of you,

864
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: you can only go from information because otherwise you're trying

865
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 1: to figure out there's so many variables that a complete

866
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: and so you know, I think tracking has been really important,

867
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: especially for me when I'm traveling and stuff a lot.

868
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: I find it so difficult to figure out am I

869
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: tired because I've been moving around a lot, or am.

870
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: I just not getting good quality sleep. I think you've

871
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: got to ask yourself whether that adds to your anxiety

872
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 2: or it helps for you, it seems like it helps you.

873
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think information does for me.

874
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 2: It does for me, but I know there are those

875
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: people that then go, you give me another piece of

876
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: information that's been you know, that's not good and therefore,

877
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: so again, it's just believe in yourself a bit and

878
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: what works for you.

879
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think if you're not able to

880
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: tune in and really hear what your body's telling you,

881
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: sometimes having for me anything takes me out of stress

882
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: if I have the knowledge for it, even if it's

883
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: something that's terrible, even if something is saying you've only

884
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: had one hour's good sleep, at least I have information

885
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 1: in front of me that's been given to me.

886
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

887
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: I feel like knowledge and information is my way to

888
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: take away stress in my life.

889
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 2: Definitely.

890
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: But I understand what you're saying because I do have

891
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: friends who are like, oh my gosh, it says I've

892
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: only had three others sleep. But I don't think I

893
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: could do anything the whole day to day. So yeah,

894
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: I think it depends how it affects you, But for

895
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: short periods of time, I do recommend it to people

896
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: because I think it's a game changer in understanding your body.

897
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay pillar.

898
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: The next pillar that I wanted to talk about was

899
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 1: your energy levels. You know, I think with as much

900
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: as sleep can affect your energy, I think there are

901
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: so many other things that affect your energy. And one

902
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: thing I've really been trying to monitor in my life

903
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: is energy leakage. And what I mean by that is

904
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: when am I doing mentally and emotionally that's impacting my

905
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 1: energy levels? And I've noticed whether it's conversations I'm having

906
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 1: with people and what they're about makes such a difference.

907
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: Am I gossiping about people? Am I talking about things

908
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: that are lower frequency that's actually not fueling me? Like

909
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: I tried to think of everything in my day as

910
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: either this is fueling me or is draining me, and

911
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: we're going to have a balance of both in our life, right. Yeah,

912
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: But there are so many micro things that you can

913
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 1: do throughout your day to make sure that that balance

914
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: is not off. So not doing too many things that

915
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: are draining you at least be even at least have

916
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: the things that are fueling you and draining you so

917
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: you end up at an even playing field.

918
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 2: Well, Also the things that you you know, if you're

919
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: choosing to go out for dinner with friends, you know

920
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: what it's going to do. That's not like a work thing.

921
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you might have to have a meeting with

922
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: someone who or a boss who you know is a

923
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: bit tedious. That's your work. You know, we all have

924
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 2: to do that. But if you're going out, don't choose

925
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: friends who you behind the back or you think they

926
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: are because you've chosen that. So, yeah, but I think

927
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: that's something that you know, a lot of people fall into.

928
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: And I absolutely, I absolutely agree that kind of competitiveness

929
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: comes at certain times people's lives, doesn't it.

930
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 1: Particularly spending time with exactly it makes such a difference

931
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: to your energy levels.

932
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 2: I agree, auditing that all times is absolutely key. And

933
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 2: knowing what good looks like as well.

934
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: I think knowing what good looks like, and that comes

935
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 1: into play with what we were talking about before, right, like,

936
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: when you understand what good quality energy feels like from people,

937
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: you'll notice when people are draining you or when things

938
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: are being yeah, being you know, pressures being put.

939
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: On you and time is sure, you know, we shouldn't

940
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: there shouldn't be any sort of mindful choices that you

941
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: have with people or activities in your life that you're

942
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: not really into. You know, the bar should be high

943
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: where that's concerned, because it's got You have got to

944
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: compromise when it comes to tidying the house or you know,

945
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: dealing with a child having a tantrum or a boss

946
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: who's awkward. So let good Lord, don't choose for it.

947
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: When it comes to a hobby or a friendship or

948
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: whatever else, make sure that those are, you know, as

949
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: much as possible A one plus. So I'm totally with

950
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: you where that's concerned, and I've absolutely ended up. You

951
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: kind of go through life and then you think there's

952
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 2: barnacles that have grown here.

953
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we think about all the things that give us energy.

954
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: With food, like we said, and with exercise, we know

955
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: that they've boost our serotonin levels. But people do too.

956
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: Like we're human beings. We want that energetic connection with

957
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: people and having even if it's just a few people

958
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: in your life that boost your energy when you're around them,

959
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: it's so necessary.

960
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: Definitely, And I think finding things that replenish you and

961
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: knowing everyone thinks I'm an extra bit, but actually I'm

962
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: an intro to get your your energy from being on

963
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: your own and you sort of you plug yourself and

964
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: then and then I want to go out. I don't

965
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: want to be on my own for two weeks and

966
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 2: then I want to go out and speak to people.

967
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 3: But I have to have that.

968
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: And so I suppose knowing that about yourself and.

969
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: Events, and I'm like, one day, one night, I I've

970
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: been out, I've been around people. I'm like, I need

971
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: two days of being being completely by myself and then

972
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: I we energize and then I'm ready to go back

973
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: out again.

974
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 2: I have a I have a little saying and I'll

975
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: say it's my boyfriend and I'll go T m H

976
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: and it means too many humans. Oh.

977
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: I like that.

978
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 2: So it's like kind of code for whether in a

979
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 2: place where it's been we've been at a party, going

980
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: on too long whatever else.

981
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, that's really good. I feel like that's going

982
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: to become a thing. I'm gonna use it too. What

983
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: are the oils? Because I have found great solace in

984
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: essential oils when I'm feeling low energy, especially when I

985
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: get to midday and I need to pick me up.

986
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: For me, peppermint oil has been a game changer. It

987
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: has greatcent too. If I'm feeling sluggish, if even my

988
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: digestion feels a bit sluggish, putting around my belly button

989
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: and putting it on my forehead and it really energizes me.

990
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: What are other sense that you recommend, because you know,

991
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: I think about that in the morning. I have different

992
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: sense that I want to wake me up in the morning,

993
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: and I have citrus sense then, and you know that

994
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: type of thing. I would love to hear your top

995
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: three for energy.

996
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: I love eucalyptus. Oh yeah, because I think it gives

997
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: you energy. But there's two different White and lemon for me,

998
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: is more of a physical energy. Yeah so, but but

999
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: the eucalypse is more of a mental energy. So eucalypses

1000
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: pine pin I can use the same. I can't love

1001
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 2: the fragrance. I have to use a tiny bit of it,

1002
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: quite a fall kind of a green, sort of a

1003
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: little tincture of green, which would be eucalyptus. Have some

1004
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: pine in there, kind a bit of sandal. Would you

1005
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: could have some lemon? Yeah, and that will give you

1006
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 2: a real kind of mental focus. We have a really

1007
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 2: brilliant fragrance called focus the mind, actually, which I thought

1008
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: I really wanted something that was that kind of right,

1009
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: You've got to get your head down here and just

1010
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 2: work for three hours that real kind of your kids

1011
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: are doing a levels and that's a very greeny you know,

1012
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: you can have some lime sometimes where it's quite nicely

1013
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 2: in that as well.

1014
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: I like that.

1015
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: But I think eucalyptus is one of my favorites for that.

1016
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: That's a great sent for that. Yeah, energy eucalyptus. I

1017
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: need to try that one now. I think I've been

1018
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: sticking to peppermin all for too long. I might be

1019
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: becoming immune to it.

1020
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: We'll mix it up and just kind of like think

1021
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 2: of it like a little bouquet, like if you were

1022
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 2: creating you know, a A A in a meal or something.

1023
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: And you're right, it's experimenting with that, like seeing which

1024
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: sense suit you, which sense you end up you know,

1025
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: actually responding to because some sense I smile, Oh this

1026
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: is all right, it doesn't really do much for me,

1027
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: But then there are other sense that really give me

1028
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: the boost or the relaxation that I need back.

1029
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 2: It's like what you need different things, don't you. I

1030
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 2: quite like sometimes and you decide you might want to

1031
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: put some some citrusy sense with it. To make it

1032
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: kind of very light and fresh and sparkling upbeat. But

1033
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: then sometimes if you've got some serious work to do,

1034
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 2: you might put those kind of woody notes with this.

1035
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 2: And it also it gives you that kind of real focus,

1036
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: but sometimes it's kind of a grounding focus.

1037
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: I have sandal wood. Sandalwood is what I burn in

1038
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: the morning for my meditation. That is my meditation smell

1039
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: more than anything else, and I have to say it

1040
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: has been and I love creating connection between scent and

1041
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. I think that's another way. It's almost

1042
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 1: creating these almost mechanisms, like you were saying, where you

1043
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: know that when you're smelling this, this is what's happening.

1044
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 1: It's creating a routine or a channel of our eyes.

1045
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 2: And I think it's a lovely thing to do, you know,

1046
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: in a home, to create that environment for you, your partner,

1047
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 2: your children, your grandparents. It's a it's a really nice

1048
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 2: way of kind of creating an.

1049
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: Energy energy exactly.

1050
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 2: I like doing it for dinner parties, that kind of

1051
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 2: saying zoning different parts of the house.

1052
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're so right, And I think there's a huge

1053
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: connection if you think about scent when you meet someone,

1054
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: or I know, the smell of my mom, like I can.

1055
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: As soon as I smell that, there's a set serotonin

1056
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: comes out.

1057
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 2: I relax.

1058
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 1: My whole body completely changes. Same with when I smell

1059
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: her food. I'm like, okay, I'm home and I feel that,

1060
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: And I think for me, I've created those connections between

1061
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: scents too. So now even if you're far away from home,

1062
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: you smell something that you've put I think that must

1063
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: be so amazing for kids to do as well, Like

1064
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: when kids go away to college or university or whatever,

1065
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: if they've had a smell that brings them back home.

1066
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 2: And we have you so many people who write I

1067
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: get messages all the time from people saying, oh, my

1068
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 2: children off on his first you know, away camp or

1069
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: something and took the pillar miss because a lot we

1070
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 2: buy more, we sell more impacts of four of our

1071
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 2: pillar mist than singularly because people buy them. I suppose

1072
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 2: a lot of them by just to sup to have

1073
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 2: like mum and the dad and you know, children or whatever.

1074
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: And that's a really nice thing. I think, whatever that

1075
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 2: routine is, but getting we talk about self care being

1076
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: something that we're having to now teach adults because this

1077
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 2: is a new thing. But for us to be teaching

1078
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 2: younger generation to just yeah, to have that in it,

1079
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: I think it's that's quite powerful. Yeah.

1080
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: I know when I walk down the street sometimes my

1081
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: dad used to wear old spice, you know that sase

1082
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: whenever I smell, whenever my someone walks past me, or

1083
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: I get a whiff of it, I'm like, oh, that's

1084
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: so nice. But it's just it's sense can take you

1085
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: back to memory.

1086
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 2: They you still fancy the men that wear the lynks?

1087
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, you know. I can't do links

1088
00:51:55,239 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: anymore Africa. That was the one moment when I was younger, exactly. Yeah,

1089
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: S's a beautiful way to connect memories as well. I

1090
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: really I don't remember dates, I don't remember times, but

1091
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 1: I can remember sense, and I can remember the food

1092
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: I ate. And that's pretty much what I based a lot.

1093
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: Of my life. Yeah, I can't date my children in

1094
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 2: that I remember where all their clothes.

1095
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. The next pillar is mood. I think that's

1096
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: the last pillar that we spoke about. And you know,

1097
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: I've studied, like we spoke about spices and food and

1098
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: the impact that it has on mood. Same with the vitamins.

1099
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 1: That we're having in the minerals that we're having. There's

1100
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: so much that we can do to change our mood.

1101
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: And what you said about sleep, I think people have

1102
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: the same thing for mood where they think a lot

1103
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: of people feel like if I'm just in a lone

1104
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: with there's not much I can do about it. It

1105
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: just is I'm feeling this way. There's not much I

1106
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 1: can do to get myself out of it. It's gonna

1107
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: go away itself. But actually, I'd say scent and also

1108
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: many of the other things that we do, there's an

1109
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: ability to shorten that time span that we are feeling

1110
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: in a low mood for. And so what would you

1111
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,879
Speaker 1: say again, uplifting sense or things that you think people

1112
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: can do to really help elevate their mood during.

1113
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: That A totally. I mean, and you know people always

1114
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 2: sort of lump this. This is not about depression, right,

1115
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 2: That's a very different thing.

1116
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: Definitely.

1117
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: This is about sort of very daily, you know, getting

1118
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: yourself in the fond. Yeah, And I think by you know,

1119
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: taking control of that thinking that there are things you

1120
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 2: can do, whether it's you know, making yourself a lovely

1121
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: cake or lighting a lovely candle, it's just nice having

1122
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 2: that control, Isn't it? Definitely mood boosting fragrances. I think

1123
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: orange is a really underrated essential oil which is lovely

1124
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 2: mandarin slightly different, slightly sweeter. I chang my can kind

1125
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: of work in that way as well. I really love that.

1126
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: But those orange sort of fragrances are uplifting in a

1127
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: very sort of how do I say it? I love tuberos,

1128
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: but Tuberos is a very sexy, luxurious essential oil, which

1129
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: also is very uplifting. But orange is almost kind of like,

1130
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 2: you know, the little things are the big things happiness well,

1131
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 2: and I think the fact that it is fruity and sparkling.

1132
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: As well, Like I think it kind of brings a

1133
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: bit of festivity throughout.

1134
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 2: But also I think it makes you because it is

1135
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 2: quite a you know, it's quite a basic fragrance. It

1136
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 2: doesn't make you think I need to have something really

1137
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 2: extravagant to be happy. So Orange and all the form

1138
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: of stories think really work very well. Mimosa is a

1139
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 2: lovely fragrance. Mimosas like you know those little yellow, tiny flowers, Yeah,

1140
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: seeing them, they're very pretty. That is a lovely, uplifting,

1141
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: very light, bright sparkling fragrance. I love that for loads

1142
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 2: of things. Actually, we put that in our happiness fragrance,

1143
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: and I think that is a really really nice Yeah,

1144
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 2: that's lovely and you so you can put that with orange,

1145
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: so that's really really nice. I have some not a

1146
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,320
Speaker 2: vanilla fan, but vanilla, but vanilla. The problem with vanilla,

1147
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: anything I will say is vanilla is generally you smell

1148
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 2: it in a very synthetic way. Yes, so a bit

1149
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 2: like a cake where you put you know, it's a

1150
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 2: big difference between using a proper vanilla pod and you know,

1151
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 2: synthetic vanilla fragrancy. So vanilla is and it's worth people

1152
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: knowing it is a mood boosting. It's quite calming, but

1153
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: it is all about mood. It sometimes can be tempered

1154
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: quite nicely with some sandalwood.

1155
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: What are the women's sprays that we used to Oh, yeah,

1156
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: from super It was just such a deep.

1157
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 2: Musky But not for me. I'm just saying it because

1158
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people do like vanilla, and

1159
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: it's worth them knowing it is a It sits between

1160
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 2: being a mood boosting and a destressing oil. That is

1161
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 2: its property. And if you quite like it, but are

1162
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 2: nervous of that sort of old fashion, sort of eighties

1163
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: nineties synthetic vision. Try it with a little bit of

1164
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 2: sandalwood because it just makes it a bit more earthy.

1165
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's vanilla being that actually, because I think even

1166
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:58,839
Speaker 1: when you think about it in baking or when I'm

1167
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: cooking something, it has this grounding is a heavier sent

1168
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: I think it's like a heavier grounding ascent. Oh nice, Okay,

1169
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: I need to try their vanilla and standlord together now.

1170
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 2: Nice.

1171
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, so, after all that you've

1172
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: been in this what fifteen years the wellness industry more

1173
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: than eighteen years. From all of that and all the

1174
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 1: things that you've tried and tested, what would you say

1175
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: are your three non negotiables for your own wellness? Because

1176
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: you travel a lot as well, by the way, you

1177
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: have a Yeah, you travel a lot. You do you know?

1178
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 1: You work so hard?

1179
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: What are your three non negotiables? Gosh, gotting it down

1180
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 2: three is touper hard. But let me say, getting out

1181
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 2: in nature is a really big thing. I know we

1182
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 2: talk about it a lot at the moment, but I

1183
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: think people think that's like going on a pounding walk

1184
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 2: through a forest, and it can be I have a horse.

1185
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 2: It's my greatest passion luxury. When I'm there, I'm nothing

1186
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 2: other than the horse rider. I'm not me and my

1187
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 2: work capacity or anything else. And so I think whatever

1188
00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 2: that might look like for you, being outside is is

1189
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 2: really really important. And I love city life. I love

1190
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 2: the buzz of London, but that is really really important.

1191
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,479
Speaker 2: So walking the dog, being out is hugely important. Food

1192
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: is a massive part of my you know life. I

1193
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 2: am a big food and I'm really quite greedy, so yeah,

1194
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 2: I do. Yeah, So I think probably that was partly

1195
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: what inspired me to become interested in nutrition, because I'm

1196
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: going to eat this much and you can know what

1197
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 2: in me exactly, otherwise I'll be the size of a

1198
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 2: house quite frankly. So so food cooking is a big

1199
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: part of my life, and latterly it's become more so,

1200
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 2: I think. But connecting, as as you said before, with

1201
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: the right people, and that's a small circle that I

1202
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 2: hold very dear and I love hard and being quite

1203
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: strict about no or thank you. I'll be quite pleasant,

1204
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: but you're not in my a boxy and keeping that

1205
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: a box kind of really you know tight, because I

1206
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: get such huge nourishments from that. And of course there's

1207
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: you know family, you know members are in that. But

1208
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: that's I think, knowing what that looks like and knowing

1209
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: hues in it and knowing you know, the amount you're

1210
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 2: going to give back to those, how important that is

1211
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: for you.

1212
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: That's become you know, there's a great Yeah, I really

1213
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: like them. I have a few quick fire questions to

1214
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: kind of round this up. I'm going to ask you

1215
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: to think too deeply about them. But what's something a

1216
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know about you that you want

1217
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: them to know.

1218
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 2: I'm quite tough.

1219
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel that though, do you. Yeah?

1220
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: I think people think because I run away on this business,

1221
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 2: I'm like floating around in white linen and yeah I know,

1222
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 2: and it's like, no, this is working at Neon is

1223
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 2: the best fun ever. But it's really tough and I'm

1224
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 2: quite tough. And I hate that that's that kind of

1225
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: view of Meravitation that you know, we're just sort of

1226
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 2: all a bit whimsical and a bit oh well, it

1227
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 2: doesn't matter, it might upset you, you know, No.

1228
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: So just no, Niclas tough. Okay, she may be the

1229
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: biggest one is brand in London but she is tough

1230
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: as a cookie or not well, sometimes a vegan extremely

1231
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: tough if it's not made right. What emotion do you

1232
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: find difficult to deal with? And why I have all

1233
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: the emotions out there?

1234
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 2: I don't like being sad. Yeah, I really don't like

1235
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 2: being sad.

1236
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: How do you release emotion? By the way, what's your method.

1237
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: Of much of a crime?

1238
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, not much.

1239
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 2: I talk it through. I think I talk it through

1240
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: with people that I trust. You know, I will talk

1241
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 2: it through. I will, I will speak to I will

1242
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 2: have therapy and then not and then have therapy. And

1243
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 2: I kind of go to therapy a bit. Not for

1244
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,600
Speaker 2: a problem, but it's almost like going to the theater

1245
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 2: for me. I really enjoy it. That's so interesting and

1246
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 2: I learned things. She's just generally about life, so that's helpful.

1247
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't like I think my daughter used

1248
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: to say, from being really little when she was in trouble,

1249
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: she's to go mammy, let's not talk about the bad things,

1250
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 2: let's talk about good things. And that she even now

1251
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 2: still I think we are a bit probably pushed that night, maybe, yeah, fair.

1252
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: When was the last time you had a really good cry?

1253
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 2: I fell out with my son, I had a good cry.

1254
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do that a lot with my Me and

1255
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: my mum have a She's like my best friend. But

1256
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: at the same time she's the person naturally that I

1257
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: can snap at the most or have disagreements with, and

1258
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: so I get really upset with myself when.

1259
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: I do that, especially now.

1260
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it really does matter. What kind of cry are you?

1261
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: So I have made categories of criers. Okay, so there's

1262
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: five different times. There's a loud, ugly cry. We all

1263
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: know what that looks like. It's just it's not cute.

1264
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 1: The breathless where you're just you really can't hear, you

1265
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: know when children do, or you just can't hear what

1266
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 1: they're saying. But there's a lot of breath happening. There's

1267
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: a sniff sniffler and snotty where there's water coming out

1268
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: of every you know, hole in the body, the high

1269
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: pitched where it's just need that they just go up

1270
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: a few octions. That's me And then I'm not crying.

1271
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: Your crying cry where it's like I have something in

1272
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: my eye and you know, I'm not really crying, or

1273
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: the silent crier where it's very composed and no it's

1274
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 1: not that.

1275
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'll try to start with the last, the

1276
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: pronultimate one.

1277
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm crying your crime.

1278
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 2: I try to start with that. Then I think I'll

1279
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 2: go to the one up from.

1280
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: That high pitched yeah yeah yeah, because.

1281
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 2: When you're crying, you try and explain you why you're cry?

1282
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,919
Speaker 1: What's just because mine's always like I think I'm coming

1283
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: on my period. That's literally mine for everything. I'm like,

1284
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: I think, let me just check. I think it must

1285
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: be the time of my period and there it can't

1286
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: be every week because I'm a crier. I cry all

1287
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 1: the time. So for me, I'm like, that's that excuse

1288
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: that needs to change. Now. Well, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for being It's going to be such a great one

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Speaker 1: for people to learn the small things they can adapt

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Speaker 1: to make such a big difference. So yeah, me too,

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Speaker 1: and for anyone who and I'm saying this genuinely, I've

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Speaker 1: looked hard and long time to find sense and pandles

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Speaker 1: to fill my home with that feel uplifting and calming

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Speaker 1: and all the things that you want to feel and

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Speaker 1: make a home into. And I have said NEIM has

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Speaker 1: been a really great tool for that in different parts

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Speaker 1: of my home so I really recommend you check them out.

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Speaker 1: And I'm so excited to have you in the US.

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Speaker 1: Now UK to the US, I know, and I can

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Speaker 1: come over here more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll say holidays, thank you, thank you, my love,

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Speaker 2: thank you,