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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With

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Speaker 1: and welcome to tech stuff. My name is Chris Poulette,

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Speaker 1: Sitting across from me, as always, is senior writer Jonathan Strickland.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, Crispy, insert coin. I'm sorry, that's great. I

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Speaker 1: So you guys who have been with us the whole

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Speaker 1: a galaxy far far away, we talked about um, about

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Speaker 1: That was back when we did episodes that lasted five

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Chris, Chris is just totally lost and that's

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Speaker 1: a couple of iTunes reviews where people said we were

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Speaker 1: who love those games, but they're not you know, I'm

427
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Speaker 1: more of a casual gamer. Uh, you know, because I'm old.

428
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm getting there are Well, I

429
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: really am old, But that's not why. Um yeah, because

430
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Speaker 1: there I I know plenty of people who are forty

431
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: and older who love, you know, shoot them up, plenty

432
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 1: of younger people who love casual games. So I'm teasing,

433
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,200
Speaker 1: but um yeah, it's it's just one of those things

434
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Speaker 1: that I just never got into. So I said, you know,

435
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: I'm I don't really want to play Xbox three sixty games. Um,

436
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: I like some of the the PlayStation three games, but

437
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: it's way too expensive. Um. Actually, you know I should

438
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: say I should point out. You know, longtime fans of

439
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: the podcast will say, wait a minute, you're a Ratchet

440
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,959
Speaker 1: and Claying fan. You should love the PlayStation three and

441
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: that's a shooter. Yes, but it's sort of cartoony, so

442
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: you know, if it's got humor in it, I can

443
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: I can palate the violence a little bit more. Um.

444
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Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, I stand, or I sit corrected in

445
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 1: this case. Um, but um, yeah, I mean the WE.

446
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: I said. I had an opportunity to play the WE

447
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: at a friend's house, admittedly on a projector, so we

448
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: were playing on the side of a wall and I

449
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: just fell in love with it. I said, this is

450
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Speaker 1: really cool. And when actually the same friend found one

451
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: on the shelf and said, hey, you want me to

452
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: grab this for you and pay me back? And I said, yeah, sure,

453
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: you know, two fifty dollars is a good price point

454
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Speaker 1: for me. So um, you know it was. It was

455
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Speaker 1: easy to do, and uh, I like a lot of

456
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: the games. Plus I like the gameplay with the Wii

457
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: remote and the nunchuck. Um, you know, as long as

458
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: you don't fling it into your TV. UM. Plus I

459
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: don't have a high definition television, so it's it's you know,

460
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 1: PlayStation three games are virtually inaccessible to me. Um. You

461
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: know I could, I could use an Xbox three sixty.

462
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: And they actually have made inroads on reaching out to

463
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Speaker 1: more casual gamers. I mean, the Arcade is designed for

464
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Speaker 1: people who like classic arcade style games and and you know,

465
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Speaker 1: games that are not as resource intensive as some of

466
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Speaker 1: the you know, high end shooters. UM. And that that

467
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Speaker 1: has a lot to do with with why I'm a

468
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Speaker 1: wee person that in than I am. It's true a

469
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Speaker 1: little person, UM send hate mail to Jonathan. So I'm

470
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: also I'm also a fan of the Weed. That's the

471
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: only current game console that I own. UH. The main

472
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Speaker 1: reason why I purchased it. I agree, the price was

473
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Speaker 1: a big factor way. And you know, when you only

474
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Speaker 1: have so many hours of the day that you can

475
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Speaker 1: even dedicate to playing a game, you start you really

476
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: start thinking of return on investment. And UH. And also

477
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Speaker 1: I wanted I wanted a system that would be UH

478
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Speaker 1: and more likely find games that my wife would also

479
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Speaker 1: like to play, because you know, that would be a

480
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Speaker 1: way for us to hang out and have fun without

481
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Speaker 1: uh you know, she wouldn't just go and to the

482
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Speaker 1: bedroom and read a book while I'm out there, you know,

483
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 1: fragging people on Halo. So that was nice. Um. I

484
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: was really intrigued by the Wei mode. I wanted to

485
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: see how well they implemented that, and it turns out

486
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: it's pretty good implementation. Of course, they've added more to

487
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: that with some dongles that you can buy plus yes,

488
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: and uh so I was really interested in that. I

489
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: thought that was a neat technology and I wanted to

490
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Speaker 1: see how well it translated, especially for things like you know,

491
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm sitting there thinking in my mind about the

492
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: stuff I would love to be able to do, like

493
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Speaker 1: lightsaber battles. So that was a definitely definite draw for me. Um.

494
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Speaker 1: And yeah, that was the main reason why I looked

495
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: at it, besides the you know, there's the price in

496
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: the gameplay. Um. At this point, I actually am thinking

497
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: about buying another console, and with the announcement of the Slim,

498
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know which one I would go for,

499
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: although I'm leaning more towards the Xbox three sixty now.

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00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: When I talked to you, you said that you were

501
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: actually leaning more towards the slim. Yes, and why would

502
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 1: that be? That would be the three words I mentioned earlier,

503
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: Ratchet and Claim, which is an exclusive. So so that's

504
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: that's a wow, that's the killer app Yeah for me,

505
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: that would be again. Um, actually know there's quite a few.

506
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: There's Halo three well, and some of them are available

507
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: also on the Sony um. But the neat thing is

508
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: that each even for for games that that cross platforms,

509
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: often they have specific content dedicated to just one of

510
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: the two platforms. Uh, Sony wins out in a big

511
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 1: way on one of those because I think it was, Oh,

512
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: which game was that? I want to say it was

513
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: one of the fighting games where you could play as

514
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: either Darth Vader or Yoda, depending on which version you have. Uh,

515
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: it might have been um, oh, soul Caliber that version.

516
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: And so if you have soul Caliber for the Xbox,

517
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: you get Yoda. If you have Soul Caliber for the

518
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: p S three, you get freaking Darth Vader. That's just wrong.

519
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: I would need to get us Sony. He's the baddest

520
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: mofo this side of Alderon, let me tell you. And

521
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: I want to play as Darth Vader. So that may

522
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: be enough for me to get up. Yes, I would

523
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: be willing to bet that. Um. The console manufacturers don't

524
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: really care if you buy the other guys, just so

525
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,479
Speaker 1: long as you buy one of theirs. Two um and

526
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: I think I think the funny thing is we're reaching

527
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: the upper length of our German opera. Um. But I

528
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 1: think that the funny thing is ladies warming up. The

529
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: reason that we got on this subject anyway was when

530
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 1: we were brainstorming, we wanted to talk about next generation consoles,

531
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: and there's virtually nothing that we're privy to that we

532
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: can find out about. Part of it is that Sony

533
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: announced not that long ago that they're just at the

534
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: halfway mark for their the life of their console. But um,

535
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 1: so we're like, we've got another five years of this.

536
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: But um well, I mean, the thing is that the

537
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: specs on these are robust enough where I think they

538
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: could probably make them last a little longer. I think

539
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: they've also learned a lesson that just because you get

540
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: more powerful doesn't mean that you're going to sell a

541
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: ton of consoles. That's not enough to to get the market. Now,

542
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: you have to have more than just horsepower. Yeah, but

543
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: I was gonna spend like a minute and and tell

544
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: you what I thought, or at least start the conversation

545
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: on what I think is going to happen in the

546
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: next generation. And I think it's already started happening. Um,

547
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: I think you've got to have wireless between your between

548
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: the machine and the Internet. You've got to have Internet access,

549
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: but you've got to have wireless Internet access, and you've

550
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: gotta have wireless between that and the remote. You gotta

551
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: have motion sensing. I mean, that's why Microsoft is already Yes,

552
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: that looks amazing. By the way, have you have you

553
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: seen any of the videos and not not very much

554
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: of it, not nearly enough of it, but it looks

555
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: pretty amazing. Pretty if they can if they can really

556
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: tweak that system to work the way that it worked

557
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: at E three when they were demoing it, that is

558
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: gonna be phenomenal. Well. I mean, considering they're talking about

559
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: making that work for the PC and not just for

560
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: the Xbox where it all becomes gesture based, and the

561
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: success of the handheld phone games that use the accelerometer

562
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: like on the iPhone, I think it's just gonna it's

563
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: just gonna happen. Everything from now on is going to

564
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: have that functionality, and I think that they're gonna design

565
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: for basically every market. They're going to encourage developers from

566
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: every walk of gaming because I think that, I mean,

567
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: all the rhetoric we heard coming out of Sony channels

568
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: when WE was announced was oh, this is just a

569
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: kiddie game console. Like, well, they realized that, you know,

570
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: people like to play a variety of different kinds of games,

571
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: and which is why the WE is starting to see

572
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: fighting games, like serious fighting games. No, there's some really

573
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: bloody stuff on the Wii and and that wasn't the

574
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: case early on. And you know you're seeing that, uh,

575
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: Sony and and Xbox developers are starting to develop more

576
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: family oriented party games and party games. So I think

577
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: it's just it's just gonna all diversify. There's just certain

578
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: technical things and certain developer things that you're just gonna

579
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: see on all next generation consoles, no matter who it's from.

580
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: I think ultimately it all boils down to gameplay over

581
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: everything else. And I think that's one of the reasons

582
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: why the WE did so well, is because the WE

583
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: mode was such a revolution in gameplay compared to the

584
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: other systems that it was more compelling to a lot

585
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: of people. Plus cheaper, Yeah, cheaper and more compelling. So

586
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of lessons learned during

587
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: this current generation that you'll see in the next generation,

588
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: and it may it may incur other people to get in. Yeah,

589
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: we'll probably see more integration of other services as well,

590
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: like Netflix and Amazon things like that, so that you can,

591
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, so that it does become more of a

592
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: media center. I mean, we've seen media centers trying to

593
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: make their way in through the gaming market before and

594
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: fail miserably because they were to to uh, narrowly oriented

595
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: and very expensive. But you know, we're slowly moving that way.

596
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the Xbox and Sony are both kind of

597
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: leaning towards that. Nintendo not quite as much, but there's

598
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: still some of that in the Nintendo system as well.

599
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: I was totally gonna get into mobile stuff, but we

600
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: way don't have time. Maybe we should make a podcast.

601
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: Okay in the future, we'll do a podcast about mobile gaming.

602
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: Now we don't have to worry about it for another

603
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: five or six months. Yeah. Uh, well, that brings us

604
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: to our favorite segment, a listener mail. This listening mail

605
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: comes from Greg, and Gregg says, thanks for the Linux podcast. However,

606
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: only losers use Linux. Sigh. I know Chris is terrible

607
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: for saying that. If you recall, I mentioned that Chris

608
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: hate Linux and he says only users losers use it.

609
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: But no, that was me and I was making a joke.

610
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: So I apologize to all Linux users. You are not losers.

611
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: You're all very special and we love all of you

612
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: just as much as our Windows and Matt compatriots. You know,

613
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: it's not your fault that you don't have a real operation.

614
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: The house Stuffwork Systems Engineering team would like to take

615
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: this opportunity to remind Jonathan that we control the servers

616
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: used to serve his podcast, all of which are some

617
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: form of Unix or Linux. We also control his Internet

618
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: access at the office, and as a response to his

619
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: unfortunate comments, and as a service to text stuffs Linux listeners,

620
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: we have right limited him to twenty eight point eight

621
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Speaker 1: kill a bits per second. Sorry, Jonathan, got root kidding.

622
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: Long term fans know that we like that, we like

623
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: to tease, and that's part of the thing is we

624
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: like all kinds of tech, even though we don't all

625
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: always know everything. About it. Speaking about teasing, this is

626
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,959
Speaker 1: a good opportunity for me to mention this. We did

627
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: ask the question in our Linux podcast why is Windows

628
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: seven called Windows seven when you can't make it add

629
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: up to seven no matter how you count it. We

630
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: received lots of interesting answers, most of which conflicted with

631
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,359
Speaker 1: one another, but we did receive a couple of of

632
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: people responded with links to the official answer, which we

633
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: linked to in our blog, the tech stuff Blog. So

634
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: if you want to know the real answer to why

635
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 1: Window seven is called Window seven, visit the tech stuff blog,

636
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: look up the tech Stuff podcast round up for Lenox

637
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 1: and you will find the answer. That also means stop

638
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,080
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