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Speaker 1: for almost forty years. Polanski's lawyer said he has paid

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Speaker 1: But Nancy Grace. The filmmaker pleaded guilty in to one

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Speaker 1: fearing the judge would have him in prison for longer.

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Speaker 1: He lives in France and has a home in Switzerland.

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Speaker 1: The US has tried to bring Polanski back to court,

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Speaker 1: but so far those attempts have failed. A child rapist

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Speaker 1: and he escaped. Now this were an ordinary child rapist

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Speaker 1: crime stories. Thank you for being with us. Roman Polanski,

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Speaker 1: convicted child rapists, wants to come back to the US

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Speaker 1: But he is insisting the only way he'll come back

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Speaker 1: already done enough jail time. What about forty days behind

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Speaker 1: days for raping a thirteen year old child? That child,

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Speaker 1: now a woman, has never deviated from her story about

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Speaker 1: what happened that day. Roman Polanski, the director was forty

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Speaker 1: He wants to grace us with his presence by coming

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Speaker 1: not really. His attorney now asked a judge to stay

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Speaker 1: Polanski has served enough time according to TMZ. The prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: of course, is against this because he could be jailed

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Speaker 1: for up to fifty years on this. This is statutory rape.

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Speaker 1: Many people argue to this day that girls or boys

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Speaker 1: can consent to sex. That's not true. At that age.

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Speaker 1: Why would you be able to consent to sex with

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Speaker 1: Does anything go? I don't think so. Joining me right

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Speaker 1: now is Alan, do you chopping at the bit to

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Speaker 1: A for a few years, but I wasn't there in

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Speaker 1: nineteen seven when this case came down. But this is

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Speaker 1: a classic Hollywood celebrity case gone bad. Yes, the facts,

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Speaker 1: as I understand that, this was a thirteen year old

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Speaker 1: Roman Plansky. And it's something that happens in Hollywood. No,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you mean when it's something that

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Speaker 1: And in nineteen seventy seven it was probably a lot

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Speaker 1: the argument from Polansky's lawyer, the judge had agreed to it.

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Speaker 1: Then Polansky found out that the judge had changed his mind.

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Speaker 1: Why did the judge change his mind? We've got some

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Speaker 1: There was basically misconduct and that okay, just pause pause.

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Speaker 1: Has there ever been a charge against the judge from misconduct?

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Speaker 1: The reason that it had long gone that this is

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Speaker 1: guess no, Polanski's lawyers have made the accusation. Yes, but

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he was skiing too, So he waited, and

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Speaker 1: finally Switzerland decided not to extradite it. Am I surprised. No.

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Speaker 1: I get that. As a crime victim, I completely get that.

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Speaker 1: You don't think that messed up her whole life. Actually,

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Speaker 1: please drive it. She got upset when they asked for extradition.

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Speaker 1: I didn't ask you. Did she go on? All victims

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that, because you cannot be drugged and

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Speaker 1: get back to Roman. Plansky almost said, I don't know

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Speaker 1: google my name in roman Polansky and you'll see the

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Speaker 1: reporting I did ten years ago. This thing is not

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Speaker 1: actually about Roman plants. Point is not going away. It's

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Speaker 1: like the same old tune being recycled with this Roman plans. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is all I can say, Lady Justice. What's Roman

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Speaker 1: Now apparently my friend the Duke Alan Duke thinks otherwise.

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Speaker 1: Well we'll see about that, Alan Duke. Everybody, thank you

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Speaker 1: in Roman Plansky. It'll be a cold day and you

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Speaker 1: know where before I want you back in the country.

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Speaker 1: How about that