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Speaker 1: As President Biden hosts a state visit with French President

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Speaker 1: Lester months in Republican Strategists. They rolled out the red

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Speaker 1: What does it mean for a now active presidential candidate.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is a big win for the d

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Speaker 1: o J. It really puts their case and their ability

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Speaker 1: to investigate and potentially if they want to file charges

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Speaker 1: against the former president, they're able to do that. They're

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Speaker 1: no longer going to be delayed by the Special Master.

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Speaker 1: That's what they were seeking. And again, as we talked about,

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Speaker 1: it's not really a surprise when you listen to what

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Speaker 1: the court in that eleventh Circuit hearing was saying. You

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Speaker 1: had three GOP appointed judges, two appointed by Trump, and

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Speaker 1: they just lamb based did Trump's lawyers over and over again.

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Speaker 1: It's not a surprise that they he lost this, that

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Speaker 1: the Trump team lost this, but it is a big

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Speaker 1: win for the d o J as they move forward

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Speaker 1: on this investigation. Does this Department of Justice Lester have

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Speaker 1: the stomach to indict former president and active candidate for reelection? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, I do wonder that. I think to some extent. Uh,

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Speaker 1: they've got to decide that now, right, are they gonna

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Speaker 1: because this drip drip drip of what seemed to be

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Speaker 1: very really you know, legitimate concerns about the former president's

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Speaker 1: behavior in some ways makes him more relevant inside the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party. He's seen as a victim of the Biden administration.

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Speaker 1: So unless they're going to execute him and win, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure they should be doing what they're doing, Uh,

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Speaker 1: and they should be making that I presume they have

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Speaker 1: made that decision that they are willing to go ahead

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Speaker 1: and prosecute him, uh already, otherwise they wouldn't be going

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Speaker 1: through this process which which only emboldens him. Well, I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what though, I mean when when it comes

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Speaker 1: specifically to the documents case, Lester, it's pretty hard to

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Speaker 1: argue with the evidence we understand that they have, and

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Speaker 1: I suspect they have a lot more than we know about.

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Speaker 1: That's that's true. But of course the devil's in the

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Speaker 1: details in terms of how how they're going to adjudicate

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Speaker 1: this from a prosecutorial sense. Are they Are they going

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Speaker 1: to go after Trump himself? Is there someone else? What

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Speaker 1: kind of penalties would they be seeking for? What kind

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Speaker 1: of malfeasance? I mean that that those details really matter here.

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Speaker 1: And the idea of just kind of throwing the book

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Speaker 1: at him and going for the maximum punishment, because this

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Speaker 1: is offensive to so many people, and it is offensive. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's the best way to handle a

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Speaker 1: formal president. They needed a very clear eyed about what

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Speaker 1: the implications are. The instant analysis from Genie and Lester. Indeed,

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Speaker 1: Trump special Master review halted. There are no days off

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Speaker 1: in Washington anymore. This is Bloomberg you're listening to Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. It's

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Speaker 1: turned into quite a day for the former president. As

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Speaker 1: a federal appeals court this just breaking in the last

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Speaker 1: couple of minutes, ordering an end of the special master

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Speaker 1: review the records from mar A Lago, the top secret records,

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Speaker 1: which could soon free the Justice Department to resume using

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Speaker 1: the documents in its criminal investigation and maywell usher in

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Speaker 1: an indictment. That's not the only thing that's happened in

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Speaker 1: Trump world today. As earlier, the Treasury Department turned over

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Speaker 1: the tax returns. I couldn't believe it. Treasury Department turning

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Speaker 1: over six years of MS tax returns to the ways

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Speaker 1: and means coming. Remember the Supreme Court cleared the way

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Speaker 1: for their release just recently Treasury complied. So it's not

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump with that in the mail or his accountant.

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Speaker 1: The Treasury sent that over and no one seems to

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Speaker 1: know what happens next. Even the Speaker of the House,

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Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi, asked about it today. Don't I don't know

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Speaker 1: what they intend to do. I'd like to know, just

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Speaker 1: as you would like to know. I don't like it.

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Speaker 1: But but I think that give credit to Chairman of

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Speaker 1: the Ways the Mains Committee, Richie Neil. He handled this

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Speaker 1: with dignity. Okay, but let's just push this a little

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Speaker 1: bit further, because either we're going to hear about this

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Speaker 1: by way of leaks or there's going to be some

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Speaker 1: level of public release. Here again, as the speaker, I

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Speaker 1: think the public has a right to know. That's why

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Speaker 1: we should pass legislation requiring candidates to do that. That's

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Speaker 1: why every other candidate has except you know who, and

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Speaker 1: who shall remain nameless here. But but yeah, so I

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Speaker 1: would hope that the public would have the opportunity. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Genie Chanzana and Lester months in our panel today, and

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Speaker 1: I want to hear from both of you on this. Lester,

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Speaker 1: you were, of course a creature of Capitol Hill for

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Speaker 1: some time. The Ways it means committee get six years

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Speaker 1: of tax returns, how long before they're in the media. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised we haven't seen them yet. Uh yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: um it's it's impressive information security they've demonstrated thus far.

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Speaker 1: But look, the point of those tax returns isn't so

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Speaker 1: that Richie Neal can see them or the staff can

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Speaker 1: see them, or some other members can see them. It's

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Speaker 1: so the American people, through their elected representatives, can take

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Speaker 1: a look at at the president's former presidents tax returns.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's it's a great idea to do

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Speaker 1: it this way, To be totally honest, I think everyone

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Speaker 1: knows he's hiding something and there should be consequences for that.

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Speaker 1: I'm a little season a little too political to me,

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Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, this is what's happened,

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Speaker 1: and the point is so people can see them. So

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Speaker 1: let's let's see them. Do you feel the same way, Jennie, Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, they they got them after what three years,

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Speaker 1: and they now have about three weeks, and you have

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Speaker 1: to question with what they're gonna do with them. Are

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Speaker 1: they going to put out a report, you know, at

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Speaker 1: hard press to imagine how they can get that out

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Speaker 1: so fast? They might The justification again, by the way,

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Speaker 1: was to write legislation, right, So maybe I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to get that passed. It's your point in the next

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Speaker 1: three weeks, that's right, they won't get legislation written. They

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Speaker 1: certainly won't get it passed, and they won't get it

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Speaker 1: passed next year. In the new Congress. But that is

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Speaker 1: the point of getting them, and and that is I

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Speaker 1: think something we should all be thinking about. Forget Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: whether he lied about how much he was worth or

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Speaker 1: he didn't pay taxes, he is sort of beside the point.

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Speaker 1: As Nancy Pelosi said, he who should not be named.

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Speaker 1: The real issue is should we require presidential candidates to

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Speaker 1: you know, release their tax information? And similarly, questions, by

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Speaker 1: the way, haven't asked about president's health as we look about,

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Speaker 1: you know, potentially to leading candidates or were in their eighties,

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Speaker 1: should they be required to issue medical records? And you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not taking a position on that, but those are

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Speaker 1: serious questions for the American public. We have an interest

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Speaker 1: in knowing this information. Whether we should or not, Congress

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Speaker 1: should debate and I'm you know, it's a bit frustrating

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Speaker 1: they won't, but I don't think they'll do it in

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Speaker 1: the new Congress. What's your thought here, Lester is does

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump not want people to see the tax returns

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Speaker 1: because they don't He doesn't want him to see that

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Speaker 1: he's not paying taxes, or he doesn't want people to

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Speaker 1: realize that he's not as rich as he claims. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. It could be both of those things. It

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Speaker 1: could be other things. It could be the things that

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Speaker 1: he makes money from. It could be who's paying him.

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Speaker 1: There's you know, there's almost an infinite number of possibilities

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Speaker 1: that he might be embarrassed by. I do want to

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Speaker 1: disagree with jun on one thing. I think this is

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Speaker 1: all about Donald Trump. This is not about public disclosure.

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Speaker 1: This is this has been personal for him. This is UH.

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Speaker 1: Democrats can't not do this. They are so opposed to

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Speaker 1: everything he is and stands for. Santa said, the hell

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Speaker 1: with it. Then I'm not gonna I'm not gonna give

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Speaker 1: you my tax returns either, he said a precedent. Look,

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Speaker 1: there's there's no there's no requirement that politicians turn these

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Speaker 1: things over. There's no legal requirements. There's no constitutional requirement.

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Speaker 1: When you have to want to make what doesn't disclose, well,

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Speaker 1: that's that's fine. There isn't one the idea that you're uh.

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Speaker 1: The voters ought to be able to judge for themselves.

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Speaker 1: If this person isn't going to show me their tax returns,

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Speaker 1: I won't vote for him. That's a perfectly legitimate approach.

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Speaker 1: They did chose not to take that approach. So I

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Speaker 1: do think this this is this is a very personal thing. Yes,

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Speaker 1: there are some other issues involved, but at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, this whole move was personal to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: You disagree with that, Jennie, you're you're the one who

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Speaker 1: brought it up. No, you know, I don't disagree. I

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Speaker 1: wasn't suggesting that Democrats were coming out, you know, in

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Speaker 1: some a political way, and that this would it's about

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. That exactly what should happen because of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: My point is that oftentimes rules and laws are made

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Speaker 1: on the backs of people who aren't so good and

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Speaker 1: aren't so nice, as one of our Supreme Court justices said,

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Speaker 1: And in this case, Donald Trump refused to share his taxes.

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Speaker 1: He was under no compunction too, there's no law. And

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Speaker 1: he did win once and then he lost once. But

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Speaker 1: what I would like to see is Republicans and Democrats

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Speaker 1: having a real discussion, as Lester was just talking about.

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Speaker 1: He may have a different view than me, but having

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Speaker 1: a real discussion about is this the way we want

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Speaker 1: our elections to be run for the person who's going

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Speaker 1: to be elected president of the United States. Let's have

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Speaker 1: that discussion. And my concern is we're not going to

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Speaker 1: have that, and of course it's because of politics, but

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Speaker 1: we won't have that in the new Congress, and I

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Speaker 1: think we should and I also, by the way, think

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Speaker 1: it again about health records as well. Lester Monson and

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Speaker 1: Jeannie Shenzano are panel today with one more for you.

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Speaker 1: We talked about Ted. It was a little bit earlier

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Speaker 1: as he shared a stage, if you will, the public

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Speaker 1: stage with Bernie Sanders and voted for the sick leave.

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Speaker 1: He was not on the side of most lawmakers, however,

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Speaker 1: when he got on stage yesterday to warn that you're

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Speaker 1: threatened to block the National Defense Authorization Act defense funding,

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Speaker 1: Pentagon funding if they did not allow for a floor

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Speaker 1: vote on their proposal. Ran Paul was with him as well,

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Speaker 1: bill to end the COVID vaccination mandate for service members,

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Speaker 1: and his rational was something one of the reasons I

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Speaker 1: believe that President Biden vice President Harris are pushing through

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Speaker 1: this policy is that I believe they're doing this as

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Speaker 1: an effort to purge from the military Conservatives, purge from

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Speaker 1: the military people who don't agree with their political legend.

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Speaker 1: I think they're using it as an excuse for on

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Speaker 1: the enlisted level all the way up to the majors

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Speaker 1: and colonels to the top breast. The reaction came pretty

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Speaker 1: swiftly from the Pentagon. Brigadier General Patrick Writers, spokesman for

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Speaker 1: the Pentagon. We are a war fighting organization, so the

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Speaker 1: be paramount to ensure that our forces are ready and

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Speaker 1: able to conduct their mission. So um vaccinations, whether it's COVID, influenza, anthrax,

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Speaker 1: those kinds of things, We're going to ensure that our

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Speaker 1: forces are properly vaccinated to be able to carry out

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Speaker 1: there more time mission. Is this a real debate, Lester,

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're threatening to slow walk or delay

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Speaker 1: the n d a A with this, But are we

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Speaker 1: really still don't have this debate? And at this point

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Speaker 1: of the game here with COVID, well, I think it's

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Speaker 1: mostly performative. But if at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: if they're just asking for a vote on the floor

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Speaker 1: for a bill, give them, give them the vote. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any harm in that. The logic

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Speaker 1: of what they're doing, of trying to undermine military leadership

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Speaker 1: and look like they're in favor of the troops is

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Speaker 1: similar to what they're doing on the railroad strike some

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Speaker 1: some Republicans and a lot of Democrats where they want

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Speaker 1: to uh say they're for the workers and not for management.

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Speaker 1: So I mean like this is a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a little too far. Business management is okay. Military officers

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Speaker 1: and leadership are just fine with me. I'm not really

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Speaker 1: sure why we're going this far on the argument. Pretty

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Speaker 1: incredible here, and we're talking about funding the military genie

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Speaker 1: and they need a lot of specifics in this new

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Speaker 1: a lot of other matters, and we're going to slow

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Speaker 1: walk this over a vaccine. Yeah, And you know, it

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Speaker 1: also reminds me of Jim Jordan's uh, you know, real

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Speaker 1: tenseens or interactions more than tense with the FBI, where

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Speaker 1: he has been accusing in writing the FBI of purging

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Speaker 1: conservative employees from the FBI, and they have recently, i

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Speaker 1: of what we're going to see in the new Congress

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Speaker 1: as they investigate that. And this is a sort of

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Speaker 1: similar idea that you know, they are the military is

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Speaker 1: somehow trying to purge conservatives from its ranks. So I

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Speaker 1: think this is pertin person of you know, this sort

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Speaker 1: of the fact that in the case of you know,

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Speaker 1: And we're talking about the U. S. Military in the

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Speaker 1: one hand and the FBI on the other. Let me guess, Lester,

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Speaker 1: they're leaving the military and joining Twitter. You don't have

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Speaker 1: to react. Thank you for having a lot with me,

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Speaker 1: Lester Months and Jeannie Chanzano, great panelic, great conversation. Good lord,

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Speaker 1: what did they again? And I'll leave you with this

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Speaker 1: dessert at the State dinner that's just about to get

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Speaker 1: underway tonight. Which would you pick the orange chiffon cake,

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Speaker 1: the roasted pears with citrus sauce, or the creme fresh

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Speaker 1: ice cream? Is there an all of the above? We'll

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Speaker 1: meet you back here tomorrow the Friday edition of The

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Speaker 1: Fastest Hour in Politics. Our signature panel will be with us.

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