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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Before we get started, I just want to make a

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Speaker 1: quick correction from last week's episode on Andrew yang Um.

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Speaker 1: I mistakenly said that his acronym MATH stood for make

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Speaker 1: America Think instead of what it actually stands for, which

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Speaker 1: is make America Think Harder. I must have left that

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Speaker 1: off my notes. I apologize. It's very different um and

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people let me know, so I

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Speaker 1: thank you for that. UM thoughts on this new version

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Speaker 1: of his slogan that's from Sophie's betters Better, It's a

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Speaker 1: much better It makes much more sense than make America

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Speaker 1: make America think as math. The acronym is not an acronym.

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Speaker 1: Make America think harder is an acceptable acronym. I just

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Speaker 1: don't like acronyms as like, Yeah, I don't. I still think.

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Speaker 1: I won't adjust my belief that we should not have

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Speaker 1: make America anything acronyms. Yeah, anybody. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: not intentionally misrepresent your acronym. I don't like that. Don't

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Speaker 1: have consent. When I run for president, my my acronym

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Speaker 1: is going to be man make America not We're just

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Speaker 1: we're throwing in the town thattel. I might have to

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Speaker 1: reconsider my rulegether everything do. Welcome to the worst year ever.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna get through it. Ship. I introduced this

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Speaker 1: bad but I'm Robert Evans and I'm joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my dear friends Katie Stole, Katie Johnston. I'm very

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Speaker 1: strung out. I just got off of thirty hours of flights.

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Speaker 1: I I think I just cough lapped into microphone. I apologize.

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Speaker 1: This is off to a wonderful year, and I are

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Speaker 1: both sick ruined, not just six. I think ruined is fair,

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Speaker 1: Katie forever. This really is a terrible year. Um, we

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Speaker 1: are not even there yet. Maybe I'll have all of

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Speaker 1: my um my immune system will be nice and strong

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Speaker 1: by the time we hit Because it is like the

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Speaker 1: third cold I've had in the last couple of months.

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Speaker 1: I've been licking the door to a public restroom every

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Speaker 1: day just to build myself up for I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to get a flu shot, but I'm gonna rub my

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Speaker 1: face on all public services like yeah, I find We'll

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Speaker 1: just yeah, this is great. I think we're all as

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Speaker 1: strung out gross people ready to talk about Tulat. No,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine that a better mind set for talking

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Speaker 1: about healthy, better mindset, a better physical So I wrote

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Speaker 1: fifteen pages about her. Um, this might be a two parter.

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Speaker 1: We won't know what to get into it. We'll get

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Speaker 1: through it. I had a lot to say or not. Ye,

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Speaker 1: Robert had a lot to say about something shocking. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is o Katie, go on. No, I'm just letting

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Speaker 1: that that fifteen pages is still sinking in my heart.

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Speaker 1: Sank a bit. It's you. As Cody said before we started,

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Speaker 1: this is basically a Behind the Bastards episode. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty sure that. Yeah, I'm waiting to do an episode

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Speaker 1: of the other show about this. Was like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: long haul flight from Korea. So I was piste off

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Speaker 1: and drunk the entire time. And you know how many

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Speaker 1: times do you get to say that sentence? Actually a lot?

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Speaker 1: Oh now, Um, this has not been a very pro

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Speaker 1: politician podcast so far, largely because we're all human beings. UM,

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Speaker 1: but I shouldn't have them at all. Yeah, yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: they shouldn't exist as a thing in our society. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think our listeners are pretty clear. The last two

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Speaker 1: candidates we covered, Joseph Robin and Biden and Andrew Yang,

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Speaker 1: and I think y'all will agree that either man would

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Speaker 1: His annotated version of the bagavad Getter reads like an

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Speaker 1: turtle eternal? No uh no again, Katie, you are spoiling

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Speaker 1: The nineteen seventy issue of the Honolulu Advertiser described Butler

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Speaker 1: were different from same sex marriage, which is like kind

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Speaker 1: of right for the wrong reasons, Like it was a

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Speaker 1: backdoor way of making gay marriage legal. But having a

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Speaker 1: problem with that is kind of dumb, unless your argument

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Speaker 1: is that no, we should just push for full mayyor

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Speaker 1: very recent yeah, not long ago, long ago. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: said she was against gay marriage at the same time

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama was, So I mean, yeah, she's against gay

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Speaker 1: marriage around the same time. I'm most politicians still were. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So it's one of those things. There's an extent to

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Speaker 1: which you do have to remember where things were at

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Speaker 1: the time, but also remember all the other things, all

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Speaker 1: the other things radio. It just seems like they've come

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Speaker 1: from a really a very homophobic and vocally so family. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess my point be fair. So uh Toulci finished

436
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Speaker 1: one term as a state representative and then shocked everybody

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Speaker 1: by joining the Army National Guard and volunteering for duty

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Speaker 1: in Iraq. She spent twelve months there as a medical

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Speaker 1: specialist at a logistical support base called Anaconda. Now. That

440
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Speaker 1: base achieved the nickname Mortaritaville due to frequent insurgent mortar

441
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Speaker 1: attacks and also the mortarita's, which were delicious they only

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Speaker 1: served on on Fridays. I don't like the reason, but

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Speaker 1: clever alright, good nickname? Yeah yeah. According to a New

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Speaker 1: York Magazine write up quote, every day at nine am,

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Speaker 1: she scrolled through an Excel spreadsheet of casualties. These were

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Speaker 1: American troops for whom she was supposed to organize treatment.

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Speaker 1: That daily task. It left an indelible impression on me,

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Speaker 1: she says, understanding behind every one of these names as

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Speaker 1: a soldier sailor. Seeing the volume of people paying the

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Speaker 1: price for war, it caused me to think about those

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Speaker 1: who made a decision to start this war. I wondered

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Speaker 1: if they ever thought about these people. Their families like it?

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Speaker 1: Like it? That's well, yeah, so I think one of

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Speaker 1: the things about her that draws people to her. Yep,

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Speaker 1: that sort of outspoken uh, anti imperialist, anti like regime

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Speaker 1: change wars, just like the understanding the cost of war

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Speaker 1: and not thinking it's a cost that's worth it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: now that's fair and it's it's definitely good to have

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Speaker 1: people in politics who were in wars this country waged

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Speaker 1: and understand the human cost all ra ra about it.

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Speaker 1: That said, it's worth noting that whenever she talks about

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Speaker 1: the human cost of war, she talks specifically of out

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Speaker 1: its cost on American soldiers and American families, and that

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Speaker 1: is very much her focus and that will become much

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Speaker 1: more relevant in a little bit. So by all accounts, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a little bit. By every account I've read, Gabbett was

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Speaker 1: a very good soldier. She deployed a second time to

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Speaker 1: the Middle East to Kuwait, this time as a military

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Speaker 1: police officer, and she left the army as a major.

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Speaker 1: Once she was clear of the military, her political career

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Speaker 1: took off in earnest. She was elected to the Honolulu

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Speaker 1: City Council in two thousand eleven and introduced a measure

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Speaker 1: to reduce parking restrictions for food truck vendors. Her other

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Speaker 1: major legislative achievement was Bill fifty four, which allowed city

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Speaker 1: employees to confiscate private possessions left on public property as

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Speaker 1: long as they gave twenty four hours notice. That's an

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Speaker 1: odd bill, Yeah, the a c. L You protested Bill

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Speaker 1: fifty four, but Tulsi succeeded in getting it passed. Now today,

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Speaker 1: interestingly enough, her campaign website frames the bill as part

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Speaker 1: of her commitment to combating homelessness, saying it was quote

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Speaker 1: concerned with the cleanliness, public safety, and accessibility of public

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Speaker 1: sidewalks for elderly children and the disabled. Okay, So combating

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Speaker 1: homelessness in the fact that we don't want to see

484
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Speaker 1: that problem around with atment to our society. So let's

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Speaker 1: clear it away so that no one sees it. Cool. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I should also add that at the time, Gabbert's political

487
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Speaker 1: opponents UH opposed Bill fifty four because they suspect that

488
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Speaker 1: it was introduced to allow cops in Honolulu to shut

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Speaker 1: down that city's occupy protest and confiscate intents and other

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Speaker 1: property from activists. Now, interestingly enough, Gabried braggs today that

491
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Speaker 1: the bill quote provided a twenty four hour notice before

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Speaker 1: confiscating property stored in the public right of way, which

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Speaker 1: kind of makes it sound like the purpose of the

494
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Speaker 1: bill was to mandate that homeless people had to be

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Speaker 1: warned before their property was confiscated, which is a clever

496
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Speaker 1: way to reframe the fact that she pushed a bill

497
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Speaker 1: that allowed the police to take homeless people's property in

498
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Speaker 1: the first place, right, saying yeah, it's introducing a bad idea,

499
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Speaker 1: but then saying, but at least there's a warning. At

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Speaker 1: least we told them. Yeah. Yeah, And it makes it

501
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Speaker 1: seem like the bill was to mandate the warning as

502
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Speaker 1: opposed to the warning just being part of her letting

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Speaker 1: the cops take their ship. Yeah. Cool. Um. Yeah, It's

504
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Speaker 1: like introducing a bench that like, yeah, has spikes pop

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Speaker 1: out unless you give it money. Yeah, But then being like,

506
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Speaker 1: but like, we give receipts for the bench, we are

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Speaker 1: allowing homeless people to pay to not be impaled. Exactly exactly. Eleven. Hm.

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Speaker 1: I love governments and may have two thousand eleven. Tulci

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Speaker 1: Gabbert announced her candidacy for the incumbent Democratic seat on

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Speaker 1: the House of Representatives forty district. Despite being seen as

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Speaker 1: the underdog, Gabbard one with of the vote. She immediately

512
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Speaker 1: set to work pushing for progressive legislation. In two thousand twelve,

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Speaker 1: she supported the restoration of the Glass Stiegel Act. She

514
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Speaker 1: fought against cuts to Medicare or social Security. She attacked

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Speaker 1: Obamacare for not going far enough, and has consistently been

516
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Speaker 1: an advocate for universal health care. She is anti nuclear energy,

517
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Speaker 1: which I personally think is dumb, but is very consistent

518
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Speaker 1: with most liberal voters in this country. Um to her credit,

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00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: by the time she took national office, Toulci had moved

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00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: further left on a number of important issues. She now

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Speaker 1: pushed to stop the n Essays Bolt collection of data,

522
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Speaker 1: a significant reversal of her earlier policies on surveillance. She

523
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: also came around on gay marriage now. Toulci claimed that

524
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Speaker 1: this was actually due to her experiences in Kuwait, and

525
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Speaker 1: she wrote this on a blog in two thousand eleven.

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Speaker 1: The contrast between our society and those in the Middle

527
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Speaker 1: East made me realize that the difference, the reason those

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Speaker 1: societies are so oppressive is that they are essentially theocracies,

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Speaker 1: where the government and government leaders wield the power to

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Speaker 1: both define and then enforce morality. I began to realize

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Speaker 1: that the positions I had previously. I had held previously

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Speaker 1: regarding the issues of choice and gay marriage were rooted

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Speaker 1: in the same premise held by those in power in

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Speaker 1: the oppressive Middle East regimes. I saw. Now it's good

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Speaker 1: that she came around on that issue. Um yeah, that's

536
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Speaker 1: one thing I like when politicians are actually honest about

537
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Speaker 1: their term. Yeah. I mean like, yeah, I used to

538
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: think this and it was bad, and now I think

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00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: this and oh no, oh no. She turned around on

540
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: what she thought should be allowed, not on what she thought.

541
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Speaker 1: And she turned around on what she knows is expected

542
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: of her publicly versus what you personally believe is right

543
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: versus wrong. Yeah. Now, she also turned around on abortion

544
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Speaker 1: rights and received an endorsement from Emily's List during her

545
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Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve run. I do want to state that,

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00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: and taken on the surface, this is all laudable. Um.

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Speaker 1: I I think, you know, you have to give people

548
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Speaker 1: a lot of leniency when they grow up with parents

549
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: who are crazy extremists. I have a lot of respect

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00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: for people who can make honest change. But as I

551
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: kind of hinted it and stated pretty directly, uh, Telsey

552
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: didn't actually change her my at that point about the

553
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Speaker 1: morality of gay marriage, just about whether or not the

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00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: government should legislate it. Um. She still thought it was wrong.

555
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: She just didn't think it should be illegal anymore. That's

556
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: obviously better than opposing gay marriage. UM. I don't think

557
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: it's great, but it's better. Um. And there's some evidence

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00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: that she's moved on since, although a lot of l

559
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Speaker 1: GPT groups don't really think she's had a mental change

560
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Speaker 1: about it. I don't know personally. Um, she's she says

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00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: the right things now. Um. Yeah, Now. Tulsi's election as

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Speaker 1: the first Hindu American congresswoman and youngest. Uh. Tulsi was

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Speaker 1: elected as the first Hindu American congresswoman and the youngest

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Speaker 1: congresswoman in history. She was thirty one at the time. Um.

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Speaker 1: Her status is a veteran, and the fact that she was,

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Speaker 1: you know, pretty hot made her an instant darling of

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Speaker 1: left wing politics. And I don't bring that up to

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Speaker 1: be uh what's the word? Um? Yeah. I bring it

569
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Speaker 1: up because something comes up constantly in writing about her.

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Speaker 1: People who write profiles about her have to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: Um after her A let should Suzanne Malvo told her

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00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: this on CNN. I can't tell you. How many people

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00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: have mentioned your name and said this is one to

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Speaker 1: look out for. Tell us why, I mean? People see

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00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: you as a rising star. That exact terminology rising star,

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00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: was used by The Washington Post in the ABC two.

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Speaker 1: She was the recipient of a Vogue profile which described

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00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: her as having a fit physique and a smile so

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Speaker 1: warm it's no surprise websites have offered polls rating her hotness. Yeah. Now,

580
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: the DNC chose her to be its vice chairman. Nancy

581
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: Pelosi asked her to speak at President Obama's reelection convention

582
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Speaker 1: in two thousand twelve, and for a while it looked

583
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: too many people like Tulci Gabbard was the bright, shining

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Speaker 1: and shall we say fit future of the Democratic Party. Yeah,

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00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: because of her smile. Now, that seems seems great at

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Speaker 1: this point, and she definitely seemed like in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and twelve like, oh ship, Maybe in another like five

588
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: ten years, this could be a presidential candidate. Um, you

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00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: can see why people would think that. But problems with

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00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: miss Gabbard cropped up rather quickly. Her battles with the

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Speaker 1: Democratic establishment started over her frustration that President Obama refused

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Speaker 1: to use the phrase radical Islamic terrorism when talking about

593
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: the problems of terrorism around the world, Tulsie's time in

594
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: the military had given her what some might call a

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00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: rabid distrust of Islam and Muslims. Her hawkish attitude towards

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00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: Islamic terrorism earned Tulsie Gabbard regular appearances on Fox News,

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Speaker 1: who gleefully embraced her attacks on the Obama administration. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna quote from a Jacobin right up here called Tulsi

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Speaker 1: Gabbard is not your friend. Quote. In one interview, she

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Speaker 1: told the host that the vast majority of terrorist attacks

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Speaker 1: conducted around the world for over the last decade had

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Speaker 1: been conducted by groups were fueled by this radical Islamic ideology,

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Speaker 1: a statement that may be technically true due to the

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Speaker 1: violence and instability plaguing Middle Eastern countries, but as wildly

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Speaker 1: misleading considering that non Muslims make up the vast, vast

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Speaker 1: majority of terrorist perpetrators in both Europe and the United States.

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00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: Um now. The National Review published a profile of Tulsi

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Speaker 1: in April two thousand fifteen. It included quote from the

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Speaker 1: president of a right wing think tank called the American

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Speaker 1: Enterprise Institute saying he likes her thinking a lot. Uh Now,

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Speaker 1: The president of the a EI invited her to that

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00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: organization's closed door retreat later that year. She Corey Booker,

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00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: and John Delaney were the only Democrats to secure invitations There.

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Speaker 1: She got to hang out with famously fund dudes like

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Speaker 1: else is good company and trustworthy and trustworthy. The companies

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Speaker 1: that support this show with their advertising. Patriot all advertisements. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that is good company. Yeah, if I were to hear

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Speaker 1: an advertisement from a company of such high reputation, but

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Speaker 1: use my money for the whatever it is and stuff,

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Speaker 1: promo codes, money, funding, finances, bank accounts, all good things. Wait,

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Speaker 1: was going to be like, like the kids say tea

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Speaker 1: for for for drama these days, right, That's that's how

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Speaker 1: it goes. The kids. They're like, I'm gonna spill some

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Speaker 1: tea and that's the and tolcie is a kind of tea.

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Speaker 1: You're spilling some tolci t Yeah, let's spill is that, Sophie?

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Speaker 1: Are the Are the kids listening now? The kids are

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Speaker 1: definitely listening. The kid. We've got the kids attention. Alright,

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Speaker 1: someone say TikTok and then we'll move on TikTok. All right,

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Speaker 1: nailing it now, gab uh, I love all of you.

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Speaker 1: Gabbard became an outspoken opponent of President Obama's Iran deal.

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Speaker 1: She went on Fox to express her cynicism and agree

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Speaker 1: with gretav An Sustern that the Iran deal was basically

638
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Speaker 1: the same thing as never Neville Chamberlain's Munich Agreement, which

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Speaker 1: is famously seen as enabling Hitler's rise to power, or

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Speaker 1: not rise to power, but you know, rise to being

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Speaker 1: a warlord. I'm gonna quote Jacobin again here. Breitbart gleefully

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Speaker 1: quoted her in headlines expressing many and great concerns over

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Speaker 1: the deal as it was being negotiated. On the daily

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Speaker 1: agreement was finalized, she issued a statement saying we cannot

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Speaker 1: afford to make the same mistake with Iran that was

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Speaker 1: made with North Korea, citing North Korea's abbrogation of the

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Speaker 1: Agreed Framework Agreement it had signed in n when Israeli

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister Benjamin Netan Yahoo delivered his unprecedented speech to

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Speaker 1: Congress in March two thousand fifteen in an attempt to

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Speaker 1: torpedo the deal. Gaber didn't join the significant number of

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Speaker 1: Democrats who boycotted the speech, so she attended it. So

652
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Speaker 1: a bit of a hawk on certain things now. Afterwards,

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Speaker 1: after attending the speech and taking a hard line on

654
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Speaker 1: the Iran issue, she received a Champion of Freedom Award

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Speaker 1: from the Jewish Values Gala, an event held by the

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Speaker 1: World Values Network, which is run by a Trump loving

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Speaker 1: rabbi named Schmooley bow Teach. At the event, she was

658
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Speaker 1: photographed with Schmooley and with Sheldon Adelson's wife, Miriam. So

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Speaker 1: that's good. These are these are good people to be

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Speaker 1: connected to. That's all I'm saying. Through it all, Tulsi

661
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Speaker 1: continued to slam the Obama administration for not blaming Muslims

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Speaker 1: for terrorism, saying this failure was why the administration couldn't

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Speaker 1: come up with a way to stop terrorism forever. We're

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Speaker 1: just not calling it Muslims. Yeah, that's why that's gone forever.

665
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Speaker 1: She's actually fine with drone strikes and special forces raids

666
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Speaker 1: and stuff. It's the not blaming Muslims. That's like everyone,

667
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Speaker 1: every expert is like, don't call it that because it

668
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Speaker 1: plays into their narrative, like it enhances this like macro

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Speaker 1: nationalism of like it's the West versus Islam and that's

670
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Speaker 1: and we're in this existential like battle now, and it

671
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Speaker 1: elevates it to that level. Also, it's what's the word xenophobic, racist, whatever,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's lumping all Muslims as terrorists like that

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Speaker 1: in a way that actually makes it harder for us

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Speaker 1: to work with forces in the region. Like, speaking as

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Speaker 1: someone who's been shot at by Muslim extremists, the people

676
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Speaker 1: who were with me at the time, and in some

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Speaker 1: cases putting themselves in between me and my friends in

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Speaker 1: the line of fire, were also Muslims. Interesting. Yeah, um,

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Speaker 1: now through it all? Oh right, yeah, I already said

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Speaker 1: that part. So yeah, I have a question that maybe

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Speaker 1: you'll get is this I love quick questions. Still her stance,

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's not. Oh yes, so that hasn't evolved, No,

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Speaker 1: it has not. Um. Now, Tulsi told Neil Cavudo that

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Speaker 1: the problem of terrorism around the world was fundamentally about

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Speaker 1: this radical Islamic ideology, which she said needed to be

686
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Speaker 1: beaten military, lee and ideologically. Bright Bart soon picked her

687
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: up as a favorite Democrats, like saying, we need to

688
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Speaker 1: beat up this religion. Yes, yeah, we needed, we need

689
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Speaker 1: to match Jesus Um. That's actually way more Hitlery than well,

690
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: there's some shades of Hitler dam although Hitler was actually

691
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Speaker 1: very pro Islam because he was very anti Jewish and

692
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Speaker 1: there's a lot to say about that, but not and

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Speaker 1: I just meant beat them militarily and you know, philosophically,

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Speaker 1: whatever the words you used, you know what for being

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Speaker 1: against the Iran Deal, because it's similar to the Yes Deal.

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Speaker 1: With Hitler, it's you know, she's an interesting character. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of this going around where you have

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Speaker 1: like an opinion or a stance and it's like, but

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Speaker 1: you know that that's like just because you're replacing like

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Speaker 1: the Jews with Muslims and like these sort of things,

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that the overall point isn't very similar, right, No,

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Speaker 1: it does not. Anyway. In two thousand, fourteen and fifteen,

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00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 1: Gabbert pushed for several deeply regressive bills. In two thousand fourteen,

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Speaker 1: she introduced a bill to halt the visa waiver program

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Speaker 1: for citizens of nations whose people had left to fight

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Speaker 1: with extremist groups. This is one of the things where

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Speaker 1: if you just explain it that way to people, you

708
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: can get a lot of folks on board with UM.

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Speaker 1: But if past, this bill would have forced people from

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Speaker 1: the UK, Germany, France, and basically all of the EU

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Speaker 1: to apply for visas to enter the United States, which

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Speaker 1: is insane. Maybe UM now. In two thousand and fifteen,

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Speaker 1: Tulsi supported a bill that would have banned those on

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Speaker 1: the no fly list from buying guns. And this may

715
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: sound perfectly reasonable to many liberals who tend to support

716
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Speaker 1: anything that they see is restricting the number of people

717
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Speaker 1: who can buy guns, but the implications of introducing gun

718
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: control in this way are actually very terrifying to me.

719
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Speaker 1: The no fly list opera rates with zero accountability and

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Speaker 1: does not respond to due process and the right to

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Speaker 1: bear arms, whether or not you like it, is part

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Speaker 1: of the Bill of Rights. Legally, it's just as protected

723
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Speaker 1: as your right to free speech. And allowing the government

724
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Speaker 1: to take away some one of a human beings fundamental

725
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: rights via a system with no due process is a

726
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Speaker 1: very bad precedent. Um. It's scary when you think of

727
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: the actual implications. It's it's again, these are all things

728
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Speaker 1: that you can get a lot of liberals on board

729
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Speaker 1: with when they don't think through the implications. It's like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: stop people from you know, require visas for people to

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Speaker 1: come here from countries that you know there are people

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Speaker 1: have joined extremist groups. It's like, okay, but you mean

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Speaker 1: the UK shouldn't be able to come here with that

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Speaker 1: a visa. You mean Canadians should require visa to enter

735
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Speaker 1: our country. Yeah, that's wild. Um. And I don't know

736
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Speaker 1: much about the no fly list, but I don't trust

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Speaker 1: that everybody that gets um and like it speaks to

738
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: like her being supportive of that, of the surveillance state

739
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: early on, yes, um and stuff even like with gun control,

740
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: like uh, people always really on board with Like whenever

741
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: anyone mentions, uh, mentally ill people it's a problem, you

742
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: can take their guns away when again, you're not really

743
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: thinking that through and what that means and who is

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00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: categorized as what. Yeah, and if you do think it through,

745
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: there are questions that come up, like can anyone name

746
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 1: a single person who has carried out a mass shooting

747
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: in this country and was on the no fly list.

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Speaker 1: I certainly can't. Yeah. Now, In two thousand fifteen, Tulsi

749
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Speaker 1: introduced a resolution that called for the US to prioritize

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Speaker 1: religious and ethnic minorities when granting refugee status, basically prizing

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Speaker 1: Yazd's and Christians above Muslims when it came to declaring

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Speaker 1: people refugees. Now, it's interesting to me that so many

753
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Speaker 1: people on the left supporter for her supposed anti war stance,

754
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: because if you really dig into her, it's clear that

755
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: she holds basically the same views on unrestricted drone warfare

756
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: as every other neoliberal politician, as well as a lot

757
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: of the same views on how to treat Muslims as

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Speaker 1: many right wing politicians. Um. Here's Jacobin again discussing Gabbert's

759
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 1: responses in an interview the website truth Out. Responding to

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Speaker 1: a question about drones, Gabbard said that there is a

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Speaker 1: place for the use of this technology as well as

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00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: smaller quick strike special force teams versus tens, if not

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of soldiers occupying space within a country. Now,

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00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: she's repeated this point again and again. Responding to questions

765
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: from Honolulu Civil Beat in two thousand twelve, Gabbard said

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Speaker 1: the best way to defeat the terrorists is through strategically

767
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: placed small, quick strike special forces and drones, the strategy

768
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: that took out Osama bin Laden. She told Fox in

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Speaker 1: two fourteen that she would direct the great military that

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Speaker 1: we have to conduct unconventional, strategic precise operations to take

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00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: out these terrorists wherever they are the same year, she

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00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: told Civil Beat that military strategy must put the safety

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Speaker 1: of Americans above all else and utilize our highly skilled

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Speaker 1: special forces, work with and support trusted foreign partners to

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00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: seek and destroy this threat. Uh it was quick strike

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Speaker 1: special forces conducting a strategic strategic precise operation. Jacobin notes

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Speaker 1: that a little less than four months ago killed thirty

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Speaker 1: civilians in a botched rate in Yemen. You might also

779
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: notice that eight years of these policies under Obama didn't

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00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: stop ISIS from happening. Sure, I had noticed that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a lot of these operations seemed to increase the number

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Speaker 1: of people who leaned towards terrors organism. I think that

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00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 1: a lot of these drone stripes kind of radicalized people

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Speaker 1: like pull them into Yeah, well I would be like,

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Speaker 1: thank you for the help. Oh no, I think you'd

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Speaker 1: be yeah, exactly, who doesn't want their wedding? Sorry? The

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Speaker 1: groom was like, this is a special day and it's

788
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Speaker 1: really magical. But what if there were a thermobaric missile

789
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: hitting my mom? That would make it even better than

790
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: they were going for the terrorists and they missed, But

791
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: thanks for trying. So weird that she's like, you don't

792
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: get the sense that she's actually anti war. She's just

793
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 1: an American soldiers dying, which I understand that aspect of it,

794
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 1: but what about that generally anti regular people dying, um,

795
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: and that includes American soldiers. But like, it's it's this

796
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: thing she frames herself as being like this radical anti

797
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: war candidate. But if you're just saying the same, like

798
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: you're saying a mix of the same ship Obama did

799
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: for eight years with very mixed at best success, and

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00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: a lot of the ship people in the right have

801
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: been saying for years with no success, and it's like

802
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: that's not different. Yeah right, it's frustrating to me. Yeah. Yeah,

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00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: it just seems like she would support various wars as

804
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Speaker 1: long as we could just do exclusively from here and

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00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: special Forces raids. Special Forces raids of course. Yeah. Now.

806
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Speaker 1: In spite of all this, or perhaps because of it,

807
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: Toulci Gabbert's popularity among leftists continued to grow right up

808
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: until the two thousand sixteen election. She was an enthusiastic

809
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 1: backer of Bernie Sanders, and he seems to genuinely like

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00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: her as a person and a candidate. Toulcie attacked the

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Speaker 1: d n C for its treatment of Sanders during the election,

812
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 1: which is very fair, and gave Hillary Clinton just about

813
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: the most tepid endorsement imaginable in August of two sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Given the remaining yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not slamming

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Speaker 1: her on this, Given the remaining choices like Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 1: I will be casting my vote for Hillary Clinton, which

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Speaker 1: is basically what I say whenever I have to eat

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Speaker 1: at Jimmy John's, giving the remaining choices like Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 1: I guess I'll eat it. Jimmie donah, I will have

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00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: bread and cheese and a meat. Yeah. The alternative is

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Speaker 1: a Sissler. So yes, I do know scissors got some shrimps. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is not the one. Yeah, this is gonna be what

823
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Speaker 1: ends this podcast we can even recover from we will

824
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: not get through this together, that we're gonna get picketed

825
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: like Toulci Gabbard's family Delhi after her dad attacked gay

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Speaker 1: people on the air. A nice call back. Thank anything

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Speaker 1: that happened. Now. Of course, Hillary Clinton did not become

828
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Speaker 1: the president, and oddly enough, this turn of events worked

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Speaker 1: out very well for Tulsie's career, at least for a while.

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Speaker 1: Shortly after Trump's inauguration, Steve Bannon set up a meeting

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Speaker 1: between Tulsie and the new president. Sources at the time

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00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: told The Hill that Bannon loves her and wants to

833
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Speaker 1: work with her on everything. He saw her as a

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Speaker 1: possible ambassadorial pick or perhaps a good pick for the cabinet,

835
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Speaker 1: saying she gets the foreign policy stuff, the Islamic terrorism stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he does, and this is distinctly untrue. See Tulci Gabbard's

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00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: beliefs on how to fight terrorism are at their very

838
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Speaker 1: best incoherent. She has repeatedly railed against the idea that

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Speaker 1: improving living conditions and parts of the world that hosts

840
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Speaker 1: terrorist groups could do anything to reduce the recruitment of

841
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Speaker 1: those groups. Said that that's not viable option. What, yes,

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Speaker 1: the most basic thing you can do stop violence and crime?

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Speaker 1: What the fuck? Yeah, she's she is not supportive of

844
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,839
Speaker 1: that um and again that Jacobin right up, uh does

845
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: a really good job of picking this apart. In February

846
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 1: two fifteen, Gabert had the chance to question the Director

847
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Speaker 1: of Defense Intelligence Agency, Vincent Stewart. She asked him about

848
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Speaker 1: the debate over how this ideology, how this motivation must

849
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: be identified, and what common elements existed among different Islamic

850
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: terrorist groups, including ISIS, al Qaeda, and boco Haram. She

851
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 1: then went on Fox and reported that Stewart had identified

852
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: very clearly that it is this radical Islamic theology that

853
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: is fueling these groups, but Gabard had heavily distorted what

854
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: Stewart actually said. Well, he did call ISIS a radical

855
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: ideology that must be countered with a moderate ideology. He

856
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: also pointed out that the common elements that had produced

857
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: such groups were ungoverned states, weak government institutions, economic and stability,

858
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: and poverty. When Secretary of State John Kerry spoke at

859
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: Davos and said that some terrorists were lured into extremist

860
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: groups by the promise of regular their meals a paycheck.

861
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: Gabbett attacked him on CNN. She said he completely missed

862
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: the point, calling it a huge mistake, a mistake to

863
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: think quote that somehow, okay, well look if we give

864
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 1: them ten thousand dollars and give them a nice place

865
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,720
Speaker 1: to live, that somehow they're not going to be engaged

866
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: in this fighting now so frustrating. This ignores a lot,

867
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Speaker 1: including the fact that extremist groups like Hamas and Ice

868
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: has explicitly used the promise of wealth to draw in

869
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: young recruits. You only need to read a couple issues

870
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: of Debeik from around the height of the Islamic State

871
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: to see that isis sought to drag draw in poor

872
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: young men by promising them that they'd be able to

873
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: live like nobility and give mansions and quote cars and money. Likewise,

874
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: Hezbollah in Lebanon owes at least some of its power

875
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: to the fact that it provides schools and hospitals to

876
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: people whose government often fails to provide them with basic services.

877
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: But Tulsi doesn't think helping people is the way to

878
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: reduce extremism. What does she think will work well? She

879
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: hasn't been consistent about that. In one speech, she stated

880
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: the problem had to be confronted ideologically by spreading a

881
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: consciousness of love. Her actual actions, though, suggest that she

882
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: prefers a somewhat less hippie dippy tactic, supporting violent dictators

883
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: over their people when those people are Muslims. M hmm.

884
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: It's like like Marian Williamson's approach, but like not, but

885
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, that's just I mean nothing like Marilyn

886
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: was the idea of this. That's just something that she

887
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: grew up with from her CULTI past. That is a

888
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 1: talking point that can be said, like, yeah, we come

889
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: at this with love, but the practicality is is that

890
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: she's supports drone strikes and taking out Muslims, right, just

891
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: like the like, oh, we're gonna solve this with the

892
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: idea of love, but not actually materially improve anyone's life.

893
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 1: What does that mean? Like and add love to their life.

894
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: We're just gonna be like you're hey, good good going.

895
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: It was like, what are you going to be like

896
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: a missionary? It's thoughts like yeah, and there's like beach

897
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: love thing. Yeah anyway, Yeah, it's it's frustratily because if

898
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: you look at some of the stuff that actually helps.

899
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: Like one thing that that is tried in a number

900
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: of places is like, um, there's some some really heroic

901
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: people who have started like after school soccer programs and

902
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: stuff and very poor parts of the Middle East, because

903
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: it's like, look, if you these kids need something to

904
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: fucking do. That's part of what makes them so recruitable

905
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: is there's fucking nothing. There's no money, there's no opportunity.

906
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: If you give them fucking something, it makes them less

907
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: likely to be drawn in by these ideologies. So let's

908
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: let's try and like that is an example of somebody.

909
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: I mean that's confronting the problem with love but also

910
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: with time and with providing something. Right when I was

911
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: in Ireland and Northern Ireland, you know when they're talking

912
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: about before the end of the troubles, like that was

913
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: a thing that you had to like have give the youth, uh,

914
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: soccer games, things that they can go invest in and

915
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: like maybe get to know people they don't necessarily agree

916
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: with your energy, So why football was Yeah, well yeah,

917
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: I talked with back when we're working at corrected at

918
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: a series of articles with a former i RA a

919
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: terrorist who got jailed for mailing bombs two dozens of people.

920
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: And when we're talking about what he radicalized him, Yes,

921
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: a good reason to get jailed. And when he was

922
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: in jail, he was visited by a Protestant priests and

923
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 1: priest in a British member of parliament who de radicalized

924
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: him just by sitting down and treating him like a

925
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: human and talking to him for months. It was like,

926
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: that was what pulled me out of it was these

927
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: people meeting me as human beings and like wanting to

928
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 1: know what had gone wrong in my life and ship

929
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: just yes, for the most part, we paint things. If

930
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: we don't have access to it in our daily life,

931
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: you start to get a general picture of what it

932
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: is instead, and you lose the humanity of who people are. Yeah. Anyway,

933
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: So all of this is to say love can absolutely

934
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: confront terrorism, but it has to be paired with things

935
00:54:55,640 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: besides drone strikes. Drone Uh now, I mean, look, I've

936
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: sucked a lot of predators and uh yeah, the predator

937
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: that the of the drones easily the second or third sexiest.

938
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, yeah yeah good drone really context for that,

939
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: But I am sure I agree with you. Yeah, I'll

940
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: hook you up with the drone dating app that I use.

941
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: Uh damn it. I I should have had a good

942
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: name for a drone based dating app. Oh I got

943
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:44,959
Speaker 1: a boom? Okay Yeah. In two thousand fourteen, Indian Prime

944
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: Minister Narendra Modi visited the United States. Toulcie Gabbard greeted

945
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: him warmly and gifted him with her own personal copy

946
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: of the Bug of a Gita. Moody gave her a

947
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: beautiful message of Krishna for her wedding, and Tulsie gave

948
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: him a CD of music from her wedding. In response,

949
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: Mr Modi invited her to India. Congresswoman Gabbard visited and

950
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: had a friendly meeting with the r s S, a

951
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: right wing Hindu fascist paramilitary organization that Modi supports. The

952
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 1: group views India as a fundamentally Hindu nation where citizens

953
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: of other religions should not hold the same rights. Now,

954
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: that's all pretty fucked up, but the whole situation is

955
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: much darker than that. Narendra Modi is not just a

956
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: far right politician with a paramilitary group at his beck

957
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: and call. He's a mass murderer. I'm gonna quote now

958
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: from a writeup inherits. In two thousand two, Modi was

959
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: the chief minister of the Indian state of Guahara. G

960
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: u j A r A t I I I always

961
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,600
Speaker 1: funk up pronouncing it when fire broke out in a

962
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 1: train full of Hindu pilgrims. This is how the Guardians

963
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,959
Speaker 1: Aditya Chaka Borti describes what followed. Within hours, and without

964
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: a shred of evidence, Modi declared that the Pakistani's secret

965
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: services had been to blame. He then had the charred

966
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: bodies paraded in the main city of Amnabad and let

967
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: his own party support a statewide strike for three days.

968
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 1: What followed was mass bloodshed, a thousand dead on official

969
00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 1: s to bits more than two thousand by independent tallies.

970
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: The vast majority of those who died were Muslim. Mobs

971
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 1: of men dragged women and young girls out of their

972
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: homes and raped them. One of the ringleaders boasted of

973
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 1: how he slit open the womb of a pregnant woman.

974
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: There were clear signs that the attackers benefited from state

975
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: level support. The attackers, armed with swords, machetes or iron bards,

976
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: carried computer print outs listening the addresses of Muslim families

977
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: shops and businesses. According to her report in the Telegraph,

978
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: across the province, a hundred and eighty mosques were destroyed

979
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: or damaged, along with thousands of Muslim owned businesses and homes.

980
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: Colors to police stations were told, we don't have orders

981
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: to save you, and we cannot help you. We have

982
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 1: orders from above. Not thanking me a little emotional? What

983
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: year was this? Two thousand and two? Wow? When the

984
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: massacres brought up to Tulci Gabbard, she tends to say

985
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: things like there was a lot of misinformation that surrounded

986
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: the events in the event, is a fun way to

987
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: refer to thousands of people being murdered and raped. Yeah.

988
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: In two thousand fifteen, Tulsie Gabbert opposed House Resolution four

989
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: one seven, praising India's rich religious diversity and commitment to

990
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: tolerance and equality, and reaffirming the need to protect the

991
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: rights and freedoms of religious minorities. The bill was seen

992
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: as a critique of Moody's anti Muslim policies. Now, it

993
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: would be too much for me to say that there

994
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: was definitely quid pro quo here, But in two thousand sixteen,

995
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: the Indian government announced the Winders the winners of the

996
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: Padma Awards, which are a very prestigious which are very

997
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: prestigious within the Hindu faith. Only two non Indians received awards.

998
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: One of them was why Lana Chris Butler's wife worked

999
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: with Tulci Gabbard's husband and mama for it? Yeah? Oh yeah,

1000
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: I mean I shouldn't laugh like that after talking about

1001
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 1: what was essentially the Muslim equivalent of Christal knock. Yeah,

1002
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: that was terrible story. But you but you got the

1003
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: release valve Reddy Bam put some nas in that tank. Yeah. Um,

1004
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: speaking of genocide, no, something else. Uh, corruption at the

1005
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 1: highest levels of power, getting farther way or closer. Speaking

1006
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: of it's defending dictators. You know who doesn't these ads

1007
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: and products? I hope they don't. I hope they enjoyed.

1008
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: I just learned that our primary sponsor is the app Dictator,

1009
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: which is the word dictator without the O at the end,

1010
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: which is a dating app for dictators. So we should

1011
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: probably re record this. Nope, and yeah, if you've not

1012
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: downloaded it, you probably don't need too. Yeah, but if

1013
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: you want to fuck Rodrigo do Terte, it's the only

1014
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 1: app for that. Together, we're back. You're talking about Tulsi

1015
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: Gab Gabbards. Yep, now tab the old t Gabs tab Gabs.

1016
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: In her defense, she does not just support dictators who

1017
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: offer her Guru the religious legitimacy that he sought for decades.

1018
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: She's just generally a big fan of brutal strongman ruling

1019
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: in parts of the world with large Muslim populations. Over

1020
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 1: the last few years, Tulsi has cultivated a surprising support

1021
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: of the Syrian regime of Bashar al Assad. In January

1022
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen, Tulsi Gabbard received an invitation from Bossum Quamum,

1023
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: a former executive director of the Arab American Community Center

1024
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: for Economic Services or Access. The group wanted to pay

1025
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 1: for her to fly to regime controlled Syrie. Yeah. Gabbett

1026
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: accepted and went on a fact finding mission, which just

1027
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: so happened to include a surprise meeting with Bashar al Assad.

1028
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: When she was critiqued for meeting with a dictator who

1029
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: had murdered half a million people, totally defended herself by

1030
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: saying she felt it was important to take the meeting.

1031
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: I think we should be ready to meet with anyone

1032
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,439
Speaker 1: if there's a chance that could bring about an into

1033
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: this war which is causing the Syrian people so much suffering.

1034
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: I wonder who's causing most of that? Good question, Just

1035
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 1: the war, just vague levil war. Yeah, this conflict individual yea,

1036
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: and serifying people on both sides. No, she's not, there's

1037
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 1: there's fine. Yeah, it's frustrating. Well yeah, um, I don't

1038
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: know what she intended to do on this trip to

1039
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: find facts, and generally isn't meeting. Meeting with people to

1040
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: stop bloodshed is good, even if those people are monsters.

1041
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: But if you're doing well exactly, Yeah, it's well, maybe

1042
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: I should go forward a little bit. Now, there are

1043
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:11,000
Speaker 1: a couple of things that are sketchy here. One is

1044
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: that Qualtum, the guy who um invited her, has some

1045
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: very shady ties to a group called the Syrian Social

1046
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 1: Nationalist Party. You reverse it and it's fine. You reverse

1047
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 1: it and it's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, in a

1048
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: different order. Why don't they just call themselves not Syrians?

1049
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: It's right there, come on, damn it. That is really good. Um. Now,

1050
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: the Syrian Social Nationalist Party is a secular pro assad

1051
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: political party in Syria. As you can probably guess from

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Speaker 1: the name their fascists, but since they're secular and support

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Speaker 1: brutally cracking down on Islamic movements, Tulsie is more or

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Speaker 1: less fine with them. She has called us AD a

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Speaker 1: brutal dictator, but has also written that every Syrian soldier

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Speaker 1: we in our Saudi partners kill is one less soldier

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Speaker 1: available to fight against ISIS. Yes, the real killers in Syria.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's um Yeah, now not that like fuck Isis obviously,

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Speaker 1: but um really missing some key details of this conflict now.

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Speaker 1: Tulsi has also dabbled more than a scouche in war

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Speaker 1: crimes denial. She's refused to name Bashar Lassade as a

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Speaker 1: war criminal in interviews or as an enemy of the

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Speaker 1: United States, and she also used her two thousand twenty

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Speaker 1: campaign website to push conspiracy theories. In a section of

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Speaker 1: the site titled reports on Chemical Attacks in Syria, she

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Speaker 1: states there is evidence that both the Syrian government of

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Speaker 1: Bashar al Assad as well as the armed opposition groups

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Speaker 1: aligned against him, have used chemical weapons during the civil war. However,

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Speaker 1: I remain skeptical about two particular chemical weapons attacks. When

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Speaker 1: it called Chicon on April four, two thousand seventeen, at

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Speaker 1: the other at Duma on April seventh, two eighteen. Both

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Speaker 1: attacks occurred in towns under the control of al Qaida

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Speaker 1: linked opposition forces. Both attacks resulted in multiple civilian asualties,

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Speaker 1: and both were immediately blamed on the Assad government. However,

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Speaker 1: there is evidence to suggest that the attacks may have

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Speaker 1: been staged by opposition forces for the purpose of drawing

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Speaker 1: the United States and the West deeper into the war. Now,

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Speaker 1: Tulsie's skepticism here is based entirely on the work of

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Speaker 1: doctor Theater Postal, a professor emeritus at m I T.

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Speaker 1: He is a regular guest on Russia Today who usually

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Speaker 1: builds him as the m I T professor who doesn't

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Speaker 1: believe Bashar al Assad gassed his own people. Postal has

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Speaker 1: met with Toulci Gabber to talk about the Conchekun and

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Speaker 1: Duma attacks, and if you aren't well read on the issue,

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Speaker 1: his arguments can make a lot of sense, but they

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Speaker 1: are horseship. And I'm gonna quote now from an article

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Speaker 1: written in Bellancat by a guy who was admittedly sort

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Speaker 1: of my boss, Elliott Higgins quote. Postal is a controversial

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Speaker 1: figure with regards to the use of chemical weapons in Syria.

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Speaker 1: He first came to prominence with regards to the topic

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Speaker 1: following the August twenty one, two thousand thirteen Saran attacks

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Speaker 1: and Damascus, where he published a series of claims suggesting

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Speaker 1: the attacks have been staged. He became particularly notorious when,

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Speaker 1: due to his own lack of expertise and chemistry, he

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Speaker 1: approached the conspiracy theorist YouTuber Mariam so siously known as

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Speaker 1: Mimi al Laham, Partisan Girl, Syrian Girl, or Syrian Sister

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Speaker 1: for advice on chemical weapon manufacturing, despite only being a

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Speaker 1: chemistry student. Postal chose this Australian YouTuber, who, as he

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Speaker 1: stated in a two thousand and fourteen interview with the

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist Ryan Dawson, I knew to be a chemist

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Speaker 1: because I was watching her on Twitter. I could see

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Speaker 1: from her voice. I didn't know her and still don't

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Speaker 1: know her that she was a trained chemist to be

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Speaker 1: his only expert when it came to the chemistry of

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Speaker 1: the seren used in the August two thirteen chemical attack,

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Speaker 1: in particular to attack the work of chemical weapons specialist

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Speaker 1: Dan Cozetta regarding the use of hexamine in the Syrian

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Speaker 1: government Serian recipe. Writing for Bell and Cat Cheryl Roefer,

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Speaker 1: a chemical weapon specialist with decades of experience in the field,

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Speaker 1: stated the following about Postals analysis on the advice of

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Speaker 1: sous Le. Postal is operating from a naive set of

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Speaker 1: assumptions based on limited experience in a first year chemistry's

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Speaker 1: chemistry laboratory, presumably the experience of his informant. The result

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Speaker 1: is a wrongheaded approach to the problem and nonsensical demands

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Speaker 1: of Because at a nothing in Postals argument sounds like

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Speaker 1: it was written by a chemistr or someone with a

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Speaker 1: working knowledge of chemistry. So this is Gabbard source. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot more in the article, and I recommend reading

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Speaker 1: that article. Toulci Gabbard's reports on chemical attacks in Syria

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Speaker 1: a self contradictory, error filled mess um. The whole issue

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Speaker 1: of Syrian war crimes denial is too complex and nuances

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Speaker 1: to delve into in more detail in this episode. What's

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Speaker 1: important to understand in the context of Tulci Gabbard is

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Speaker 1: that this is part of a pattern of her apologizing

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Speaker 1: for dictators, and we are not at the end of

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Speaker 1: that pattern yet. You want to guess he's next, Uh No,

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Speaker 1: It's Trump's favorite dictator. It's it's the guy Trump named no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: this is the guy that literally named his favorite yeah.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not joking or like like he literally said

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Speaker 1: my favorite dictator. Yeah No. Abdul Fata l Sissy compliments

1131
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: everybody so much it's hard to keep trying how he compliments.

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Speaker 1: In November two thou fifteen, Tulsi Gabbard traveled to Egypt

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Speaker 1: as part of a congressional delegation and met Egypt's dictator

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Speaker 1: Abdul Fata LCCI. The meeting itself was not a scandal.

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Speaker 1: CC is Egypt's leader, and congress people going to meet

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Speaker 1: with him is not an abnormal thing. What's weird is

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Speaker 1: how praise for Gabbard chose to be about a man

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Speaker 1: who has jailed sixty thousand of his own people for

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Speaker 1: political descent and murdered hundreds more. Gabbard said President LCCI

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Speaker 1: has shown great courage and leadership and taking on this

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Speaker 1: extreme Islamist ideology while also fighting against Isis militarily to

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Speaker 1: keep them from gaining a foothold in Egypt. She urged

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Speaker 1: her fellow elected leaders to recognize CC for his leadership

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Speaker 1: and to stand with him in this fight against Islamic extremists,

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Speaker 1: law and order. Yeah, great, great stuff, told us a

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Speaker 1: strong leadership. I like that. Jail the jail them, jail

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Speaker 1: them all. It's really terrifying. Yeah, that's a lot of

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Speaker 1: dictators to be this praise of UH and just coming

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Speaker 1: back around again to this Islamic extremists and other dyah. Now,

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Speaker 1: of course, Toulci Gabbard is running for president. She has

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Speaker 1: announced that she will not seek re election to Congress. Supposedly,

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01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 1: this is so that she can focus entirely on becoming president.

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Speaker 1: The reality seems to be that she was almost certainly

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Speaker 1: going to get her ass handed to her by her

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Speaker 1: left wing rival in her re election campaign um Now, nationwide,

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Speaker 1: Toulcie has consistently hung in and around one of the vote.

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Speaker 1: Her main marketing focus has been to build herself as

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Speaker 1: an anti war, anti intervention candidate, but she is not

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Speaker 1: anti war. She is anti U S soldiers dying in wars.

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Speaker 1: Her history has shown that she doesn't really care how

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Speaker 1: many non Americans die or live under tyranny as long

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01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: as American boys and girls don't wind up in firefights.

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Speaker 1: That's certainly a stance you can take if you want,

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Speaker 1: But It's not one I find particularly admirable. It has, however,

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Speaker 1: earned her a dedicated base of supporters, including Joe Rogan,

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Speaker 1: who had her on his popular podcast and said, Tulsie

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Speaker 1: Gabbert is my girl. I'm voting for her. I decided

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Speaker 1: I like her. I met her in person. Fuck it now.

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Speaker 1: Her base of support is certainly one of the more

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Speaker 1: confusing ones in modern American politics, and I found a

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Speaker 1: really fun summary of a bunch of her followers at

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Speaker 1: a rally in an Atlantic article. Quote Gabbert supporters are

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01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: a mix of old hippie peacenicks, cryptocurrency enthusiasts, people who

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Speaker 1: obsess over American imperialism, and former Trump voters. They are

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Speaker 1: also people who just love that she's a young woman

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Speaker 1: of color who always talks about what we in Hawaii

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Speaker 1: call that spirit of aloha. As she said at the

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01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: wing ding, aloha means so much more than hello and goodbye,

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Speaker 1: as some of you may be familiar. What it really

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01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: means is love and respect and a recognition that we

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Speaker 1: are all connected, and that we are all children of God.

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01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: We are all brothers and sisters, regardless of the color

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01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: of our skin, or where we come from or who

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01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: we love, or how we worship, or if we worship.

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Speaker 1: At a recent event in Los Angeles, you might, you might,

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01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: you might question that a little. At a recent of

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01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: it in Los Angeles, a woman told Baberte she had

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01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: cancer and attributed it to a wire on her roof.

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01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm now electro sensitive, the woman said. She told Gabber

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Speaker 1: that she lived in her car and wanted to know

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01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,839
Speaker 1: what the candidate would do about Federal Communication Commission standards.

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Speaker 1: This is something I'm looking more into as I'm hearing

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Speaker 1: from people like you who are raising these concerns, Gabbard replied.

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Speaker 1: A sixteen year old the event told that, Yeah, someone

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Speaker 1: else didn't say that. A sixteen year old at the

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01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 1: event told Gabbert he is frustrated that no one seems

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Speaker 1: to care about the concerns of young people. I'm smiling,

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01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: she told him, because I've lost track of how many

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Speaker 1: times I've been told that now. Gabbert has also attracted

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Speaker 1: quite a bit of support from literal Nazis, including David Duke,

1201
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 1: Richard Spencer, and The Daily Stormer, who ran a campaign

1202
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: to drum up the additional donor she needed to make

1203
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: the sixty person threshold to qualify for the most recent

1204
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: round of debates. They told their readers that doing this

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01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: would quote make the Jews go nuts because Gabbert's and

1206
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 1: anti war candidate and they think Jewish people are pro war. Now,

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Speaker 1: I could go into this in more detailed, but I

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Speaker 1: won't because, to her credit, Tulsi has been vehement about

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01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: rejecting these people's endorsement. In November two thousand sixteen, David

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01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: Duke suggested she be made Secretary of State. Toulci Gabbert

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01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:13,520
Speaker 1: immediately tweeted back to him, you didn't know. I'm Polynesian

1212
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: slash Caucasian. Dad couldn't use whites only water fountain, No thanks.

1213
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: Your white nationalism is pure evil. So she has been

1214
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,640
Speaker 1: very consistent in rejecting these funkheads that I'm not going

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01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: to hit her anymore on that issue. Nor do I

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01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: think she's a Russian assets has recently become a She's

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01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,640
Speaker 1: not a willful asset of the Russian government, she's not

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01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: a Manchurian candidate, and she's not working with Putin. That

1219
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 1: was what was so frustrating about that whole thing is

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01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: that it implied that she was knowingly uh colluding with Russia,

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01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: which is nonsense. Like if you're gonna say that, show

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01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: some proof otherwise you're just anyone the status quo or

1223
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 1: like causes issues is seen by a certain uh yeah

1224
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: group of people as being a Russian asset, which makes

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01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: sense I think in their mind because like, yeah, that's

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01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 1: the goal is to sort of destability things. But like

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01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: the idea anybody that's like that is seen but that way.

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01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, she's yeah, like she's she's not a secret

1229
01:12:17,240 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 1: agent or some ship like that. They might like her,

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01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:25,760
Speaker 1: they might they definitely like her undeniably, like evidence of that.

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01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: Putin supporters are work with RT have given her a

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Speaker 1: lot of money. But I just mean, like she's probably

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01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:37,720
Speaker 1: very attractive candidate for them, very exactly than being someone's

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01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,920
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. It's the same thing with her

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01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: the support she's gets from literal nazis where it's like

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01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean she's working with them. We we we

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01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: can look at, well, all of these terrible people really

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01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: like her. That should concern us without saying oh she's

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01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: a sleeper nazis right, look at why and like what

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01:12:56,880 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 1: are the similarities there that might yeah, want I give

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01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 1: you pause, not just like oh yeah, she's going to

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01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 1: all these putin Nazi meetings. Like Russia today has been

1243
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: very consistent about promoting clips from Gabbard speeches where she

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01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 1: urges the US to avoid foreign intervention. Um. And there's

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01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 1: significant evidence that Russian botanuts have worked to help spread

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01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: the popularity of her campaign. UM, which is not because

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01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: Russia is anti intervention. Russia intervenes all over the goddamn

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01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:28,280
Speaker 1: place with soldiers and weapons, and they're very uh happy

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01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: to do so in a number of countries. They just

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01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,760
Speaker 1: don't want the US there because it's competition. UM. So

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Speaker 1: they're fine with Gabbered for that reason, and they want

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01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 1: to support her campaign. Um. That said, I still think

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Speaker 1: the shadiest thing about Congresswoman Gabbared is her relationship with

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01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: cult leader Chris Butler. She has been extremely disciplined about

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01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,799
Speaker 1: avoiding any direct mentions of Butler or admitting ongoing involvement

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01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: with the cult. It is entirely possible that she has

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01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 1: no continuing relationship with Butler and just decided to have

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01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: a campaign almost entirely staffed by his people for some weird,

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Speaker 1: unrelated reason. I tend to have a conspiratorial view on

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Speaker 1: this issue myself, doing in large part to a New

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Speaker 1: Yorker article titled what does Toulsi Gabber believe? Quote? She

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Speaker 1: is resisted telling the story of her spiritual journey this summer.

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Speaker 1: When I asked her about the teacher who led her

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Speaker 1: to Hinduism, Gabbert grew evasive. I've had many different spiritual

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Speaker 1: teachers and continue to she said, There's not one that's

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Speaker 1: more important than the others. No, she said, Now, when pressed,

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Speaker 1: she did admit that Chris Butler was one influence on her,

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Speaker 1: but denied that he was in particularly prominent one. Now,

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Speaker 1: the author of that New Yorker article actually interviewed Chris

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Speaker 1: Butler too, and while he was as well disciplined enough

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Speaker 1: to avoid saying anything damning. Fuck, if it isn't tempting

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Speaker 1: to read between the lines of these next few paragraphs,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote. Butler recognizes the usefulness of a concise,

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Speaker 1: recognizable label, especially in politics, and so he suggested to

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Speaker 1: Gabber to compromise. I told her, why don't you use

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Speaker 1: the phrase transcendental Hinduism. Indeed, during a recent conversation in

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Speaker 1: the congressional dining room, Gabber did precisely that at Gabbert

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Speaker 1: and Butler both say that the Foundation is a resource,

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Speaker 1: not a religious organization. There is no official hierarchy and

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Speaker 1: therefore no system of accountability besides Butler's own conscience and

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Speaker 1: the conscience of those who are devoted to him. And

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Speaker 1: one lecture, he acknowledged the potential for skepticism, offering followers

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Speaker 1: his version of Pascal's wager. If I'm not the representative

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Speaker 1: of God and you dovetail your will with mine, then

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Speaker 1: your life is destroyed, he said. And if I am

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Speaker 1: the representative of God and you don't dovetail your will

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Speaker 1: with mine, then your life is wasted. And yet he

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Speaker 1: allows that he does have disciples who call him Jagad

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Speaker 1: Guru or teacher of the World. What the Jagad Guru

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Speaker 1: title conveys is that what is being taught is not

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Speaker 1: just for a certain group of people. Butler says, it

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Speaker 1: is something that everybody can appreciate, and it's for people

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Speaker 1: all over the world. A Guru, Butler once explained, is

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Speaker 1: supposed to be a bona fide representative of the Supreme Lord.

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Speaker 1: Not coincidentally, Butler speaks lovingly of Gabbert, whom he's known

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Speaker 1: virtually all her life as a girl. He remembers she

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Speaker 1: had a real gravity and seriousness that was beyond her

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Speaker 1: years nowadays. But the regards Gabbard with fatherly pride, likening

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Speaker 1: himself to a music teacher watching a star pupil excel.

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Speaker 1: He's taught one of his students cello, he says, and

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Speaker 1: he sees that, Oh, the student of mine is now

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Speaker 1: playing cello in the Philharmonic Orchestra, and that's beautiful. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it certainly sounds like they continue to have a relationship,

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Speaker 1: even certainly does certainly sounds like some call herself a disciple. Um,

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Speaker 1: he's got a huge amount of influence on her life,

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Speaker 1: and her campaign certainly sounds fucked up. So yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: Tolci Gabbert, friend to dictators, Islamophobe, occasional progressive and possible

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Speaker 1: sleeper candidate for a surfer bro Hindu could leader. Aloha. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is going to be a fucking ride. I don't know

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Speaker 1: why you say aloha. I say aloha goodbye. Uh wow.

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Speaker 1: That was really really interesting and so much about her. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: to start telling you to people when they asked me

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Speaker 1: why I don't like Tulsie, I'm happy to more ammunition

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Speaker 1: because like, and then what's what's after she doesn't get

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Speaker 1: the nomination, you know, because there's where it's terrible for everybody,

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Speaker 1: no matter what. She's been very consistent about saying she

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Speaker 1: would only run as a Democrat. Um, so, at least

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Speaker 1: at this point she's she's saying she definitely would not. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's gone on Tucker Carlson Show to make it clear

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Speaker 1: that she's not going to run as independent. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen. Um, you know

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Speaker 1: you can trust politicians when they say something. Then's the

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Speaker 1: thing everyone says about politicians. Yeah, there's one thing we

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Speaker 1: know about the trustworthy. I love being asked about the

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Speaker 1: the radio waves burning your brain, and her ants are

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Speaker 1: being oh, yeah, we're very much looking into it. We're

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Speaker 1: definitely looking into whether or not those radio waves are

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Speaker 1: burning your brain. Got people looking into it right now.

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Speaker 1: We're very much and we're very much, big league greatly

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Speaker 1: looking at it. In fairness, I'm not sure how you

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Speaker 1: handle that question. If you're like IOE gets that question,

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Speaker 1: like what do you what do you say? Like, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: you're crazy. That's not the right response. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what responses it's just the similarity of like we're very

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Speaker 1: much looking into it. It's like, wow, that is that

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Speaker 1: is a take. Yeah, yeah, okay, cool. Thanks. You guys

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Speaker 1: find this surprising interesting, very interesting? Yeah, some of it, well,

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Speaker 1: actually the cold stuff is very surprising. Actually, that is

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Speaker 1: truly a wild story. Do you want to go to

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Speaker 1: Hawaii and try to join the colt? I do love

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Speaker 1: back from Hawaii. Welcome to the Worst Year Ever? Will

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Speaker 1: join a Hindu transcendentalist cult together and stop gay people

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Speaker 1: from getting married? Everything is so not part Yeah, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: we're doing it. Oh no, no, yeah, we are for sure.

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Speaker 1: Has her father's opinions on gay marriage, her family's opinions

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Speaker 1: that evolved. I don't think so in case the case

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Speaker 1: of her dad, But I really don't. You know, there

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Speaker 1: was only so much time to look into stuff campaigns

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Speaker 1: in that radio show. It's hard to believe that. He Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a hard transition to but I'm sure she's asked

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Speaker 1: him to tone it down. I don't think any one

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Speaker 1: of the families actively fighting against gay marriage now, just

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Speaker 1: because like you know, they're not dumb. They know where

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Speaker 1: the wig blow. Yeah, you gotta you gotta fight against

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Speaker 1: trans rights now that you've lost the game marriage yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: which yeah, and again I'm not sure if their attitudes

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Speaker 1: on that, um, but yeah, Tiga gonna be a funny,

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Speaker 1: funny one. So she's up about three or four points

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Speaker 1: that in that pole I mentioned, Oh good in that

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Speaker 1: one pole on that one day. I don't think poles

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Speaker 1: are worth it. Same um, Thanks so much for the

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Speaker 1: sitting through this long episode, because you guys, you can

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Speaker 1: find us all online at worst your pod on all

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Speaker 1: those social media places, you know, like the instants, in

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Speaker 1: the twitters. I'm Katie Stole. Yeah, you're talk to Mr

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Speaker 1: Cody and you are Robert Evans, and I think we

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Speaker 1: all need piles of medicine and hot. I'm ready for

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Speaker 1: reapping my cold medication. So great, thanks Cody. Al Right, guys,

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Speaker 1: we're out for the week until next time. Remember, if

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Speaker 1: you're going to join the cult, join a cult that

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Speaker 1: surfs everything everything I tried. Dan Love Worst Year Ever

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