WEBVTT - Shirley Locks [4]

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<v Speaker 3>What happened first? You were home from school? About what

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<v Speaker 3>time in the morning was it?

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<v Speaker 4>Matt Jim Claudora Mom.

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<v Speaker 3>See this is Steve Ralford who says one day, when

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<v Speaker 3>he was just a little boy, his mom sent him

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<v Speaker 3>to the store because she was sick.

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<v Speaker 4>Excuse me, dealing driven street, get him kind of shoop,

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<v Speaker 4>you know.

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<v Speaker 5>On the way back, got on the sidewalks Toppee shows

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<v Speaker 5>me photograph.

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<v Speaker 3>Dennis Raider showed you a photograph.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, ma'am, asked me, Did I know who it was?

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<v Speaker 5>I said you no, say I herd look at it again,

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<v Speaker 5>Take it, look at it again. Get back to him,

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<v Speaker 5>you know. About fifteen minutes later, came knocking.

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<v Speaker 4>On our door.

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<v Speaker 5>Me and my brother writes to the door and opened it.

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<v Speaker 3>When Steve answered the door, Dennis Raider was standing.

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<v Speaker 4>There are your parent, comes my mama.

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<v Speaker 6>She shick in bed and proceeded to come on in.

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<v Speaker 6>He forced his way through, turned off TV, and at

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<v Speaker 6>that time, my mama keeps out, what the hell's going

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<v Speaker 6>on here? Reaches under his arm, got the gun. Tell

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<v Speaker 6>those kids to sit on the couch.

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<v Speaker 5>He put some toys and blanket made my mom put

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<v Speaker 5>the toys and blankets and busting and tied the one

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<v Speaker 5>door shut, puts us in there, shut us bed against

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<v Speaker 5>the other door.

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<v Speaker 3>Steve and his siblings were trapped in the bathroom helpless.

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<v Speaker 5>There was a cracking the door. While I look out,

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<v Speaker 5>I heard my mom pleading. When I looked out, she

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<v Speaker 5>can't beating them fucking her mom's hands. She broke a

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<v Speaker 5>fucking bottle in her hands and shit patched it back

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<v Speaker 5>over her head, roped out around her neck, hog tied

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<v Speaker 5>with tape. My brother he broke fucking windows out in

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<v Speaker 5>the bathroom. However, for help, I think I scared him off.

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<v Speaker 5>I broke through the fucking bathroom door.

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<v Speaker 4>My mom was try down town the road. I couldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Steve ran outside and tried to find help. He went

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<v Speaker 3>to the neighbor's house.

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<v Speaker 5>I go aside go to my neighbors that big, big window,

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<v Speaker 5>clean glass door, poun on it, broke it and come

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<v Speaker 5>the door calling on a couple of mom's dead. I

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<v Speaker 5>tried to given call him down. Hain't got time calling down.

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<v Speaker 3>The neighbor called the police and went next door.

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<v Speaker 4>He went down and kicked seem what I was talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm dead?

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<v Speaker 3>Their mom surely was dead.

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<v Speaker 7>Someone killed four members of a family.

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<v Speaker 8>Had you vanished from her home last weekend? Her phone

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<v Speaker 8>lines had been cut, her door left open.

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<v Speaker 9>You see the victim play in there with plastic bags

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<v Speaker 9>over their heads, strangled. You could tell it was a

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<v Speaker 9>planned scenario.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, police have said no more about the contents of

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<v Speaker 8>the letter. It does contain some sort of threat and

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<v Speaker 8>implies the killer may strike again.

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<v Speaker 7>He's gonna play with these victims.

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<v Speaker 10>He'd get him to the point of death and then

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<v Speaker 10>bring them back and then brings them back to the

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<v Speaker 10>point of death.

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<v Speaker 3>From My Heart Podcasts and Tenderfoot TV. I'm Susan Peters

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<v Speaker 3>and this is Monster BTK. The murder of Shirley Vyanne

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<v Speaker 3>Ralford was one of the most unusual and tragic murders

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<v Speaker 3>committed by BTK, and that's because She wasn't even the

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<v Speaker 3>intended target. Vyanne was never supposed to interact with BTK

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<v Speaker 3>that terrible day in nineteen seventy seven. It was just

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<v Speaker 3>another unfortunate consequence of Dennis Raider's lunacy and poor planning.

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<v Speaker 3>Vyanne was a young mother, just twenty four years old,

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<v Speaker 3>who was spending her days raising her three children, Bud, Stephanie,

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<v Speaker 3>and Steve.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in trouble at it in the corner.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Steve Ralford, son of Shirley Vyanne. You heard

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<v Speaker 3>him tell the harrowing story of witnessing his mother's murder

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<v Speaker 3>at the top of the episode. He said his mom

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<v Speaker 3>was strict, but that all of her children adored her.

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<v Speaker 5>A gospel singer, Church mekays take share off for bag Giftea.

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<v Speaker 3>When I talked to you years ago, you told me

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<v Speaker 3>about a song your mama used to sing to you

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<v Speaker 3>before you went.

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<v Speaker 5>To bed, shout and teach, Loune Schatt and build cwn.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't she sing a song too about tears on the pillow?

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<v Speaker 3>Or do you remember that song?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? I probably sing it to you, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>going to.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead so we can hear the word will you

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<v Speaker 3>want to just tell us some of the words?

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Sure? What she sing to you? Chat? And she lou

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<v Speaker 4>sad pillow cud big long cut, I do not have big.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't remember all the words, but it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was a country song.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>What'd she cook for dinner?

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<v Speaker 4>What did you guys like? Efford?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you remember any of that?

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<v Speaker 5>I changed my favorite SKay O b asked she'd always

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<v Speaker 5>feel Margie South.

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<v Speaker 4>That's how.

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<v Speaker 3>While Shirley was raising her children, Dennis Rader was planning

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<v Speaker 3>his next murder. It was nineteen seventy seven, and he

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<v Speaker 3>hadn't killed since Catherine Bright in nineteen seventy four. According

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<v Speaker 3>to the book Confession of a Serial Killer, he picked

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<v Speaker 3>March of that year for his next murder because.

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<v Speaker 11>It relates to threes. It was the third month. It

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<v Speaker 11>was also spring break at WSU in work vacation.

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<v Speaker 3>On March seventeenth, nineteen seventy seven, Saint Patrick's Day. Coincidentally,

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<v Speaker 3>Rader left his house. Here's an excerpt from the book

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<v Speaker 3>Buying Torture Kill, The Inside Story of BTK.

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<v Speaker 12>His primary target this day lived at twelve oh seven

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<v Speaker 12>South Greenswood. If that target didn't work out, just a

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<v Speaker 12>block to the east at twelve forty three South Hydraulic.

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<v Speaker 12>There was an alley behind that address, a place to hide,

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<v Speaker 12>and if those targets didn't work out, he had another

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<v Speaker 12>backup and yet another. He stopped multiple women, switching surveillance

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<v Speaker 12>from one to another for weeks, taking notes, pondering escape routes.

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<v Speaker 12>His not theirs.

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<v Speaker 3>Raider's main target at this address was a woman named

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<v Speaker 3>Cheryl Gilmore. He called her Project Blackout because he had

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<v Speaker 3>spied on her for weeks prior, drinking heavily at nearby bars.

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<v Speaker 3>Raider also discovered that Cheryl lived with two other women.

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<v Speaker 3>If Cheryl wasn't home, surely one of them would be

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<v Speaker 3>there instead. Here are Raiders' own words, quoted in the

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<v Speaker 3>book Confession of a Serial Killer.

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<v Speaker 11>On that particular day, I drove to Dylan's and parked

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<v Speaker 11>in the parking lot and watched this particular residence. And

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<v Speaker 11>then I got out of the car and walked over

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<v Speaker 11>to the door. I knocked, but nobody answered.

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<v Speaker 3>No one was home. Raider got frustrated.

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<v Speaker 11>I was all keyed up over not getting into that

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<v Speaker 11>house on PJ. Green, So I drove and then parked

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<v Speaker 11>and started going through the neighborhood. I had on my

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<v Speaker 11>James Bond jacket, a tweed jacket, and nice shoes. I

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<v Speaker 11>had enough projects I had been watching that if one

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<v Speaker 11>didn't work out, I could just go to another. But

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<v Speaker 11>while I was walking away from the intended house and

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<v Speaker 11>down hydraulic, I saw a young boy coming back from Dylan's.

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<v Speaker 11>I figured he had a mother in the house.

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<v Speaker 3>That young boy was Steve Ralphord. His mother, Shirley, was

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<v Speaker 3>sick with the flume. She had sent him on an

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<v Speaker 3>errand to pick up some soup from the store. Dylan's

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<v Speaker 3>raider approached Steve on his way back home.

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<v Speaker 11>I had a picture in my wallet of my wife baby,

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<v Speaker 11>so I used it to pretend I was looking for them.

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<v Speaker 11>I asked if he had seen them. I knew he

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<v Speaker 11>wouldn't know them. He told me he didn't, but I

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<v Speaker 11>watched where he went.

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<v Speaker 3>Next raider waited about fifteen minutes before approaching the door.

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<v Speaker 3>Finally he knocked.

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<v Speaker 11>This boy opened the door with his brother. I told

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<v Speaker 11>them I was a private detective and showed them the picture.

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<v Speaker 11>I carried a blue briefcase large enough for my hit kit,

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<v Speaker 11>cord tape, plastic bags, a gun, but not too large

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<v Speaker 11>to be noticed when I carried it on the street,

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<v Speaker 11>like I was a salesman or a businessman.

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<v Speaker 3>Steve was just a little boy, six years old. He

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know better, and even if he was older and

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<v Speaker 3>more prepared, he couldn't have predicted that this man was

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<v Speaker 3>a murderer. After Steve opened the door, he didn't really

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<v Speaker 3>respond to Raider's speech about being a detective. So Rader

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<v Speaker 3>forced his way through the doorway and brandished a gun.

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<v Speaker 3>Shirley heard the commotion from the other room and came

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<v Speaker 3>out to see what was going on.

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<v Speaker 11>I told her I had a problem with the sexual

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<v Speaker 11>fantasies and I was going to tie her up. I

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<v Speaker 11>pulled down the blinds and turned off the TV. I

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<v Speaker 11>said I would tie up the kids first. I decided

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<v Speaker 11>to put the kids in the bathroom and shut the door.

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<v Speaker 11>We put toys and blankets in there for them. She

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<v Speaker 11>told the kids to do whatever I said. I tied

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<v Speaker 11>the door shut, but the kids were still yelling. She

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<v Speaker 11>helped me to shove a bed against the door. Then

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<v Speaker 11>I proceeded to tie her up.

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<v Speaker 3>First, Rader used electrical tape to bind her hands and feet.

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<v Speaker 3>Then he used cores and nylon stockings to tie up

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<v Speaker 3>her ankles and wrists even tighter, and he placed her

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<v Speaker 3>face down on the mattress. All the while, steven siblings

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<v Speaker 3>were banging on the door and screaming. Raider threatened to

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<v Speaker 3>shoot them, so they quieted down, and then Shirley Vyanne

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<v Speaker 3>got sick and vomited on the floor.

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<v Speaker 11>I think my being there had made her worse. She

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<v Speaker 11>was partially tied when I got her a glass of

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<v Speaker 11>water and comforted her a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>After Rader finished tying up Shirley Vyanne, he pulled a

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<v Speaker 3>plastic bag around her head and began to strangle her

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<v Speaker 3>until she died.

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<v Speaker 11>I used white plastic bags, garbage size that you could

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<v Speaker 11>buy in a roll. I like the ones in a box,

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<v Speaker 11>using plastic gloves, I folded them neatly and placed them

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<v Speaker 11>in another bag. That bag would go with me in

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<v Speaker 11>case it had fingerprints or material on it.

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<v Speaker 3>The room became more chaotic when suddenly the phone rang.

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<v Speaker 3>It startled Rader, and the kids started to scream and

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<v Speaker 3>bang on the door once again. Rader decided it was

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<v Speaker 3>time to go. He packed up his hit kit and

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<v Speaker 3>left the house. He didn't realize the kids had escaped

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<v Speaker 3>through the bathroom window and were running around the neighborhood

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<v Speaker 3>yelling out for help.

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<v Speaker 9>The kids were able to get out. They broke out

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<v Speaker 9>the window and were able to escape. We worked with

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<v Speaker 9>the children as best we could.

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<v Speaker 3>This is former Wichita Police Chief Richard Lemonnion. He says

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<v Speaker 3>the Wichita Police Department was called by a neighbor who

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<v Speaker 3>found Steve and his siblings running around outside. When police arrived,

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<v Speaker 3>they questioned the children, but it was tough to get

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<v Speaker 3>much out of them.

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<v Speaker 9>One of the children I think was six or eight,

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<v Speaker 9>but he was intellectually challenged, and so we did work

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<v Speaker 9>with him to try to get some ideas. We did

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<v Speaker 9>get the fact that it was a white male. We

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<v Speaker 9>knew also he had a bag, which stands to reason

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<v Speaker 9>because he'd brings the tape, he brings the rope, he

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<v Speaker 9>brings the guns, he brings everything he needs the bags.

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<v Speaker 9>So we were able to establish that. We had specialists

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<v Speaker 9>work with the children, but again that was to no avail.

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<v Speaker 3>Lemunion says the kids were too stunned to formulate coherent recollections,

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<v Speaker 3>which is understandable given their age and the situation. Still,

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<v Speaker 3>it took investigators a while to figure out what happened,

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<v Speaker 3>as Lemunion says, they discovered Vyanne's body, along with all

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<v Speaker 3>of the rope tape and one of the bags that

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<v Speaker 3>BTK left behind. They also found seamen at the crime

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<v Speaker 3>scene where the killer supposedly masturbated. Police immediately noticed the

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<v Speaker 3>similarities to previous BTK murders. Responding officer Raymond Fletcher was

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<v Speaker 3>quoted as saying, it looks like the same thing as

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<v Speaker 3>the O'to case. A few more officers reportedly also expressed

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<v Speaker 3>their suspicions at the crime scene, but according to the

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<v Speaker 3>book Buying Torture Kill, police were hesitant to officially connect

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<v Speaker 3>the crimes.

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<v Speaker 12>Supervisors told them to stop guessing and work the evidence.

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<v Speaker 12>If BTK had killed Shirley Vyanne, it meant he was

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<v Speaker 12>a serial killer, and the brass didn't want to leap

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<v Speaker 12>to that conclusion or set off a panic.

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<v Speaker 3>Le Monnion says he had a hunch that was the

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<v Speaker 3>same person who killed the Otos, but ultimately he decided

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<v Speaker 3>not to release an official statement connecting the murders. He

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<v Speaker 3>didn't want to give BTK any incentive to kill again,

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<v Speaker 3>and he didn't want to create a frenzy. He says

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<v Speaker 3>his main objective following the Vane murder was to protect

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<v Speaker 3>the people of Wichita from further tragedy.

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<v Speaker 9>The big thing that weighs on you is the fact

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<v Speaker 9>that this is going to happen again. You know what's

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<v Speaker 9>going to happen again, and that's what frustrates you to

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<v Speaker 9>the point that what else can I do to protect

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<v Speaker 9>the community. It's not so much that I'm worried about

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<v Speaker 9>my children, because I can protect them, but it's the

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<v Speaker 9>other single moms. It's the other people that can't protect themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>While investigators were busy in making sense of the Buyan murder,

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<v Speaker 3>Steve Ralford's life had been turned upside down.

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<v Speaker 11>After that.

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<v Speaker 5>We went to Posha home and my grandparents. They had

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<v Speaker 5>to have a bunch shit. They come gays from okah huh,

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<v Speaker 5>and that's what in my fucking trouble. Well, he started

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<v Speaker 5>guarded smoking, shooting dope with Data nine, bringing age of six.

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<v Speaker 4>I ain't I don't know, camera rebellious. You can give

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<v Speaker 4>shit about nothing or nobody.

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<v Speaker 3>When you went to your grandparents' house after the Foster home,

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<v Speaker 3>was there any kind of therapy or I.

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<v Speaker 5>Mean they try to give me therapy. I've become remillions.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I said, I thank her My brother and sister,

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<v Speaker 5>they both and draw the yesesile of their life.

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<v Speaker 3>Me.

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<v Speaker 4>They said I was too fucking smart. What might be

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<v Speaker 4>a smart?

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<v Speaker 11>Ask me?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not smart.

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<v Speaker 3>My heart breaks for Steve Ralford. Over the years, I've

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<v Speaker 3>gotten to know this man well and watch him try

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<v Speaker 3>over and over again to overcome the tragedy of his

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<v Speaker 3>mother's death. Yes, it spiraled him out and sent him

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<v Speaker 3>down a path of self destruction, but I've also watched

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<v Speaker 3>him heal and come to terms with the events of

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<v Speaker 3>his life. Steve has spent the last many years slowly

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<v Speaker 3>pulling himself up, and I'm just happy that I've gotten

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<v Speaker 3>to know him and to be alongside him in his

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<v Speaker 3>journey to recovery.

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<v Speaker 5>Nowadays, that family I had two kids, more about I

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<v Speaker 5>can't do shit.

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<v Speaker 4>And hard.

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<v Speaker 3>The unfortunate reality is that Steve was just one of

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<v Speaker 3>many people whose lives would be destroyed by BTK. Because

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<v Speaker 3>Shirley Vanne was far from the last BTK victim. Only

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<v Speaker 3>months later, this time BTK would strike again.

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, you will find a homicide forty three, Ny Fox,

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<v Speaker 13>I'm sybody to address.

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<v Speaker 9>Shirley was killed in March of seventy seven, and in

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<v Speaker 9>December of seventy seven Nancy Fox. Nancy was killed.

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<v Speaker 3>Raider had discovered Nancy Fox on another of his prowls

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<v Speaker 3>through the streets of Wichita. He would drive around and

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<v Speaker 3>scope out women that might make good targets. He was

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<v Speaker 3>still reeling from the high of the Shirley Vyanne murder,

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<v Speaker 3>and one day he discovered Nancy walking into her apartment

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<v Speaker 3>at eight forty three South Pershing. She was coming home

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<v Speaker 3>from her job at the nearby mall. Raiders spent weeks

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<v Speaker 3>following her to and from work. He determined that she

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<v Speaker 3>lived alone and would be the perfect project. On the

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<v Speaker 3>evening of December eighth, nineteen seventy seven, Raider left home,

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<v Speaker 3>telling his family that he'd be studying at the WSU library.

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<v Speaker 3>Around nine pm, Raider left the library and parked two

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<v Speaker 3>blocks down from Nancy's apartment building. He grabbed his hit

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<v Speaker 3>kit and walked up to her door. Here are Raider's

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<v Speaker 3>words from the book Confession of a Serial Killer.

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<v Speaker 11>I knocked first to see if anybody was home. I

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<v Speaker 11>had studied her work routines and knew she arrived at

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<v Speaker 11>a particular time. I just wanted to be sure. Nobody

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<v Speaker 11>answered the door, so I looked around, went around to

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<v Speaker 11>the back of the house and cut the phone lines.

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<v Speaker 11>I cut the window, broke in and waited in the kitchen.

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<v Speaker 3>Raider recalls seeing Christmas decorations throughout the apartment. She was

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<v Speaker 3>very clean and tidy, something he liked about her. He

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<v Speaker 3>waited and waited until finally.

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<v Speaker 11>She came in. She was startled. She asked what I

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<v Speaker 11>was doing there After, we confronted each other. I told

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<v Speaker 11>her I traveled a lot. I meant no real harm.

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<v Speaker 11>I had a sexual problem. I wanted sex. I would

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<v Speaker 11>tie her up and take a picture. She took her

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<v Speaker 11>park off. I believe it was white or cream colored.

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<v Speaker 11>As she laid her park it down, I began to smoke.

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<v Speaker 11>I sat on the couch and she sat on a

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<v Speaker 11>chair on the west side of the living room. She

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<v Speaker 11>was upset.

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<v Speaker 3>According to Rader, Nancy said something to the effect of,

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<v Speaker 3>let's get this over with so I can call the police.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a mistake.

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<v Speaker 11>She sealed her doom for sure when she told me

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<v Speaker 11>she would contact the police. I wore no mask or

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<v Speaker 11>anything to hide my face. I had to kill her.

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<v Speaker 3>At this point, Rader says Nancy asked to go to

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<v Speaker 3>the bathroom. He said yes, but instructed her to remove

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<v Speaker 3>her clothes. After she returned, he handcuffed her, bound her

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<v Speaker 3>feet at the ankles, and gagged her.

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<v Speaker 11>I got on top of her, and then I reached over,

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<v Speaker 11>took a belt, and then strangled her with it. That's

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<v Speaker 11>all I needed with a victim in bondage. The act

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<v Speaker 11>of strangling brought gratification quickly along with a victim struggling.

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<v Speaker 4>This guy wanted to be in position.

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<v Speaker 10>I was like, God, he's going to determine whether or

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<v Speaker 10>not you're get to live when you got to die.

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<v Speaker 10>He's going to play with these victims and torture these

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<v Speaker 10>victims psychologically and physically.

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<v Speaker 3>This is former FBI profiler John Douglas. He says that

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<v Speaker 3>the murder of Nancy Fox was a prime example of

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<v Speaker 3>Raider's peculiar mo because Raider didn't just strangle Nancy until

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<v Speaker 3>you died.

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<v Speaker 10>This guy wasn't killing him right away. He'd get him

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<v Speaker 10>to the point of death and then bring them back,

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<v Speaker 10>and then brings them back to the point of death.

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<v Speaker 11>Fox passed out. I had her come back, and I

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<v Speaker 11>whispered in her ear a little bit I told her

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<v Speaker 11>I was BTK, I was a bad guy. This was

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<v Speaker 11>the torture thing. You can visualize being tied up and

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<v Speaker 11>knowing that something's going to happen to you and you

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<v Speaker 11>can do nothing. That's my torture. What he was doing.

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<v Speaker 10>It was very similar to some other cases we've seen,

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<v Speaker 10>like this kind of torture where they'll strangle and you

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<v Speaker 10>can see marks on the throat where there's kind of

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<v Speaker 10>like skid marks.

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<v Speaker 4>And what it is.

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<v Speaker 10>It's they're using ligature strangulation and then the ligature will

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<v Speaker 10>be released at the point where they're unconscious. They wait

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<v Speaker 10>for them to regain conscious, and then they put it

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<v Speaker 10>on their neck again, and so you see that there'd

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<v Speaker 10>be several marks on the victim's throat. It's just for

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<v Speaker 10>the sake of again playing God's part of the torture.

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<v Speaker 3>The murder of Nancy Fox was also another example of

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<v Speaker 3>Raider killing a woman in a sexual way without actually

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<v Speaker 3>having sex with them. He once again chose to masturbate

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<v Speaker 3>rather than engage in penetrate of sex, and for someone

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<v Speaker 3>like John Douglas, this was telling.

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<v Speaker 10>He was getting a sexual euphoria from the acts that

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<v Speaker 10>he was doing and killing was part of that. Sexual

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<v Speaker 10>penetration on.

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<v Speaker 4>The victims was absent.

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<v Speaker 10>He would stand over then and ejaculate onto the victims. Well,

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<v Speaker 10>I would find out later on sexually penetrating or having

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<v Speaker 10>sex with him, that would be like cheating on his wife.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the thinking of these people.

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<v Speaker 10>And I'd be cheating on my wife if I do that.

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<v Speaker 10>But if I masturbated the scene, I mean that's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>The murder of Nancy Fox was all so yet another

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<v Speaker 3>example of Raider trying to deceive the victim. Remember he

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<v Speaker 3>told Nancy Fox some story that he was just passing through.

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<v Speaker 3>He had told Steve Ralford he was a private detective

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<v Speaker 3>for Douglas. This was also a good indicator of the

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<v Speaker 3>type of killer that Raider was him.

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<v Speaker 10>And another case is they'll come up with a story

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<v Speaker 10>to control them, to make them settle down. Don't worry,

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<v Speaker 10>I'm not going to hurt you. The story was he

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<v Speaker 10>would go in there like he's escapee. He's committed a crime.

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<v Speaker 10>I need your car, I need your food, and I'm

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<v Speaker 10>not going to hurt you, and want some money. Then

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<v Speaker 10>they will allow him. When you hear that, the emotion

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<v Speaker 10>goes down and he starts binding him up and then

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<v Speaker 10>decides to do the things he really wants to do

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<v Speaker 10>with him, and that is to bind him up and

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<v Speaker 10>kill him, kill him slowly.

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<v Speaker 3>Clearly, the goal in each of these cases was twofold.

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<v Speaker 3>One to the victim down and keep the situation under control.

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<v Speaker 3>Two to fill a twisted sense of power by lulling

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<v Speaker 3>the victim into a false sense of security. According to

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<v Speaker 3>John Douglas, Raider's patterns should have been clear to the

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<v Speaker 3>local investigators by this point, and in fact, Wichita PD

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<v Speaker 3>could no longer ignore the fact that this was BTK.

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<v Speaker 9>He left semen in a neglige beside her. She was

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<v Speaker 9>laying face down on the bed, and he obviously took

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<v Speaker 9>some pictures while he was in there, took a driver's license.

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<v Speaker 3>This is retired Wichita Police Chief Richard Lemunion Again. He

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<v Speaker 3>said he was shocked to find another BTK murder so soon,

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<v Speaker 3>and this time his attitude changed about addressing the BTK

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<v Speaker 3>problem publicly.

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<v Speaker 9>It was after Nancy that I made the decision we

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<v Speaker 9>need to do officially give him credit, stopping keeping from

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<v Speaker 9>doing anything else.

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<v Speaker 3>And police would get plenty of opportunities to do just

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<v Speaker 3>that because BTK decided he wanted to communicate once again. First,

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<v Speaker 3>not long after the murder, nine to one to one

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<v Speaker 3>dispatch received a strange phone.

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<v Speaker 13>Call, good if you will find a homicide forty three stop,

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<v Speaker 13>I'm going what is your address?

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<v Speaker 9>The dispatchers received a call indicating he said you will

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<v Speaker 9>find a homicide and gave the address and her name.

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<v Speaker 9>That's the communications that we got from him through the dispatch,

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<v Speaker 9>which was obviously taped, so we tried to follow up

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<v Speaker 9>on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Le Monnion says the call came in just after a

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<v Speaker 3>on the morning of December ninth. They immediately sent someone

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<v Speaker 3>to investigate the source of the payphone call.

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<v Speaker 9>The phone that he used was outside of a grocery

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<v Speaker 9>store was on Central Street and there was a firefighter

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<v Speaker 9>who was off duty, and then he had just walked

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<v Speaker 9>out of there. The investigator went back about the time

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<v Speaker 9>the call came and firefighter came up and said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>I saw a guy, and he was able again to

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<v Speaker 9>tell us about a white male. That's when it became

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<v Speaker 9>so clear that this was a game they was playing,

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<v Speaker 9>but he was using innocent people and he was killing

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<v Speaker 9>them and he was going to kill again. We had

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<v Speaker 9>to gear up. What else can we do, And that's

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<v Speaker 9>the frustrating part. What else can we do?

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<v Speaker 3>Using a public payphone and his own voice was a

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<v Speaker 3>monumental risk, But BTK loved the thrill. He loved it

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<v Speaker 3>so much, in fact, that he followed it up with

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<v Speaker 3>another letter in January of nineteen seventy eight, once again

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<v Speaker 3>addressed to the Wichita Eagle.

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<v Speaker 9>Actually was a poem. He sent us a poem on

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<v Speaker 9>Shirley Surely thy In sure you have seen.

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<v Speaker 11>The poem Shirly locks, surely locks? Wilt thou be mine?

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<v Speaker 11>Thou shalt not scream nor yet to feel the line,

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<v Speaker 11>but lay on cushion and think of me and death

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<v Speaker 11>and how it's going to be.

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<v Speaker 3>For whatever reason, this poem flew under the radar. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 3>the mail room team at The Eagle thought it was

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<v Speaker 3>just some bizarre prank, and so it wasn't reported to

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<v Speaker 3>police or connected to BTK, at least not yet.

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<v Speaker 9>And then in February a letter from BTK was sent

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<v Speaker 9>to Cake TV claiming responsibility for Surely and for Nancy.

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<v Speaker 14>Good afternoon.

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<v Speaker 15>This morning k T they was contacted by the person

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<v Speaker 15>who police say they believe murdered four members of the

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<v Speaker 15>Joseph Otero family in January of nineteen seventy four, executive

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<v Speaker 15>producer Ron Lowan receive the letter. He's with us today

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<v Speaker 15>to give us the information, ron Jack.

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<v Speaker 16>The communication came in the form of a two page

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<v Speaker 16>typewritten letter addressed to Kake Channel ten. It was signed

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<v Speaker 16>with the initials BTK. BTK claims to have strangled a

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<v Speaker 16>total of seven women, seven people, rather mostly women. He

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<v Speaker 16>provided a list of his victims, beginning with the number five,

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<v Speaker 16>where he wrote you guessed the.

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<v Speaker 11>Victim and the motive.

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<v Speaker 16>Then he listed Shirley Vyanne as his sixth victim and

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<v Speaker 16>provided a paragraph of details concerning the murder, with many

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<v Speaker 16>details known only to the police.

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<v Speaker 3>Hake received the letter on February ninth, nineteen seventy eight,

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<v Speaker 3>along with the poem we told you about in episode

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<v Speaker 3>one called Oh Death to Nancy. It also included crude

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<v Speaker 3>hand drawings of the Nancy Fox crime scene. The letter started, I.

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<v Speaker 11>Find the newspaper not writing about the poem on vanne

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<v Speaker 11>Unamusing a little paragraph would have been enough. I know

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<v Speaker 11>it's not the news media's fault. The police chief he

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<v Speaker 11>keeps things quiet and doesn't let the public know there's

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<v Speaker 11>a psycho running around loose, strangling mostly women. There's seven

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<v Speaker 11>in the ground. Who will be next?

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<v Speaker 3>Later in the letter, he mentioned Nancy Fox by name.

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<v Speaker 11>There is no help, no cure except death or being

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<v Speaker 11>caught and put away. It's a terrible nightmare, but you see,

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<v Speaker 11>I don't lose any sleep over it. After a thing

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<v Speaker 11>like Fox, I come home and I go about life

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<v Speaker 11>like anyone else.

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<v Speaker 3>Then he brought up the matter of his own moniker.

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<v Speaker 11>Before a murder or murderers, you will receive a copy

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<v Speaker 11>of the initials BTK. You keep that copy, the original

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<v Speaker 11>will show up someday on guess who You may not

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<v Speaker 11>be the unlucky one. Ps. How about a name for me?

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<v Speaker 11>It's time seven down and many more to go. I

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<v Speaker 11>like the following. How about you? The BTK strangler, Wichita Strangler,

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<v Speaker 11>poetic Strangler, bond age strangler, the Wichita Hangman, the Wichita Executioner,

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<v Speaker 11>the Garat Phantom, the exphyxiator.

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<v Speaker 7>It was a Saturday morning and the postcard had come

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<v Speaker 7>into our mail room, and so the station manager and

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<v Speaker 7>I took the postcard down to the Wichita Police Department

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<v Speaker 7>and we gave it to the police, and we asked

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<v Speaker 7>to talk to him about this because obviously something was up.

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<v Speaker 3>This is KKE TV anchor Larry Hadiberg, and.

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<v Speaker 7>So he went into a room with his chief detective,

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<v Speaker 7>shut the door. After about a half hour, came out

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<v Speaker 7>and he told us that he wanted to go on

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<v Speaker 7>our air that night at about six o'clock in the

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<v Speaker 7>evening and tell the people of Wichita that the serial

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<v Speaker 7>killer was loose. We were shocked. Wow, this is incredible.

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<v Speaker 9>I went to KTV with the idea that what we

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<v Speaker 9>wanted him to do was communicate with us. And I

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<v Speaker 9>have to tell you at that time we had great

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<v Speaker 9>rapport with the reporters at KKTV, their higher ups, and

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<v Speaker 9>with the newspaper. I mean that's the time and history

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<v Speaker 9>when really we were partners. We had to have the media.

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<v Speaker 9>This was his communication network. So we encouraged him to

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<v Speaker 9>communicate until we could find out who this individual was.

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<v Speaker 7>So obviously we went back to the television station, prepared

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<v Speaker 7>the newscast and waited for the police chief to come

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<v Speaker 7>and sure enough he shows up, goes on the air

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<v Speaker 7>and says, we have a serial killer in Wichita. Here's

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<v Speaker 7>what we know about him.

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<v Speaker 16>But with us right now is Chief of Police Richard Lemoniam,

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<v Speaker 16>who has been reviewing the letter since this afternoon, and

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<v Speaker 16>I have a couple of questions, Chief, how can you

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<v Speaker 16>be sure that the BTK letter is authentic.

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<v Speaker 17>Or on After reviewing the contents of the letters? Absolutely

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<v Speaker 17>no question that the only person who would have the

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<v Speaker 17>type of information that was included in the letter would

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<v Speaker 17>have to be the killer himself.

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<v Speaker 16>Do you know what the initials BTK stand for?

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<v Speaker 14>Is?

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<v Speaker 17>It's our feeling that the initials that were placed there

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<v Speaker 17>stand for buying, torture and kill. We have an individual

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<v Speaker 17>who apparently has the uncontrollable desire to kill at times,

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<v Speaker 17>he is not a rational person during that frame of mind.

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<v Speaker 17>So I think an undo or a special awareness on

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<v Speaker 17>the part of the citizens be alert call us when

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<v Speaker 17>they have any type of information that they feel could

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<v Speaker 17>be relevant, even if it seems at the time very insignificant,

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<v Speaker 17>it might be just exactly.

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<v Speaker 11>What we need.

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<v Speaker 3>The race to catch BGK now included the media as

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<v Speaker 3>purveyors of public information. They cooperated with police to try

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<v Speaker 3>and find the now infamous killer.

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<v Speaker 14>Last February, police Chief Richard Lemonnion ask KKE TV to

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<v Speaker 14>run us second picture in one of our news reports

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<v Speaker 14>psychologists were hoping BTK would unconsciously detect the subliminal message

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<v Speaker 14>and follow its instructions. It's the same principle as splicing

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:13.880
<v Speaker 14>shots of popcorn into a movie to make the viewer hungry.

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<v Speaker 14>Subliminal messages of all kinds are illegal, but Cake was

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<v Speaker 14>given special permission by the.

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<v Speaker 7>SEC to air the report. And here's what it looked like.

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<v Speaker 9>That's the Catherine Bright murder that occurred in April of

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<v Speaker 9>seventy four.

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<v Speaker 14>When we slow the picture down electronically, you can see

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<v Speaker 14>the subliminal message. The message shown here, still framed, urged

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<v Speaker 14>BTK to call the chief.

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<v Speaker 11>He did not.

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<v Speaker 3>As a journalist, it's a tricky balance when working with

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<v Speaker 3>the police. On the one hand, we have to be

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<v Speaker 3>purely objective and remain independent from any agency authorities included.

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<v Speaker 3>On the other hand, when police need your help to

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<v Speaker 3>track down a killer, you feel a certain responsibility to

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<v Speaker 3>help them.

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<v Speaker 7>We had, for the most part, good relations with the

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<v Speaker 7>police department, but in journalism you're always going to rub

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<v Speaker 7>knuckles with them at some point, and we did.

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<v Speaker 3>This is former Cake TV anchor Larry Hadiberg.

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<v Speaker 4>Again.

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<v Speaker 7>Anytime we got anything related to BTK, we turned it

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<v Speaker 7>over immediately. We would get it, we would photograph it,

0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:33.080
<v Speaker 7>we would call a PD and they would have it.

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<v Speaker 7>So we turned everything, we had, everything we knew over

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<v Speaker 7>to the police department because we wanted to cooperate. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>we're not standing in the way of catching anybody, and

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's important for a local television station to

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<v Speaker 7>be part of a solution. We tried to work with

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<v Speaker 7>them and the FBI and anybody else and at the

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<v Speaker 7>same time be professional journalists. There's no manual written on

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<v Speaker 7>how when you become part of the story that you

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<v Speaker 7>react to every given situation. You're really flying by the

0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:11.399
<v Speaker 7>seat of your pants and trying to make the right,

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<v Speaker 7>most honest decision at every point in time and hoping

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<v Speaker 7>you're doing the right thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Following that big news broadcast, a tip line was made public,

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<v Speaker 3>and Richard Lemonian says it blew up almost immediately.

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<v Speaker 9>When we announced the fact that we did as a

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<v Speaker 9>serial killer. We had hundreds, literally hundreds of tips, and

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<v Speaker 9>we put additional officers, additional detectives to run every one

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<v Speaker 9>of those tips down.

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<v Speaker 3>Meanwhile, Dennis Rader was getting scared once again. The overwhelming

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<v Speaker 3>attention spooked in so he decided to lay low and

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<v Speaker 3>stop sending letters temporarily. Besides, he had other matters to

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<v Speaker 3>worry about. His second child and only daughter, Carrie, was

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<v Speaker 3>born in nineteen seventy eight.

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<v Speaker 8>So I grew up in Wichita, Kansas. We lived in

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<v Speaker 8>Park City. It's a small northern suburb of Wichita. It's

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<v Speaker 8>about five thousand people. I lived nine houses down from

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<v Speaker 8>my mom's parents, Eileen and Palmer dates.

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<v Speaker 3>Carrie recently visited the Tenderfoot Studio to talk with Payne Lindsay.

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<v Speaker 3>She says she has fond memories of growing up in Wichita. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>she was unaware of the chaos of the time. She

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<v Speaker 3>only knew her father, Dennis as a regular dad.

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<v Speaker 8>By the time I was toddling, he would like take

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<v Speaker 8>me out gardening. I was three or four. He was

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<v Speaker 8>teaching me about all the plants, the vegetables, growing seasons, soil.

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<v Speaker 8>Anything Dad was doing I wanted to do. He loved

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<v Speaker 8>the outdoors, so he was cool and let me get muddy.

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<v Speaker 8>He had this big, huge, like green gardening book and

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<v Speaker 8>in the winter we would like do Burpy's Calloggs, so

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<v Speaker 8>we would like pick out seeds and plan. He was

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<v Speaker 8>obsessed with gardening when I was little.

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<v Speaker 3>But Carrie also remembers peculiar things about Dennis from her childhood.

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<v Speaker 3>For example, he would have these unpredictable bursts of rage

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<v Speaker 3>and anger, and he could never sit still.

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<v Speaker 8>My mom would always tell him when we were growing up,

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<v Speaker 8>can't you just sit down for five minutes?

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<v Speaker 15>You know?

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<v Speaker 8>He always had to be busy, always active. He always

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<v Speaker 8>had like the Wichita eagle out, like he was marking

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<v Speaker 8>it with these markings or cutting things out of it,

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<v Speaker 8>or he was always messing with something. Later on, he

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<v Speaker 8>would have his stamps out. Saturday nights were sitting down

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<v Speaker 8>to watch a movie. We're popping popcorn and having pop.

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<v Speaker 8>Everyone else is just choosing a comfortable chair to watch

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<v Speaker 8>a movie. And now he's setting up the card table

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<v Speaker 8>to do something like he had to do something. He

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<v Speaker 8>couldn't just like relax because he could be controlling and

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<v Speaker 8>angry and verbally abusive at times. I learned early how

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<v Speaker 8>to like get him to relax, which was hell well,

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<v Speaker 8>like with my mom, she knew how to say, Dennis,

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<v Speaker 8>just go outside to your garden. Why don't you take

0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 8>the dog for a walker, Why don't you go fishing

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 8>this weekend?

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<v Speaker 18>How did your mom know when to say that?

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<v Speaker 8>Because he was tight and he was tense. His eyes

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:19.799
<v Speaker 8>would narrow and like he's about to yell, or he

0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:22.840
<v Speaker 8>is yelling. He's making your life uncomfortable. Like later we

0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:25.160
<v Speaker 8>said it was like walking on inkshells at times with him.

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<v Speaker 3>Ironically, Carrie says Dennis was very protective over her and

0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:35.719
<v Speaker 3>her mother. He was obsessed with safety, always worried that

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:39.319
<v Speaker 3>an intruder might break in and harm them.

0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 8>He had dead bolts on our front door and our

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:43.880
<v Speaker 8>back door.

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<v Speaker 18>In the kitchen, and why was that.

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<v Speaker 8>So he worked for eighty t so I feured he

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<v Speaker 8>was security conscious because he knew about alarm systems. He

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:54.560
<v Speaker 8>knew about people breaking into homes. He was making home

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<v Speaker 8>for more secure with alarm systems.

0:41:56.920 --> 0:41:58.800
<v Speaker 18>But what do you think he was protecting you from

0:41:59.160 --> 0:41:59.840
<v Speaker 18>bad guys?

0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:02.520
<v Speaker 8>But literally, it's like he's so messed up. It was

0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:05.080
<v Speaker 8>almost like he was protecting us from him. But it's

0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:08.240
<v Speaker 8>because he knew how bad people could be. When I'm little,

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 8>he's teaching me these things. So you're not supposed to

0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:15.440
<v Speaker 8>be telling kids about like home invasions. He's telling me like, well,

0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:17.759
<v Speaker 8>the kitchen door isn't that great? Because the windows too big,

0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:19.440
<v Speaker 8>and somebody can just punch out the glass and then

0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:21.680
<v Speaker 8>they can reach in. But if it's dead bolton and

0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:23.359
<v Speaker 8>the key's not in, then they can't get in. They

0:42:23.400 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 8>got to lake jam the door. More so, I'm learning

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:28.799
<v Speaker 8>this when I'm like little. It it's imprinting because it's

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:31.440
<v Speaker 8>over and over and over with this man. He's telling

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 8>me when I'm little, don't open the door to strangers.

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.480
<v Speaker 8>Question them, make them show you like they're badger. They're

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.319
<v Speaker 8>telling you they're a cop or a maintenance man. Check

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:44.840
<v Speaker 8>their uniform. He is obsessively trying to keep me safe.

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<v Speaker 18>It seems like, at least from what I'm picking up,

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 18>that you sort of look at your dad as two

0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:56.240
<v Speaker 18>different people. So my question is this is kind of weird.

0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:59.279
<v Speaker 18>But going back to being like a six year old

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<v Speaker 18>hindsight looking back, do you feel like the BTK killer

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:06.399
<v Speaker 18>would have ever harmed you?

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 13>I don't know.

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:11.960
<v Speaker 8>That's one of those big questions. Part of my ability

0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:14.200
<v Speaker 8>to survive and do what I need to do now

0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 8>is to compartmentalize. So like with my father, I have

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:21.839
<v Speaker 8>to put Dad in BTK like day to day now,

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:24.319
<v Speaker 8>I don't think of my dad as BTK I can

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:26.520
<v Speaker 8>separate it, or I'm not really even thinking about my dad.

0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:28.880
<v Speaker 8>I'm living my life as a mom and writer and

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:33.120
<v Speaker 8>whatever I'm doing right, My dad's my dad. He could

0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:36.360
<v Speaker 8>be mean and mad, but most of the time ninety

0:43:36.360 --> 0:43:38.160
<v Speaker 8>five percent of the time he's like my best friend.

0:43:38.680 --> 0:43:40.279
<v Speaker 8>And my brother will say the same thing he was

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:41.120
<v Speaker 8>like his best friend.

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<v Speaker 3>While Raider was raising his daughter, he was also planning

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<v Speaker 3>yet another murder. By April of nineteen seventy nine, he

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<v Speaker 3>was still taking classes at Wichita State, and he used

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<v Speaker 3>this as an excuse to his family for late night absence.

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<v Speaker 3>One night, he spotted a twenty four year old woman

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<v Speaker 3>named Rebecca walking into a nearby house. A few nights later,

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<v Speaker 3>Raider got to work after classes. On the night of

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<v Speaker 3>April twenty eighth, Raider approached the home. Here again are

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<v Speaker 3>his words from the book Confession of a Serial Killer.

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<v Speaker 11>I also cut the phone line in my trademark. I

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<v Speaker 11>used tape on the window where I broke in, and

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<v Speaker 11>perhaps a glass cutter, which I now carried in my kit.

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<v Speaker 11>Since the house was dark when I came, I thought

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<v Speaker 11>perhaps she was asleep. Further, I saw a car in

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<v Speaker 11>the garage, so I tried a cat burglar approach, going

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<v Speaker 11>through the basement window, but the house was empty.

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<v Speaker 3>Raider waited and waited. What he didn't know at the

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<v Speaker 3>time was that this was actually the home of sixty

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<v Speaker 3>three year old Anna Williams. The young woman named Rebecca

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<v Speaker 3>that he'd seen was her granddaughter. Williams was out square

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<v Speaker 3>dancing on this night and wouldn't be home for quite

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<v Speaker 3>a while. Raider busied himself by rumging through her drawers

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<v Speaker 3>and stealing various articles of clothing. He claims he scribbled

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<v Speaker 3>something on her bathroom mirror and lipstick, something to the

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<v Speaker 3>effect of bt K was here, though this was never

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<v Speaker 3>confirmed or included in the police report. He laid out

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<v Speaker 3>all of his instruments of murder on the bed to prepare,

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<v Speaker 3>and then he ran out of time. He had to

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<v Speaker 3>get home before his wife became suspicious, so he packed

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<v Speaker 3>up and left a failed attempt. Anna Williams returned home

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<v Speaker 3>just after eleven pm to discover that someone had cut

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<v Speaker 3>her phone line, stolen some jewelry and clothing, and broken

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<v Speaker 3>a window. She called the police, who determined it was

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<v Speaker 3>just a regular burglary, but weeks later, in June, she

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<v Speaker 3>got a strange package in the mail. It included a

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<v Speaker 3>crude drawing of a hogtied woman naked on a bed.

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<v Speaker 3>The package also contained some of the stolen items from

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<v Speaker 3>around her home, and scariest of all, it came with

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<v Speaker 3>a handwritten letter.

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<v Speaker 11>Twas a perfect plan of deviant pleasure, so bold on

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<v Speaker 11>that spring night, my inner felling hot with propension of

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<v Speaker 11>the new awakening season, warm, wet with interfere and rapture,

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<v Speaker 11>my pleasure of entanglement like new vines at night, Oh Anna,

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<v Speaker 11>why didn't you appear alone? Now? In another time span,

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<v Speaker 11>I lay with sweetened rapture garments across most private thought,

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<v Speaker 11>bed of spring, moist grass, clean before the sun enslaved

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<v Speaker 11>with control. Alone Again, I trod in past memory of

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<v Speaker 11>mirrors and ponder why for number eight was not?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 11>And why didn't you appear?

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<v Speaker 3>Next time? On Monster BTK.

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<v Speaker 8>He broke into her house, expecting her to be home

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<v Speaker 8>because her car was there, But she had fond with

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<v Speaker 8>this man. She's not home, so he hides in her closet.

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<v Speaker 3>The body was discovered here at fifty third Street North,

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<v Speaker 3>just east of Webb Road.

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<v Speaker 9>Before she died, we had a very very close relationship.

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<v Speaker 7>He killed a woman in his own neighborhood that violated

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<v Speaker 7>his own rules don't kill close to home.

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<v Speaker 9>If he was dead, we knew that we would find

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<v Speaker 9>the trophies sometime, or if he was still alive at

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<v Speaker 9>some point, he's going to come back.

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<v Speaker 10>When you have an offender who starts to communicate, I

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<v Speaker 10>want him to communicate with a person affiliated with the

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<v Speaker 10>investigation I called to supercot.

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<v Speaker 2>Monster BTK is a production of Tenderfoot TV and iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>The show is written by Nomes Griffin, Trevor Young, and

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse Funk. Our host is Susan Peters. Executive producers on

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<v Speaker 2>Behalf of Tenderfoot TV include Donald Albright and Payne Lindsay,

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<v Speaker 2>Nomes Griffin and Jesse Funk and supervising Producerrima ilk Ali.

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<v Speaker 2>Podcasts and Caroline or Agemma at Tenderfoot TV. Auditional research

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<v Speaker 2>by Claude Africa. Original artwork by Kevin Mister. Soul Harp,

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